0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 80      Contents:. Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help. Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help. Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help. Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help. Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questionsF Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firedJ Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firedJ Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firedJ Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firedP Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired firedP Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired firedP Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired0 Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Cell chip - The Register Re: Cell chip - The Register! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job  Great newsletter! ! Re: HP Bored of Directing shuffle  HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired RE: HP's Carly Fiorina fired RE: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired RE: HP's Carly Fiorina fired HPQ up 12% in premarket - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... ( Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250( Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $2505 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 6 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem VMS in medical business  Re: VMS in medical business  RE: VMS in medical business  Wayman's bio Re: Wayman's bio, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 05:35:46 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com 7 Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help B Message-ID: <1107956146.168573.40640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Chris Scheers wrote: > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > & > > We have an AXP 150.  We are trying+ > > to upgrade the disk drives to a Quantum 
 > > VP 32210.  > > $ > > I have tried to restore an image$ > > on the Quantum drive,  but I get! > > a bug check during the verify   > > phase.  I figured disk might$ > > be done in spite of the bugcheck! > > since the writing is complete ! > > when the verify phase begins.  > > # > > But, I cannot boot on the disk. ! > > Also I cannot mount the disk,  > > except via mount/for.  If  > > I use mount, it tells me > > the disk is offline. > > & > > One guess is that I need to update$ > > my firmware to use these drives.$ > > But I am having trouble figuring# > > out if I am at the current rev, & > > since the console and the firmware* > > site seem to use different identifiers* > > for firmware revisions.   The firmware' > > web site has version 2.2 available.  > > ) > > When I do a show config on my system, ) > > it lists AXP firmware version 370 VMS % > > PAL x5.48.  The release notes for % > > version 2.2 on the web site seems ' > > to imply that show config with show ' > > version 370 after the upgrade, so I * > > don't know if I need go to the trouble > > to upgrade the firmware. > > % > > Any ideas or information would be  > > helpful. > E > It may depend on the version of VMS (and Standalone Backup) you are  using. > C > I have had problems with some Quantum drives in this type of box.  SomeD > of the Quantum drives have had defective implementations of TaggedF > Command Queueing (TCQ).  This may need to be disabled for the drive.   How do you disable TCQ?    > F > The particular drive I had trouble with worked with VMS 6.2, but not > with VMS 6.1.  > G > Also, as Steve mentioned, make sure that your cabling and termination   D > are good.  I use two 1742 controllers in my box.  One for externalB > drives and one for internal.  Putting both on one controller was unreliable.  > E > My system is currently in use, so I can't shut it down to check the  SRM   > version, but 370 sounds right. >  > Good luck! >  > -- > G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- & > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > D > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 06:01:36 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com 7 Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help B Message-ID: <1107957696.130660.13570@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: > > :> We have been running OpenVMS on this AXP 150 since we got@ > :> it, so obviously we have the hardware revs to support this. > D >   AFAIK, OpenVMS Alpha was never sold on or for the DECpc 150 AXP,B >   to be pedantic -- the so-called "universal" system was the DEC? >   2000 series platform.  That the systems were so similar did E >   mean that many folks did use the DECpc 150 AXP for OpenVMS Alpha, B >   but I'd have to check the licenses involved to be certain this@ >   was officially permitted.  Again, this may well be pedantic.  > We bought this system with Open VMS and we have PAKs.  I don't7 remember if it came in the door with NT loaded, because = someone on my team set the system up in 1993 or 94.  We don't ; have any NT PAK documents, but I don't know if DEC provided  NT PAKs back then.  > BTW, I do remember reading an interview with Ballmer back then= where he was recommending checking out NT on the Alpha, since ; that was the fastest NT box at the time.  (Not the 150, but  a dual processor box.)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 06:50:38 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 7 Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help C Message-ID: <1107960638.053431.232150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: E > In article <1107892086.287729.233470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,  tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:  >  >   The classic SCSI maxim:  > > >     None of the S's in SCSI are for the word "Standard"  :-) > C >   John Woods is known for another SCSI maxim, but I'll leave that . >   one to the interested reader to find.  :-) >   G Found it. ;-) Very appropriate.  Mac SCSI user here since the Mac Plus.      John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 06:53:47 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com 7 Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help C Message-ID: <1107960827.015746.321370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Chris Scheers wrote: > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > & > > We have an AXP 150.  We are trying+ > > to upgrade the disk drives to a Quantum 
 > > VP 32210.  > > $ > > I have tried to restore an image$ > > on the Quantum drive,  but I get! > > a bug check during the verify   > > phase.  I figured disk might$ > > be done in spite of the bugcheck! > > since the writing is complete ! > > when the verify phase begins.  > > # > > But, I cannot boot on the disk. ! > > Also I cannot mount the disk,  > > except via mount/for.  If  > > I use mount, it tells me > > the disk is offline. > > & > > One guess is that I need to update$ > > my firmware to use these drives.$ > > But I am having trouble figuring# > > out if I am at the current rev, & > > since the console and the firmware* > > site seem to use different identifiers* > > for firmware revisions.   The firmware' > > web site has version 2.2 available.  > > ) > > When I do a show config on my system, ) > > it lists AXP firmware version 370 VMS % > > PAL x5.48.  The release notes for % > > version 2.2 on the web site seems ' > > to imply that show config with show ' > > version 370 after the upgrade, so I * > > don't know if I need go to the trouble > > to upgrade the firmware. > > % > > Any ideas or information would be  > > helpful. > E > It may depend on the version of VMS (and Standalone Backup) you are  using. > C > I have had problems with some Quantum drives in this type of box.  SomeD > of the Quantum drives have had defective implementations of TaggedF > Command Queueing (TCQ).  This may need to be disabled for the drive. > F > The particular drive I had trouble with worked with VMS 6.2, but not > with VMS 6.1.   @ I am running 7.2-1 and using that OS CD for the backup attempts.   > G > Also, as Steve mentioned, make sure that your cabling and termination   D > are good.  I use two 1742 controllers in my box.  One for externalB > drives and one for internal.  Putting both on one controller was unreliable.  > E > My system is currently in use, so I can't shut it down to check the  SRM   > version, but 370 sounds right. >  > Good luck! >  > -- > G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- & > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > D > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 07:52:06 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com 7 Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help B Message-ID: <1107964326.558896.82740@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: E > In article <1107892086.287729.233470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,  tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:  > A > :> I am trying to put about 4 gig in the cabinet (I have ~3 gig A > :> in the cabinet right now, the old 1 gig and the "new" 2 gig. ; > :> That seems to be within the capacity of these systems.  > E >   Capacity isn't necessarily the issue.  Thermal (cooling) capacity B >   (a secondary issue, as inadequate disk cooling won't typicallyB >   cause an immediate failure), and aggregate SCSI bus length and@ >   proper bus termination are typically the central issues in a >   report such as this. >  >   The classic SCSI maxim:  > > >     None of the S's in SCSI are for the word "Standard"  :-) > C >   John Woods is known for another SCSI maxim, but I'll leave that . >   one to the interested reader to find.  :-) > C >   There is most definitely some variation among different vendors A >   and different implementations, and the older you go, the more C >   variation there tends to be.  Newer SCSI is not always entirely @ >   plug-compatible, and older SCSI tends to be rather less than >   fully compatible.  > G >   For those that have not "enjoyed" the "fun" of device configuration = >   and testing, there can be all manner of odd problems, and 
