0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 08 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 16      Contents:! Re: Basic virtual memory question ! Re: Basic virtual memory question ! DECwindows window manager problem - Re: InfoServer scribe/CD-R keys ever surface? - Re: InfoServer scribe/CD-R keys ever surface?  Re: Laptop hard disk upgrade$ Re: Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! Re: MOSAIC questions (mime types) - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line  Real Election Reform Re: Samsung! Re: Samsung! Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Sun shocka - take 9  Re: Sun shocka - take 9 2 TCPIP SMTP definite problem sending large messages Re: VMS ready laser printer? Re: VMS ready laser printer?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 07:24:48 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>* Subject: Re: Basic virtual memory question? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-UG7xXqpsHvdC@dave2_os2.home.ours>   ; On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:32:54 UTC, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel"  ! <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com> wrote:    > B > "Rich Alderson" <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote in message* > news:mddhdlsr9bu.fsf@panix5.panix.com...3 > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > > N > > > What prevents me from giving a 200 meg PGFILQUO to a username and have aJ > > > process created that then does a MALLOC of 200 megabytes on a 16 meg
 > Microvax
 > > > II ? > > " > > Only your innate good taste... >  > LOL  >  > John Reagan wrote: > "Intelligence. :-)G > As long as you have a large enough page file and a good book to read, N > you can listen to your system page its brains out.  It should work however." >  > LOL  > I > But... In the replies I have read on the topic I seem to be missing the K > distinction between virtual memory address space and instantiated memory. N > That MALLOC might perform reasonably depending on implemenation details. Now1 > if you had suggest CALLOC, now that would hurt.  > J > I mean, it could just be just fine application design. You know, say 200I > byte member records for a town band with 100 members stored in a simple M > array indexed by their 7 digit local phone number. So you are only going to K > touch 100 pages or so, but you need space for 200MB. Perfectly fine! :-). I > Ok, I jest some, but the is very powerful to not to have to worry about E > storing dense data, but to be able to be very sparse when and where  > appropriate.   Hein  @            if that was a subtle way of saying "let VMS take the F strain', I couldn't agree more :-) It's why I love the Virtual Memory  System OS.     --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:59:55 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> * Subject: Re: Basic virtual memory question= Message-ID: <%WPDd.183566$8G4.125021@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    John Reagan wrote:   > Beach Runner wrote:  > F >> The size of page file quota has a limit in physical space. I don't H >> remember the exact size at this second.  Virtual page count has been  >> made obsolete.  >>L >> If Working sets grow larger than page file quota, the process will crash. >> This is common in sorts.  >> > J > Not working set, virtual memory limit.  Your working set quota and page # > file quota aren't really related.  > I > If you exceed your page file quota, I wouldn't say "crash".  You might  K > get a PGFILQUO exceeded message or you might just get an ACCVIO when you  J > try to allocate more stack but you don't have enough page file quota to G > back it up.  If you can make a process "crash" (ie, disappear), then  , > you've found a bug that you should report. > c > Yes, if a working set grows larger than pagefilequota, (common during sorts) the process crashes.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:45:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: DECwindows window manager problemB Message-ID: <1105176920.4b7d68860e94e9f81739259b1cc2e27a@teranews>  J In the DECWindows MWM window manager menu, I change border colours. I thenJ choose "apply options" and it prom,pst me to confirm I need to restart the' window manager. Window manager restarts   L However, instead of using the settings from decw$user_defaults, it uses only those in decw$system_defaults.  I If I STOP/ID the DECW$MWM process, and then use the "Window Manager" menu T option from the session manager, the window manager starts and uses my own settings.  % Is this normal/documented behaviour ?   G What is interesting is that when from the window manager menu, i choose 7 RESTART or APPLY OPTIONS, it seems to have 2 processes:    DECW$MWM and DECW$MWMEX.  