0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 87      Contents:6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?6 Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off?, Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Re: grep on openVMS? Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP should....  Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired- Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... ( Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250( Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 More HP should...... Re: More HP should...... Re: More HP should...... Re: nameserver configuration Re: nameserver configuration Re: nameserver configuration Re: nameserver configuration Re: nameserver configurationD Re: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?) Re: VMS Group purchase process?  Re: VMS Group purchase process?  Re: VMS Group purchase process?  Re: VMS Group purchase process?  Re: VMS Opportunity?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:12:26 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? + Message-ID: <420E5519.53365C6B@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:  > M > It's a pretty good package considering all the damage caused. Any underling M > causing this much damage probably would have been sued by their employer to  > recoup the losses. > G > Note that carly(tm) was canned on the 8th and that HP had their proxy N > statement to shareholders all ready to go on the 11th, complete with all theK > details of the severance package. Seems that this was under consideration ! > for some time prior to the 8th.   E Word in the media was that the decision was actually made in mid-Jan.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:52:33 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? = Message-ID: <iNCdnYC-WLsfw5PfRVn-oA@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Smith wrote:    <snip>  F By coincidence, the column settings on my email client were such that > the subject title got truncated before "-off" and my daughter ( immediately insisted that I click on it.  E While that revealed the '-off' part, she was still amused to see the  > body of the message start with "It's a pretty good package..."   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? B Message-ID: <1108259727.d2bf937c2ccc534e7816b708128b3dbe@teranews>   Dan Foster wrote: I > Press reports indicates the board had been discussing it internally for  > at least a month prior,   D I read it started the day Capellas left and Carly refused to replace4 him, wanting to handle all responsabilities herself.  G I suspect that they tolerated it until last year's SAP debacle where it G was realised a more hands on approach was necessary with a COO and that  a single CEO wasn't enough.   G The fact that she got fired right after the board replaced one of their D own means that that change at the board probably tilted the balance.  I > And possibly the unflattering Fortune article as an incentive? They had J > to know well in advance that it was coming out with a negative portrayalD > and the effect on the stock price if decisive action wasn't taken.  H The writer of the article may have been tipped by the pro-firing side ofF the board that something could happen that week. This wasn't the firstB negative article but certaintly the most damning and most visible.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:08:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? B Message-ID: <1108259830.2c6c10e9eecad819dacd6094da7b29cb@teranews>   John Smith wrote: N > For the wording to be as precisely written in the proxy statement means thatN > it had been written well before the 8th and basically all set to be insertedF > in the proxy statement. Numerous people within HP other than the BoD > probably knew in advance.   H Not necessarily. This may have been a boilerplate document prepared whenN the bylaw was instituted. Just need to do a update to replace names and dates.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:53:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: Did you get this much last time you were laid-off? B Message-ID: <1108262473.0adb7e88891e2e682048cd6a540b0dc4@teranews>   from:     ' About her 42 million severange package:   d > http://news.com.com/Fiorina+leaves+HP+with+42+million+payday/2100-1001_3-5573658.html?tag=nefd.top   ## She will also keep her5 computer, receive technical support for three months,  ##    G At least someone at HP has a sense of humour.   Including a $500 office B machine and 3 month support in a multi million dollar package !!!     G One a more serious note however, I wonder if this includes her right to E retain corporate emails and documents that had been addressed to her. H (Consider cases where it legal problems arise and those documents become" handy for Carly to defend herself)   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2005 06:29:08 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-hU81O0Bs8Oiz@dave2_os2.home.ours>   C On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:31 UTC, "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> wrote:   H > Until /IGN=WHITE comes out, you can use this quick & dirty VAX FORTRANF > program I wrote.  It squeezes all of the whitespace out of the inputG > file and creates a new file.  Run this on your two files and see what B > differences there are (did I mention that it's quick & dirty ;-)   <SNIP>   Thanks Barry3                          I've forwarded it to work.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:27:11 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? ' Message-ID: <ILAPd.236$cn3.82@fe07.lga>    David J Dachtera wrote: H > Have you (or anyone you know) ever been "grep"-ed by a law-enforcementD > agent? ...ever been served with or even heard of a "grep" warrant?G > ...ever heard of an internet "grep" engine? ...ever heard of a "grep"  > and rescue mission?  > 
