0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 86      Contents:) Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? 2 Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?, Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS?  Here's why VMS gets no marketing Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: Lexical to get ACL( Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 nameserver configuration@ regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?) Re: SLS dead VMS Group purchase process?  Re: VMS Group purchase process?  Re: VMS Opportunity? Re: VMS Opportunity? Who wants to be a millionaire?4 Re: [OT] Any VMS opportunities in Switzerland, oder?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:56:47 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>2 Subject: Re: DCL call to get shadow member status?, Message-ID: <j2nPd.45170$gA4.40364@edtnps89>  F If the prospective shadow member meets any of the following condition,4 then it's not eligible for the intended shadow copy.  K $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "EXISTS")   ! Must be a valid device.   $       IF MBRSTAT .EQS. "FALSE" $...F $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "SHDW_MASTER")   ! Just in case  you put in wrong device DSA. $       IF MBRSTAT .EQS. "TRUE"  $...E $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "SHDW_MEMBER")   ! Can't be an   existing shadow member.  $       IF MBRSTAT .EQS. "TRUE"  $...H $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "MNT")      ! This would check if   it's already copying or merging.: $       IF MBRSTAT .EQS. "TRUE"       ! A disk may not be 1 copying/merging, but it could be already mounted.  $...       bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  8 >I have two shadow members dka0 and dka100 ... I want to> >bring in a third shadow set member for a quick backup nightly; >from a batch command routine but I need a vms call to find = >out the status of the dka200 thrid member.  If it is copying > >I will wait 5 minutes then continue to check until the status3 >shows the disk as a shadow member ... I could do a  >  >$ show device d/out=somefile  > / >and then parse it, but is there a quicker way?  >  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:07:15 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? , Message-ID: <J-udnddh_o9cqpPfRVn-1g@igs.net>  K It's a pretty good package considering all the damage caused. Any underling K causing this much damage probably would have been sued by their employer to  recoup the losses.    E Note that carly(tm) was canned on the 8th and that HP had their proxy L statement to shareholders all ready to go on the 11th, complete with all theI details of the severance package. Seems that this was under consideration  for some time prior to the 8th.       / EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS, TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT " AND CHANGE-IN-CONTROL ARRANGEMENTS  ) HP Severance Policy for Senior Executives   L         Under the HP Severance Policy, which the Board adopted in July 2003,J HP will seek stockholder approval for future severance agreements, if any,C with senior executives that provide specified benefits in an amount J exceeding 2.99 times the sum of the executive's current annual base salaryJ plus annual target cash bonus, in each case as in effect immediately priorC to the time of such executive's termination. In implementing the HP L Severance Policy, the Board may elect to seek stockholder approval after theJ material terms of the relevant severance agreement are agreed upon. SeniorI executives subject to the HP Severance Policy are HP's executive officers E for purposes of Section 16 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as  amended ("Senior Executives").  K         For purposes of determining the amounts subject to the HP Severance G Policy, benefits subject to the limit generally include cash separation L payments that directly relate to salary and bonus and extraordinary benefitsC that are not available to groups of employees other than the Senior K Executives upon termination of employment. However, benefits that have been K earned or accrued, as well as prorated bonuses, accelerated stock or option K vesting and other benefits that are consistent with HP practices applicable J to employees other than the Senior Executives, are not counted against theJ limit. In particular, benefits subject to the HP Severance Policy include:J (a) separation payments based on a multiplier of salary plus target bonus,A or cash amounts payable for the uncompleted portion of employment H agreements; (b) any gross-up payments made in connection with severance,L retirement or similar payments, including any gross-up payments with respectJ to excess parachute payments under Section 280G of the Code; (c) the valueL of any service period credited to a Senior Executive in excess of the periodI of service actually provided by such Senior Executive for purposes of any I employee benefit plan; (d) the value of benefits and perquisites that are L inconsistent with HP practices applicable to one or more groups of employeesK in addition to, or other than, the Senior Executives ("Company Practices"); H and (e) the value of any accelerated vesting of any stock options, stockJ appreciation rights, restricted stock or long-term cash incentives that isK inconsistent with Company Practices. The following benefits are not subject K to the Severance Policy, either because they have been previously earned or C accrued by the employee or because they are consistent with Company E Practices: (a) compensation and benefits earned, accrued, deferred or K otherwise provided for employment services rendered on or prior to the date D of termination of employment pursuant to bonus, retirement, deferredE compensation or other benefit plans, e.g., 401(k) plan distributions, C payments pursuant to retirement plans, distributions under deferred K compensation plans or payments for accrued benefits such as unused vacation K days, and any amounts earned with respect to such compensation and benefits D in accordance with the terms of the applicable plan; (b) payments ofJ prorated portions of bonuses or prorated long-term incentive payments thatI are consistent with Company Practices; (c) acceleration of the vesting of L stock options, stock appreciation rights, restricted stock or long-term cashE incentives that is consistent with Company Practices; (d) payments or I benefits required to be provided by law; and (e) benefits and perquisites E provided in accordance with the terms of any benefit plan, program or F arrangement sponsored by HP or its affiliates that are consistent with Company Practices.  