 individualD >   devices can most certainly have unique personalities.  You mightG >   hope that devices are plug-compatible -- I certainly do -- but that F >   compatibility has unfortunately not been my experience.  I've seenF >   out-right errors in a few implementations, and -- even in the mostE >   recent interface-related documents -- there can be ambiguities in F >   the interface implementation, and different engineers involved can6 >   and variously do choose different interpretations. > > > :> We have been running OpenVMS on this AXP 150 since we got@ > :> it, so obviously we have the hardware revs to support this. > D >   AFAIK, OpenVMS Alpha was never sold on or for the DECpc 150 AXP,B >   to be pedantic -- the so-called "universal" system was the DEC? >   2000 series platform.  That the systems were so similar did E >   mean that many folks did use the DECpc 150 AXP for OpenVMS Alpha, B >   but I'd have to check the licenses involved to be certain this@ >   was officially permitted.  Again, this may well be pedantic. > C >   That you have the G.1 SCSI controller revision is necessary but C >   not sufficient, too -- put another way, exactly how is the SCSI @ >   bus configured here?  This is the most critical detail here. > C >   As for related details, the OpenVMS version is also potentially @ >   of some interest here, as there are versions and ECOs aroundD >   that would be required -- older OpenVMS releases tend to be less@ >   adaptable to arbitrary third-party SCSI devices.  V6.2 was aB >   start at this, and (circa) V7.1-2 has additional improvements.C >   As the DEC 2000 was first supported with V1.5-1H1 (circa 1993), @ >   it can most definitely be running an OpenVMS version and can; >   particularly have device drivers that are comparatively @ >   intolerant of arbitrary disk devices and the associated SCSI< >   variations.  Again, newer drivers are (far) better here. > ? > :I wonder if any 2 gig or larger disks will work in this box.  > = >   Only the disks that were sold with the box are officially  >   supported. > G > :> >   Given the age and the configuration restrictions, I would tend  toD > :> >   look at replacing the platform with a newer used system, or withA > :> >   an rx2600 series platform or similar.  These will permit  larger@ > :> >   configurations, and have support for far larger storage options. > :> >9 > :> >   Not the answer you want to hear, I know.  Sorry.  >  > E >   Again, the DEC 2000 series platform SCSI is very sensitive to the B >   correct configuration of the SCSI, and to the devices that areE >   present.  This SCSI is among the most sensitive of Alpha systems, E >   in my experience, and an incorrect or over-long or an unsupported G >   device can lead to exactly what you are seeing here, unfortunately.  > A >   I do wish you well with this effort, of course.  And again, I F >   would be extremely careful on the SCSI bus configuration here, and? >   (as a secondary matter) on the device thermal requirements.    If I issue the command:    INIT DKA100:  TEST   it works but then:   MOUNT DKA100: TEST  / reports that the disk is offline.  Frustrating.   D Feeling the top of the drive, it feels cooler than the RZ26L that isE mounted at the back of the enclosure.  So, I am not sure these drives ( would need extra cooling if they worked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:21:41 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> # Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions + Message-ID: <5PjOd.41040$cl2.9445@fe07.lga>    tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > Should I use /NOALIAS?  6 The BACKUP document I use for reference (Chapter 7 in B OVMS_73_sys_util_ref1.pdf) explicitly says to use /NOALIAS on the  BACKUP/IMAGE command.   G  From p. 7-48 "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying  C /NOALIAS can result in incomplete disk or file restore operations.  E Therefore, Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with  5 /IMAGE when performing image mode backup operations."    So I always use /NOALIAS.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:53:39 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> O Subject: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <E4CdnY6S7p9kvpffRVn-gg@igs.net>   Colin Butcher wrote:+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175   K Now that the financial guy is in charge on an interim basis, as an agent of I change, and has an intimate understanding of what really costs what - are L there any takers that HP will step away from Itanic, and possibly enterprise computing altogether?   J What's the betting line on HP being split into a printer/ink company and aJ separate computer company? I think the odds just got considerably shorter.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:41:30 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>S Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired 2 Message-ID: <KaqOd.7517$_e4.7036@news.cpqcorp.net>  L The key here is "interim".  I would expect that in that capacity he will not makeI major changes in strategy - that is a job for the next CEO.  The question  reallyJ is what the board thinks the strategy should be, and that will lead to who they) finally pick and the direction things go.     . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:E4CdnY6S7p9kvpffRVn-gg@igs.net... > Colin Butcher wrote:- > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175  > J > Now that the financial guy is in charge on an interim basis, as an agent ofK > change, and has an intimate understanding of what really costs what - are C > there any takers that HP will step away from Itanic, and possibly 
 enterprise > computing altogether?  > L > What's the betting line on HP being split into a printer/ink company and aL > separate computer company? I think the odds just got considerably shorter. >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:25:49 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> S Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <TfydnVs0GskZtpffRVn-jQ@igs.net>   FredK wrote:E > The key here is "interim".  I would expect that in that capacity he  > will not make B > major changes in strategy - that is a job for the next CEO.  The > question really E > is what the board thinks the strategy should be, and that will lead 
 > to who they + > finally pick and the direction things go.     G If you've been through as many mergers and corporate shuffles as I have L experienced, and even just observed other organizations as they do the same,I often the interim CEO is the hatchet man - invoking the changes the Board L feels are necessary - not just in personnel but also in strategic direction,L product lines, partnerships, division closures, etc...  Then the newly hiredI CEO steps in with a clear set of instructions from the Board, "Don't F!ck 
 with things".   H In theory the Board are the representatives of the shareholders and haveK final say on major shifts. That many boards are wusses is a given, but this F time HP's board has acted - excatly why will only be revealed in small, snippets over the next few weeks and months.  H Now is an excellent time to make cogent, rational arguement to the Board= about VMS. 'Staying the course' is not a good option for VMS.   F Unfortunately because VMS has zero advertising presence, this enforcedI turmoil is also an excellent time for IBM and Sun and Red Hat to snipe at  VMS customers.   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:44:33 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> S Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <tOCdnd_fP-V1spffRVn-1g@igs.net>   John Smith wrote:  > Colin Butcher wrote:, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175 > D > Now that the financial guy is in charge on an interim basis, as anC > agent of change, and has an intimate understanding of what really G > costs what - are there any takers that HP will step away from Itanic, / > and possibly enterprise computing altogether?  > F > What's the betting line on HP being split into a printer/ink company< > and a separate computer company? I think the odds just got > considerably shorter.     L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=749&e=1&u=/nm/20050209/bs_n m/tech_hp_dcK Peter Sorrentino, chief investment officer of Bartlett & Co. in Cincinnati, / also expressed relief at the management change.     G "This was a move that we had long hoped they would take. We thought the I stock, just from the imaging business, is worth $24 a share, and you were J being impaired as a shareholder because of the other businesses," he said.     --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:06:37 +0100 ! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> Y Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired : Message-ID: <420a345e$0$3521$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>   John Smith wrote: J > Now is an excellent time to make cogent, rational arguement to the Board? > about VMS. 'Staying the course' is not a good option for VMS.   # Now that Perkins _just_ moved in...    S    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:25:43 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> Y Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired + Message-ID: <cuddi8$kek$1@naig.caltech.edu>    FredK wrote:N > The key here is "interim".  I would expect that in that capacity he will not > make> > major changes in strategy - that is a job for the next CEO.   % Fred, Fred, Fred, how soon we forget.   = Capellas was first named an interim CEO. The rest is history.   = Is Wayman the right type to be a hatchet man?  Looks that way  to me.  His bio is here:  5    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/bios/wayman.html   > Although his initial background was technical he seems to have> spent the majority of his career as a high level bean counter.  6 This is clearly the resume of a guy who's likely to be= a lot better at "the slice and dice" than "the vision thing". 4 On the plus side, he did spend a lot of time with HP: classic and his philosophies may have been shaped by that.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:48:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired B Message-ID: <1107974245.cde95d9a10d43ef989939387a34f6dd2@teranews>   John Smith wrote: M > Now that the financial guy is in charge on an interim basis, as an agent of K > change, and has an intimate understanding of what really costs what - are N > there any takers that HP will step away from Itanic, and possibly enterprise > computing altogether?   F The financial guy (remember, that is how Curly got the job too) statedG he would continue to execute existing strategies. So I don't expect the < scheduled strategy to widthdraw from IA64 to be made faster.  E What I could see however is some announcement of one more Alpha speed F up, and one additioanl PARisc speedup after the one coming in order to retain customers.   L > What's the betting line on HP being split into a printer/ink company and aL > separate computer company? I think the odds just got considerably shorter.  D At this point in time, I really do not know. It won't happen with anE interim accountant being in charge.  And until we hear about what the G disagreements were about, we can't really predict what changes might be E coming even during the interim accounant-as-CEO phase. Lets just hope F that HP does find a real CEO instead of just keeping the accountant onC the job, as had been the case with Compaq when they realised nobody  wanted the job.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 10:11:58 -0800  From: simonvarley@hotmail.com 9 Subject: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? B Message-ID: <1107972718.571027.53640@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  C In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not = been able to answer the question of whether two different and F geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and the other does not?    Thanks Simon    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:12:14 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Cell chip - The Register , Message-ID: <vIydnbHri9nItZffRVn-ig@igs.net>  ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/03/cell_analysis_part_two/   9 Perhaps VMS is the ultimate o/s for this operating model.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:46:27 +0000 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>% Subject: Re: Cell chip - The Register 1 Message-ID: <090220051546276857%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   7 In article <vIydnbHri9nItZffRVn-ig@igs.net>, John Smith  <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   A > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/03/cell_analysis_part_two/   < Not for the first time do we find Andrew Orlowski engaged inD entertaining flights of fancy. He's the guy that makes Cringley look good.   , For a more factual description of cell, try 7  http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/cell-1.ars    @ It looks like a Cray turned inside out. *Very* interestingggg...   --  A I thought I would be the last on earth to mung my e-mail address.  fsnospam$elliott$$   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:53:14 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job= Message-ID: <Dp6dnVxbi8zzXJTfRVn-tA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Rob Young wrote:j > In article <s42dnQFWxp0C7ZTfRVn-uw@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >  > K >>>	???  Let's pretend it is "toast" - Opteron had no part in it as Opteron  >>>	is a non-starter.  >>F >>Opteron wasn't anything like a non-starter, Rob:  it was, rather, a I >>sufficiently impressive starter that less than a year after its launch  K >>Intel had to backtrack 180 degrees from its position that 64-bit support  J >>was irrelevant in x86-land and come out with 64-bit Xeons and Pentiums.  >  > E > 	But that wasn't possible.  64-bit Xeon had to be under development " > 	about the time Opteron launched  E Of course it was.  For that matter, Intel had been working on 64-bit  % extensions to x86 since the mid-'90s.   D You seem to be confused about the difference between Intel's public G position and its legendary paranoia:  it was trying to cover its bases  I just in case, but was absolutely unequivocal about denying the existence  0 of any such plans until Opteron forced its hand.  H Since you've simply persisted in repeating your previous drivel in your < next few paragraphs, I won't bother refuting them yet again.   ...   B >>>	But today it is about Montecito.  And as we've already seen - < >>>	Montecito is much stronger in the HPC space than Power5. >>H >>Actually, we haven't seen anything of the kind:  you keep saying that J >>(kind of reminiscent of the Big Lie:  say it enough times, and at least K >>some people will think it's true), but have yet to provide the benchmark   >>data to back it up.  >> >  > ? > 	Well - you pooh-pooh Linpack but it is the Top500 benchmark.   H I haven't pooh-poohed Linpack at all, Rob:  I've just challenged you to G provide something other than hot air regarding Montecito performance -  ) as measured by Linpack, or anything else.    > ) > http://www.top500.org/lists/linpack.php  >  > 	Very long FAQ:  > @ > http://www.netlib.org/utk/people/JackDongarra/faq-linpack.html > @ > 	But sure - while not the greatest benchmark in the world - itA > 	is one and you have to crank some pretty serious calculations	 E > 	to be a member of Top500.  Again, that Montecito is pretty strong:  > 3 > http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/54349  > P > In the first stage the 2,560 Dual-Core Itanium-2 processors (Montecito) are to > achieve 33 Teraflop/s. > E > 	But 6656 to do 69 TFlops - I believe I passed on a wrong CPU count  > 	earlier.   I That's not the relevant point, Rob:  it's that, yet again, you've spewed  - out data without having a clue what it means.   @ I challenged you earlier to provide benchmark results because I D suspected that you were doing precisely what it turns out you were: ' quoting *theoretical* peak performance.   E A benchmark, Rob, is not theoretical:  it *measures* something.  You  H have provided no measurements for Montecito, nor does the Top 500 list, G nor (at least as far as I can tell) does any Linpack compendium.  This  F is hardly surprising, since it seems unlikely that there are any real B Montecito systems available yet to test - let alone test in large  configurations.   I For your information, POWER is capable of precisely the same theoretical  E peak performance, per cycle, that Itanic is:  4 flops per cycle.  In  E case you hadn't noticed, POWER manages to clock somewhat faster than  E Itanic in the same feature size, and has been (and appears likely to  H continue to be) slightly ahead of Itanic in moving to each process step.  C Thus for the criterion you seem so enamored of (peak FLOPS), POWER  F leads, and is likely to continue to lead, Itanic for equal numbers of I processors in a system.  The main difference, as I noted before, is that  C IBM is far less desperate about its product and is not passing out  D systems like party favors the way Intel and its Itanic partners are.   ...   + >>>	Montecito should do quite well at tpmC.  >>G >>Intel's slide today was ambiguous:  it stated that Montecito's TPC-C  H >>scores would be almost twice those of the 1.5 GHz Madison 6M, but was : >>not clear about whether that was per core or per socket. >>H >>Now, per-socket seems ridiculously low, unless the chip is absolutely I >>strangled by its aging FSB.  So let's give it the benefit of the doubt  K >>and say per-core, though I must say that seems just a bit high given the  B >>quoted clock rate (perhaps Foxton will allow it to exceed 2 GHz H >>substantially in TPC-C, or perhaps they're referring to a system that G >>disables a core on each chip and leaves the entire 24 MB of L3 cache  G >>available for use by the remaining core).  That would bring a 4-core  . >>Montecito's TPC-C score to around 263K tpmC. >> >  > < > 	Yes to Foxton cranking.  Your guess is reasonable.  I saw> > 	275 bandied about.  275 is close to 300, certainly a worthy > 	goal ;-). >  > I >>By contrast, *today's* 4-core POWER5 system achieves 194K tpmC running  H >>Oracle and (interpolating from the 8-core Oracle results) 215K - 225K E >>tpmC running DB2.  