0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 82      Contents:0 Customizing file selection dialogue (DECwindows)( DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg, Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg, Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? RE: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? RE: grep on openVMS? Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired- Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - RE: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... , OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar0 Re: OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar Printing problem!  SEARCH on a collection of files # Re: SEARCH on a collection of files # Re: SEARCH on a collection of files # Re: SEARCH on a collection of files ( Re: So how big a parachute did she have?( RE: So how big a parachute did she have?( Re: So how big a parachute did she have?( RE: So how big a parachute did she have?( RE: So how big a parachute did she have?( RE: So how big a parachute did she have?  Re: SSH Problem with TCPIP V5.4?  Re: SSH Problem with TCPIP V5.4?' Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS! + Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!  Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem+ VICTORY !!! Carly fired, new hope for VMS ? / Re: VICTORY !!! Carly fired, new hope for VMS ? / Re: VICTORY !!! Carly fired, new hope for VMS ? , Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:38:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Customizing file selection dialogue (DECwindows) B Message-ID: <1108027600.a6ed494a21c70f66f7b56dae4c84c409@teranews>  H The file selection dialogue contains 2 scrolled selection boxes. One for4 directories, and one for files within one directory.  F By default, I am finding that the size and relative sizing/resizing ofG these is wrong (for instance, not enough space for filenames). And if I G grow the window, it is the directory selection box that widens, not the  file selection one.   G I assume all this is inside a form, and all I'd have to do is to attach H the file selection box to the right side of the dialogue, so that if youF grow the dialogue, it is that box which grows. (and make the directory more fixed in width).   G Are there tools to take apart the file selection widget so one can know F the names of each subwidget inside and thus be able to give those some& resources to change their appearance ?  H (and this would apply generally, it would be helpful to be able to breakA apart a complex widget into its multiple parts to get names etc).    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2005 07:08:59 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>1 Subject: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EoHUH8vDJYHP@dave2_os2.home.ours>    Guy >         following on from the discussions about how /ig=space B does/should work, could we have a /ig=white_space qualifier? Why? C Well, it would avoid the problems/confusion we discussed last time  ( (how tabs are handled) but also consider   	call a_routine (a,b,c)  versus 	call a_routine(a.b,c)  F The only difference is the leading space before the '('. Its personal A preference and coding style but when I put the space in and diff  F against the original to ensure I've not broken anything, particularly F if a learn-sequence is involved, there's a lot of visual checking that needs doing.  F The white-space qualifier would remove all spaces, tabs (nulls?), etc  before comparing the lines.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:44:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg B Message-ID: <1108020767.e19076557a755e1e9523097a3e555f7f@teranews>   Dave Weatherall wrote:  >         call a_routine (a,b,c) > versus >         call a_routine(a.b,c)  > ; > The only difference is the leading space before the '('.    L Actually there is also the punctuation between the "a" and "b" arguments :-)  > Personally, I find DIFF to be of use only when the 2 files areH identical. Otherwise, I find myself not really understanding the output.A Perhaps because I don't use it often enough. If the files are not : identical, I tend to simply edit both of them and compare.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:43:14 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>5 Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg , Message-ID: <420b1eb2$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  = "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EoHUH8vDJYHP@dave2_os2.home.ours...  > Guy ? >         following on from the discussions about how /ig=space C > does/should work, could we have a /ig=white_space qualifier? Why? D > Well, it would avoid the problems/confusion we discussed last time* > (how tabs are handled) but also consider >  > call a_routine (a,b,c) > versus > call a_routine(a.b,c)  > G > The only difference is the leading space before the '('. Its personal B > preference and coding style but when I put the space in and diffG > against the original to ensure I've not broken anything, particularly H > if a learn-sequence is involved, there's a lot of visual checking that > needs doing. > G > The white-space qualifier would remove all spaces, tabs (nulls?), etc  > before comparing the lines.  >  > --   > Cheers - Dave W.   Requested noted !   * Will be considered for next version (V8.3)   Guy    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2005 07:09:01 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-nE2kY3ZRkRvZ@dave2_os2.home.ours>   6 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:02:24 UTC, Z <Z@no.spam> wrote:   > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > $ SEARCH1 > > OpenVMS uses English ... unix uses words that + > > first graders don't even understand ...  > H > *nix grep understands regular expressions, making it much more useful I > than $SEARCH. I usually end up in Perl on VMS to get access to regular   > expressions.  F If that's the way your brain works or is required by the task in hand.F i.e. the right tool for the job and that means I accept that it can be grep.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 02:49:48 -0800 From: "Slo" <slovuj@gmail.com> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? B Message-ID: <1108032588.714628.96230@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  & I have this in my environment defined:   $ show symbol grep   GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT"  2 that I use when a unix user is sitting next to me.   Example:  ) $ pip show system | grep tcpip | grep hib   A 00000216 TCPIP$INETACP   HIB   9     1152   0 00:00:00.14 306 231 D 0000021D TCPIP$NFS_1     HIB  10      169   0 00:00:00.06 652 186  NA 00000220 TCPIP$PWIP_ACP  HIB  10      249   0 00:00:00.03 248 187    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:28:26 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? B Message-ID: <1108034180.cd99af65292944e9e6bab5d784b42e8a@teranews>  