L         For purposes of the HP Severance Policy, future severance agreementsD include any severance agreements or employment agreements containingH severance provisions that HP may enter into after the adoption of the HPC Severance Policy by the Board and agreements renewing, modifying or E extending such agreements. Future severance agreements do not include F retirement plans, deferred compensation plans, early retirement plans,A workforce restructuring plans, retention plans in connection with I extraordinary transactions or similar plans or agreements entered into in L connection with any of the foregoing, provided that such plans or agreementsK are applicable to one or more groups of employees in addition to the Senior  Executives.   * HP Severance Program for Senior Executives  D         In October 2003, the HR and Compensation Committee adopted aC severance program for Senior Executives (or persons who were Senior E Executives of HP within 90 days of termination of HP employment) that K provides a lump-sum severance payment upon a qualifying termination that is 
 a multiple of    39    L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----        J annual base salary and target cash bonus, as in effect prior to employmentE termination. The multiple used is 2.5 times for the position of Chief I Executive Officer, two times for Executive Vice Presidents, 1.5 times for L Senior Vice Presidents, and one time for Vice Presidents. Any payments underK the severance program will be reduced by any cash severance benefit payable K to the participant under any other HP plan, program or agreement, including I cash amounts payable for the uncompleted portion of employment agreements E and prorated cash bonuses under the applicable short-term bonus plan.   B         A participant will be deemed to have incurred a qualifyingF termination for purposes of this program if he or she is involuntarilyJ terminated without cause (as defined below) and executes a full release ofI claims, in a form satisfactory to HP, promptly following termination. For L purposes of the program, cause means a participant's material neglect (otherB than as a result of illness or disability) of his or her duties orK responsibilities to HP or conduct (including action or failure to act) that 7 is not in the best interest of, or is injurious to, HP.   I         This severance program is consistent with the HP Severance Policy L because the payments provided for under the program do not exceed 2.99 timesE the sum of the Senior Executive's base salary plus bonus as in effect 0 immediately prior to separation from employment.  3 Carleton S. Fiorina Severance Agreement and Release   H         HP entered into a Severance Agreement and Release (together, theC "Agreement"), dated February 8, 2005, with Carleton S. Fiorina, who I terminated as HP's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and resigned as a E director of HP on February 8, 2005. Pursuant to the Agreement, and in K accordance with the terms of the HP Severance Program for Senior Executives D adopted in 2003 (as described above), HP will make a cash payment ofJ $14,000,000 to Ms. Fiorina, which represents 2.5 times her base salary andL targeted annual cash bonus. This amount will be payable six months after theL date of the Agreement, together with interest at an annual rate of 2.78%. InK addition, Ms. Fiorina will receive a payout of $5,880,000, which represents K Ms. Fiorina's award for the 2003-2004 program year of the LTPC Program, and K a payout of $1,502,700, which represents a prorated amount of Ms. Fiorina's F award for the 2004-2005 program year of the LTPC Program, in each caseG calculated to reflect cash flow and TSR performance metrics established G under the LTPC Program with respect to each program year at target. Ms. G Fiorina's outstanding options to purchase 6,065,852 shares of HP common L stock with a weighted average exercise price of $35.73 as of the date of theG Agreement vested, with a one-year post-termination exercise period. Ms. @ Fiorina will receive $50,000 for financial counseling, legal andE outplacement services. Ms. Fiorina also will be permitted to keep her K personal computer equipment and receive technical support for a three-month L period, will receive administrative support for a six-month period, and willL receive maintenance of home security for a one-year period. Ms. Fiorina willG receive a cash payment for the balance of her unused vacation time. Ms. J Fiorina retained her vested rights under qualified HP retirement plans andH under an HP excess benefit plan, and will be eligible for HP's continued> group medical coverage through the Consolidated Omnibus BudgetE Reconciliation Act of 1995 (COBRA), for up to 18 months. Cash amounts J payable as described above will be reduced by applicable witholding taxes.K Pursuant to the Agreement, Ms. Fiorina provided HP and affiliates a general J liability release and indemnification. The Agreement is subject to a sevenI calendar day revocation right on the part of Ms. Fiorina and, assuming no E revocation, the Agreement will become effective on February 15, 2005.      --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:40:04 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> ? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? 6 Message-ID: <slrnd0sg0b.mp2.