 > 'Nuff said.   3 Is your point that the name "grep" isn't intuitive?   I The same is true for plenty of VMS commands, qualifiers and also layered  G product commands. You just don't see it that way because of decades of  
 VMS exposure.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:16 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: HP should....- Message-ID: <87vf8xd07n.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:    > Dave Froble wrote:  D >> I'm assuming that Compaq did buy the whole company.  What part of4 >> "prior to Compaq doing so" didn't you understand?  F > I mis-read your post because I was thinking about Gerstner declining > a shot a Compaq as a whole.   D > As Tom Linden said, I think IBM would take Tandem because it wouldC > then pretty much give IBM the entire datacenter at many banks and E > insurance companies -- Z/OS mainframe, AIX, NSK, and the licence to B > print money without competition therein. Plus some other goodies > like Atalla.  H IBM had already eaten Stratus, so grabbing Tandem as well would probablyB have woken up the FTC, and it would have got several big customers
 very unhappy.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:59 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: HP should....- Message-ID: <87r7jlczus.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  F >> 2.  Port the OSs somewhere else.  This might be fairly easy for VMSD >> and even Tru64, though perhaps harder for HP-UX (since Itanic was$ >> designed with its needs in mind).  C > "fairly easy for VMS"?  Can I take a hit of what you are smoking? D > The large amounts of BLISS and especially Macro-32 code in OpenVMSF > make any port more difficult than a system like Tru64 with is mostlyF > in C.  We have more compilers to find/build.  Happen to have a AMD64  > BLISS compiler sitting around?  D You do in fact. Well, OK it needs an update to the code generator to do the 64-bit ISNs.   F > And to the best of my knowledge, I don't know of anything in ItaniumH > that was specially developed for HP-UX.  The instruction set is pretty > unbiased.   G The itanic was designed to be the follow on to the 32 bit PAs. Slippage + resulted in PA3 as we know it now shipping.   A > Perhaps some of the memory management support... but if OpenVMS C > could retrofit our VAX/Alpha designs to Itanium, I'd suspect that - > HP-UX could handle that transition as well.   E > HP-UX's big-endian design might be a better fit for POWER5 than for  > an X86 platform.  > The ISVs an the change to little endian are the big humps. And the PC braindeath of course.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP should....B Message-ID: <1108260416.b692620a5ba321502c5423cd86c51168@teranews>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  J > IBM had already eaten Stratus, so grabbing Tandem as well would probablyD > have woken up the FTC, and it would have got several big customers > very unhappy.   H Not entirely sure of that. Tandem may be considered too mission criticalF for the USA to be allowed to fall into unreliable hands. HP's turmoilsF and Wintel centricity may be convincing enough that only IBM is serousM enough to be given the responsability to maintain Tandem support/development.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2005 16:17:56 -0800# From: tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired C Message-ID: <1108253876.353923.148650@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   F increasingly dignity and freedom are a myth unless you are a CEO. haveG you not noticed the growing gap between the worker and the manager?  if D you do not own the means of production you are dirt in this country.D and it is getting worse.  capitalism is reaching its final crisis in? which it can no longer resolve its own internal contradictions.    Dave Froble wrote:& > tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com wrote:G > > so many good people lost their > While I deplore what some CEOs and   others get, and definitaly don't@ > deserve, I'll take the abuses along with freedom.  Without the dignity ? > and freedom individuals enjoy, there is nothing left for your  'proletariat'. >  > Or was this a troll?   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2005 00:34:33 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired , Message-ID: <377lkpF58uiaaU1@individual.net>  C In article <1108253876.353923.148650@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, & 	tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com writes:H > increasingly dignity and freedom are a myth unless you are a CEO. haveI > you not noticed the growing gap between the worker and the manager?  if F > you do not own the means of production you are dirt in this country.F > and it is getting worse.  capitalism is reaching its final crisis inA > which it can no longer resolve its own internal contradictions.  >  > Dave Froble wrote:' >> tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com wrote: H >> > so many good people lost their > While I deplore what some CEOs and" > others get, and definitaly don'tA >> deserve, I'll take the abuses along with freedom.  Without the 	 > dignity @ >> and freedom individuals enjoy, there is nothing left for your > 'proletariat'. >>   >> Or was this a troll?   % Looks like he answered your question.    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2005 18:34:59 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>% Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired C Message-ID: <1108262099.658499.253680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote: 2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* > > news:puCdndlkQvHDpZffRVn-iA@igs.net... > >> Dan Allen wrote:  > > [...snip...] > >>A > >> Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get  FooledF > >> Again" - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and
 > >> Linux > >> > > G > > Reality check for OpenVMS folk: "Meet the new boss, same as the old 	 > > boss"  > D > It depends if the "boss" are the 'suits' or that the o/s itself is "TheG > Boss". But given the events of today, the connotation is probably the 	 > former.      It *IS* the former, of course.  G Actually, it's (I get on  my knees  and  pray,... that Google preserves  my spacing!)  4 "Meet  the new  boss      . . . duh,    duh dunnnh .8  same  as the old  boss!  . . . duh,    duh dunnnh, ..."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:03 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired 0 Message-ID: <110tfrv3ebk812f@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1108253876.353923.148650@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, ( > 	tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com writes: > H >>increasingly dignity and freedom are a myth unless you are a CEO. haveI >>you not noticed the growing gap between the worker and the manager?  if F >>you do not own the means of production you are dirt in this country.F >>and it is getting worse.  capitalism is reaching its final crisis inA >>which it can no longer resolve its own internal contradictions.  >> >>Dave Froble wrote: >>' >>>tariq.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com wrote:  >>> G >>>>so many good people lost their > While I deplore what some CEOs and  >>" >>others get, and definitaly don't >>A >>>deserve, I'll take the abuses along with freedom.  Without the  >>	 >>dignity  >>@ >>>and freedom individuals enjoy, there is nothing left for your >> >>'proletariat'. >> >>>Or was this a troll?  >  > ' > Looks like he answered your question.  >  > bill >    > > Well let's see.  I'm a CEO, so I guess it's all Ok by me.  :-)  I Yeah, there are problems, and this isn't the forum for such.  But if you  H want problems, try the insurance industry, the lawyers, and health care.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:11:01 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....- Message-ID: <87mzu9cze2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  / > In article <87fz03jdrs.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,   > 	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:0 >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:   B >>> In article <q_iOd.68235$K72.8342776@twister.southeast.rr.com>,< >>> "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes:   6 >>>> How may people watch the Superbowl?  60 million?    2 >>> http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info   A >>> Super Bowl XXXVIII TV audience: Last year's game was the most ; >>> watched program ever with 144.4 million viewers. The 10 < >>> most-watched programs in TV history are all Super Bowls.   ) >> More than Apollo 11? I don't think so.   C > I know it's hard for modern civilized man to even comprehend life E > without television, but I can assure you that at the time of Apollo A > 11 there were a lot fewer TV's in both the world and the USofA. F > Satellite TV wasn't even a gleam in some inventors eye.  Most of theF > world didn't get to watch it live and neither did a lot of people in > the states.  (I didn't!!)   6 OK, I'll add you to Collins for the `didn't see' list.  C I can't remember if we had a TV or not, `69 was the year we got one / but I can't remember if it was before or after.   B We walked out of school, en masse, and spent the day wastching the? whole thing. I think the coverage went non stop through to 7pm, 	 1300 GMT.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:09:43 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> 1 Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 0 Message-ID: <110skj6otn3oc05@news.supernews.com>   Larry J If there was a delay between us getting a cheque and it being forwarded to myself, then I apologise. K We are a busy company, but I can tell you this is an absolute "first" in my  memory. G Most people are very impressed by our customer service and attention to  detail. K I have never seen any follow up letter nor have I seen any emails addressed , to either myself, sales or customer service.J I was told my the accountant that the cheque stated "no phone calls" which we assume means just that.L The configuration requirement on the attached print out from the website was not a working configuration.J As there was no contact email and as it stated no phone calls we were left& in the dark a little about what to do.J Therefore, instead of shipping something that was not technically correct,G we chose the easy, or "honest", avenue and sent the cheque back to you. K Believe me when I tell you we own about 1000 of these systems including the K UK inventory, and are doing our utmost to find these systems a decent home. H If you contact me privately at david@hpaq.net I am sure we can come to a very fair resolution.   G Again, I apologize for 50 per cent of the issue, but I cannot take full  responsibility. E To be honest, emails are a lot easier for us to act on, and receiving I cheques in advance, that's something we don't normally ask for or expect.      Regards      David Turner   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com     ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:420E3C69.38D7D88F@comcast.net...  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:
