0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 11 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 84      Contents:6 "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain.: Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain.: Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain.! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job  ddis-e-tnf during upgrade  Re: Decwindows resource names  Re: Decwindows resource names , Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg, Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Re: fonts used by java applets Re: fonts used by java applets Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: Intrusion attempts- Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... 0 Re: OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar Partnership Opportunity 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM # Re: SEARCH on a collection of files  SLS dead SLS dead( Re: So how big a parachute did she have?+ Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS! + Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS! + Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!  Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem VMS Opportunity? Re: VMS Opportunity?P What universities (and the IT Branch) could be doing (was: Why aren't more univeP Re: What universities (and the IT Branch) could be doing (was: Why aren't more u7 Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? 7 Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? 7 Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? 7 Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 04:46:31 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com ? Subject: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. C Message-ID: <1108125991.816994.211370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ' In the 7.3-2 upgrade manual, it says to % run sys$system:agen:feedback when the 0 "feedback information is less than 30 days old".	 (page 87)    How do I determine this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:17:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. B Message-ID: <1108127076.f4250fe33d55406ef075d08752c5e276@teranews>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > ) > In the 7.3-2 upgrade manual, it says to ' > run sys$system:agen:feedback when the 2 > "feedback information is less than 30 days old". > (page 87)  >  > How do I determine this?   If you use  J @sys$update:autogen HELP it gives a description of the feedback mechanism.  G @SYS$update:autogen SAVPARAMS GENPARAMS FEEDBACK would do the trick. It G generates a report AGEN$REPORT where the feedback uptime is listed. And D it may even complain while it runs if you feedback is too short. (at> which point you could manually run the AGEN$FEEDBACK utility).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:18:48 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> C Subject: Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. ; Message-ID: <c93Pd.43544$qB6.12275@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > ) >>In the 7.3-2 upgrade manual, it says to ' >>run sys$system:agen:feedback when the 2 >>"feedback information is less than 30 days old". >>(page 87)  >> >>How do I determine this? >  > 
 > If you use  L > @sys$update:autogen HELP it gives a description of the feedback mechanism. > I > @SYS$update:autogen SAVPARAMS GENPARAMS FEEDBACK would do the trick. It I > generates a report AGEN$REPORT where the feedback uptime is listed. And F > it may even complain while it runs if you feedback is too short. (at@ > which point you could manually run the AGEN$FEEDBACK utility).    G It is saying the feedback file contained is over 30 days old.   IF the  C workload and system hasn't changed, you can force autogen to use it I by adding the word feedback as the 3rd autogen parameter.  It could be a  G better choice if you need to run autogen, but you have a short up time   or haven't had your full load.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:22:30 -08005 From: "greigaln@netscape.net" <greigaln@netscape.net> * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a jobC Message-ID: <1108131749.308235.146820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G >From today's "The Times" business pages, Michael Capellas is currently  4-1. Full odds as reported:   ) John Joyce , head IBM Global Services 2-1 ! Vyomesh Joshi, HP Head os PCs 3-1  Michael Capellas 4-1( Ann Livermore HP head tech solutions 5-1  ) Odds provided by Paddy Power (who/what??)    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 08:32:52 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com " Subject: ddis-e-tnf during upgradeB Message-ID: <1108139572.186563.89330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  6 I was trying to upgrade to 7.3-2 and I got this error:  
 DDIS-E-TNF   and a recommendation to abort.  , My web search indicates that I probably have a corrupt kit.  . I guess I should ask HP to send me another CD?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:43:29 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk & Subject: Re: Decwindows resource namesC Message-ID: <1108115009.778490.158480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Jf Mezei wrote:  > Tom M wrote: > > G > > Where can I find the valid resource names for individual Decwindows   > > applications (i.e. Decterm)? > 5 > You have to bribe one of the engineers in charge of  decwindows/decterm.... >   F A bribe is not needed if the answer is easy to find in the code (which it isn't always).   ) It looks like the widget is called "vsb":   F       w->output.v_scroll.widget = XmCreateScrollBar(w, "vsb", al, ac);  C and it looks like the colour is not explicitly set so you should be F able to set it using the XmScrollBar resource names and a suitable set of wild-cards.  C Generally, when I want to set resources I start with a very general B resource name to make sure I am having some effect and then try toE narrow it down until I get the desired result - regardless of whether " that ends up being overly general.  