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  O In article <J-udnddh_o9cqpPfRVn-1g@igs.net>, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  > G > Note that carly(tm) was canned on the 8th and that HP had their proxy N > statement to shareholders all ready to go on the 11th, complete with all theK > details of the severance package. Seems that this was under consideration ! > for some time prior to the 8th.   G Press reports indicates the board had been discussing it internally for D at least a month prior, with hand finally being forced by a standoffD between Ms. Fiorina and the Board of Directors (BoD) in January overG sharing some of the responsibilities with subordinates which eventually : prompted the fateful BoD meeting this past Monday/Tuesday.  G And possibly the unflattering Fortune article as an incentive? They had H to know well in advance that it was coming out with a negative portrayalB and the effect on the stock price if decisive action wasn't taken.  G The BoD denied the dismissal was due to any specific single incident or H action, but it's pretty clear they had been thinking about this for some	 time now.   C I thought I saw somewhere that they had been thinking about this at G least as far back as December -- her strained relationship with the BoD E hadn't started suddenly in January, but can't find the reference now.  January is solid, though.   H She did make out nicely with the exit -- $21.4M in severance pay and hasG company-granted assets currently worth another $21.1M. Were we all such 5 so lucky when given the pink slip and shown the door.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:56:28 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? , Message-ID: <Au2dnTNkb9fW3pPfRVn-oA@igs.net>   Dan Foster wrote: 9 > In article <J-udnddh_o9cqpPfRVn-1g@igs.net>, John Smith  > <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >>H >> Note that carly(tm) was canned on the 8th and that HP had their proxyG >> statement to shareholders all ready to go on the 11th, complete with F >> all the details of the severance package. Seems that this was under0 >> consideration for some time prior to the 8th.    $ I didn't say exactly what I meant...  L For the wording to be as precisely written in the proxy statement means thatL it had been written well before the 8th and basically all set to be insertedD in the proxy statement. Numerous people within HP other than the BoD probably knew in advance.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:09:29 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg , Message-ID: <376dgaF5a9rjoU1@individual.net>   Dave Weatherall wrote:- > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:44:30 UTC, JF Mezei  ' > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >  >  >>Dave Weatherall wrote: >>! >>>        call a_routine (a,b,c) 	 >>>versus   >>>        call a_routine(a.b,c) >>> < >>>The only difference is the leading space before the '('.  >>N >>Actually there is also the punctuation between the "a" and "b" arguments :-) >  > 4 > Shows how important such a qualifier could be :-)  >   I I agree, as I like to use meaningful symbol names, and put spaces in not  F only for clarity, but so that I can navigate by word using KP1 in bog . standard EDT or EVE. Here's the spacing I use:   	call a_routine (a, b, c)   E Oh, and I used to have a colleague who had his editor set to convert   tabs to spaces...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:15:48 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? , Message-ID: <eUjPd.60462$Fp7.36684@fe07.lga>  
 Slo wrote:7 > I don't know why I chose SYS$INPUT over SYS$PIPE, but : > it's been years I've used it without surprises. However,, > there must subtle differences somewhere...  % Use SYS$INPUT if PIPE is interactive. ) Use SYS$PIPE if PIPE is in a DCL program.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:27:44 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? $ Message-ID: <cukln0$dr8$2@online.de>  C In article <eUjPd.60462$Fp7.36684@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:     > Slo wrote:9 > > I don't know why I chose SYS$INPUT over SYS$PIPE, but < > > it's been years I've used it without surprises. However,. > > there must subtle differences somewhere... > ' > Use SYS$INPUT if PIPE is interactive. + > Use SYS$PIPE if PIPE is in a DCL program.   4 Is there a reason NOT to use SYS$PIPE interactively?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:32 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? + Message-ID: <420E4404.994D2063@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:C > > for first time users it is not the way your brain works!  I can H > > sit a new user or programmer down at vms and with little instructionA > > and the help facilities he is productive the first day ... in : > > unix land it is the opposite and is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! >  > I don't know why.   F Have you (or anyone you know) ever been "grep"-ed by a law-enforcementB agent? ...ever been served with or even heard of a "grep" warrant?E ...ever heard of an internet "grep" engine? ...ever heard of a "grep"  and rescue mission?    'Nuff said.   ? > You can use grep with standard expresions, just like $SEARCH.  > I > Regular expression get you so much more ... Start of Line, End of Line, ( > user-defined patterns and ranges, etc. > J > I suspect that if $SEARCH had regular expressions, a lot of posters hereH > would be touting that as a powerful feature (which it is), rather than > dismissing it.  G Who is dismissing regular expressions? These would make a fine addition 
