1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 21 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 104       Contents: Re: 7.32 patching questions  Re: APC UPS Integration  APC UPS Integration  Re: APC UPS Integration  Batch Queue  Re: Batch Queue  Re: Batch Queue  Re: Batch Queue  Re: Batch Queue : Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system8 DEC Handbooks, manuals, misc for free near Washington DC Do you have Intel PL/M Compiler : Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()]: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()]: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()]% Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc) ) Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc) ) Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc) ) Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc) ) Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc)  HFLOAT to XFLOAT Re: HFLOAT to XFLOAT. LIBRARY: User data in module header ( MHDUSZ )= Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... = Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ... . Microsoft Windows Logo on OpenVMS 8.2 Display?3 Module CREDEF inconsistency between DEC-C and Macro  Re: Need performance help  RE: Need performance help  Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!  RE: OpenVms decNet Routing! ( RE: So how big a parachute did she have?$ Strange behaviour of ACCOUNTING tool( Re: Strange behaviour of ACCOUNTING tool7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2 7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2   TCPIP SSH... -X is almost there!B Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customers  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 12:08:24 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)$ Subject: Re: 7.32 patching questions3 Message-ID: <8ZpRRdoLRngW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <1108674009.230881.59730@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:6 > However, I don't see why I would want to do number 4/ > and not do number 2.  I think I should either 4 > (1) apply all the INSTALL_1 patches or (2) install4 > only the mandatory security patch and its required6 > pre-patches and apply other patches only when I find > I need them.  D All of the recent VMS 7.3-2 patches have UPDATE 3 as a prerequisite.  F So the proper sequence is to install PCSI, UPDATE3, and then those fewJ recent patches not included in update 3 as needed. Probably something like= SYS 6.0, FIBRE-SCSI 4.0 RMS 2.0, and SYSINI 1.0 at a minimum.     And don't forget TCPIP 5.4 ECP4!  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  @         You [should] not examine legislation in the light of theD         benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in theF         light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause ifF         improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of         the U.S.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:43:26 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>  Subject: Re: APC UPS IntegrationB Message-ID: <421a019e$0$24942$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Michael D. Ober wrote:  J > Does anyone have software to integrate an APC UPS system into a AlphaVMS& > server via the server's serial port? > 	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >  >  > K http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=618938 X http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/getattachment.do?attachmentId=117268&ext=.html   Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:32:02 -0700 . From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> Subject: APC UPS Integration- Message-ID: <T9nSd.2$1B1.705@news.uswest.net>   H Does anyone have software to integrate an APC UPS system into a AlphaVMS$ server via the server's serial port?   Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:40:18 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: APC UPS Integration0 Message-ID: <00A3FB92.94FE003D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <T9nSd.2$1B1.705@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> writes:I >Does anyone have software to integrate an APC UPS system into a AlphaVMS % >server via the server's serial port?    http://www.tmesis.com/UPShot/  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 09:00:50 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com>  Subject: Batch QueueC Message-ID: <1109005250.219535.205820@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   G So the batch queue is a queue for all batch commands whether they be to B tally up end of day sales or to run a user account cleanup script?  * I know these are stupid questions but hey.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:12:29 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Batch Queue/ Message-ID: <BE3F567D.77FE%roktsci@comcast.net>    On 2/21/05 9:00 AM, in articleJ 1109005250.219535.205820@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Stephen  Costigan"" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> wrote:  I > So the batch queue is a queue for all batch commands whether they be to D > tally up end of day sales or to run a user account cleanup script? > , > I know these are stupid questions but hey. >   L BATCH in VMS does not have the same definition as BATCH in DOS. In DOS BatchL means putting DOS commands in a .BAT file for execution. VMS is similar with% .COM files called command procedures.   C In VMS .COM procedures can be run interactively at your terminal or K submitted to a batch queue where it can be executed without being connected  to an interactive process.   JC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:28:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Batch QueueB Message-ID: <1109006172.376408b55d9e7afdc6703b87444f41e7@teranews>   Stephen Costigan wrote:  > I > So the batch queue is a queue for all batch commands whether they be to D > tally up end of day sales or to run a user account cleanup script?  A Yes. Generally speaking,  command procedures run the same whether B interactively or in batch. Where there are differences in when theF programs invoked by the comamdn procedure require a terminal (eg: full( screen editor or a SET TERMINAL command.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:54:56 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Batch Queue8 Message-ID: <jb6k11hiin1kjl0oumt7fglgaaipv57eao@4ax.com>  K On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:28:38 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >Stephen Costigan wrote: >>  J >> So the batch queue is a queue for all batch commands whether they be toE >> tally up end of day sales or to run a user account cleanup script?  > B >Yes. Generally speaking,  command procedures run the same whetherC >interactively or in batch. Where there are differences in when the G >programs invoked by the comamdn procedure require a terminal (eg: full ) >screen editor or a SET TERMINAL command.   P The batch queue also allows a load of command procedures (scripts) to be stackedK up (hence queue) while one or many are executed. There are also commands to H synchronise execution of different jobs e.g. waiting for completion of a particular job before starting.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:37:41 -0500 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>  Subject: Re: Batch QueueA Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050221123158.038a5a90@mail.patmedia.net>   * At 12:54 PM 2/21/2005, Nigel Barker wrote:L >On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:28:38 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> >wrote:  >  > >Stephen Costigan wrote: > >>L > >> So the batch queue is a queue for all batch commands whether they be toG > >> tally up end of day sales or to run a user account cleanup script?  > > D > >Yes. Generally speaking,  command procedures run the same whetherE > >interactively or in batch. Where there are differences in when the I > >programs invoked by the comamdn procedure require a terminal (eg: full + > >screen editor or a SET TERMINAL command.  > J >The batch queue also allows a load of command procedures (scripts) to be  >stackedL >up (hence queue) while one or many are executed. There are also commands toI >synchronise execution of different jobs e.g. waiting for completion of a   >particular job before starting.  ; You can also define more than one batch queue. For example:    $ init/que/batch user_cleanup  $ init/que/batch end_of_day  $ init/que/batch system_startup    etc.  D As long as you enforce where procedures are run, accounting is made I easier.  If you have a cluster, you can specify the node where jobs from   each queue run.   + There are many ways to set up batch queues.    Ken    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2005 23:21:28 -0800  From: "KGB" <kgbarkes@gmail.com>C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system B Message-ID: <1108970488.274905.95660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   No.    Regards,   KGB    -----  Kevin G. Barkes , Email: kgbarkes@gmail.com | Web: www.kgb.com* Eff the Ineffable, Scrute the Inscrutable:) http://www.cafeshops.com/kgbstuff.9211569  KGB Report:  http://www.kgb.com National Temperature Index: # http://nationaltemperatureindex.com  DCL Dialogue on line:  http://www.kgb.com/dcl.html  Random Quotations Generator: http://www.goodquotations.com " Over 11,500 searchable quotations.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 07:20:31 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system 3 Message-ID: <eHaCjaoICTB2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   { In article <1108938211.040998.120540@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> writes: B > I am interviewing for a it maanger job next week and it requiresD > experience in openvms.  Now i have seen and played with an openvmsG > system before but i am not experienced per say.  