1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 21 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 103       Contents:6 Beginner I have a question about a credit union system# Re: HP financials: Alpha sales down # Re: HP financials: Alpha sales down = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = RE: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...  Re: Need performance help  Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!  Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!  Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!  SSH on V8.2 Itanium  Re: SSH on V8.2 Itanium 7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2 7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2 7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2 7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2   Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distribution  Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distribution  Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distribution  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2005 14:23:31 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> ? Subject: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system C Message-ID: <1108938211.040998.120540@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   @ I am interviewing for a it maanger job next week and it requiresB experience in openvms.  Now i have seen and played with an openvmsE system before but i am not experienced per say.  Understanding that I F have the abilitly to literally teach myslef anything in one weekend asG longh as i dont need to learn a programming lanuguage to run it; do you = think i would be able to manage the system if i took the job?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 03:46:13 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com , Subject: Re: HP financials: Alpha sales down- Message-ID: <873bvrggl6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   . > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:21:51 -0500, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavy.com>  wrote:  >  >> Neil Rieck wrote:  B >>> I believe that some potential customers buying stop-gap Alphas= >>> from the used equipment market accounts for "some" of the  >>> currently bad sales figures   C >> But it also says a lot when the used equipment sellers are doing @ >> brisk business. It is a signal that lots of VMS customers are= >> dumping Alphas to the used market and not buying new ones.   B > I thought the OP said they were bidding them up, that suggests a > sellers market.   E It is both, prices for older stuff has dropped off the planet, except D for large memory configs. EV6+ on stuff prices is up and climbing. IC suspect there are many who are bying up for spares and to give them " selves as much buffer as they can.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:15:09 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> , Subject: Re: HP financials: Alpha sales down; Message-ID: <hK9Sd.71009$pc5.30951@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  >    > % >>Which computer systems did IBM EOL?  >  > # > System 34, System 36, System 38.    F I should point out the the 38, (later the 400) could have been a VAX. H It could grow to any size. Why didn't they commit to it?   Because they I once committed everything to the 360, their most profitable product ever. G However, they realized had it failed, they would have been in trouble,  ' and they vowed never to do to it again.    The 38 was a great system.    & (replaced by the AS400). The old AS400J > was then ported to Power based systems. IBM redid all the OS names and I
 > lost track.  > E > The lack of upgradibilkity from the incompatible 34, 36, 38 and MVS H > systems was one of the big reasons that VMS took off since it was ableJ > to offer from desktop to data centre on the same OS and in that time, on! > the same hardware architecture.  > J > The 34/36/28/MVS mess was purposefully done so that should IBM have beenF > forced to divest, the companies buying the smaller systems would notI > inherit any of the valuable MVS and 370 architecture stuff. This is one 7 > of the big reasons VMS got such a boost in the 1980s.  > G > When IBM combined the midrange systems into the AS400, the AS400 then H > became the "VAX Killer". It was still different from MVS machines, butD > it greatly reduced the disparity and incompatibility within IBM byL > simplifying the product offering between the PC, AS400 and MVS mainframes.  ? If they focused on the AS4000, they'd have had a great machine.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:54:03 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...- Message-ID: <cvb0vl$25bp$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Z wrote: > Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > F >> I have heard of a tax calculation program for calcultating peoples H >> personal taxes that needed administrators rights.  As far as I know, H >> the Sims 2 childrens game needs administrators rights, cannot run if A >> anti virus software is installed, and does not run on XP SP 2.  >  > D > Microsoft in no way had anything to do with Sims or that tax calc 8 > software or the fact that it needs admin privs to run.  C True.  Except that no one would have marketed products that needed  G administrators rights unless necessary if the default setup of Windows  B was that normal users accounts did not have administrators rights.  