 Slo wrote:  + > $ pip show system | grep tcpip | grep hib  > C > 00000216 TCPIP$INETACP   HIB   9     1152   0 00:00:00.14 306 231 F > 0000021D TCPIP$NFS_1     HIB  10      169   0 00:00:00.06 652 186  NC > 00000220 TCPIP$PWIP_ACP  HIB  10      249   0 00:00:00.03 248 187    BTW, you can do this as:  " $show system/proc=TCPIP*/state=HIB   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:28:05 GMT + From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? > Message-ID: <FjJOd.155241$K7.61630@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  G "Z" <Z@no.spam> wrote in message news:BlzOd.42762$365.21827@fe07.lga...  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > ?  > > $ SEARCH1 > > OpenVMS uses English ... unix uses words that + > > first graders don't even understand ...  > 6 > *NIX grep understands regular expressions, making it4 > much more useful than $SEARCH. I usually end up in3 > Perl on VMS to get access to regular expressions.  >    All,  F As to the OP's query, I suspect he only wanted to know the name of theK OpenVMS 'file content search facility', thus I would be inclined to believe D that responding with SEARCH is the most appropriate answer for these reasons:  = * It is, after all, the native OpenVMS equivalent of the *NIX 4    'grep' command [minus regular expression support]  ? * It is in the spirit of encouraging the use of native commands 8    and idioms, something, I would think, the majority of(    forum members would want to encourage  J As for regular expression-based matching, I think the consensus is that itL is a powerful facility. So much so in fact, that it is one of those conceptsK [like command piping and I/O redirection] which have transcended their *NIX 1 origins, and have become very widely adopted [1].   L Now, rather than being critical of *NIX naming conventions, or forcing usersH who may wish to benefit from regular expressions into using Perl [surelyJ overkill for smaller, simpler tasks ?], or third-party utility suites likeL GNV [not guaranteed to be installed on all systems], it might pay to harnessF that power and integrate it into OpenVMS in as transparent a manner asE possible, much the same way as command piping and I/O redirection was 3 integrated with implementation of the PIPE command.    The question then becomes:  =     How can the power of regular expressions be combined with 8     the ease-of-use of a native command like SEARCH, and6     perhaps be made more widely and easily available ?  " A possible implementation outline:  # * Introduce a new SEARCH qualifier:   2        SEARCH /REGEX filespec "regular expression"  9    which simply interprets the search string as a regular 0    expression; command behaviour would otherwise7    remain the same [though issues like how to reconcile 0    it's use with /MATCH will need 'ironing out']  7 * Implement regular expression code as LIB$ routine(s), ,    say LIB$REGEX and LIB$REGEX_END, that are(    modelled on the LIB$FIND_FILE and the    LIB$FIND_FILE_END routines   2 * Implement new lexical function(s), say, F$REGEX,2    and F$REGEX_END that use the new LIB$ routines,7    thus supplying regular expression support at the DCL     level  J The benefit of a new SEARCH qualifier is that it allows the user to chooseJ whether regular expressions will be, or not be, used. And, whether used orK not, the command would behave exactly as it does now in terms of the output 1 produced, so maintaining backwards compatibility.   I And, of course, the benefit of implementing regular expression support at L the LIB$ level is that of high performance and standardisation: it becomes a& core OpenVMS feature, not a 'tack on'.   Anyway, food for thought :) !    Cheers,   
 Anthony Borla   L [1] By widely adopted I don't just mean that *NIX utilities have been widelyL ported, but that other operating systems have incorporated these concepts as* native facilities or standardised add-ons:  7 - MS DOS, and the Windows-family systems that followed, 3    natively implemented *NIX command piping and I/O B    redirection, and utilities, like 'findstr' [similar to SEARCH],    support regular expressions  9 - IBM mainframes use the 'PIPELINES' system, conceptually     based on *NIX command piping   5 - OpenVMS, itself, implements the PIPE command, which 5    implements *NIX command piping and I/O redirection     at the DCL level   G And, despite criticisms of adverse performance, several major operating D systems support POSIX subsystems, once again, reflecting the power /H importance of *NIX [I certainly haven't heard of VMS or MVS subsystems - have you ?]    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 07:29:13 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? 3 Message-ID: <z94i1yQXTvU1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274FA17@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:@ > Does OpenVMS have anything similar to the grep option on *nix?  E    Most of us search files with SEARCH, which is probably what you're     looking for.   F    But if you want regular expressions, go to a gnu site and get theirF    grep:  it runs on VMS and it's better than the grep that ships with
    most UNIX.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 07:30:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? 3 Message-ID: <oqkGat2JMlzH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <LawOd.154180$K7.53584@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> writes:9 > "Michael Clark" <MClark@Nemschoff.com> wrote in message M > news:A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274FA17@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com...  >>1 >> Does OpenVMS have anything similar to the grep  >> option on *nix? >> > N > I'd say any operating system that *didn't* offer similar functionality would > be pretty deficient.  H    Windows comes to mind.  I think they fixed that eventually, but I use    Cygwin so I don't care.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 05:43:24 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? C Message-ID: <1108043004.511487.274490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dave Weatherall wrote:8 > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:02:24 UTC, Z <Z@no.spam> wrote: >  > > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > > $ SEARCH3 > > > OpenVMS uses English ... unix uses words that - > > > first graders don't even understand ...  > > B > > *nix grep understands regular expressions, making it much more usefulB > > than $SEARCH. I usually end up in Perl on VMS to get access to regular  > > expressions. > B > If that's the way your brain works or is required by the task in hand. E > i.e. the right tool for the job and that means I accept that it can  be > grep.  >  > -- > Cheers - Dave W.  ? for first time users it is not the way your brain works!  I can D sit a new user or programmer down at vms and with little instruction= and the help facilities he is productive the first day ... in 6 unix land it is the opposite and is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE!   