/ INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 8       Contents:. Re: ACCVIO caused by pascal optimize attribute= Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images , Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert0 Re: Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert0 Re: Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert How to change the run time?  Re: How to change the run time?  Re: How to change the run time?  Re: How to change the run time? 9 Re: How to get Tape Tools to recognize terminfo database? 2 How to Turn $5 into $15,000 in 30 Days with PayPal) Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development < Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh) Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed @ Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume/ Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$ / Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$ / Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$ / Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$  Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Need UNIX clarification : Re: RMS and Fast Delete: How to update alternate indexes ?3 Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? 3 Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? 3 Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? 3 Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?  Re: xerces-c problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:34:05 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>7 Subject: Re: ACCVIO caused by pascal optimize attribute 2 Message-ID: <NHyCd.5040$q86.2471@news.cpqcorp.net>   Frank wrote: > Hello, > H > In a program I use LOC$DELETE_FILE the purge logfiles. For some reasonG > I get an ACCVIO message when running this program. By trial-and-error H > I discovered that the program will run fine when I change the optimize; > attribute of function check_vms_halt from none to inline.  > A > Someone has a clue? (included traceback and simplified source).    I'll look at it later today.  3 What version of Pascal and OpenVMS are you running?      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:57:35 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> F Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images9 Message-ID: <SwvCd.6385$7n1.463485@news20.bellglobal.com>   + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:crapd6$9t1$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl...   [...snip...]  J > Any attempt to *convert* the .JPG files would result in corrupted files.K > So even if .JPG files should be in Stream-LF format, this procedure could  > not be used. >   L You are 100% correct and maybe one of my previous posts wasn't clear on thisI point. Only TEXT files need to be converted to stream_lf format. BTW, not L only would this include files with extensions of .HTM and .HTML but also anyI stand-alone java script files (which sometimes have a .JS extension) that > might be used for such things as creating drop-down menus etc.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:00:45 -0500 From: "bob" <me@privacy.net>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser 8 Message-ID: <8QACd.8182$Me4.1498@bignews4.bellsouth.net>  3 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message  2 news:da495b4e8a5dca594295527a185777ee@dizum.com...F > Hey Mezei, you've got a circumcision fetish.  This ought to be right > up your alley: > ) > Young initiates kill circumcision nurse  > H > JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (Reuters) -- A group of young South AfricanF > men taking part in coming of age rituals due to include circumcisionH > turned on their male nurse and killed him, an official said on Monday. > H > Sizwe Kupelo of the Eastern Cape provincial health department said theD > men aged 18 to 25 beat the man to death with sticks at the site of: > their initiation ceremonies in Port Elizabeth on Friday. > H > "He was attacked by about 20 initiates who assaulted him, and he later > died," Kupelo said.  > F > He said the attack followed complaints by the men that they were notE > being properly looked after during their initiation ceremonies, but  > did not elaborate. > C > The nurse had been in charge of caring for the men ahead of their  > circumcision.  > - > No arrests have been made yet, Kupelo said.  > H > A number of South African clans including the Ndebele, Sotho and XhosaH > send teenage boys and young men into the bush for up to eight weeks toH > learn their clan's cultural and moral values and undergo coming of age% > ceremonies, including circumcision.  > G > In recent years, the practice of circumcision has come under scrutiny A > as dozens of boys have been accidentally killed or mutilated by B > amateur elders who have seized on the tradition as a way to make > money. > G > Kupelo said in the Eastern Cape at least 10 young men had died during 9 > the current initiation period, which began in December.  > B > Chairman of the Eastern Cape House of Traditional Leaders, ChiefD > Ngangomhlaba Matanzima, condemned the attack, which he said showed3 > there were "serious problems" around initiations.   L Circumcision is a horrible crime and it should be punished by arresting and 2 putting in jail those criminals who perpetrate it.  J It is a mutilation of the body and the soul of the boy who is usually too & young to give consent. A baby usually.  M There is a double standard, female circumcision is seen as mutilation and is  D outlawed but the crime against boys continues.  This is because the * feminists as very loud and well organized.  G We need equal protection under the law for boys too!  This is a sexist   crime.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:25:28 -0500. From: "Shining One" <mostlysunny65@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser C Message-ID: <14c4e$41dadfae$d1cc5a7b$678@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>   2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:da495b4e8a5dca594295527a185777ee@dizum.com...  H > JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (Reuters) -- A group of young South AfricanF > men taking part in coming of age rituals due to include circumcisionH > turned on their male nurse and killed him, an official said on Monday.H > Sizwe Kupelo of the Eastern Cape provincial health department said theD > men aged 18 to 25 beat the man to death with sticks at the site of: > their initiation ceremonies in Port Elizabeth on Friday.  ) Good for them !!!   (clap-clap-clap-clap)   7 Any self-standing male anyplace on Earth, worthy of his 5 intended future use of the ever-diminishing planetary 2 O2 reserves of the Biosphere, should react like an4 angered male baboon in heat and should do everything7 up to cutting the head off at the shoulders of any kook 1 bastard attempting to cut even one millametere of % foreskin from off the male appendage.   4 (..this also proves Cat-o-Lick Heirarchy are wussies8 and abusers because they do it to male infants who can't0 fight back - how ANY Father of ANY boy can stand5 idley by and watch, while some old bastard in a black @ robe cuts the foreskin off of his kid's pecker boggles my mind!)  H > "He was attacked by about 20 initiates who assaulted him, and he later > died," Kupelo said.  > F > He said the attack followed complaints by the men that they were notE > being properly looked after during their initiation ceremonies, but  > did not elaborate.  K "...not being properly looked after during their initiation ceremonies" ???   E You mean they have priest kid abusers with bonz-thru-their-noses over E there in Bongo-Bongo Land in Africkka too....? This story truly bears  further  investigation! : )  C > The nurse had been in charge of caring for the men ahead of their  > circumcision.   = Lemme guess.....he wanted to use mouth-to-ween to staunch the : bleeding instead of using his loincloth like all the other witch doctors usually do..?   G > In recent years, the practice of circumcision has come under scrutiny A > as dozens of boys have been accidentally killed or mutilated by B > amateur elders who have seized on the tradition as a way to make > money.   It figures....!   I The dammed bobbin-at-the-Wall type joos STARTED this whole goofy practice A of whackin-off-the-hood-from-the-male-torpedo in the first place! C Is this the root-cause why jewish boys long to pork shiskas instead  of "nice jewish girls" ?  A Looks like Kuntakintae of the Zoolues wanted to cash into this..?   ? Also, how much is the Temple cover-charge for a good chop these  days anyway...?   G > Kupelo said in the Eastern Cape at least 10 young men had died during 9 > the current initiation period, which began in December.  > B > Chairman of the Eastern Cape House of Traditional Leaders, ChiefD > Ngangomhlaba Matanzima, condemned the attack, which he said showed3 > there were "serious problems" around initiations.   I Reading that news quote above reminded of that classic SNL bit where they  demonstrate the G smooth ride of the full size Lincoln Continental by doin a circumsision D in the back seat while drivin down alleys in Brooklyn or Queens....)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:30:52 -0500A From: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mortschnerd@carolina.rr.com.nospam> 5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser * Message-ID: <ZnBCd.3075$QW6.2533@fe03.lga>  