E >> You are right that you do not need to run IE from an account with  F >> administrators rights, but Microsoft is very much to blame for the  >> default setup of Windows. >  > J > What default setup are you talking about? Too loose or too tight? Seems   > you're compalining about both.  G In that case I have not been clear enough.  I think the default set up  ? of Windows is too loose.  Normal user accounts should not have  I administrators rights, and Microsoft should have made it that way a very   long time ago.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:00:08 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...- Message-ID: <cvb1b4$25v1$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Greg Cagle wrote:  > Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > F >> I have heard of a tax calculation program for calcultating peoples H >> personal taxes that needed administrators rights.  As far as I know, H >> the Sims 2 childrens game needs administrators rights, cannot run if A >> anti virus software is installed, and does not run on XP SP 2.  >  > H > Sims 2 "children's program" runs just fine on my XP SP2 systems, whichF > has Ad-Aware, Spyboy, Norton Anti-Virus, and the beta MS Antispyware
 > running. >  > - Greg  H Well my understanding was that the producers had used a copy protection H system with problems lists above.  Fine if they do not.  Or perhaps the H producers are now using a copy protection system without these problems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:13:46 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...B Message-ID: <1108936917.e31465d8b8a1cc232eb5b6f4dd0b07ff@teranews>  E I think the problem of requiring admin rights on Windows was made far  worse by that registry thing.   C You used to be able to drop a .INI file in the right directory in a  server and that user was setup.   D Now, you can't do that anymore. Windows was designed to be deployed.D Make one vanilla copy and copy it for each user. But Windows was not0 designed for individual workstation maintenance.  H Head office was going to come one weekend to upgrade all the hard drivesE of the users in the regional office by simply zapping them with a new E disk image. Imagine their surprise when the users told them that they E couldn't do that because they had since installed additional software B (such as desktop publishing) which, due to licencing, could not beD installed on the server but had to be installed on the workstations.G That put a whole stop to their plans because they were at a loss on how 5 to actually upgrade a user without losing everything.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:09:07 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...- Message-ID: <87r7jaevek.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:   B > There will always be reasonable arguments for and against makingA > sensitive code available for public review, but some additional A > practical considerations for "open source makes for more secure  > products" include:  : But Kerry you have to ship the code. A binary is harder to9 work with than the source, but that has never stopped the  crackers before.  5 DEC almost always shipped sources to at least the OS.   : With VMS, it was the fiche up to 5.5, then CDs that had to be bought from then on.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2005 14:31:46 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...C Message-ID: <1108938706.367919.111140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F microsoft has allowed for admins to put an end to kernel mode patchingC with server 2003 the cool think is even if the workstations are sp1 E they will listen to group policy objects released with sp2.adm files.   D Alternatly if you are an admin who knows what you are doiing you canF just make sure that the user logging in is not part of the local adminC group on the workstation.  This is done by default in win xp.......  Dont be so hard on em A ya they suck with security but hey they are listening to the open C source community when it comes to thier lack of security.  As an it G admin i feel safe using ms products now.... The key is you just need to G know how to implement the new technology.  Many windwos admins are lazy G and will wait for a manual to come out on a new feature before they use E it..... not me and I enjoy the benefits of hardly ever getting a user ? calling me up about spyware or any other crap associsted with a  "Normal" MS network>:)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:33:09 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> F Subject: RE: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F648@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----? > From: prep@prep.synonet.com [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]=20 ! > Sent: February 20, 2005 5:09 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... >=20+ > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  >=20D > > There will always be reasonable arguments for and against makingC > > sensitive code available for public review, but some additional C > > practical considerations for "open source makes for more secure  > > products" include: >=20< > But Kerry you have to ship the code. A binary is harder to; > work with than the source, but that has never stopped the  > crackers before. >=207 > DEC almost always shipped sources to at least the OS.  >=20< > With VMS, it was the fiche up to 5.5, then CDs that had to > be bought from then on.  >=20 > --=20 > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. >=20   Paul,   F Yep, OpenVMS does make a majority of the OS sources available, but not *all* of the modules.   