0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 07 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 13      Contents: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser, Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser hello 5 Re: Help - SYSUAF and $SETUAI on UAI$_USER_DATA field  Re: How to get a free iPod?  Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  RE: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement  HPworld : Mark Gorham interview 8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 RE: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine8 Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine MOSAIC questions (mime types) / Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$ 2 Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License6 Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License6 Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License6 Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License6 Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License6 Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License Re: TCP/IP mailing problem Re: TCP/IP mailing problem This Program Realy Works- Re: VAXstation 3100: supported under VMS 7.3? - Re: VAXstation 3100: supported under VMS 7.3? - Re: VAXstation 3100: supported under VMS 7.3?  Re: VMS and digital cameras  VMS ready laser printer? Re: VMS ready laser printer? Re: VMS ready laser printer?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 12:50:05 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette 3 Message-ID: <G6TAtDoZWcgC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <3456vgF4645f4U1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:   J > At least what Island does is not as bad as Computer Clearing House, justH > as I was reading this thread I received a direct e-mail from them thatG > did not go into my spam box. I had hardware@computerch.net in my spam 6 > rules, but today they changed the sending address toG > davevl@computerch.net so the garbage ended up in my inbox. Time to go  > update my rule.   H I have whole domain listed so it goes straight into my SpamCop reportingE pile.  If more of us who do not control our own MTAs would report via K SpamCop more MTAs would reject their mailings and they might get the point.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:10:02 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca># Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette , Message-ID: <345godF442laoU1@individual.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >...@ > I have whole domain listed so it goes straight into my SpamCopF > reporting pile.  If more of us who do not control our own MTAs wouldC > report via SpamCop more MTAs would reject their mailings and they  > might get the point.  B I wish I could find a way to send email sent to my client provided5 e-mail address to SpamCop, everything that goes to my E WeaverConsulting.ca accounts or my weaverconsultingservices@sympatico G account goes to SpamCop but I get very little spam there (normally 2 to F 5 messages per day). The client uses Outlook and Exchange so I can notD get the full headers to send to SpamCop. That account gets 60 to 100 spams a day.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:51:30 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> # Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette ' Message-ID: <41DDA4D2.3020609@MMaz.com>    Peter Weaver wrote:    >Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >    >  >>... @ >>I have whole domain listed so it goes straight into my SpamCopF >>reporting pile.  If more of us who do not control our own MTAs wouldC >>report via SpamCop more MTAs would reject their mailings and they  >>might get the point. >>     >> > C >I wish I could find a way to send email sent to my client provided 6 >e-mail address to SpamCop, everything that goes to myF >WeaverConsulting.ca accounts or my weaverconsultingservices@sympaticoH >account goes to SpamCop but I get very little spam there (normally 2 toG >5 messages per day). The client uses Outlook and Exchange so I can not E >get the full headers to send to SpamCop. That account gets 60 to 100 
 >spams a day.  >    > G A suggestion, if you're client will allow it, is to create an alias on  E the MTA that will also forward a copy of all e-mail received to that  D person, to your SpamCop address, in addition to them receiving it...   Barry      --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:26:40 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette , Message-ID: <VKqdnXVIsLS6VEDcRVn-jQ@igs.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> ...A >> I have whole domain listed so it goes straight into my SpamCop G >> reporting pile.  If more of us who do not control our own MTAs would D >> report via SpamCop more MTAs would reject their mailings and they >> might get the point.  > D > I wish I could find a way to send email sent to my client provided7 > e-mail address to SpamCop, everything that goes to my G > WeaverConsulting.ca accounts or my weaverconsultingservices@sympatico F > account goes to SpamCop but I get very little spam there (normally 2G > to 5 messages per day). The client uses Outlook and Exchange so I can F > not get the full headers to send to SpamCop. That account gets 60 to > 100 spams a day.    D Try Eudora even it all you use it for is to import the messages fromH Outhouse to send the abuse report to Spamcop. I think the headers importB fully (not tried it as I use Eudora exclusively for non-NG related messaging).    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC)? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> 9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <41DDD19E.19EA2815@encompasserve-or-this.org>    Maybe tomorrow, maybe someday.  ! Some useful links available here:   ? http://www.encompasserve.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/3411.1.HTML   C "o  Timothy Stark (of TS-10 VAX Emulator fame) reported bringing an  Alpha A emulator along to the point where it could run SRM.  Timothy also  mentions he 5 found two Alpha emulators, SimOS (from Stanford: see   http://simos.stanford.edu/B ), and SimpleScalar (see http://www.simplescalar.com/), during his
 research. # o  Virtutech Simics Alpha simulator 6    http://www.virtutech.com/products/archs/alpha.html  o  SimCore/Alpha: 8 http://www.yuba.is.uec.ac.jp/~kis/SimCore/functional.htmE o  SMTSim from UCSD: http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/users/tullsen/smtsim.html - o  AINT from University of Colorado Boulder:  <    https://systems.cs.colorado.edu/DistributedSoftware/Aint/? o  The 2003 VMS L&T SIG tapes contained Alphaahb4, an Alpha CPU 
 emulator."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:58:34 -0500 , From: Dan Drake <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser 8 Message-ID: <l59rt09ov35cp53ugdc12i5ph6jtfp0v76@4ax.com>  5 On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:22:31 +0000, Semolina Pilchard  <ushat@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:   ? >Your excursion into the arcana of the OED doesn't seem to have D >furthered your cause one jot or tittle, Dan, me boy.  I had a quickF >squint in my Lloyd's Encyclopaedic Dictionary (1895) but there was noB >entry for the sexual connotation of "heat", possibly because themD >godly Victorians averted their eyes from dirty shit like that while6 >bungholing the manservant over the dining-room table.  C So give us a dictionary cite that supports *your* derivation of 'in  heat,' then.   D >To get the minor technicalities out of the road, Middle English was$ >what they spoke, not who they were.  C I know that, and I think you know what I meant.  *You* need to deal E with the *major* technicality of providing us a dictionary definition D that says that 'in heat' is derived from the elevated temperature of) the pussy.  Middle English, if you can...   H >>It seems like male animals used to get sexual heat, but they don't any- >>more.  Maybe you know something about that?  > D >Oh, dear.  How fucking persistent you are.  I admire a captain that# >goes down with his ship, though.     B Not persistent, or going down with any ship.  Just a tad bored and$ looking for amusement, to be honest.  B Get back to us with the cite to support your assertion, or go down! with *your* ship.  Happy hunting.  --  	 Dan Drake    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:57:30 +0000 . From: Semolina Pilchard <ushat@ukonline.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser 8 Message-ID: <80brt058o6ih47rdha275t2etehrhgcgbe@4ax.com>  - On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:58:34 -0500, Dan Drake # <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote:   6 >On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:22:31 +0000, Semolina Pilchard ><ushat@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > @ >>Your excursion into the arcana of the OED doesn't seem to haveE >>furthered your cause one jot or tittle, Dan, me boy.  I had a quick G >>squint in my Lloyd's Encyclopaedic Dictionary (1895) but there was no C >>entry for the sexual connotation of "heat", possibly because them E >>godly Victorians averted their eyes from dirty shit like that while 7 >>bungholing the manservant over the dining-room table.  > D >So give us a dictionary cite that supports *your* derivation of 'in