 bob wrote:N > There is a double standard, female circumcision is seen as mutilation and isE > outlawed but the crime against boys continues.  This is because the , > feminists as very loud and well organized.    N Bullshit.  This is because male and female cirumcision aren't the same thing. L Female circumcision removes the clitoris as well as the hood.  For the male K operation to be equivalent, they'd have to remove the glans as well as the  	 foreskin.     H > We need equal protection under the law for boys too!  This is a sexist > crime.    $ What you need is Prozac.  Every day.         --   Mortimer Schnerd, RN    mortschnerd@carolina.rr.com.barf   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:35:16 +10004 From: "Daniel England" <mewpokemon@iinetDOTnetDOTau>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser J Message-ID: <41dae1e4$0$31804$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>  M "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mortschnerd@carolina.rr.com.nospam> wrote in message  $ news:ZnBCd.3075$QW6.2533@fe03.lga... > bob wrote: > I > Bullshit.  This is because male and female cirumcision aren't the same  L > thing. Female circumcision removes the clitoris as well as the hood.  For J > the male operation to be equivalent, they'd have to remove the glans as  > well as the foreskin.   G Well...  You obviously know nothing about the frenulum and frenar band.     & > What you need is Prozac.  Every day.   You need to do some research.      Daniel.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 07:20:02 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert C Message-ID: <1104852002.415079.257840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   - Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert:  http://www.dilbert.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:22:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert , Message-ID: <41DAC2DC.CA65D514@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote: > / > Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert:  > http://www.dilbert.com  < Sorry if my mind hasn't engaged yet, but what is a "57" ????   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:34:03 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: Guest appearance by Carly in today's Dilbert 2 Message-ID: <%zzCd.5048$wb6.3873@news.cpqcorp.net>  & HP 57 Tri-color Inkjet Print Cartridge  > > Sorry if my mind hasn't engaged yet, but what is a "57" ????   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 04:01:03 -0800  From: pratskr@gmail.com (Reena) $ Subject: How to change the run time?< Message-ID: <8512def6.0501040401.67a669e@posting.google.com>  D There is a job which runs on all days at a particular time.I want toD change the run time of that job only on Week1 Tuesday to a different time.How do I do that?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 07:41:53 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: How to change the run time?3 Message-ID: <VNrRDX8RqvYF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <8512def6.0501040401.67a669e@posting.google.com>, pratskr@gmail.com (Reena) writes:F > There is a job which runs on all days at a particular time.I want toF > change the run time of that job only on Week1 Tuesday to a different > time.How do I do that?  F    There are many ways to set up such a "job" in VMS.  You're going to9    have to tell us whether this is a looping batch job, a M    self-submitting batch job, a detached process started with run /interval,      or some other setup.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:43:37 -0500   From: none <""arobert\"@(none)">( Subject: Re: How to change the run time?0 Message-ID: <10tlas598n5bv32@corp.supernews.com>   Reena wrote:F > There is a job which runs on all days at a particular time.I want toF > change the run time of that job only on Week1 Tuesday to a different > time.How do I do that?  D Are you using a scheduler to do this or are you doing batch submits?  
 Andrew Robert    http://shardservant.no-ip.info   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:38:00 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: How to change the run time?. Message-ID: <cregp8$2jb$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  } pratskr@gmail.com (Reena) writes in article <8512def6.0501040401.67a669e@posting.google.com> dated 4 Jan 2005 04:01:03 -0800: E >There is a job which runs on all days at a particular time.I want to E >change the run time of that job only on Week1 Tuesday to a different  >time.How do I do that?   G Step 1 -- find the SUBMIT command which puts the job in the queue.  For 3 self-resubmitting jobs this part of the job itself.   E If you find it and can't figure out how to change the time even after $ reading "HELP SUBMIT", post it here.  ( If you can't find it, we can't help you.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:34:48 -0700 + From: John Nebel <john.nebel_vms@csdco.com> B Subject: Re: How to get Tape Tools to recognize terminfo database?( Message-ID: <41DAD3B8.4030304@csdco.com>   Alan,    See the VMS readme in [.misc]   ( Directory $1$DGA101:[VMS$COMMON.OPT.LTT]  G CATALOGS.DIR;1      FIRMWARE.DIR;1      HP_LTT.EXE;1        LOGS.DIR;1    ! MISC.DIR;1          SCRIPTS.DIR;1      Hera $ sho defau!    $1$DGA101:[VMS$COMMON.OPT.LTT] = Hera $ DEFINE USR SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.OPT.LTT.MISC.USR]  Hera $ run hp_ltt    (and the screen comes up)     J      +- Informational: hp L&TT ------------------------------------------+       |     |B       |  hp StorageWorks library and tape tools - Version 3.5 SR1     |       |     |C       |  Please stop all software and services that may access any      |'       |  devices that L&TT may access.      |       |     |H       |  Note: This tool uses keyboard commands for navigation, however     |H       |  on most screens you can also enter a blank command to access a     |+       |  numbered menu to select commands.      |       |     |       |     |#       +- Press any key to continue  ( ---------------------------------------+     John    , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:   > OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2  > DS20E 5 > "HP StorageWorks Library and Tape Tools User Guide"  > DCL; GNV not installed.  > O > I downloaded the tape tool PCSI kit, reset file attributes, and INSTALLed it. Q > According to the docs, it needs the terminfo database to run.  I googled around Q > and found somebody else had been looking for this last June, and I followed the O > suggestion that guy had gotten to get termtypes.ti.giz off Eric Raymond's web  > page.  > O > So I GUNZIPed the file and put it in SYS$SYSDEVICE:[USR.LOCAL.SHARE.TERMINFO]  > as TERMTYPES.TI  > N > It seems to be a readable text file.   Manual says to define USR to point at( > the the top level directory, so I did: >  > $sho log usr6 >    "USR" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[USR]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) >  > $ SET TERM/DEV=VT100" > $ run sys$common:[opt.ltt]hp_ltt  > Error opening terminal: vt100. > O > Which apparently tries to run the project, but I guess t can't find the VT100  > entry in the database. >  > $ SET WATCH FILE /CLASS=MAJOR  > 0 > doesn't seem to show it looking for this file. > % > TERMINFO>set watch file/class=major K > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (549,7,0) Reads: 6, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001 ) > TERMINFO>run sys$common:[opt.ltt]hp_ltt D > %XQP, Thread #0, Access HP_LTT.EXE;1 (50203,60,0) Status: 00000001B > %XQP, Thread #0, Access PPLRTL.EXE;1 (1792,7,0) Status: 000000018 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (50203,60,0) Status: 00000001D > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup HP_LTT.EXE;1 (50203,60,0) Status: 000000017 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (37111,3,0) Status: 00000001 J > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup DECC$SHR_EV56.EXE;1 (37111,3,0) Status: 000000018 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (20874,16,0) Status: 00000001F > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup DPML$SHR.EXE;1 (20874,16,0) Status: 000000016 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (1792,7,0) Status: 00000001B > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup PPLRTL.EXE;1 (1792,7,0) Status: 00000001: > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (44897,1440,0) Status: 00000001K > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup PTHREAD$RTL.EXE;1 (44897,1440,0) Status: 00000001 6 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (1636,7,0) Status: 00000001G > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE;1 (1636,7,0) Status: 00000001 8 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (44595,31,0) Status: 00000001D > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup LIBRTL.EXE;1 (44595,31,0) Status: 000000016 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (1759,7,0) Status: 00000001B > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup LIBOTS.EXE;1 (1759,7,0) Status: 000000016 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (1634,7,0) Status: 00000001C > %XQP, Thread #0, Access CMA$RTL.EXE;1 (1634,7,0) Status: 00000001 @ > %XQP, Thread #0, Control function  (1634,7,0) Status: 00000001L > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (1634,7,0) Reads: 3, Writes: 0, Status: 000000013 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (0,0,0) Status: 00000910 3 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (0,0,0) Status: 00000910 3 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (0,0,0) Status: 00000910   > Error opening terminal: vt100.P > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (50203,60,0) Reads: 249, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001M > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (1792,7,0) Reads: 10, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001  >  > O > Where can I put my terminfo file and what can I define to get LTT to use it?  % > If this isn't the problem, what is?  > 	 > Thanks,  > 	 > -- Alan    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 09:27:30 -0800  From: weshop4you@yahoo.com; Subject: How to Turn $5 into $15,000 in 30 Days with PayPal C Message-ID: <1104859650.859142.233160@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G Originally I did this with the thought that all I had to loose was less 1 than the cost of a breakfast out. 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Please do not allow your initial skepticism to) deprive you of certain financial success.   F If you decide not to take advantage of this life-changing opportunity,E I would like you to know that I sincerely respect your decision and I D understand that you will have your reasons. I therefore wish you theE very best of luck for the future. I am able to say this with absolute F sincerity because, as you will see, if you decide to work this plan, IF will not receive any financial compensation from you whatsoever. AfterG all, I am sharing this system with you for free. However, remember life G is short. Nobody has ever said that you ca t have the financial freedom E to do what you want to do, when you want to do it. But you must first @ pay the price. The price here is action; it's as simple as that!B I'm very proud to be able to say that I've fulfilled my duty to my> wife and children by securing their financial future in a veryC uncertain world, and I don't believe that any price is too great to  pay for such peace of mind.   C This is the CHEAPEST, FASTEST and EASIEST way to make serious money  online - PERIOD!  F There are a lot of companies out there offering to put you in your ownG business, but I'm so certain you will make a SERIOUS INCOME with what I D am going to tell you that I'm willing to roll up my sleeves and help you begin - RIGHT NOW!!   ? Remember, I am not asking you to send me a single penny for the E lucrative business project I am about to share with you. In addition, F you will not be asked to buy anything or sacrifice your free time. YouE will make some fast and easy cash, using just a copy of this page and C the simplest and most popular Internet payment system in existence!   D You have most likely seen or heard about this project on TV programsE such as 20/20 and Oprah Winfrey, or you may have read about it in the B Wall Street Journal. If not, here it is below - revealed to you inD step-by-step detail. This program is by no means new. It has been inE existence in many forms for at least a decade. But in the early days, A it required a lot more time and effort, as well as an outlay of a C few hundred pounds. However, thanks to PayPal and the Internet, the D outlay is now virtually ZERO! And what's more, the entire process is9 FASTER, EASIER, and MORE LUCRATIVE than it has EVER been!   E If you're already running a home business, you can easily do this one B along with it. If not, this is the FASTEST and EASIEST way to earnG serious money online that you've ever seen so far in the history of the G Internet! This program works no matter what country you are in, or what A currency you use. It doesn't matter how old or how young you are. G And you certainly won't need any special knowledge or talent. You won't C need to run a website, or make phone calls, or make photocopies, or C send out letters through the mail, or pay for advertising, etc. The  only things you will need are:   An email address  E A Business or Premier PayPal account with at least $5 deposited in it  Just 30 minutes of your time  C This program takes just half an hour to set up and run. After that, G there is absolutely no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you F will stand to gain many thousands of dollars within the next few weeksF from those 30 minutes of easy work! Yes, I know, it sounds too good toG be true! I thought exactly the same thing myself until I actually tried  it out!   F Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it, butD do yourself a big favor and DO THIS ONE as well. You have absolutelyF NOTHING to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-CHANGING amount of moneyF within the next few weeks! In fact, there is NO LIMIT to the amount of? income you can generate from this one single business program!!   G The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand dollars REALLY ? FAST, then this program is the way to do it! It's the CHEAPEST, F FASTEST, EASIEST, and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate in!   G Please be sure to read all of this page . . . take your time, come back D to it . . . go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can certainlyF promise you that! If you don't have time to read all of this now, then1 save this email so you can come back to it later.   6 All you need is a PayPal account and an email address!  E Just about everyone has heard about "PayPal" (if you haven't you will ? soon!) and when I came across this concept I knew it would work ? because, as a member of PayPal (an Ebay company), I had already B experienced their efficiency and excellent standing. PayPal is theG simplest method of making and receiving payments online that anyone has C ever seen! Anyone with an email address can join for FREE! Once you E have a PayPal account, you can send and receive credit card payments, B or from your checking account, to or from anyone - anywhere in theF world! You can even transfer funds to and from your checking or credit? card account. Please read further before you go there...You can G complete this whole process within just half an hour and you will NEVER   & forget the day you decided to do so!!!  G NEED PROOF? Here are just 3 testimonials from the countless individuals D who decided to invest nothing more than $5 and half an hour of their$ time to participate in this program:  E "What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago, G and although I haven't made 15 grand yet, I'm already up to $9,135. I'm    absolutely gob smacked."   Pam Whittemore , Ohio   D "This is Lisa. Well, what can I say?... THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40A e-mail's out like you said and then I just forgot about the whole E thing. To be honest, I didn't really think anything would come of it.  But G when I checked my paypal account a week later, there was over $5,000 in E it! After 30 days I now have over $11,000 to spend! I can't thank you  enough!"   Juan Tovar, NY,NY   E "I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my paypal G account. Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to $12,449. At   C first I thought there had been some sort of error with my account!"    Richard Barrie , Boulder,CO   E Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same thing G as you are at this very moment - reading this! But because they decided   ; to follow the simple instructions given below, they are now E considerably better off as a result. And there's no reason whatsoever D why you can't share in this success. You've got nothing to lose, and EVERYTHING to gain!   B Let's get started, just follow the instructions exactly as set outG below and then prepare yourself for a HUGE influx of cash over the next  30 days!   Here's what you need to do. .    STEP 1  F Ok, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing you needD to do is click on the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just 2 minutes!   Here's the link:   http://tinyurl.com/4ukah  * Note: Copy and paste this to your browser.  B Be sure to use this link so you can sign up for a free BUSINESS or: Premier account. You'll need to have a BUSINESS or PremierC account (and not a PERSONAL account) otherwise you won't be able to / receive credit card payments from other people.    STEP 2  B It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give inF order to receive. So the first thing to do when you have your BusinessC PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a $5 payment from your PayPal G account to the FIRST email address in the list below, along with a note  saying:   % "Please add me to your mailing list."   F Be certain to add this note, as this is what KEEPS THIS PROGRAM LEGAL.C Instructions on how to send a payment are under "SEND MONEY" at the  Paypal site. It's so easy!!   E When you send your $5 payment to the first address in the list, do it E with a great big smile on your face because "as you sow, so shall you  reap!"   Here's the current list:     1. sociedad_disturbed    2. ctj82   3. ffinch815   4. jppiperpilot    5. stevenchoo2006     @ P.S. Google won't show the full email address, so I took out theA suffix of all email listed above. Here is the suffix of the above E email-1. @yahoo.com, 2. @aol.com, 3. @twcny.rr.com, 4. @yahoo.com, 5. 