 > > [snip] > I > Not sure if any business relationship can result from this, but might I 1 > respectfully suggest continuing this privately?  > G > Perhaps a bit of follow-up was lacking on both sides. Yes, we are all C > busy as entrepreneurs these days, this I understand. Follow-up is 7 > something else that I put on my calendar, personally.  >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2005 16:48:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 3 Message-ID: <eENpFF$S4mzO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <110skj6otn3oc05@news.supernews.com>, "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> writes:  L > As there was no contact email and as it stated no phone calls we were left( > in the dark a little about what to do.  J Yes, the check said "No phone calls".  The last line on the voucher (stillI attached to the check when you returned it) said "All communication is to # be in writing".  That was the hint.   G > To be honest, emails are a lot easier for us to act on, and receiving K > cheques in advance, that's something we don't normally ask for or expect.   H In general it is quicker.  The vendor needs ask no background questions,6 and waiting for the check to clear takes a brief time.  F Given your conciliatory attitude here, I am hopeful you will do better" for the next prospective customer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:05:05 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: More HP should...... , Message-ID: <-ZednawXwaPs_JPfRVn-gw@igs.net>  J Restart production of EV7z with the best process shrink they can do....I'mK guessing a further 20-25% speed impovement is possible (Bill?), fab about 1 0 million of them and call them EV7-LC (low cost).  I In addition to the multi-cpu systems, stick these in  $1000 1-cpu systems D (comparable to typical Celeron-class machines....IDE drives (maybe aJ driverless Raid controller http://www.arcoide.com/product_overviews.php ),L adequate video card, a sound card, and USB support). Give a whole bunch awayL to universities, and ISV's for free. Sell the rest. Build demand for apps byE having more low-cost systems in the field. If building Alpha and IA64 I compatible apps on an Alpha is so easy, they let's get 1 million low-cost 9 'development' systems out there for people to develop on.   F So what if some sharp people buy a bunch of these low-cost systems andK cluster them, thereby eating into some of the big-tin sales  --- far better H to eat your own lunch than have somebody else eat it for you.  This is aK really great way to get low-cost disaster tolerance for the SMB segment. So J what if a bunch of people decide to reformat the drives and stick linux on it.   J What would a 'simple' process shrink of EV7z cost and how much would a cpuJ cost if 1 million were fabbed? How much would a 'simple' 1 cpu motherboard, cost?  The rest is just off-the-shelf parts.  G How long would it take? Bet some Taiwanese company like Asus could do a  board in about 1 month.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:44 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: More HP should...... , Message-ID: <msmdnWfRnZ7R_5PfRVn-vQ@igs.net>  G I meant to say o/s independent, not driverless when discussing the raid  controller.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:09:53 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: More HP should...... = Message-ID: <7s6dnb15Ldo_7ZPfRVn-hQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Smith wrote: L > Restart production of EV7z with the best process shrink they can do....I'm@ > guessing a further 20-25% speed impovement is possible (Bill?)  G I'm guessing closer to 50% for, e.g., EV79.  But since they've already  H pretty much missed the 130 nm. process generation, a bit more than that C in a 90 nm. or smaller process would be reasonable to expect (they  G couldn't ship even a straight EV7z shrink before 2007 at the earliest).   A But if they went to that effort, resurrecting EV8 might be worth  I considering even if it would not be the industry leader when it appeared  ? that it would have been last year.  Hard to say, really:  if a  D resurrected EV8 didn't beat Itanic by any significant amount (and I I suspect that it wouldn't:  as the saying goes, you can't go home again -  I or, if you're of a more classical bent, you can't step in the same river  I twice), then it wouldn't attract much *new* Alpha business, and it's not  I clear that it would take any more than just keeping EV7z available as-is  I and developing its OSs to retain that portion of the existing Alpha base  ( which is unwilling to migrate to Itanic.  