So POWER5+ would need to perform only about 20%  H >>better than today's POWER5 to match that Montecito score running DB2, D >>and only about 35% better to match it running Oracle (and beat it J >>noticeably when running DB2).  I tend to expect something more like the I >>latter - or perhaps a bit better, since it's not clear that POWER5 has  E >>reached its limits even in its current process and the new process  4 >>offers more attractions than just a normal shrink. >  > : > 	So they are close here.  But Power isn't nearly the HPC > 	chip.  I Until you've got some actual *measurements* to tout, Rob, as I explained  H above POWER is *precisely* the HPC chip that Itanic is at a given clock 1 frequency - and enjoys a clock-rate lead to boot.    >  > J >>Of course, since the current 64-core 1.5 GHz Madison 6M system produces J >>less than 1/3 the tpmC of a 64-core POWER5 system, even nearly doubling I >>Itanic's score (which assumes that the surrounding infrastructure will  G >>handle the load, something I somewhat doubt) would still leave it at  H >>only about 60% of the current POWER5 tpmC score and likely under half I >>the POWER5+ tpmC score:  even a 128-core Montecito system isn't likely  , >>to equal a 64-core POWER5+ system in tpmC. >  > 6 > 	Well there are some reasons why Montecito should do< > 	better in various iterations.  It will take a go round toE > 	get to the newer chipsets/kit.  And I see we are getting circular  = > 	echoing some of the RWT stuff.  But here is Paul's take on ( > 	why it will do much better after FRS:  7 You appear to have missed Paul's eventual bottom line,  H absolute-best-case estimate for a top-of-the-line Montecito and chipset I in an 8-core (4-socket) configuration:  450K - 500K tpmC.  Given that an  H 8-core POWER5 hit 430K tpmC almost 6 months ago and that POWER5+ should I be shipping well before Montecito does, if Paul's guess is anywhere near  F correct I wouldn't say that IBM has much to worry about even in small  systems, let alone large ones.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:55:47 -0500( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>* Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <420a166b$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Well, it just happened:    Carly to move on. 9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050209a.html   2 No indication of where to. Politics? Board? Beach?   Hein.   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1107480118.7047b617e5ddca7a62817d6b8db3f303@teranews...1 > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stm  > I > BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will make a  > bid for MCI. > H > Where will Curly go ?  Are there any companies left that are in such aI > bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, leaving the door:D > opened for the accountant to get another job of scuttling and then > selling the company ?p   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 14:44:47 GMTn( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <36uluvF514qfiU1@individual.net>  2 In article <AHoOd.7499$s44.2571@news.cpqcorp.net>,- 	"FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:C > & > Just in case you haven't seen it yet > ` > http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/hardware/10208131.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA > / > You don't have Carly to kick around any more.n  C Maybe now is the time to start lobbying for another VMS Renaisance.k? HP should be able to change directions now without losing face.e? Hmmmmm.......  Maybe we should also lobby to revive Alpha.  :-)a   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:54:41 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o* Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <V-CdnaxLj42luZffRVn-qA@igs.net>   Hein wrote:  > Well, it just happened:e >P > Carly to move on.d; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050209a.html  > 4 > No indication of where to. Politics? Board? Beach?     Does it really matter?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:38:04 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>1* Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a jobB Message-ID: <1107973597.04d50b4767e4f04fad65185310eb5251@teranews>   Hein wrote:  >  > Well, it just happened:  >  > Carly to move on.E; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050209a.htmlo > 4 > No indication of where to. Politics? Board? Beach?  G I had read some article asome time ago that she was well connected withAE the Republican party. My expectation was that she would have gotten aoF job offer in January which would have given her an goot "out" stragegyG to serve her country. My guess is that because problems started to brewsF earlier than expected, she wasn't able to leave (because it would have1 been an obvious "she's leeaving under pressure").-  H Woudl a person of her stature have accepted anything less than something' like director of homeland of security ?h   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 22:54:48 -0800o' From: "pbaker" <pbaker1001@hotmail.com>a Subject: Great newsletter!C Message-ID: <1107932088.246540.113120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>u  . Check out this great new FREE newsletter site!   http://www.sleeper-stocks.comt  D It provides information on exciting sleeper stock opportunities that( offer the potential to EXPLODE in value!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:13:39 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: HP Bored of Directing shuffle, Message-ID: <6NudnTOKOow0tZffRVn-uQ@igs.net>   John Smith wrote:l >eL http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/sv/20050208/tc_sv/vclegendperkinsto > rejoinhpboarde >e >d& > VC legend Perkins to rejoin HP board >g > Tue Feb 8, 6:46 AM ETc >e >r" > By Therese Poletti, Mercury News >m< > Legendary venture capitalist Thomas Perkins will return to8 > Hewlett-Packard's board, the company announced Monday. >aF > Perkins, who previously served on the HP board after its merger withD > Compaq, replaces former Walt Disney executive Sanford Litvack, who > retired last week. >eA > Perkins, 73, is the co-founder of the pioneering Silicon Valleys8 > venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. > F > The board shuffle follows a recent report in the Wall Street JournalD > that HP directors are considering shifting some operational dutiesD > away from Chief Executive Carly Fiorina. Taking up more day-to-dayG > responsibilities would be three of Fiorina's top lieutenants: VyomeshmE > Joshi, who heads the printer and soon-to-be merged PC business; AnngF > Livermore, head of services and the corporate computer business; andE > Shane Robison, the company's chief strategy and technology officer.M >.F > "We consider much of the Wall Street Journal piece to be speculativeF > in nature," HP spokesman Bob Sherbin said Monday. "Board discussionsE > are private and we won't comment on their nature or their content."t > D > Fiorina recently told reporters attending the World Economic ForumF > (news - web sites) in Davos, Switzerland, that her relationship with > the HP board is excellent. > G > HP's day-to-day operations became an issue in August when the company-> > missed its earnings targets, in part because of a mishandled@ > conversion to new software in its corporate computer business.7 > Fiorina immediately fired three top sales executives.  >eF > Last quarter, HP bounced back with better-than-expected revenues andC > profits in the corporate server business. But the company said it3C > will continue cutting costs and plans layoffs that will lead to a>9 > $200 million charge sometime in the first half of 2005.  >>G > Perkins, an outspoken investor, could possibly shake things up on theIG > HP board. He was on the board of directors at Compaq Computer, and heeF > joined the HP board after the Palo Alto company's $19 billion mergerD > with Compaq was completed in 2002. He retired from the HP board in > January 2004.D >c= > Perkins was traveling and not available for comment Monday.e >sE > Sherbin declined to comment on board discussions, but he noted thats& > the HP board has an age limit of 70. >sE > "The board can waive the age limit and has done so in the past, foreE > among others, Perkins himself," Sherbin said. He added that the age D > requirement is waived for one year, which is the length of a board > member's term. >KF > Perkins joined the Compaq board after Compaq's acquisition of Tandem > Computers in 1997. >mH > "He is such a decisive, brilliant strategist," said Jimmy Treybig, theH > founder of Tandem Computers, who early in his career worked at Kleiner