 @yahoo.comG After you have transferred a $5 payment to the email address at the top : of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you anE indescribable, overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction D in the system. You've just proved to yourself that, because you haveA done it, there must be a great number of other people ready to do G exactly the same. Thus you have now seen for yourself, first hand, that  this business actually works!    STEP 3  C Once you've sent a $5 payment to the address at the top of the list D (along with your note - this is VERY important!), the next thing youF need to do is to obtain a copy of the contents of this page, as you'llC be sending it out (as an email message or by advertising your page, G like I have done) to at least 40 people (keep in mind that 40 is a good = number of people to reach, but with all the different ways of E advertising for free on the internet the amount of views and sign-ups A under you could well exceed into the hundreds or thousands if you D wish....the more people who join the more profitable for everyone onF the list, including you). The copy that you will send out will containG YOUR email address at number 5 in the list - having deleted the address = at Number 1 in the list, and moving the others up a position.   E The best way to do this is you can copy and paste into emails to your @ family and friends. You can copy and paste it and put ads on theE internet, newsgroup, chat room, message boards etc. Or you can create F your own free website, by copying and pasting. There are many free webE pages you can build on the web. And the best part of having this info G on a website for people to follow is you can post links to your site on = paid to click websites or paid to read email sites, for great	D advertising. There are countless ways to get more people like me and% you involved in this amazing program.e  C A. Go to the toolbar at the top of the window and select "Edit" ande then "Select All".  = B. Go to the toolbar again and select "Edit" and then "Copy".i  G C. Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone can viewp it!).e  E D. Fill in your email address and subject line, and then click in thel main message area.  A E. Go to "Edit" and "Paste" to paste the text into your new email D message. Now you can edit and format the message text in any way youD want! However, it's best to just leave the text as it is because you7 want your email to be read by everyone who receives it!w  C The only thing you need to make sure of is that you type YOUR emailwF address at Number 5 in the list in STEP 2. Of course, the address thatA was previously at Number 1 should be removed, and the other emailsF addresses should be moved up a position to accommodate yours at NumberC 5. As long as you have done this correctly, your email is ready forr sending!  @ A word of warning! Don't be tempted to add your email address toE position 1 in order to earn money fast! It doesn't work like that! IflD you do that, you will ONLY reach the people you directly send emails> to, and then your address will be immediately removed from theG Number 1 place and you won't reach thousands of people! But, if you addVC your name to the Number 5 position, there will be literally tens ofhC thousands of people receiving and sending email's later - when youro name is at the Number 1 spot!!!e  E F. Once you've got your email message ready, send out a minimum of 40-C copies of the email - but only to people you know, or to people whonF respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOU offers. By sendingE this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response time is EXTREMELYrG fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!! That's why it takeslA only a few days for those $5 payments to start flooding into youri PayPal account!a  F That's all you need to do! There will be around $15,000 in $5 paymentsA waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next few weeks.nG $15,000 for just 30 minutes work! This is real money that you can spendcG on anything you wish! Just deposit it to your own bank account or spendSF it directly from your PayPal account!!! It's just that easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you?t  E Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single day,2C all over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on thecA Internet every month! The people who send you offers by email cane< provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses? to send to. You can also send out emails to all of your family,sC friends, and to anyone who you think would want to invest $5 and 30tG minutes of their time to make a substantial lump sum within a month. Ifh: you want to operate this business continuously, you shouldA consider obtaining bulk lists of email addresses from a reputabletE mailing list company. That's how I've managed to stay in business forsE the last 2 years! If you already have a legitimate mailing list, thennF this program would be the most profitable way to make use of it. ThereE are many websites that sell thousands of fresh opt-in email addressescF of people who have subscribed to receive exactly this type of program.B For example, visit: www.htmail.com and www.Email2Success.com . The, possibilities are endless, and it's so easy!  C Unlike many other programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only $5.uE That's right, only $5 ONCE, which is much more realistic and providesdF much, much faster results. Only the first person on the list gets your< $5 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that Number 1C position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No cheating cangD occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can be cheated) asE Paypal only allows one account per person. Because it is so easy, theuG response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST - Internet email FAST, and youdF will start seeing dramatic results in less than one week! JUST IN TIME FOR NEXT MONTH'S BILLS!i  F Remember, you need only mail out 40 copies to start with. This will beF enough to generate a substantial lump sum within 30 days. For example,E send to personal contacts and reply to people who send their programsa? to you, as they are already working on the web. They know thesedG programs work and they are already believers in the system! This is NOT   B considered SPAM if you are responding to other people's offers, or> sending to friends, family and contacts, or if you are using a legitimate mailing list.  F So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a huge) influx of cash within the next 30 days!!!o  3 4 factors that make this program so successful. . .a   EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSEo   EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSEp   RATE UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIALl  & QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED  @ Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFITC POTENTIAL, this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all fromsG just a simple email and one simple $5 PayPal transaction! In fact, this D program has faster results and a higher response rate than any otherB Internet program you could possibly participate in! For most emailF marketing campaigns, the average response rate is between 0.5% and 5%.G However, this particular program typically generates a response rate ofn? between 20% and 30%. This is because this program is so easy to @ implement, it costs next to nothing, it takes just 30 minutes to3 implement, and the results can be seen within days.e  G I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is aboutuG as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, no printedoB copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This program# really keeps it "short and simple"!n       UNLIMITED income potential!n  F This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each toD start. However, you are certainly not limited to 40 Send out as manyE emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT LEASTuE $15,000 WITHIN 30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or whatever,.@ GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT!  C However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on themC list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the4G other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right to be F there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will come to you!  E You are probably skeptical of this, especially with all the different G programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this you will nevereG know. I felt exactly the same as you probably do right now. I wanted tosE believe but i just couldn't help thinking that there was some sort ofnG catch. But then I realized that I had absolutely nothing to lose. Aftern  G all, I was only being asked to invest a measly $5, and yet I could earniG many thousands of dollars within a month. And all for just half an hour ? of my time! Therefore I went ahead and did exactly as the emailnC requested. This took me around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so,u glad I did that!  - To get started, just click on the link below:    PayPal sign up   But please play by the rules!i  C This program doesn't cost anything but $5 and about half an hour ofk6 your time, and if everyone plays fair, everyone WINS!!  G So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to makeiD over $15,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can holdF you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief. However, anyA doubts you may currently have will disappear within a few days ofeF putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You certainly won't