 , fab about 1 2 > million of them and call them EV7-LC (low cost). > K > In addition to the multi-cpu systems, stick these in  $1000 1-cpu systems F > (comparable to typical Celeron-class machines....IDE drives (maybe aL > driverless Raid controller http://www.arcoide.com/product_overviews.php ),N > adequate video card, a sound card, and USB support). Give a whole bunch awayN > to universities, and ISV's for free. Sell the rest. Build demand for apps byG > having more low-cost systems in the field. If building Alpha and IA64 K > compatible apps on an Alpha is so easy, they let's get 1 million low-cost ; > 'development' systems out there for people to develop on.   H The way to do that is to support VMS on inexpensive Itanic systems, I'm J afraid.  They're available today rather than two-plus years down the road.  I It's largely the existing customer base which is concerned about lack of  I current VMS applications on Itanic:  developers could use VMS to develop   on Itanic just fine.   ...   1   Bet some Taiwanese company like Asus could do a  > board in about 1 month.   F I'm not sure that's the level of quality you'd want to associate with I Alpha or VMS.  Doing it right takes somewhat longer but doesn't cost all  9 that much more and preserves an important differentiator.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:20 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: nameserver configuration + Message-ID: <420E549B.23E8ADC4@comcast.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > H > I have several nameservers configured.  Recently, my ISP had a problemG > so that some but not all of the nameservers were not reachable.  This G > crippled my internet access.  I then added another nameserver which I H > knew was working and---I still couldn't "get out".  I then removed all0 > the other nameservers, and then things worked. > I > What am I doing wrong?  I would think that the purpose of being able to J > configure more than one nameserver is for failover purposes, i.e. if theC > first one doesn't work it tries the second.  This obviously isn't  > working in my case.  > E > VMS 7.3-1 (ALPHA) and 7.3 (VAX), Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS  > Version V5.3 - ECO 4  G In general (since I can't speak to UCX directly), I would think it very G likely that a reboot would be needed to make that kind of change. Never ! tried that with TCPware, either.    @ I can do it with Multinet while the system is running, but it is non-trivial.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: nameserver configuration $ Message-ID: <culr3p$d32$1@online.de>  < In article <420E549B.23E8ADC4@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera$ <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:   J > > I have several nameservers configured.  Recently, my ISP had a problemI > > so that some but not all of the nameservers were not reachable.  This I > > crippled my internet access.  I then added another nameserver which I J > > knew was working and---I still couldn't "get out".  I then removed all2 > > the other nameservers, and then things worked. > > K > > What am I doing wrong?  I would think that the purpose of being able to L > > configure more than one nameserver is for failover purposes, i.e. if theE > > first one doesn't work it tries the second.  This obviously isn't  > > working in my case.  > > G > > VMS 7.3-1 (ALPHA) and 7.3 (VAX), Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS  > > Version V5.3 - ECO 4 > I > In general (since I can't speak to UCX directly), I would think it very I > likely that a reboot would be needed to make that kind of change. Never # > tried that with TCPware, either.   > B > I can do it with Multinet while the system is running, but it is > non-trivial.   ???   H SET CONFIG NAME changes the configuration on disk, SET NAME changes the G configuration in memory.  It can be either /SYSTEM (for all processes)  5 or /PROCESS (just forthe process issuing the command.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:41:52 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> % Subject: Re: nameserver configuration 0 Message-ID: <HISdnTUd24y95ZPfRVn-uQ@comcast.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   H >I have several nameservers configured.  Recently, my ISP had a problem G >so that some but not all of the nameservers were not reachable.  This  G >crippled my internet access.  I then added another nameserver which I  H >knew was working and---I still couldn't "get out".  I then removed all / >the other nameservers, and then things worked.  > I >What am I doing wrong?  I would think that the purpose of being able to  J >configure more than one nameserver is for failover purposes, i.e. if the C >first one doesn't work it tries the second.  