F Note that changing any resource that isn't either listed in one of the@ supplied .DAT files or mentioned in a document is not supported.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:25:13 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>& Subject: Re: Decwindows resource names- Message-ID: <qK2Pd.34$CT.30@news.cpqcorp.net>   J There are also some tools in DECW$UTIL that can be used to get things like	 the names K of widgets, and some of the resource names.  Not perfect, but they can give  you a hint.     , <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message= news:1108115009.778490.158480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...  > Jf Mezei wrote:  > > Tom M wrote: > > > I > > > Where can I find the valid resource names for individual Decwindows " > > > applications (i.e. Decterm)? > > 7 > > You have to bribe one of the engineers in charge of  > decwindows/decterm.... > >  > H > A bribe is not needed if the answer is easy to find in the code (which > it isn't always).  > + > It looks like the widget is called "vsb":  > H >       w->output.v_scroll.widget = XmCreateScrollBar(w, "vsb", al, ac); > E > and it looks like the colour is not explicitly set so you should be H > able to set it using the XmScrollBar resource names and a suitable set > of wild-cards. > E > Generally, when I want to set resources I start with a very general D > resource name to make sure I am having some effect and then try toG > narrow it down until I get the desired result - regardless of whether $ > that ends up being overly general. > H > Note that changing any resource that isn't either listed in one of theB > supplied .DAT files or mentioned in a document is not supported. >  > Martin Kirby >    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:52:53 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-8qEWQQdn77dI@dave2_os2.home.ours>   . On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:43:14 UTC, "Guy Peleg" % <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote:    > ? > "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message ; > news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EoHUH8vDJYHP@dave2_os2.home.ours...  > > Guy A > >         following on from the discussions about how /ig=space E > > does/should work, could we have a /ig=white_space qualifier? Why? F > > Well, it would avoid the problems/confusion we discussed last time, > > (how tabs are handled) but also consider > >  > > call a_routine (a,b,c)
 > > versus > > call a_routine(a.b,c)  > > I > > The only difference is the leading space before the '('. Its personal D > > preference and coding style but when I put the space in and diffI > > against the original to ensure I've not broken anything, particularly J > > if a learn-sequence is involved, there's a lot of visual checking that > > needs doing. > > I > > The white-space qualifier would remove all spaces, tabs (nulls?), etc  > > before comparing the lines.  > >  > > --   > > Cheers - Dave W. >  > Requested noted !  > , > Will be considered for next version (V8.3) >  > Guy  >    Thanks.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:52:54 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-kyrOhVHjo7sq@dave2_os2.home.ours>   + On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:44:30 UTC, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Dave Weatherall wrote:" > >         call a_routine (a,b,c)
 > > versus! > >         call a_routine(a.b,c)  > > = > > The only difference is the leading space before the '('.   > N > Actually there is also the punctuation between the "a" and "b" arguments :-)  2 Shows how important such a qualifier could be :-)    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:22:00 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: Re: fonts used by java applets . Message-ID: <cuiiio$4nb$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes in article <uLUnMxEjwwha@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 10 Feb 2005 20:19:23 -0600:D >In this case I'm launching an applet from CSWB 1.4 on VMS 7.3-2 andA >Motif 1.3-1 and it looks horrible.  The text is overlapping, the F >button text exceeds the button size, etc.  The same applet looks fine> >if done from a M$ box, but what good is that in the long run? > G >Is there some way I can "import" M$ fonts to make this applet readable  >on my VMS box?  > F >P.S. It's not my applet, and the tech support for those that wrote itD >say use a M$ platform and all will be well.   HA!  Not in my world!  J How does it look if you use appletviewer (comes with JDK for VMS)?  That's1 what I use when I need to run an applet on VMS.     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 08:28:31 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk ' Subject: Re: fonts used by java applets C Message-ID: <1108139311.898316.164800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ? > Is there some way I can "import" M$ fonts to make this applet  readable > on my VMS box?  B I don't know about the Java side of things but from the DECwindowsD server aspects it should be possible. If the font is a TrueType font@ then, since you are on V7.3-2, yes it can be imported (sort of).  D Others have had success doing this, but when I tried it I failed, so* these steps may need some experimentation.  E 1.  You need to get hold of the font and check you can legally use it   F 2.  You probably need to copy it as a binary file [I think this may beE where I went wrong] and create a streamlf file, you want to create it  in:   0    "DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_TRUETYPE]"   3.  You need to create a  C     DECW$FONT_DIRECTORY_USER_TRUETYPE.DAT (or it may be without the #       _USER_TRUETYPE, I'm not sure)   A     in that directory that lists the font. Use the example in the .     TRUETYPE directory. I think the format is:       count of fonts on 1 line       each font on a line )            font file   font specification   7 4.  