E Re: fiche .. Ah yes, fond memories comes to mind of manually updating % the fiche when new releases came out.    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:34:04 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...- Message-ID: <cvb3al$2abq$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Main, Kerry wrote:B > Many banks and financial institutions do have occasional outsideG > security audits completed by trusted external security companies that  > specialize in this work. > E > That does not mean they have to release the bank building and vault B > plans to the public in order to increase their overall security.  G I think that security of banks cannot be directly compared to security  G of software.  An audit of a bank would include checking that there are  H enough alarms and that these alarms are correctly placed.  This has not D direct counterpart in review of software code.  The counterparts to D alarms in banks are intrusion detection systems and alarms too many G login attempt, rejected attempts to open files, etc.  I would not make  K the set up of my intrusion detection system and alarms known to the public.   G A public review of a banks security comparable to a security review of  F software would be publishing the design of the lock, the thickness of I the vault doors and walls, etc.  However, the design of these things are  F so simple that a public review is not needed.  In stead such a review I would leave valuable information that could be used by criminals even if  I the design was right.  If the design of software is right, then there is  B no way of bypassing the authentication and security checks.  Thus E hackers are not helped by the release the source of software without   security errors.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:04:53 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ..., Message-ID: <37smt0F5g0oumU1@individual.net>  ! Sorry, can't resist this folks...    Stephen Costigan wrote:    >  Many windwos admins are lazy I > and will wait for a manual to come out on a new feature before they use G > it..... not me and I enjoy the benefits of hardly ever getting a user A > calling me up about spyware or any other crap associsted with a  > "Normal" MS network>:) >   G Do you leave the phone off the hook, or do your users not call because  5 you cannot string a comprehensible sentence together?   F <Much out of character for me, but this message is intended to offend>   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:24:35 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...= Message-ID: <nLaSd.10523$hU7.4507@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>   4 "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote in message & news:37rvl9F5en1usU1@individual.net...	 >Z wrote:  >  >> Karsten Nyblad wrote: >>G >>> I have heard of a tax calculation program for calcultating peoples  M >>> personal taxes that needed administrators rights.  As far as I know, the  J >>> Sims 2 childrens game needs administrators rights, cannot run if anti = >>> virus software is installed, and does not run on XP SP 2.  >> >>E >> Microsoft in no way had anything to do with Sims or that tax calc  9 >> software or the fact that it needs admin privs to run.  >>H > Sorry, but it appears that M$ created the environment that encouraged . > such, and for that they must take the blame. > ; > Try running a debug session on NT without admin rights...   8 I do it almost every day.  What problems are you having?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:01:15 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...0 Message-ID: <111iq7tk566a30c@corp.supernews.com>   Karsten Nyblad wrote: 
 > Z wrote: >  >> Karsten Nyblad wrote: >>G >>> I have heard of a tax calculation program for calcultating peoples  I >>> personal taxes that needed administrators rights.  As far as I know,  I >>> the Sims 2 childrens game needs administrators rights, cannot run if  B >>> anti virus software is installed, and does not run on XP SP 2. >> >> >>E >> Microsoft in no way had anything to do with Sims or that tax calc  9 >> software or the fact that it needs admin privs to run.  >  > E > True.  Except that no one would have marketed products that needed  I > administrators rights unless necessary if the default setup of Windows  D > was that normal users accounts did not have administrators rights. > F >>> You are right that you do not need to run IE from an account with G >>> administrators rights, but Microsoft is very much to blame for the   >>> default setup of Windows.  >> >> >>E >> What default setup are you talking about? Too loose or too tight?  ' >> Seems you're compalining about both.  >  > I > In that case I have not been clear enough.  I think the default set up  A > of Windows is too loose.  Normal user accounts should not have  K > administrators rights, and Microsoft should have made it that way a very   > long time ago.  H Not that I disagree with you, but in fairness, what it the user account I when you first set up VMS?  That's right, SYSTEM.  It's up to the system  G manager to set up additional user accounts.  I know that there are VMS  ? systems where users run from prived accounts, including SYSTEM.   H What would be helpful with windows, since it's many times set up by the F user, not a system manager, is a wizard for setting up user accounts, > and an automatic running of it during installation of windows.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:26:34 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...