 regret it.  9 Some notes from the PayPal site which you may find usefuli  C PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world'sn? Number 1 online payment service. PayPal (as an Ebay company) isoC accepted on millions of eBay auctions daily, as well as a countless E number of online shops. You can also use PayPal to pay your friends -mD for example, it's a convenient way to split the phone bill with yourG roommate, send cash to your kids in college, or send cash to someone ino another country.  C When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments withrE your credit card or check account. You won't have to worry about yourbB privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe andG secure. Making a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than mailing aoF check or giving your credit card number to a stranger. That's why over@ 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to move money.B Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it takes only a couple of minutes.  * Thank you, and good luck in your ventures!  B Please note: This is 100% legal - refer to U.S. Postal and LotteryG Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the D US code, also in the code of Federal Regulations, Volume 16, SectionC 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged forrF money received. In this case you are being placed on a mailing list (a service) for $5.9 Note: These letters are monitored by all who participate.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:50:12 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>2 Subject: Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development2 Message-ID: <UWyCd.5043$R46.2916@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dave Froble wrote:   > E > This issue has caused me to ask the question, "What did/does Intel n+ > want?". Perhaps John can comment on this.  > I > Steve Lionel is a Fortran guy, at least from the posts I've read.  So, 7K > Intel appears to be interested in Fortran.  I'm going to guess that they u; > (Intel) would also be interested in C, and perhaps Cobol.e > J > I've seen recent posts from Ed Vogal (spelling?), on questions about C, F > who appears to still be with HP.  Maybe he had BASIC tatooed on his  > forehead.  :-) > J > John, can you comment on the people who moved to Intel, with respect to K > what languages they worked with?  Can you comment on what Intel may have t > wanted/not wanted? >   I What does/did Intel want?  I may be chopped liver, but I'm certainly not .I a mind reader.  As for pushing vs pulling, I suspect pulling, but again,  . I wasn't involved with any of the discussions.  H For people, Intel received a significant chunk of the GEM team plus the H Fortran team (give or take).  As for what those people are now doing at & Intel, I have no clue.  I work for HP.  ? For product, they received Fortran.  For years, people praised rG DEC/Compaq's Visual Fortran product so that seemed to be a winner over  I any existing Intel product.  For C, I don't see why Intel would want our  E C compiler since they have a perfectly good one.  For COBOL, I think lD that space is often left to 3rd parties, yes? (at least for Windows  platforms).n   -- e John Reagane/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leadero Hewlett-Packard Companyo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:57:21 -0500n  From: none <""arobert\"@(none)">E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh-0 Message-ID: <10tlbltlcmdj322@corp.supernews.com>  
 amk wrote:	 > HI all,> > : > I need a way (in DCL, if possible) to  find, from within? > an existing process, if this process was logged-in using SSH. C > As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive usersm$ > trying to login without using SSH. > 	 > Thanks,a > Amk1 >   D If you want to deny access except through SSH, then simply turn the  other services off.C  L The method for doing this will vary based on the TCP/IP stack you are using.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:38:19 -0500l  From: none <""arobert\"@(none)">2 Subject: Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed0 Message-ID: <10tlai7o6f2lka4@corp.supernews.com>   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:r > Alan Fay wrote:o >  >>   >>F >>> Date: 2004-08-19 21:00:17 PST From: Alex (vms@iss-integration.com)J >>> Subject: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >>>      >>>dC >>> Are there any VMS users who benchmarked a recent Legato client - >>> (6.0.1-D or ? >>> 6.0.1-C) restore performance against the native VMS backup?j >>>HC >>> I am looking for timing estimates for a disaster recovery test.p >>>g >>> Thanks,  >>> Alex >>>b >>>    >> >> >> >> Alex, >>C >> You may want to look at some of the performance examples in the u8 >> NetBackup User's Guide for OpenVMS which is available >> from VERITAS support:-e >>N >> ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/  >> >>    nbu_v5_0_vms_pdf.zip >>7 >> Restore performance has been significantly improved.r >>= >> The only way to really test this, is to try it yourself onc' >> your system and compare the results.  >> >> Alan Fayi5 >> VERITAS Software Corporation Roseville Engineeringh >> >> >>   >>K > The problem with Netbackup for disaster recovery is that, before you can  H > recover your VMS system, you must first recover your Netbackup server J > and, second, you must install  a Netbackup client.  All this before you 7 > can even start restoring the rest of your VMS System!, > G > If you use VMS Backup, Sungard (or whoever you use) gives you a boot 0K > disk  which you use to boot the system.  You stick your backup tape in a w > drive and start restoring. > I > The other not nice thing about Netbackup is that, when a backup fails, wH > it returns success!!  I not talking about Backup just encountering an K > error backing up a particular file, I'm talking about a drop-dead halt!   H > It says "server not responding" and exits.  There is no such thing as F > checking your return status and sending E-mail to your pager when a H > backup fails.   If the same job does more than one backup, the others H > all fail silently as well.  If you want to know that a backup failed, G > you have to run another job to examine the log file of the first job.  > D > When I tried to report it as a bug Veritas told me that this is a E > feature!!!!!  Apparently the idea is that it's better to exit with  J > success and "keep on trucking" than to allow the system manager to trap E > the error with an ON ERROR statement and then do something halfway S > intelligent. > I > I would not use Netbackup for anything I would have to recover in case o > of a disaster! >       C I personally prefer the VMS backup because it is native but it was LH decided that the company should standardize on a single backup solution.  L That being said, I found a way to get around the bare-metal restore problem.  F I create a DR backup of the main system and applications disks to DLT  and store it at Iron Mountain.  I In the event of a disaster event, the DLT is recalled to Sungard and the T  basic system is built from that.  H Once the Veritas server is built, restoring the remaining volumes using # the NetBackup client is easy to do.V  4 I've tested this solution and it works like a charm.  
 Thank you,