G What does a "restart" operation involve ? Is this done though a command N procedure or through the executable image which creates a clone of itself as a detached process before dying ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:19:11 +0100 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: InfoServer scribe/CD-R keys ever surface?7 Message-ID: <41dfddcf$0$42375$cd19a363@news.wanadoo.nl>    jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:  > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > 0 > > [...] InfoServer tape / CD-R functions [...] >  > G > [...] There was an expectation that the licenses would be released to B > freeware, but although permission was apparently obtained, [...]  4 How does licensing work for InfoServer 150's anyway?   The reason is, I own one.   H But I have (mistakenly thinking it was more like a VAX than it actually 9 was) destroyed the harddrive contents, so it is unusable.   B Am I in my right to use the machine, when I manage to restore the F harddrive, I mean, does the InfoServer in itself constitute a "single I user" or "N-user" license, like HP9000 machines, or do I need a separate   license?  G I'm willing to believe that additional options, like the Tape and CD-R  ( functions require an additional license.  7 Oh, and can someone maybe help me to a harddrive image?    -- Alex.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:24:18 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: InfoServer scribe/CD-R keys ever surface?0 Message-ID: <newscache$hc50ai$97g$1@news.sil.at>  g In article <41dfddcf$0$42375$cd19a363@news.wanadoo.nl>, Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> writes: C >Am I in my right to use the machine, when I manage to restore the  G >harddrive, I mean, does the InfoServer in itself constitute a "single  J >user" or "N-user" license, like HP9000 machines, or do I need a separate 	 >license?   G AFAIK, the license is with the machine. So no need to proof that to the G software. Install the basesoftware from CD to harddisk and you're done. G There are no interactive users on an InfoServer and the max connections B are configurable per service. I don't think it is a license issue.  H >I'm willing to believe that additional options, like the Tape and CD-R ) >functions require an additional license.   E Yup. And this was done with additional "license" CDs which look empty J for a directory tool but provide the required pieces for the Infoserver toJ enable the functionality (when once used with "UPDATE FUNCTIONS" from it).  8 >Oh, and can someone maybe help me to a harddrive image?  H The CD2 (or sometimes/maybe CD1) of the VMS ConDist CDs was bootable forI an infoserver (or at least could be used to upgrade with "UPDATE SYSTEM")    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:36:23 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Laptop hard disk upgrade , Message-ID: <seKdnYlrGaVyYELcRVn-jw@igs.net>   check your mail    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:13:45 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> - Subject: Re: Merry Christmas & Happy New Year 4 Message-ID: <41dfb25a$0$22728$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:   P > Subject says it all. May this season bring you lots of joy, lots of good food,K > celebration with family and friends and some happy thoughts about VMS :-)     * To you too, and to all my VMS friends too.   D. --  3 ~ L'hopital du logiciel ~  www.softwarehospital.org 0     190 avenue St Exupry, 31400 Toulouse France2   Phone: +33(0)5 6120 7761  GSM: +33(0)6 7983 6418   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 04:57:20 EST ) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) * Subject: Re: MOSAIC questions (mime types)! Message-ID: <YGXdy4ULkRgH@wvnvms>   r In article <1105048680.affe62f43085ae45366fa6a529ef767c@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:N > Does anyone know how I could get MOSAIC to accept certain mime types as text > and just display the source ?   M 1. Create an entry for each mime type in the file "MAILCAP."  Set the command 3    part of each entry to "mosaic-internal-present".    or  H 2. Add an additional HTSetConversion call for each mime type to the file(    HTINIT.C in [.LIBWWW2].  For example:  N   HTSetConversion("text/plain", "www/present", HTPlainPresent,	1.0, 0.0, 0.0);  8    where 'text/plain' is replaced with the desired type.  J I am not currently located where I can test the above, but from looking at1 the code I believe either will do what you want.    J > Does MOSAIC have the ability to handle "plug ins" that can be written to > handle new mime types ?   G No, but a "MAILCAP." file can be used to define commands to execute for 