 >heat,' then.   E In what you left quoted above, I had made it clear that my dictionary A didn't cover that derivation, so you thought you scented a little 8 weakness, did you, Dan?  You play dirty and I like that.  C First off, your own quote from the OED supported my position rather D well and kicked yours out into the long grass.  That doesn't seem to7 have sunk in yet, but in the days and months to come...   C Secondly, for the odd occasion when I develop a passing interest in ? anything that wasn't around in 1895 and is therefore not in the C admirable Lloyd's, I have a coupla fall-back dictionaries.  They're D lowbrow quick fix dictionaries which I hold in all the regard that aB Dowager Duchess has for a dog-turd on her flowered Wilton, but you asked.  > The eighth meaning of "heat" in Collins Concise Dictionary andF Thesaurus (2002) is, "in or on heat (of some female mammals) ready for mating."  @ The Concise Oxford Dictionary (1974) says: "Sexual excitement of< animals during the breeding season (on, in, at ~ of females)  @ So that I did not appear disobliging, I even consulted an onlineB dictionary, though I don't hold with using the internet for things@ other than abusing people in usenet, downloading pornography and> stealing software.  Anyone who would normally even CONCEIVE ofB consulting an online dictionary is absolute despicable sewer and a degenerate.   B Anyway, dictionary.com, in its laconic way, confines itself to theE single word "estrus", spelled in the quaint colonial manner.  Oestrus & applies only to *female* mammals, Dan.  E Now that we've got that dry and tedious exercise out of the way, open E the seacocks and scuttle yer tub, Dan.  You're fucked.  Salute as you ? go under.  You're going down to Davey Jones Locker, Dan me boy.    Yo, ho, ho and a bottle of rum, ! 16 men on the dead man's chest...   E R.I.P Dan Drake, buried at sea this 6th Day of January 2005.  Cut off - by heat in the prime of life.  A-fucking-men.  --   Sem    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:19:54 -0500 , From: Dan Drake <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser 8 Message-ID: <ldhrt0hplbcip4vqi2cnofoo98s1ailfhe@4ax.com>  5 On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:57:30 +0000, Semolina Pilchard  <ushat@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:   F >In what you left quoted above, I had made it clear that my dictionaryB >didn't cover that derivation, so you thought you scented a little9 >weakness, did you, Dan?  You play dirty and I like that.   E You assert that the derivation of 'in heat' is the temperature of the 
 pussy, right?   F Stop obfuscating, and provide a fucking cite for your position or shutF the fuck up.  It's really that simple, for all the dancing around that
 you're doing.   ? Let me put it in simple words that even a drunken old Scot will @ understand.  Where is there a credible source that says that the8 derivation of 'on heat' is the temperature of the pussy?  F Just answer the fucking question, Gordon!  No more straw men.  Or just? hold your nose and go down with your ship, like the good little , subservient knob-gobbling Scot that you are. --  	 Dan Drake    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:51:24 +0000 . From: Semolina Pilchard <ushat@ukonline.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser 8 Message-ID: <s6mrt0poptqg65vf3lldoq0evpg1pksg76@4ax.com>  - On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:19:54 -0500, Dan Drake # <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote:   6 >On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:57:30 +0000, Semolina Pilchard ><ushat@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > G >>In what you left quoted above, I had made it clear that my dictionary C >>didn't cover that derivation, so you thought you scented a little : >>weakness, did you, Dan?  You play dirty and I like that. > F >You assert that the derivation of 'in heat' is the temperature of the >pussy, right? > G >Stop obfuscating, and provide a fucking cite for your position or shut G >the fuck up.  It's really that simple, for all the dancing around that  >you're doing. > @ >Let me put it in simple words that even a drunken old Scot willA >understand.  Where is there a credible source that says that the 9 >derivation of 'on heat' is the temperature of the pussy?  > G >Just answer the fucking question, Gordon!  No more straw men.  Or just @ >hold your nose and go down with your ship, like the good little- >subservient knob-gobbling Scot that you are.   C No obfuscation, Dan, no straw men and no dancing around.  You asked E for definitions that supported my position; I gave you a multiplicity C of them.  They don't suit you because they prove you WRONG, Dan, so D you move the goal posts and ask for something else.  It's so, so sadC that a grown man should invest so heavily in not being proved wrong B over a triviality that he stoops to such tactics.  It just screams LOSER.  B Now, being a loser's bad enough, Dan.  Nobody wants to be one, butD some people just are.  You should have made the best of it with goodE grace and a touch of humour, but no.  You had to be a BAD loser, Dan, = and descend to the ad hominems, the nationality, the supposed > drunkenness and the knob-gobbling.  Tcchh, tcchh, (shakes head	 wearily).   C Next time you find a bull elephant in heat, Dan, I suggest you fuck ! it.  Or the mahout.  Or yourself.  --   Sem    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:10:41 -0500 , From: Dan Drake <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser 8 Message-ID: <ngnrt0pfocjnflhhfnieoloa539smq6etg@4ax.com>  5 On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:51:24 +0000, Semolina Pilchard  <ushat@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:   G >>You assert that the derivation of 'in heat' is the temperature of the  >>pussy, right?  >>H >>Stop obfuscating, and provide a fucking cite for your position or shutH >>the fuck up.  It's really that simple, for all the dancing around that >>you're doing.  >>A >>Let me put it in simple words that even a drunken old Scot will B >>understand.  Where is there a credible source that says that the: >>derivation of 'on heat' is the temperature of the pussy? >>H >>Just answer the fucking question, Gordon!  No more straw men.  Or justA >>hold your nose and go down with your ship, like the good little . >>subservient knob-gobbling Scot that you are. > D >No obfuscation, Dan, no straw men and no dancing around.  You askedF >for definitions that supported my position; I gave you a multiplicityD >of them.  They don't suit you because they prove you WRONG, Dan, soE >you move the goal posts and ask for something else.  It's so, so sad D >that a grown man should invest so heavily in not being proved wrongC >over a triviality that he stoops to such tactics.  It just screams  >LOSER.   A Gordon, you loveable old drowning fool.  What part of 'answer the F fucking question' don't you understand?  You asserted that the meaningE of 'on heat' is derived from the actual temperature of the pussy, did  you not?  B Maybe I have a crappy newsfeed or something, because I sure missedE where you cited any, let alone a credible, source for your assertion.  Middle English or otherwise...  C In case I missed it, do me a favo(u)r, and tell me again what/where ; your source is.  Apart from 'because I said so,' of course.   B Can you understand what I'm asking?  WHERE IS 'ON HEAT' DEFINED ASB HIGHER THAN NORMAL PUSSY TEMPERATURE?  Sorry to shout, but I can'tE think what else to do to penetrate your somewhat dubious and probably  ethanol-enhanced consciousness.    *snork*  --  	 Dan Drake    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:43:55 -0700, From: "angelicusrex" <whisperindave@msn.com>5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser , Message-ID: <3467qlF41qtthU1@individual.net>  I Who the fuck cares about being in heat? A human being can get their mojo  K workin' any time of the day or night. If you are so worried about all this  . pap, take it to alt.veterinarians.doggyheat...   Archimandrite Pudlevitcz     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:37:29 GMT ) From: Pantheras <PopeJoan@Vatican.Godnet> 5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser B Message-ID: <JBmDd.2508$Pm6.1504@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   angelicusrex wrote: K > Who the fuck cares about being in heat? A human being can get their mojo  M > workin' any time of the day or night. If you are so worried about all this  0 > pap, take it to alt.veterinarians.doggyheat... >  > Archimandrite Pudlevitcz   >  > E You are making a big splash with a post like this in alt.tasteless. I G assume that you fit right in the other groups that you cross posted to. C Do your self a favor and watch what groups you post to from now on.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:14:32 -0500% From: "father" <spankie44y@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: For JF: Young men kill their circumciser E Message-ID: <13374$41de1aa9$d8536f36$10959@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>   9 "Dan Drake" <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote in message 2 news:ltemt091kekfoa7e5svlslbh7ibnfajar5@4ax.com...' > Tell that to a male elephant in must.  > --   > Dan Drake    Elephant penis........ sounds very kinky!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 16:12:36 -0800  From: "lilly" <swalton@tds.net>  Subject: helloC Message-ID: <1105056756.564246.197870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   A THIS IS REAL, TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ THIS.....NO BODY IS SCAMING  YOU...G THE 5 MINUTES IT WILL TAKE YOU TO READ THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR FUTURE....   ( $$ make thousands w/ paypal.com + $1 x 6    1 How to make thousands of $$ dollars on paypal.com     G I'm sure you've read these letters asking you to send $1 to 6 different 
