1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 105       Contents: ** J F  M E Z E I  F A Q **  Re: ** J F  M E Z E I  F A Q **  ANN: JUMP for Itanium  Re: APC UPS Integration  Re: Batch Queue  Re: Batch Queue : Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system) Re: Data replication / disaster tolerance ) RE: Data replication / disaster tolerance ) Re: Data replication / disaster tolerance  Re: looking for a new job 1 Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions 2 Re: Microsoft Windows Logo on OpenVMS 8.2 Display?2 Re: Microsoft Windows Logo on OpenVMS 8.2 Display?! Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP  Re: Need performance help  NTP Problem  Re: NTP Problem  Re: OpenVms decNet Routing! 6 Re: OT: PC is crap (was Curly soon to be out of a job)! Post Office as an HP VMS customer % Re: Post Office as an HP VMS customer % Re: Post Office as an HP VMS customer % Re: Post Office as an HP VMS customer ( Re: Strange behaviour of ACCOUNTING tool7 Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.2 B Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomersB Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customers  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 20:20:28 -0000# From: faqsrus@faqs.r.us (FAQs R Us) $ Subject: ** J F  M E Z E I  F A Q **3 Message-ID: <AF4JATZQ38405.1808796296@reece.net.au>    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  @ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups.    (Rev. Jan. 23, 2005)   Written by:    Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CA    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and+ abuse@astraweb.com and abuse@teranews.com .   ! Also http://www.usenetabuse.com .   " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259  9 His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com and  jfmezei@vaxination.ca .   ) His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .   * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  work?   E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?   @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and C social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!   ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.   A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his A trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while F you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com& abuse@teranews.com, abuse@astraweb.com   also http://www.usenetabuse.com   7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.    TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev># Janice Staples <jstaples@noaol.com> ) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:48:59 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> ( Subject: Re: ** J F  M E Z E I  F A Q **A Message-ID: <%OrSd.3066$Ba3.396@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>    FAQs R Us wrote:   > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
 >    About
 > JF MEZEI > B > The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the > sci.space.* newsgroups.  >  > (Rev. Jan. 23, 2005) > 
 > Written by:  >  > Darrell Larose > 121 Northwestern Ave > Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 > (613) 725-0245 > cota348@rogers.com > ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CA  >  > 1.  Who is JF Mezei? > E > Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever E > hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 6 > one of the longest running trolls in usenet history. > E > ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E > E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  > THEIR MESSAGES.*** > G > If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor G > the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your > > messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and- > abuse@astraweb.com and abuse@teranews.com .  > # > Also http://www.usenetabuse.com .  > $ > 2.  How long has he been trolling? >  > For well over a decade.  >  > 3.  Where does he live?  >  > Montreal, Quebec, Canada >  > Jean-Francois Mezei  > 86 Harwood Gate  > Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  > (514) 992-0474 > (514) 695-8259 > ; > His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com and  > jfmezei@vaxination.ca .  > + > His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .  > , > 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll? > E > His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades F > your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayH > in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  HeB > does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything6 > anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theC > misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes E > right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his H > ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you > say!"  >  > 5.  What does he troll about?  > H > His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeD > hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itE > into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  > making lewd posts. > & > 6.  What does he hate about the USA? > G > Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have G > a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a D > happier, better, more successful version of their country and they@ > can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushE > regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are D > brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are > stupid" etc. > % > 7.  What about his sexual trolling?  > G > Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. @ > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sC > genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of " > course) ... the list is endless. >  > 8.  Circumcision???  > H > Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes> > to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.E > Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor D > Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasD > born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in CanadaB > where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he wasA > psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he B > arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofG > circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a B > free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toD > masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"H > getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in) > life to spread the circumcision gospel.  > B > 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of	 > freaky.  > B > Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theG > subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, G > especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little B > girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatE > children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't . > grow up "sexually repressed like Americans". > G > He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their E > little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, H > proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.C > Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  > little boys' penises.  > B > 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the- > minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?  > F > Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a) > decade full of Mezei trolling in there.  > E > 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  > time like all trolls do? > D > Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known > trolling aliases.  > C > 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  > work?  > G > Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a E > grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and B > trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tH > trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the% > planes down the runway in his bike.  > ; > 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?  > F > Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverC > got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor H > (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been > able to outgrow. > E > 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  > them, is that true?  > B > Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theD > locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has? > seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural H > obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toD > measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyH > have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case > of phimosis. > B > 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an > insane asylum! > F > Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin= > foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to H > understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldF > is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all > about. > F > What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railF > system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,F > spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atD > the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toE > aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the E > abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent H > takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatG > when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees F > went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverG > up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of = > the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.  > 8 > 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him! > H > His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someG > ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken C > seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and E > social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 3 > good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  > # > 17.  Where else does he hang out?  > B > can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyF > computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heD > invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andH > trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapG > he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go F > crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking
 > his wounds.  > C > 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  > doesn't troll. > H > Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so@ > he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heC > respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his C > trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  > netkook he is. > H > 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind > of psycho he is! > G > Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while H > you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fidoA > too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. > 6 > 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address? > F > Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts > to:  > , > abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com( > abuse@teranews.com, abuse@astraweb.com > ! > also http://www.usenetabuse.com  > 9 > You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.  >  > TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  > 330 Richmond St., Suite 205  > Chatham, ON, Canada 	 > N7M 1P7  > F > And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,E > email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to F > newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do > with Montreal or Canada, etc.  >  >  > *** APPENDIX *** > B > List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theH > years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to > compile a full list. >  > jfmezei@teksavvy.com > jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com > jfmezei@istop.com  > jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  > jfmezei@videotron.ca > jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  > nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca   > "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] >  > nobody <nobody@nobody.com> > nobody <nobody@nobody.net> > nobody <nobody@nobody.org> > nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  > nobody <nobody@nobody.int> > nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  > nobody <nobody@null.dev>% > Janice Staples <jstaples@noaol.com> + > Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ) > Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  > muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> > Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> % > snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> + > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> ( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> $ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> * > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> ' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org> " > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> & > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> ' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> ( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> ' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> ( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> * > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> ' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> & > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> * > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> + > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> $ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> , > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  > Q <queue@continuum.net>  > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>  > = > *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*  >     @ Well for cripes sake I never knew any of this stuff - thank you!   --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:01:18 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com>  Subject: ANN: JUMP for Itanium* Message-ID: <421A4C1E.1010602@goatley.com>  : Thanks to Jonathan Ridler, JUMP V5.0 is now available from8 my freeware archives.  This version runs on OpenVMS VAX,  OpenVMS Alpha, and OpenVMS IA64.  = JUMP lets a suitably-privileged user log into another account B without using a password, but it has lots of safeguards to control access to its features.    http://www.process.com/openvms/   4 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip9 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip   0 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip5 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip    And on the other mirrors soon.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:04 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: APC UPS Integration0 Message-ID: <111kq72323fvhaf@corp.supernews.com>   Michael D. Ober wrote:J > Does anyone have software to integrate an APC UPS system into a AlphaVMS& > server via the server's serial port? > 	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >  >  >    Check with Brian, aka VAXMAN   www.tmesis.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 14:02:57 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Batch QueueC Message-ID: <1109023377.615702.126410@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   C Wow this system sounds great I wish I had known about it before....    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Feb 2005 22:53:24 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>  Subject: Re: Batch Queue7 Message-ID: <Xns9604F34DCD6BAdcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   H %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Stephen  Costigan wrote in news:1109023377.615702.126410 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com   E > Wow this system sounds great I wish I had known about it before....   K I'm not about to give you administrative privileges, but you're welcome to  I open an account on the Deathrow Cluster (see sig) and play.  You'll find  I we've a number of queues for mail and batch jobs and can see some of the  F structures people can define first-hand.  You can also read the Notes G conference where we've a number of people who've learned the basics of  A system administration from questions asked there.  For seriously  1 comprehensive Notes conferences, look for EISNER.   I Another option is to set up a VAX emulator such as sim-h, and if you can  H get VAX/VMS media you can install the OS on that and actually manage an  (albeit virtual) VAX.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:04:30 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union systeme, Message-ID: <kvydnRQrA8Ylr4ffRVn-gA@igs.net>   Stephen Costigan wrote:cE > Thanks guys i am not going to go into the only job interview that i D > have lined up for next week and lie to them about my skills....  ID > have never used an openVMS system as a manager, but I have managedC > multisite multi platform mission criticle cluster servers for theaE > past year.  I think that if I get the manual and the specific tasks G > that need to be performed on a daily basis for the credit union I caniB > master those commands and then slowly think of ways that I couldE > streamline - improve the system and teach myself what is neeeded tomD > make it happen. Over the next year as long as I understand the VMSD > system i can recocmend strategies for enhancments or front end webG > application integrations.  This is what my plan is.  I agree with alltF > of you that it would be wrong to lie about my skills.  I hope that IA > can post my questions here when i have them related to OpenVMS.o    K Actually, using VMS will break you of all those bad unix and Windows habitslG you have probably acquired and make you wonder how they could get it soe wrong for so long.   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.o   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 14:01:13 -08005 From: "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com>sC Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union systemsB Message-ID: <1109023273.048673.86020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  ' I look foward to it... Thanks everyone.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:58:07 GMTr From: Hippo Bob <hbob@kiwi.net> C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union system02 Message-ID: <Xns9604A2720D4C58902470895@68.6.19.6>  G On 21 Feb 2005, "Stephen  Costigan" <stephencostigan@gmail.com> posted n? some news:1109023273.048673.86020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:s  ) > I look foward to it... Thanks everyone.f >   " Steve Costigan from Massey Knakal?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:41:20 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>C Subject: Re: Beginner I have a question about a credit union systema+ Message-ID: <421A9BD0.F7AEA644@comcast.net>h  
 KGB wrote: >  > No.p  F KGB! So glad to see you're still around! Hope all is well with you and yours...   -- s David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:o" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/4   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:56:42 -0500s* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: Data replication / disaster tolerance1 Message-ID: <J9qSd.31$bQ6.2022@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    Hi  = I've received many answers/comments and I thank you for this.n  
 One question:r7 Some (or all) proposed to have Volume Shadowing + RAID.nI It seems like there no way around Volume Shadowing, but is RAID mandatorym here?eI Of course it is if I want to be fully protected, but if a disk on one SANrD dies, the DSAn device is still usable so I just have problems if theB remaining SAN (or the other member of the shadowset) dies before a* replacement disk is installed and rebuilt.   Is this so?a   --   Syltremo   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---i? "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> a crit dans le message de . news:9snQd.2993$df.109811@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... > Hi >iG > We would like to establish to OpenVMS sites, each with their own SAN.l1 > We want the data to be replicated in real time.U >i< > The 2 sites will be at each end of a big processing plant. >nA > Can someone give me pointers on how to setup the configuration?uF > Ideally we would like the 2 VMS nodes in a VMScluster (not just as aE > failover option). Users could connect to either node, but if room AtG > explodes, the computer in room B should continue to operate and servei users.H > Of course users connected to the room A node, would have to reconnect. >u
