0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 91      Contents:) Re: ACMS - How to determine applications? A And you thought those high priced consulting firms were secure...  Re: Cluster assembler ) Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? ) Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? ) Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? 5 Re: Fiorina's executioner - HP director Patricia Dunn  Re: Fixing Carly's Mess  Re: Great newsletter!  Re: Great newsletter!  Re: Great newsletter!  Re: Great newsletter!  Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS?$ I'd heard about this a while back...( Re: I'd heard about this a while back...( RE: I'd heard about this a while back...( Re: I'd heard about this a while back...( Re: I'd heard about this a while back... IBM Linux and Universities Re: IBM Linux and Universities RE: IBM Linux and Universities Re: IBM Linux and Universities RE: IBM Linux and Universities LAN Failover- Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions 1 Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions 1 Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions 1 Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions  Marketing changes at HP  Re: Marketing changes at HP  Re: Marketing changes at HP  Re: Marketing changes at HP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! RE: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP ! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP # Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution # Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution # Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution # Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution # Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution # Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution D Re: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?)D Re: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?) Re: SLS dead SONO A PRIX DISCOUNT; V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Security hardcopy order number ? Re: V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Security hardcopy order number ? Re: V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Security hardcopy order number   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:16:11 -0500 & From: "B Hall" <bill03060@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: ACMS - How to determine applications?0 Message-ID: <AcudnS5_ysuHmozfRVn-tQ@comcast.com>  4 "Hein" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com> wrote in message = news:1108356175.222234.157020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... 3 > Boy, It's been a while that I thought about this.  >  > ----H > I don't suppose you can find a handy fields in an acms provided record > like ACMS$TASK_INFORMATION?  >  > ----- I > Way back when ACMS would set up logical names ACMS$APPLICATION_NAME and 7 > ACMS$SERVER_NAME that you could query with SYS$TRNLNM D > They were undocumented/unsupported back then!Are those still there$ > perhaps? (SHOW LOG in DCL SERVER?) >  > ----- , > how about server logicals in the appl def?E > Couldn't you define your own as server logicals in your application  > definition? For example: > ! >    REPLACE APPLICATION whatever  >    . >    SERVER DEFAULTS ARE >        LOGICAL NAME IS, >            my_application_name = whatever; >    END SERVER DEFAULTS;  >  > ----- C > and somewhat lame/hacky... if you guarantee that applications are G > started in a particular order, then you could use f$getjpi to examine H > the process names, and rely on the fact that ACMS names SP's according# > to which EXC "owns" it.  Suppose: > >        ACMS01EXC004000     is the fourth application started >                   ^ 2 >                   |           for example), then >              .----'  >              VC >        ACMS004SP001000    ... all SP's running for that appl show G > ACMS004 in their process names. Or at least that's how it was back in 
 > 1990 or so. E > Maybe turn that around.... just report the process name and let the F > operator figure out the application through the audit logs / startup > logs?  >  > ------G > or some field you load into a record in every application definitions  > with an 'action'?  >  > fwiw,  > Hein.  >   I The logicals are still there, ACMS$APPLICATION_NAME and ACMS$SERVER_NAME. L You can see them using SDA, setting the process to the server process, then  doing a CLUE PROCESS/LOGICAL.   K You could find the process name using GETJPI and use the ONC RPC calls for   the Remote Manager to lookupE information for that application name.  The Remote Manager calls are  # documented and supported.  There is < also an examples directory to show how to use the RPC calls.  	 Bill Hall ! ACMS Engineering (until 3/31/05)     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:03 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> J Subject: And you thought those high priced consulting firms were secure...B Message-ID: <1108431132.b0f0b1040375eeeb6536b15ef680330f@teranews>  H The article forgot to mention that SAIC is also a darling of wall street. banks because they are so good at security....  G Shouldn't there be some data privacy laws that prevent any confidential < data from being stored on a PC unless the PC is in a vault ?  q > http://news.com.com/ID-theft+alert+follows+break-in+at+federal+contractor/2100-1029_3-5575861.html?tag=nefd.top    ##E Government contractor Science Applications International Corp. warned  stockholders on MondayG that their personal information may be at risk, after desktop computers  holding the information ( were stolen from the company's offices.   A The theft happened Jan. 25, according to the company, and affects H current and former stockholders. SAIC stressed in its statement that the* information may not have been the target.   @ "We have no evidence that the thieves have accessed any personalC information on these computers or that the purpose of the crime was # identity theft," the company said.    D Worries about what happens to private data housed in stolen personalD computers have been highlighted before. In December, thieves stole aC laptop from a California blood bank, putting in jeopardy as many as H 100,000 individuals' personal records. Intruders broke into computers atA the University of California, Berkeley, last year and filched 1.4 : million database records containing identity information.   H The latest incident is a black eye for SAIC, as the company handles manyE security contracts for the government. It stressed, however, that the B security incident occurred at an administrative facility, not at aC building where any government or commercial contracts are handled.    H The company has also sent e-mail notifications to those affected and has8 established a help desk to field queries on the matter.   G "We are troubled that this event has occurred but are working round the L clock to mitigate any impact on our stockholders," SAIC said in its release. ##   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:05:10 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: Cluster assembler, Message-ID: <37ci80F5a46biU1@individual.net>  1 "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht < news:1108400966.392100.95760@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...C > Hi Im assembly a cluster scsi with 2 alphas 1000 under ovms 7.3-1  > F > I put all my licences for cluster in node one and two and execute in > nodo1 @cluster_config  > 
 > I choose >  add > decnet node name :nodo2  > decnet addres :2.3  > will nodo2 be a boot server? Y
 > alloclass:1  > quorumdisk:$1$dka200 > .. > .. > $ > after answered the questions i saw > F > before booting nodo2 you must create a new default bootstrap command > procedure for nodo2  > C > Some one knows if I need execute @cluster_config in nodo2 also..? 0 > How can I boot my node2..?  >>> boot -fl 0   ? > 3 > What is the best steps for assembly my cluster..?  >  > Thanks for all your help > H If you put a cluster together you should decide what kind of cluster you want: ( 1 - common system disk for the two nodes( 2 - each system uses its own system diskD If you run cluster_config the way you did it above it looks like you selected option #1. H In that case the questions you omitted suddenly become rather important.I You should boot node 2 into the system root you created at node 1, that's E the information you skipped, so there's no way to answer the question  concerning the boot flags...   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:41:04 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>2 Subject: Re: DCL call to get shadow member status?+ Message-ID: <curcug$vnd$1@news01.intel.com>    Bart Zorn wrote:  # > Ouch! I cannot let this one pass!  > > > Can you please explain why you use all the single quotes in  > 1 > $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "EXISTS")  >  > The correct syntax is  > . > $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(DSKMBR, "EXISTS") > @ > And by the way, can you explain WHY your code still DOES work? [...]   ;      It's because the '' gobbles itself up, i.e., is a noop -   outside of string context.  Note that both,   ) 	$ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(DSKMBR', "EXISTS")      and,  * 	$ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(''DSKMBR, "EXISTS")  =   also "work" even though the syntax is questionable at best, 
   whereas,  ) 	$ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI('DSKMBR, "EXISTS")   <   fails miserably.  It's very interesting what people manage?   to make "work" in spite of not understanding DCL symbols (and    I've seen much worse!)...   