 > Perkins. >-C > When Treybig founded Tandem in Cupertino in 1974, Kleiner Perkins"G > provided the company's initial funding and Perkins became chairman ofkD > Tandem's board. "He always asked the hard questions. . . . He just. > doesn't sit there and listen," Treybig said. ><C > Perkins is no stranger to HP. Before founding his venture capitalaG > firm, Perkins worked at HP, where he was the first general manager of # > the company's computing business.d >:? > "Here is a guy who has deep, deep technology connections, haslD > previous HP experience in his background, a long history in the PC= > industry, a guy who I think will vigorously review businesslG > decisions," said Harry Blount, a Lehman Brothers analyst who does not C > own any HP stock. "I think it is a very positive move that bringsP > some energy to the board." >d >l > @ > In his past stint on the HP board, Perkins chaired the board's% > subcommittee focused on technology.@ >oD > Perkins, who joined the HP board as of Monday, will be part of theD > slate of directors that the company is presenting to shareholders.D > The slate, which will be sent to shareholders in an upcoming proxyD > statement, will be voted on ahead of HP's annual meeting, which is > set for March 16 in Chicago. >i > ------------ >cB > Interesting to note the exception made to bring this guy back on > board. > 9 > Do I hear the sound of the headsman sharpening his axe?m     Hate to say it.....told ya.i --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:38:46 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>v! Subject: HP's Carly Fiorina firedi= Message-ID: <GnoOd.10613$8B3.1749@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>m  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175h   -- i   Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.s   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 05:46:13 -0800o* From: "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com>% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firedoC Message-ID: <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>n  " "ding dong, the witch is dead...."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:45:24 +0100  From: "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de>u% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firede- Message-ID: <cud45k$8e6$1@swifty.westend.com>p  / Colin Butcher schrub im Jahre 09.02.2005 14:38:T  + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175   9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050209a.html,   -- tG B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de         Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of themk9 Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchnhG Mozilla-Tips: http://mozilla-anleitung.de/ http://www.holgermetzger.de/r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:33:28 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fireds, Message-ID: <G66dnZhYjYmigpffRVn-iw@igs.net>   Mark Round wrote:d$ > "ding dong, the witch is dead...."  K Personally I don't care about that. What I care about is the damage done to   VMS during the 'Reign of Error'.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:54:50 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired 0 Message-ID: <00A3F215.DC02C117@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:# >"ding dong, the witch is dead...."n  2 ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm!    God help us. -- a< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.t -- d, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! y -- iK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:21:57 -0800S From: Z <Z@no.spam> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firede, Message-ID: <7ZpOd.41564$sW4.15398@fe07.lga>   Colin Butcher wrote:+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175   2 Best business move HP has made in the last 24 mos.   JMO.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:07:41 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>m% Subject: RE: HP's Carly Fiorina firedf: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEKGGAAA.dallen@nist.gov>  & Oops - fat fingers - sorry about that!   > -----Original Message-----B > From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG], > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:55 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come' > Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired  >  >nE > In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, . > "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:% > >"ding dong, the witch is dead...."e >r3 > ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm!  >p > God help us. >t  N Sad to say but Robert Palmer is recently deceased and unavailable for the job.P Too bad - imagine what a VMS ad with a bunch of sexy mini-skirted babes gyrating5 to rockin background music might do for VMS sales ;-)n   Dani   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:02:47 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>u% Subject: RE: HP's Carly Fiorina firedg: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDOEKFGAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG], > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:55 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm' > Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired  >  > F > In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, . > "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:% > >"ding dong, the witch is dead...."d > 4 > ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm!  >  > God help us. > -- e> > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > -- t. > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:O >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! h > --  M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:20:39 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina firede, Message-ID: <puCdndlkQvHDpZffRVn-iA@igs.net>   Dan Allen wrote:( > Oops - fat fingers - sorry about that! >r >> -----Original Message-----hC >> From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]r- >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:55 AMi >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >> Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired >> >>F >> In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,/ >> "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:r& >>> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." >>4 >> ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! >> >> God help us.p >> > G > Sad to say but Robert Palmer is recently deceased and unavailable for ? > the job. Too bad - imagine what a VMS ad with a bunch of sexydE > mini-skirted babes gyrating to rockin background music might do fore > VMS sales ;-)t    . The music can be licensed for a commercial....  J Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"@ - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and Linux   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:46:36 GMTe* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fireds2 Message-ID: <M7rOd.7534$Au4.5154@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:puCdndlkQvHDpZffRVn-iA@igs.net... > Dan Allen wrote:* > > Oops - fat fingers - sorry about that! > >c > >> -----Original Message----- E > >> From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]f/ > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:55 AMi > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* > >> Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired > >> > >>H > >> In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,1 > >> "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:0( > >>> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." > >>6 > >> ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! > >> > >> God help us.a > >> > >oI > > Sad to say but Robert Palmer is recently deceased and unavailable foreA > > the job. Too bad - imagine what a VMS ad with a bunch of sexy G > > mini-skirted babes gyrating to rockin background music might do for  > > VMS sales ;-)r >t >t0 > The music can be licensed for a commercial.... > L > Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"B > - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and Linux >o > --   Wrong Bob Palmer   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:57:54 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com><% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fireda, Message-ID: <8rydncYppsKE3JffRVn-hA@igs.net>   FredK wrote:0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:puCdndlkQvHDpZffRVn-iA@igs.net... >> Dan Allen wrote: * >>> Oops - fat fingers - sorry about that! >>>n >>>> -----Original Message-----nE >>>> From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG] / >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:55 AMi >>>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >>>> Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired >>>> >>>>H >>>> In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,1 >>>> "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:-( >>>>> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." >>>>6 >>>> ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! >>>> >>>> God help us.e >>>> >>>nE >>> Sad to say but Robert Palmer is recently deceased and unavailabledE >>> for the job. Too bad - imagine what a VMS ad with a bunch of sexy G >>> mini-skirted babes gyrating to rockin background music might do for  >>> VMS sales ;-)  >> >>1 >> The music can be licensed for a commercial....n >>F >> Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get FooledD >> Again" - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and >> Linux >> >> --6 >9 > Wrong Bob Palmer    G I'm beginning to see why advertising doesn't strike a chord with you -- 8 you're too literal -- which makes for a great developer.   -- OpenVMS - Simply irresistable.