 > Diagram: >t' > AlphaVMS "A"             AlphaVMS "B"c0 >      |                                       |0 >      |                                       |  > SAN "A"----------------SAN "B" >gF > If room A explodes, the link between the 2 SAN's is lost, but Room B  > continues to operate normally. >F >sI > How would the replication work? Will the 2 SAN do it between themselves K > (with VMS not really aware of the process)? That is my guess, as shown in  > the diagram.I > With fiber optics, how far apart can the 2 sites be? (it will be within  10001 > feet I believe but I don't have the shop plan).a. > Do I need another VMS box to get the quorum? >dL > Any pointers to documentation, or your comments about known installations, > are welcome. >  >  >e > Thanks >m > -- u	 > Syltrem  >h  > OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4J > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)' > ---zulu is not in my email address---  >s >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:06:20 -0500c' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>a2 Subject: RE: Data replication / disaster toleranceR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F670@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Syltrem [mailto:syltremzulu@videotron.ca]=20! > Sent: February 21, 2005 1:57 PMc > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml4 > Subject: Re: Data replication / disaster tolerance >=20 > Hi >=20? > I've received many answers/comments and I thank you for this.r >=20 > One question:c9 > Some (or all) proposed to have Volume Shadowing + RAID.f? > It seems like there no way around Volume Shadowing, but is=20b > RAID mandatory > here?o> > Of course it is if I want to be fully protected, but if a=20 > disk on one SANtF > dies, the DSAn device is still usable so I just have problems if theD > remaining SAN (or the other member of the shadowset) dies before a, > replacement disk is installed and rebuilt. >=20
 > Is this so?a >=20 > --=20i	 > Syltremn >=20  	 [snip ..]w  	 Syltrem -l  H There are advantages to HBVS and HW RAID. In multi-site clusters you canE usually take advantage of both to optimize the overall configuration.l  E Wrt to HW RAID, take the example of both members of the HBVS (one perdE site) being HW RAID partitions. If one drive fails locally, then wheneA the drive is replaced, all the rebuilding IO is done at the localaG controller level with minimal impact on local system controllers, bus'se and intersite links.  E In addition, using HW RAID partitions for each HBVS member means thatdE you can lose up to 2 drives in the set and still have the application D continue. Of course, if both drive failures are on the local HW RAIDH partition, then performance may suffer. However, you mentioned the sitesG only being 1,000 ft apart, so a dual drive failure may not be as big ana, impact as if the sites were 20+ miles apart.  E If each drive in the HBVS is an independent disk, then should a driverH failure occur, the HBVS set will maintain the availability, but when theH drive is replaced, all of the drive rebuilding IO will have to go acrossF the IO controllers and intersite links for both servers at both sites.     RegardsH  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660h Fax: 613-591-4477i kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:26:25 -0500r' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>i2 Subject: Re: Data replication / disaster tolerance0 Message-ID: <111kr04d1k55f85@corp.supernews.com>   Syltrem wrote: > Hi > ? > I've received many answers/comments and I thank you for this.o >  > One question: 9 > Some (or all) proposed to have Volume Shadowing + RAID.nK > It seems like there no way around Volume Shadowing, but is RAID mandatory  > here?,K > Of course it is if I want to be fully protected, but if a disk on one SANrF > dies, the DSAn device is still usable so I just have problems if theD > remaining SAN (or the other member of the shadowset) dies before a, > replacement disk is installed and rebuilt. > 
 > Is this so?v >   F Basically that's right.  I'm not too knowledgable about access timing C for the remote site, but with fiber and the close locations you've i% mentioned it probably isn't an issue.h  G While RAID would offer additional protection, you asked about skipping  ) it, and I think you understand the risks.e  I If you go this route, having several spares on hand would be prudent.  I tH don't know your requirements with respect to backups and down time, but D I'd think being able to immediately plug in a replacement and begin : bringing it back into the shadowset would be a good thing.  G While it happens, losing disk drives is in my experience a rare event. ,D Add to that good backups, and shadowing, and I'd think your biggest F risks are outside the computer hardware.  Beware the backhoe operator!   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:35:09 +0100o2 From: Wilm Boerhout <wOLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl>" Subject: Re: looking for a new job6 Message-ID: <421a45fd$0$25136$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   Heinz wrote: > Hi everybody > L > After the company I use to work for closed the doors I was left without a  > job.N > At this time it is very hard to find a job as vax/vms system manager in the  > netherlands.O > so if there is somebody out there in the world who can use a vax/vms - NT -  tE > system manager please let me know and I be happy to send you my cv.e > 	 > Thankz.a  2 Send your resume to www.vxcompany.com (werken bij)  H We employ VMS /Windows /Oracle consultants /developers /system managers.  , Guess where the VX in our name stands for...   Tell'em I sent you...d   -- y
 Wilm Boerhout 
 VX Company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:31:08 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>h: Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions* Message-ID: <MPwSd.6593$EL5.2942@trnddc05>  G >  We have ways to get at the boot alias information out in the consolesE >  from the running operating system environment, FWIW.  OpenVMS V8.2sC >  uses these to slam the boot options, to avoid the skewing of thes@ >  GUIDs.  (Sounds rather weird, "skewing of the GUIDs", eh? :-)  F >  Looks like it's time for an update session; we've been busy in thisE >  area.  :-)  There are two or three of us working within this area.   K Since I originally wrote this I've discovered the sys$system:efi* utilitiestH and the boot_options.com that allow me to set this stuff from DCL.  That helps me a lot...although...  K EFI$CP seems broken to me.  It worked in the field test, but any time I try*8 it now I get an 'offline' message...what's up with that?  ? Someone else suggested simply doing $BACKUP/PHYSICAL or writingsJ a small program using logical QIOs...I haven't gotten around to doing that yet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:02:36 -0500.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>j; Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows Logo on OpenVMS 8.2 Display?y, Message-ID: <kvydnRUrA8Ylr4ffRVn-gA@igs.net>   Jeff Cameron wrote:d > Did I read correctly?b >.A > Is the Microsoft Windows Logo actually on the Login Display foro > OpenVMS 8.2? >e" > If so, Wh .. Wha .. Whe ... WHY?    0 Just getting it ready for the next owner of VMS.   --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:17 -0500r' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>y; Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows Logo on OpenVMS 8.2 Display?a0 Message-ID: <111krkh61f64e81@corp.supernews.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:d > Did I read correctly?  > N > Is the Microsoft Windows Logo actually on the Login Display for OpenVMS 8.2? > " > If so, Wh .. Wha .. Whe ... WHY? > L > The world is coming to an end ... Wrath of God ... Old Testament stuff ...4 > Dogs and Cats Sleeping together ... Mass Hysteria! >  u >   E JF is going to stop posting such.  