Use xset to tell the server to reload the font path   E You should be all set, and it should be available always in future so  no need to repeat.  	 ---------   B The "sort of" is because in V7.3-2 there are two known issues with using TrueType fonts.   E Some queries on TrueType fonts can crash the server. I have seen this A with xlsfonts and the -ll qualifier where -l or -lll worked okay.   B There was a small memory leak in the server when changing the font( path, if TrueType fonts had been loaded.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:06:02 -0800 From: "Slo" <slovuj@gmail.com> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? B Message-ID: <1108112762.246845.36510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Your example works here fine:    J9>show system/noproc A OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node ZTREE  11-FEB-2005 08:53:44.45  Uptime  2  23:14:39   J9>SHOW SYMBOL GREP    GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT"  9 J9>pipe SHOW DEVICE DKB100/FILES/NOSYSTEM | grep 00000239 = Httpd           00000239  [PURVEYOR]PURVEYOR_CONTROLLER.COM;2 8 Httpd           00000239  [PURVEYOR]CONTROLLER_AXP.EXE;24 Httpd           00000239  [USER.HTTPD]HS050211.LOG;1  5 J9>pipe SHOW DEVICE DKB100/FILES/NOSYSTEM | grep PURV = Httpd           00000239  [PURVEYOR]PURVEYOR_CONTROLLER.COM;2 8 Httpd           00000239  [PURVEYOR]CONTROLLER_AXP.EXE;2= Httpd      0001 0000024D  [USER.HTTPD]PURVEYOR_WORKER.LOG;553 9 Httpd      0001 0000024D  [PURVEYOR]PURVEYOR_WORKER.COM;2   5 I don't know why I chose SYS$INPUT over SYS$PIPE, but 8 it's been years I've used it without surprises. However,* there must subtle differences somewhere...   You'll find both uses in:   % J9>sea sys$manager:*.com sea,sys$pipe & J9>sea sys$manager:*.com sea,sys$input   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:09:27 -0800 From: "Slo" <slovuj@gmail.com> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? C Message-ID: <1108112967.841380.223430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   A >show device dkb1/files/nosys | grep 00004c6c did nothing for me.   A Could the cause be that you forgot to put "pipe" in front of this  command?* But then, you should have seen an error...   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 07:29:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP should....3 Message-ID: <G+KLwPFoAVFx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <420C09D0.795A5F42@teksavvy.com>, Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > John Smith wrote:  >>   >> 1) Relaunch Alpha > G > Out of curiosity, if relaunch were to happen, would relaunching Alpha 6 > have any serious advantage over relaunching PaRisc ?  )    1) Alpha was always faster than PaRisc A    2) Porting HP-UX to Alpha, running in big-endian mode would be (       easier than porting VMS to PaRisc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:20 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP should....= Message-ID: <CJGdnR2vvLkLJZHfRVn-uA@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Doe wrote:  > Bill Todd wrote: > F >>existing development group, no less) at Intel in mid-2001, and - hadH >>Tukwila not been canceled - would have taken at least 5.5 years to get >>it to market.  >  > " > Working with a dog takes longer.  A And starting with an already-existing group takes shorter, so it  
 balances out.   )   Now, even if it took 5.5 years to get a I > new up-to-date Alpha to the market, they could still do process shrinks F > of EV7 and do some work at the system level to increase performance.  G Which I already noted.  The point is that there's no particular reason  D to believe that an up-to-date Alpha in late 2010 would be worth the I effort it took to reconstitute the resources necessary to develop it and  H then do so.  There's a large difference between having been an industry B leader for nearly 20 straight years and being a resurrection of a F product which had been dead for quite some time while the rest of the . industry caught up with and then surpassed it.   > H > Consider what it has taken 4.5 years between murder of Alpha and first/ > commercial version of VMS on that IA64 thing.   D It has been just over 3.5 years.  But it's not clear what relevance A either figure has to the question of reentering the leading-edge   processor biz.     And there isn't much > software available.   F If HP makes it clear that it now takes VMS seriously, there will be -  long before 2010.    > H > So, if you're going to develop a new platform starting on 2006 when HPG > announces the widthdrawal of IA64, it would take about 4 years to get J > VMS to restart again. If you announce rebirth of Alpha, you are going toJ > take about as much time but meanwhile, you inherit the complete softwareD > ecosystem which can grow during thsoe year sbecause VMS is already" > available on Alpha, so is Linux. > H > And consider SGI going Alpha, it would allow SGI to migrate immediatly& > to Alpha since Alpha already exists.  A SGI has no reason to switch from what it's got now, unless Intel  H abandons Itanic.  And if that happens, SGI will either die or switch to I a faster processor than Alpha is likely to be before - again - late 2010.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:10:51 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....( Message-ID: <opsl1dodjezgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:59:23 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  >>  The realH >> value in the Digital component of HP is VMS, Alpha has lost all its  	 >> value.  > F > There is one aspect of Alpha: installed base and available software,D > much of which is no longer developped and thus not be available onH > Alpha's successor. Continuing the Alpha processor ratins that softwareG > whereas moving to a new platform requires VMS start from scratch with  > software availability. > I > Note that this is also a reason HP-UX customers are still buying PaRisc J > based machines instead of that unwanted IA64 thing. But VMS is in a much; > worse shape than HP-UX in terms of application ecosystem.   