 to SEARCH.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:58:29 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Here's why VMS gets no marketing , Message-ID: <8JadnXq2io4uqJPfRVn-rw@igs.net>  H Michael J. Winkler; age 59; Executive Vice President, Customer Solutions! Group and Chief Marketing Officer      --  - OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:50:52 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....0 Message-ID: <110r9a33q6onm50@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: > E >>Just curious, if they'd be so interested in it now, why didn't they ( >>'snap it up' prior to Compaq doing so? >  > D > Bob Palmer started negotiations with Pfeiffer 3 years prior to the > actual transaction.   ( Ah ....   The topic was Tandem, not DEC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:00:42 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....0 Message-ID: <110r9si6hfdtm0b@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >    > J >>Yeah, but that's Intel's problem.  They wanted it.  Now they got it.  As+ >>long as they make then, why not use them?  >  > F > It takes a few years to port to a new platform. If Intel has begn toD > scale down IA64, reduce its target market niche, and you know thatD > revenus are not impressive and rumour tha the only reason Intel isA > keepiong IA64 alive is contractual obligatiosn with HP, one can C > reasonably guess that as soon as the contract ends, so does IA64.  > F > So, when rumour sof IA64's demise become credible, you need to start > looking at alternatives.   I don't buy those arguments.  E If Intel wanted to discontinue IA-64, then they would.  Contracts be  G damned.  Don't forget, as Rob and others were always telling us, Intel  F has plenty of cash.  Just how much would they have to wave under HP's 6 nose to do away with any contracts, should such exist.  E Intel is continuing IA-64 for the same reasons as before, EGO!  They  G want to play with the big boys.  Sure, it's fine to have the volume of  H the desktop, but the prestige is at the top, and they covet that.  What E they should have done is take over Alpha, have their low volume high  D cost, and high performance, CPU, and then dance with AMD in the x86 F space.  If they would have done that, they wouldn't have had to worry % about undercutting IA-64 with x86-64.   E Hey, we still live in interesting times, but for now I think that if  I IA-64 was going to be a casuality, it would have already happened.  They  C are now working hard to minimize AMD, and IA-64 survived the panic.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:14:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....B Message-ID: <1108191795.b044c0c7ee5d174cdcfc77a62b495b43@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:F > If Intel wanted to discontinue IA-64, then they would.  Contracts beH > damned.  Don't forget, as Rob and others were always telling us, IntelG > has plenty of cash.  Just how much would they have to wave under HP's 8 > nose to do away with any contracts, should such exist.   You forgot: B Andy Grove is gone, Ottelini is in. Much easier for him to correct mistakes of the past.   F Margins have narrowed, and Intel has indicated it would look carefully at less profitable products.  @ > Intel is continuing IA-64 for the same reasons as before, EGO!  F EGO is no longer an issue. They changed CEO. And Intel is smart enough? to know you just can't abruptly cabncel a chip until you have a F replacement. For now, they continue with the IA64 plan of record untilF the 8086 gets the features that make IA64 unnecessary. 2007 is the key
 year here.  A Intel learned from the Alpha murder debacle. They aren't going to L formally announce it end of line until it know it has a working replacement.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:06:59 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....( Message-ID: <opsl3dpxhnzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:15:09 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote: I >> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:01:10 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >> >>> Bill Todd wrote: >>>> Tom Linden wrote:E >>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:12:40 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com>  >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ... >>>>5 >>>>>> IBM would probably snap up NSK in a heartbeat.  >>>>> D >>>>> Probably not for the product, but the customer.  BTW, what are >>>>> their revenues?  >>>>G >>>> The same Compaq slide that stated VMS annual system revenues as $4 I >>>> billion and Tru64's as $3 billion in March, 2001, pegged NSK's at $2 H >>>> billion.  And in rather marked contrast to VMS's and Tru64's, NSK'sF >>>> were reported as holding approximately steady the following fall. >>>>> >>>> Which may say nothing about what they are now, of course. >>>> >>>> - bill  >>>  >>> F >>> NSK, while not a big line item in the HP sales forecast, has loyalH >>> customers....not too many NSK installations are switching to WindowsF >>> for it's reliability, nor to Linux for its transaction processing.E >>> Those platforms are not perceived to be threats to NSK, either in  >>> reality or in perception. E >> Stratus has done a fault-tolerant version for Windows, so that may < >> change. But, how many 9's can you get from a VMS cluster? >  >  > How many 9's do you want? 2 > The military has 'Dial-a-Yield' for their nukes. > J > Just don't forget that the number of real 9's also depends on a lot of   > other   > factors outside the buildings.  ) Understood, but I think you get my point.  >  >  > --/ > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.  >  >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:12:47 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....( Message-ID: <opsl3dzllzzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:08 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   > Dave Froble wrote: >> John Smith wrote: >>> Dave Froble wrote: >>>  >>>> John Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tom Linden wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>> 0 >>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC),( >>>>>> <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>C >>>>>>> Also how long would it take to port Tandem NSK to PA-RISC ? G >>>>>>> How close was the port to Alpha to completion when the decision  >>>>>>> to move to IA64  >>>>>>> was made ? >>>>>>I >>>>>> Maybe the question that should be asked, is how long would it take H >>>>>> to provide migration tools from NSK to VMS?  