Understanding that I H > have the abilitly to literally teach myslef anything in one weekend asI > longh as i dont need to learn a programming lanuguage to run it; do you ? > think i would be able to manage the system if i took the job?  >    The short answer is no.    The longer answer is: I You may have the ability to read a manual in a weekend, but that does not K translate into understanding, for example, the subtle relationships between H various system management issues. There are some things that can only be acquired with experience.   I Also, on a non-technical note. if I was on an interview board, and I felt J that someone was trying to claim knowledge or skills that they clearly didI not have, then that person would never get a recommendation from me, even G if they came up for another job in the future that they were capable of > doing - I don't like people trying to pull stunts like that...   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:07:52 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system B Message-ID: <1108994140.5e80dd02523794c96cc422df842c2a69@teranews>  B If the VMS system is very important to the company, you want to beE honest and not oversell yourself. If the company knows you'll stumble G for the first week, they may surround you with as much help as possible C initially and expect some problems (but also expect to see you make  quick progress).  E If you sell them on being a VMS expert and you initially stumble, you 8 won't have a good image and they may not trust you much.  E Play on the possibility that your minimal experience with VMS is more = than what other candidates will have had. BUT be very honest.   H There are two aspects to systems management. One is general mentality ofG system management, the other is knowledge of the OS itself. If you have H managed other systems, try to translate this to experience which you canF apply to VMS by just learning the equivalent tools. (eg: you know whatJ needs to be done, you just need to know what switches need to be flicked).  D Another aspect which you MUST ask is how well equipped are they withH regards to documentation. If you will be self-learning, you will need to0 live and sleeop right next to the documentation.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 08:49:43 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system C Message-ID: <1109004583.498978.324830@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   E Thank you both for your answers.  The requirment is at the end of the E requirments list so I dont htink it is the most important part of the F job, but if the mission critical banking services run on this system ID am going to have to earn them fast.  Thanks for pointing out where I can read the manuals.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 09:07:10 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system B Message-ID: <1109005630.083193.67290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  C Thanks guys i am not going to go into the only job interview that i G have lined up for next week and lie to them about my skills....  I have G never used an openVMS system as a manager, but I have managed multisite E multi platform mission criticle cluster servers for the past year.  I E think that if I get the manual and the specific tasks that need to be B performed on a daily basis for the credit union I can master those@ commands and then slowly think of ways that I could streamline -F improve the system and teach myself what is neeeded to make it happen.? Over the next year as long as I understand the VMS system i can A recocmend strategies for enhancments or front end web application E integrations.  This is what my plan is.  I agree with all of you that D it would be wrong to lie about my skills.  I hope that I can post my3 questions here when i have them related to OpenVMS.    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:36:42 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com>C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system D Message-ID: <OFBFB44D42.C28F44B3-ON07256FAF.00609307@mck.us.ray.com>  K I wrote a book just for you.  Look for _Getting Started with OpenVMS System  Management_ on your  favorite on-line book seller   dave.   0 ------------------------------------------------  E Thank you both for your answers.  The requirment is at the end of the E requirments list so I dont htink it is the most important part of the F job, but if the mission critical banking services run on this system ID am going to have to earn them fast.  Thanks for pointing out where I can read the manuals.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 07:46:24 -0800- From: "Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> A Subject: DEC Handbooks, manuals, misc for free near Washington DC B Message-ID: <1109000784.820938.52590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  - Available for free in suburban Washington DC:   > * Many dozen DEC paperback handbooks.  Mostly Q-bus and Unibus? processors, VAX, etc., but some software and some "other" stuff  available too.  E * Misc Q-bus and Unibus boards, grant boards, etc.  Nothing exciting, ? but if you need some grant boards, now is the time to get them!   " * VT220, a couple of DEC keyboards  G * A metric buttload of VAX/VMS condists, with some Alpha/VMS and Ultrix # (MIPS and VAX) stuff thrown in too.   @ While I'd prefer that this stuff be hauled away en masse, I willD consider requests for shipping small items (esp the condists) if you pay.  9 E-mail me (shoppa@trailing-edge.com) for pick-up details.    Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:02:58 +0900 , From: "Park, Taehoon" <sponzi74@hotmail.com>( Subject: Do you have Intel PL/M Compiler- Message-ID: <cvc4nr$t2u$1@domitilla.aioe.org>    Hi everyone./ I'm looking for plm86 compiler for DOS/Windows. F My job is porting PL/M from VAX/VMS to DOS/Windows. But my DOS versionI plm86 is little bit differenct from VAX plm86, so I can't get same object  file. 7 Let me know who has plm86 compiler any version for DOS.  Thanks everyone.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:52:53 +0100 , From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>C Subject: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()] 4 Message-ID: <1108997576.16719@proxy.dienste.wien.at>   Sol Gongala:  ; > Is there a way to specify something other than /CLI=DCL ?   8 There was a way. Until VMS V5, if RSX was installed, you5 could also say /CLI=MCR. And IIRC there was a product 8 named "DECShell" which emulates - more or less  useful - a Bourne Shell under DCL.   I > I haven't been able to find any specifications for writing a vms usable 5 > command line interface. Does such a document exist?   6 Yes, many years ago, I saw in a book shop a book named: "Guide to writing a command line interpreter for VAX/VMS".3 But I don't know the ISBN - sorry. IIRC it was from  Digital Press.   Greeting, Ferry    --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:53:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()] B Message-ID: <1109000462.28fee036a1c22c90b4c57a8ff6f01bf8@teranews>   Ferry Bolhar wrote: 7 > could also say /CLI=MCR. And IIRC there was a product : > named "DECShell" which emulates - more or less  useful - > a Bourne Shell under DCL.   ' So it gave vms a "Bourne Identity" ....    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:52:17 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> C Subject: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()] 8 Message-ID: <u66k11po2fboob22r8tbr9s594u5knfk7c@4ax.com>  K On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:53:23 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >Ferry Bolhar wrote:8 >> could also say /CLI=MCR. And IIRC there was a product; >> named "DECShell" which emulates - more or less  useful -  >> a Bourne Shell under DCL. > ( >So it gave vms a "Bourne Identity" ....  8 Just so long as it didn't become a "Bourne Supremacy":-)  O BTW The BASH shell available with GNV is a typical jokey UNIX name as it is the  Bourne Again SHell   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc)B Message-ID: <1108995203.ee152047d30d7e3587be7e772d67cb0a@teranews>  C VMS has a very standard nomemclature to name field and constants in  compiler/language modules   
 LHI$x_yyyyyyy   H where the "x" denotes the type of data (and implicit size of value), and yyyyyy denotes the name.   So, "L" is for a longword,     "W" is for a short word      "B" is for a single byte     "A" is for an address    What is T and S for ?    $EQU    LHI$L_MINORID   12 $EQU    LHI$S_LBRVER    32 $EQU    LHI$T_LBRVER    16 $EQU    LHI$L_CREDAT    48  C The doc says LBRVER is ASCIC version of the librarian. So one would F thing S stands for String. But what does T stand for (the value sseems to indicate field length)      $EQU    LHI$L_FREEBLK   72 $EQU    LHI$S_NEXTRFA   6  $EQU    LHI$B_NEXTRFA   76 $EQU    LHI$W_RFAXTR    82 $EQU    LHI$L_NEXTVBN   84   Now, here the plot thickens:  H They use B for the NEXTRFA field, and then use S to denote it is 6 bytesF long. And this sort of confuses the situation when you consider what S* was used for just a few fields beforehand.        0 Any explanation for what S and T are used for  ?        E Also, does anyone know where I might find the module that defines LHD  values/offsets/structures ? B (this is for the LBR$ routines which are incompletely documented).   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 09:03:27 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org2 Subject: Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc)3 Message-ID: <xURhPq08P75+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1108995203.ee152047d30d7e3587be7e772d67cb0a@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:E > VMS has a very standard nomemclature to name field and constants in  > compiler/language modules  >  > LHI$x_yyyyyyy  > J > where the "x" denotes the type of data (and implicit size of value), and > yyyyyy denotes the name. >  > So, "L" is for a longword, >     "W" is for a short word  >     "B" is for a single byte >     "A" is for an address  >  > What is T and S for ?   