 new types.  E Note that Mosaic does not provide a "MAILCAP." file, but I believe it D will properly handle a "standard" format one.  See the Mosaic readme for where to place it.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:49:21 +0000 (UTC)? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> 6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line9 Message-ID: <41DFD6B3.1C8A0981@encompasserve-or-this.org>    Ken Fairfield wrote: >   ? > It looks like I need to do two SEARCHs to accomplish what I'm @ > after, or READ the file after the search and write it back out  > after skipping the empty line.  " Maybe SORT is the right tool here:  $ $ sort/spec=sys$input sysuaf.lis a.a /field=(name=b1, pos:1, siz:1)& /field=(name=username, pos:22, siz:15)" /field=(name=privs, pos:60, siz:6)G /cond=(name=junk, test=((username eq "Username       ") or (b1 eq ""))) - /cond=(name=normal, test=(privs eq "Normal"))  /omit=(cond=junk)  /omit=(cond=normal) 
 /key=username   A And if you're only interested in a couple of fields you could add A the following so the output contains just the Username and Privs:    /data=username /data=privs    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 07:10:57 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line3 Message-ID: <9b5i6zhgvxzr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <crnghi$stq$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  > Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes in article <crn3ni$gsu$1@news01.intel.com> dated Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:50:25 -0800: 9 >>$ SEARCH SYSUAF.LIS str1,str2/Match=NOR/Out=output-file  > ? >>It looks like I need to do two SEARCHs to accomplish what I'm @ >>after, or READ the file after the search and write it back out  >>after skipping the empty line. > W > $ pipe SEARCH SYSUAF.LIS str1,str2/Match=NOR | SEARCH SYS$INPUT: ""/key=(pos:1,siz:1)   F Yes, that is an example of possible syntax for performing two SEARCHs.  B My guess is that Ken was concerned about CPU time rather than wear' and tear on the carriage return key :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:51:50 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line+ Message-ID: <41E00FA5.17320025@comcast.net>    Graham Burley wrote: >  > Ken Fairfield wrote: > >  > A > > It looks like I need to do two SEARCHs to accomplish what I'm B > > after, or READ the file after the search and write it back out" > > after skipping the empty line. > $ > Maybe SORT is the right tool here: > & > $ sort/spec=sys$input sysuaf.lis a.a  > /field=(name=b1, pos:1, siz:1)( > /field=(name=username, pos:22, siz:15)$ > /field=(name=privs, pos:60, siz:6)I > /cond=(name=junk, test=((username eq "Username       ") or (b1 eq ""))) / > /cond=(name=normal, test=(privs eq "Normal"))  > /omit=(cond=junk)  > /omit=(cond=normal)  > /key=username  > C > And if you're only interested in a couple of fields you could add C > the following so the output contains just the Username and Privs:  >  > /data=username
 > /data=privs    Yeah!   H I used /SPECIFICATION for the "first" time recently at work: I needed toE extract stuff from a Classic Radnet system control file into a format D that DCL could use (V7.3, still has the "short strings" limitation).G Great stuff, but a bit obscure. Opportunity for improved documentation.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:42:37 -0800  From: "D Flint" <david@qssp.com> Subject: Real Election Reform 0 Message-ID: <_tadnUZz77dzi33cRVn-ow@comcast.com>  H What do you think about this and have you seen this popular site before?   This was taken from a web site http://www.afvr.org   0 How can we safeguard the integrity of each vote?F Today we have technology that protects our financial systems, militaryK weapon systems and national intelligent organizations. These proven systems C can be combined in a way to issue serialized equipment to authorize L personnel for the dates and hours needed. Each would have their own level ofJ clearance to perform the tasks they are responsible for. Each action wouldF be recorded and verified with a higher levels of network authority andK again, only available during the hours and dates needed. Ballots would only H be printed after the voter has cast their vote but before they leave theK booth. If the voter made a mistake he could put the printed ballot into the I booth's scanner for correction. All ballots scanned at the booth would go I into a shredder and the voter could then correct his ballot on the screen E and reprint his ballots. Once the voter accepts the printed ballot he K submits his vote on the screen and takes the two ballots to the depository. I So two computer generated, serialized and scanner perfect receipts of the G completed ballot are printed.* One for the voter and one for the public I record. This would eliminate all the extra ballots that could be used for K unauthorized voting as well as any question of voter intent.  