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 coming in.      C In my first week, I made about $20.00. By the end second week I had  made a total  B over $1,200.00!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing.  ? This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over 
 $36,000.00  = and it's still coming in rapidly. It's Certainly worth $6.00.   , I have spent more than that on the lottery!!      B Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works?      5 Also, make sure you print a copy of this article now,   - so that you can get the information off of it    as you need it.       R $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$      E REQUIREMENTS: You must have a confirmed paypal account. If you do not  have  < a paypal account you can go to www.paypal.com and follow the instructions  D to set up a free account. In order to place the initial $6 into your account,  F you will have to confirm your bank account with paypal (which may take a few days).  C Paypal is 100% secure and is used my millions of people world wide.       F Confirming a www.paypal.com account simply means (1) paypal will first ask you   G to confirm the email you used to sign up your paypal account by sending  you an email  E with a link for you to click to that email. As soon as you click that  link your email   D is confirmed. (2) Paypal will then make two small deposits into your bank account if you   F set up your paypal account with a checking or savings bank account. Or paypal will make  @ two small deposits to your credit card if you set up your paypal account with your   G credit card. Then after a few days (it takes up to a few days for these  deposits  E to appear in your bank account or on your credit card statement) then  after a few days  E you go back to the www.paypal.com website and sign in. Then you click 
 where it says   F this account is not yet confirmed. A screen will pop up that gives you 2 boxes to fill in.   G You then enter the numbers of the 2 small deposit amounts (two separate  2 digit numbers)  8 that were deposited to your bank account or credit card.      C Now you have a working and confirmed paypal account and can receive 	 payments.       R $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$      D [STEP 1] Send, though paypal, $1.00 to each email on the below list.      A Make the subject of the payment "Email List" and in the comments,   ) write "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST."       B What you are doing is creating a service by this - and best of all  : you are not giving your address to anyone you do not know.      6 THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!! YOU ARE CREATING A SERVICE.      = The email list...... Paypal accounts are on this email lists;        #1)brittany124@excite.com        #2)  mthall@renc.igs.net       #3) Mishavk27@aol.com        #4) nike31101@aol.com      #5) careentre7@hotmail.com       #6) swalton@tds.net        www.PAYPAL.COM      $ Subject of Payment: ***Email List***      1 Comments: ***PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.***       E [STEP 2] Now take the #1) email off the list that you see above, move  the other&nbsp;   B addresses up one (6 becomes 5 &amp; 5 becomes 4, etc) the put YOUR email address&nbsp;   ? (the one used in your paypal account) as #6) on the list.&nbsp;       G **MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS IN YOUR PAYPAL  ACCOUNT.**&nbsp;      E [STEP 3] Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as  close   G to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200  newsgroups,   G message boards, etc. (I think there are close to 32,000 groups) All you  need is 200,  E but remember, the more you post, the more money you make - as well as  everyone   else on the list! F In this situation your job is to let as many people see this letter as possible. So they  will make you and me reach!!!!      G You can even start posting the moment your email is confirmed. Payments  will  C still appear in your paypal account even while your bank account is  being confirmed.      R $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$      > ## DIRECTIONS ## HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS + MESSAGE BOARDS ##      E Step #1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own  posting.  D Simply put your CURSOR at the beginning of this letter and drag your CURSOR  E to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu.   ? This will copy the entire letter into your computer's temporary 
 memory.&nbsp;       E Step #2) Open a blank 'Notepad' file and place your cursor at the top  of the  G blank page. From the 'Edit' menu select 'Paste'. This will paste a copy   F of the letter into notepad so that you can add your email to the list.      F Steps #3) Save your new Notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
 your postings   B in different sittings, you'll always have this file to go back to.      @ Step #4) Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various newsgroups,   < on-line forums, message boards, bulletin boards, chat sites, discussions, discussion groups,   > online communities, etc. EXAMPLE: go to any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com,  G altavista.com, excite.com - then search with subjects like ?millionaire  message board?  A or ?money making message board? or ?opportunity message board? or  ?money making discussions?  G or ?business bulletin board? or ?money making forum? etc. You will find  thousands &amp; thousands   F of message boards. Click them one by one then you will find the option to post a new message.      B Step #5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message   F by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting 'Paste' from the 'Edit' menu.  G Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they  scroll  G thru the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message  button.   E You're done with your first one! Congratulations! THAT'S IT!! All you 
 have to do  E is jump to different newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang  of it,  1 it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!       B **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS AND/OR MESSAGE BOARDS YOU POST IN,  F THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**      6 That's it! You will begin receiving money within days!      @ **JUST MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS ON PAYPAL.**&nbsp;       R $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$      F ?? NOW THE WHY PART: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example).   D So then I Made $5.00 with my email at #6 on the letter. Now, each of
 the 5 persons   B who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my email at #5   E and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another  $25.00 for me,  G now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my email at #4 and only 5 
 replies each,   B I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post   F the MINIMUM 200 with my email at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I	 will make   F an additional $625.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons   F post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my email at #2 and they only receive 5 replies   C that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver  this  D message to 200 newsgroups with my email at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200   G newsgroups react I will receive $15,625.00! With an original investment  of only   C $6.00! AMAZING!! When your email is no longer on the list, you just  take latest   F posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to emails on the list,   > putting your email at number 6 again. And start posting again.      5 Your paypal TRANSACTION ACTIVITY will look like this:       G DATE: June 30, 2008 *** TYPE: Payment *** TO/FROM: From *** NAME/EMAIL: 
 Mary Jones  E GROSS: $1.00 USD *** PAYPAL FEE: -$0.33 USD *** NET AMOUNT: $0.67 USD  ***ACTUAL AMOUNTS***      G DATE: June 30, 2008 *** TYPE: Payment *** TO/FROM: From *** NAME/EMAIL:  John Canada   E GROSS: $1.00 CAN *** PAYPAL FEE: -$0.11 CAN *** NET AMOUNT: $0.89 CAN  ***ACTUAL AMOUNTS***      E The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands of people all  over the world  G are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE 
 YOU are now!!   F So can you afford $6?? And see if it really works?? I think so? People
 have said,  F what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what are the chances   A of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new 