D Face it Alpha is dead.  To make VMS a viable business it _will_ need> to use a supplier for its chips such as Power /and/or Opteron.     --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:03:26 -0500 & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: HP should....- Message-ID: <mc4Pd.38$_V.10@news.cpqcorp.net>    Bill Todd wrote:   > J > 2.  Port the OSs somewhere else.  This might be fairly easy for VMS and I > even Tru64, though perhaps harder for HP-UX (since Itanic was designed   > with its needs in mind).  G "fairly easy for VMS"?  Can I take a hit of what you are smoking?  The  H large amounts of BLISS and especially Macro-32 code in OpenVMS make any F port more difficult than a system like Tru64 with is mostly in C.  We A have more compilers to find/build.  Happen to have a AMD64 BLISS   compiler sitting around?  E And to the best of my knowledge, I don't know of anything in Itanium  G that was specially developed for HP-UX.  The instruction set is pretty  	 unbiased.   F Perhaps some of the memory management support... but if OpenVMS could H retrofit our VAX/Alpha designs to Itanium, I'd suspect that HP-UX could  handle that transition as well.   G HP-UX's big-endian design might be a better fit for POWER5 than for an  
 X86 platform.      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: HP should....) Message-ID: <cuipbe$bor$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   q In article <G+KLwPFoAVFx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ] >In article <420C09D0.795A5F42@teksavvy.com>, Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> John Smith wrote: >>>  >>> 1) Relaunch Alpha  >>  H >> Out of curiosity, if relaunch were to happen, would relaunching Alpha7 >> have any serious advantage over relaunching PaRisc ?  > * >   1) Alpha was always faster than PaRiscB >   2) Porting HP-UX to Alpha, running in big-endian mode would be) >      easier than porting VMS to PaRisc.  > ; Also how long would it take to port Tandem NSK to PA-RISC ? O How close was the port to Alpha to completion when the decision to move to IA64 
 was made ?  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:27:35 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....( Message-ID: <opsl1mr9pwzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC), <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:   = > Also how long would it take to port Tandem NSK to PA-RISC ? K > How close was the port to Alpha to completion when the decision to move   	 > to IA64  > was made ?  E Maybe the question that should be asked, is how long would it take to J provide migration tools from NSK to VMS?  Or alternatively, to whom can we sell Non-Stop business unit?  = I would give odds that HP will start shedding business units.    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:25:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <420C6BDE.10A66270@teksavvy.com>  - Suggestion for changes to recent news events:   E Carly could have announced she was quitting for personal reasons, and A the next day, show up in London for the announcement that she was A marrying Charles and would become Queen of England. (and with her H leadership style, she would be the one in charge and would allow Charles# to come along for the ride) :-) :-)   B The royals could them makes heaps of money reselling  Royal Family$ branded IPODs, TVs , computers etc.   B And Carly would feel right at home with the royal Yacth, Train and; Planes and of course the royal hairdressers :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:41:11 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired ; Message-ID: <HR0Pd.27514$Ub4.1306025@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:420C35FC.7AF3D631@teksavvy.com...* > Very good article from Mike Kenellos at:P > http://news.com.com/Fiorinas+fuzzy+vision/2010-1071_3-5569685.html?tag=st.prev > E > I find it interesting to see how the media portray Fiorina. You can H > really see those that just cover the surface, and those that have moreJ > in depth knowledge. This article shows much more in depth knowledge than > the average report.  > 7 > BTW Seems John Smith was right about the hairdresser.  > D > And Capellas is still listed as a front runner. For christ's sake.  M I'm not sure where reporters get their information, but the business section  L of Thursday's "Toronto Star" puts ex Oracle exec Ray Lane at the top of the M list. But apparently the board is also considering Michael "Curly" Capellas.  / Goes to so that what goes around, comes around.    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1107989413078   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:56:47 +0100 , From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <cuidje$38q$1@news.cybercity.dk>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:420C6BDE.10A66270@teksavvy.com.../ > Suggestion for changes to recent news events:  > G > Carly could have announced she was quitting for personal reasons, and C > the next day, show up in London for the announcement that she was C > marrying Charles and would become Queen of England. (and with her J > leadership style, she would be the one in charge and would allow Charles% > to come along for the ride) :-) :-)  > D > The royals could them makes heaps of money reselling  Royal Family% > branded IPODs, TVs , computers etc.  > D > And Carly would feel right at home with the royal Yacth, Train and= > Planes and of course the royal hairdressers :-) :-) :-) :-)   + Too late, he announced he is marrying CPB !   	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:36:48 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts 4 Message-ID: <p95Pd.2915$df.108334@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Thanks Peter that works great B Funny I didn`t think about it, wildcards work in so many places...  