Each piece of G equipment involved in the issuing of the receipt would be linked to the I serial# of that ballot and an electronic document would be generated that E exactly matched the two printed receipts. So the voter themselves has I validate the printed ballots, keeping one for themselves, while the other J electronic time-stamped document is deposited into an optical scanner usedK as a secure depository. This second scanned count which should always match J the electronic count. This paper ballot could also be used for recounts ifJ needed. The voter could use the receipt to inquire about their vote in theD future. The stuffing of the ballot box or "finding ballots" would beI eliminated.  With this system, if you find a ballot, you have to find the E voter that cast that ballot too. This is not so in any of the current J systems in place today nor have we ever heard such a system ever proposed.   http://www.afvr.org    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 07:57:28 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: Samsung! 3 Message-ID: <imn3GcEUUmx6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41DF5205.A8E62AC7@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:E > I wonder if HP can fall back on Samsung to keep building Alpha CPUs 1 > until the Itanic is raised and put to rights...   + Why fall back. Isn't IBM building the EV7x?   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little?         temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- A         Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:45:13 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Samsung! ) Message-ID: <41E00E19.AA83AE@comcast.net>    Bob Kaplow wrote:  > b > In article <41DF5205.A8E62AC7@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:G > > I wonder if HP can fall back on Samsung to keep building Alpha CPUs 3 > > until the Itanic is raised and put to rights...  > - > Why fall back. Isn't IBM building the EV7x?   A If Itanic cannot be salvaged, does IBM have what it would take to E continue Alpha until VMS completes the X86-64 port that would then be  needed to save VMS?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 07:54:17 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file3 Message-ID: <YTN0yHYykclM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <hDGDd.68228$P%3.2360044@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: J > Hey, I've committed the EDT keystrokes to memory so long ago that it is - > almost impossible to learn anything new :-)   I Ditto. I've been using the same keypad for editing since about 1977 on my L Heathkit H11 running RT-11 and KED. Then EDT on RSX, then EDT on VMS and nowJ TPU on VMS. I made the switch from EDT to TPU back in 1993 and barely ever noticed a difference.   J While I'm sure there is a way to do it, the only thing I still use EDT forJ is to replace multiple <CR> in a file with one (or two). And I use TECO to5 fix files that were FTPed in binary instead of ASCII.     1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little?         temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- A         Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:38:32 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9, Message-ID: <PJ-dnRwFUZDsY0LcRVn-uw@igs.net>   Rob Young wrote:C > In article <l7-dnZQxqvPnQUPcRVn-ow@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock"  > <peacock@simconv.com> writes:  > G >> it's for help in converting from VMS, not to VMS.  (Interesting that F >> Sun isn't far behind VMS in the perception of being a legacy, phase3 >> it out, system, at least with the people I met.)  > 	 > Really?  >  > Shocker.  News At 11.  > C > Sun has been in major decline for 3 years now (1), where have you  > been? 4 > It is easy to move from one Eunuchs to another, it@ > isn't a surprise that Sun is setting (that and Linux/Windows).    K All the more reason to market VMS to "lock-in" new customers who get hooked   on VMS reliability and features.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 10:28:35 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)   Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 93 Message-ID: <s0rwbSJApCyt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1105157930.51e316e2181df978f4b4dea0862bf273@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:R >>         Sun has been in major decline for 3 years now (1), where have you been? > M > New sales may have been hurt but the .com bomb, but one important metric is  > installed base.   D 	They were an 18 Billion dollar company fiscal year ended June 2001.D 	Today they are a 11 Billion (plus) dollar company.  There are a lot= 	of ways you can dress up and talk up a company and Scotty is @ 	an absolute master.  But reality sets in, stock takes a tumble, 	etc., etc.    	Next.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:39:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: TCPIP SMTP definite problem sending large messages B Message-ID: <1105176580.42acb6b542ec19fcdbca586a038e8a31@teranews>  & VAX VMS 7.2, TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 2.  