First he got Ken Farmer.  Now you.r  G I'm going to have to start selling bridges.  What offers can I get for   the Golden Gate bridge?t   Dave :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:48:16 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>* Subject: Re: Mounting disks during STARTUP+ Message-ID: <cvddu1$f42$1@news01.intel.com>@  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: ; > In article <cv5mht$uep$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfieldf# > <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: d [snip]2 >>	3) The /NoCopy prevents starting a shadow copy,5 >>	   therefore protecting your data in the case that.? >>            an out-of-date member was first in the list, say,a= >>            because it had previously been dismounted for ay? >>            backup, and another member is actually the "good"s= >>            member.  The "bad" member gets mounted, but you @ >>            don't destroy the data on the "good", not mounted, >>            member.e >  > G > Why would you want to mount (and presumably write to) the bad member?eK > This means that the good member becomes stale.  How do you reconcile the mI > new data on the bad member and the data on the non-mounted good member?d  D      That's a fair question.  It would be entirely reasonable to sayC you would not mount the disk if the "good" member wasn't available.vA However, if your system is set to reboot after a crash, the mounta> can happen before a human has time to intervene and select the correct member to boot off...a   > 3 >>	4) By not listing all (potential) members in theu6 >>	   /Shadow=(...) list, you are always (well, nearly> >>            always :-) able to mount the shadow set.  If all; >>            members are listed, conditions like (1) wouldn> >>            prevent the mount from succeeding, and (3) would" >>            result in lost data. >  > K > Without /INCLUDE but listing all members, the shadow set will mount with c > all available disks.  E      I don't believe that is true.  I believe that all listed memberseD MUST be available, or the shadow set won't mount.  (I could be wrongE on this as I haven't tried it recently, but that is my recollection.)MA In some circumstances, that's OK, or even desirable (not mountinglE the shadow set).  In others, it can extend the downtime and even makea< it difficult to get into the system to diagnose the problem.  3 > I still don't see what advantage /INCLUDE brings.i  C      /INCLUDE allows mounting a shadow set when at least one memberm@ is available, but not all are.  Granted, this was more important< with older technology that was less reliable, but even in my< present situation, I can imagine the following scenario: our> shadow sets are configured with one member on one HSG-pair and@ the other member in a separate cabinet on a second HSG-pair.  If? we had a problem with the power to one cabinet, or one HSG pairt? became unavailable, say due to a pathological failure of a disktE that caused first one, and then the other, HSG to reboot continually, @ I'd still be able to boot the system/cluster and get the mission< critical apps running in a minimum amount of time, albeit at? higher risk since a number of shadow sets would be running on acB single member.  If both members were listed in the MOUNT commands,B I will need to edit my disk mounting procedures, and very probablyA reboot (to get all the sequencing right for application startup),aA before I can get the system operational again, thus extending the ) outage (and the cost in lost production).   ?      As a disclaimer, my present site does NOT use this method,S? mostly due to the inertia of past practice, but it is somethingp? I want to put in place when other more pressing tasks have been  dealt with.a  	      -Kenp --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldm! D1C Automation VMS System Support@" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:28:33 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: Need performance help+ Message-ID: <421A98D1.9886C8B6@comcast.net>    Karl Rohwedder wrote:  > [snip] > >4M > I wrote a little piece of DCL, which uses the CSVPNG image to create a niceo$ > HTML report of yesterdays T4 data.A > This is then presented to the our users via a simple HTML page.s >  > Code snippet:  > N > $ Spawn/Wait/Input=NL:/Output='Dev''Direc'T4_CSVPNG_'Node'_'Yesterday'.LOG -L >          Csvpng 'Tmp' -w=800 -h=400 -l -b=1 -a=30 -t=06:00,20:00 -i      -L >              -p=[mon.mode],split,[mon.syst],XFC,[mon.disk],[mon.page]    -$ >              -u='Yesterday'_'Node' > O > The CSVPNG ist not part of T4, I received it after mailing Steve Lieman afterrG > attending the Technical Updates in Germany. I'vw attached the Readme.o  F Any chance you post a link to the CSVPNG program, or send it in e-mail0 (how to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious)?  * BTW - Mail to your "from" address bounced.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsS http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:c" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 12:27:15 -0800" From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com Subject: NTP ProblemC Message-ID: <1109017635.596824.114580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>o  A     I have just added a GS1280 with 1.3 GHz CPU's, to my cluster. F OS is OVMS Vers 7.3-1, TCPIP is Version 5.3 ECO 2, and DECNet is Phase IV.iF     I have an older GS1280 which has 1.15 GHz CPU's.    NTP works fineE on all the other cluster nodes.   It only fails on the new EV7 cpu's.      The error is  1 %SYSTEM-F-BADLOGIC, internal logic error detectedo: VMS timekeeping is not working as expected - can't proceed  B     I understand that this is a known problem, and that there is a patch available for it.,  F     Can anyone tell me where I can get the patch, or information about
 the patch?   Dave.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:27:16 +0100hA From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder.nospam@volkswagen.de>e Subject: Re: NTP Problem) Message-ID: <cvejbm$4uk2@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:rC >     I have just added a GS1280 with 1.3 GHz CPU's, to my cluster.oH > OS is OVMS Vers 7.3-1, TCPIP is Version 5.3 ECO 2, and DECNet is Phase > IV.sH >     I have an older GS1280 which has 1.15 GHz CPU's.    NTP works fineG > on all the other cluster nodes.   It only fails on the new EV7 cpu's.u >     The error is > 3 > %SYSTEM-F-BADLOGIC, internal logic error detectedd< > VMS timekeeping is not working as expected - can't proceed > D >     I understand that this is a known problem, and that there is a > patch available for it.t > H >     Can anyone tell me where I can get the patch, or information about > the patch? >  > Dave.  > 2 According to the releasenotes it is fixed in V5.4.  	 mfg Kallet   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:24:09 GMTnA From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>o$ Subject: Re: OpenVms decNet Routing!