 "T" = text> "S" = text size (in bytes or bits depending on the field type) "V" = bit offset "M" = bit mask   > $EQU    LHI$L_MINORID   12 > $EQU    LHI$S_LBRVER    32 > $EQU    LHI$T_LBRVER    16 > $EQU    LHI$L_CREDAT    48 > E > The doc says LBRVER is ASCIC version of the librarian. So one would H > thing S stands for String. But what does T stand for (the value sseems > to indicate field length)   > I read that as LBRVER is a 32 byte (maximum) field starting atG offset 16.  If it is indeed an ASCIC field, that means that the payload C can be between 0 and 31 bytes with the actual length encoded in the @ byte at LHI$T_LBRVER and the payload beginning at LHI$T_LBRVER+1   > $EQU    LHI$L_FREEBLK   72 > $EQU    LHI$S_NEXTRFA   6  > $EQU    LHI$B_NEXTRFA   76  9 And NEXTRFA is a 6 byte field starting at byte offset 76.    > $EQU    LHI$W_RFAXTR    82 > $EQU    LHI$L_NEXTVBN   84 >  > Now, here the plot thickens: > J > They use B for the NEXTRFA field, and then use S to denote it is 6 bytesH > long. And this sort of confuses the situation when you consider what S, > was used for just a few fields beforehand.  E Looks to me as if the meanings are the same as they were a few fields  beforehand.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:56:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc)B Message-ID: <1109000629.f1cc227f2094bbc02377cfd2d0ed3c94@teranews>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: @ > I read that as LBRVER is a 32 byte (maximum) field starting atI > offset 16.  If it is indeed an ASCIC field, that means that the payload E > can be between 0 and 31 bytes with the actual length encoded in the B > byte at LHI$T_LBRVER and the payload beginning at LHI$T_LBRVER+1  C Thanks. I later realised that instead of being 16 bytes starting at H offset 32, it was 32 bytes starting at offset 16 :-) So that settles theG confusion. But your precisions brought more precise meaning to the Size  and Text  tags.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:56:38 +0100 , From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>2 Subject: Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc)4 Message-ID: <1109001422.94497@proxy.dienste.wien.at>  J > where the "x" denotes the type of data (and implicit size of value), and > yyyyyy denotes the name. >  > So, "L" is for a longword, >     "W" is for a short word  >     "B" is for a single byte >     "A" is for an address    "Q" is for quadword * "O" is for octaword (but very rarely used) "M" is for bit mask  "V" is for bit value "C" and "K" are for constant   > What is T and S for ?  >  > $EQU    LHI$L_MINORID   12 > $EQU    LHI$S_LBRVER    32 > $EQU    LHI$T_LBRVER    16 > $EQU    LHI$L_CREDAT    48 > E > The doc says LBRVER is ASCIC version of the librarian. So one would H > thing S stands for String. But what does T stand for (the value sseems > to indicate field length)   K "S" stands for "size" and is used if the size of a data element isn't 1, 2,  4,E 8 or 16 bytes. In some cases, it indicates the size of an entire data 	 structure C as well. For example, the symbol PCB$S_PCB contains the size of the  PCB (process control block).  I "T" means "Text data" and indicates variable-sized text, usually in ASCIC A format. For example, the symbol PCB$T_TERMINAL defines the offset 8 into the PCB where the process' terminal name is stored.  G > Also, does anyone know where I might find the module that defines LHD  > values/offsets/structures ?   = LHI symbols are defined in module $LHIDEF in STARLET.MLB (for G MACRO-32). I don't know whether this module exists for other  languages @ as well, but there is code which converts MACRO-32 to suitable C
 header files.    Greetings, Ferry   --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:05:48 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 2 Subject: Re: Field name nomenclature (L, W, B etc)( Message-ID: <opsmj1nyzvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:56:38 +0100, Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>   wrote:  K >> where the "x" denotes the type of data (and implicit size of value), and  >> yyyyyy denotes the name.  >> >> So, "L" is for a longword,  >>     "W" is for a short word >>     "B" is for a single byte  >>     "A" is for an address >  > "Q" is for quadword , > "O" is for octaword (but very rarely used) > "M" is for bit mask  > "V" is for bit value > "C" and "K" are for constant >  >> What is T and S for ? >> >> $EQU    LHI$L_MINORID   12  >> $EQU    LHI$S_LBRVER    32  >> $EQU    LHI$T_LBRVER    16  >> $EQU    LHI$L_CREDAT    48  >>F >> The doc says LBRVER is ASCIC version of the librarian. So one wouldI >> thing S stands for String. But what does T stand for (the value sseems  >> to indicate field length) > L > "S" stands for "size" and is used if the size of a data element isn't 1,   > 2, > 4,G > 8 or 16 bytes. In some cases, it indicates the size of an entire data  > structure E > as well. For example, the symbol PCB$S_PCB contains the size of the  > PCB (process control block). > K > "T" means "Text data" and indicates variable-sized text, usually in ASCIC C > format. For example, the symbol PCB$T_TERMINAL defines the offset : > into the PCB where the process' terminal name is stored. > H >> Also, does anyone know where I might find the module that defines LHD >> values/offsets/structures ? > ? > LHI symbols are defined in module $LHIDEF in STARLET.MLB (for I > MACRO-32). I don't know whether this module exists for other  languages B > as well, but there is code which converts MACRO-32 to suitable C > header files.   ; FREJA> pipe lib/list PLI$STARLET.TLB | sear sys$pipe LHIDEF  $LHIDEF   ( If you have access to VAX do, $ HELP SDL   >  > Greetings, Ferry >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 03:36:52 -0800) From: carfer@gmail.com (Carlos Fernandez)  Subject: HFLOAT to XFLOAT = Message-ID: <f4a8f670.0502210336.5039fb56@posting.google.com>    HI, all   D I've programed a routine conversion using lib$ calls to convert data@ from HFLOAT to XFLOAT, and as I don't have available a file with( HFLOAT data can't test if it works well.  F What I need is a simple file with data in Hfloat and the equivalent inB ASCII for testing this routine. Does any one provided me with this sample?    Thanks in advanced.    Carlos Fernandez   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:35:29 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: HFLOAT to XFLOAT E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502211125560.22775@localhost.localdomain>   , On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Carlos Fernandez wrote:  F > What I need is a simple file with data in Hfloat and the equivalent C > in ASCII for testing this routine. Does any one provided me with   > this sample?  A Create yourself a macro-32 source file that contains things like:        .H_FLOATING  1.,2.,3.,4.     .H_FLOATING  3.14159265359@     .H_FLOATING  1.111111111111111111111111111111111 ; 33 digits:     .H_FLOATING  1.111111111111111111111111111111111E-49329     .H_FLOATING  1.111111111111111111111111111111111E4932      .H_FLOATING  0.84E-4932      .H_FLOATING  0.59E4932   etc.  . and use it as input data to your test routine.  G You could also create some 128 bit fields and fill them with all 0s or  @ all 1s and make sure that they give sensible values (0 and -max  respectively) for both formats.      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:52:27 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: LIBRARY: User data in module header ( MHDUSZ ) B Message-ID: <1109000406.6d5ac848c1888c73859b08148ee2e0dd@teranews>  A In a library, each module header has a predefined amount of bytes  reserved for user data.   A The number is specified at library creation time. (CRE$L_MHDUSZ )   C Is there a magic incantation of the LIBRARY command to specify some + userdata space when creating the library ?    F It seems that object libraries are created with a user data area of up to 33 bytes.H But by default, it seems to be 0 bytes for text and help libraries which@ means you can't store any comments or version information in it.  F Also, is it normal that for object libraries, the first 2 bytes of the- user data seem to be unprintable characters ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:34:55 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ...8 Message-ID: <3k5j11h2hhpj6p3kul4e9g9sin7116aru5@4ax.com>  L On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:01:15 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  I >What would be helpful with windows, since it's many times set up by the  G >user, not a system manager, is a wizard for setting up user accounts,  ? >and an automatic running of it during installation of windows.   3 AFAICR you do get exactly this with Windows XP now.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:58 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>F Subject: Re: Micro$oft warns of undetectable spyware security risk ..., Message-ID: <37tk8gF5hb3psU1@individual.net>   John Vottero wrote:   6 > "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote in message ( > news:37rvl9F5en1usU1@individual.net... > 