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 05:47:31 -0800 From: "Slo" <slovuj@gmail.com> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? C Message-ID: <1108043251.634074.250880@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   @ Indeed. There is also a striking similarity (for this particular1 command, of course) -- two pipes vs two switches:    | grep tcpip | grep hib    /pr=tcp* /st=h*   7 So, in a sense, DCL already implements specific "greps"  in many commands:   " DIR/SINCE, DIR/SIZE, TYPE/BY_OWNER  : But unlike a unix grep that scans the output, DCL switches9 work on a particular attribute/object. It's more precise, + when you need it. Thus, a SHOW SYSTEM line:   5 00000226 TCPIP$HIBOB LEF 10 123 0 00:00:00.23 148 667   : would be wrongly displayed by a grep approach, but ignored with /STATE=HIB.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:14:54 -0600 * From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> Subject: RE: grep on openVMS? Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274FA1A@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   # > "Z" <Z@no.spam> wrote in message  ( > news:BlzOd.42762$365.21827@fe07.lga... > > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > ?  > > > $ SEARCH3 > > > OpenVMS uses English ... unix uses words that - > > > first graders don't even understand ...  > > 8 > > *NIX grep understands regular expressions, making it6 > > much more useful than $SEARCH. I usually end up in5 > > Perl on VMS to get access to regular expressions.  > >  >  > All, > H > As to the OP's query, I suspect he only wanted to know the name of the: > OpenVMS 'file content search facility', thus I would be  > inclined to believe F > that responding with SEARCH is the most appropriate answer for these
 > reasons:  D Thank you Anthony =)  I am reading the help for this command and it A seems to me that I can only use this if the information I want is 1 contained in a file unless sys$input is declared?   @ I made a grep symbol as someone else suggested so Ill have less  problems remembering  ! ALPHA1::[MICCLA]>show symbol grep    GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT"  @ show device dkb1/files/nosys | grep 00004c6c did nothing for me.   So I ended up doing     ' show device dkb1/files/nosys/out=ps.pid    So, what am I doing wrong? =(      >     A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:29:49 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <wOLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? 6 Message-ID: <420b9a0d$0$20656$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   Try   < $ pipe show devi dkb1:/files /nosys | search sys$pipe myfile   > # > ALPHA1::[MICCLA]>show symbol grep  >   GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT" > B > show device dkb1/files/nosys | grep 00004c6c did nothing for me. >  > So I ended up doing    > ) > show device dkb1/files/nosys/out=ps.pid  >  > So, what am I doing wrong? =(  >      --  
 Wilm Boerhout  Zwolle, The Netherlands    wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl2    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:53:22 -0600 * From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> Subject: RE: grep on openVMS? Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274FA1C@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>    > -----Original Message-----; > From: Wilm Boerhout [mailto:wOLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl] , > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:30 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: grep on openVMS?  >  >  > Try  > > > $ pipe show devi dkb1:/files /nosys | search sys$pipe myfile   Great!  Thank you!   >  > > % > > ALPHA1::[MICCLA]>show symbol grep   > >   GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT" > > D > > show device dkb1/files/nosys | grep 00004c6c did nothing for me. > >  > > So I ended up doing    > > + > > show device dkb1/files/nosys/out=ps.pid  > > ! > > So, what am I doing wrong? =(  > >  >  >  > --   > Wilm Boerhout  > Zwolle, The Netherlands  >  > wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl4 >    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use) >     A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:46:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired B Message-ID: <1108020878.a794ceec95951d6a0d1ae9fd998c8609@teranews>  E I found another article on openvms.org where it was stated that Curly : was in fact a frontrunner as replacement for Carly. Yikes.  E You got to give it to Curly though, from a career point of view, he's  done well for an accountant.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:06:20 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired ' Message-ID: <420B240C.99BBF7AE@aaa.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > " > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:t > > In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Mark  Round" <mark.round@gmail.com> writes: > > & > >>"ding dong, the witch is dead...." > >  > > 5 > > ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm!  > >  > > God help us. > + > Even He wouldn't be enough help for that!      Or She, or It, or whatever...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 08:40:55 -0800 From: greigaln@netscape.net % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired C Message-ID: <1108053655.884093.227060@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Colin Butcher wrote:+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175  >   G According to today's "Times" (UK) she gets a $21 million dollar payoff. D Amazing... Two page article in Thursday edition. Should be available online at www.thetimes.co.uk   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:27:12 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <371ioqF56d43mU1@individual.net>  , On 2005-02-10 11:00, "Didier MORANDI" wrote:   > Colin Butcher wrote: > , >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175 > 8 > May I suggest Terry Shannon for President & CEO, [...]                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^   7 He seems to be rather biased with respect to Itanic ...    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:01:38 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <3714duF578d3uU1@individual.net>   Rob Young wrote:  @ > In article <q_iOd.68235$K72.8342776@twister.southeast.rr.com>,;  > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes:  > 3 >>How may people watch the Superbowl?  60 million?   > 0 > http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info > O > Super Bowl XXXVIII TV audience: Last year's game was the most watched program Q > ever with 144.4 million viewers. The 10 most-watched programs in TV history are  > all Super Bowls.  E I simply don't believe that "10 most-watched programs in TV history".   A Don't have the figures to hand, but I'd bet many, many, many more ? watch(ed) the World Cup Final (Football), and possibly even the  European Championship Final.  < Or is this yet another case of you meaning the USofA instead( of the world ?  Wouldn't surprise me ...  