* Message-ID: <_gfSd.8627$zH5.8226@fe07.lga>   Dave Froble wrote:J > What would be helpful with windows, since it's many times set up by the H > user, not a system manager, is a wizard for setting up user accounts, @ > and an automatic running of it during installation of windows.  " Windows XP has a user acct wizard.  G It was not run automatically during o/s installation but it did ask me  3 for usernames (all of which were given full privs).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:13:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: Need performance help+ Message-ID: <4218FD93.D17BBD80@comcast.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] $ > > Sent: February 20, 2005 12:32 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & > > Subject: Re: Need performance help > >  > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > " > > > > -----Original Message-----A > > > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] ( > > > > Sent: February 20, 2005 11:48 AM! > > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * > > > > Subject: Re: Need performance help > > > >  > > >  > > > [snip...]  > > > 	 > > > > > ? > > > > > Something to consider is to set up web site on Apache  > > CSWS which hasA > > > > > daily / weekly reports that the end users require. That  > > way, you canH > > > > > simply tell them to check the web site for the latest reports.	 > > > > > C > > > > > As I recall, there has been a few suggestions in the past  > > > > on how to set  > > > > > this up. > > > > J > > > > ...and by what magic do these reports get created so the users canE > > > > display them? Seems to me key software layers remain missing.  > > > >  > > > > > > > Reports and graphs can be generated automatically by any > > number of free< > > > or commercial pkgs. Batch job then simply copies these > > reports/graphs to G > > > web site (in appropriate format) where they are available for web $ > > > viewing by BU's and end users. > > > 9 > > > As an example ECP (free) provides the capability to  > > generate reports and
 > > > graphs. ? > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ecp/index.html  > > 2 > > ...which brings us back to my earlier comment: > > @ > > "Yeah, looked at that too. Don't remember all the specifics, > > but I seemJ > > to recall the automatable portions only offering the equivalent of theD > > first page (tabular summary) of an SPM report (no histograms?)." > > J > > If you, as an OpenVMS ambassador, can provide any deeper insight, suchF > > as how to get SPM/PSPA-like ACSII histograms out of ECP, or how to? > > automate TLViz, the result might be a disfavor to CA, but a  > > very *LARGE*, > > favor to the OpenVMS community at large. > >  > > -- >  > David, > I > I know this was discussed a few times before on comp.os.vms, but having I > just installed VMS 8.2 on my work and home lab Alpha systems, I will do E > some testing with the new ECP V5.5 flavour and generate some sample ( > reports with some tips-n-tricks stuff. >  > :-)   C Thanx! Interested in seeing the output, and even more interested in ' seeing the commands used to produce it.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:09:10 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!+ Message-ID: <4218FC76.1A8C577B@comcast.net>    rob merritt wrote: > E > looks like I have all those licenses  (we are on the CSLG...all you # > van eat OpenVMS layered products)  >  > any other ideas   " (LICENSE LIST/FULL output snipped)   What does SHOW LICENSE display?   G (LICENSE LIST shows the "permanent" or "non-volatile" information. SHOW A LICENSE shows the licenses currently loaded and active; i.e., the  "volatile database".)    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2005 18:29:00 -0800& From: merrittr@gmail.com (rob merritt)$ Subject: Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!= Message-ID: <36afd772.0502201829.211121ce@posting.google.com>    looks good what nextO DVNETEND           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  (none)      30-APR-2005 O DVNETEXT           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  (none)      30-APR-2005 O DVNETRTG           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  (none)      30-APR-2005     e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<4218FC76.1A8C577B@comcast.net>...  > rob merritt wrote: > > G > > looks like I have all those licenses  (we are on the CSLG...all you % > > van eat OpenVMS layered products)  > >  > > any other ideas  > $ > (LICENSE LIST/FULL output snipped) > ! > What does SHOW LICENSE display?  > I > (LICENSE LIST shows the "permanent" or "non-volatile" information. SHOW C > LICENSE shows the licenses currently loaded and active; i.e., the  > "volatile database".)  >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:41:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!B Message-ID: <1108960163.2df058bb0516028d0d75461416a17a6c@teranews>   rob merritt wrote: >  > looks good what nextQ > DVNETEND           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  (none)      30-APR-2005 Q > DVNETEXT           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  (none)      30-APR-2005 Q > DVNETRTG           DEC             0  0     100    0.0  (none)      30-APR-2005   E Does loading DVNETEND prevent DVNETRTG from working or even loading ?   G Have you tried to disable the non routing licences and loading only the 