       -Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:32:48 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: DCL call to get shadow member status?+ Message-ID: <4211513F.40F56D24@comcast.net>    Ken Fairfield wrote: >  > Bart Zorn wrote: > % > > Ouch! I cannot let this one pass!  > > ? > > Can you please explain why you use all the single quotes in  > > 3 > > $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "EXISTS")  > >  > > The correct syntax is  > > 0 > > $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(DSKMBR, "EXISTS") > > B > > And by the way, can you explain WHY your code still DOES work? > [...]  > = >      It's because the '' gobbles itself up, i.e., is a noop / >   outside of string context.  Note that both,  > 2 >         $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(DSKMBR', "EXISTS") >  >   and, > 3 >         $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(''DSKMBR, "EXISTS")  > ? >   also "work" even though the syntax is questionable at best,  >   whereas, > 2 >         $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI('DSKMBR, "EXISTS") > > >   fails miserably.  It's very interesting what people manageA >   to make "work" in spite of not understanding DCL symbols (and  >   I've seen much worse!)...   H Silver star to Ken for his explanation of this harmless syntax faux pas.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:38:03 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>2 Subject: Re: DCL call to get shadow member status?+ Message-ID: <v8eQd.26940$wc.13445@trnddc07>    Ken Fairfield wrote: > Bart Zorn wrote: > $ >> Ouch! I cannot let this one pass! >>> >> Can you please explain why you use all the single quotes in2 >> $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(''DSKMBR', "EXISTS") >> >> The correct syntax is >>/ >> $       MBRSTAT = F$GETDVI(DSKMBR, "EXISTS")  >>A >> And by the way, can you explain WHY your code still DOES work?  >  > [...]  > < >     It's because the '' gobbles itself up, i.e., is a noop. >  outside of string context.  Note that both, > . >     $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(DSKMBR', "EXISTS") >  >  and,  > / >     $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(''DSKMBR, "EXISTS")  > > >  also "work" even though the syntax is questionable at best, >  whereas,  > . >     $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI('DSKMBR, "EXISTS") > = >  fails miserably.  It's very interesting what people manage @ >  to make "work" in spite of not understanding DCL symbols (and >  I've seen much worse!)... >  >      -Ken   F In a log (batch log or @com/output= log), or if DCL verify is enabled,  2       $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI("''DSKMBR'", "EXISTS")  C displays the value of DSKMBR in the log, which is sometimes useful.  On the other hand   -       $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(DSKMBR, "EXISTS")   E makes it clear that the command file is using a symbol for the device E name, and what that symbol is, which might make debugging the command  file easier.  F In either case, F$GETDDVI is a typo - the correct lexical is F$GETDVI.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 13:14:03 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)> Subject: Re: Fiorina's executioner - HP director Patricia Dunn3 Message-ID: <Aa5WW$Rc$1cY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <24819cc3.0502132211.79d94623@posting.google.com>, yamahasw40@latinmail.com (Schmuck) writes:y > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<1108341472.a0ed1a7efb4972ca9375e9c0e4941e6e@teranews>...  > 	 >> At the H >> end of the day, Carly as no excuse and must admite that either Compaq' >> was a mistake or she is incompetant.  > G > I reckon the $42Million dollares she walks away with after 5 years as E > CEO means she achieved her goal... which was to get filthy stinking  > rich.   @ Don't forget the millions she got for pushing through the mergerC with Compaq.  She probably gets some nice freebie finacial services / from the German bank that sealed the deal, too.   F Darn.  I wish I had had more charisma and less competency, I too could/ have been paid huge wads of dough to fail.  ;^p    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 16:56:55 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Fixing Carly's Mess3 Message-ID: <fAcTYawA8wPb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <2A1Qd.56210$uL5.19835@fe2.texas.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:E >    http://www.business2.com/b2/web/articles/0,17863,1026920,00.html J >    Business 2.0 :: Online Article :: Working Tech :: Fixing Carly's Mess >  >   "Fixing Carly's Mess' >    By Owen Thomas,  February 10, 2005  >  >    [snip]  > J >    HP's high-end server lines, like Integrity and NonStop, have sufferedK >    from years of neglect. Some recent moves, like revamping the Integrity J >    line and extending support for the VMS operating system, have pointedK >    in the right direction. More of the same -- much more -- is needed..."   F Yes, of Carly had been coding instead of all that other stuff the port would have gone a lot quicker.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 17:04:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Great newsletter!3 Message-ID: <QTZpE8ppKowN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <1107932088.246540.113120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "pbaker" <pbaker1001@hotmail.com> writes:   ( > Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2005 23:33:10 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Great newsletter!, Message-ID: <37cqpmF58bo1nU1@individual.net>  3 In article <QTZpE8ppKowN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o > In article <1107932088.246540.113120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "pbaker" <pbaker1001@hotmail.com> writes:  > ) >> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com   @ I would have thought that by now you had figured out that google) doesn't really care one way or the other.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 17:47:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Great newsletter!3 Message-ID: <wWAdzK0xLzW1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <37cqpmF58bo1nU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 5 > In article <QTZpE8ppKowN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:p >> In article <1107932088.246540.113120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "pbaker" <pbaker1001@hotmail.com> writes: >>  * >>> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com > B > I would have thought that by now you had figured out that google+ > doesn't really care one way or the other.   . They won't if I am the _only_ one complaining.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:09:29 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: Great newsletter!1 Message-ID: <efWdnZxoHM-WGYzfRVn-3A@adelphia.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:E > In article <1107932088.246540.113120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, + > "pbaker" <pbaker1001@hotmail.com> writes:  >   ( >>Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com  H Don't forget that the SEC is actively arresting people participating in I these Pump and Dump stock promotions.  They track them through the stock  9 trades after they get a report to enforcement(at)sec.gov.   F There is an unconfirmed rumor I saw on one of the anti-spam web sites G that most of the domains of one of the ROSKO listed spammers known for  H having these scams coming out of their netblock went inaccessible today.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:53:47 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? - Message-ID: <87bramrk8k.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    Z <Z@no.spam> writes:   G > How often do you use the word SUBMIT when talking about something you  > need to do in the future?   4 Only when I put a /AFTER at the end of the sentance.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:30:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? B Message-ID: <1108415938.d8eef08fbc259e1acab6513f7e9a7e89@teranews>  I > > How often do you use the word SUBMIT when talking about something you  > > need to do in the future?   B When you submit some paperwork to some government organisation for processing :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 16:45:09 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? 3 Message-ID: <$9h6ROAivwnk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ? In article <7BUPd.1454$6o.1155@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:   	 > Really?  > G > How often do you use the word SUBMIT when talking about something you  > need to do in the future?   B I use it mainly for something someone _else_ needs (in my opinion)F to do in the future.  This month I need to submit my passport renewal.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:24:29 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? + Message-ID: <42114F4D.29C0BB19@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > @ > In article <A0OPd.1312$wt4.38@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes: > > David J Dachtera wrote:  >  > >> "rm" ... "DELETE" > >> "vi" ... "EDIT" > >> "cd" ... "SET DEFAULT"  > >> "ls" ... "DIRECTORY"  > >> "tar" ... "BACKUP"  > >> "cat" ... "TYPE"  > >> "man" ... "HELP"  > >> "ps" ... "SHOW SYSTEM"  > >> "lpr" ... "PRINT" > >> "at" ... "SUBMIT"L > >> (Guess you can tell that at some point I just looked at my HELP displayD > >> and picked out some of the more obviously "intuitive" UN*X-land > >> commands, eh? ;-) > > K > > Again, the VMS commands are more meaningful to you only because of your  > > past VMS experience. > J > No, actually the VMS commands are more meaningful due to past experienceK > with the English language.  Those from some countries might not find that I > helpful, but unless David has been fooling us all this time, he is from  > the United States.   Da, Comrade!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:12:03 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? ; Message-ID: <4210e9f3.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: : > "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:G >> And UNIX arguments are not even worth a comparison of intuitiveness'  >> compared to VMS qualifiers. > F > Again, matter of opinion.  It should be noted, however, that this isE > changing, even as we speak.  More and more Unix commands today have F > full word qualifiers as well as the typical single letter one's many' > of us ar familiar with and like.  :-)  >  > For example:  [cpio with long options snipped]  K But then, you can't abbreviate those on *ix - an awful lot of typing, that.    cu,    Martin --  C                              | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 6   Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI   the Borg have proper       |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ =   networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:57:14 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: I'd heard about this a while back... , Message-ID: <vPmdnSxv45MxjYzfRVn-pQ@igs.net>  ( but didn't know it had come so far along  3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1761779,00.asp   C Maybe the RTR folks ought to get involved, maybe the VMS folks too.