> Message-ID: <tzqSd.20119$8B3.12432@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  K It's most likely to be the restart of DECnet Phase IV trying to (re)set thesG MAC address to the AA-00-04-00-xx-yy value (based on area.number) as itnL starts - and complaining that it can't do so because other protocols (TCPIP,L LAT, SCS etc.) are also active. You could try stopping every other protocol,. but I'm afraid that it usually means a reboot.   -- '   Hope this helps, Colin.!) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uktE It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:10:35 +0100l, From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>? Subject: Re: OT: PC is crap (was Curly soon to be out of a job)i- Message-ID: <cvdt9u$1vpe$1@news.cybercity.dk>h   FredK wrote: > JF,l > C > The quote isn't "out of context".  It is certainly "fair game" tot > question theF > effectiveness of any public figure - CEO or politician.  It was pureF > and simply an insult - and a highly sexist one.  Such comments - andE > your inability to understand why it was highly inappropriate in any A > forum - except perhaps in a drunken stupor at the bar with yourr# > "friends" - says a lot about you.n >aD > This isn't a bar, or a locker room.  I'm not the most "PC" kind ofD > guy, and I may or may not agree with the actions of any CEO that I > haveH > worked under - but the comment, and your defense of it...  Well, it is, > no wonder that nobody takes you seriously. >l >y  K F*** Fred, chill. Enhance your calm, or whatever works for you - try valium  or maybe mescaline.l   $ SET INCOHERENCE=ON  E Your response says everything we need to know about how you have beeno/ programmed.  It is a question of vantage point.   D PC has passed its zenith, thankfully, and its positive contributionsL difficult to spot.  PC is about people being afraid to offend themselves andG their own self annointed status as being an advanced, refined, correct, I intelligent, etc. etc induhvidual - a form of zircle logic that can neveri! result in a satisfactory outcome.n  E However, short people are still short, brain-damaged people are still!J brain-damaged, some guys just have big masculine appendages and some womenH are better than others in the sack.  Modifying the language use does not alter these facts.  C The comment that started this bizarre detour was probably at worst,TI irrelevant to the point in question and could have best been left unsaid.i  K On the other hand, I would bet my all my available cash ($3.27) that Carley K thinks she is a good lay, and so does Curley.  GQ Bob probably did as well. K Larry E would definitely be there as well I should think.  It comes as parthG of the package of being a big swinging d***, even when not carrying thet
 appendage.   $ SET INCOHERENCE=OFFt   ciao	 Dr. Dweeb   < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message> > news:1107650357.e6fe05a5826f23df7e8d7a4861f4a492@teranews... >> Neil Rieck wrote:F >>> More than several people, from time to time, have behaved badly inG >>> this news group. Aside from being generally uncivilized,  I find ittD >>> odd that people would do while knowing every key stroke is being5 >>> recorded for posterity at Google via www.deja.coms >>G >> People will learn that many many many comments can be and are quotedt >> out of context. >>G >> Personally, I saw that "offending" post in  context and saw it as ani% >> insult/joke to Carly's competence.w >>@ >> One needs to remember that this is a worldwide forum. In someE >> cultures, some comments can be considered taboo and inappropriate,aG >> while in other cultures, they are common jokes and comments that areh >> never seen as "offensive".o >>F >> In the USA, it si now inappropriate to call someone "black" and oneC >> must call him/her "african american", even if the person is frombF >> south pacific roots. Elsewhere in the world, one would never call a? >> black person "african american". And calling someone "black"oD >> wouldn't have the taboo/racist connotations that the USA gave the@ >> word (or whatever the USA gave "black" to make it politically >> unacceptable).g >>F >> It seems that the rest of the world has underestimated the culturalG >> shifts occuring in the USA if even such an innocuous comment/joke isa >> now seen as offensive.l >>F >> High profile people are fair game for jokes. They are fair game forG >> caricatures. And Carly is about as high profile as one can get for a F >> CEO in the world. Bill gates is the butt of many jokes too, even in >> the USA.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:13:38 -0800w3 From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii_googlespam@yahoo.com>e* Subject: Post Office as an HP VMS customer0 Message-ID: <111l1qaod84ks0b@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:9 > ...If they just flaunt the POst Office as a HP customerk7 > without mentioning VMS, then it is useless marketing.   = I have come across USPS and VMS references before. I searcheds: for USPS references to OpenVMS. This lead me to the Postal; Computing Environment Handbook with the demotion of OpenVMSb= described. I sent the following e-mail to openvms-info@hp.comn (VMS Marketing) 9-Feb-2005:l  = > From the USPS Handbook AS-820, Postal Computing Environmentl5 > http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/hand/as820/welcome.htm,:   http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/hand/as820/AS820-4_toc.htmlD   http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/hand/as820/AS820-4.html#_Toc383448315 >o >> Database Serverss >> ----------------------e >>: >> ORACLE/ Class 1/ Z/OS/ Large-scale-class computers only! >> Recommended for national data.  >>C >> ORACLE/ Class 2/ VMS or OpenVMS/ Digital Alpha, MicroVAX, or VAXs >>@ >> Rdb/ Class 2/ VMS or OpenVMS/ Digital Alpha, MicroVAX, or VAX >> >> Application Processorsp >> ----------------------------e >>; >> VMS or OpenVMS/ Class 2/ Digital Alpha, MicroVAX, or VAX  >>
 >> ----------sL >> Class 2 - Products and combinations of products that are widely deployed,K >> but no longer part of the core infrastructure. These products may not be.K    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^o@ >> used for new development and will not be used for substantiveA    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lF >> enhancements to existing applications unless unusual circumstances  >> warrant. Products or K >> combinations of products currently in use but not listed in these tablesw" >> are also classified as class 2. >sA > There appears to be a big gap in large servers with an HP logo.l3 > How is this former glory for VMS being addressed?    -- b C.W.Holeman II) cwh5ii@Julian5Locals.com remove the fives.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 20:10:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m. Subject: Re: Post Office as an HP VMS customer3 Message-ID: <nQG0C2S70X9W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <111l1qaod84ks0b@corp.supernews.com>, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii_googlespam@yahoo.com> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:: >> ...If they just flaunt the POst Office as a HP customer8 >> without mentioning VMS, then it is useless marketing.  ( And where did Larry Kilgallen say that ?   