 honest people   G who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to  give  A it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day,   4 with thousands of those joining the actual Internet.      6 Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work.      D Seriously, most people think this is a scam, but you actually do get	 thousands   D of dollars out of it, it is NOT another crazy scam, if people follow through   " with sending out $6, it works!!!!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:35:18 -0700 ( From: Lorin Ricker <lorin@locktrack.com>> Subject: Re: Help - SYSUAF and $SETUAI on UAI$_USER_DATA field8 Message-ID: <fc7rt0llet4t6vcirn2ibdemv3qessnadn@4ax.com>  M On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:34:27 -0700, Lorin Ricker <lorin@locktrack.com> wrote:   B >I'm at my wit's end trying to find & fix some buggy behavior in a@ >utility program I've written which uses the system RTL routines >$GETUAI and $SETUAI --   E Thanks to all -- I'm pursuing Hein's suggestions, plus Peter's to use J DUMP/RECORD to really see what's going on per-record in the file (should'aP thought of that; blindsighted by my own exasperation) -- These ideas really help% -- you've spread some sand on my ice.   J Re: opening SYSUAF in Pascal (or Fortran, etc) -- my utility does not openL SYSUAF directly at all -- SETUAI doesn't have a single OPEN statement in it;O open/closing SYSUAF is handled by the $GET/SETUAI interface.  My question about D logicals was "Do these RTLs open by logical name, or by using a full path/filespec?"0  N  I suspected that they'd honor the "SYSUAF" logical name, and John's advice toN "Define your SYSUAF logical and use AUTHORIZE to see if you can read/write it.K It uses the same interfaces." reminds me that this is true, which is easilye? verified.  When flailing, I don't always think to clearly!  ;-)   J Again, many thanks for your good ideas -- this really helps.  Shall I post; results (hopefully successful) as I resolve this next week?i   -- Lorin   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 15:51:35 -0800o From: frl_4@yahoo.comu$ Subject: Re: How to get a free iPod?C Message-ID: <1105055495.606161.100720@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>P   20GB and pc/mac compatible freen# http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9505348v3 not a scam go here for proof: www.freeipodguide.comP   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:40:00 -0500 3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com>a& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement8 Message-ID: <e61rt0tjsvsgtner1bpv2ropskcp5plbqn@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:43:31 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>G wrote:  N >Rela Tivo boxes have been hacked by Linux geeks who were able to add programsO >and features to the standard Tivo software, enabling, for instance FTP servicek< >so that you could copy moving to/from the Tivo and your PC.  % I know - I've done it to my own TiVosi  L >Such hackjs became popular enough that Tivo is now starting to enable those# >features in the unhacked machines.e  J I doubt there's a cause-and-effect here. But clearly TiVo saw a demand andD worked up a solution that would not get them sued into oblivion like
 SonicBlue.  O >Had Tivo chosen a more secure OS such as VMS for an embedded box, such hackerscO >would not likely have been able to penetrate the box which would have remaineds >a big black box.H  9 The security of the OS had nothing to do with the hacks. t  K My point was that none of the "DVR on Linux" (or even on Windows) solutionsiM approaches a TiVo for feature set, ease of use, ease of integration, low costi and reliability.   SteveS   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 12:47:47 -0600n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement3 Message-ID: <Y1EzO0R2rTn2@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  U In article <41DD7866.3080705@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >  >  > Steve Lionel wrote:m > G >>On 6 Jan 2005 13:38:27 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:t >> >>   >>: >>>Considering that a Tivo clone running on Linux has been  >>>around for more than a year,  >>>    r >>>a >>L >>A hard disk video recorder, maybe.  A "TiVo clone", no - not any more than7 >>Windows is a "VMS clone" because it can run programs.i >>   >>J > I hate to disagree, but EchoStar's DishNetwork has had TiVo like, Linux ! > based, DVR's for a long time...     " ..whereas the way I understood it,  @ TiVo _is_ Linux-based, and satellite TV providers are licensees.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 12:56:50 -0600m4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement3 Message-ID: <YM$MMQSLVNFr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <_NSdndMv_Prhv0DcRVn-sQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:5 > http://pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119173,00.aspP > M > Do you think that with the same amount of man-hours invested in customizingqH > Linux for the task, HP could have made VMS do the same thing for them?  E You don't need to wait for HP. Take your old peecee, and a good videoCH capture card, and install KnoppMyth, a Linux PVR built on the Knoppix CD boot distribution.   http://www.mysettopbox.tv/  " BTW, TIVO is Linux inside already.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"t& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfaL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B 	Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 13:00:27 -0600o4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement3 Message-ID: <qReuWz5k+tIc@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  n In article <r1rqt01er6s25uukucpqphel5bgbjhpjpq@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> writes:G > On 6 Jan 2005 13:38:27 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:A > 9 >>Considering that a Tivo clone running on Linux has beenl >>around for more than a year,   > L > A hard disk video recorder, maybe.  A "TiVo clone", no - not any more than7 > Windows is a "VMS clone" because it can run programs.o  L What can TIVO do that KnoppMyth can't, other than download your viewing data0 to others, or bill you every month for doing so?  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"d& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B 	Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:04:33 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>w& Subject: RE: HP/Linux Tivo replacementQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADAFF0@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>o  6 what exactly happened to SonicBlue?  (thread hijacker)   -----Original Message-----= From: Steve Lionel [mailto:Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com]=20 ( Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:40 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com&& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement     (snip)  F I doubt there's a cause-and-effect here. But clearly TiVo saw a demandH and worked up a solution that would not get them sued into oblivion like
 SonicBlue.     Stevey    ) ----------------------------------------- L The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c=L onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n=L amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent =L responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any revi=L ew, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is str=L ictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the=L  sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original =L message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio=L ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o= rders and/or instructions.L If you, as the intended recipient of this message, the purpose of which is =L to inform and update our clients, prospects and consultants of developments=L  relating to our services and products, would not like to receive further e=L -mail correspondence from the sender, please "reply" to the sender indicati=L ng your wishes.  In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 101= 05..   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:27:42 GMTs% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>D& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement= Message-ID: <OigDd.10816$by5.9145@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>a  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message M< news:1105032807.67b1675445395aa08bb2c1ee48b7b2d8@teranews... > Steve Lionel wrote: I >> A hard disk video recorder, maybe.  A "TiVo clone", no - not any more   >> thans8 >> Windows is a "VMS clone" because it can run programs. > G > Rela Tivo boxes have been hacked by Linux geeks who were able to add l
 > programsI > and features to the standard Tivo software, enabling, for instance FTP i	 > service/= > so that you could copy moving to/from the Tivo and your PC.. >uH > Such hackjs became popular enough that Tivo is now starting to enable  > thoses$ > features in the unhacked machines. >iI > Had Tivo chosen a more secure OS such as VMS for an embedded box, such t	 > hackersAH > would not likely have been able to penetrate the box which would have 
 > remained > a big black box.  L Huh??  If you have physical access to an OpenVMS machine, you can break in. > That's true for any O/S that doesn't encrypt data on the disk.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 20:48:01 GMT>. From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)& Subject: Re: HP/Linux Tivo replacement: Message-ID: <crk861$4st$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  8 In message: <e61rt0tjsvsgtner1bpv2ropskcp5plbqn@4ax.com>7   Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> writes: L >On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:43:31 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> >wrote:l >eO >>Rela Tivo boxes have been hacked by Linux geeks who were able to add programs - >>and features to the standard Tivo software,  >l& >I know - I've done it to my own TiVos  N Were any of the those the Series 2 models with the boot proms that validate an% encrypted checksum of the boot image?s    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:iL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.s   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2005 00:39:05 GMT  From: Phaeton  <spam@spam.org>( Subject: HPworld : Mark Gorham interview, Message-ID: <346419F45itk8U1@individual.net>  / 	Here is a short article about VMS in HPworld :s  4 	http://www.interex.com/hpworldnews/hpw501/news3.jsp  