K BTW I found the culprit: A new employee was following the procedure but the D procedure was obsolete. The username in there did not exist anymore.  L I will now add the output from the AUDIT command to the email I get when the% automatic procedure unlocks the port.    Thanks to all who responded.   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- F "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> a crit dans le1 message de news:371p6gF55pr5oU1@individual.net...  > Syltrem wrote: > >...= > > Is there any way to make a selection only for the address 8 > > [165.110.40.1] when using the ANALYZE/AUDIT command?F > > Now I use /since and /before around the time intrusion record were2 > > deleted by the procedure, but it is not exact.< > > Examples of the variations of the Terminal name string :6 > > Terminal name:            _VTA3660, [166.110.40.1]? > > Terminal name:            VTA3662, _NTY4632, [166.110.40.1] ? > > Terminal name:            VTA1471, _NTY1613, [166.110.40.1] 6 > > Terminal name:            _VTA3664, [166.110.40.1] > >... >  > 6 > /SELECT=TERMINAL=*166.110.40.1* should work for you. > I > Have you considered that maybe the device (or one of the handhelds that H > plug into it) is babbling and sending out garbage from time to time to > cause the login attempts?  >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:06:04 +0100 , From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <cuig1k$6r8$1@news.cybercity.dk>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:420BDF9C.15823C25@teksavvy.com... > Kenneth Farmer wrote: K > > OK, so the World Cup would be another great opportunity to get the word  out. > I > However, I am not certain that the World Cup is similar to Superbowl. I H > think that there are many broadcasters involved for each country it is@ > seen. A bit like the olympics. So viewership is divided and noH > broadcaster gets a huge concentration of viewers even though the total- > number of viewers may dwarf the USA events.  >   B Indeed, it dwarfs them by a great deal.  Ask "Philips" who had theG advertising sign behind the goal the day Gordon Banks pulled off one of J footballs most miraculous saves.  Aside from the millions who saw it live,J it has been replayed about 47 million times in the intervening 30+ years -. and Philips gets there name there every time !  E > So while the Superbowl or the so called "world-cup" may be very USA I > centric, they still concentrate a lot of viewer to a single network. So I > a single ad purchased from one network will reach a lot more viewers in F > Superbowl than buying a single ad from one network airing World Cup. > I > The thing about Superbowl is that it isn't so much a sporting event, it H > is an advertising event. It is a competition for the best ads. The adsE > are actually watched, so they have great potential. And people talk ) > about the ads for days after the event.  >   E That is a newer phenomenon, possibly started because of the Apple MAC  success.  G Also, I suspect that a great many American Footbal fans would choose to , disagree on the sporting v. marketing issue.  J > (Heck, GoDaddy,.com got its second ads pulled at the last minute becauseE > the Football league decided it was too racy (it was a spoof on last I > year's Janet Jackson event). They didn't even have time to call GoDaddy  > to advise of their decision.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:40:24 -0500 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar , Message-ID: <420cfc2f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ? Go to the 'rack solutions home page' http://h30140.www3.hp.com/ & (from the 'HP Enterprise Configurator'J http://h30099.www3.hp.com/configurator/ you can pick integrity servers andB pick 'configure' and its the first link in the middle of the page)  K And yes we know that OpenVMS doesn't show up yet. It's being worked. It has $ to do with publishing schedules etc.  I anyway. from the Rack Solutions you can pick 'information library' in the " left nav which has some good stuff   -warren   = "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ( news:420B8C51.4993.1AB01801@localhost...- > On 10 Feb 2005 at 15:38, Dave Froble wrote: G > > 3) Purchase some light weight steel angle and some bolts, nuts, and  > > washers. > A > You must have not seen a rx2600.  Make those heavy-weight steel  > angles...  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 08:54:15 -0800 From: eliediamonds@gmail.com  Subject: Partnership OpportunityC Message-ID: <1108140855.132337.133020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Partnership Opportunity  Hello,E I am with a manufacturer of fine jewelry and am currently looking for D those interested in forming a partnership to sell jewelry on eBay orE anywhere else.  I work for Elie International, a manufacturer of fine F jewelry located in the heart of the diamond district in New York City.> We have been in the jewelry business for over 23 years and are? registered with the Jewelers Board of Trade (JBT registration # ! 01222207) and Dunne & Bradstreet. C For the first time in our company's history we are looking to build C partnerships with individual sellers. We hold an extensive stock of E over 24,000 items and need vendors to keep it moving.  By selling our E merchandise on eBay, or to family and friends, we become your partner B not your competitor and offer you fine jewelry at wholesale pricesE which are a FRACTION of what YOUR CUSTOMERS pay in retail stores.  We = understand that many buyers are apprehensive about paying for = merchandise up front, and we have devised our Direct Purchase G Partnership program with these concerns in mind.  Our Guaranteed Movers F Policy states that if you cannot sell one of our items within 6 months@ we will exchange it.  