I get no hits on:o  A 	http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22If+they+just+flaunt%22y   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:19:43 -0500m# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n. Subject: Re: Post Office as an HP VMS customer, Message-ID: <Dt-dnZDow4HqBYffRVn-vA@igs.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:C > In article <111l1qaod84ks0b@corp.supernews.com>, "C.W.Holeman II"o& > <cwhii_googlespam@yahoo.com> writes: >> Larry Kilgallen wrote:r; >>> ...If they just flaunt the POst Office as a HP customerg9 >>> without mentioning VMS, then it is useless marketing.o >@* > And where did Larry Kilgallen say that ? >. > I get no hits on:h >@B > http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22If+they+just+flaunt%22    G It appears that it was a mis-attribution due to sloppy cut/paste by the H poster. It was actually part of a reply JF posted to your posting in theE thread entitled "Trade Press needs to talk with HP Disaster Tolerencey Customers".e     --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:27:00 -0500p# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a. Subject: Re: Post Office as an HP VMS customer, Message-ID: <Dt-dnZPow4HlBYffRVn-vA@igs.net>   C.W.Holeman II wrote:e > Larry Kilgallen wrote:: >> ...If they just flaunt the POst Office as a HP customer8 >> without mentioning VMS, then it is useless marketing. > ? > I have come across USPS and VMS references before. I searchedo< > for USPS references to OpenVMS. This lead me to the Postal= > Computing Environment Handbook with the demotion of OpenVMSr? > described. I sent the following e-mail to openvms-info@hp.comc > (VMS Marketing) 9-Feb-2005:o ><> >> From the USPS Handbook AS-820, Postal Computing Environment6 >> http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/hand/as820/welcome.htm< >   http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/hand/as820/AS820-4_toc.htmlF >   http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/hand/as820/AS820-4.html#_Toc383448315 >> >>> Database Servers >>> ---------------------- >>>n; >>> ORACLE/ Class 1/ Z/OS/ Large-scale-class computers onlyW" >>> Recommended for national data. >>>oD >>> ORACLE/ Class 2/ VMS or OpenVMS/ Digital Alpha, MicroVAX, or VAX >>>lA >>> Rdb/ Class 2/ VMS or OpenVMS/ Digital Alpha, MicroVAX, or VAXn >>>. >>> Application Processors  >>> ---------------------------- >>>.< >>> VMS or OpenVMS/ Class 2/ Digital Alpha, MicroVAX, or VAX >>>  >>> ----------C >>> Class 2 - Products and combinations of products that are widelyBB >>> deployed, but no longer part of the core infrastructure. These >>> products may not beT >RJ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^A >>> used for new development and will not be used for substantive B >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^F >>> enhancements to existing applications unless unusual circumstances >>> warrant. Products orE >>> combinations of products currently in use but not listed in thesev* >>> tables are also classified as class 2. >>B >> There appears to be a big gap in large servers with an HP logo.4 >> How is this former glory for VMS being addressed?    J HP treated everyone who was anyone to filet mignon dinner at Linuxworld inH Boston last week because they wanted everyone who is anyone to switch toJ Linux on any old HP box, including Presario's. Did you hear the good news?L Linux at HP made $3 million profit last year on sales of how many billion in hardware attributed to it?  J Way to go HP. Good use of shareholders money yet again. It all makes aboutL as much sense as flying carly(tm) hither and yonder in the Gulfstream G-V at $12-15,000 per hour all-in.-  J Notice how I didn't mention VMS marketing and advertising to help convinceI customers like the USPS that VMS remains a viable operating system....howh can I? There isn't any.      --C OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style, they just get dumped.y   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 14:36:17 -0800% From: "Tony" <tonymcg27@yahoo.com.au>c1 Subject: Re: Strange behaviour of ACCOUNTING tool-C Message-ID: <1109025377.789691.121440@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>S   Ferry Bolhar wrote:h > Hi folks,a >c? > I have observed a strange behaviour with the ACCOUNTING tool:6 >@
 > Entering >g$ > $ ACCOUNTING/TYPE=PRINT/SORT=QUEUE > results in this message:( > %SORT-W-SYSERROR, system service error >-6 > And that's all. Occurs with any kind of /SORT value.- > Can anyone explain this? What's wrong here?B: > BTW, this is an AlphaServer DS25 running OpenVMS V7.3-2. >1 > Greetings from Vienna, > Ferrys   Hi all, A We have a pair of DS25's in a 2 node cluster, both on 7.3-2 (with : UPDATE-V0200), and that ACCOUNTNG command works just fine. Cheers from Oz,    Tony ---g Tony McGrath9 OpenVMS System Administrator, Corporate IT, Toll Holdingsn" Doveton, Victoria, Australia, 3177# tony_mcgrath at toll dot com dot aub   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:03:49 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG@ Subject: Re: substituting decdtlogo.pm no longer works with V8.20 Message-ID: <00A3FBAF.031EEFB9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A3FB94.836E5AC4@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:o^ >In article <1109001702.791772.83870@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes:G >>>> And seeing the Windows logo every day will soften VMS customers toaE >>>> the idea of migrating to Windows, and this will finally allow HPk> >>>> to EOL VMS and offer attractive migration to Windows withF >>>> Microsoft getting all the money and HP getting none, a move whichC >>>> Wall Street Casino analysts will applaud and the HP board willt >>>> get big bonuses. :-)c >>H >>Not to mention the increase in sales of monitors due to fist and otherI >>blunt object impacts at the sight of the logo d'mediocrity on their VMS  >>system's screen... >> >>Brian,I >>     does the problem exist on V8.2 Alpha?  I haven't received our kitss >>for either platform yet... >nH >I received only IA64 distribution, no Alpha, for V8.2 so I can tell you' >anything about the behaviour on Alpha.h    I I put a .PM file on my ftp server ftp://ftp.tmesis.com  The file's calledhH QUISP.PM.  If anyone here has V8.2 running on an Alpha and would help toH test out this logo issue, download QUISP.PM as an ascii file and copy itI to CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM.  Then see if it canpH be seen in the login dialog box.  It does show up in the dialog box usedI to unlock a screen on OpenVMS V8.2 IA64; it just won't show in the normalo login dialog box.y   -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             I5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:38:13 -0600a2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customers + Message-ID: <421A9B14.A93F5AFA@comcast.net>-   Tom Linden wrote:- > 2 > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:35:10 GMT, Kenneth Farmer( > <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> wrote: > A > > This isn't so much targeted at you Tom but everyone in cov...s > >DK > > Keith is right on target.  This is the result of several people outsidei > > ofE > > HP.  However several people inside HP are involved and are always0 > > willing toJ > > assist.  When it comes from the community (customer base) it obviously > > carries more weight. > >eG > > Everyone wanted to see VMS mentioned more in the press.  Well, someh