 Andrew RobertS   http://shardservant.no-ip.info   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 07:45:59 -0800 - From: "Gary McCready" <spamdump@mccready.com>PI Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume B Message-ID: <1104853559.152878.44650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:y7 > In article <41C9E9C0.5D763992@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >s3 > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:&D > > > As I mentioned in my other post, SYSMAN doesn't work---perhaps becausec, > > > it can't access the UAF, I don't know. > > = > > What about define/table=lnm$syscluster/system/exec SYSUAF  filespecificatione > >u6 > > where the spec points to a valid SYSUAF.DAT file ? > > A > > The logical name definition is done through the SCS, so if it- doesn't need tooD > > create a process, it shoudl still work even though the SYSUAF on	 the other  > > node is invalid. > >LE > > Once this is defined, you should then be able to create a process  on the > > remote node. > F > I think that the system-table logical for SYSUAF is still defined on thee@ > other node, so that will be picked up before the cluster-table logical.  D If you have a spare, dismounted disk, you can probably put a copy of: the SYSUAF (and other files you might need that are on the mount-verified disk), and do a  ; MOUNT/CLUSTER new_disk new_disk_label old_disk_logical_name.  G That might be able to replace the "bad" logical name with a usable one,  and then let you login.R   --Gary McCready    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:47:16 -0500Y' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 8 Subject: Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$, Message-ID: <41DA3BF4.6010909@tsoft-inc.com>   hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com wrote:  4 > Hi, everyone, I hope someone can help with this... >  > OS: OpenVMS 7.3A > System: AlphaA > Language: BASIC     M First caviet, I have never used a user supplied routine for the sort to use.  M That said, I'd expect that such a routine would decide sort order, not which  Q record to include in the sort output.  Care to be a bit specific about what part 0 of the docs you're referencing?P    I > I'm trying to write a user-written routine for the user_equal parameter,G > in SOR$BEGIN_SORT. I have to pass the routine by reference, so it hasEB > to be an external routine to use LOC. Also, Sort/merge calls theF > routine with 5 reference arguments ADRS1, ADRS2, LENG1, LENG2, CNTX,I > which are the addresses of the two records to compare, pointers to wordsH > structures containing length information, and the context longword. InI > the user-written routine, I want to compare a non-sort-key field of thehC > two records and select which of the two to discard based on thosee7 > values. I will always keep one and discard the other.h > % > Here's what I think I need to do --4 >  > Main module: > ...X$ > EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION FN_SORT_EQ% > ...0 > SORT_EQ% = LOC(FN_SORT_EQ%)  > ..._? > STATUS% = SOR$BEGIN_SORT(SORT.BUF,LRL%,,,,SORT_EQ%,,SRTTYPE%)  > ..., >  > External function module:hF > FUNCTION LONG FN_SORT_EQ% (STRING REC_1 BY REF, STRING REC_2 BY REF,1 > WORD LEN_1 BY REF, WORD LEN_2 BY REF, LONG CTX) * > EXTERNAL WORD SOR$_DELETE1, SOR$_DELETE2; > IF SEG$(REC_1, 350%, 358%) < SEG$(REC_2, 350%, 358%) THEN  > FN_SORT_EQ% = SOR$_DELETE1 > ELSE > FN_SORT_EQ% = SOR$_DELETE2 > END IF > END FUNCTION    L Ok, you're used to BASIC.  That means that you're used to how BASIC handles N strings.  I haven't looked at the docs, but I'd wager that you're not working N with dynamic/static string descriptors.  Good chance that you're being passed Q the address of the first byte of each string, and the address of a word/longword  P that contains the length of each string.  First guess in a word value, since so K much of VMS limits strings to 32767 bytes.  The context is most likely the  Q address of a longword.  All this is just a guess, based from working with system e services and library routines.    H > The outcome I wish is that if the REC_1 field < the REC_2 field, REC_1- > is discarded, otherwise REC_2 is discarded.e > D > Is this correct? I think I'm missing something (or perhaps severalH > things). The 3rd and 4th arguments passed to the function are supposedH > to be pointers to word structures containing length information, but I5 > don't have a clue what those structures consist of.      A word.a   > I don't really carebG > what's in them because I don't need them - the records I am comparingoG > will always be the same length, but I'm not certain if I can just not-D > declare them and they would be ignored. Is this even close or am I+ > completely misunderstanding the VMS docs?C    Q It's good to not make assumptions.  Might want to check the lengths, and if they i/ aren't what you expect, yell, scream, and kick.I     > Thanks in advance, > Cheryl >  >   Q The gray wall isn't handy tonite.  Post the chapter, section, etc of what you're y) looking at and I'll take a look tomorrow.d   Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2005 23:57:50 -0800s From: hoefelmeyer@hotmail.comg8 Subject: Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$C Message-ID: <1104825470.751996.158350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>a   Dave Froble wrote:  > hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com wrote: > 6 > > Hi, everyone, I hope someone can help with this... > >h > > OS: OpenVMS 7.3f > > System: Alphac > > Language: BASICi >n >eF > First caviet, I have never used a user supplied routine for the sort to use.nD > That said, I'd expect that such a routine would decide sort order,	 not whichhB > record to include in the sort output.  Care to be a bit specific about what partt! > of the docs you're referencing?r > C The SOR$ routines documentation. Sort order is determined by what's G passed in the key information parameter. I am asking specifically about  the user_equal parameter.  >wA > > I'm trying to write a user-written routine for the user_equal 	 parameter E > > in SOR$BEGIN_SORT. I have to pass the routine by reference, so its has D > > to be an external routine to use LOC. Also, Sort/merge calls theB > > routine with 5 reference arguments ADRS1, ADRS2, LENG1, LENG2, CNTX,hF > > which are the addresses of the two records to compare, pointers to wordG > > structures containing length information, and the context longword.u InG > > the user-written routine, I want to compare a non-sort-key field of  theyE > > two records and select which of the two to discard based on thosem9 > > values. I will always keep one and discard the other.u > >a' > > Here's what I think I need to do --n > >h > > Main module: > > ...e& > > EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION FN_SORT_EQ% > > ...m > > SORT_EQ% = LOC(FN_SORT_EQ%)s > > ...tA > > STATUS% = SOR$BEGIN_SORT(SORT.BUF,LRL%,,,,SORT_EQ%,,SRTTYPE%)h > > ...x > >d > > External function module:0C > > FUNCTION LONG FN_SORT_EQ% (STRING REC_1 BY REF, STRING REC_2 BYa REF,3 > > WORD LEN_1 BY REF, WORD LEN_2 BY REF, LONG CTX)e, > > EXTERNAL WORD SOR$_DELETE1, SOR$_DELETE2= > > IF SEG$(REC_1, 350%, 358%) < SEG$(REC_2, 350%, 358%) THENe > > FN_SORT_EQ% = SOR$_DELETE1 > > ELSE > > FN_SORT_EQ% = SOR$_DELETE2
 > > END IF > > END FUNCTION >f >iE > Ok, you're used to BASIC.  That means that you're used to how BASICi handlestG > strings.  I haven't looked at the docs, but I'd wager that you're not  workingdB > with dynamic/static string descriptors.  Good chance that you're being passedD > the address of the first byte of each string, and the address of a
 word/longwordfA > that contains the length of each string.  First guess in a wordy value, since sotA > much of VMS limits strings to 32767 bytes.  The context is mostp
 likely theF > address of a longword.  All this is just a guess, based from working with system   > services and library routines. >rC Of the 5 arguments, the first 2 are addresses by reference, and thehE last is a longword by value. The only parameters I have a question on. are the length parameters. >rD > > The outcome I wish is that if the REC_1 field < the REC_2 field, REC_1a/ > > is discarded, otherwise REC_2 is discarded.e > >cF > > Is this correct? I think I'm missing something (or perhaps severalA > > things). The 3rd and 4th arguments passed to the function area supposedD > > to be pointers to word structures containing length information, but In7 > > don't have a clue what those structures consist of.o >r > 	 > A word.i >o/ No, a word is not the same as a word structure.e$ Thanks for giving it a shot, though. >t > > I don't really caren? > > what's in them because I don't need them - the records I ame	 comparingnE > > will always be the same length, but I'm not certain if I can justo notIF > > declare them and they would be ignored. Is this even close or am I- > > completely misunderstanding the VMS docs?l >k >oF > It's good to not make assumptions.  Might want to check the lengths, and if theyu1 > aren't what you expect, yell, scream, and kick.a >m >  > > Thanks in advance,
 > > Cheryl > >n > >r >aF > The gray wall isn't handy tonite.  Post the chapter, section, etc of what you're + > looking at and I'll take a look tomorrow.d >  > Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 07:23:26 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org8 Subject: Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$3 Message-ID: <EBce7tBhsjo5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1104825470.751996.158350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com writes:t >  > Dave Froble wrote:! >> hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com wrote:A8 >> > don't have a clue what those structures consist of. >> >>
 >> A word. >>1 > No, a word is not the same as a word structure.s& > Thanks for giving it a shot, though.  B Dollars to doughnuts, a "word structure" is a structure consistingE of exactly one field which is a 16 bit unsigned word in this context.a  C If you don't have a clue, don't spit on those that you are offered.   > For reference, here's the relevant extract from the grey wall:   <<begin quote>>   