 *Sigh* ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:17:23 +0100 , From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....- Message-ID: <cufmt3$2odg$1@news.cybercity.dk>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:CH8GALwRFmBF@eisner.encompasserve.org... I > In article <q_iOd.68235$K72.8342776@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth / Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes:  >  > > 4 > > How may people watch the Superbowl?  60 million? > 0 > http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info > G > Super Bowl XXXVIII TV audience: Last year's game was the most watched  program E > ever with 144.4 million viewers. The 10 most-watched programs in TV  history are  > all Super Bowls.   USA != World  6 I wonder how many viewers outside the US it attracts ?  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:02 +0100 , From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....- Message-ID: <cufn5s$2onq$1@news.cybercity.dk>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1107900943.d73d7070edfa26766a6b7f571026c780@teranews... > DeanW wrote:E > > Then, I have to ask: If that media doesn't work, why do IBM et al  > > continue to use it?  > H > In the book from Gerstner (Whow says elephants can't dance?), he makesH > it quite clear that the TV advertising was key to IBM's revival in theF > 1993-1994 timeframe, and again key to get IBM back into a leadershipH > position with its "e-business" keyword later in the 1990s.  (The first, > campaign had the keyword" Global" in it.).  I Actually I really liked the ad where the MBA kid with his feet up reading H (IIRC) the WSJ says to his boss something to the effect that the companyL needed/had to be on the internet.  The boss looks puzzled and says "Why".  I. was the e-business solutions campaign I think.  L I thought it highly effective because it was the one question non-one seemed@ to be asking during the rise of the internet as a business tool.  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:35:07 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....2 Message-ID: <cufnuc$mfd$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  a "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message news:3714duF578d3uU1@individual.net...   G > I simply don't believe that "10 most-watched programs in TV history".  > C > Don't have the figures to hand, but I'd bet many, many, many more A > watch(ed) the World Cup Final (Football), and possibly even the  > European Championship Final.  E Yes, the last World Cup averaged over 300 million, and got 1 billion+ @ viewers for the final, according to FIFA. On different channels,8 of course, so it depends how you define program I guess.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:53:47 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <3717fnF58dv2gU1@individual.net>   Richard Brodie wrote:   < > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message)  > news:3714duF578d3uU1@individual.net...  > G >>I simply don't believe that "10 most-watched programs in TV history".  >>C >>Don't have the figures to hand, but I'd bet many, many, many more A >>watch(ed) the World Cup Final (Football), and possibly even the  >>European Championship Final. > G > Yes, the last World Cup averaged over 300 million, and got 1 billion+ B > viewers for the final, according to FIFA. On different channels,: > of course, so it depends how you define program I guess.  7 Apologies for the followup to a followup to my message.   8 Thanks Richard.  It really, really makes me want to puke5 when I see something so USofA-centric as the original 6 claim re the "10 most-watched programs in TV history".  8 Constantly reminds me of one those (probably urban myth)5 statistics about how 75% of respondents in a USofA'an : survey were of the opinion that more than half the world's population live in the USofA.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:12:20 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....> Message-ID: <oRKOd.68582$K72.8912486@twister.southeast.rr.com>  6 "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message , news:cufnuc$mfd$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk... > = > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message  ( > news:3714duF578d3uU1@individual.net... > H >> I simply don't believe that "10 most-watched programs in TV history". >>D >> Don't have the figures to hand, but I'd bet many, many, many moreB >> watch(ed) the World Cup Final (Football), and possibly even the >> European Championship Final.  > G > Yes, the last World Cup averaged over 300 million, and got 1 billion+ B > viewers for the final, according to FIFA. On different channels,: > of course, so it depends how you define program I guess.    M OK, so the World Cup would be another great opportunity to get the word out.  K Once again, targeting the people that need a solution, are in deep trouble  I with their current solution, etc.  Plus you'd be getting the word out to  6 millions that VMS is still around, kicking and strong.   Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:45:33 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 6 Subject: RE: Is $3 million really so much to spend....R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F260@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com]=20 ! > Sent: February 10, 2005 8:54 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 > Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... >=20 > Richard Brodie wrote:  >=20> > > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message+ >  > news:3714duF578d3uU1@individual.net...  > > B > >>I simply don't believe that "10 most-watched programs in TV=20 > history".  > >>E > >>Don't have the figures to hand, but I'd bet many, many, many more C > >>watch(ed) the World Cup Final (Football), and possibly even the   > >>European Championship Final. > > A > > Yes, the last World Cup averaged over 300 million, and got=20  > 1 billion+D > > viewers for the final, according to FIFA. On different channels,< > > of course, so it depends how you define program I guess. >=209 > Apologies for the followup to a followup to my message.  >=20: > Thanks Richard.  It really, really makes me want to puke7 > when I see something so USofA-centric as the original 8 > claim re the "10 most-watched programs in TV history". >=20: > Constantly reminds me of one those (probably urban myth)7 > statistics about how 75% of respondents in a USofA'an < > survey were of the opinion that more than half the world's > population live in the USofA.  >=20  F Fwiw, this kind of reminds of when the Toronto Blue Jays were about toH go into the World Series and one of the commentators said "Hey - this is@ the first international World Series .. Isn't that interesting!"  @ I rather suspect that the humour of that was lost on the viewers residing in the USA ..   :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:28:49 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>5 Subject: OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar B Message-ID: <420b5381$0$18550$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>  E For those who don't check the OpenVMS "What's New " Page every day...   ( http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.html7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/training/82seminar/index.html   % *OpenVMS V8.2 Communications Seminar*   F This is a multi-module seminar consisting of presentations by various F OpenVMS business and engineering personnel. The presentations discuss 8 V8.2 new features and changes along several disciplines.    