Or alternatively, to/ >>>>>> whom can we sell Non-Stop business unit?  >>>>>>D >>>>>> I would give odds that HP will start shedding business units. >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> 4 >>>>> IBM would probably snap up NSK in a heartbeat. >>>>>  >>>>> --3 >>>>> OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>H >>>> Just curious, if they'd be so interested in it now, why didn't they+ >>>> 'snap it up' prior to Compaq doing so?  >>>  >>>  >>> 1 >>> They would have had to buy the whole company.  >>D >> I'm assuming that Compaq did buy the whole company.  What part of4 >> "prior to Compaq doing so" didn't you understand? >  > J > I mis-read your post because I was thinking about Gerstner declining a   > shot > a Compaq as a whole. > I > As Tom Linden said, I think IBM would take Tandem because it would then H > pretty much give IBM the entire datacenter at many banks and insuranceG > companies -- Z/OS mainframe, AIX, NSK, and the licence to print money C > without competition therein. Plus some other goodies like Atalla.   I That's not quite what I said.  I said that if IBM were to buy Tandem it    would L be for the customer base, not the product or technology.  Remember back in   85I IBM got very cozy with Stratus, but they never bought them, and stopped    selling I the product after some years, even after very impressive wins, like Visa.  > -- > / > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.  >  >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:59:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired B Message-ID: <1108190858.84eb9884d149ef993482726a82aebcd0@teranews>  $ I was thing about Carly's next move.  F Currently, she is blacklisted. It would be hard for the Bush regime to! give her some very prominent job.   G But the timing is now perfect for her to organise a run for next year's ? midterm elections. Her speaking skills would be incredible as a E politician for her campaign as Senator. And by the time she starts to H openly campaign, people will have forgetten about the bad news currently circulating about her.  5 Imagine a VP debate in 2008 pitting Hillary vs Carly.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:05:16 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired 0 Message-ID: <110ra53i2gpni32@corp.supernews.com>  $ tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com wrote:G > so many good people lost their jobs b/c of her incompetence. she will F > walk away with millions.  we need a Marxist-Leninist dictatorship of) > the proletariat to remedy these abuses.  > D While I deplore what some CEOs and others get, and definitaly don't G deserve, I'll take the abuses along with freedom.  Without the dignity  L and freedom individuals enjoy, there is nothing left for your 'proletariat'.   Or was this a troll?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:14 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL + Message-ID: <420E3DDA.74D9E013@comcast.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > 6 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > G > > ...which is fine until, for example, a 4.1GB file no longer fits on G > > an RZ29 (3.99GBF). Then you're screwed, unless you have some RZ1DDs  > > among your "surplus" gear. > 1 > Has the cat got your MOUNT? Not a /BIND at all.   G ...if you have another volume available, or a storage array slot to add  one.  G Actually, the last time I used disk volume-sets was over fourteen years F ago on a good-sized All-in-1 site for the shared file areas. I had twoF 2GB+2GB volume-sets containing over 500,000 files. Try backing THAT up
 with a TF857!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:27:05 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 + Message-ID: <420E3C69.38D7D88F@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > [snip]  G Not sure if any business relationship can result from this, but might I / respectfully suggest continuing this privately?   E Perhaps a bit of follow-up was lacking on both sides. Yes, we are all A busy as entrepreneurs these days, this I understand. Follow-up is 5 something else that I put on my calendar, personally.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:34:03 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: nameserver configuration $ Message-ID: <cul44r$a6q$1@online.de>  G I have several nameservers configured.  Recently, my ISP had a problem  F so that some but not all of the nameservers were not reachable.  This F crippled my internet access.  I then added another nameserver which I G knew was working and---I still couldn't "get out".  I then removed all  . the other nameservers, and then things worked.  H What am I doing wrong?  I would think that the purpose of being able to I configure more than one nameserver is for failover purposes, i.e. if the  B first one doesn't work it tries the second.  This obviously isn't  working in my case.   C VMS 7.3-1 (ALPHA) and 7.3 (VAX), Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS  Version V5.3 - ECO 4     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:35:18 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>I Subject: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?) D Message-ID: <craigberry-A23559.10351812022005@news.isp.giganews.com>  > In article <FjJOd.155241$K7.61630@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,-  "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> wrote:   9 > * Implement regular expression code as LIB$ routine(s), . >    say LIB$REGEX and LIB$REGEX_END, that are* >    modelled on the LIB$FIND_FILE and the >    LIB$FIND_FILE_END routines   > Wildcard matching of filenames is only one example of regular H expression matching.  Your proposed names conflate the example with the F thing it is an example of.  For filename matching, it would be better H to just use another bit of the flags argument to LIB$FIND_FILE and call  it, say, LIB$M_FIL_REGEX.     H The need for a bundled API that supports regular expression matching is F a separate need from a regex filename matching capability, though the C latter would almost certainly be built upon the former.  There are  @ already standard APIs.  See documentation for the POSIX regular  expression API here:  ? http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7990989775/xsh/regcomp.html   B There is a Perl-compatible regular expression (PCRE) library here:   http://www.pcre.org/  F PCRE supports the POSIX API as well as having its own, more Perl-like E regex API and is free, even for commercial use.  It's used by Python ?( and a lot of other open source packages.    4 > * Implement new lexical function(s), say, F$REGEX,4 >    and F$REGEX_END that use the new LIB$ routines,9 >    thus supplying regular expression support at the DCLo