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 14:19:19 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 1 Subject: Re: I'd heard about this a while back... B Message-ID: <1108419559.420578.20180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  ? "We now need something that's not proprietary. Banks don't like E proprietary things," Davies told eWEEK during an interview at the Web 9 Services on Wall Street Show & Conference here last week.     1 no wonder we are in trouble ... just wait until a  major security breach hits ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:05:05 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 1 Subject: RE: I'd heard about this a while back... R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F3C4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]=20 ! > Sent: February 14, 2005 5:19 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > Subject: Re: I'd heard about this a while back...  >=20A > "We now need something that's not proprietary. Banks don't like G > proprietary things," Davies told eWEEK during an interview at the Web ; > Services on Wall Street Show & Conference here last week.  >=20 >=203 > no wonder we are in trouble ... just wait until a   > major security breach hits ... >=20  G Yeah, I love those "spokesman" who like to use the "P" word as if it is H a bad thing. Journalists should jump all over spokespeople like this and5 ask them what their idea of proprietary really is.=20   E Imho, a non-proprietary OS is any platform whereby you can get kernel & level fixes from more than one source.  9 Anybody know of any OS platform that meets this criteria?    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:18:44 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: I'd heard about this a while back... , Message-ID: <Q_6dna1cw7yawYzfRVn-gw@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- 9 >> From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com] " >> Sent: February 14, 2005 5:19 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >> Subject: Re: I'd heard about this a while back... >>B >> "We now need something that's not proprietary. Banks don't likeH >> proprietary things," Davies told eWEEK during an interview at the Web< >> Services on Wall Street Show & Conference here last week. >> >>4 >> no wonder we are in trouble ... just wait until a! >> major security breach hits ...  >> > F > Yeah, I love those "spokesman" who like to use the "P" word as if itD > is a bad thing. Journalists should jump all over spokespeople like= > this and ask them what their idea of proprietary really is.  > G > Imho, a non-proprietary OS is any platform whereby you can get kernel ( > level fixes from more than one source. > ; > Anybody know of any OS platform that meets this criteria?     K I just love how this group picks up on journalistic faux pas without seeing F the real issue....what little of the market VMS still has in financialG services will whither away at a faster rate if initiatives such as this E 'open source' AMQ are not embraced in the VMS camp, or indeed a whole 7 littany of similar issues in many different industries.    --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:48:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: I'd heard about this a while back... B Message-ID: <1108438613.e0fbb4cccb6fd0c2b58e4acaea16700a@teranews>   John Smith wrote:    M > I just love how this group picks up on journalistic faux pas without seeing H > the real issue....what little of the market VMS still has in financialI > services will whither away at a faster rate if initiatives such as this G > 'open source' AMQ are not embraced in the VMS camp, or indeed a whole 9 > littany of similar issues in many different industries.      It's all about leadership.  E Companies with leadership will embark on such projects to lead it and F get it off the ground. Others just wait to see if the project gets offH the ground, and in many cases, will be very late to market and will have missed the boat.  < HP is out of the leadership game. They are just the hands ofJ microsoft/intel's leadership. And VMS is certaintly not a priority for HP.  D What is not known is how much initiative/freedom VMS management haveF within HP to enter into such projects as the AMQ thing. And of course,2 how much leaway they have with regards to budgets.  H Consider that they don't even know if they'll have budget to release 8.2E for VAX. Consider they doN't have budgets to upgrade software such as E Xwindows/Motif, don't have enough budget to develop sound drivers for T IA64. So the lack of budget to participate in leadershiop budgets is understandable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:30:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: IBM Linux and Universities B Message-ID: <1108419500.1e59cf81d7637abaee65f56d38a2179c@teranews>  a > http://news.com.com/IBM+taking+open+source+on+world+tour/2100-1029_3-5575099.html?tag=nefd.lede  ##G Buoyed by the success of cooperative ventures promoting Linux in Brazil = and a few other developing countries, IBM plans to spread its ; open-source philosophy to other parts of the globe in 2005.   H The program involves sponsoring faculty awards at universities, erectingD Linux competency centers where local application developers can hone@ their skills, and collaborating with venture capitalists to formE indigenous start-ups that in turn could become the bedrock for local,  autonomous IT activity.  ##    F The article mentions how IBM is focusing on emerging markets with goodB education such as Russia to develop and "catch" skills to foster aA greater ecosystem fotr Linux which IBM can then use to market its G wares/services. (You know stuff Digital used to do in the early 1980s).     E The Linux train is greally gathering steam. If the new HP CEO doesn't H show some real interest in reviving VMS, perhaps it is time to jump shipP before the Linux train leaves town with so much momentum it will be unstoppable.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 14:20:52 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com ' Subject: Re: IBM Linux and Universities C Message-ID: <1108419652.076828.256650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   7 no thanks ... I wouldn't want to be on that linux train  when it jumps the track ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:13:50 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: IBM Linux and Universities R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F3C5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 ! > Sent: February 14, 2005 5:30 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: IBM Linux and Universities  >=20 > >=20@ > http://news.com.com/IBM+taking+open+source+on+world+tour/2100-% > 1029_3-5575099.html?tag=3Dnefd.lede  > ##B > Buoyed by the success of cooperative ventures promoting Linux=20 > in Brazil ? > and a few other developing countries, IBM plans to spread its = > open-source philosophy to other parts of the globe in 2005.  >=206 > The program involves sponsoring faculty awards at=20 > universities, erectingF > Linux competency centers where local application developers can honeB > their skills, and collaborating with venture capitalists to formG > indigenous start-ups that in turn could become the bedrock for local,  > autonomous IT activity.  > ## >=20 >=20H > The article mentions how IBM is focusing on emerging markets with goodD > education such as Russia to develop and "catch" skills to foster aC > greater ecosystem fotr Linux which IBM can then use to market its > > wares/services. (You know stuff Digital used to do in the=20 > early 1980s).  >=20 >=20G > The Linux train is greally gathering steam. If the new HP CEO doesn't @ > show some real interest in reviving VMS, perhaps it is time=20 > to jump ship@ > before the Linux train leaves town with so much momentum it=20 > will be unstoppable. >=20  H Yeah, reminds me of the hype around Windows about 6-7 years ago when theH great analysts of the time were predicting that something like 70-80% of; all servers would be running Windows by the year 2003/4.=20   A I am all for more VMS marketing, but otoh, history has shown that D industry hype around things like Linux (or Windows) does not mean it will come true.  =20   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."       =20    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:13:41 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: IBM Linux and Universities , Message-ID: <_56dnQoB0IxFx4zfRVn-pg@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- 7 >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] " >> Sent: February 14, 2005 5:30 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >> Subject: IBM Linux and Universities >> >>> A >> http://news.com.com/IBM+taking+open+source+on+world+tour/2100- $ >> 1029_3-5575099.html?tag=nefd.lede >> ## @ >> Buoyed by the success of cooperative ventures promoting Linux >> in Brazil@ >> and a few other developing countries, IBM plans to spread its> >> open-source philosophy to other parts of the globe in 2005. >>4 >> The program involves sponsoring faculty awards at >> universities, erecting G >> Linux competency centers where local application developers can hone C >> their skills, and collaborating with venture capitalists to form:H >> indigenous start-ups that in turn could become the bedrock for local, >> autonomous IT activity. >> ##. >> >>D >> The article mentions how IBM is focusing on emerging markets withA >> good education such as Russia to develop and "catch" skills tomB >> foster a greater ecosystem fotr Linux which IBM can then use toG >> market its wares/services. (You know stuff Digital used to do in the  >> early 1980s). >> >>H >> The Linux train is greally gathering steam. If the new HP CEO doesn't> >> show some real interest in reviving VMS, perhaps it is time >> to jump shipa> >> before the Linux train leaves town with so much momentum it >> will be unstoppable.e >> >.F > Yeah, reminds me of the hype around Windows about 6-7 years ago whenD > the great analysts of the time were predicting that something likeD > 70-80% of all servers would be running Windows by the year 2003/4.    8 Ah, Kerry?  .... they are ...in case you hadn't noticed.    C > I am all for more VMS marketing, but otoh, history has shown thatsF > industry hype around things like Linux (or Windows) does not mean it > will come true.     L I don't know what kind of Kool Aid they serve in the company cafeteria up inH Kanata, but you've been drink too much of it. Wake up....come out of theK Diefenbunker (a Great White North code word) and look around....it is true. B It sure isn't pretty or necessarily effective but it's all around.  L Yes, too bad there isn't VMS advertising, but the budget for that walked out@ the door in the form of the Coiffed Cute One's golden parachute.   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:08:07 -0500M' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>l' Subject: RE: IBM Linux and Universities R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F3CE@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20t! > Sent: February 14, 2005 9:14 PMS > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp) > Subject: Re: IBM Linux and Universities  >=20  