The modules in this seminar are:   	          _Module Title_ 7 Module 1 	 Introduction and the Operating Environments  Module 2 	 Trade-in Programs # Module 3 	 Documentation Offerings ' Module 4 	 Pre-Sales Technical Support  Module 5 	 Marketing Strategy% Module 6 	 OpenVMS V8.2 New Features $ Module 7 	 License Management (LMF)< Module 8 	 OpenVMS V8.2 Hardware and Cluster Configurations= Module 9 	 Wrap-up and Rollout of the operating environments '                    and layered products   1 The presentations were taped in the Fall of 2004.    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:07:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar 0 Message-ID: <00A3F2E9.1FCCDF94@SendSpamHere.ORG>  u In article <420b5381$0$18550$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>, Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes:uF >For those who don't check the OpenVMS "What's New " Page every day... >E) >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.htmlI8 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/training/82seminar/index.html >o& >*OpenVMS V8.2 Communications Seminar* >oG >This is a multi-module seminar consisting of presentations by various MG >OpenVMS business and engineering personnel. The presentations discuss  9 >V8.2 new features and changes along several disciplines.r >F! >The modules in this seminar are:a >r >	          _Module Title_8 >Module 1 	 Introduction and the Operating Environments >Module 2 	 Trade-in Programs$ >Module 3 	 Documentation Offerings( >Module 4 	 Pre-Sales Technical Support >Module 5 	 Marketing Strategys& >Module 6 	 OpenVMS V8.2 New Features% >Module 7 	 License Management (LMF)p= >Module 8 	 OpenVMS V8.2 Hardware and Cluster ConfigurationsM> >Module 9 	 Wrap-up and Rollout of the operating environments( >                   and layered products > 2 >The presentations were taped in the Fall of 2004. >c >Cheers! >  >Keith Cayemberg    A I'd like a module on how to obtain a rack mount kit and bezel. ;)b        K I know...  it's beating a dead horse with a stick but at least it's puttinggK a dead horse and a stick to some use.  I wish I could say the same about myh rx2600.p   -- e< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  -- n, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! 0 -- oK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2005 23:46:42 -0800 ! From: domen.setar@izum.si (domen)s Subject: Printing problem!= Message-ID: <d83d686b.0502092346.67c2c03f@posting.google.com>s  
 Hi Admins!  ? I have a problem with printing from OpenVMS. My environment is:n  
 OpenVMS 7.3-2t Hp LaserJet 4M+n
 Emulex NetQuei  A I have LPD queue on my Alpha server. When printing, the last pageh6 doesn't come out from the printer. I'm using qualifierE /separate=reset=reset in my queue. The reset sequence in my module is- as follows:-5 <ESC>]VMS;2<ESC>\<ESC>P<ESC>E<ESC>&l0O<ESC>*c0F<ESC>\0  C I tried with different print servers NetQue, NetJet, Troy-2933S. ItgE works only with NetJet print queue, which is integrated with printer.a  - LAT queue in the same environment works fine.l  0 Can anyone tell me the secret of this behaviour?   Best regards   Domend   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:00:56 -0800i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>h( Subject: SEARCH on a collection of files( Message-ID: <opslzqvuvjzgicya@hyrrokkin>  9 If you are searching a collection of files specified with ? wild card, how do you expose the file name when a match occurs?l   For exampleo7 pipe anal/image  sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe forto  - does prepend the filename when a match occurs, -- sC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:59:19 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: SEARCH on a collection of files0 Message-ID: <00A3F2F8.CC382B20@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <opslzqvuvjzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:: >If you are searching a collection of files specified with@ >wild card, how do you expose the file name when a match occurs? >t >For example8 >pipe anal/image  sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe fort > . >does prepend the filename when a match occurs >-- D >Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/      1 If you're only looking for files, won't this do:?   ) $ SEARCH/WINDOW=0 SYS$LIBRARY:*.EXE  fortw   -- o< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.s -- c, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! u -- nK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 12:02:27 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u, Subject: Re: SEARCH on a collection of files3 Message-ID: <bVu23JX36Ga8@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  N In article <opslzqvuvjzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:; > If you are searching a collection of files specified withRA > wild card, how do you expose the file name when a match occurs?6 > 
 > For example59 > pipe anal/image  sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe fort  > / > does prepend the filename when a match occursr  E    The best way to do this is write a loop which tests the $status of F    search.  You get different $status for file not found, match found,B    and no match found; the first of which won't apply to sys$pipe.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:51 -0500t( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>, Subject: Re: SEARCH on a collection of files, Message-ID: <420ba68c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message" news:opslzqvuvjzgicya@hyrrokkin...; > If you are searching a collection of files specified withFA > wild card, how do you expose the file name when a match occurs?n >1
 > For example 9 > pipe anal/image  sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe fortg > / > does prepend the filename when a match occurs.  : $ pipe anal/imag sys$library:*FO*.EXE | perl -ne "$f=$1 if6 /^\S+\](\S+;\d+)/; print ""$f : $. : $_"" if /7f798/i"   gives:  E DEC$FORRTL.EXE;2 : 1583 :                       %X'00000000 0007F798'eE FOR$DEC$FORRTL.EXE;1 : 5671 :                   %X'00000000 0007F798'    translation:   $f=$1 if /^\S+\](\S+;\d+)/  A variable $f become 'remembered' value is match occurs. Match for:h ^         = start of linef> \S+     = followed by some non-whitespace (device + directory)0 \]        = followed by an (escaped) closing box (         = strart remembering0 \S+     = a bunch of non-whitespace (file + ext)8 ;\d+    = a semicolon followed by some numbers (version) )         = stop remembering   prints $f     = remembered file namee $.      = line number  $_     = current lineu /match-string/ i        = ignore-case.n       hth, Hein.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 07:31:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)j1 Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have?j3 Message-ID: <asbSALZMh2Pf@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  f In article <1107991887.590340.274150@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "mas" <mas769@hotmail.com> writes:- > $21 million. Made for the rest of her life.  > D > Even she would have trouble spending that on hairdos and such ;-).  A    Now she can affor to work for the government.  Maybe Bush will G    ask her to work on the US-Canadian merger those up north have feared     for so long.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:50:57 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>r1 Subject: RE: So how big a parachute did she have?-R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F262@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----G > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]=20e! > Sent: February 10, 2005 8:32 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have?s >=20 > In article=20x= > <1107991887.590340.274150@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,=206$ > "mas" <mas769@hotmail.com> writes:/ > > $21 million. Made for the rest of her life.B > >=20F > > Even she would have trouble spending that on hairdos and such ;-). >=20C >    Now she can affor to work for the government.  Maybe Bush will,@ >    ask her to work on the US-Canadian merger those up north=20