 >    level  C Again, regex pattern matching is not necessarily just an alternate .G filename wildcard method.  An alternate way of expressing wildcards to iE F$SEARCH would be a different enhancement from adding a lexical that n% would match patterns in any string.  o  L > The benefit of a new SEARCH qualifier is that it allows the user to chooseL > whether regular expressions will be, or not be, used. And, whether used orM > not, the command would behave exactly as it does now in terms of the output,3 > produced, so maintaining backwards compatibility.-  0 Instead of /REGEX, it might be better to make it   /WILDCARD=TRADITIONAL (D)  /WILDCARD=REGEXe  F Or, if you prefer, PATTERN instead of WILDCARD.  As far as I can see, F there is currently in SEARCH no capability for matching file contents = against patterns of any kind, even traditional VMS wildcards.e  K > And, of course, the benefit of implementing regular expression support atuN > the LIB$ level is that of high performance and standardisation: it becomes a( > core OpenVMS feature, not a 'tack on'.  H Agreed.  Adding POSIX regular expression support to the CRTL would be a G place to start.  Building a LIB$ interface around that for folks using  @ languages other than C would be an added benefit (but it should E probably be STR$MATCH_REGEX rather than in the LIB$ space).  Support eF for pattern matching in SEARCH and via a DCL lexical would be nice to F have, and regular expressions should certainly be at least one of the  pattern matching types offered.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:08:03 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: SLS deadc* Message-ID: <420E4603.67DF89C@comcast.net>   Wayne Sewell wrote:f >  > >From: <Usenet>r > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms > >Subject: SLS dead( > >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:03:34 +0100 > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >  > > D > >From the last OpenVMS roadmap PDF document, dated february 2005 : > > M > >Storage Library System V2.9J (Q1 2005) will contain support for VMS V7.3-27 > >0K > >and V8.2 on Alpha Only. Subsequent releases will concentrate on remedials > >fixes and > >dM > >support for new versions of OpenVMS. There will be no support for new tapea
 > >devices > >lL > >after V2.9H timeframe, and no new features will be introduced. No port to > >Integrity ish > >m > >planned.e > >t > >sL > >This looks like a complete change of directions for this product. And for  > >me, it looks like a disaster,. > >specially the decision to abandon the port. > >lN > >I got this info from the abovementionned PDF document, distributed to me in > >through an unofficialK > >channel. The info did not appear anywhere else I know. But kindlt asked,R > >H.P. confirmed. How@ > >many other customers are impacted but still not aware of it ? > >cH > >A fellow H.P. employee urged me to write my concerns and disagreement > >directly to Mark Gorham,eI > >which I will do. Perhaps other impacted customers should do the same ?a > >  > >e > >Marc Van Dyck.e > >o > Q > The TAPESYS port to itanium is in progress.  The itanium builds have been done,s > now in the testing stage.i > N > This is the closest functional equivalent to SLS, though it is a third-partyP > product.  The original SLS actually *was* TAPESYS, taken from a snapshot of anM > much earlier version.  The two products have diverged since then, but stillt > have many similarities.   D If/when Cerner gets the "warm fuzzies" for whatever Enterprise ClassD Itanic machines, looks like I'll be talking to you and your folks atG SP32 for on-going support of our backups using StorageTek libraries, ifo- SLS on I64 is not to be. (ABS is not usable.)n   -- a David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:t" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/c   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:25:46 +0100h- From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>e$ Subject: VMS Group purchase process?2 Message-ID: <420dd9ae$0$547$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   A question:e  I What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to someone h else?p  ; Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous?e   D. --  ,        Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:28 -0500i# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process?, Message-ID: <__udnQw1C4QGiJPfRVn-iw@igs.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:o