 >>Z wrote: >> >> >>>Karsten Nyblad wrote: >>>  >>> G >>>>I have heard of a tax calculation program for calcultating peoples  M >>>>personal taxes that needed administrators rights.  As far as I know, the  J >>>>Sims 2 childrens game needs administrators rights, cannot run if anti = >>>>virus software is installed, and does not run on XP SP 2.  >>>  >>> E >>>Microsoft in no way had anything to do with Sims or that tax calc  9 >>>software or the fact that it needs admin privs to run.  >>>  >>H >>Sorry, but it appears that M$ created the environment that encouraged . >>such, and for that they must take the blame. >>; >>Try running a debug session on NT without admin rights...  >  > : > I do it almost every day.  What problems are you having? >   K I had set of users complaining about it. Obviously more research is needed.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:04:09 -0800c( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>7 Subject: Microsoft Windows Logo on OpenVMS 8.2 Display?v/ Message-ID: <BE3F5489.77F7%roktsci@comcast.net>i   Did I read correctly?o  L Is the Microsoft Windows Logo actually on the Login Display for OpenVMS 8.2?    If so, Wh .. Wha .. Whe ... WHY?  J The world is coming to an end ... Wrath of God ... Old Testament stuff ...2 Dogs and Cats Sleeping together ... Mass Hysteria!  i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 03:57:11 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>C< Subject: Module CREDEF inconsistency between DEC-C and MacroB Message-ID: <1108975480.926ff8bd77b8df60d2df2fbe9483cc64@teranews>  @ In starlet.mlb, $CREDEF contains many more constant definitions, including $CRE$L_UHDMAX,E but CREDEF in either SYS$STARLET_C.TLB or DECC$RTLDEF.TLB lack those,  with definitions stopping at CRE$C_LENGTH  G I checked on an alpha machine and it is the same, except CREDEF doesn'tOA exist in the DECC$RTLDEF.TLB, it only exists on the STARLET_C.TLBa   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:20:07 +0100t2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>" Subject: Re: Need performance help* Message-ID: <cvc5j8$b3610@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------090503000000030804050809; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedd Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitf   David J Dachtera wrote:g > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  >>>-----Original Message-----p< >>>From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]# >>>Sent: February 20, 2005 11:48 AM. >>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >>>Subject: Re: Need performance helpT >>>n >> >>[snip...]  >> >>H >>>>Something to consider is to set up web site on Apache CSWS which hasH >>>>daily / weekly reports that the end users require. That way, you canB >>>>simply tell them to check the web site for the latest reports. >>>>= >>>>As I recall, there has been a few suggestions in the pastT >>>i >>>on how to set >>>e >>>>this up. >>>dE >>>...and by what magic do these reports get created so the users canr@ >>>display them? Seems to me key software layers remain missing. >>>  >>I >>Reports and graphs can be generated automatically by any number of free-J >>or commercial pkgs. Batch job then simply copies these reports/graphs toC >>web site (in appropriate format) where they are available for webR  >>viewing by BU's and end users. >>J >>As an example ECP (free) provides the capability to generate reports and	 >>graphs.0; >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ecp/index.htmle >  > 0 > ...which brings us back to my earlier comment: > I > "Yeah, looked at that too. Don't remember all the specifics, but I seemrH > to recall the automatable portions only offering the equivalent of theB > first page (tabular summary) of an SPM report (no histograms?)." > H > If you, as an OpenVMS ambassador, can provide any deeper insight, suchD > as how to get SPM/PSPA-like ACSII histograms out of ECP, or how toJ > automate TLViz, the result might be a disfavor to CA, but a very *LARGE** > favor to the OpenVMS community at large. > K I wrote a little piece of DCL, which uses the CSVPNG image to create a nice " HTML report of yesterdays T4 data.? This is then presented to the our users via a simple HTML page.c  
 Code snippet:E  L $ Spawn/Wait/Input=NL:/Output='Dev''Direc'T4_CSVPNG_'Node'_'Yesterday'.LOG -J          Csvpng 'Tmp' -w=800 -h=400 -l -b=1 -a=30 -t=06:00,20:00 -i      -J              -p=[mon.mode],split,[mon.syst],XFC,[mon.disk],[mon.page]    -"              -u='Yesterday'_'Node'  M The CSVPNG ist not part of T4, I received it after mailing Steve Lieman afteroE attending the Technical Updates in Germany. I'vw attached the Readme.-  	 mfg Kalle       & --------------090503000000030804050809 Content-Type: text/plain;m  name="CSVPNG.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="CSVPNG.TXT"  6 			CSVPNG V1.0-65 Readme                    5-Aug-2004  K This program generates line graphs from OpenVMS T4 CSV Files. T4 is a tool 'J developed by OpenVMS Engineering which monitors a system and converts the = Monitor utility output to Comma Separated Value format files.p  J CSVPNG is available for Alpha and IPF versions of OpenVMS, as well as for  Windows 2000/XP.  P To use the OpenVMS version you must first define a 'foreign command' as follows:  ) $CSVPNG :== $<disk:><dir>CSVPNG_ALPHA.EXEo  P If processing very large CSV files on an OpenVMS system you may need to increase PGFLQUOTA to about 800000. i  * The general format of a CSVPNG command is:  0    csvpng [options] <csv file 1> [csv file2] ...  M At least one CSV file must be specified. If more than one file is specified,  G the matching parameters from all the files are shown on the same chart.s  P Options may be specified using either '-' or '/' as a prefix. If an option takesE a value, use '=' to specify. Each option must be preceded by a space.e  M The generated charts are .PNG files and a HTML file, CSVPNG.HTM, is generatedeL which will display all the graphs. On a Windows system, view CSVPNG.HTM in aK browser to see the charts. On OpenVMS, view the html file using a suitable  @ browser, e.g. Mozilla or via a web browser from a Windows system   Options:   /average[=val][:0]   H       Moving Average. This specifies the moving average window size (in M       minutes) to use. The moving average line will be shown on the chart in eK       red. The peak period is shown (shaded) in the CSVPNG output. Typical tI       values to use for moving average are 10 or 60 mins. Append ':0' to pK       suppress the full line graph and show only the Moving Average graph. -       G       If /a is used without specifying a value, the average is plotted.s  9       /a cannot be used with overlay or multifile charts.r  O       If the /extract qualifier is also used, a new CSV file is generated with 1!       the moving average values.       /border[=val]   N       Border. If /b is used, the charts will have a gray border. The optional >       values specifies the chart background: 0 black, 1 white.     /correlate=val[:th]     F       Correlate. The parameter corresponding to the value supplied is F       checked for correlation with all the parameters specified by /p.F       Optionally, the correlation threshold can be specified by adding>       :<threshold>. The default correlation threshold is .65. I       Example: /c=3:.75 would check parameter 3 from the CSV file againsteM       the parameters specified by /p using a threshold of .75. A list of the  K       parameters meeting the correlation criteria is written to CORREL.LIS.r  N       To check correlation of all parameters use /c=0 or /c=ALL. For example, L       to check for exact correlation of all parameters use /c=ALL:1 /p=ALL. 