 user_equal   OpenVMS usage: procedure t type: procedure value  access: function call  mechanism: by reference   N User-written routine that resolves the sort order when records have duplicate H keys. (This argument is not currently supported by the high-performance M Sort/Merge utility.) The user_equal argument is the address of the procedure  D value for this user-written routine. If you specify SOR$M_STABLE or @ SOR$M_NODUPS in the options argument, do not use this argument. ? SORT/MERGE calls the duplicate key routine with five reference o	 argumentso  & ---ADRS1, ADRS2, LENG1, LENG2, CNTX---   corresponding to the addresses  M of the two records that compare equally, the lengths of the two records that ,M compare equally, and the context longword. The LENG1 and LENG2 arguments are HG addresses that point to 16-bit word structures that contain the length n
 information. e  
 <<end quote>>r   I take that to mean that  ) ADRS1 is one record contents by referenceg  / ADRS2 is the other record contents by referencey  K LENG1 is a 16 bit word containing the length of the one record by referencew  M LENG2 is a 16 bit word containing the length of the other record by referenceu  G CNTX is an unininterpreted argument.  The type and mechanism you choose E when you pass it in SOR$BEGIN_SORT should match the ones you use whent+ you retrieve it in your user equal routine.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 08:15:15 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org8 Subject: Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$3 Message-ID: <L6vUTWX3tV5I@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  T In article <EBce7tBhsjo5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > I take that to mean that > + > ADRS1 is one record contents by referencen > 1 > ADRS2 is the other record contents by referenceo > M > LENG1 is a 16 bit word containing the length of the one record by referencea > O > LENG2 is a 16 bit word containing the length of the other record by reference  > I > CNTX is an unininterpreted argument.  The type and mechanism you chooseeG > when you pass it in SOR$BEGIN_SORT should match the ones you use whenh- > you retrieve it in your user equal routine.t  C Testing appears to confirm this.  Minimal Fortran code based on thej above interpretation follows.E  H I did not try to push the envelope by trying to sort records larger thanD 32K bytes to test whether the length words were signed nor did I tryF to sort records larger than 64K bytes to test whether the length could occupy 32 bits rather than 16.  H The context argument that I chose was longword 0 by value -- the defaultG for a missing argument.  Probably I was over-paranoid there, specifyingaB it explicitly a couple places rather than consistently omitting it everywhere.   &         options         /extend_source         implicit        none  &         integer         sor$begin_sort&         integer         sor$pass_files&         integer         sor$sort_merge$         integer         sor$end_sort"         integer         user_equal$         integer         user_compare"         external        user_equal$         external        user_compare           integer         status  =         status = sor$pass_files ( 'input.dat', 'output.dat' )t          if ( .not. status ) then+                 type *, 'pass files failed'o.                 call sys$exit ( %val(status) )         end if  D         status = sor$begin_sort ( ,,,, user_compare, user_equal,,, )          if ( .not. status ) then+                 type *, 'begin sort failed'r.                 call sys$exit ( %val(status) )         end if  +         status = sor$sort_merge ( %val(0) )           if ( .not. status ) then+                 type *, 'sort merge failed' .                 call sys$exit ( %val(status) )         end if  )         status = sor$end_sort ( %val(0) )           if ( .not. status ) then)                 type *, 'end sort failed' .                 call sys$exit ( %val(status) )         end if           endn  =         integer function user_compare ( s1, s2, l1, l2, ctx )I         implicit        none           integer *2      l1, l2         byte s1(l1), s2(l2)s         integer         ctxe           integer ik  -         write ( 6, '(1x, a)' ) 'user compare'eH         write ( 6, '(1x, i5, 1x, <l1>a)' ) l1, (char(s1(i)), i = 1, l1 )H         write ( 6, '(1x, i5, 1x, <l2>a)' ) l1, (char(s2(i)), i = 1, l2 )           user_compare = 0         return           enda    ;         integer function user_equal ( s1, s2, l1, l2, ctx )o         implicit        none           integer *2      l1, l2         byte s1(l1), s2(l2)5         integer         ctxc           integer ia  +         write ( 6, '(1x, a)' ) 'user equal' H         write ( 6, '(1x, i5, 1x, <l1>a)' ) l1, (char(s1(i)), i = 1, l1 )H         write ( 6, '(1x, i5, 1x, <l2>a)' ) l1, (char(s2(i)), i = 1, l2 )           user_equal = 1         return           ends     Given input file:    ay ab abco abcd fm   This displayed:d   $ r test user compare     1 fe
     4 abcd
 user equal     1 f 
     4 abcd user compare
     4 abcd	     3 abcc
 user equal
     4 abcd	     3 abcr user compare	     3 abci     2 ab
 user equal	     3 abcs     2 ab user compare     2 ab     1 at
 user equal     2 ab     1 ak  C Reasonable results.  4 comparisons and 4 equality tests to sort a 5b7 record file whose records all turned out to be "equal".    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:28:47 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> $ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification; Message-ID: <8_vCd.16752$P%3.1048216@news20.bellglobal.com>o  K Believe it or not, I'm more confused than before. Between "public responsesi( in this newsgroup" and "private emails":  G ~50% said UNIX supported threads but its own kernel was single threadedf+ ~50% said UNIX kernels were multi-threaded.s  I Thanks to those who sent longer technical descriptions because I now haveeJ more respect for UNIX than I did before. That said, I still prefer to work on OpenVMS systems.t    Neil Rieckh Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,' Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 07:38:19 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o$ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification3 Message-ID: <cXwuusyNNyv4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <nospam-FCD885.22015903012005@news.verizon.net>, Bob Harris <nospam@sorry.I.have.been.harvested.before> writes: > J > Besides, it would not matter if there were multiple threads per process H > or just using lots of processes.  Inside the kernel _EVERYTHING_ _IS_ % > _GLOBAL_ if you know where to look.   C    You seem to misunderstand the design of a multi-threaded kernel.a@    The globality of data structures is irrelavent.  CoordinationE    any synchronization to asynchronous events is what it's all about.u   >  e' >> Why would Unix be single threaded?  n > I > In days of old, and mostly in days where there was only 1 CPU in a box tC > (no SMP systems), there was generally 1 thread off execution per cD > process.  And of course there was no POSIX Threads (pthreads), or 6 > DECthreads, or any other use more threading package.  F    The number of CPUs is also irrelavent.  VMS was multi-threaded fromG    day one, on single CPU VAX 11/780 so that it could do things the oldnE    single threaded UNIX kernels can not.  A lot of work has gone intoaH    modifying UNIX kernels to be multi-threaded since, but there are many<    applications for which they still can't keep up with VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 08:02:18 -0600oB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)$ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification3 Message-ID: <Dz$09QlGW2Mu@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  g In article <8_vCd.16752$P%3.1048216@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:yM > Believe it or not, I'm more confused than before. Between "public responses * > in this newsgroup" and "private emails": > I > ~50% said UNIX supported threads but its own kernel was single threadedd- > ~50% said UNIX kernels were multi-threaded.o >   - A clarification from you may be required. :-)s  I When you are asking about multi-threading capabilities, are you using the G phrase "multi-threaded" as an alias for multitasking (between differentaI processes) or are you using "multi-threaded" in it's current modern form,oH where it describes multiple threads of execution within a single process, space (and is different from multitasking) ?  J IE: VMS has been multitasking from day 1, but was not multi-threaded until later.   Simon.   -- aB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st centuryc   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 08:30:47 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o$ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification3 Message-ID: <yzCoQ7V4aQnv@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  x In article <Dz$09QlGW2Mu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:i > In article <8_vCd.16752$P%3.1048216@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: N >> Believe it or not, I'm more confused than before. Between "public responses+ >> in this newsgroup" and "private emails":t >> wJ >> ~50% said UNIX supported threads but its own kernel was single threaded. >> ~50% said UNIX kernels were multi-threaded. >> w > / > A clarification from you may be required. :-)l > K > When you are asking about multi-threading capabilities, are you using therI > phrase "multi-threaded" as an alias for multitasking (between differenteK > processes) or are you using "multi-threaded" in it's current modern form,hJ > where it describes multiple threads of execution within a single process. > space (and is different from multitasking) ? > L > IE: VMS has been multitasking from day 1, but was not multi-threaded until > later.  B ASTs have made individual VMS processes multi-threaded from day 1,; but not with the familiar (to some) Unix programming model.s  B Only after the addition of that Unix programming model was supportA added for a single process actually executing on multiple CPUs at @ the same time, but that is not the definition of multi-threaded.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:08:18 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>b$ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification, Message-ID: <41DABF71.416894DD@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    The number of CPUs is also irrelavent.  VMS was multi-threaded fromI >    day one, on single CPU VAX 11/780 so that it could do things the oldm* >    single threaded UNIX kernels can not.    > Any specific examples of what it could do that Unix couldn't ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 12:03:00 -0600nB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)$ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification3 Message-ID: <F58XLks9L4Tr@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  c In article <yzCoQ7V4aQnv@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:rz > In article <Dz$09QlGW2Mu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: >> mL >> When you are asking about multi-threading capabilities, are you using theJ >> phrase "multi-threaded" as an alias for multitasking (between differentL >> processes) or are you using "multi-threaded" in it's current modern form,K >> where it describes multiple threads of execution within a single process / >> space (and is different from multitasking) ?  >> aM >> IE: VMS has been multitasking from day 1, but was not multi-threaded untild	 >> later.u > D > ASTs have made individual VMS processes multi-threaded from day 1,= > but not with the familiar (to some) Unix programming model.  >   E Interesting. If you look at it that way, it could be argued that UnixxJ signals, especially SIGALRM (used in some Unix timer syscalls), could be aH form of multi-threading, even in Unix systems that don't have user level thread support.P  D > Only after the addition of that Unix programming model was supportC > added for a single process actually executing on multiple CPUs atiB > the same time, but that is not the definition of multi-threaded.  F Agreed. I was referring to what is really just multitasking _within_ a> user process, without it having any multiple CPU requirements.   Simon.   -- uB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st centuryt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:48:42 -0500( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>C Subject: Re: RMS and Fast Delete: How to update alternate indexes ?i, Message-ID: <41dabb04$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 "H Benoit" <henri.benoit@capgemini.com> wrote in message7 news:611c47af.0501030623.13e932ad@posting.google.com... F > When I am reading VMS documentation on "fast delete" feature for RMS  K for the benefit of others: OpenVMS File Applications 8.2.4 Deleting Records"     > file, and I can read that: >nG > " RMS does not attempt to remove any of the pointers from alternativeo! > indexes to the deleted record."  >  > and, >4A > "You improve performance by postponing the processing needed tosA > eliminate the pointers from alternative indexes to the record."l >,< > So I don't see any where How To "eliminate the pointers" ?  J You are parsing the documentation wrong, or if you prefer, the documention is poorly written.	 Try this:   H If YOU specify RAB$V_FDL then RMS improves performance (for the delete).  * > I suppose I have to use CONVERT utility.  I IF you use Fast Delete, then you will leave dangling SIDR entries behind.mI Convert will clean up because it rebuilds the Sencondary Indexes cleanly.iE IF you don't use Fast Delete, then you will leave empty space in SIDRw buckets behind. I Convert will clean up because it rebuilds the Sencondary Indexes cleanly.   K Summary... convert file frequently if lots of deletes are done, whether you  use FDL or not. :-)   # Dont't bother with convert/reclaim.lF It will only expunges (alternate key) buckets that are entirely empty.  
 Good luck! Hein.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:19:54 GMT + From: Robert Boers <r_boers@softresint.com>e< Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?( Message-ID: <41da97f8@news.deckpoint.ch>   JF Mezei wrote:i > Re: USB drives on VMS  > N > Forget Itanium. I want USB on my all mighty Microvax II.  Backing up 10 gigs) > on TK50s takes more than a year :-) ;-)   B FYI, USB memory sticks can be used as ODS-2 formatted drives with ? CHARON-VAX. VMS nicely recognizes them as removable media. See:h  A ftp://ftp.sri-gva.ch/Documentation/Application%20notes/AN-038.pdfk   Robert Boers   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 08:32:04 -0600d- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a< Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?3 Message-ID: <7gv+ZXhF4IEn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <41da9747@news.deckpoint.ch>, Robert Boers <r_boers@softresint.com> writes:  K > For tapes with CHARON-VAX on a laptop, you can use a PCMCIA SCSI adapter oG > with e.g. a TKZ50. The only disadvantage is that the TKZ50 is bigger s > than the laptop...  E I thought a TKZ50 was something other than SCSI and a TKZ30 was SCSI.h   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2005 08:32:46 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?3 Message-ID: <dyjTdzdNJjGl@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  V In article <41da97f8@news.deckpoint.ch>, Robert Boers <r_boers@softresint.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:a >> Re: USB drives on VMS >> rO >> Forget Itanium. I want USB on my all mighty Microvax II.  Backing up 10 gigsT* >> on TK50s takes more than a year :-) ;-) > D > FYI, USB memory sticks can be used as ODS-2 formatted drives with < > CHARON-VAX. VMS nicely recognizes them as removable media.   Is that true even on Alpha ?   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:14:12 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)< Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?) Message-ID: <05010410141193@antinode.org>,  - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e  	 > > [...]   G > I thought a TKZ50 was something other than SCSI and a TKZ30 was SCSI.f  H    The drive is a TK50Z-xx.  The SCSI adapter card inside is a TZK50.  I8 assume that a "TKZ50" is a mistake.  That said, however:  B    A TK50Z-GA sure has my AlpSta 200 4/233 fooled.  Perhaps you'reH thinking of the difference between a TK50Z-FA (MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000)F and a TK50Z-GA (later, "true" SCSI systems).  As "F" is different fromD "G", I'm sure that there must be some difference, but I've used bothE drives on newer systems with no problems (by TK50 standards, anyway).s   alp $ show device /full tk50  M Magtape ALP$MKA100:, device type TK50, is online, file-oriented device, error 1     logging is enabled, device supports fastskip.  [...]e  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgn    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: xerces-c problemb. Message-ID: <crefrp$2jb$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes in article <crbm4b$p1i$1@bozon2.softax.pl> dated Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:50:52 +0100:A >When I validate XML message against schema (on VMS) I get error:i >oF >test.xml:0 (column 0, path ) PARSE-FATAL-ERROR An exception occurred!I >Type:MalformedURLException, Message:The URL used an unsupported protocolp >p
 >test.xml is:o >q' ><?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>t ><a></a> > D >The same code works fine on Linux. We use XercesC on both platform.  K Since the error happens at line 0 column 0 it's probably a problem with theiK schema or a problem opening the xml file.  The diagnostic suggests that thel= protocol used in the URL of the schema is unknown (to VMS).  V  L If it's based on the result of a getservbyname() call, you should be able toK fix it by adding a disabled service in TCPIP.  For example, if the protocolu
 is http, use:h  7 $ tcpip set serv http /port=80 /proc=""/user=""/file=""g  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.008 ************************