 > A question:p >uB > What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to > someone else?e >o= > Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous?m    K Step 1: Have at least $2 billion in small unmarked bills before you call ori write.   Next question?   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:22:03 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>s Subject: Re: VMS Opportunity?n2 Message-ID: <420dd8ce$0$531$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Tom Linden wrote:n   >  http://tinyurl.com/3r47s  >   I So, who would/could put some $$$ to demonstrate to the IT world that VMS v& is a REAL GOOD solution to CyberCrime?  " This would/should boost VMS sales.   D. -- e,        Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:09:56 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: VMS Opportunity?d+ Message-ID: <420E4674.748508E4@comcast.net>h   Didier Morandi wrote:y >  > Tom Linden wrote:n >  > >  http://tinyurl.com/3r47si > >i > J > So, who would/could put some $$$ to demonstrate to the IT world that VMS( > is a REAL GOOD solution to CyberCrime?  C Anyone with the resources to market VMS effectively (i.e., not HP).n  $ > This would/should boost VMS sales.  2 Another area where HP has shown negative interest.   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/g   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:00:11 -0500o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>w' Subject: Who wants to be a millionaire?e, Message-ID: <FNWdndmSq6OEq5PfRVn-1w@igs.net>  6 Get nominated to the HP Board on a VMS-friendly slate.  K If we hurry and get enough shares behind somebody, we can have our very ownwH Director for VMS this year....otherwise we have to wait until next year.  G Q:    What is the deadline to propose actions for consideration at nextgL year's annual meeting of stockholders or to nominate individuals to serve as
 directors?  D A:     You may submit proposals, including director nominations, for- consideration at future stockholder meetings.a  H   Stockholder Proposals: For a stockholder proposal to be considered forG inclusion in HP's proxy statement for the annual meeting next year, the L Corporate Secretary of HP must receive the written proposal at our principalJ executive offices no later than October 14, 2005. Such proposals also mustK comply with Securities and Exchange Commission regulations under Rule 14a-8hK regarding the inclusion of stockholder proposals in company-sponsored proxy., materials. Proposals should be addressed to:     Corporate Secretarye   Hewlett-Packard Company    3000 Hanover Street    Palo Alto, California 94304c   Fax: (650) 857-4837n  H   For a stockholder proposal that is not intended to be included in HP'sF proxy statement under Rule 14a-8, the stockholder must deliver a proxyJ statement and form of proxy to holders of a sufficient number of shares ofJ HP common stock to approve that proposal, provide the information requiredK by the bylaws of HP and give timely notice to the Corporate Secretary of HPfH in accordance with the bylaws of HP, which, in general, require that the4 notice be received by the Corporate Secretary of HP:       .fD     Not earlier than the close of business on November 16, 2005, and         .i>     Not later than the close of business on December 16, 2005.J   If the date of the stockholder meeting is moved more than 30 days beforeG or 60 days after the anniversary of the HP annual meeting for the prioriF year, then notice of a stockholder proposal that is not intended to beE included in HP's proxy statement under Rule 14a-8 must be received nonG earlier than the close of business 120 days prior to the meeting and nocI later than the close of business on the later of the following two dates:        . %     90 days prior to the meeting; ande         . :     10 days after public announcement of the meeting date.L   Nomination of Director Candidates: You may propose director candidates forJ consideration by the Board's Nominating and Governance Committee. Any suchH recommendations should include the nominee's name and qualifications forK Board membership and should be directed to the Corporate Secretary of HP at ? the address of our principal executive offices set forth above.p  I   In addition, the bylaws of HP permit stockholders to nominate directors J for election at an annual stockholder meeting. To nominate a director, theL stockholder must deliver a proxy statement and form of proxy to holders of aH sufficient number of shares of HP common stock to elect such nominee andL provide the information required by the bylaws of HP, as well as a statementK by the nominee acknowledging that he or she will owe a fiduciary obligationtI to HP and its stockholders. In addition, the stockholder must give timely L notice to the Corporate Secretary of HP in accordance with the bylaws of HP,G which, in general, require that the notice be received by the CorporateTI Secretary of HP within the time period described above under "StockholdersL Proposals" for stockholder proposals that are not intended to be included in HP's proxy statement.i  I   Copy of Bylaw Provisions: You may contact the HP Corporate Secretary atrK our principal executive offices for a copy of the relevant bylaw provisionsuJ regarding the requirements for making stockholder proposals and nominatingF director candidates. HP's bylaws also are available on HP's website at. http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/bylaws.html.      " Consideration of Director Nominees   Stockholder nominees  D The policy of the Nominating and Governance Committee is to considerK properly submitted stockholder nominations for candidates for membership onaI the Board to be included in HP's proxy statement as described below under G "Identifying and Evaluating Nominees for Directors." In evaluating suchaG nominations, the Nominating and Governance Committee seeks to achieve a K balance of knowledge, experience and capability on the Board and to addresswF the membership criteria set forth under "Director Qualifications." AnyH stockholder nominations proposed for consideration by the Nominating andI Governance Committee should include the nominee's name and qualificationst0 for Board membership and should be addressed to:   Corporate Secretaryg Hewlett-Packard Companyt 3000 Hanover Street0 Palo Alto, CA 94304  Fax: (650) 857-4837g  K In addition, the bylaws of HP permit stockholders to nominate directors for:H consideration at an annual stockholder meeting and to solicit proxies inG favor of such nominees. For a description of the process for nominating0J directors in accordance with HP's bylaws, see "Questions and Answers aboutJ the Proxy Materials and the Annual Meeting-What is the deadline to proposeJ actions for consideration at next year's annual meeting of stockholders or: to nominate individuals to serve as directors?" on page 7.   