              /dots[=size][:color]     u  G       Dots. Prints a dot at each data point. The size of the dot can berN       set by using /d=<val>, The default is a small dot (val=1). The color of J       the dot can be specified by using the syntax /d=<val>:<color> where K       <color> is one of red, green, blue, magenta, yellow (first character m*       is sufficient), or use k for black.   @       Example: /d=2:red gives a round Red dot of 2 pixels radius8                /d=3:k gives a slightly bigger Black dot      /extract[=file][:n]       F       Extract. The parameters specified by /p, and matching the range D       specified by /t, are written to the specified file. If no file2       specification is given, T4_OUT.CSV is used.        K       If a value 'n' is specified, only every 'n'th record will be output.         M       If /a=n is also used, the average of 'n' records will be written to theeN       new CSV file. Note this average feature does not work with /x because no,       calculations are done when /x is used.          See also /xr          /fill           <       Fills in the area under each graph with a solid color.     /height=height    4       Specifies the required chart height in pixels.     /i                           L       Will not update or create History file. Also the PARAM.LIS, T4_LOG.LIS(       and T4_PEAK files are not created.     /j[=val]                           H       Exclude charts with constant data less than 'val'. If no value is G       specified 1 is used. If /j is not used, all charts with constant cF       data are excluded. Use this qualifier if you want to chart some C       parameters which are constant throughout the sampling period.,      /k="text":xy    J       Caption. Use this option to specify a line of text to be written at C       the top of the chart. A maximum of 80 characters can be used.mF       The font size and color can be controlled using this convention:I       Append :xy to the text string where 'x' is a code for Font size ande6       y is a code for Font color. Available codes are:             J       Font size: (T)iny, (S)mall, (L)arge [default], (M)ediumBold, (G)iantB 	  Font color: (R)ed [default], (B)lack, (G)reen, (Y)ellow, bl(U)e         For example:  =         /k="This is a sample Caption using Large Red Font":LR =         /k="This is a sample Caption using tiny blue Font":TUr
 	            a  " /lines[=value][:thickness][:color]  E       Prints grid lines on the chart and show a vertical scale. If a tJ       value (in minutes) is not specified, an appropriate default is used.  I       The chart line thickness and color can specified using this syntax:sN       /l=<value>:<thickness>:<color> where thickness determines the chart lineO       thickness (0 is the default value) and color is one of red, green, blue,  L       magenta, yellow (first character is sufficient), or use k for black.           Examples:-  N       /l=60 gives vertical lines every 60 minutes, default thickness and colorR       /l=15:1:g gives a thicker green chart line with vertical lines every 15 minsT       /l=10:0:r changes the chart line color to Green. The thickness id the default 6       value and vertical lines are every 10 minutes         w   /merge[=file]       D       Combine parameters from two or more CSV files. The output CSV M       file will contain parameters from all the specified CSV files with the t+       values for matching parameters added.i     /normalize      9       For Overlay charts, displays each graph normalized.q     /overlay[=val]        I       The selected parameters will be printed on one chart. A maximum of 0G       15 parameters may be used. If no value is used, the chart legend oF       will be at the side. If val=1, the legend will be placed at the H       bottom of the chart. Do not use this option with multifile charts,&       they are automatically overlaid.  o   /parameters=params     o  I       CSV Parameters. If 0 or 'ALL', all parameters from the file(s) willaJ       be graphed. If /p is not specified at all, you will be shown all theD       parameter headings in the file and asked to choose. A list of M       parameter numbers may be entered, e.g. /p=3,4,5,6. A numeric parameter  M       range may also be entered, e.g. /p=100-300. The parameters may also be uJ       entered as strings. e.g. if /p=disk is entered, all parameters with N       'disk' in the name will be graphed. A number of strings may be entered, K       e.g. /p="cpu 00",disk. If a string is preceded by '-' all parameters  J       containing that string will be excluded. Use quotes with multi-word M       strings. The list of parameters used is written to the file PARAM.LIS.  J       If /p=PARAM.LIS is used, the parameters from that file will be used.
                  /quiet          M       Quiet mode. The charts are generated but very little output is shown ons       the screen.a     /rules=[file]   H       Specify a Rules file to use. Default is T4RULES.LIS. See below for#       details of rules file format.      /stack          <       For Overlay or Multifile charts, stack each parameter.     /timerange=range   9       Only graph the records in the specified time range. I       The range should be specified as /t=hh:mm,hh:mm or, if the records 5L       are not from the same day, use /t=dd-mmm-yyyy:hh:mm,dd-mmm-yyyy:hh:mm      /u[=htmfile]    J       Just generates statistics listing. No charts are generated unless a J       filespec is provided. If a filespec is provide, the filename is alsoL       used for the naming of the .PNG files, e.g. <paramnum>_<filename>.png.     /version.       !       Shows the version of CSVPNG      /width=value    *       Specifies the chart width in pixels.     /x[=file][:n]       N       Extract. Same as /extract but exits immediately without creating graphs.         See /extract for details.g  (       You cannot use /a=n with /x=file:n               /y[=file]       C       Writes a list of specified parameter names to specified file.h     /zero[=value]           M       Zero base. Make the charts zero based. This is the default for overlay m"       charts and multifile charts.  P       If a value is supplied, the Y-scale will be from 0 to the specified value.    J If no parameter or qualifier is used, you are prompted for a CSV file and O size of chart required. This is intended to be a 'novice' mode. To avail of allk? the possible options, specify the commands on the command line.e  I A number of CSV files may be supplied on the command line. Wildcard file nK specifications can be used, e.g. T4_ALP*.CSV. If more than one CSV file is -N specified, the charts for all systems will be overlaid. The CSV files ideally I should be from the same time period and from the same cluster but CSVPNG rG attempts to match parameters from all supplied files. The CSV files cangL be specified in a file with file type .LIS. e,g, to graph parameters from 6 O cluster nodes, create a file, CSV.LIS, with the names of the six T4 CSV files,  A (one per line) and use CSV.LIS as the file parameter for CSVPNG. t  L Note that the parameters from the first CSV file specified are used for the H parameters to chart. e.g. if file1 has 100 parameters and file2 has 120 7 parameters only the 100 parameters from file1 are used.n  C Default values for some qualifiers can be specified in CSVPNG.CFG. i! Allowable entries in CSVPNG.CFG: .   average[=n]4 height=<nnn> width=<nnn>  liness
 border[=n] dots[=n] zero k="default caption"r+ ksize=<x>   ; x can be any of T, S, M, L, G + kcolor=<y>  ; y can be any of R, G, B, Y, Ue  1 lines starting with ';' in CSVPNG.CFG are ignoreda     Some example CSVPNG commands:i  	 Examples:l  C CSVPNG /p=all /w=600 /h=300 /l /b T4_MCSILO_24JUN2002_1155_2000.CSVdN generates a chart 600 x 300 pixels, with grid lines and border. All parameters in the file are graphed.  m+ '/p=0' or 'p=all' will chart all parameterslL '/p=cache' will chart all parameters containing 'cache' (not case sensitive)A '/p=[MON.DISK]' will chart all parameters containing '[MON.DISK]' < '/p="cpu 00" ' will chart all parameters containing 'cpu 00'O '/p=-[MON.DISK]' will chart all parameters except those containing '[MON.DISK]'a1 '/p=5,6,7,8' will chart parameters 5, 6, 7, and 8p    History File: y  ?  When CSVPNG is run it checks to see if a history file for that K  day exists. The format is CSVPNG_ddmmyyyy.HIS. If it does not exist, it ismK  created and every CSVPNG command is added to the .HIS file prefixed with atM  number, starting at 1 and incrementing for every command. To rerun a command0N  from the history file type CSVPNG n, where n is a number in the history file.O  Lines which do not start with a number are ignored, so the history file may beeK  edited to insert comments. The comment lines must not start with a number.y>  /i suppresses this feature and does not use the history file.      Calculated Parameters:   6  CSVPNG can do some 'column arithmetic'. For example, Q  columns can be added or subtracted to form a new parameter. To use this feature,aP  create a .LIS file containing parameter names and use this format to calculate N  new parameters (either ',' or '|' may be used as a delimiter between fields):  O  [CALC], <param 1>, <op1>, <param 2>, <op2>, <param 3>,...,<new parameter name>g  K  <param 'n'> should be a column name (or partial name) from the CSV file orrL  may be a constant value. The special codes, $CPUS, $MEMORY, may be used for:  the number of Cpus in the system and the physical memory.     <op'n'> must be one of: + - / *  E  <new parameter name> is the name of the new parameter to be created.i  M  The key words, $CPUS and $MEMORY, can be used in the [CALC] line to refer to,B  the Number of Cpus in the system and the total physical memory.    0  Up to 5 parameters and 4 operators may be used.  