 [snip ...]   > >IH > > Yeah, reminds me of the hype around Windows about 6-7 years ago whenF > > the great analysts of the time were predicting that something likeF > > 70-80% of all servers would be running Windows by the year 2003/4. >=20 >=20: > Ah, Kerry?  .... they are ...in case you hadn't noticed. >=20  A Yeah, if you are talking file-print/web/ bit of SQL server stuff.:  H Not in my world which is mid-high end critical stuff .. Sure Windows hasE a bit of a presence there, but also lots of UNIX, mainframe, VMS, NSK A etc. Surely you are not saying that Windows is 80% of ALL mission  critical stuff?w  E To put things in perspective, about 4 years ago, I went to CA World -iG 17,000 people attended. About 3/4 of the sessions I had no idea of whatNE they were about (80% mainframe sessions). Ok, so 4 years ago is a bitAE dated, but it really opened my eyes to an entire world out there thatTG most people have no insight into i.e. how big that "other world" reallye is.   H Heck, at one of my consolidation engagements last year, the Cust had 600G Wintel servers and their target was in the 250 range. The Wintel marketyE is the number one consolidation target by almost all med-large Cust'sI
 right now.  F Yes, Windows will have a place. Yes, Linux will have a place. However,@ any analyst that thinks a single platform is going to completely< dominate in the next few years is dreaming in techno-colour.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantr HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax: 613-591-4477a kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 11:53:16 -0800 From: Ouk@netscape.net Subject: LAN Failover C Message-ID: <1108410796.171685.101350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hi,n  E I've been asked to evaluate the possibility of using the LAN FailoverhC functionality that arrived in 7.3-2. I'm familiar with NetRAIN in a.F Tru64 environment and from the descriptions I've read so far, it would appear similar.   D The 7.3-2 New Features manual gives an overview and suggests reading< the System Manager's Manual, the System Management UtilitiesB Reference Manual and the I/O User's Reference Manual. These guidesC (although there appears to be no mention of LAN Failover in the I/OiB Users Reference Guide) give an overview and detail how to create a> failover set, but miss out a lot of the background detail. EG:  G * What changes are made to the MAC address when the NICs are added to at set?9 * How does the mechanism that detects a NIC failure work?oF * Recommended MAC address aging times for connected ethernet switches?  B Can anyone point me to any documentation on LAN Failover that I've missed?-  G Is anyone aware of any known problems with running DECNet, TCP/IP, LLC2m! or GAP on top a Lan Failover set?y   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:21:07 GMTs& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>6 Subject: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions- Message-ID: <nv9Qd.30$yf6.8@news.cpqcorp.net>l  I Sue stopped by my office and asked if I was going to submit any sessions eE for this years technical bootcamp.  She's collecting submissions now.   I Inside of just guessing what people might want to see from me, I thought t9 I'd ask this group and hope for some reasonable comments.5  > At last years bootcamp, I have a 1.5hr session on the Itanium I instruction set (or at least the quick summary of the instructios you're rB likely to see from the compilers), a 1hr session on How To Read A I Machine Code Listing which mostly deals with linker relocations, address p@   constants, calling sequences, etc., and a session on compiler H comparsion between OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 (which is mostly C and  C++ material).  G So, should I repeat these?  Now that V8.2 is really out there and more eB people might have real experience, these certainly still might be  reasonable.n  7 Any other compiler-related topic you might want to see?e   -- r John Reaganu/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderi Hewlett-Packard Company,   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 17:07:48 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions3 Message-ID: <a+VnO3Z1crEe@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  V In article <nv9Qd.30$yf6.8@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  9 > Any other compiler-related topic you might want to see?s  > An in-depth look at ELF, DWARF and the VMS extensions thereto.< (I think that is either 3 or 4 sessions, and it is certainly* possible I am the only one interested :-).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:16:35 -0800s4 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>: Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions% Message-ID: <1108433709.756565@smirk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > In article <nv9Qd.30$yf6.8@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan-  > <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:e  : >> Any other compiler-related topic you might want to see?  @ > An in-depth look at ELF, DWARF and the VMS extensions thereto.> > (I think that is either 3 or 4 sessions, and it is certainly, > possible I am the only one interested :-).  ? I would also attend this, but I'm just as crazy as Larry.   :-)    Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:05:57 GMTn1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>n: Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions+ Message-ID: <pGdQd.26867$wc.20504@trnddc07>r  & I'd make it a third for the ELF stuff.  L Perhaps something about compiler performance -- instead of the stuff you nowK get with the HP 7.1 C++ release notes -- your images will be bigger, but we 4 don't have any guidelines except to raise PGFLQUOTA.  J In case you have influence in other areas, other topics of interest to me:  ? 1) EFI booting -- what's really happening under the hood in sayr VMS_LOADER.EFIL 2) C-RTL futures -- when will I get a spoon with my fork (poor joke, I know)- 3) How long are you going to sell new Alphas?s 4) APACHE/TOMCAT futures   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:49:42 -0500k- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>t  Subject: Marketing changes at HPB Message-ID: <1108431466.f376655cbcfae0b4b321ad0e70537bdc@teranews>  3 Allison Johnson has left HP to go (back) to Apple. k  ` > http://news.com.com/HP+exec+follows+Fiorina+out+the+door/2100-1010_3-5575413.html?tag=nefd.top   ##D Allison Johnson, HP's senior vice president of marketing, was one ofC Fiorina's closest advisers at the company, having led the company's F public-relations campaign during the contentious proxy battle over theB acquisition of Compaq Computer as well as the "+HP = everything isA possible" advertising campaign that followed the deal's closure. S ##   And now , for the good news:   ##D In an e-mail to staff Monday afternoon, Chief Marketing Officer MikeF Winkler said that for the time being, the leadership of HP's corporateD marketing team will report to him. He also reiterated that Johnson's1 move was planned prior to Fiorina's resignation. h ##   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:03:41 -0600T2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: Marketing changes at HP+ Message-ID: <4211587D.25E9DD36@comcast.net>R   JF Mezei wrote:a > 4 > Allison Johnson has left HP to go (back) to Apple. > b > > http://news.com.com/HP+exec+follows+Fiorina+out+the+door/2100-1010_3-5575413.html?tag=nefd.top >  > ##F > Allison Johnson, HP's senior vice president of marketing, was one ofE > Fiorina's closest advisers at the company, having led the company'seH > public-relations campaign during the contentious proxy battle over theD > acquisition of Compaq Computer as well as the "+HP = everything isB > possible" advertising campaign that followed the deal's closure. > ## >  > And now , for the good news: >  > ##F > In an e-mail to staff Monday afternoon, Chief Marketing Officer MikeH > Winkler said that for the time being, the leadership of HP's corporateF > marketing team will report to him. He also reiterated that Johnson's2 > move was planned prior to Fiorina's resignation. > ##  H It's only good news when Winkler or someone else announces the number ofG hundreds of millions HP is going to pour into VMS promotional campaignsiD to make up for decades of neglect and to protect HP's investments in Itanic and the I64 port.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/V  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/h   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:07:16 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r$ Subject: Re: Marketing changes at HP, Message-ID: <_56dnQsB0IxFx4zfRVn-pg@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:S > JF Mezei wrote:a >>5 >> Allison Johnson has left HP to go (back) to Apple.r >> >>>nL http://news.com.com/HP+exec+follows+Fiorina+out+the+door/2100-1010_3-5575413 .html?tag=nefd.top >> >> ##/G >> Allison Johnson, HP's senior vice president of marketing, was one of-F >> Fiorina's closest advisers at the company, having led the company'sE >> public-relations campaign during the contentious proxy battle overrF >> the acquisition of Compaq Computer as well as the "+HP = everythingF >> is possible" advertising campaign that followed the deal's closure. >> ##n >> >> And now , for the good news:h >> >> ##oG >> In an e-mail to staff Monday afternoon, Chief Marketing Officer Miker? >> Winkler said that for the time being, the leadership of HP's"G >> corporate marketing team will report to him. He also reiterated that = >> Johnson's move was planned prior to Fiorina's resignation., >> ##i > G > It's only good news when Winkler or someone else announces the number B > of hundreds of millions HP is going to pour into VMS promotionalA > campaigns to make up for decades of neglect and to protect HP'ss) > investments in Itanic and the I64 port.     
 Winkler?!???!A   ROTFLMHO Howls of derisive laughter --  - OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:21:48 -0600   From: Mike <mwjenkins@excel.com>$ Subject: Re: Marketing changes at HP8 Message-ID: <k15311dkjhrl269qfesuc6ffj0dimqmvop@4ax.com>  J Thank you, David.  A wonderful shot in the arm, for an otherwise blue day.   Mike Jenkins    3 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:A   >JF Mezei wrote: >> I5 >> Allison Johnson has left HP to go (back) to Apple.  >> bc >> > http://news.com.com/HP+exec+follows+Fiorina+out+the+door/2100-1010_3-5575413.html?tag=nefd.tope >>   >> ##eG >> Allison Johnson, HP's senior vice president of marketing, was one ofoF >> Fiorina's closest advisers at the company, having led the company'sI >> public-relations campaign during the contentious proxy battle over theoE >> acquisition of Compaq Computer as well as the "+HP = everything isnC >> possible" advertising campaign that followed the deal's closure.m >> ##e >>   >> And now , for the good news:1 >> 9 >> ##sG >> In an e-mail to staff Monday afternoon, Chief Marketing Officer Mike<I >> Winkler said that for the time being, the leadership of HP's corporate9G >> marketing team will report to him. He also reiterated that Johnson'sr3 >> move was planned prior to Fiorina's resignation.> >> ##m >aI >It's only good news when Winkler or someone else announces the number ofsH >hundreds of millions HP is going to pour into VMS promotional campaignsE >to make up for decades of neglect and to protect HP's investments ino >Itanic and the I64 port.e  & http://www.geocities.com/mwjenkins001/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:33:03 -0500, From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUPQ Message-ID: <OFC2B75F30.1CB14810-ON85256FA8.006B4419-85256FA8.006BB216@metso.com>-  C brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote on 02/14/2005 01:15:50 PM:    > VMS V7.2-1h1 Alpha> > I mount various disks drives in the following command files: >m >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM! >   SYS$MANAGER:SYPAGSWPFILES.COMm >   SYS$MANAGER:SYSECURITY.COM! >   SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMu >e >   (basic order of startup) >0K > In all cases, the disks being mounted are always online as they are being B > served by HSG80 controllers - so there is not spin-up wait time. >aE > I started thinking why not mount all the disk drives in one commandk