 > > inside0 > > and outside have made sure that's happening. > >2K > > It's actually very simple. Email trade press writers and tell them theyTM > > should/need to write and article about VMS.  Tell them you can muster the-% > > community to provide quotes, etc.2 > >2G > > The bad part is these writers are always on a tight schedule.  They: > > usuallyaM > > contact you days before the article needs to be written, hence the urgenta: > > messages we've had to push out every couple of months. > >sM > > I'll tell you one way things could be made easier.  I can start a list of J > > people that are willing to talk to the press and their company is will	 > > allow E > > it.  The volunteers can name certain areas of "specialty" such ase > > disasterH > > tolerance, clustering, rdb, etc.  I can then post this list with theJ > > specialties (no names).  The list will target writers and tell them we > > can-J > > assemble the customers quickly so that they can be interviewed.  Sound	 > > good?  > >r> > > Take a look at this page and let me know what you think... > >n/ > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Press. > 5 > Looks good.  I will send the link to our customers.n > L > What flabbergasts me, is that (Now I'm beginning to sound like John Smith)M > is that because HP isn't willing/able to market the product in spite of thedH > fact that VMS contributed $867Million gross profit to fiscal 2004, theD > loyalist/guerillas are trying to do it for them, without a budget! > / > Can't recall a similar situation in the past.o  H Oh, COME now! You *MUST* have witnessed SOME situation SOMEwhere in yourG career where everything stagnated until people of leadership came along/ and took the reins...r  G Guess that's what hp/VMS need: leadership: someone with the backbone toe? "swim upstream" and "see what 'the crowd' does, and then do thea
 opposite".  D Sorry to sound a like an overzealous motivational speaker, but I sawC this poster in a head-hunter's office many moons ago: "Consider the A tortoise - who makes no progress - until he sticks his neck out."e  E (O.k., everyone together now: "But DJ, that's when people raise their ) axes!" Do I know this group, or what??!!)    -- d David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:o" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/g   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:18:03 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence Customerst( Message-ID: <opsmkwsdkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  6 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:38:13 -0600, David J Dachtera  " <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:e >>3 >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:35:10 GMT, Kenneth Farmeri) >> <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> wrote:c >>B >> > This isn't so much targeted at you Tom but everyone in cov... >> >F >> > Keith is right on target.  This is the result of several people  
 >> outside >> > ofuF >> > HP.  However several people inside HP are involved and are always >> > willing tonK >> > assist.  When it comes from the community (customer base) it obviouslyg >> > carries more weight.n >> >H >> > Everyone wanted to see VMS mentioned more in the press.  Well, some >> > inside-1 >> > and outside have made sure that's happening.1 >> >I >> > It's actually very simple. Email trade press writers and tell them  c >> theyiL >> > should/need to write and article about VMS.  Tell them you can muster   >> the& >> > community to provide quotes, etc. >> >H >> > The bad part is these writers are always on a tight schedule.  They >> > usuallyI >> > contact you days before the article needs to be written, hence the  r	 >> urgent ; >> > messages we've had to push out every couple of months.  >> >H >> > I'll tell you one way things could be made easier.  I can start a  
 >> list ofK >> > people that are willing to talk to the press and their company is willb
 >> > allowF >> > it.  The volunteers can name certain areas of "specialty" such as
 >> > disasterkI >> > tolerance, clustering, rdb, etc.  I can then post this list with themK >> > specialties (no names).  The list will target writers and tell them wea >> > canK >> > assemble the customers quickly so that they can be interviewed.  Sound 
 >> > good? >> >? >> > Take a look at this page and let me know what you think...A >> >0 >> > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Press >>6 >> Looks good.  I will send the link to our customers. >>H >> What flabbergasts me, is that (Now I'm beginning to sound like John  	 >> Smith)tL >> is that because HP isn't willing/able to market the product in spite of   >> theI >> fact that VMS contributed $867Million gross profit to fiscal 2004, the E >> loyalist/guerillas are trying to do it for them, without a budget!H >>0 >> Can't recall a similar situation in the past. >aJ > Oh, COME now! You *MUST* have witnessed SOME situation SOMEwhere in yourI > career where everything stagnated until people of leadership came along  > and took the reins..  G But not from customers or people outside the company.  That is a first,e6 but then I have only been in the business for 39 years   >0I > Guess that's what hp/VMS need: leadership: someone with the backbone tooA > "swim upstream" and "see what 'the crowd' does, and then do thei > opposite". >eF > Sorry to sound a like an overzealous motivational speaker, but I sawE > this poster in a head-hunter's office many moons ago: "Consider theeC > tortoise - who makes no progress - until he sticks his neck out."a >oG > (O.k., everyone together now: "But DJ, that's when people raise theirh+ > axes!" Do I know this group, or what??!!)  >e       -- oC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/e   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2005 20:44:50 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>K Subject: Re: Trade Press Needs to Talk with HP Disaster Tolerence CustomerstC Message-ID: <1109047490.177803.305220@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>n   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote:r > > 4 > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:35:10 GMT, Kenneth Farmer* > > <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> wrote: > >s [...]a >tF > Sorry to sound a like an overzealous motivational speaker, but I sawE > this poster in a head-hunter's office many moons ago: "Consider the C > tortoise - who makes no progress - until he sticks his neck out."d >eG > (O.k., everyone together now: "But DJ, that's when people raise theirt+ > axes!" Do I know this group, or what??!!)n    . 'Not quite the same but it reminds me of this:  " The squeaky wheel gets the grease.  A (And my addition:) But sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced!      Wait! There's more!:  . Calvin's mother: The early bird gets the worm.  ( Calvin: Yechh! Who wants a squishy worm?  3 Someone else: But the second mouse gets the cheese.p     more:t  A Prof. Richard Feynman, Nobel prize winner for his work on quantum D electrodynamics (part of quantum mechanics): "... nobody understands quantum mechanics." !!!t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.105 ************************