  For example:o    create a file CALC.LIS   s4  [CALC], 100, -, Cpu 00 Idle, Calculated Cpu 00 Busy7  [CALC], $MEMORY, -, Free List Size, Memory Utilizationa  ,  and specify the .LIS with the /p qualifier.  ;  A calculated parameter may be used in a later [CALC] line.a  N  Calculated parameters will be written to the new CSV file generated by /e or   /xj    	 T4 Rules:e  L  CSVPNG can be used to trigger rules based on T4 data. To use this feature, .  create a file using the following guidelines:  L  Lines starting with ';' are ignored. Use '|' or ',' to separate each field.  #  Each line should have this format:   
  Type 1 Rule:   C    Field 1  | Field 2 | Field 3 |    Field 4              | Field 5nL  Param. name|operator |threshold|number of minutes to test|Caption for Chart   or 0  
  Type 2 Rule:   C    Field 1  | Field 2 | Field 3 |    Field 4              | Field 5DL  Param. name|operator |threshold|either Avg, Min, Max     |Caption for Chart  J Field 1 should contain a parameter name or partial name (case insensitive)  5 Field 2 must be one of the operators '<' '>' or '='. i  : Field 3 must be a number: the threshold value to test for.  O Field 4 can be a number (Type 1 Rule) or 'Avg', 'Max', 'Min', case insensitive r (Type 2 rule). LO For a Type 1 rule, the rule is fired if the threshold value is exceeded for the & specified number of minutes (period). N For a Type 2 rule, the Average, Maximum, or Minimum value of the parameter is # tested against the threshold value.r  M Field 5 is the caption you want displayed on the chart if the rule fires. YousM can use the keywords $P1 and $P2 as placeholders for the Threshold and Perioda of a type 1 rule.V  M Use the option /r=<filename) to specify the Rules file to use. If no file is -9 specified with /r, the default file used is T4RULES.LIS. <  N When a rule fires, the chart is drawn showing the threshold line and, for Type* 1 rules, where the threshold was exceeded.  O An additional HTML file is generated called T4RULES.HTM showing only the fired yO charts. Also, the fired parameter numbers are written to a file T4RULESPAR.LIS.e  ( Some examples of entries in T4RULES.LIS:  J Cpu 00 Idle|<|20|5|CPU 00 Idle % was less than 20% for more than 5 minutesB split|>|3|A|Average Split Transfer Rate average was greater than 3; como| >| 1| a| On average more than 1 process in COMO statet   P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  # The format of a T4 CSV file can be:i  	 Format 1:m'   The first four lines are header data:a  Q   line1:   Header information containing T4 revision info and system information.l+   line2:   Collection date  (optional line)>+   line3:   Start time       (optional line)m0   line4:   Parameter Headings (comma separated).  N   The remaining lines are the comma separated values. The first column is the G sample time. Each line represents a sample, typically 60 seconds apart.a   or i	 Format 2: Q   line1:   Header information containing T4 revision info and system information.5'   line2:   $$$ START COLUMN HEADERS $$$o/   line3:   parameter headings (comma separated)e    .    .    .%   line'n': $$$ END COLUMN HEADERS $$$7  3 Here is a simple example of a format 1 T4 CSV file:e  K EMPIRE, T4EXTR Version: T4 Version : V3.2-15 ... 01-Oct-2002,OpenVMS V7.2-2y&  7-NOV-2002,  7-NOV-2002,  7-NOV-2002, 10:43, 10:43, 10:43tC [MON]Sample Time,[MON.SYST]Direct I/O Rate,[MON.PAGE]Free List Sizen  7-NOV-2002 10:44:00.16,81,2121r  7-NOV-2002 10:45:00.19,79,2122   7-NOV-2002 10:46:00.22,19,2123t  7-NOV-2002 10:47:00.26,3,2124  7-NOV-2002 10:48:00.29,0,2125  7-NOV-2002 10:49:00.30,0,2126  7-NOV-2002 10:50:00.32,20,2137      " Feedback and comments are welcome!   pat.moran@hp.com  ( --------------090503000000030804050809--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:28:24 -0500E' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>E" Subject: RE: Need performance helpR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F65F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20! > Sent: February 20, 2005 4:14 PMh > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms$ > Subject: Re: Need performance help >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >=20  	 [snip...]o   > >=20
 > > David, > >=206 > > I know this was discussed a few times before on=20 > comp.os.vms, but having ; > > just installed VMS 8.2 on my work and home lab Alpha=20e > systems, I will doG > > some testing with the new ECP V5.5 flavour and generate some samplem* > > reports with some tips-n-tricks stuff. > >=20 > > :-)t >=20E > Thanx! Interested in seeing the output, and even more interested in9) > seeing the commands used to produce it.e >=20 > --=20j   [snip]  	 David,=20.  H While poking around, I came across the following example of web enabling% OpenVMS performance reports using T4:   F http://www.firstdbasource.com/t4/t4chart.php (after selecting options,+ hit submit and then scroll down for charts)t   Btw, T4 info is at: / http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/tdc/   G Note - I am still doing some midnight project work on this, but thoughti4 the info above might be of interest in the meantime.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 05:42:01 -0800& From: merrittr@gmail.com (rob merritt)$ Subject: Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!= Message-ID: <36afd772.0502210542.37f3d6b2@posting.google.com>f   nope that didn't seem to helpC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:58:28 -0500e> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>$ Subject: RE: OpenVms decNet Routing!M Message-ID: <4B814EC79D465544B947C5D1FEC9D00979C2C0@LNGALBEXCP006.BENDER.COM>F  J I could be wrong, but recall that after you make the change (regardless of= the error message), you need to reboot for it to take effect.,   Have you tried rebooting?    :) jck John   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: merrittr@gmail.com [mailto:merrittr@gmail.com]) > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:42 AMS > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi& > Subject: Re: OpenVms decNet Routing! >  >  > nope that didn't seem to helpw >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 12:39:28 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)1 Subject: RE: So how big a parachute did she have?e3 Message-ID: <NwaMp+kNu0DR@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  c In article <7LMF1nBi$y3W@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:LC > Some people have suggested that HP could have acquired Compaq buts% > omitted the parts that do PC stuff.   I As in have DEC acquired by HP instead of COMPAQ. Probably would have beeni' better all around than what did happen.y  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"e& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdflL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  @         You [should] not examine legislation in the light of theD         benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in theF         light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause ifF         improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of         the U.S.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:14:10 +0100r, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>- Subject: Strange behaviour of ACCOUNTING toolr5 Message-ID: <1108988057.709972@proxy.dienste.wien.at>r  	 Hi folks,a  = I have observed a strange behaviour with the ACCOUNTING tool:K   Entering  " $ ACCOUNTING/TYPE=PRINT/SORT=QUEUE   results in this message:  & %SORT-W-SYSERROR, system service error  4 And that's all. Occurs with any kind of /SORT value.  + Can anyone explain this? What's wrong here?i  8 BTW, this is an AlphaServer DS25 running OpenVMS V7.3-2.   Greetings from Vienna,   Ferrys -- o   Ing. Ferry Bolharh% Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAm E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.aty   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:17:22 +0100s3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> 1 Subject: Re: Strange behaviour of ACCOUNTING toole* Message-ID: <4219d1b1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in message / news:1108988057.709972@proxy.dienste.wien.at...e > Hi folks,s >e ...l >m$ > $ ACCOUNTING/TYPE=PRINT/SORT=QUEUE >w > results in this message: >a( > %SORT-W-SYSERROR, system service error >  ...H  # Works for me on ES40 OpenVMS 7.3-2.   E Some strange thing in your environment, like using hypersort or such?f  
 Best, Gorazd e   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 08:01:42 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com@ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2B Message-ID: <1109001702.791772.83870@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  E >> And seeing the Windows logo every day will soften VMS customers to0C >> the idea of migrating to Windows, and this will finally allow HPe< >> to EOL VMS and offer attractive migration to Windows withD >> Microsoft getting all the money and HP getting none, a move whichA >> Wall Street Casino analysts will applaud and the HP board willd >> get big bonuses. :-)   F Not to mention the increase in sales of monitors due to fist and otherG blunt object impacts at the sight of the logo d'mediocrity on their VMS" system's screen...   Brian,G      does the problem exist on V8.2 Alpha?  I haven't received our kitsf for either platform yet...   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:54:08 GMTQ" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG@ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.20 Message-ID: <00A3FB94.836E5AC4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <1109001702.791772.83870@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes: F >>> And seeing the Windows logo every day will soften VMS customers toD >>> the idea of migrating to Windows, and this will finally allow HP= >>> to EOL VMS and offer attractive migration to Windows withaE >>> Microsoft getting all the money and HP getting none, a move whichPB >>> Wall Street Casino analysts will applaud and the HP board will >>> get big bonuses. :-) >iG >Not to mention the increase in sales of monitors due to fist and othersH >blunt object impacts at the sight of the logo d'mediocrity on their VMS >system's screen...o >. >Brian,AH >     does the problem exist on V8.2 Alpha?  I haven't received our kits >for either platform yet...   