 > file rather K > than the multiple locations as is now.  I was thinking that either one ofe then, > following would be ideal for this purpose: >  >   SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM >e3 > I am aware that if I use SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM ( > I would need to execute the following: >a( >   $ MCR SYSMAN SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE > E > The reason to use SYCONFIG is to keep the startup strategy in tact.7 >: > By Startup Strategy I mean:o/ >   - in SYLOGICALS perform logical definitionsl7 >   - in SYPAGESWPFILES perform page/swap file installsg
 >   - etc. >eG > I tend to believe that there should be a separate startup process forr mountingK > disks - since most everything you do at startup requires not only CPU and-K > Memory but Disk drives as well.  Pretty much a rudimentary requirement toi have7 > your disk drives mounted prior to completing startup.c >F >o6 > Any thoughts on using either SYCONFIG or SYLOGICALS?  B Just be sure (as has been repeated elsewhere) that if you pick one< executed with startup_p1 = "MIN " that you test for that and@ do the right thing - which is almost never to go ahead and mount all the disks.   >e >oB > Anyone doing something similar they would care to share with us? >o >e > TIA' >e >y > John "REBOOT" Brandonr > VMS Systems Administratorh, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:21:32 -0800s, From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP+ Message-ID: <cur18c$po8$1@news01.intel.com>-   John Brandon wrote:2   > VMS V7.2-1h1 Alpha> > I mount various disks drives in the following command files: >  >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM! >   SYS$MANAGER:SYPAGSWPFILES.COMa >   SYS$MANAGER:SYSECURITY.COM! >   SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMs7 [...snip comments about what goes on where and when...]p  ?      Traditionally, I think most sites use SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM to A mount "general" disks.  SYPAGESWPFILES.COM has an obvious use andm< it probably is desirable to get your page/swap disks mounted before application startup.c  =      I've had only one case where I needed to mount a disk ina8 SYLOGICALS rather than later on: in a mixed-architecture= VMScluster where the cluster-common version of SYLOGICALS and-? SYSTARTUP_VMS were held on a particular shadowset.  The storage B was all CI-hosted (HSJs) and MSCP-served to satellite VAXstations.A I had to add logical, even for the CI-attached nodes, to wait foriB this disk to EXIST and become available (AVL) before attempting to< mount it.  I presume that had something to do with timing as? SYLOGICALS comes just after SYCONFIG, and the CONFIGURE processtC may still have been working on discovering devices (or something?).u  =      In other words, there are potential issues if you try to @ mount too early.  Is there a reason you don't want to wait until SYSTARTUP_VMS?   	-Keno -- a6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldt! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:04:26 +0000 (UTC)-P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP$ Message-ID: <cur3op$m9p$1@online.de>  E In article <05021412155024@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.comU (John Brandon) writes: o  K > In all cases, the disks being mounted are always online as they are beingnB > served by HSG80 controllers - so there is not spin-up wait time.  F I have just normal SCSI disks, and spin-up wait time is not really an  issue.  Q > I started thinking why not mount all the disk drives in one command file rathereO > than the multiple locations as is now.  I was thinking that either one of ther, > following would be ideal for this purpose: >  >   SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM > 3 > I am aware that if I use SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COMe( > I would need to execute the following: > ( >   $ MCR SYSMAN SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE > E > The reason to use SYCONFIG is to keep the startup strategy in tact.a  ) Can you elabourate on this last sentence?    > By Startup Strategy I mean:o/ >   - in SYLOGICALS perform logical definitions 7 >   - in SYPAGESWPFILES perform page/swap file installs 
 >   - etc. > P > I tend to believe that there should be a separate startup process for mountingK > disks - since most everything you do at startup requires not only CPU and<P > Memory but Disk drives as well.  Pretty much a rudimentary requirement to have7 > your disk drives mounted prior to completing startup.    I agree.  6 > Any thoughts on using either SYCONFIG or SYLOGICALS?  H I have a procedure called MOUNT.COM which resides on a disk which is notC a system disk for any node in the cluster (actually, it is the useraD disk).  This also contains SYSUAF and other such files.  The idea isG that these should be common across the cluster, so there is no point in.C having them on a) just one system disk or b) maintained in multiple0B copies on several system disks.  I mount all disks but 2 here (see below).    In SYLOGICALS.COM, I have:   $  SET NOONE $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" $  SHOW TIME $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""L $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "waiting to make sure all cluster members are available"4 $  WAIT 0:2:0 ! give all members a chance to show up $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" $  SHOW TIME $MOUNT_USER_DISK:t  $  IF F$GETSYI("CLUSTER_MEMBER") $  THENo' $    MOUNT/CLUSTER/NOASSIST/NOREBUILD -d3       DSA510:/SHADOW=($22$DKA500:,$44$DKA400:) USERm# $    IF F$GETDVI("DISK$USER","MNT") 	 $    THENy> $      FILE := DISK$USER:[SYSTEM.MANAGER]CLUSTER_WIDE_DEFS.COM/ $      IF F$SEARCH(FILE) .NES. "" THEN @ 'FILE' 	 $    ELSEg $      WAIT 0:0:10 $GOTO MOUNT_USER_DISKi
 $    ENDIF $  LICENSE LOAD, $  ENDIF  H DISK$USER:[SYSTEM.MANAGER]CLUSTER_WIDE_DEFS.COM contains stuff like the D definition of SYSUAF (see the comments in SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE).  In  SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, I have:  $ $  FILE := CLUSTER_MANAGER:MOUNT.COM+ $  IF F$SEARCH(FILE) .NES. "" THEN @ 'FILE'f  A Apart from DISK$USER which is mounted in SYLOGICALS.COM since it i@ contains the definitions of logicals which should be defined in D SYLOGICALS.COM, I mount all disks in MOUNT.COM except for swap/page G disks, which I mount in SYPAGSWPFILES.COM.  Obviously, MOUNT.COM can't rA mount the disk on which it itself resides, so it is mounted from  I SYLOGICALS.COM, which is needed anyway since it contains the definitions h of the logicals.  I SYPAGSWPFILES.COM is executed earlier than SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, so I mount >G page and swap files there.  (I also (re)mount these disks on all nodes >H in MOUNT.COM.)  Note that DISK$USER is only executed if the system is a D cluster member.  I have this in primarily so that if the machine is I temporarily out of the cluster, it doesn't bother.  SYSUAF etc then have iG their default definitions (and rudimentary files which provide what is  F needed when the machine is being run standalone).  On the other hand, G page and swap files should always be mounted, even in standalone mode, t) another reason to do this somewhere else.r   MOUNT.COM has commands likes  @    $    CALL MNT DSA520:/SHADOW=($22$DKA200:,$33$DKA300:)   SOFT   $MNT: SUBROUTINE $!
 $    DEV = P1- $    LABEL = P2m$ $    IF P3 .NES. "" THEN LOGNAM = P3G $!       If this is a shadow set, mount it everywhere, unconditionally.aG $!       This allows system-disk shadow sets to be mounted on all nodes F $!       at startup, which won't happen otherwise since they will showF $!       up as mounted by the time this procedure is called.  Also, ifB $!       one member goes away and comes back, this will allow thatD $!       member to be added to the shadow set (although MOUNT/SYSTEME $!       would be sufficient in such cases).  Note that they can't be-F $!       checked for existence, since the number is arbitrary, i.e. ifE $!       the shadow set has not been mounted since boot, it will show2G $!       up as non-existent.  However, if the cluster is healthy enough G $!       that this procedure is called, then at least one member shouldK $!       be available.& $    IF F$EXTRACT(0,3,DEV) .EQS. "DSA"	 $    THEN  $      QUAL = "/CLUSTER" $      GOTO MOUNT_IT	 $    ELSEwL $!     Can't mount a device if it doesn't exist (probably host isn't up yet)  $      IF F$GETDVI(DEV,"EXISTS") $      THENm $!       Check host_avail?? $        IF F$GETDVI(DEV,"AVL") .AND. .NOT. F$GETDVI(DEV,"MNT")s
 $        THEN3B $          IF F$GETDVI(DEV,"HOST_NAME") .EQS. F$GETSYI("NODENAME") $          THENs $            QUAL = "/CLUSTER" $          ELSE@ $            QUAL = "/SYSTEM"e $          ENDIF $          GOTO MOUNT_IT $        ENDIF $      ENDIF
 $    ENDIF	 $    EXITl
 $MOUNT_IT:H $!   Note that the following will always be true for shadow sets.  Thus,? $!   the following check still allows shadow sets to be mountedh $!   unconditionally.a5 $!   If we host the device then mount it clusterwide:0" $    ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN CONTINUE; $    MOUNT/NOASSIST/NOREBUILD 'QUAL' 'DEV' 'LABEL' 'LOGNAM' 	 $    EXITe $ENDSUBROUTINE  & SYPAGSWPFILES.COM contains stuff like:   $ LOOP1: $   ON WARNING THEN GOTO LOOP1 $   WAIT 0000 00:00:00.50s* $   READY1 = F$GETDVI("$33$DKA200:","AVL")* $   READY2 = F$GETDVI("$33$DKA500:","AVL")F $   IF READY1 .EQS. "FALSE" .AND. READY2 .EQS. "FALSE" THEN GOTO LOOP1L $  MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA233:/SHADOW=($33$DKA200:,$33$DKA500:) SWAPPAGE_35 $! note that DISK$PAGE, DISK$SWAP are not yet definedP $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGEN66 INSTALL DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]PAGEFILE2.SYS/PAGEFILE6 INSTALL DISK$SWAPPAGE_3:[GLADIA]SWAPFILE2.SYS/SWAPFILE EXIT $ EXIT   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:09:38 +0000 (UTC)1P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP$ Message-ID: <cur42i$m9p$2@online.de>  9 In article <cur18c$po8$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield:! <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: s  A >      Traditionally, I think most sites use SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM tovC > mount "general" disks.  SYPAGESWPFILES.COM has an obvious use and > > it probably is desirable to get your page/swap disks mounted > before application startup.i   Right.  ? >      I've had only one case where I needed to mount a disk in : > SYLOGICALS rather than later on: in a mixed-architecture? > VMScluster where the cluster-common version of SYLOGICALS and 6 > SYSTARTUP_VMS were held on a particular shadowset.    I I don't suppose it's relevant that is is mixed-architecture (except that sF if it is mixed-architecture, one must have more than one system disk, I but even in a non-mixed cluster one can, and probably should (unless one gE has one logical disk which is a multi-site shadow set, only possible w with expensive hardware).e  