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:22:27 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>I% Subject: RE: HP's Carly Fiorina firedp: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEKJGAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]- > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:21 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-' > Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired- >0 >r > Dan Allen wrote:* > > Oops - fat fingers - sorry about that! > >I > >> -----Original Message-----lE > >> From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG] / > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:55 AMe > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* > >> Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired > >> > >>H > >> In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,1 > >> "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes:w( > >>> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." > >>6 > >> ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! > >> > >> God help us.v > >> > >nI > > Sad to say but Robert Palmer is recently deceased and unavailable for A > > the job. Too bad - imagine what a VMS ad with a bunch of sexy G > > mini-skirted babes gyrating to rockin background music might do fort > > VMS sales ;-), >r >r0 > The music can be licensed for a commercial.... >dL > Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"B > - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and Linux  E Been done I think - can't recall what product. I like the imagery theu carnival-barker evokes...    >H > --/ > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.  >s >l >n >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:05:07 -0800c# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>d  Subject: HPQ up 12% in premarket( Message-ID: <opslxn2ta5zgicya@hyrrokkin>   -- eC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:30:30 GMTr6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....> Message-ID: <q_iOd.68235$K72.8342776@twister.southeast.rr.com>  3 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message '; news:6.1.2.0.2.20050207150836.0244bcb0@raptor.psccos.com...g' > At 02:57 PM 2/7/2005, JF Mezei wrote:c >>Dan O'Reilly wrote:w >> >+ >> > ..and what would it have accomplished?e >> > >> > Answer: nothing.n >> >K >> > It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching thehJ >> > game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw on >> > a Super Bowl ad.y    M How may people watch the Superbowl?  60 million?  That commercial would mean  K something to the guy who's dealing with systems that keep crashing and his dL butt is over the flame.  Maybe his Windows servers are having to be patched K daily causing downtime or the servers are under constant attack because of e security breaches.      >>WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. >>I >>It would send a LOUD AND CLEAR message to the world that VMS is back indF >>business under the HP brand and contrary to popular belief, it isn'tG >>dead and its robustness, quality etc is exactly what businesses need r >>today. >sI > Who in "the world" would care????  You don't sell server-class machinesgH > on mass-market TV.  When was the last time you laughed over the Sun orK > IBM mainframe or HPUX or AIX or MPE .... commercial?  I'll repeat: you'ren& > not reaching the people you need to.    F Then sell the concept.  Secure, reliable, scalable, highly available,  robust.e  G Sometimes you need to mark your territory just to let them know you're a there.    I > It works for Dell PC's because people know what a Dell PC is.  It worksSI > for Gateway for the same reason.  But it wouldn't work for VMS because,-K > frankly, nobody who could make a decision would seriously make a decisionc7 > based on the idea that it was in a TV ad.  Puh-lease!v    L We see Mercedes, Infinity, Lexus and Jaguar commercials on TV all the time. J How many people watching can actually afford one, 1% of veiwers?  We know E they're the some of the best cars on the market and we're constantly h	 reminded.   K Look at the IBM commercials, the "Change of Plans" one.  Not only are they rI targeting large corporations, they're impressing those that don't have a tC clue and aren't in the technical field.  They're selling a concept.h  L Look at the De Beers commercials.  Diamonds are forever.  How many diamonds E do we buy a year?  It's rare but boy have they created an impression.a  H At the moment, a large number of CxO's don't know what they're missing. I It's not mentioned enough, not by most of HP (non-VMS folks), not in any  J newspapers, not on TV, not on the radio and not enough in the trade press.  ? There are plenty of newspapers, TV shows and radio shows where aL OpenVMS/Integrity commercials would hit the target market.  The Wall Street J Journal, Rush Limbaugh Show, All Things Considered, Meet the Press, Bulls G and Bears, Your World with Cavuto, O'Reilly's No Spin Zone, Crossfire, iL Hardball, CNBC, etc.  Executives are listening or reading.  Other places to C advertise would be on airport transparancies and airline magazines.e  I Got to: http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=7 and paticipate in the aD forum with your promotional ideas.  There are things we can do as a M community at the grass roots level.  Even Ann Livermore asked for suggestion   on selling VMS.a  * OpenVMS Related Material From Chat Session9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/18/2302980c  K "Q. It seems that HP is quite satified with the installed base of OpenVMS. cD But, are you looking for *NEW* customers, too? If so, what are your B arguments to convince a new customer to stay off from Windows and  Linux/Unix?s  J Ann Livermore (A): What we find today is that it is difficult to convince L new customers to adopt an operating environment that they do not view as an D industry standard. That makes it hard for HP to attract lots of new L customers to OpenVMS. Our greatest sales success comes from those customers M who already have OpenVMS and choose to expand into new application areas. If i9 you have suggestions for us, we would love to hear them!"t     Kenh   OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________a" Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-7376$ OpenVMS.org, http://www.OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:57:42 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>1 Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250r4 Message-ID: <cud8d6$buo$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:e  > > Sent an email to you Chris - I need a configuration request. > Then I can quote  D Thanks for the quote - it seems spamfilters are now having to be so C aggressive that legitimate email struggles to get through when not -D whitelisted. I'm the same - the filters are good, but the volume of = 'maybe spam' is now so great that I miss real mail sometimes.R   Regards, ChrisD   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 11:13:41 -06000- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250-3 Message-ID: <3MAXX9iUUYzT@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  g In article <cud8d6$buo$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:u/ > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:g > ? >> Sent an email to you Chris - I need a configuration request.9 >> Then I can quote, > F > Thanks for the quote - it seems spamfilters are now having to be so E > aggressive that legitimate email struggles to get through when not nF > whitelisted. I'm the same - the filters are good, but the volume of ? > 'maybe spam' is now so great that I miss real mail sometimes.o  A Email is your only choice - we tried to order by mail from Island D based on their web site.  FIVE WEEKS later (after repeated followupsB when no confirmation was received) they rejected our order, sayingC they could not fill it (but giving no details) indicating they will  not deal by mail.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:06:36 -0500s& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMB Message-ID: <1107968744.9ae32dc37747b87f68b8a6b744b94266@teranews>  F FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the SHUTDOWN.COM parameters.   David J Dachtera wrote:n   > Beach Runner wrote: 	 >> [snip]n@ >> Just run the procedure shutdown.com and you have all control. > G > Not quite: SHUTDOWN(.COM) (apparently - haven't researched it myself) H > doesn't pass anything to SYSHUTDWN.COM to indicate the difference he's0 > looking for. See earlier posts in this thread. >    --  B Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NYF       - jilly@stny.rr.com                http://home.stny.rr.com/jillyE       - mark.jilson@hp.com               http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsi;       - http://www.jilsonracing.com      Go Fast, Turn Left C       - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com  Door Handle to Door Handlei   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:16:44 +0000i- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>n> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM, Message-ID: <36uv08F541lonU1@individual.net>   Jilly wrote:  H > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters. >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  >  >  >>Beach Runner wrote:o >>	 >>>[snip] @ >>>Just run the procedure shutdown.com and you have all control. >>G >>Not quite: SHUTDOWN(.COM) (apparently - haven't researched it myself) H >>doesn't pass anything to SYSHUTDWN.COM to indicate the difference he's0 >>looking for. See earlier posts in this thread.  = Hmmm... here's a thought.  This relies on DCL symbol scoping.i  , When SYSHUTDWN.COM gets invoked, if it does:   	$ delete/symbol P1  	. 	. 	$ delete/symbol P8e  ? Thereafter, P1 to P8 will be the ones belonging to the invokingi. procedure, which in this case is SHUTDOWN.COM.  