This obviously isn't   >working in my case. > D >VMS 7.3-1 (ALPHA) and 7.3 (VAX), Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS >Version V5.3 - ECO 4  >  >    > I How many is "several"?   Traditionally, bind has had a limit of three.    H You can add more to the configuration file but only the first three are H used.  I don't know if this applies to this specific implementation but  it's possible.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:16:44 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)% Subject: Re: nameserver configuration ; Message-ID: <420e2bec.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    Phillip Helbig wrote: I > I have several nameservers configured.  Recently, my ISP had a problem  H > so that some but not all of the nameservers were not reachable.  This H > crippled my internet access.  I then added another nameserver which I I > knew was working and---I still couldn't "get out".  I then removed all  0 > the other nameservers, and then things worked. > J > What am I doing wrong?  I would think that the purpose of being able to K > configure more than one nameserver is for failover purposes, i.e. if the  D > first one doesn't work it tries the second.  This obviously isn't  > working in my case.  > E > VMS 7.3-1 (ALPHA) and 7.3 (VAX), Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS  > Version V5.3 - ECO 4    G I think you (or your application) were not patient enough. DNS failover 7 to the next configured nameserver can take two minutes.    cu,    Martin --  >                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  Microsoft wants        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: nameserver configuration B Message-ID: <1108258702.5a93219a61a106fe52d6bbe1e8d105d1@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > H > I have several nameservers configured.  Recently, my ISP had a problemG > so that some but not all of the nameservers were not reachable.  This  > crippled my internet access.  B You may wish to look at timeouts at the resolver side. It has someD configuration parameters of how long it is willing to wait before it% declares a request to be unfulfilled.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:37:24 GMT + From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com>VM Subject: Re: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?)s> Message-ID: <UqwPd.158591$K7.27628@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  A "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in messagee> news:craigberry-A23559.10351812022005@news.isp.giganews.com...@ > In article <FjJOd.155241$K7.61630@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,/ >  "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> wrote:p > ; > > * Implement regular expression code as LIB$ routine(s),l0 > >    say LIB$REGEX and LIB$REGEX_END, that are, > >    modelled on the LIB$FIND_FILE and the! > >    LIB$FIND_FILE_END routines  >$? > Wildcard matching of filenames is only one example of regular @ > expression matching.  Your proposed names conflate the exampleF > with the thing it is an example of.  For filename matching, it would< > be better to just use another bit of the flags argument to2 > LIB$FIND_FILE and call it, say, LIB$M_FIL_REGEX. >   H After posting I realised that such functionaility would probably be moreC appropriately packaged as STR$ routines. Also, I'd intended regularuK expression functionaily to be generally available, not simply used for fileoG searching; the LIB$FILE... examples were suggested as a possible way of-+ packaging regular expression functionality.    >0= > The need for a bundled API that supports regular expressions< > matching is a separate need from a regex filename matching? > capability, though the latter would almost certainly be builtS9 > upon the former.  There are already standard APIs.  Seea: > documentation for the POSIX regular expression API here: >eA > http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7990989775/xsh/regcomp.htmll >eD > There is a Perl-compatible regular expression (PCRE) library here: >  > http://www.pcre.org/ >e8 > PCRE supports the POSIX API as well as having its own,@ > more Perl-like regex API and is free, even for commercial use.> > It's used by Python and a lot of other open source packages. >i  I Yes, I'm familiar with it. However, it's still a third party package, noteG part of the 'core' operating system libraries. Making it so, whether bysH using / adapting existing libraries, or rewriting such code from scratchC [not something I'm advocating, merely outlining as another possiblelH approach] will add legitimacy to this functionality, thus future OpenVMSK application developers will probably not think twice about tapping into it.    > 6 > > * Implement new lexical function(s), say, F$REGEX,6 > >    and F$REGEX_END that use the new LIB$ routines,; > >    thus supplying regular expression support at the DCLn > >    level >eD > Again, regex pattern matching is not necessarily just an alternate; > filename wildcard method.  An alternate way of expressing 8 > wildcards to F$SEARCH would be a different enhancement@ > from adding a lexical that would match patterns in any string. >p  D Sure. My suggestions were intended to ensure that regular expressionE functionality is implemented so as to ensure it is available at *all*- levels:e  4 * BASIC, C, Fortran et al developers call on regular<    expression functionality [thus, no need to decide whether=    to use third party packages as the functionality is there]c  5 * Lexical function(s) additions / modifications would 4    benefit DCL command procedure writers / end-users  * * DCL-level commands like SEARCH that were+    'regex-enhanced' would benefit end-users   L In short, implement the facility so it is a natural extension of the OpenVMSJ operating system. The concept / facility itself may not have originated onL OpenVMS, but it is *so* useful that it would be irresponsible to not use it,G either by pretending it isn't there [i.e. laughed off as simply anotherhI *UNIXism], or by leaving it to individual sites to add this functionalitybG via third party libraries [e.g. PCRE] or utilities packages [e.g. GNV],lD something which each site can still do [but may not, then, have to].   > >t? > > The benefit of a new SEARCH qualifier is that it allows thef> > > user to choose whether regular expressions will be, or not9 > > be, used. And, whether used or not, the command woulds8 > > behave exactly as it does now in terms of the output5 > > produced, so maintaining backwards compatibility.  >i2 > Instead of /REGEX, it might be better to make it >  > /WILDCARD=TRADITIONAL (D)m > /WILDCARD=REGEX. >m  " Yes, I agree - much, much better !   >t9 > Or, if you prefer, PATTERN instead of WILDCARD.  As far2> > as I can see, there is currently in SEARCH no capability for; > matching file contents against patterns of any kind, evenr > traditional VMS wildcards. >d  J No there isn't [as far as I can tell]; the closest you get to this type ofK 'matching power' is the facility for conditionally matching strings via thekI /MATCH qualifier. However, I'm fairly sure, even it is not pattern-based.e  H Again, this would certainly be an improvement on my original suggestion.  B > > And, of course, the benefit of implementing regular expression= > > support at the LIB$ level is that of high performance ands= > > standardisation: it becomes a core OpenVMS feature, not ar > > 'tack on'. >g9 > Agreed.  Adding POSIX regular expression support to the>< > CRTL would be a place to start.  Building a LIB$ interface= > around that for folks using languages other than C would be0- > an added benefit (but it should probably bei1 > STR$MATCH_REGEX rather than in the LIB$ space).r >o   Sure.o   > 6 > Support for pattern matching in SEARCH and via a DCL? > lexical would be nice to have, and regular expressions shouldiC > certainly be at least one of the  pattern matching types offered.w >e  F Yes, I believe it would definitely enhance the user experience [at allG levels: end-user, system adminstrator, application developer] which is,rK after all, the prime aim of implementing such enhancements. Users then have-J one less reason for, perhaps, wanting to use another operating system ? ItG would also put OpenVMS on par with it's competitiors which all nativelyt2 support regular expressions in one way or another.  I For those who would criticise this as an attempt to 'unixify' OpenVMS, mys response is thatG OpenVMS doesn't have to become *NIX in order to better meet user needs,FL merely borrow, adapt, or enhance ideas / facilities which are widely seen asG being useful. It's not as if it's without precedent [e.g. PIPE command, J changes in file naming in ODS-5]. And, after all, it's also only fair: howF may OpenVMS ideas / facilities have been 'borrowed' by *NIX - resource2 quotas, journaling file system - to name but two ?  J A ground-level effort to integrate regular expression support into OpenVMSG also has the advantage of ensuring this proceeds in a systematic - evenaB synergistic - manner. Existing tools become more useful, downwards@ compatility is maintained, and the need for users requiring suchG functionailty to become 'grepniks' and 'Perlisters' greatly diminishes.nH Importantly, an OpenVMS idiom, that of easy to use, English-like command usage, is protected.  D Let's hope something positive follows on from these discussions :) !   Cheers,,  