G I received only IA64 distribution, no Alpha, for V8.2 so I can tell you-& anything about the behaviour on Alpha.   -- rK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:29:23 GMTL" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: TCPIP SSH... -X is almost there!c0 Message-ID: <00A3FB99.704370BE@SendSpamHere.ORG>   It's nearly there...  ? I installed the latest OpenVMS 8.2 and TCPIP V5.5 on my rx2600.d  L I configured SSH on the rx2600 and then, out of habit, issued ssh -X from myL Apple Powerbook G4 to log into the rx2600.  I typed SHOW LOGICAL/PROCESS/JOBL and I took notice of a DECW$DISPLAY defined in the job table.  It translatedN to: mad.tmesis.com:10.0   This looked strangely like a unix host and display  $ string.  So, I issued the following:  B $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=mad.tmesis.com/SERVER=10/TRANSPORT=TCPIP  	 and then,e   $ MCR DECW$PUZZLEc  2 The puzzle popped up on my Powerbook's display! :)    : Why couldn't TCPIP engineering take the next logical step?   -- mK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM2            55   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:35:10 GMTd6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customerss> Message-ID: <islSd.15574$Go4.1201203@twister.southeast.rr.com>  = This isn't so much targeted at you Tom but everyone in cov...1  K Keith is right on target.  This is the result of several people outside of 1M HP.  However several people inside HP are involved and are always willing to  G assist.  When it comes from the community (customer base) it obviously s carries more weight.  K Everyone wanted to see VMS mentioned more in the press.  Well, some inside i, and outside have made sure that's happening.  H It's actually very simple. Email trade press writers and tell them they J should/need to write and article about VMS.  Tell them you can muster the ! community to provide quotes, etc.)  L The bad part is these writers are always on a tight schedule.  They usually J contact you days before the article needs to be written, hence the urgent 6 messages we've had to push out every couple of months.  J I'll tell you one way things could be made easier.  I can start a list of M people that are willing to talk to the press and their company is will allow SK it.  The volunteers can name certain areas of "specialty" such as disaster nE tolerance, clustering, rdb, etc.  I can then post this list with the vK specialties (no names).  The list will target writers and tell them we can LL assemble the customers quickly so that they can be interviewed.  Sound good?  : Take a look at this page and let me know what you think...  + http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Pressd   Kena   OpenVMS.orgy% _____________________________________b Kenneth R. Farmer <><l% SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.comn      > "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message < news:4218c59e$0$24940$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net... > Tom Linden wrote:a >r% >> I'll reply as I posted on oracledb  >>E >> Surely there is somebody within HP for such a responsibility, with D >> access to the customer base,  a swat team of some sort, who wouldJ >> jump on this opportunity and milk it for what it is worth.  Asking thisF >> group to volunteer, even though I know many are willing, is frankly6 >> less than professional, at least on the part of HP. >>@ > The following were my replies in the OracleRdb JCC Listserver. >r > Hi Tom and Robert, >oH > as I understand things this IS part of a grass roots effort to promoteB > OpenVMS to a wider audience. A growing group of individuals are D > cooperating to inform journalists and their readers of the unique @ > advantages of  OpenVMS (and Oracle Rdb as a classic part of a K > mission-.critical solution). I am certainly not acting as representative s" > of my employer in this capacity. >>D > One recent action by this group contributed to the publishing of a1 > favorable article concerning Rdb in Datamation..= > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/datbus/article.php/3441111  >>M > If such an action is "pedestrian", then so be it. Nobody is stopping HP or sG > Oracle from improving their professional marketing of these advanced >D > technologies. Some of us are not willing to sit back and wait for M > journalists, professors, scientists and managers to finally wake up, study  F > and realize how much more advanced and sophisticated the design and M > architecture of VMS and Rdb is for the enterprise mission-critical problem b7 > space in comparison to it's more popular competitors.a > L > I have repeatedly discussed the scientific basis of the design advantages J > in another forum (C.O.V.), which in many cases can't be attained by the M > competitors without a complete redesign, which would also require breaking vK > upward compatibility with current applications (due to false assumptions oC > in their design about what privileges and capabilities should be eA > accessible without honoring some formal request and validation g > methodologies).7 >k	 > Cheers!t >t > Keith Cayembergr >tL > By the way, regarding our "pedestrian" or "grass roots" marketing I would ! > prefer a designation such as.... >H4 > OpenVMS Technologies Guerilla Marketing Associates >O >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:53:07 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersjB Message-ID: <4219e7c4$0$13224$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:8? > This isn't so much targeted at you Tom but everyone in cov...s > M > Keith is right on target.  This is the result of several people outside of SO > HP.  However several people inside HP are involved and are always willing to $I > assist.  When it comes from the community (customer base) it obviously   > carries more weight. > M > Everyone wanted to see VMS mentioned more in the press.  Well, some inside -. > and outside have made sure that's happening. > J > It's actually very simple. Email trade press writers and tell them they L > should/need to write and article about VMS.  Tell them you can muster the # > community to provide quotes, etc.5 > N > The bad part is these writers are always on a tight schedule.  They usually L > contact you days before the article needs to be written, hence the urgent 8 > messages we've had to push out every couple of months. > L > I'll tell you one way things could be made easier.  I can start a list of O > people that are willing to talk to the press and their company is will allow >M > it.  The volunteers can name certain areas of "specialty" such as disaster hG > tolerance, clustering, rdb, etc.  I can then post this list with the TM > specialties (no names).  The list will target writers and tell them we can oN > assemble the customers quickly so that they can be interviewed.  Sound good? > < > Take a look at this page and let me know what you think... > - > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Press  >  > Kent > 
 > OpenVMS.orgy' > _____________________________________> > Kenneth R. Farmer <><n' > SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com  >  >  > @ > "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message > > news:4218c59e$0$24940$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net... >  >>Tom Linden wrote:y >> >>% >>>I'll reply as I posted on oracledbf >>>pE >>>Surely there is somebody within HP for such a responsibility, with1D >>>access to the customer base,  a swat team of some sort, who wouldJ >>>jump on this opportunity and milk it for what it is worth.  Asking thisF >>>group to volunteer, even though I know many are willing, is frankly6 >>>less than professional, at least on the part of HP. >>>u >>@ >>The following were my replies in the OracleRdb JCC Listserver. >> >>Hi Tom and Robert, >>H >>as I understand things this IS part of a grass roots effort to promoteB >>OpenVMS to a wider audience. A growing group of individuals are D >>cooperating to inform journalists and their readers of the unique @ >>advantages of  OpenVMS (and Oracle Rdb as a classic part of a K >>mission-.critical solution). I am certainly not acting as representative t" >>of my employer in this capacity. >>D >>One recent action by this group contributed to the publishing of a1 >>favorable article concerning Rdb in Datamation.T= >>http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/datbus/article.php/3441111  >>M >>If such an action is "pedestrian", then so be it. Nobody is stopping HP or -G >>Oracle from improving their professional marketing of these advanced rD >>technologies. Some of us are not willing to sit back and wait for M >>journalists, professors, scientists and managers to finally wake up, study 3F >>and realize how much more advanced and sophisticated the design and M >>architecture of VMS and Rdb is for the enterprise mission-critical problem 	7 >>space in comparison to it's more popular competitors.h >>L >>I have repeatedly discussed the scientific basis of the design advantages J >>in another forum (C.O.V.), which in many cases can't be attained by the M >>competitors without a complete redesign, which would also require breaking  K >>upward compatibility with current applications (due to false assumptions oC >>in their design about what privileges and capabilities should be  A >>accessible without honoring some formal request and validation s >>methodologies).f >>	 >>Cheers!V >> >>Keith Cayembergt >>L >>By the way, regarding our "pedestrian" or "grass roots" marketing I would ! >>prefer a designation such as...l >>4 >>OpenVMS Technologies Guerilla Marketing Associates >>   Ken,  F I think that's a great idea. That way were being proactive instead of D reactive. However, I think we should continue to make announcements E (with a link to your new promotional page) in the various venues and cD forums, by each new press opportunity, to help the list to continue @ growing and to bring fresh customers and opinions to the effort.   Cheers!y   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:50:56 -0800M# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>eK Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customersn( Message-ID: <opsmjve6y0zgicya@hyrrokkin>  2 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:35:10 GMT, Kenneth Farmer  & <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> wrote:  ? > This isn't so much targeted at you Tom but everyone in cov...  >iK > Keith is right on target.  This is the result of several people outside    > ofE > HP.  However several people inside HP are involved and are always  i > willing toH > assist.  When it comes from the community (customer base) it obviously > carries more weight. >rG > Everyone wanted to see VMS mentioned more in the press.  Well, some  r > inside. > and outside have made sure that's happening. >SI > It's actually very simple. Email trade press writers and tell them they[K > should/need to write and article about VMS.  Tell them you can muster thee# > community to provide quotes, etc.e >aG > The bad part is these writers are always on a tight schedule.  They  r	 > usuallypK > contact you days before the article needs to be written, hence the urgento8 > messages we've had to push out every couple of months. > K > I'll tell you one way things could be made easier.  I can start a list of J > people that are willing to talk to the press and their company is will   > allow E > it.  The volunteers can name certain areas of "specialty" such as  g