 								Csabas  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------I    CSABA I. HARANGOZO   |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|   phaeton at iinet dot net dot au-J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:Y  B  Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:31:10 GMTd1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>aA Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magaziner1 Message-ID: <2mgDd.5246$oo.3754@news.cpqcorp.net>E   John Smith wrote:eH > b) "The Swift Stock Exchange has been a great partner and customer forD > years. Deutsche [Telekom] a great partner and customer for years."  A Simply typos. Should say Swiss Stock Exchange and Deutsche Brse.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:40:34 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>A Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazineo< Message-ID: <SugDd.3173$hQ6.180640@twister.southeast.rr.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message i& news:41DD8AFA.E4A923F0@teksavvy.com... > Keith Parris wrote:n >>C >> See http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/04/5775466 orO6 >> http://www.interex.com/hpworldnews/hpw501/news3.jsp >    [snip]  L > However, Gorham essentially confirms that VMS 8.2 will be announced on JanK > 18th. (Sorry, but i'll be watching the Airbus unveiling of the A380 that t > day,L > not some announcement that cache grew by 3 meg on some chip nobody wants).  I Nobody wants?  You got a mouse in your pocket?  Since when did you start t speaking for everyone?  ;)   I want one.  :)    Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________y Kenneth R. Farmer <><h& SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:44:40 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>nA Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine , Message-ID: <41DDA328.53D87F48@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote:iG > Telecommunications was also mentioned as an important market area forg" > OpenVMS later on in the article.  S Yet, on HP's web site, HP-UX is the one featured OS for telecoms, SMS handling etc.w   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:45:39 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine"0 Message-ID: <newscache$2g0x9i$me6$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <41DDA328.53D87F48@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Keith Parris wrote:H >> Telecommunications was also mentioned as an important market area for# >> OpenVMS later on in the article.e >oT >Yet, on HP's web site, HP-UX is the one featured OS for telecoms, SMS handling etc.  J Yup. I know of a company which had a product for telecoms (running on VMS)J and when the next version was to come, DEC/CPQ was ABSOLUTELY UNWILLING toI cooperate for a bid to the customer, and so they had to change to anotherkL platform only because of this. And it became HPsUX, because HP was more thanJ willing to cooperate. Unfortunately it costed more than 6 times to finallyK get half the functionality. With more cooperation of the VMS owners at thiseN time it would have been a win-win-win situation. So it got a loose-loose-loose  G Now, with VMS in HP's hands, it seems they make the same mistakes which,G caused the death of DEC and COMPAQ, and that is surprising, frustratinge and absolutely clear as mud.   -- u Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistn E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:13:06 +1030< From: "Barratt, Chris \(FMC\)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>A Subject: RE: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine P Message-ID: <2E9EAC858F94A04ABAA9955F81C1B0B9E153FB@hadaltmail.althad.sa.gov.au>  F What is the ".NET integration technology" that is being brought to the OpenVMS platform ? =20a   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]=202$ > Sent: Friday, 7 January 2005 04:34 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComR? > Subject: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazinep >=20G > See http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D05/01/04/5775466 or=20 5 > http://www.interex.com/hpworldnews/hpw501/news3.jsp, >=20$ > Some snippets I found interesting: >=20$ > "Q: Is OpenVMS growing these days? >=20? > OpenVMS has been growing for the last year. We've had four=20> > quarters of=20= > either single- or double-digit revenue growth. It's been=20i > quite exciting=20 
 > for us." >=20> > This is also the first public mention I've seen of Mark's=20 > important work=20s> > and influence beyond just OpenVMS, making changes to HP's=20 > policies that=20E > benefit HP as they help OpenVMS: "Gorham is also responsible for=20d5 > programs to grow HP revenue and improve customer=20r > satisfaction. He is the=20H > BCS (Business Critical Systems) Executive Champion for more than 70=20A > customers worldwide, the BCS Country Champion for the Nordic=20J > Countries,=20cA > and the BCS Government Segment Champion. Gorham is currently=20s > working in=20hJ > the Enterprise Storage and Servers (ESS) "War Room," helping to drive=20J > end-to-end business models and process improvements that systemically=206 > improve the worldwide business performance for ESS." >=20   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:21:42 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>sA Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazinee, Message-ID: <AaGdnXPWtvNgWkDcRVn-sQ@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:t > John Smith wrote: E >> b) "The Swift Stock Exchange has been a great partner and customerdA >> for years. Deutsche [Telekom] a great partner and customer for 
 >> years." >wC > Simply typos. Should say Swiss Stock Exchange and Deutsche Brse.o  3 I knew that....the write and editors didn't get it.l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:23:09 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> A Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazine , Message-ID: <HISdnWUmdt_JVUDcRVn-vQ@igs.net>   Barratt, Chris (FMC) wrote: H > What is the ".NET integration technology" that is being brought to the > OpenVMS platform ? >:    $ Effectively NT Affinity renamed  :-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:53:14 -05000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>nA Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World MagazinesB Message-ID: <1105062166.438087d8b28b8319cd0d65461f0814d6@teranews>  J In the interview, Gorham did have one good response with the "we have some; givernment users but If I told you, I'd have to shoot you".i    However, consider HP's web site:  C http://h71028.www7.hp.com/PublicSector/cache/83859-0-0-225-121.aspx $ Title: hospital Information System.   L It has the following text at the top "HP recommends Windows X Professional".V No mention of VMS at all, no mention of Cerner. It does talk about HP printers though.A (And yes, this is after nativating the enterprise systems pages).c    M If you go to the Telecommuniactiosn/networks section, they present a wirelessuN billing system called CMC. Runs on HP-UX, Windows and Linux. No mention of VMS based solutions.  J Fact is that over 3 years since the merger was announced, VMS has not beenN integrated into HP's web site. It is put in its own little corner with limitedQ links into it and VMS based solutions are not included on the "Real" HP web site.c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:21:44 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>uA Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazinen, Message-ID: <4vWdnWwR6rN6nUPcRVn-tw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote: G > In the interview, Gorham did have one good response with the "we havei > some= > givernment users but If I told you, I'd have to shoot you".i > " > However, consider HP's web site: >cE > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/PublicSector/cache/83859-0-0-225-121.aspxs% > Title: hospital Information System.o >o? > It has the following text at the top "HP recommends Windows XE > Professional".G > No mention of VMS at all, no mention of Cerner. It does talk about HPhD > printers though. (And yes, this is after nativating the enterprise > systems pages).s >s > F > If you go to the Telecommuniactiosn/networks section, they present a
 > wirelessA > billing system called CMC. Runs on HP-UX, Windows and Linux. Nou > mention of VMS > based solutions. >iG > Fact is that over 3 years since the merger was announced, VMS has notc > beenC > integrated into HP's web site. It is put in its own little cornere > with limitedF > links into it and VMS based solutions are not included on the "Real" > HP web site.  J If carly(tm) will be taking questions on the 18th conference, I'll ask herH why VMS has been getting the short end of the stick.   Maybe others hereL will want to ask the same.....but of course she won't stick around to answer& quetions....Davos on the G-IV beckons.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:24:08 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> A Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World Magazinel, Message-ID: <4vWdnW8R6rN1nUPcRVn-tw@igs.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E >> b) "The Swift Stock Exchange has been a great partner and customer A >> for years. Deutsche [Telekom] a great partner and customer fors