 Et voila !  	 Roy Omondp Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 11:36:08 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM3 Message-ID: <8uXAaCXVsZJ8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <1107968744.9ae32dc37747b87f68b8a6b744b94266@teranews>, Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:dH > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters.  = I think it should be the _resultant_ parameters (as passed to = OPCCRASH.EXE) after defaulting has been applied.  Reinventingr) the defaulting at each site would be bad.i   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 09:51:40 -0800w' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com>r> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMB Message-ID: <1107971500.298239.69800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Jilly wrote:D > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed theu > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters. >t    B Would moving the opc$unload, opc$reboot and other such define's to1 someplace before doing syshutdown break anything?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:16:02 -0600t( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)? Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ 1 Message-ID: <05020912160236@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>k   Jilly wrote:H > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters.   I like that.   Kilgallen wrote:? > I think it should be the _resultant_ parameters (as passed toe? > OPCCRASH.EXE) after defaulting has been applied.  Reinventing + > the defaulting at each site would be bad.   = Either way.  Not sure why it would be bad - please elaborate?d     What I have done:e  C (1) Modified SYS$SYSTEM$SHUTDOWN.COM - what I was wanting to avoid:,   SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM  ..& $if w then @sys$manager:syshutdwn 'p6' ..  & (2) Modified SYS$MANAGER:SYSHUTDWN.COM   .. $ if (p1 .eqs. "") $ then< $   write sys$output "Plesae modify SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM:! $   write sys$output "<<<from>>>" : $   write sys$output "  $if w then @sys$manager:syshutdwn" $   write sys$output "<<<to>>>"o? $   write sys$output "  $if w then @sys$manager:syshutdwn 'p6'"r $   shuttype = "REBOOT"s, $   if (f$mode() .eqs. "INTERACTIVE") then -F     read /prompt="REBOOT or SHUTDOWN [REBOOT] : " sys$command shuttype $ else $   shuttype = p1a $ endife: $ shuttype = f$extract(0,1,f$edit(shuttype,"TRIM,UPCASE"))1 $ if (shuttype .eqs. "N" .or. shuttype .eqs. "S")o $ then $   shuttype = "SHUTDOWN"T $ else $   shuttype = "REBOOT"g $ endift ..       John "REBOOT" Brandonc VMS Systems Administratore* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:00:41 GMTc1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>t# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A probleme: Message-ID: <slrnd0jgp4.no7.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  5 On 2005-02-09, Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:'Q >> VMS/LMF Charge Information for node PLOTZ                                     r > PLOTZ??  Nice.  L My system naming convention is characters from Animaniacs. Thaddeus Plotz is( the head of Warner Bros. in that series.  @ >> (And should I be pestering the guys on comp.os.vms, instead?)K > Probably.  <shrug>  None of the VAX 4000 line is 20 years old yet.  Soon   > enough, I guess.  4 I cross-posted over there...no replies yet, darn it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:42:39 -0500 % From: Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net>e# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemj; Message-ID: <howard-2D4EE0.07423909022005@news.newsguy.com>   : In article <slrnd0jgp4.no7.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>,3  Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote:   N > My system naming convention is characters from Animaniacs. Thaddeus Plotz is* > the head of Warner Bros. in that series.  H I use the phonetic alphabet.  Started when I got an Alpha.  So I called F it ALPHA.  I've also had/have machines named WHISKEY, FOXTROT, X-RAY, 6 and HOTEL.  My G5 is X-RAY 'cause it replaced WHISKEY.   -- i Nobody knows Particle Man.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 09 Feb 05 12:04:12 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.comu# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemd, Message-ID: <ToKdndkrytznmpffRVn-sw@rcn.net>  ; In article <howard-865658.23282508022005@news.newsguy.com>,W)    Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: ; >In article <slrnd0htcc.k6s.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>,s4 > Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote: >e >> No MOD_UNITS, unfortunately.r >e >Well, that sucks.  5 <splutter>  You took the words right out of my mouth.o   >  >yD >> The VAX-VMS license itself has ACTIVITY=A and UNITS=0. The other  licenses. >> all have ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100 and UNITS=0. >oH >Yikes.  The only one I have with "CONSTANT=100" is a user license with ! >an amazing number of units.  :-)n > I >Find a shop with no VAXen left and offer to take all their VAX licenses eI >off their hands.  It may not be strictly legal, but it works.  Not that o2 >I'd do that, of course.  Anyone got any to spare?  > Good grief.  What a tangled web we wove...our pricing policing4 sucked rocks and people are still wrestling with it. >: >-  >> SHOW LICENSE/CHARGES reports: >> iK >> $ show license/charges                                                  s       9 >>                                                        K >> VMS/LMF Charge Information for node PLOTZ                                        >. >PLOTZ??  Nice.  >cG >I once set up a VAX 4000 m200 (or was it a m300?) at a medical lab in eG >Greenwich, CT and named it LYMPH.  Seemed appropriate.  They liked it.n >.H >The node I just got is still named BUGCHK.  I haven't decided yet what I >to rename it as.  VICTOR is out, as I think I named the model 60 that.  lI >Maybe VICKY?  VICKY the VAX?  No, I don't think I can (sys$)manage that.h  ; Why don't you wait until you get everything you need?  Then & pick the word you used the most often.   <snip>   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:48:52 -0800o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>:# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemg( Message-ID: <opslxnbq1mzgicya@hyrrokkin>  / On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:23:32 GMT, Jay Maynard   & <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote:  D > (For the folks in comp.os.vms, I'm trying to get enough licenses   > installedaI > so I can FTP over the entire hobbyist license PAK set. So far, I've gotoK > VAX-VMS, UCX, UCX-IP-CLIENT, and UCX-IP-RT loaded by hand, but I'd rathert! > not type them ALL in manually.)e > 7 > On 2005-02-08, Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: = >> In article <slrnd0gai4.a1c.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>,h6 >>  Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote:L >>> Nope. Got both set up, as well as UCK-CLIENT and another couple of UCX  	 >>> ones.i: >> Do you have enough units for your machine?  Check using >> $ show license/charges H >> If you don't have enough, and if the licenses have MOD_UNITS, you canK >> MODIFY the licenses using SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE to have enough units forc >> your machine. >b > No MOD_UNITS, unfortunately. >xK > The VAX-VMS license itself has ACTIVITY=A and UNITS=0. The other licensesa- > all have ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100 and UNITS=0.w >o > SHOW LICENSE/CHARGES reports:  >i > $ show license/charges+ > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node PLOTZe2 > This is a VAX 4000-105A, hardware model type 391J > Type: A, Units Required: 60     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited  
 > or Base)6 > Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server); > Type: C, Units Required: 100    (VAX/VMS Concurrent User) 7 > Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) F > Type: E, Units Required: 230    (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8 > Type: F, Units Required: 100    (VAX Layered Products), > Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved): > Type: H, * Not Permitted *      (Alpha Layered Products)4 > Type: I, Units Required: 100    (Layered Products) >wI > How do I show what license it's looking for when a request fails, like:i >h > $ ftp 192.83.120.32 > %TCPIP-E-FTP_NETERR, I/O error on network device: > -SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license >v? > (And should I be pestering the guys on comp.os.vms, instead?)p   what do you see to $ lic list/full ucxc  & here is what I see on a 7.3 on 4000/90  Issuer:                      DEC6 Authorization:               CSA-V-SEP2004-NOV2005-066  Product Name:                UCX  Producer:                    DEC Units:                       0  Version:                     0.0# Release Date:                (none)w( PAK Termination Date:         1-NOV-2005 Availability:                0' Activity:                     000000100o Options: Hardware ID:   Revision Level:              2# Status:                      Activer# Command:                     ENABLEu  Modified by user:            TOM4 Modified on:                 14-SEP-2004 17:09:42.10       0 Units just means unlimited..   At the prompt type   @sys$manager:tcpip$configg  2 hit option 3 and verify the the service is enabled  I BTW, I don't think you need UCX_IP_CLIENT, I don't use it or at least I  P don't  have a current license for it.  < You may have said, but which version of VMS are you running?     -- ,C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:47:31 GMTe' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>e# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemh) Message-ID: <420A2D2C.50B9F67D@yahoo.com>e   Howard Shubs wrote:i5 >  Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote:h > = >> My system naming convention is characters from Animaniacs. = >> Thaddeus Plotz is the head of Warner Bros. in that series.w > B > I use the phonetic alphabet.  Started when I got an Alpha.  So IG > called it ALPHA.  I've also had/have machines named WHISKEY, FOXTROT,h? > X-RAY, and HOTEL.  My G5 is X-RAY 'cause it replaced WHISKEY.   ? For a couple of years I had ETHELRED.  He was the machine I wasa developing, and he was unready.s   -- s@ "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't useA  the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article.  Click on m=  "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the n@  "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:21:20 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o  Subject: VMS in medical businessB Message-ID: <1107932986.d58f0b40ba8fe1b6ffe15453e8ce23a9@teranews>  1 HP had a press rerease about its medical systems.a   > http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=NY&r=S&sym=HPQ&sl=BW-02/08-12:14-1995|PR-02/08-09:50-1440|BW-02/07-11:58-1593|BW-02/07-00:01-5|BW-02/04-13:20-999|&sp=2   (sorry for wrap)  D It basically consists of 2 items: a large imaging records maagementsF system based on 8086 servers, and a forms input package. No mention of VMS, of course.   E To VMS management: you may wish to contact the person who issued this A press release (Mark Strouse) and explain to him that such a presstD release would have been a perfect opportunity for HP to mention thatH these new products complement HP's string presence in hopsitals with VMS based systems.  H Just an extra sentence that would have done a LOT to increase visibility> for VMS and increaser credibility that HP takes VMS seriously.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:36:27 GMTs# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>h$ Subject: Re: VMS in medical business; Message-ID: <vloOd.28711$qB6.14630@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    JF Mezei wrote:k3 > HP had a press rerease about its medical systems.  >  >  >>http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=NY&r=S&sym=HPQ&sl=BW-02/08-12:14-1995|PR-02/08-09:50-1440|BW-02/07-11:58-1593|BW-02/07-00:01-5|BW-02/04-13:20-999|&sp=2 >  >  > (sorry for wrap) > F > It basically consists of 2 items: a large imaging records maagementsH > system based on 8086 servers, and a forms input package. No mention of > VMS, of course.f > G > To VMS management: you may wish to contact the person who issued thissC > press release (Mark Strouse) and explain to him that such a pressHF > release would have been a perfect opportunity for HP to mention thatJ > these new products complement HP's string presence in hopsitals with VMS > based systems. > J > Just an extra sentence that would have done a LOT to increase visibility@ > for VMS and increaser credibility that HP takes VMS seriously.  E There are tons of hospitals using Cerner under VMS.  Also, there are  . many hospital systems using other VMS systems.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:19:48 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>o$ Subject: RE: VMS in medical businessR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F20A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Beach Runner [mailto:bob@nospam.com]=20e  > Sent: February 9, 2005 8:36 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd& > Subject: Re: VMS in medical business >=20 >=20 >=20 > JF Mezei wrote:p5 > > HP had a press rerease about its medical systems.s > >=20 > >=20H > >>http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=3DNY&r=3DS&sym=3DHPQ&sl=3DBW-@ > 02/08-12:14-1995|PR-02/08-09:50-1440|BW-02/07-11:58-1593|BW-02( > /07-00:01-5|BW-02/04-13:20-999|&sp=3D2 > >=20 > >=20 > > (sorry for wrap) > >=20H > > It basically consists of 2 items: a large imaging records maagementsB > > system based on 8086 servers, and a forms input package. No=20 > mention of > > VMS, of course.- > >=20@ > > To VMS management: you may wish to contact the person who=20
 > issued thisAE > > press release (Mark Strouse) and explain to him that such a pressDH > > release would have been a perfect opportunity for HP to mention that< > > these new products complement HP's string presence in=20 > hopsitals with VMS > > based systems. > >=20; > > Just an extra sentence that would have done a LOT to=20s > increase visibility B > > for VMS and increaser credibility that HP takes VMS seriously. >=20I > There are tons of hospitals using Cerner under VMS.  Also, there are=20o0 > many hospital systems using other VMS systems. >=20  = Ayup .. Check out the following for some sample testimonials:-. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html   Regards0  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax: 613-591-44775 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:02:14 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Wayman's biow, Message-ID: <ApGdnTaku6WQqZffRVn-iQ@igs.net>    Robert P. Waymanh3 Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer/ Hewlett-Packard Company   L Robert P. Wayman was named chief executive officer on an interim basis of HPL in February 2005. In this role, he will continue to serve as chief financialD officer for HP, responsible for overall financial activities and forD multiple corporate departments at the company, including Controller,% Treasury, Tax, Legal and Real Estate.M  D On Feb. 8, 2005, Wayman was appointed to HP's board of directors. HeH previously served as a member of the board from 1993 to 2002. He steppedE down upon completion of HP's merger with Compaq Computer Corporation.S  F Wayman was named an executive vice president of HP in 1992 and assumedI additional responsibility for administration that same year. He was namedtJ senior vice president in 1987. Wayman was elected vice president and chiefI financial officer in 1984 after being named controller in 1984 and deputyi corporate controller in 1981.i  L In 1976, Wayman was named group controller for HP's former Instrument Group,F based in Palo Alto, Calif. He became division controller in 1973 afterL serving in several accounting management positions. Wayman joined HP in 1969A at its Loveland, Colo., Instrument Division as a cost accountant.,  F In 1967, Wayman earned a bachelor's degree in science engineering fromJ Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill. He received a master's degree in2 business administration from Northwestern in 1969.  G Wayman serves as a director of CNF, Inc., and Sybase, Inc. He also is a-7 director of the Cultural Initiatives of Silicon Valley.1  H He is a member of the Policy Council of the Tax Foundation, the AdvisoryF Board to the Northwestern University Kellogg School of Management, theI Financial Executives Institute and the Council of Financial Executives ofr the Conference Board.e     --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:58:13 -0500H2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Wayman's bio00 Message-ID: <DPidnS0vAvQJ3JffRVn-2w@comcast.com>   John Smith wrote:: >  Robert P. Waymanw5 > Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer  > Hewlett-Packard Company  > N > Robert P. Wayman was named chief executive officer on an interim basis of HPN > in February 2005. In this role, he will continue to serve as chief financialF > officer for HP, responsible for overall financial activities and forF > multiple corporate departments at the company, including Controller,' > Treasury, Tax, Legal and Real Estate.t > F > On Feb. 8, 2005, Wayman was appointed to HP's board of directors. HeJ > previously served as a member of the board from 1993 to 2002. He steppedG > down upon completion of HP's merger with Compaq Computer Corporation., > H > Wayman was named an executive vice president of HP in 1992 and assumedK > additional responsibility for administration that same year. He was namedcL > senior vice president in 1987. Wayman was elected vice president and chiefK > financial officer in 1984 after being named controller in 1984 and deputym > corporate controller in 1981.  > N > In 1976, Wayman was named group controller for HP's former Instrument Group,H > based in Palo Alto, Calif. He became division controller in 1973 afterN > serving in several accounting management positions. Wayman joined HP in 1969C > at its Loveland, Colo., Instrument Division as a cost accountant.f > H > In 1967, Wayman earned a bachelor's degree in science engineering fromL > Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill. He received a master's degree in4 > business administration from Northwestern in 1969. > I > Wayman serves as a director of CNF, Inc., and Sybase, Inc. He also is a-9 > director of the Cultural Initiatives of Silicon Valley.a > J > He is a member of the Policy Council of the Tax Foundation, the AdvisoryH > Board to the Northwestern University Kellogg School of Management, theK > Financial Executives Institute and the Council of Financial Executives of7 > the Conference Board.w >  >  > --/ > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.r >  >   : Sounds like Curly, Part II -- another CFO promoted to CEO. -- o Cheers, Bobs   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 22:50:24 -0800 ( From: "Nessie" <i_jones1960@yahoo.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this? 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