Director Qualificationsm  K HP's Corporate Governance Guidelines contain Board membership criteria thatsL apply to nominees recommended by the Nominating and Governance Committee forK a position on HP's Board. Under these criteria, members of the Board shouldrH have the highest professional and personal ethics and values, consistentL with longstanding HP values and standards. They should have broad experienceL at the policy-making level in business, government, education, technology orL the public interest. They should be committed to enhancing stockholder valueH and should have sufficient time to carry out their duties and to provideH insight and practical wisdom based on experience. Their service on otherK boards of public companies should be limited to a number that permits them,gI given their individual circumstances, to perform responsibly all director I duties. Each director must represent the interests of all stockholders of  HP.i  1 Identifying and Evaluating Nominees for Directorsa  I The Nominating and Governance Committee utilizes a variety of methods for D identifying and evaluating nominees for director. The Nominating andJ Governance Committee regularly assesses the appropriate size of the Board,H and whether any vacancies on the Board are expected due to retirement orK otherwise. In the event that vacancies are anticipated, or otherwise arise,"C the Nominating and Governance Committee considers various potentialwD candidates for director. Candidates may come to the attention of theB Nominating and Governance Committee through current Board members,J professional search firms, stockholders or other persons. These candidatesB are evaluated at regular or special meetings of the Nominating andK Governance Committee and may be considered at any point during the year. As K described above, the Nominating and Governance Committee considers properlyhD submitted stockholder nominations for candidates for the Board to beK included in HP's proxy statement. Following verification of the stockholdereE status of people proposing candidates, recommendations are consideredyL together by the Nominating and Governance Committee at a regularly scheduledD meeting, which is generally the first or second meeting prior to theI issuance of the proxy statement for HP's annual meeting. If any materialsaD are provided by a stockholder in connection with the nomination of a7 director candidate, such materials are forwarded to thed   12    L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----    L Nominating and Governance Committee. The Nominating and Governance CommitteeF also reviews materials provided by professional search firms and otherJ parties in connection with a nominee who is not proposed by a stockholder.G In evaluating such nominations, the Nominating and Governance Committee I seeks to achieve a balance of knowledge, experience and capability on the, Board.  I HP engages a professional search firm on an ongoing basis to identify and I assist the Nominating and Governance Committee in identifying, evaluatingHK and conducting due diligence on potential director nominees. On February 7,aL 2005 and February 8, 2005, the Board elected Thomas J. Perkins and Robert P.F Wayman, respectively, as directors. Mr. Perkins previously served as aJ director from May 2002 until March 2004. Mr. Wayman previously served as aG director from December 1993 until May 2002. Neither Mr. Perkins nor Mr.o6 Wayman was identified by the professional search firm.                +    NON-EMPLOYEE DIRECTOR COMPENSATION TABLEh       FOR FISCAL 2004         "       Annual retainer     $200,000K       Minimum percentage of annual retainer to be paid in HP securities (1)e 75% (2):F       Additional retainer for Chair of any committee (3)     $10,000 - $15,000eJ       Reimbursement for expenses attendant to Board membership (4)     YesB       Range of compensation earned by directors (for the year) (5) $200,000 - $220,000     L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----     (1)uI   Each director may elect to receive the securities portion of the annualhH retainer in a grant of restricted stock or stock options. The restrictedI stock awards are based on the fair market value of HP common stock on thevJ grant date, and stock options are based on a modified Black-Scholes option valuation model.       (2)<G   Under special circumstances, less than 75% may be paid in securities.4       (3)DJ   The additional retainer for the Chair of the Audit Committee is $15,000.       (4)eK   Reimbursement of expenses includes expenses related to directors' spousesm0 when spouses are invited to attend Board events.       (5)fK   Directors receive an additional $2,000 for each Board meeting attended inoK excess of six per year, and an additional $2,000 for each committee meetingnK attended in excess of six per year for each committee on which the directorv serves.rI         Under HP's stock ownership guidelines for directors during fiscaleL 2004, all directors were required to accumulate over time shares of HP stockE equal in value to at least twice the value of the annual retainer. In B November 2004, the guidelines were changed to require directors toH accumulate over time shares of HP stock equal in value to at least three' times the value of the annual retainer.e       --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:17:02 +0100n- From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr>.= Subject: Re: [OT] Any VMS opportunities in Switzerland, oder?.2 Message-ID: <420dd7a1$0$531$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Keith Cayemberg wrote:   > No idea how old these are... > 1 > http://www.ecareers.ch/_eckpre572D731896J11.htm  > i > http://www.edvjob.ch/nexusmain.nsf/VAKViewWEB/7469a77bad76b5dac1256e7e004e814c!OpenDocument&AutoFramed i  / Vielen danke, aber Ich spreche nicht Deutsch...a Chss,   D. -- 5,        Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien0   13 chemin du Gu, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse0 Tl. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.086 ************************