 >> years." >>G >> Let's see:..."The Swift Stock Exchange'????? SWIFT does diddley with-9 >> VMS these days, and they don't run an exchange either.5 >  > Maybe a misprint for "Swiss"?c    L Of course it was a misprint.....but like so many other things related to VMSJ this article wasn't given the attention to detail to ensure there wasn't a7 bad impression left in the eyes of the readership......7  L HP's execution is nothing but consistent with respect to VMS.....chalk it upC to yet another 'slight' in a continuous series....collect them all.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:22:40 -0800 0 From: Greg Cagle <gregc@removethisgregcagle.com>A Subject: Re: Mark Gorham interview in Interex's HP World MagazineE0 Message-ID: <10ts729tn5dh1ad@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote:  > N > Of course it was a misprint.....but like so many other things related to VMSL > this article wasn't given the attention to detail to ensure there wasn't a9 > bad impression left in the eyes of the readership......s > N > HP's execution is nothing but consistent with respect to VMS.....chalk it upE > to yet another 'slight' in a continuous series....collect them all.o  # The article was by Interex, not HP.s   -- n
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:08:16 -0500p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>i& Subject: MOSAIC questions (mime types)B Message-ID: <1105048680.affe62f43085ae45366fa6a529ef767c@teranews>  L Does anyone know how I could get MOSAIC to accept certain mime types as text and just display the source ?   H Does MOSAIC have the ability to handle "plug ins" that can be written to handle new mime types ?E   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:48:43 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 8 Subject: Re: Need help with user-written routine in SOR$; Message-ID: <rfjDd.56874$P%3.1963222@news20.bellglobal.com>t  > "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-R7QzXxcMEd1e@dave2_os2.home.ours... A > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:46:30 UTC, hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com wrote:f >, [...snip...] >oG > I've no access to my grey wall but IIRC the point to be remembered isoG > that the user routines are called by SORT/MERGE and the arguments and G > the memory holding them belong to it and _not_ the caller of the SOR$nA > routines. I would not meddle with their content in the User_xxxa > routines.a >r  F The "orange/grey walls" have been replaced with window-based cd-roms. E OpenVMS 7.2 came on one single disk while OpenVMS 7.3 came on three. oG (actually 6 if you also include the 3 disks for use with Bookreader on lK OpenVMS). The 3 disk set(s) contain much more archived material. Very cool e for working from home!  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:20:51 -0500e* From: Will Kranz <will_kranz@softhome.net>; Subject: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist LicensetA Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20050106150129.0281a570@mail.softhome.net>.  J This is a MIME-formatted message.  If you see this text it means that your9 E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages.     --=_jive-29240-1105043016-0001-2X Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-36055BE7; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitw7 X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to 7bit by courier 0.38e   Hello:J Historically I was interested in DEC cause I had a summer job programming  at 'the mill' in theK mid 80's.  Always wanted my own VAX, and purchased a 11/750 from the State $ of NH in 92.  HaveL never gotten it to boot, but try periodically.  Just recently got an MV3100  which will probablyuC draw a lot less power :-).  Decided to practice some installs with t# SIMH.  Which brings me to the first B question, is there someplace more specific to discuss SIMH issues?  H Hopefully I have a hobbyist distribution CD coming in the mail, but was  puzzled that the Hobbyist H license is only for one year.  Am I legally dead after that, or can one  re-apply on a yearly basis to 3 be valid?  Any thoughts on why its set up this way?   B If I can only find it, I have a valid license for VMS 5.0 which I   transfered to my name when I gotI the 11/750.  As a trial experiment I just found I could install my VMS50   under SIMH.  However I didn'taL understand the 'mandatory update' stuff, and ended up telling the system to  skip this.  Turns out K its on a TU58 tape.  Is there a method, script, whatever to go back and do o this update.  It looksL like a Backup saveset, can I just install it or did it have to be done when  I installed everything elseu but before I rebooted into VMS?n   Suggestions appreciated, Will     --=_jive-29240-1105043016-0001-2U Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-36055BE7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inlineh     ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 12/17/2004d  " --=_jive-29240-1105043016-0001-2--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:56:38 -0500$2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>? Subject: Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist Licensee. Message-ID: <41DD5FB6.6807.38FDD12C@localhost>  ) On 6 Jan 2005 at 15:20, Will Kranz wrote:RI > Which brings me to the first question, is there someplace more specificd > to discuss SIMH issues?   6 Yes, but people involved with SIMH "listen" here, too.  H > [...] but was puzzled that the Hobbyist license is only for one year. H > Am I legally dead after that, or can one re-apply on a yearly basis to6 > be valid?  Any thoughts on why its set up this way?   F You can re-apply for your hobbyist licenses.  By restricting the free 0 licenses, HP maintains control over the program.  H > Is there a method, script, whatever to go back and do this update.  ItI > looks like a Backup saveset, can I just install it or did it have to betH > done when I installed everything else but before I rebooted into VMS?   C I'm not sure that it can be installed later, but I have it (by the oF good graces of other comp.os.vms readers).  Contact me directly and I  can send it to you.U  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAi0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:15:15 +0000 (UTC)7 From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) ? Subject: Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist Licensee/ Message-ID: <crk9p3$ajs$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>b  n In article <5.2.1.1.1.20050106150129.0281a570@mail.softhome.net>, Will Kranz <will_kranz@softhome.net> writes:   !snip!I !Hopefully I have a hobbyist distribution CD coming in the mail, but was i !puzzled that the HobbyistI !license is only for one year.  Am I legally dead after that, or can one $ !re-apply on a yearly basis to4 !be valid?  Any thoughts on why its set up this way?  O You need to re-up every year (it is free).  I don't know _why_ it's set up thispO way, but it's not really a pain - I've re-upped for the past two years, and thee% new licenses come quickly via e-mail.U   !snip!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:16:06 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o? Subject: Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist Licensel, Message-ID: <jZKdnS9LBZxKWkDcRVn-oQ@igs.net>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:rC > In article <5.2.1.1.1.20050106150129.0281a570@mail.softhome.net>,l. > Will Kranz <will_kranz@softhome.net> writes: >o > !snip!F > !Hopefully I have a hobbyist distribution CD coming in the mail, but  > was !puzzled that the HobbyistF > !license is only for one year.  Am I legally dead after that, or can$ > one !re-apply on a yearly basis to6 > !be valid?  Any thoughts on why its set up this way? >sE > You need to re-up every year (it is free).  I don't know _why_ it's 
 > set up thisi > way,  L If, as, and when EOL comes, all the whining hobbyists are blown legally away within a year.....  K logic: Hp can say, "Your license is for a year. You got your year, now piss  off."m   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:53:11 +0000 (UTC)7 From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) ? Subject: Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist LicenseC/ Message-ID: <crkj17$cqg$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>n  R In article <jZKdnS9LBZxKWkDcRVn-oQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: !Bradford J. Hamilton wrote: !snip!F !> You need to re-up every year (it is free).  I don't know _why_ it's !> set up this !> way,t ! M !If, as, and when EOL comes, all the whining hobbyists are blown legally awayi !within a year.... !uL !logic: Hp can say, "Your license is for a year. You got your year, now piss !off." !   I Although I have seen bad things happen to VMS over the years, the largestaL portion of the damage was caused by DEC/COMPAQ; HP has been a better steward  than the previous organizations.  N Since the hobbyist license is non-commercial, it would do HP no harm to extendJ the "last" year of hobbyist eligibilty "permanently" (after VMS goes EOL - whenever that might be).