 > disasterF > tolerance, clustering, rdb, etc.  I can then post this list with theJ > specialties (no names).  The list will target writers and tell them we   > can/J > assemble the customers quickly so that they can be interviewed.  Sound   > good?u >/< > Take a look at this page and let me know what you think... > - > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Pressz  3 Looks good.  I will send the link to our customers.d  J What flabbergasts me, is that (Now I'm beginning to sound like John Smith)K is that because HP isn't willing/able to market the product in spite of thenF fact that VMS contributed $867Million gross profit to fiscal 2004, theB loyalist/guerillas are trying to do it for them, without a budget!  - Can't recall a similar situation in the past.g   >b > Kenl > 
 > OpenVMS.orga' > _____________________________________p > Kenneth R. Farmer <><,' > SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com  >/ >a >w? > "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in messageg> > news:4218c59e$0$24940$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net... >> Tom Linden wrote: >>& >>> I'll reply as I posted on oracledb >>> F >>> Surely there is somebody within HP for such a responsibility, withE >>> access to the customer base,  a swat team of some sort, who wouldoK >>> jump on this opportunity and milk it for what it is worth.  Asking this G >>> group to volunteer, even though I know many are willing, is franklyi7 >>> less than professional, at least on the part of HP.u >>>cA >> The following were my replies in the OracleRdb JCC Listserver.i >> >> Hi Tom and Robert,t >>I >> as I understand things this IS part of a grass roots effort to promoteeB >> OpenVMS to a wider audience. A growing group of individuals areD >> cooperating to inform journalists and their readers of the unique@ >> advantages of  OpenVMS (and Oracle Rdb as a classic part of aK >> mission-.critical solution). I am certainly not acting as representatives# >> of my employer in this capacity.m >>E >> One recent action by this group contributed to the publishing of ap2 >> favorable article concerning Rdb in Datamation.> >> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/datbus/article.php/3441111 >>L >> If such an action is "pedestrian", then so be it. Nobody is stopping HP   >> or G >> Oracle from improving their professional marketing of these advanced D >> technologies. Some of us are not willing to sit back and wait forI >> journalists, professors, scientists and managers to finally wake up,  [ >> studyF >> and realize how much more advanced and sophisticated the design andG >> architecture of VMS and Rdb is for the enterprise mission-critical   
 >> problem8 >> space in comparison to it's more popular competitors. >>C >> I have repeatedly discussed the scientific basis of the design   
 >> advantageseJ >> in another forum (C.O.V.), which in many cases can't be attained by theF >> competitors without a complete redesign, which would also require   >> breakingsK >> upward compatibility with current applications (due to false assumptionsiC >> in their design about what privileges and capabilities should be A >> accessible without honoring some formal request and validationt >> methodologies). >>
 >> Cheers! >> >> Keith Cayemberg >>H >> By the way, regarding our "pedestrian" or "grass roots" marketing I   >> would" >> prefer a designation such as... >>5 >> OpenVMS Technologies Guerilla Marketing Associatesr >> >> >r >        -- tC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:32:14 -0500w- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>eK Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersaB Message-ID: <1108995600.33c2fef7d6fe664f260ccce4cb94811c@teranews>  6 > >>OpenVMS Technologies Guerilla Marketing Associates    I had "VAG"  "VMS Action Group".  5 (you can replace Action with Activist if you like :-)f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:14:05 +0100o0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomershB Message-ID: <4219fabd$0$13225$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   JF Mezei wrote:   6 >>>>OpenVMS Technologies Guerilla Marketing Associates >  > " > I had "VAG"  "VMS Action Group". > 7 > (you can replace Action with Activist if you like :-)   = Only that we have no intention of being "vague" about VMS :-)   > Although OTGMA (Oat'-ge-ma?) is a little hard to pronounce :-\  D I think Guerilla Marketing is indeed what we are performing, and we A should generally be inclusive of all OpenVMS-based products  and tD technologies which will bring in testimonies of customers promoting E OpenVMS. Witness for instance the number of Rdb customers which have  . joined the party at Ken Farmer's new web page.   Cheers!g   K.C.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 09:36:30 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customersl3 Message-ID: <HJ8trsD47VYX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opsmjve6y0zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  L > What flabbergasts me, is that (Now I'm beginning to sound like John Smith)M > is that because HP isn't willing/able to market the product in spite of the H > fact that VMS contributed $867Million gross profit to fiscal 2004, theD > loyalist/guerillas are trying to do it for them, without a budget!  I Customer references are more impressive if they are not straight from ther HP press office.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:01:11 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersfB Message-ID: <1109000929.eefaf9538870796ad835ec7b4ee9e9f4@teranews>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:K > Customer references are more impressive if they are not straight from theV > HP press office.    G Yes and no. One of the major problems of VMS is the lack of very public H engagement of HP towards VMS. So if HP were to flaunt some VMS customersF and make sure that it is mentioned they use VMS, then that would be anE very good thing. If they just flaunt the POst Office as a HP customers5 without mentioning VMS, then it is useless marketing.[    G If you want to convince a potential cistomer to jump into VMS, you mustdG first convince him that HP really does intent to work with and grow thelD VMS product line and bring it back to health. And it is that portionG which is missing and which makes our lives much harder because HP lacksn4 credibility with its "plan of record" broken record.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:13:01 -0500o( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customersb= Message-ID: <TZadnaiodoMTlYffRVn-gw@metrocastcablevision.com>f   Kenneth Farmer wrote:y   ...i  9 > Everyone wanted to see VMS mentioned more in the press.m  H Actually, that's not true:  at least some of us wanted to see *HP* be a I lot more active in promoting and supporting VMS - both as an act of good w: faith and as a clear indication of long-term 'commitment'.  F In the presence of such action from HP, customer support in the press H would be a good thing.  In the absence of such action from HP, customer I support in the press would be more apt to obscure the very real concerns  F any new customers should have about its owner's intentions - a rather H selfish act by those already committed to VMS to try to expand interest E in the product (in the hope that its owner would *finally* show some rL itself) regardless of the risk they might be exposing others to by doing so.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:52:52 -0500L# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>,K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customerse, Message-ID: <pJqdnRsPVeB5jIffRVn-1A@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:= > Larry Kilgallen wrote:C >> Customer references are more impressive if they are not straighte >> from the HP press office. >t >fB > Yes and no. One of the major problems of VMS is the lack of veryG > public engagement of HP towards VMS. So if HP were to flaunt some VMSvF > customers and make sure that it is mentioned they use VMS, then thatG > would be an very good thing. If they just flaunt the POst Office as aIC > HP customer without mentioning VMS, then it is useless marketing.  >= >,D > If you want to convince a potential cistomer to jump into VMS, youE > must first convince him that HP really does intent to work with andtG > grow the VMS product line and bring it back to health. And it is thatt@ > portion which is missing and which makes our lives much harderG > because HP lacks credibility with its "plan of record" broken record.     L HP can't stop a customer from talking about their use of  or experience withI VMS. The way I read it, those customers who sign-up for speaking with therF press are proud of what they've accomplished with VMS (courtesy of VMSG Engineering) and aren't willing to wait for HP to step up to the plate.s  J If HP *did* try to 'muzzle' them - it would get HP far more negative pressK than they'd know what to do with - it would be in every business section ofeI every newspaper and business magazine, and you could bet that IBM and SunaJ and Dell would milk that for all it's worth for as long as their PR peopleJ could put spin on it with their media contacts. - least that's what I'd do if I were in their shoes.      --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.104 ************************