 > have fearedj >    for so long.e >=20   Bob,  D Its all part of our plan to make the US the 11th province of Canada.G Course, teaching Texans to speak French might be a tad difficult, but II/ am sure they will see the value in this vision.    :-)0   RegardsN  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant0 HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660_ Fax: 613-591-44774 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:48:55 -0500g# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>V1 Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have?r, Message-ID: <4uydneYUoLXrDZbfRVn-gg@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:E > In article <1107991887.590340.274150@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,R$ > "mas" <mas769@hotmail.com> writes:. >> $21 million. Made for the rest of her life. >>E >> Even she would have trouble spending that on hairdos and such ;-).  >uC >    Now she can affor to work for the government.  Maybe Bush willtB >    ask her to work on the US-Canadian merger those up north have >    feared for so long.    J You'd wind up with responsible government that doesn't go around the worldI thumping people because it can't get its geopolitics right. Your military J bill would be about $100B annually instead of $416B. You'd have affordableF medical care for all. You'd have the ability to chose your own doctorsI rather than having an HMO decide which doctor you can see and whether youiK can have a necessary test. And you wouldn't have to worry about losing your J health insurance if you had a heart attack. A fully funded social securityI system, and every child would be vaccinated.  (You know what they say - aoF billion here, a billion there - pretty soon you're talking real money)I Abortion is legal. If you're gay, you can get married, and if you like to K light up and listen to reggae you aren't looking at 5-10 with a rapist as as
 cell-mate.  H Of course you won't get the US 'farm vehicle' tax credit for Hummer H2'sK that anyone can get simply because the H2 is > 6000 lbs. gross - the creditaH is $40,000, which means for somebody at 50% marginal tax the H2 winds upH costing about $32k out-of-pocket vs, $52k or so sticker. And there is noI such thing as a 'right to carry' and you need a criminal background check D for every gun purchase. Your chances of getting murdered, robbed, orJ otherwise victimized is about 90% lower on a per capital basis. Your kids,E on average, would rank much better in the world in literacy and math.wI Colour and neighbour would have the correct spelling. You'd learn to loverI Tim Horton's and hot tea with milk. Oh the horrors of a tolerant society.p :-)o     But I digress....nL I wonder if she cut a deal to continue using the Gulfstream G-V to go on job interviews?    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.l   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 10:56:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s1 Subject: RE: So how big a parachute did she have?e3 Message-ID: <7LMF1nBi$y3W@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  A Some people have suggested that HP could have acquired Compaq butd# omitted the parts that do PC stuff.u  | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F262@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  F > Its all part of our plan to make the US the 11th province of Canada.I > Course, teaching Texans to speak French might be a tad difficult, but Is1 > am sure they will see the value in this vision.i  5 You could skip Texas -- perhaps Mexico would want it.i   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 11:56:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e1 Subject: RE: So how big a parachute did she have?f3 Message-ID: <1Y787Ny45YXI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F262@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >  > Bob, > F > Its all part of our plan to make the US the 11th province of Canada.I > Course, teaching Texans to speak French might be a tad difficult, but Id1 > am sure they will see the value in this vision.k >   &    How do you spell nucular in French?   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 11:57:30 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s1 Subject: RE: So how big a parachute did she have?e3 Message-ID: <DmiBCvp7a57J@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  c In article <7LMF1nBi$y3W@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:r  7 > You could skip Texas -- perhaps Mexico would want it.o  G    Didn't enough Mexicans die trying to keep Texas the first two times?y   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:26:53 +0000 (UTC)m6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: SSH Problem with TCPIP V5.4?D0 Message-ID: <newscache$skkpbi$sc6$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <1107896814.873330.6670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, mcbill20@yahoo.com writes:D >I recently upgraded TCPIP 5.4 (no ECO) from 5.3. After upgrading, IH >enabled SSH. I then downloaded PUTTY in order to do a quick test. I wasF >able to successfully login using PUTTY, although I noticed occasional< >console messages about problems deleting TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG.  M I recommend ECO4 (at least). Consider TCPIP V5.5 also. SSH is improved there.-  H >At the time, it wasn't a high priority so I didn't worry too much aboutD >it. Unfortunately, my console is an LA120 and when I came in to theF >computer room today I found that a half box of paper had been printedB >with messages from SSH. Apparently machines in France, Poland andG >Australia (according to NSLOOKUP) had been trying to get in using SSH.wF >As for the breakin part, I am not too concerned as my machine is veryE >well locked down and only local access is enabled for any privilegedt