This insures that you are never stuck withC merchandise you can't sell. We want to strongly emphasize that this E is a partnership and we offer our partners the full support that they G need, including pictures, prices and descriptions of all merchandise to G get them started. Please contact us via e-mail at elieint@aol.com or at E (212) 719-0090 if you are interested or have any questions and please . include where you saw this message.  Thank You   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:51:14 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM1 Message-ID: <05021109511463@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Roy Omond wrote:  . > When SYSHUTDWN.COM gets invoked, if it does: >  > 	$ delete/symbol P1  > 	. > 	. > 	$ delete/symbol P8   < Thanks!  Now I do not have to change SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM     John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:32:38 +0000 (UTC)t. From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: SEARCH on a collection of files. Message-ID: <cuij6m$4nb$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  s "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <opslzqvuvjzgicya@hyrrokkin> dated Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:00:56 -0800:s: >If you are searching a collection of files specified with@ >wild card, how do you expose the file name when a match occurs? >y >For example8 >pipe anal/image  sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe fort > . >does prepend the filename when a match occurs  L One trick I've used for search output is to search for something I know will( be in the filename, such as ":[".  So...  E $ pipe anal/image  sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe/mat=or fort,":["f  J And if that's too much output for you, you can put it back through anotherH search command with /WINDOW=(2,0).  You have to use a tempfile for this,J though.  Too bad  "PIPE ... | SEARCH SYS$PIPE:/WINDOW=(2,0)" doesn't work.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:56:28 +0100i From: <Usenet> Subject: SLS dead 5 Message-ID: <420cd756$0$1268$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>t  D From the latest OpenVMS roadmap PDF, document, dated February 2005 :    J Storage Library System V2.9J (Q1 2005) will contain support for VMS V7.3-2  H and V8.2 on Alpha Only. Subsequent releases will concentrate on remedial	 fixes and.  J support for new versions of OpenVMS. There will be no support for new tape devicesr  I after V2.9H timeframe, and no new features will be introduced. No port to- Integrity is   planned.    I This, as far as I know, is a complete change of directions regarding thisr product. I didn't knowK before, and the only place where I saw it is this PDF. Although I have thisD
 product under1C support contract, I have never been informed officially. Many othern customers are probablyI in the same situation. I have been asked by a fellow HP employee to writes Mark Gorham J about this and state my disagreement. Perhaps other dissapointed customers	 should do 
 the same ?   Marc Van Dyck.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:03:34 +0100a From: <Usenet> Subject: SLS deade5 Message-ID: <420cd756$1$1268$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>t  A From the last OpenVMS roadmap PDF document, dated february 2005 :n  J Storage Library System V2.9J (Q1 2005) will contain support for VMS V7.3-2  H and V8.2 on Alpha Only. Subsequent releases will concentrate on remedial	 fixes andu  J support for new versions of OpenVMS. There will be no support for new tape devicesS  I after V2.9H timeframe, and no new features will be introduced. No port toa Integrity is   planned.    I This looks like a complete change of directions for this product. And for  me, it looks like a disaster, + specially the decision to abandon the port.E  K I got this info from the abovementionned PDF document, distributed to me in: through an unofficial H channel. The info did not appear anywhere else I know. But kindlt asked, H.P. confirmed. How = many other customers are impacted but still not aware of it ?   E A fellow H.P. employee urged me to write my concerns and disagreemente directly to Mark Gorham,F which I will do. Perhaps other impacted customers should do the same ?     Marc Van Dyck.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 07:32:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c1 Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have?E3 Message-ID: <vTKG4MGp82p9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <420BE3C3.43D668B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >   > And in french, it is Nuclaire  4   So outside of Crawford it would become newcule-air   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 07:02:15 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.comd4 Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!C Message-ID: <1108134135.802030.278400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   ? this article states that this new version of swift is replacinge the old one ...   < http://www.banktech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17603248   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2005 15:34:29 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>y4 Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!7 Message-ID: <Xns95FAA8C7AAF14dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   7 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:1108134135.802030.278400  @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com     A > this article states that this new version of swift is replacingC > the old one ...e  > > http://www.banktech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17603248   On unix.   Quote:J "By early 2003 Wachovia had a plan for the overall transition to SWIFTNet,L  and the company installed Connect:Direct for SwiftNET mid-year on Sun Unix C  hardware. "It was very straightforward to set up," Durocher says.".     