I If I send emails that contain attachements through my TCPIP Services SMTP > server with the TCPIP$SMTP_LOG_LEVEL set to 2, they fail with:  P  8-JAN-2005 03:50:36.41: next open file _$2$DKA200:[SYS0.TCPIP$SMTP]050107172618' 95_TCPIP$SMTP-20601205.TCPIP_BIKE;1(75) H smtp_sender_close shutdown R0 status = -1, errno = 54, vaxc$errno = 8412  / Printing debug_level 2, Domains and recipients:  Domain: domain.com.au *    Recipient address: <user@domain.com.au>#    Domain part:       domain.com.au     Local part:        user9    Address Status:    Not done, not delivered. (Requeued)   M 8412 is: %SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed. E If I check the system while the message is being sent, it indicates a ( connection to the correct remote system.   -----------------   M Now, if I set TCPIP$SMTP_LOG_LEVEL to 5 , messages consistently get delivered D sucessfuly. (and generate a huge log file and lots of disk activity)  N For example, send a .JPG image, it fails and gets requeued. I STOP MAIL, STARTN MAIL after having set the logical to "5" and when the requeud job executes, it get delivered.    No problems with small messages.   --------------------------    N Since this runs as a symbiont, it is a bit harder to figure out how quotas etcG apply. The  symbiont runs under SYSTEm. But when it starts to deliver a E message, does that run under the username of the queue entry (such as , TCPIP$SMTP), or does it run under "SYSTEM" ?    I Since increasing loging solves the problem, it makes it hard to debug the / problem that occurs with normal logging levels.     N So I guess I now have to do a TCPTRACE of the link to see what really goes on.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 07:47:23 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)% Subject: Re: VMS ready laser printer? 3 Message-ID: <TjFABX43KaS9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <ecptt05khv39gvhtkvn3s0q3qoi4532rm6@4ax.com>, JBloggs@acme.com writes: F > On 6 Jan 2005 13:07:22 -0600, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob > Kaplow) wrote: > L >>I'm looking for an INEXPENSIVE b/w laser printer for connecting to my homeM >>office network. Everything in the mass market stores these days seems to be M >>PC/USB only unless you buy an adapter. I want something that my VMS systems N >>can use. Something that understands PCL and maybe even PostScript? Something! >>with an ethernet port included.  >>J >>What's the current equivalent of the old standard Laserjet III / IV with8 >>built in JetDirect? And it doesn't have to be from HP! >>K >>BTW, has VMS integrated HP Laserjet support yet so you don't have to roll 6 >>your own forms libraries for "standard" HP printers? >  > What's your budget?     J Like so many other things, no specific budget, but less $$$ is better than	 more $$$.   6 > I spent some $$$ for a HP4000TN (w/ JetDirect card) < > some eight years ago.  Froogle suggests you might get one ? > nowadays for ~$600-$300+.  probably without toner cartridge.    H I've actually thought about checking the used / reconditioned market for something like this.    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little?         temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- A         Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:15:16 GMT 3 From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme> % Subject: Re: VMS ready laser printer? @ Message-ID: <oGTDd.723$C52.321@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>  D Paul Anderson knows what he is talking about.  Go Postscript. Don't F waste your time on PCL.  DCPS is one of those wonderful pieces of VMS F that "just works" !  We use it on dozens of LJ, by hundreds of users, 	 everyday.   H Check the compatibility list in DCPS and then hunt down a used LaserJet H with builtin JetDirect (ethernet).  I would only buy from a "reputable" H source, that gives at least a 90 day warranty.  Ask if all feed rollers  have been replaced.    jp       Bob Kaplow wrote:   L > I'm looking for an INEXPENSIVE b/w laser printer for connecting to my homeM > office network. Everything in the mass market stores these days seems to be M > PC/USB only unless you buy an adapter. I want something that my VMS systems N > can use. Something that understands PCL and maybe even PostScript? Something! > with an ethernet port included.  > J > What's the current equivalent of the old standard Laserjet III / IV with8 > built in JetDirect? And it doesn't have to be from HP! > K > BTW, has VMS integrated HP Laserjet support yet so you don't have to roll 6 > your own forms libraries for "standard" HP printers? >  > 3 > 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" ( > 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<M > Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf N >     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org > D > 	Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.016 ************************