 > The storage D > was all CI-hosted (HSJs) and MSCP-served to satellite VAXstations.C > I had to add logical, even for the CI-attached nodes, to wait foraD > this disk to EXIST and become available (AVL) before attempting to> > mount it.  I presume that had something to do with timing asA > SYLOGICALS comes just after SYCONFIG, and the CONFIGURE processrE > may still have been working on discovering devices (or something?).   F In my case, almost all logical disks are shadow sets with the members G directly connected to different nodes (except for system and page/swap aE disks, where all members are on one node).  An availability check is eI needed in case the nodes serving the shadow members (which might even be oI different than the node booting) might not be up yet (think of a cluster h4 reboot where the nodes come up at different speeds).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:53:57 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP1 Message-ID: <05021416535725@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  & helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de wrote:G > > The reason to use SYCONFIG is to keep the startup strategy in tact.g+ > Can you elabourate on this last sentence?   H As I tried to explain in the first thread - each startup routine has itsN purpose.  I guess I am expanding on the intent of SYCONFIG by making it a diskN startup procedure - right or wrong - I just got it in my head that SYCONFIG is' the right procedure to mount the disks.t    & helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de wrote:J > I have a procedure called MOUNT.COM which resides on a disk which is notE > a system disk for any node in the cluster (actually, it is the user F > disk).  This also contains SYSUAF and other such files.  The idea isI > that these should be common across the cluster, so there is no point ingE > having them on a) just one system disk or b) maintained in multiplepD > copies on several system disks.  I mount all disks but 2 here (see
 > below).   O I use a similiar concept - I called mine DISKS$MOUNT_STARTUP.COM.  However I dosO not hard-code my devices.  The procedure reads a text file (DISKS_DATABASE.DAT)1H that contains pertinent information for each device (device name, label,N logical, and shadowset.)  The procedure will perorm checks on the device priorA to mount and reports back any problems prior and after the mount.   F I created a CLUSTER$DISK that contains all my common startup routines.M The SYLOGICALS and SYSTARTUP_VMS reference this disk for the startup routines  and executes them.  K So we have similiar concepts in startup routines.  Just different names andr= variants on hard-coding (I hate it when I have to hard-code).l    - Ken Fairfield [my.full.name@intel.com] wrote:l? > Is there a reason you don't want to wait until SYSTARTUP_VMS?   M I feel that one routine should be responsible for mounting all your disks.  IoK view disks no differently than CPU or Memory.  Therefore my disks should be * mounted very early in the startup process.  O Mounting them in (say) SYCONFIG I avoid having to put the same mount mechanisms 3 in SYLOGICALS, SYPAGSWPFILES, SYSECURITY, SYSTARTUPw( Why not just have them in ONE procedure?  N It is easier to manage.  And if I happen to shuffle my startup disks around itJ will be transparent to the startup - as long as I do not change the volume label then I am in good shape.         John "REBOOT" Brandoni VMS Systems Administratorn* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:29 -0500w' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>u* Subject: RE: Mounting disks during STARTUPR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F3C3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: John Brandon [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]=20! > Sent: February 14, 2005 5:54 PM. > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma, > Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP >=20 [snip..]   John,2  E Only comment I would make wrt to the disk mounting is that if you useuD the "/norebuild" mount qualifier to speed up start-up times, then at? some point in the start-up sequence, you might want to considermB submitting a batch job to run later in the day to do a "set volumeF /rebuild" on each volume to reset the disk quota/cache info etc. SinceG the drives do not need to be taken offline, this can be done during the  off /quiet hours.5   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660i Fax: 613-591-4477n kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:28 -0600u2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP+ Message-ID: <42115708.BE888AD2@comcast.net>a   John Brandon wrote:  > ( > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de wrote:I > > > The reason to use SYCONFIG is to keep the startup strategy in tact.f- > > Can you elabourate on this last sentence?  > J > As I tried to explain in the first thread - each startup routine has itsP > purpose.  I guess I am expanding on the intent of SYCONFIG by making it a diskP > startup procedure - right or wrong - I just got it in my head that SYCONFIG is) > the right procedure to mount the disks.   C I try to keep as much of the "user-land" stuff in SYSTARTUP_VMS and D later. I like to do page/swap files in SYPAGSWPFILES, but some of myA application vendors have a problem with this (they want to retain  control of the environment).  E Also, during SYCONFIG, as you noted, that actual configuration phaseso are somewhat incomplete.  H I interpret SYCONFIG as good place for GK devices, MG devices  and otherE stuff that I'd want to have even when I choose to skip SYSTARTUP_VMS,   but still do a full VMS startup.  ( > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de wrote:L > > I have a procedure called MOUNT.COM which resides on a disk which is notG > > a system disk for any node in the cluster (actually, it is the userRH > > disk).  This also contains SYSUAF and other such files.  The idea isK > > that these should be common across the cluster, so there is no point inmG > > having them on a) just one system disk or b) maintained in multiple F > > copies on several system disks.  I mount all disks but 2 here (see > > below).t > Q > I use a similiar concept - I called mine DISKS$MOUNT_STARTUP.COM.  However I dogQ > not hard-code my devices.  The procedure reads a text file (DISKS_DATABASE.DAT)xJ > that contains pertinent information for each device (device name, label,P > logical, and shadowset.)  The procedure will perorm checks on the device priorC > to mount and reports back any problems prior and after the mount.n  A I tried to do something similar, but it never evolved into what InH wanted. I posted here very long ago (about six years) about a facility IG had dubbed "Shadow-Set Constituency Knowledge Base" (SSCKB, for short),aB but other posters immediately started asking questions that seemedD inappropriate to something written in DCL to manipulate and use dataE about which volumes belong to which shadow-set, what the correct MSCPsH host (of FC path) should be, where appropriate, etc. I've kept to myselfF about it since. There's even a CHKDSK procedure to flag such things asE missing shadow-sets and/or members, devices with the wrong MSCP host, . shadow copies and/or merges in progress,  etc.  H > I created a CLUSTER$DISK that contains all my common startup routines.O > The SYLOGICALS and SYSTARTUP_VMS reference this disk for the startup routines  > and executes them.  E Do you also isolate such files as the UAF, RIGHTSLIST, NET*PROXY, thet queue database, and so on?  M > So we have similiar concepts in startup routines.  Just different names and.? > variants on hard-coding (I hate it when I have to hard-code).   F Same here, but that's what I encounter the most out here in the field.D Cut-and-paste, redundant code - difficult or impossible to maintain.  / > Ken Fairfield [my.full.name@intel.com] wrote:tA > > Is there a reason you don't want to wait until SYSTARTUP_VMS?o > O > I feel that one routine should be responsible for mounting all your disks.  IoM > view disks no differently than CPU or Memory.  Therefore my disks should bes, > mounted very early in the startup process. > Q > Mounting them in (say) SYCONFIG I avoid having to put the same mount mechanismse5 > in SYLOGICALS, SYPAGSWPFILES, SYSECURITY, SYSTARTUPn* > Why not just have them in ONE procedure? > P > It is easier to manage.  And if I happen to shuffle my startup disks around itL > will be transparent to the startup - as long as I do not change the volume  > label then I am in good shape.  H How 'bout those startup-time scenarios where you don't want the disks toG mount? For example: last weekend, I did a system migration from the oldnG datacenter to the new where I didn't want the second shadow-set members G to MOUNT until the system had been up for validation and we had decided B to forsake any back-outs. The shadow-copies took about 36 hours toE finish up totally, and I expected as much; so, I didn't want to startoE something I'd have to abort later on if things didn't go right and wea had to back out of the move.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsb http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:t" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/f   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:19:27 GMT - From: "Carl Bennett" <carltbennett@yahoo.com>f* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP, Message-ID: <jLeQd.21966$ya6.19588@trndny01>   I tend to agree with David...p  K Unless I am doing a quorum disk, (which gets stuck in SYLOGICALS so that I kH can set up the roots for SYSUAF, QMAN$MASTER, etc... ), I like to mount L disks under a separate com file near the end of SYSTARTUP. It just makes it D easier if you ever have to get in and cut the startup off before it  finishes...W  L We also use a source file that gets opened and read for instructions on how L to rebuild disks at startup... makes it really handy for all of the KZPAC's I that we've been retiring lately to only have one file to update when the t ultra-scsi comes in...  