 >accounts.  G Yup. My SSH is currently open, too, and every access attempt is logged.rH The initiators obviously use a tool because I usually get umpteen (57 ?)& connect requests within a few seconds.  B >However, I was hoping to be able to leave SSH accessible from theD >outside for when I need to login and look up something or do simpleG >admin. The intrusion problem is frustrating enough, but I would really1G >like to know what the problem is with SSH. This machine is running VMS25 >7.3-1 (all latest patches) and TCPIP 5.4 (no ECO's).t   I do not see a problem at all.7 If you have a problem with the paper, then don't print.   H >Each time the remote machine would try to log in I would get a securityG >message but it would then be followed by multiple file access conflicts? >messages regarding the deletion of TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG (multiples >versions).  >tC >I looked through this group but didn't find anything on this. DOes ( >anyone know if this is a known problem?  G No problem. There is a PURGE in TCPIP$SSH_RUN.COM which tries to reduce J the logfiles, which some may still be open, because of the massive connectL requests. But no real problem. You could increase the /KEEP value by say 2-3  @ >I wanted to include samples, but apparently (maybe for securityF >reasons) most of the output that goes to the console does not go into4 >the operator log. All I see in the operator log is:  ; Usually, there should be more in OPERATOR.LOG than on OPA0:5( Especially, when OPA0 is still on paper.A eg. OPA0: is for problems when the system disk is no longer therec, (or for pagefile space critical and similar)% Please rethink your logging strategy. * eg. There is also the SECURITY AUDIT file.   -- m Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistZ E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:32:31 GMTE" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: SSH Problem with TCPIP V5.4?w0 Message-ID: <00A3F2FD.6F648B6B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <newscache$skkpbi$sc6$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:l] >In article <1107896814.873330.6670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, mcbill20@yahoo.com writes:EE >>I recently upgraded TCPIP 5.4 (no ECO) from 5.3. After upgrading, ItI >>enabled SSH. I then downloaded PUTTY in order to do a quick test. I wasiG >>able to successfully login using PUTTY, although I noticed occasional = >>console messages about problems deleting TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG.  > N >I recommend ECO4 (at least). Consider TCPIP V5.5 also. SSH is improved there.  # Does TCPIP V5.5 SSH support -X yet?    -- o< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.t -- m, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! s -- mK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 10:06:01 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 0 Subject: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!B Message-ID: <1108058761.548394.35500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  ! looks like swift is back for vms!L  J http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/solutions/connectdirect/openvms/index.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:14:25 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t4 Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!, Message-ID: <R42dnX8b89cdOZbfRVn-uw@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:# > looks like swift is back for vms!l >oL > http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/solutions/connectdirect/openvms/index.html    J Doesn't handle ISO 15022 or SwiftML, which are the holy grail in my world,@ except as a file transfer package, which is effectively useless.  L There's no mechanism for dealing with message control structures, BIC's, andG other necessary information. Most users of Swift (in my world view) arel& message passing, not file transfering.   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:19:17 -0000-2 From: "Graham Reid" <graham@hlr89.freeserve.co.uk># Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemt/ Message-ID: <cuf8mt$757$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>   4 "CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message# news:420A2D2C.50B9F67D@yahoo.com...s > Howard Shubs wrote:p7 > >  Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote:  <snip>A > For a couple of years I had ETHELRED.  He was the machine I wasc! > developing, and he was unready.e >d> Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethelred_the_Unready :  J "...His nickname "The Unready" does not mean that he was ill-prepared, butJ derives from the Anglo-Saxon unrd meaning without counsel. This is also a6 pun on his name, elrd, which means "Well advised"."  1 Who advises/counsels (programs?) your machine? ;)l   Regards,
     Graham   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 10 Feb 05 12:33:02 GMTE From: jmfbahciv@aol.comR# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problema, Message-ID: <-YCdnSQzb4pVwpbfRVn-sg@rcn.net>  ; In article <howard-62162F.21423809022005@news.newsguy.com>,2)    Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: F >In article <ToKdndkrytznmpffRVn-sw@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >b> >> Why don't you wait until you get everything you need?  Then) >> pick the word you used the most often.l >e >I should name a VAX "THE"?$ >U, That's not the most common adjective I used.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:50:47 +0100 " From: Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com>4 Subject: VICTORY !!! Carly fired, new hope for VMS ?* Message-ID: <420b2e79$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>  / Well, as usual, the question is in the subject.)   D.  6 Didier MORANDI - OpenVMS expert and SAP CRM Specialist6   13 chemin du Gu - 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Switzerland2        Tel.: +4179 8199735 - www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:11:27 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o8 Subject: Re: VICTORY !!! Carly fired, new hope for VMS ?B Message-ID: <1108029567.2b2243cbc5a28fd0d998c654490fd38a@teranews>   Didier MORANDI wrote:r > 1 > Well, as usual, the question is in the subject.l  H There are plenty of articles written. go to http://www.openvms.org for a
 good list.  G The scary part of that they are supposedly seriously considering hiring-" Michael Capellas to replace Carly.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 05:47:28 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 8 Subject: Re: VICTORY !!! Carly fired, new hope for VMS ?B Message-ID: <1108043248.023890.47430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  0 I emailed Carly alot and she actually replied to+ several of my emails, and she actually knew - what vms was and at least supported it ... ifo- cappelas or some other brain dead ceo gets in./ then it could get worse and then we all will be1 hoping some else buys it ...   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2005 05:51:25 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this? C Message-ID: <1108043485.877039.264710@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>5  D well why don't you teach your students PL/1?  It is an easy languageC to learn ... same for COBOL ... why are you teaching them c garbage 5 and creating more problems for us in the IT world? :)    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?-, Message-ID: <37193hF55rf2vU1@individual.net>  C In article <1108043485.877039.264710@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,- 	bob@instantwhip.com writes:F > well why don't you teach your students PL/1?  It is an easy languageE > to learn ... same for COBOL ... why are you teaching them c garbageh7 > and creating more problems for us in the IT world? :)   A Bob, are you really that much of an idiot.  I never said anythingmB about teaching students C.  As a matter of fact, we don't have anyC course that teaches any language as it's primary concern.  LanguagerD is unimportant.  What is important and what we teach are programmingC concepts.  Over their entire course of studies students are exposedR? to a number of languages and in their upper level work they areiB encouraged to choose the langauage that best suits the project and their abilities.  D As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machinesC the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiari" enough with it to actually use it.   bill  n   -- CJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:42:59 -0800@# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this? ( Message-ID: <opslzkhxt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  F > As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machinesE > the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiarT$ > enough with it to actually use it.  