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:48:52 -0500N- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>$? Subject: Re: Newbie Questions: Installation and Hobbist License B Message-ID: <1105058308.e9fc9cefb1616fe893066c3407a87653@teranews>   "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:oK > Although I have seen bad things happen to VMS over the years, the largestsN > portion of the damage was caused by DEC/COMPAQ; HP has been a better steward" > than the previous organizations.  0 Alphacide was precipitated by HP takeover talks.M And on Sept 7 2001, when HP announced it was buying Compaq, it refused to sayoL anything about VMS until May 7th 2002 when the merger was concluded, statingH it was not allowed to reveal product details. Meanwhile, HP revealed the- future or lack thereof of all other products.   H And on May 7th, not only was there the famous Stallard memo inviting VMSN customers to migrate to HP-UX at their own leasure, but HP insisted on keepingJ the very "plan of record" that Compaq had set out to kill VMS. HP has alsoM renegged on promises for EV79, as well as the porting of TruCluster to HP-UX.o  N On January 18th 2005, when VMS is allegedly going to be made available on thatL IA64 contraption, HP will have runned out of excuses to avoid mentioning VMSG in any presentations it makes. The next 6 months will be crucial to seeeJ whether HP really intends to leverage VMS or not. If HP continues the sameM plan of record and continues to ignore VMS in all marketing and presentationsh? it makes, then HP will definitely have a plan to phase out VMS.o  N Mentioning VMS on January 18th won't be enough. It will have to be a sustainedK inclusion of VMS as a product part of HP's serious portfolio at least for 6YM months before we can declare that there has been a real change at HP instyeadN; of just a passing fad because HP was forced to mention VMS.T  J Then, when HP announces it phases out IA64 in the 2007 time frame, the big question will come again.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:10:56 +1300K6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz># Subject: Re: TCP/IP mailing problem 8 Message-ID: <11art01ucjqpelf8atil7307lr3fcb0nia@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:32:08 +0000 (UTC), peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:s  r >In article <fhoot0dde7m4h70ds0eel04d3260dbh3kj@4ax.com>, Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> writes:F >>What do you mean by the latest ECO? I can't find anything later than >>ECO 2. >h >Look again. ECO 4 is current. > 1 >	ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/l  E Found it, thanks. Previously, I had done a search, but must have usedl@ the wrong key word. Using the browse option instead shows me the patch.    D Now, to see if it resolves the problem. Strange that the notes refer< to Alpha VMS, although the kit name indicates it is for VAX.   ---  Martin Hunti Systems Administratoro Fairfax New Zealand LimitedF
 Wellington New Zealand_   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:54:41 +1300T6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz># Subject: Re: TCP/IP mailing problems8 Message-ID: <bagrt0lanb0m3h66eo54p9oh1p3cs4fh6m@4ax.com>  / On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:10:56 +1300, Martin Hunto+ <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> wrote:   E >On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:32:08 +0000 (UTC), peter@langstoeger.at (Peter  >'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote: >-s >>In article <fhoot0dde7m4h70ds0eel04d3260dbh3kj@4ax.com>, Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> writes:uG >>>What do you mean by the latest ECO? I can't find anything later thanr	 >>>ECO 2.  >> >>Look again. ECO 4 is current.c >>2 >>	ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/ >nF >Found it, thanks. Previously, I had done a search, but must have usedA >the wrong key word. Using the browse option instead shows me ther >patch.  >uE >Now, to see if it resolves the problem. Strange that the notes referi= >to Alpha VMS, although the kit name indicates it is for VAX.   B I've installed ECO 4 on a test system, and it makes no difference.     ---e Martin Hunt  Systems Administratore Fairfax New Zealand Limitedi
 Wellington New Zealandt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:48:54 -0500$ From: "MIke" <lescault91967@aol.com>! Subject: This Program Realy Worksx. Message-ID: <crl0t6$1kf2$746@news.utel.net.ua>  6 MAKE LOTS OF MONEY QUICKLY, GUARANTEED 100%, NO SCAM!   T Turn 6.00 into 42,000! This is true!!.... Read this carefully to find out how!!....   $ READING THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE! cI found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of cash within weeks with only an initial investment of .00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. 6  E Before you get skeptical, just take a few minutes to finish reading. :   HERE'S HOW IT WORKS WITH THIS PLAN, YOU REALLY CAN MAKE TONS OF TOTALLY LEGAL, FAST AND EASY CASH MONEY!! IT WORKS!!! BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT CAREFULLY FOR IT TO WORK CORRECTLY AND IN YOUR FAVOR!!!! WITH ALL THE MONEY YOU ARE GONNA MAKE, YOU WILL SOON GET EVERYTHING YOU'VE ALWAYS DREAMED OF!!!!    ALL YOU DO IS... All you do is send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands.) No catch, that was it . So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured, what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and 6.00, right? Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I f checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!    AND THEN GUESS WHAT... Then I invested the measly 6.00. Well, GUESS WHAT!!... Within 7 days, I started getting money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about 25. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over 1,000! In the third week I had over 10,000 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over 42000, and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth 6. and 6 stamps. By the way, I have spent more than that on the lottery in the last month!! Let me tell you how  this works and most importantly, why it works.... also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, So you can get the information off of it, as you need it.   ) SO LET'S GET STARTED AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS    STEP 1:  Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on eash piece of paper, "PLEASE PUT MY NAME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Also, be sure to include your name and address. Now, get 6 U.S. $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope, to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address email , and Z a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!    STEP 2 :  1 Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: V  7 #1 John Christensen 5446 Santa Barbara Sparks, NV 89436r/ #2 Randall Hines 22 Stature Dr. Newark DE 19713t7 #3 Mike Sharrer 921 West State St. Coopersburg PA 18036 6 #4 Travis Montgomery 2211 Elmers Lane Norfolk NE 68701: #5 James Adair the third 22 Over Rd. Feasterville PA 19053> #6 Michael Lescault 123 Rhode Island Ave. Pawtucket, RI. 02860   STEP 3:< Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list.    STEP 4: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. If you do not live in the U.S. or there is a foreign address, you must put an international stamp on your envelopes. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. ( I think there are close to 24,000 groups in all.) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make!!     - DIRECTIONS FOR POSTING TO NEWSGROUP BULLETINSo STEP 1: You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put you cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this letter. Then select 'copy' from the edit menu. G This will copy the entire letter into the computer's temporary memory. t   STEP 2: Open a blank 'notepad' or word processor file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.    STEP 3: Save your new notepad file as a *.txt file. If you want to do your postings in different sittings, you'll always have this file to fo back to. n   STEP 4: Use your Internet provider and search engines to find various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions).   eSTEP 5: Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by higlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, and this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group. Then click the post message button. You're done with your first one! i     Congratulations... ) THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang of it, it will only take about 30 seconds for each posting!!       ** REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! ----BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**----- That's it! t  You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use , as long as the postal service will deliver it.   . *JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT*   WITH 200 POSTINGSt Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies ( a very low example). So then I made 5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5, and only 5 persons repond to each of the original 5, that is another 25. Then those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4, and only 5 relies to each, and I will bring in an additional125! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, and I will make an additional 625! OK, now here is the fun part... Each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2, and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me 3125!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1, and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react, I will receive an amazing 15625! e  0 With an original investment of only 6! AMAZING!      