 routing one ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:05:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: SSH on V8.2 Itanium0 Message-ID: <00A3FADD.B38CC627@SendSpamHere.ORG>  I I'm trying to get SSH configured on my Itanium.  I just installed the new J V8.2 kit.  I ran the TCPIP$CONFIG and followed all the steps to generatingK the keys.  However, when I try to connect from my Powerbook, I get an error 2 and I find the following in the TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG:  d Sun 20 13:50:01 WARNING: Failed to parse some variables from config file 'ssh2/   ******************O rx2600$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_sshd2.exe[1483]: WARNING: Failed  Sun 20 13:50:01 WARNING:  2                                 ******************  F         You may have a old style configuration file. Please follow theF         instructions in the release notes to use the new configuration         files.    2                                 ******************  H rx2600$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_sshd2.exe[1483]: WARNING:      C The problem is that the Release Notes PDF file at HP doesn't exist.     Any ideas how to get ppast this?   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:16:19 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: SSH on V8.2 Itanium0 Message-ID: <00A3FADF.362A28F4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A3FADD.B38CC627@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: J >I'm trying to get SSH configured on my Itanium.  I just installed the newK >V8.2 kit.  I ran the TCPIP$CONFIG and followed all the steps to generating L >the keys.  However, when I try to connect from my Powerbook, I get an error3 >and I find the following in the TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG:  > e >Sun 20 13:50:01 WARNING: Failed to parse some variables from config file 'ssh2/   ****************** P >rx2600$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_sshd2.exe[1483]: WARNING: Failed >Sun 20 13:50:01 WARNING:  > 3 >                                ******************  > G >        You may have a old style configuration file. Please follow the G >        instructions in the release notes to use the new configuration  >        files.  > 3 >                                ******************  > I >rx2600$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_sshd2.exe[1483]: WARNING:  >  >  > D >The problem is that the Release Notes PDF file at HP doesn't exist. > ! >Any ideas how to get ppast this?     E Nevermind.  I stopped SSH and reran the configuration from the getgo.    SSH *still* doesn't support -X   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:01:44 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)@ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2$ Message-ID: <cvb4so$2ld$1@online.de>  9 In article <00A3FA41.E851B5E3@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   H > I finally got my Itanium box on line and went to add a graphic for theH > DECWindow login dialog box with the machine's name.  I have produced aG > custom graphic for every one of my VMS machines by replacing the file G > DECDTLOGO.PM with a unique logo for each machine.  Much to my dismay, H > this no longer works under OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium.  Strangely, the powersI > that be that decided to disable this forgot about the idle lockout dia- J > log box.  When the screen is locked, I do get my logo displayed.  Sheesh6 > what ever happened to consistency in VMS. :rolleyes:  H Maybe they were annoyed by all the folks who copied the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| < logo to somewhere else so it would survive the upgrade.  :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:26:25 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG@ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.20 Message-ID: <00A3FB02.26506556@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <cvb4so$2ld$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: : >In article <00A3FA41.E851B5E3@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   > I >> I finally got my Itanium box on line and went to add a graphic for the I >> DECWindow login dialog box with the machine's name.  I have produced a H >> custom graphic for every one of my VMS machines by replacing the fileH >> DECDTLOGO.PM with a unique logo for each machine.  Much to my dismay,I >> this no longer works under OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium.  Strangely, the powers J >> that be that decided to disable this forgot about the idle lockout dia-K >> log box.  When the screen is locked, I do get my logo displayed.  Sheesh 7 >> what ever happened to consistency in VMS. :rolleyes:  > I >Maybe they were annoyed by all the folks who copied the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  = >logo to somewhere else so it would survive the upgrade.  :-)    ;)   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:46:24 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>@ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2, Message-ID: <37sparF5ia56bU1@individual.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  H > I finally got my Itanium box on line and went to add a graphic for theH > DECWindow login dialog box with the machine's name.  I have produced aG > custom graphic for every one of my VMS machines by replacing the file G > DECDTLOGO.PM with a unique logo for each machine.  Much to my dismay, H > this no longer works under OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium.  Strangely, the powersI > that be that decided to disable this forgot about the idle lockout dia- J > log box.  When the screen is locked, I do get my logo displayed.  