 Anthony Borlal   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:08:02 -0600e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process?+ Message-ID: <420E5412.444C1ACF@comcast.net>c   Didier Morandi wrote:s > 
 > A question:. > J > What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to someone > else?  > = > Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous?   H If you have the resources, I'm sure the current VMS exec.'s could direct2 you to the proper people to open the negotiations.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsT http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/o   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:43 -0500,# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s( Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process?, Message-ID: <NfqdnfLBbbtDyJPfRVn-ug@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Didier Morandi wrote:l >> >> A question: >>C >> What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to  >> someone else? >>> >> Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous? >tC > If you have the resources, I'm sure the current VMS exec.'s could-; > direct you to the proper people to open the negotiations.      Wayman or Dunn.e   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.j   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:37:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process?B Message-ID: <1108257941.78680ad931c4574112c6bd1d5df4d04b@teranews>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > 
 > A question:S > J > What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to someone > else?l > = > Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous?y  F You hire investment bankers, pay them the big bucks and they will thenF contact HP with the offer. If you go there yourself, as an unknown you will have no credibility.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:12:44 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>I( Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process?B Message-ID: <1108260057.c9f51497ad654d7fb1437f9795981c12@teranews>   John Smith wrote:  > Wayman or Dunn.   E Not enough. You'd need to get a feel from all of the board before youh make a formal offer to the CEO.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:34:44 -0800u( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: VMS Opportunity? / Message-ID: <BE343504.69FF%roktsci@comcast.net>o  K My company (MTI) was born providing inexpensive storage alternatives to VMSaK customers. In the past 12 years we, like the industry, has seen the declinei4 in VMS, and therefore changes our focus accordingly.  C While many customers moved away from VMS, there was a core of those J customers who decided to stay with VMS and continue to be strong customersD for us, still using and maintaining our services for VMS, despite my8 company's labeling our line of VMS products as "Legacy".  L In late 2003 and later very strong in 2004, we are quite definitely seeing aJ trend with our installed VMS base, and that is modernization and increase.F Would you believe that even though we "End-of-Lifed" our CIQBA productH (Q-Bus adapter for CI interconnect for MicroVAX systems) 6 years ago, inL 2004 I sold eight CIQBAs to different customers who were expanding their VAX Cluster systems. Go Figure!e  J Also we have seen that customers who switched to Veritas and/or Legato forE backup solutions, have dropped those products and come back to us for'H Heterogeneous enterprise backup solutions because of one simple feature.F Even though Veritas (no longer supporting VMS) and Legato offer fasterG backup times, they don't offer backup in native VMS backup format, thus6H increasing Disaster recovery time. Our product does backup in native VMSD format (and native UNIX TAR/CPOI formats). This one feature has beenJ responsible for a resurgence in sales for our "Legacy" VMS centric network backup software.  H I have one customer who is running 5.3 of VMS and used our HSM archivingI product for more than 10 years now, and has no intention of going off VMS H for one reason. His system has been up all that time; 24x7x365.24x10 and	 counting.s  
 J. Cameron  G On 2/12/05 10:09 AM, in article 420E4674.748508E4@comcast.net, "David J., Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > Didier Morandi wrote:e >>   >> Tom Linden wrote: >> i >>>  http://tinyurl.com/3r47se >>>  >>  K >> So, who would/could put some $$$ to demonstrate to the IT world that VMSt) >> is a REAL GOOD solution to CyberCrime?t > E > Anyone with the resources to market VMS effectively (i.e., not HP).3 > % >> This would/should boost VMS sales.e > 4 > Another area where HP has shown negative interest.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.087 ************************