L SYCONFIG would be ok, if it was just one or two systems that I got to be in E front of all the time, but I couldn't imagine trying to talk a night yE operator through editing that file when the pager goes off at 2 am...      carlbennett<>users.com      @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:42115708.BE888AD2@comcast.net...n > John Brandon wrote:e >>) >> helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de wrote:eJ >> > > The reason to use SYCONFIG is to keep the startup strategy in tact.. >> > Can you elabourate on this last sentence? >>K >> As I tried to explain in the first thread - each startup routine has itsoM >> purpose.  I guess I am expanding on the intent of SYCONFIG by making it a t >> disksF >> startup procedure - right or wrong - I just got it in my head that  >> SYCONFIG is* >> the right procedure to mount the disks. >/E > I try to keep as much of the "user-land" stuff in SYSTARTUP_VMS and F > later. I like to do page/swap files in SYPAGSWPFILES, but some of myC > application vendors have a problem with this (they want to retaine > control of the environment). >eG > Also, during SYCONFIG, as you noted, that actual configuration phasesn > are somewhat incomplete. > J > I interpret SYCONFIG as good place for GK devices, MG devices  and otherG > stuff that I'd want to have even when I choose to skip SYSTARTUP_VMS, " > but still do a full VMS startup. >-) >> helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de wrote:1J >> > I have a procedure called MOUNT.COM which resides on a disk which is  >> > notH >> > a system disk for any node in the cluster (actually, it is the userI >> > disk).  This also contains SYSUAF and other such files.  The idea is L >> > that these should be common across the cluster, so there is no point inH >> > having them on a) just one system disk or b) maintained in multipleG >> > copies on several system disks.  I mount all disks but 2 here (seet >> > below). >>E >> I use a similiar concept - I called mine DISKS$MOUNT_STARTUP.COM. t >> However I doy> >> not hard-code my devices.  The procedure reads a text file  >> (DISKS_DATABASE.DAT)RK >> that contains pertinent information for each device (device name, label,eL >> logical, and shadowset.)  The procedure will perorm checks on the device  >> priorD >> to mount and reports back any problems prior and after the mount. > C > I tried to do something similar, but it never evolved into what IoJ > wanted. I posted here very long ago (about six years) about a facility II > had dubbed "Shadow-Set Constituency Knowledge Base" (SSCKB, for short),-D > but other posters immediately started asking questions that seemedF > inappropriate to something written in DCL to manipulate and use dataG > about which volumes belong to which shadow-set, what the correct MSCPjJ > host (of FC path) should be, where appropriate, etc. I've kept to myselfH > about it since. There's even a CHKDSK procedure to flag such things asG > missing shadow-sets and/or members, devices with the wrong MSCP host,r0 > shadow copies and/or merges in progress,  etc. >oI >> I created a CLUSTER$DISK that contains all my common startup routines. H >> The SYLOGICALS and SYSTARTUP_VMS reference this disk for the startup  >> routines- >> and executes them.- > G > Do you also isolate such files as the UAF, RIGHTSLIST, NET*PROXY, theV > queue database, and so on? >LK >> So we have similiar concepts in startup routines.  Just different names s >> and@ >> variants on hard-coding (I hate it when I have to hard-code). >eH > Same here, but that's what I encounter the most out here in the field.F > Cut-and-paste, redundant code - difficult or impossible to maintain. >a0 >> Ken Fairfield [my.full.name@intel.com] wrote:B >> > Is there a reason you don't want to wait until SYSTARTUP_VMS? >>G >> I feel that one routine should be responsible for mounting all your L >> disks.  IL >> view disks no differently than CPU or Memory.  Therefore my disks should  >> bem- >> mounted very early in the startup process.  >>H >> Mounting them in (say) SYCONFIG I avoid having to put the same mount 
 >> mechanisms@6 >> in SYLOGICALS, SYPAGSWPFILES, SYSECURITY, SYSTARTUP+ >> Why not just have them in ONE procedure?- >>H >> It is easier to manage.  And if I happen to shuffle my startup disks  >> around itG >> will be transparent to the startup - as long as I do not change the  	 >> volume ! >> label then I am in good shape.r >pJ > How 'bout those startup-time scenarios where you don't want the disks toI > mount? For example: last weekend, I did a system migration from the old I > datacenter to the new where I didn't want the second shadow-set membershI > to MOUNT until the system had been up for validation and we had decidedoD > to forsake any back-outs. The shadow-copies took about 36 hours toG > finish up totally, and I expected as much; so, I didn't want to start5G > something I'd have to abort later on if things didn't go right and we  > had to back out of the move. >. > -- / > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems0 > http://www.djesys.com/ >d+ > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ >n* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s >m$ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >p > Coming soon:) > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:40:52 -0800o From: Z <Z@no.spam> * Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP) Message-ID: <S8fQd.1809$Dj1.998@fe07.lga>h   Carl Bennett wrote:r > I tend to agree with David...  > M > Unless I am doing a quorum disk, (which gets stuck in SYLOGICALS so that I tJ > can set up the roots for SYSUAF, QMAN$MASTER, etc... ), I like to mount N > disks under a separate com file near the end of SYSTARTUP. It just makes it F > easier if you ever have to get in and cut the startup off before it 
 > finishes...   ? ... or a shadowed system disk. I put that $MOUNT in SYLOGICALS.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:53:29 -05002- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> * Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP1 Message-ID: <m4udncY2_qPRHYzfRVn-rw@adelphia.com>i   John Brandon wrote:v > Q > I started thinking why not mount all the disk drives in one command file rather O > than the multiple locations as is now.  I was thinking that either one of the , > following would be ideal for this purpose: >  >   SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM  G Putting disk mount commands in SYCONFIG.COM is one of the best ways to e break AUTOGEN.COM.  B Do not modify SYCONFIG.COM unless you understand exactly what the $ consequences of modifying that file.  / When you run AUTOGEN, it executes SYCONFIG.COM.r   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion OnlyW   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 20:56:43 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUPC Message-ID: <1108443403.181776.315620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>-   John Brandon wrote:b > VMS V7.2-1h1 Alpha> > I mount various disks drives in the following command files: >p >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM! >   SYS$MANAGER:SYPAGSWPFILES.COMe >   SYS$MANAGER:SYSECURITY.COM! >   SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM  >e >   (basic order of startup) >/E > In all cases, the disks being mounted are always online as they are- being-B > served by HSG80 controllers - so there is not spin-up wait time. > E > I started thinking why not mount all the disk drives in one command- file rather0D > than the multiple locations as is now.  I was thinking that either
 one of the, > following would be ideal for this purpose: >  >   SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM >   SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM >r3 > I am aware that if I use SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM ( > I would need to execute the following: >t( >   $ MCR SYSMAN SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE >eE > The reason to use SYCONFIG is to keep the startup strategy in tact.n >a > By Startup Strategy I mean:r/ >   - in SYLOGICALS perform logical definitionsm7 >   - in SYPAGESWPFILES perform page/swap file installsd
 >   - etc. >iG > I tend to believe that there should be a separate startup process foro mountingG > disks - since most everything you do at startup requires not only CPUf andM< > Memory but Disk drives as well.  Pretty much a rudimentary requirement to havee7 > your disk drives mounted prior to completing startup.a >  >J6 > Any thoughts on using either SYCONFIG or SYLOGICALS?    F Yes. That's not the purpose of syconfig.com. Its purpose is to connectF and configure non-standard devices. Standard devices are connected and configured by startup.com.  + Note that syconfig.com gets run by autogen.s  F Note that a minumum startup runs sylogicals.com and sypagswpfiles.com, IIRC.l  G The manual suggests mounting public disks in systartup_vms.com. I'd saym* put your mount procedure at its beginning.  ! >From the manual re syconfig.com:m  + Modifying SYCONFIG.COM to Configure Devicese  D You can add commands to SYCONFIG.COM to perform site-specific deviceG configuration, including connecting nonstandard devices and suppressingb autoconfiguration.   Connecting Nonstandard Devices  > Standard devices are automatically connected and configured byD STARTUP.COM each time the system boots. Nonstandard devices (devicesG not supplied by HP) are not automatically connected and configured; younE must connect and configure these devices manually by entering certainoG commands. To execute these commands each time the system starts up, adda the commands to SYCONFIG.COM.i  G On VAX systems, add SYSGEN CONNECT commands. For more information aboutiF connecting devices, see Connecting Devices and Loading Device Drivers.C For more information about the SYSGEN CONNECT command, refer to the F SYSGEN section of the HP OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference Manual.n  F On Alpha systems, add SYSMAN IO CONNECT commands. For more informationC about connecting devices, see Connecting Devices and Loading DevicelB Drivers. For more information about the SYSMAN IO CONNECT command,? refer to the SYSMAN section of the HP OpenVMS System Management  Utilities Reference Manual .   Examplee      G To connect a nonstandard device called the QQ device, add the followingl commands to SYCONFIG.COM:    $ SYSGEN := $SYSGENt $ SYSGEN CONNECT QQA0n( Suppressing Autoconfiguration of Devices  A You might want to suppress autoconfiguration for various reasons,  including the following ones:0  5 To customize the order in which you configure devicest      To troubleshoot booting problems    E To allow Small Computer System Interface (SCSI) based workstations torG use devices on another workstation's SCSI bus without causing conflictsM during boot timeF You can define a symbol in SYCONFIG.COM to suppress autoconfiguration.G For more information, see Suppressing the Autoconfiguration of Devices.A     [...]U   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:52:00 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUPB Message-ID: <1108445989.c2343e8483afdfedcdde83074946d54a@teranews>  F I've always put my mount commands early in systartup_vms.com, followed by the pagefile installations.  D This way, I am assured that startup_p1 = "MIN" really means it sinceQ none of my stuff gets executed and thus I can't mess things in a minimum startup.A  C I much prefer to keep all site specific invocations in one file.  