J It is available on Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux/x86, Tru64 and VMS,J The Windows version from IBM is about $180, Don't know what Liant charges, Tru64 and VMS are free to you.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2005 15:58:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?*, Message-ID: <371ektF557m91U1@individual.net>  ( In article <opslzkhxt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>,& 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:H > On 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: > G >> As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machinesnF >> the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiar% >> enough with it to actually use it.s > L > It is available on Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux/x86, Tru64 and VMS,. > The Windows version from IBM is about $180,   A That works out to about $5000 for one lab.  Add onto that anothereA $3000 for faculty machines.  And what exactly do I use to justify A that kind of spending?  I barely have enough budget to keep up tooD date with the hard and software we have to run.  Contrary to popularF belief, with the exception of the MIT's, CMU's and UCB's, universities  are not overflowing with money.   M >                                              Don't know what Liant charges,   E I don't either, but it wouldn't much matter as it is bound to be more5 than I can justify.t    > Tru64 and VMS are free to you.  D I will probably take you up on this when I get my "new" VAXen up andF running.  But I really expect there will be little use unless I decide1 to get nostalgic and write something myself.  :-)e   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:18:46 -0800y# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?e( Message-ID: <opslzoxkfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On 10 Feb 2005 15:58:21 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  * > In article <opslzkhxt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>,( > 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:I >> On 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  >>H >>> As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machinesG >>> the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiar5& >>> enough with it to actually use it. >>J >> It is available on Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux/x86, Tru64 and   >> VMS,u. >> The Windows version from IBM is about $180, >yC > That works out to about $5000 for one lab.  Add onto that anotheriC > $3000 for faculty machines.  And what exactly do I use to justifymC > that kind of spending?  I barely have enough budget to keep up to F > date with the hard and software we have to run.  Contrary to popularH > belief, with the exception of the MIT's, CMU's and UCB's, universities! > are not overflowing with money.g  H You could send an email to Peter Elderon  lastname at US dot IBM dot COMJ and ask him for free copies, tell him you are getting them free from me:-) >-G >>                                              Don't know what Liant  n >> charges,B >BG > I don't either, but it wouldn't much matter as it is bound to be moree > than I can justify.g >i! >> Tru64 and VMS are free to you.o > F > I will probably take you up on this when I get my "new" VAXen up andH > running.  But I really expect there will be little use unless I decide3 > to get nostalgic and write something myself.  :-)   E At the bottom of the following page are a number of sources you can   	 download.uK calendar.pli would be a great pedagogic example.  You would have to do some I editing, since it uses fixed binary(71), and guess when that was written! / http://multicians.planetmirror.com/sitemap.htmlf >e > bill >,       -- sC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:29:34 +0000 (UTC)s( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?a5 Message-ID: <cug25e$es5$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   N In article <opslzoxkfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > G > At the bottom of the following page are a number of sources you can  i > download.eM > calendar.pli would be a great pedagogic example.  You would have to do someM+ > editing, since it uses fixed binary(71), y  : Obviously times they are a changing. All I can remember is  bin fixed(15) and bin fixed(31).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:37:16 -0800># From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>@5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?d( Message-ID: <opslzpsefhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  ; On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:29:34 +0000 (UTC), Michael Kraemer  e <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote:   J > In article <opslzoxkfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  	 > writes:m >>F >> At the bottom of the following page are a number of sources you can >> download.K >> calendar.pli would be a great pedagogic example.  You would have to do  , >> some1+ >> editing, since it uses fixed binary(71),g > < > Obviously times they are a changing. All I can remember is" > bin fixed(15) and bin fixed(31).  A Maybe you are not old enough:-)  Multics was a 36 bit machine butuE also supported 72 bit integers.  The integer types were fixed bin(17)p fixed bin(35) and fixed bin(71)l -- ,C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/s   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:59:54 +0000 (UTC)_( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?-5 Message-ID: <cug3ua$fgq$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   N In article <opslzpsefhzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:= > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:29:34 +0000 (UTC), Michael Kraemer  5 > <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote:r > L > > In article <opslzoxkfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   > > writes:2- > >> editing, since it uses fixed binary(71),n > >X> > > Obviously times they are a changing. All I can remember is$ > > bin fixed(15) and bin fixed(31). > C > Maybe you are not old enough:-)  Multics was a 36 bit machine but G > also supported 72 bit integers.  The integer types were fixed bin(17)l! > fixed bin(35) and fixed bin(71)    I see.  L And I thought now that we have 64-bit computing everywhere ( bin fixed(63) )@ the next big thing would be 9 bytes in 72-bits ( bin fixed(71) )   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:52:11 -0500o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?r, Message-ID: <V7Odnf-qocmnDJbfRVn-iQ@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:* > In article <opslzkhxt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>,' > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:sB >> On 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>	 >> wrote:n >>H >>> As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machinesG >>> the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiare& >>> enough with it to actually use it. >>D >> It is available on Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux/x86, Tru647 >> and VMS, The Windows version from IBM is about $180,o > C > That works out to about $5000 for one lab.  Add onto that anotherrC > $3000 for faculty machines.  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