Doc. -- rG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.oG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:53:26 -0500-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>04 Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS!, Message-ID: <17qdnQDcso_wSpHfRVn-1Q@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:A > this article states that this new version of swift is replacing  > the old one ...  >i> > http://www.banktech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17603248    I Slightly different stuff than I'm talking about. Swift is replacing theire' x.25 network, going to an IP-based one.b  :  The Sterling product deals with 'batched' file transfers.  K I deal with 'near-time'/'real-time'  trading & STP issues (sorry about that-J you 'hard' read-time guys out there - it clearly means different things inI different industries). This is a message-passing environment, not a batchu- file transfer - one message, one transaction.b   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.e   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 11 Feb 05 12:47:42 GMTa From: jmfbahciv@aol.comt# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemt, Message-ID: <CsudnczpRq5fKZHfRVn-2Q@rcn.net>  ; In article <howard-6D8857.22384810022005@news.newsguy.com>,s)    Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:eF >In article <-YCdnSQzb4pVwpbfRVn-sg@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >n> >> In article <howard-62162F.21423809022005@news.newsguy.com>,, >>    Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:I >> >In article <ToKdndkrytznmpffRVn-sw@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:d >> >A >> >> Why don't you wait until you get everything you need?  Thena, >> >> pick the word you used the most often. >> > >> >I should name a VAX "THE"? >> >/ >> That's not the most common adjective I used.  >m* >Barb, you said "word", not adjective. :-D  = I stand [emoticon virtually becomes vertical] corrected :-)).    /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:30:39 -0800l# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o Subject: VMS Opportunity?e( Message-ID: <opsl1j5dwezgicya@hyrrokkin>     http://tinyurl.com/3r47s   -- eC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:02:49 -0500u# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>( Subject: Re: VMS Opportunity?t, Message-ID: <RM6dnVEnCLCkeJHfRVn-jg@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote:b >   http://tinyurl.com/3r47s    9 It's part of the Microsoft 'Virus Everywhere' initiative.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:03:29 +0100e0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>Y Subject: What universities (and the IT Branch) could be doing (was: Why aren't more univenB Message-ID: <420c9101$0$18556$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Tom Linden wrote:nH > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:52:11 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:F >>, >>> In article <opslzkhxt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>,) >>> "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:i >>>TD >>>> On 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> >>>> wrote:h >>>>J >>>>> As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machinesI >>>>> the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiaro( >>>>> enough with it to actually use it. >>>> >>>>F >>>> It is available on Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux/x86, Tru649 >>>> and VMS, The Windows version from IBM is about $180,e >>>  >>>=E >>> That works out to about $5000 for one lab.  Add onto that anotherfE >>> $3000 for faculty machines.  And what exactly do I use to justifydE >>> that kind of spending?  I barely have enough budget to keep up tobH >>> date with the hard and software we have to run.  Contrary to popularJ >>> belief, with the exception of the MIT's, CMU's and UCB's, universities# >>> are not overflowing with money.n >>>IG >>>>                                              Don't know what Liante
 >>>> charges,t >>>i >>>cI >>> I don't either, but it wouldn't much matter as it is bound to be moree >>> than I can justify.l >> >> >>I >> Kermit's PC VT emulation to the VAX is all you'd need....correct, Tom?  >>+ > PuTTY is free and that is all you need:-)r >>0 >> OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. >>  A I would like to expand on these ideas more. Why couldn't several 0H universities form an *open consortium* for putting time-sharing systems D (including an OpenVMS Cluster) onto the Internet for classroom use. H Other organisations (such as Encompass and HP) could also sponsor their D preferred technologies with money, expertise and/or licenses. Other D companies (Steel, Auto, Medical etc.) or organisations (military or D scientific) could then sponsor those technologies on which they are A dependent. A rather large collection of resources (to enrich the nC learning possibilities of students beyond the resources of any one  C university) could be put together and coordinated with a web-based -: reservation system. The necessary network connections and I terminal-emulation software is generally already installed and available s at all universities.  E IBM, Sun and HP would get a chance to show off their current Utility a? Based Computing concepts (on Demand, Adaptive Enterprise, Grid nG Computing), and consulting and development firms would get a chance to nF establish long-lasting relationships with students by providing their C resources to the consortium. They would of course need to follow a bG consortium policy not to provide help directly to a student that isn't  / reported to and OKed by the relevant professor.    Cheers!c   Keith Cayembergs   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:53:47 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.comoY Subject: Re: What universities (and the IT Branch) could be doing (was: Why aren't more uoB Message-ID: <1108133627.475223.30740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  - question for you Keith ... I emailed IBMs ceoa, and posted the letter I got back in response* here on this site about a year ago ... IBM% basically thinks vms is not worth thee& investment ... why?  