I.G prefer a one-to-may approach as opposed to many-to-may when it comes toAD command procedures that call others during startup (in terms of site specific stuff).  D I tend to restrict use of sylogicals.com only to logicals absolutelyE needed by processes such as opcom started prior to systartup_vms.com,s/ and others are just redefined in systartup.com.t  H The fewer files that are modified for system customisations, the better.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 11:38:18 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>t, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distributionB Message-ID: <1108409898.537479.94860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Jeff Goodwin wrote:u3 > My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.o >iE > You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logoo on it. > :) >- > -Jeff   ? Great!  Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so uso  hobbyist types can get a copy...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:41:09 GMTo% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>s, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution> Message-ID: <F18Qd.30410$by5.17757@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>  4 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message ' news:zv6Qd.11$O46.0@news.cpqcorp.net...e > Jeff Goodwin wrote:@4 >> My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today. >>J >> You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo on  >> it. >> :)E >> >> -Jeff >> >> >$H > Great, I've been needing a box that is Java Compatible, my old one is  > wearing out. :-)  L It may say it's Java Compatible but, it started leaking as soon as I poured  the Java in.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:00:04 -0600M" From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution& Message-ID: <42111f66@news.qgraph.com>  + <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in messagen< news:1108409898.537479.94860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >c > Jeff Goodwin wrote:t5 > > My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today._ > >eG > > You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo) > on it. > > :) > >e	 > > -Jeffa >nA > Great!  Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so uso" > hobbyist types can get a copy... >a  F Yes, where do us hobbyist types get copies of the newest VMS releases?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:44:55 GMTR  From: John Santos <john@egh.com>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution* Message-ID: <rucQd.26452$wc.5294@trnddc07>   Schroeder, AJ wrote:- > <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in messagea> > news:1108409898.537479.94860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >  >>Jeff Goodwin wrote:e >>4 >>>My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today. >>>rF >>>You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo >> >>on it. >> >>>:)  >>>  >>>-Jeff >>A >>Great!  Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so usi" >>hobbyist types can get a copy... >> >  > H > Yes, where do us hobbyist types get copies of the newest VMS releases?  . I'm getting mine by borrowing it from work :-)  L It's perfectly all right to beg or borrow a copy.  Stealing is frowned upon.  F Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet so) people can download it is also right out.   F I don't know if there has been an actual post from someone at HP or ifF it is "obvious" (in the legalese sense of "obvious") from the hobbyistE license agreement that this is illegal, but I wouldn't chance it.  IfhD it were okay, I think HP would put it up on their own web site if itG were okay, so people downloading it would have some assurance they were B getting the real thing and not a hacked trojan horse version or an obsolete beta.  D In the past, we have recieved two copies of most Alpha VMS kits, oneG with our support contract and one as DSPP members.  Often when we renewoD the DSPP membership (annually) we get yet another copy of the latestD O/S kit.  I bet this is where many of the Ebay kits come from.  MostE sites really only need one copy.  (I do like to keep two, though.  ItiF really stinks to discover you've got a scratched CD at 2AM on a Sunday% morning in the middle of an upgrade.)r     -- r John SantosP Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:14:54 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distributionB Message-ID: <1108432977.074d249f0b8c462666c1095c0f1eab7b@teranews>   John Santos wrote:H > Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet so+ > people can download it is also right out.s  D I've offered to my country's, organisation-formely-known-as-Decus toE offer to host the kits on a per-request basis. (eg: kits would not be0C freely downloadable, only given to those who request it through the G organisation formaly known as DECUS.) I've received no formal response.U  H Not sure if it would be worth going direct to VMS management and dealingG with Montagar (they have the big database of hobbyists users) to supplyW4 kits on the net to hobbysists on a per-demand basis.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 20:28:07 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>U, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distributionC Message-ID: <1108441686.965143.224860@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John Santos wrote: >T0 > I'm getting mine by borrowing it from work :-) >F  F Unfortunately I haven't worked for an employer with OpenVMS since 2002D so that avenue is out.  I paid somewhere around $250 on Ebay for theG Alpha 7.3-2 OS and the Q4CY2003 SPL and $30 for the Alpha 7.3-1 CD fromYC www.openvmshobbyist.org .  I'd gladly pay $50 or so for a couple ofO? CD's from them with everything (except the bazillion DECwindowsH> versions) that the Hobbyist License covers plus documentation.    @ > It's perfectly all right to beg or borrow a copy.  Stealing is
 frowned upon.l >eE > Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet  so+ > people can download it is also right out..    G I've also got the means to furnish downloads on the web if some sort of,G way could be found to verify that a hobbyist was dowloading.  But I can 8 see the legal implications on that could be prohibitive.    E > I don't know if there has been an actual post from someone at HP ors if? > it is "obvious" (in the legalese sense of "obvious") from theU hobbyistG > license agreement that this is illegal, but I wouldn't chance it.  If F > it were okay, I think HP would put it up on their own web site if itD > were okay, so people downloading it would have some assurance they wereD > getting the real thing and not a hacked trojan horse version or an > obsolete beta.  F I think it's more the economics of charging $1K for 40 odd CD's a yearF as opposed to whatever the cost of keeping up a download area.  I note? that from the cover letter, etc on my SPL that you CAN downloadAE portions of the SPL if you have a password that is furnished with the D SPL - however that password expires quarterly so usually by the time8 things make it to Ebay the password is long past usable.     John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:38:27 -0600a6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>M Subject: Re: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?)!D Message-ID: <craigberry-24DF20.19382714022005@news.isp.giganews.com>  , In article <37c554F5bvirtU1@individual.net>,>  "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > Craig A. Berry wrote:! > >... > > /WILDCARD=TRADITIONAL (D)  > > /WILDCARD=REGEXi > >fI > > Or, if you prefer, PATTERN instead of WILDCARD.  As far as I can see,!I > > there is currently in SEARCH no capability for matching file contents A > > against patterns of any kind, even traditional VMS wildcards.K > >... > G > V8.2 has added /WILDCARD_MATCHING to SEARCH. Allowing us to use the *Q! > and the % in the search string._  H Nifty.  I was not aware of this.  Still looks like a good place to drop B in regular expressions as an alternative to traditional wildcards.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:29:29 GMTE+ From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com>IM Subject: Re: regular expression support on OpenVMS (was Re: grep on openVMS?) = Message-ID: <t0eQd.161386$K7.2931@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   G "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message & news:37c554F5bvirtU1@individual.net... > Craig A. Berry wrote:f > >... > > /WILDCARD=TRADITIONAL (D)  > > /WILDCARD=REGEXe > >o7 > > Or, if you prefer, PATTERN instead of WILDCARD.  Asu@ > > far as I can see, there is currently in SEARCH no capabilityA > > for matching file contents against patterns of any kind, evenE > > traditional VMS wildcards. > >... >E. > V8.2 has added /WILDCARD_MATCHING to SEARCH.: > Allowing us to use the * and the % in the search string. >   H Definitely a move in the right direction, and good to see progress being	 made :) !V   Cheers,0  
 Anthony BorlaF   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 12:52:10 -0800( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: SLS deadPB Message-ID: <1108414330.648378.57270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  E I have been told several times by HP support people that ABS "ArchiveIF Backup System for OpenVMS" is the product to migrate to.  They make noF excuses for SLS, and have told me several times that bugs i found will
 not be fixed.m  G They say the SLS license will work for ABS. They say that conversion is)G "painless" (like waking up in a tub of icewater to discover you kidneysn are gone!).n  G We are on V2.9H. 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17:01:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) D Subject: V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Security hardcopy order number3 Message-ID: <IVKblg5ddI4V@eisner.encompasserve.org>t    Hardcopy document order numbers:  5 AA-PV5SA-TE V1.5 OpenVMS AXP Guide to System Securityc5 AA-PV5RA-TE V6.0 OpenVMS VAX Guide to System Securityn1 ??????????? V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Securityh1 AA-QE0WA-TE V6.2 OpenVMS Guide to System Securitya  - Can anyone fill in the missing order number ?61 I have the Bookreader version which does not say.O   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 15:14:31 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.comH Subject: Re: V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Security hardcopy order numberB Message-ID: <1108422871.789382.19520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   AA-Q2HLA-TEA  OpenVMS Guide to System Security OpenVMS V6.1 (VAX and AXP)
 March 1994    A I also have a different number for V6.2; this is straight from my 	 hardcopy.    AA-Q2HLB-TEr  OpenVMS Guide to System Security OpenVMS V6.2 (VAX and Alpha) May 1995   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2005 17:47:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)hH Subject: Re: V6.1 OpenVMS Guide to System Security hardcopy order number3 Message-ID: <r+8Te7LXvBvY@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  ] In article <1108422871.789382.19520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes:R
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