Sheesh6 > what ever happened to consistency in VMS. :rolleyes: >  > 4 Brian, this rings a bell from some previous upgrade.  D The initial login screen for CDE would display the Compaq logo, and D later the HP one, but the screensaver would give me the DECDTLOGO.PMG one. Not always though - I didn't give it much thought at the time, as   my aim was to log in.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:33:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2B Message-ID: <1108948877.6e8eff78ea0a4d39f83e587d390457f3@teranews>  F This is actualy a long term conspiracy. Get the users used to the factE that you can't change the logo anymore. Then, with 8.3 or one version F later, you'll get the Windows logo forced on you and you won't be able% to change it :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) :0-)   F This way, HP will be able to give Microsoft more royalties (since partF of the VMS revenus will go to MS for the right to use the MS logo) andE HP will be in a better position to negotiate with MS for the right tos
 sell Windows.   F And seeing the Windows logo every day will soften VMS customers to theG idea of migrating to Windows, and this will finally allow HP to EOL VMSiH and offer attractive migration to Windows with Microsoft getting all theH money and HP getting none, a move which Wall Street Casino analysts will2 applaud and the HP board will get big bonuses. :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2005 21:26:20 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)i) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distributioni2 Message-ID: <4218f26c$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de>  E In article <1108872241.71d21f10067f4ba4e16925fc9623a4e8@teranews>, JFu Mezeis& <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Robert Deininger wrote:G >> Very few alpha systems support DVD drives.  I don't expect the alpham >VMS# >> installer to ever switch to DVD.i > H >My all mighty Microvax II can read CDs because my SCSI board makes them >look like a RA drive. >VI >Do DVD drives, when used as data devices in read-only mode really act sou >differently from CD drives ?k >i  I SCSI drives can do 512 byte or 2048 byte per  I/O. DVD-drives switch from. 512 byteE to 2048 byte per I/O as soon as you insert a DVD. This depends on thet	 firmware, : but this is what I observed with a Pioneer DVD-U03S drive.   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:11:03 -0600g2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distribution1+ Message-ID: <4218FCE7.14B8434C@comcast.net>u   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > G > In article <1108872241.71d21f10067f4ba4e16925fc9623a4e8@teranews>, JFe > Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >Robert Deininger wrote:I > >> Very few alpha systems support DVD drives.  I don't expect the alphai > >VMS% > >> installer to ever switch to DVD.e > > J > >My all mighty Microvax II can read CDs because my SCSI board makes them > >look like a RA drive. > > K > >Do DVD drives, when used as data devices in read-only mode really act som > >differently from CD drives ?: > >H > K > SCSI drives can do 512 byte or 2048 byte per  I/O. DVD-drives switch from 
 > 512 byteG > to 2048 byte per I/O as soon as you insert a DVD. This depends on thez > firmware,i< > but this is what I observed with a Pioneer DVD-U03S drive.  C So, it switches TO 2048 when you load a DVD? ...any way to overrider that?u   -- i David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:h" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2005 23:12:08 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)s) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distributiona2 Message-ID: <42190b38$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de>  < In article <4218FCE7.14B8434C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera# <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:, >Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:  >>  H >> In article <1108872241.71d21f10067f4ba4e16925fc9623a4e8@teranews>, JF >> Mezei) >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:t >> >Robert Deininger wrote:tJ >> >> Very few alpha systems support DVD drives.  I don't expect the alpha >> >VMSl& >> >> installer to ever switch to DVD. >> >F >> >My all mighty Microvax II can read CDs because my SCSI board makes >them: >> >look like a RA drive.a >> >I >> >Do DVD drives, when used as data devices in read-only mode really acti >soe  >> >differently from CD drives ? >> > >>  G >> SCSI drives can do 512 byte or 2048 byte per  I/O. DVD-drives switch. >from  >> 512 byteoH >> to 2048 byte per I/O as soon as you insert a DVD. This depends on the >> firmware,= >> but this is what I observed with a Pioneer DVD-U03S drive.h > D >So, it switches TO 2048 when you load a DVD? ...any way to override >that? >a  F The drive has a 512/2048-Jumper. If the 512-mode is activated a VMS-CDJ boots nicely from that drive, but as soon a I insert a DVD the disk is not
 mountable.  J There is a nice program written by Glenn Everhart, that reads (and writes)G 2048 blocked SCSI-drives. Then I see all data on the DVD produced by my3 DVDwriter program.  F So there is no chance to hinder the drive to switch to the other mode.G This is a question of the firmware, but I doubt that other drive behave ? different. I asked an OpenVMS ambassador to propose an addon top: OpenVMS that manages the 2048/512 mapping for SCSI-devices* by the SCSI driver but no answer till now.   Eberhard   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.103 ************************