NIH syndrome (not+ invented here) or just plain stupidity?  Don* they understand what a market vms on power	 would be?p   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:45:13 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)@ Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation?2 Message-ID: <05021101451376_27001146@antinode.org>  - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>    > [...]p7 > UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN.r  H    When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificiallyH setting the case at restoration?  (An ODS2 destination still forces caseH up, and the new Zip should be able to preserve upper case as well as anyG other.)  I expect to add an UnZip command-line option to force the samegF old ODS2-compatible file name simplification even when the destinationG is actually ODS5, but the default would be to keep the fidelity as high  as possible.  G > There is a need for handling multiple dots in a filename differently ' > than the current behavior. > C > foo.1.html needs to be restored as foo_1.html for most VMS based o$ > browsers to be able to display it. > J > The same is the case for many source modules with multiple dots in them.  F    Isn't this what UnZip does now?  So far as I can tell, it takes anyE character it doesn't like and substitutes "_".  That seems to include G dots in directory names and non-last dots in file names.  What do _you_t think it does?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgh    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:38:19 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>-@ Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation?1 Message-ID: <r6OdnWbRJbKgOpHfRVn-vQ@adelphia.com>0   Steven M. Schweda wrote:/ > From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  >  >>[...]s7 >>UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN.- >  > J >    When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially" > setting the case at restoration?  G There are some programs that have problems with lowercase filenames on V ODS-5 devices.  G >>There is a need for handling multiple dots in a filename differently   >>than the current behavior. >>C >>foo.1.html needs to be restored as foo_1.html for most VMS based t$ >>browsers to be able to display it. >>J >>The same is the case for many source modules with multiple dots in them. > H >    Isn't this what UnZip does now?  So far as I can tell, it takes anyG > character it doesn't like and substitutes "_".  That seems to includeeI > dots in directory names and non-last dots in file names.  What do _you_s > think it does?  I UNZIP and VMSTAR now treat the first dot as delimiting the extension and a! replace subsequent dots with "_".9  ( Thus foo.1.html UNZIPs to be foo.1_html.   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only:   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:00:55 -0600 (CST)-* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)@ Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation?2 Message-ID: <05021109005496_27001145@antinode.org>  - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>   9 > >>UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN.- > >-L > >    When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially$ > > setting the case at restoration? > H > There are some programs that have problems with lowercase filenames on > ODS-5 devices.  #    Example?  (What could go wrong?)z  I > >>There is a need for handling multiple dots in a filename differently A > >>than the current behavior. > >>E > >>foo.1.html needs to be restored as foo_1.html for most VMS based a& > >>browsers to be able to display it. > >>L > >>The same is the case for many source modules with multiple dots in them. > > J > >    Isn't this what UnZip does now?  So far as I can tell, it takes anyI > > character it doesn't like and substitutes "_".  That seems to includelK > > dots in directory names and non-last dots in file names.  What do _you_H > > think it does? > K > UNZIP and VMSTAR now treat the first dot as delimiting the extension and t# > replace subsequent dots with "_"., > * > Thus foo.1.html UNZIPs to be foo.1_html.      Are you joking?   alp $ unzip -vH UnZip 5.51 of 22 May 2004, by Info-ZIP.  Maintained by C. Spieler.  SendO bug reports using http://www.info-zip.org/zip-bug.html; see README for details.e [...]i   alp $ unzip -t abc.zip! Archive:  ALP$DKA0:[SMS]ABC.ZIP;1k(     testing: a.b.c                    OKA No errors detected in compressed data of ALP$DKA0:[SMS]ABC.ZIP;1.c   alp $ unzip abc.zipo! Archive:  ALP$DKA0:[SMS]ABC.ZIP;1p  extracting: a_b.c  " alp $ dire /date /prot /size a_b.c   Directory ALP$DKA0:[SMS]  E A_B.C;1                    1  11-FEB-2004 08:58:53.00  (RWED,RWD,R,R)a   Total of 1 file, 1 block.l        I'll admit:   alp $ vmstar tf ABC.TAR  a.b.cr   alp $ vmstar xvf ABC.TAR( Feb 11 08:58:53 2004        6 [SMS]a.b_c  $ .. but I wasn't asking about VMSTAR.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orga    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:24:02 -0600o6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>@ Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation?D Message-ID: <craigberry-5AAFE8.10240211022005@news.isp.giganews.com>  2 In article <05021109005496_27001145@antinode.org>,,  sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote:  / > From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t > ; > > >>UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN.  > > >aN > > >    When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially& > > > setting the case at restoration? > > J > > There are some programs that have problems with lowercase filenames on > > ODS-5 devices. > % >    Example?  (What could go wrong?)t  E MMS has trouble processing implicit rules when the filenames are not   all upper case.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.084 ************************