DO IT OVER AND OVER4When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another 6 to names on the list, putting your name at #6 again. Then start posting again. That's it! Do you realize that thousands of honest people just like you all over the world are joining the Internet and reading these articles everday? So can you afford 6 and see if it really works?? I think so..     People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money?" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users who are joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday? So, are you willing to give it a try? Estimates are about 20,000 to 50,000 new bulletin board users everyday, with thousands of those joining the Internet itself. ---Remember please play FAIRLY! This ensures a huge circle of wealth that grows with the Internet audience!!! Everyone benef its!!! Remember To Send The Six Envelopes To The Above Addresses, In Order To Create The Legal Service. At first I was scared to try this, but once I research it, I found that it is totally legal. When you send the six envelopes out, you create a service, a legal service. The Internet audience is expanding all the time. The audience is like an equity stock on the stock market, continuously going up. If you still think this is a fraud, take a few minutes to check it out, then.... you can start raking in the  cash!! a    . THIS CAN WORK IF WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER!!!!   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:24:31 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100: supported under VMS 7.3?$ Message-ID: <crkhbe$1eq$1@online.de>  3 In article <6KkV15yd9JNs@eisner.encompasserve.org>,h0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   / > If it is not in the SPD, it is not supported.o   Unless it is an oversight.  D > You have been in this newsgroup long enough that I presume you areI > quite familiar with the difference between "supported" and "will work".D  H Yes.  However, since most machines, including closely related ones, fromD the same time frame are still supported, I'm curious as to why it isD not, if indeed it is really not supported (as opposed to being just ! missing from the SPD by mistake).    > > What about 8.2?a > F > If an older system is not supported in some version, it is extremely/ > unlikely* to be supported in a newer version.:  H Of course---this is assuming that it is or should be supported in 7.3-2.  A > The only people running systems as old as the ones you describe-B > are likely to be VMS hobbyists, who do not buy support contractsC > anyway, so whether a given box is supported or not is immaterial.i  D To the folks responsible for the support, of course, but not to the " hobbyists with such machines.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:42:37 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>t6 Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100: supported under VMS 7.3?B Message-ID: <1105054333.4103fd4288bb1148bdb70599a6466960@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:hJ > Yes.  However, since most machines, including closely related ones, fromF > the same time frame are still supported, I'm curious as to why it isE > not, if indeed it is really not supported (as opposed to being justt# > missing from the SPD by mistake).0  M It wasn't a mistake. "they" know what machines I run and specifically removede, those from the suported list :-) :-) :-) :-)  L "they" were probably told to cut their qualification budget. "they" probablyK looked at statistics of how many machines were on support contracts and the K ones generating the fewer support dollars got thrown out. That is the way Ia see it.n   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:38:51 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100: supported under VMS 7.3?$ Message-ID: <crklmq$5k4$1@online.de>  1 > > If it is not in the SPD, it is not supported.  > G > Normally one would have to assume this was true. However, the VMS SPDrO > lists discontinued machines as well (and the last version supported, althoughiG > not always correctly). The VAXstation 3100 isn't in that list either.o  B Right, which is one reason why I was thinking that it might be an F oversight that it is not mentioned at all (the other is the fact that + very similar machines are still supported).d   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 20:16:27 -0800- From: kaycee@kaycee.net $ Subject: Re: VMS and digital camerasB Message-ID: <1105071387.829185.35860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Forrest Kenney wrote:g > > D > >         Your preaching to the wrong folks, the engineers are not thevG > > ones who need to be convinvced.  The business case needs to be mader to2 > > Mark Gorham and Rich Marcello and those folks. >aB > Problem is that one needs to have a vision in order to push such project foriF > an OS that seems to have been relegated to a backroom box processing databaseD > requests. And I don't think many poeple have a confidence that the real+ > decision makers have such vision for VMS.L >NA > The hope is that you guys will concuct the right drivers during 
 coffee breakseA > and let them loose for pilot projects, at which point some realw customers willG > come forth with an immediate business case for those pilot ones to be 
 supported.F My VMS 8.2 IA64's seem to have usb support.  i have not researched it,F but i plugged in my jump drive and backed up my source code on it.  itD looks like a disk drive to me.  i doubt my digital camera would show up...but i have not tried it. ? i also have used the sony mavica's since their first FD5 floppycE version.  cool camera, i have to borrow it from my wife all the time.yC i always get relegated to the older camera and she keeps the latestA mavica.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2005 13:07:22 -0600-4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)! Subject: VMS ready laser printer?@3 Message-ID: <NnSACp5PWB6V@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J I'm looking for an INEXPENSIVE b/w laser printer for connecting to my homeK office network. Everything in the mass market stores these days seems to be K PC/USB only unless you buy an adapter. I want something that my VMS systemssL can use. Something that understands PCL and maybe even PostScript? Something with an ethernet port included.   H What's the current equivalent of the old standard Laserjet III / IV with6 built in JetDirect? And it doesn't have to be from HP!  I BTW, has VMS integrated HP Laserjet support yet so you don't have to rolle4 your own forms libraries for "standard" HP printers?    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfdL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B 	Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:00:29 GMT=* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>% Subject: Re: VMS ready laser printer?b5 Message-ID: <060120051446068338%paul.anderson@hp.com>u  > In article <NnSACp5PWB6V@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Kaplow* <kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD> wrote:  G > I'm looking for an INEXPENSIVE b/w laser printer for connecting to my F > home office network. Everything in the mass market stores these days4 > seems to be PC/USB only unless you buy an adapter.  @ Since not everyone connects their printer to a network, internalA network cards are options or available on higher-priced versions.v  > > I want something that my VMS systems can use. Something thatG > understands PCL and maybe even PostScript? Something with an ethernet  > port included.  E For PostScript and PCL, how about the LaserJet 1320n for about $500? e6 I'm not sure there are any PCL-only HP laser printers.  F > BTW, has VMS integrated HP Laserjet support yet so you don't have to; > roll your own forms libraries for "standard" HP printers?e  F If you're referring to PCL, there's no such library.  DCPS, of course,9 handles PostScript printers with its formatting features.n   Paul   -- w  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering-   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:21:03 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>w% Subject: Re: VMS ready laser printer?g, Message-ID: <jZKdnS5LBZxFWkDcRVn-oQ@igs.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote:eG > I'm looking for an INEXPENSIVE b/w laser printer for connecting to mytF > home office network. Everything in the mass market stores these daysE > seems to be PC/USB only unless you buy an adapter. I want something0G > that my VMS systems can use. Something that understands PCL and maybeh< > even PostScript? Something with an ethernet port included. >2E > What's the current equivalent of the old standard Laserjet III / IVh= > with built in JetDirect? And it doesn't have to be from HP!t >eF > BTW, has VMS integrated HP Laserjet support yet so you don't have to; > roll your own forms libraries for "standard" HP printers?8    C I have an old Texas Instruments Microlaser LJIII/Postscript printerfD connected via a parallel port back through an Emulex terminal serverH w/printer port (I think....it's been ages since I actually looked at how; it's cobbled together (maybe it's a serial interface.....).y  J Brother makes some good inexpensive laser printers that may do the job forL you. Go to the local Staples and get one....bring it back no questions asked if it doesn't.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.013 ************************