0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 17      Contents: 4000/705a Fails to startup> Re: AST routine and C language va_count, va_start, va_end, etc Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo # Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo # Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo  Re: Laptop hard disk upgrade Microsot kills XP on Itanic  Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic  Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic  Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic P New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface: se0"P Re: New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface:  Re: Samsung! Re: Samsung! Re: Sun shocka - take 9  Re: Sun shocka - take 9  TFTP logging question   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 15:32:27 -0800 + From: williams.dan@gmail.com (Dan Williams) # Subject: 4000/705a Fails to startup = Message-ID: <26c11a64.0501081532.205f5841@posting.google.com>   F I have a 4000/705a that won't power up. It is stuck on E on the statusC code and nothing is output from serial port. It was working when it B was turned off (2 days ago). Any ideas what could of caused this ?   Thanks Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:28:49 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>G Subject: Re: AST routine and C language va_count, va_start, va_end, etc - Message-ID: <41e065d4@duster.adelaide.on.net>   # I'd like to reactivate this thread:    Mark Daniel wrote:A > I would like to use the C langauge va_count() in a function to  G > distinguish between direct and AST use of the function.  For example:  > * >   myFunction (int a1, int, a2, int a3) { >      int  argcount;  >      va_count (argcnt) >      if (argcnt == 3) { % >         /* direct call behaviour */  >      }
 >      else { " >         /* AST call behaviour */ >      } >   }  > K > The idea being with all direct calls three arguments are always supplied  4 > but with an AST only the one (the user parameter). > + > Is this usage of va_count() valid?   TIA.   I I have subsequently discovered that va_count() often reports an argument  C count of 4 (for the above example).  That is, it often reports the  H maximum number of arguments ever directly called plus one (I've checked F through the code for obvious call error).  This is always in user AST G delivery mode and the only explanation that springs to mind is when an  D AST routine calls it directly.  I cannot explain the four arguments 
 otherwise.  C Can anyone offer an explanation for this behaviour or describe how  A va_count() works (for the Alpha platform in this case if that is  1 relevant - I see the macro uses a builtin)?  TIA.   H PS. Any opinions on whether the HP ITRC fora are better than c.o.v. for % technical queries? ("duck and cover")    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:53:37 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> # Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette 0 Message-ID: <bL2dnVEtT4lMJX3cRVn-iQ@comcast.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote:   ) >>From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms % >>Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette ' >>Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:19:57 -0500  >>     >> >  >  >    >  >>Wayne Sewell wrote:  >> >>     >>, >>>>From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> >>>>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ' >>>>Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette ( >>>>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:21 -0500 >>>> >>>>         >>>>< >>>>"Jeff Cameron" <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote in message0 >>>>news:BE0078F5.3A9C%JCam90502@jcameron.com... >>>> >>>>         >>>>H >>>>>What is the accepted etiquette for the comp.os.vms board concerning9 >>>>>advertising commercial software for OpenVMS systems?  >>>>>  >>>>>            >>>>> K >>>>I would suspect it is officially discouraged, but it is infinitely more L >>>>appropriate then the recent 'young men' and piramid scheme 'but this one+ >>>>works' topics, and various other rants.  >>>>M >>>>It will be  just one more ignore for some and a possibly welcome reprieve  >>>>for others.  >>>> >>>> >>>>         >>>>Q >>>Just be aware that potential customers may be pissed off, especially if you go R >>>overboard with it.  For instance, I wouldn't buy anything from Island ComputersR >>>if they were the only vendor on earth.  They have been bombarding the newsgroup( >>>with incessant advertising for years.	 >>>        >>> . >>And they've been exceeding helpful at times. >>S >>We're all in this together.  It would be best if we all were pulling in the same  R >>direction.  Possibly Island could have been helpful when you were trolling ebay  >>for some parts?  >>     >> > O >Why is Island the only vendor who is allowed to advertise here in comp.os.vms?  > . >Lots of us have vms-related products to sell. > - >Lots of us have contributed to the newgroup.  > * >Lots of us have been helpful on occasion. > N >Yes, we are all in this together.  All of us care about the future of vms and$ >want to provide vms-only solutions. > P >If Island is allowed to use the newsgroup for sales and marketing, all the rest' >of us should also be allowed to do so.  > O >Either no one should be allowed to advertise, or everyone should be allowed to  >advertise.  >  >WayneP >===============================================================================O >Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com < >http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   P >===============================================================================Q >Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."  >    >  Wayne,  C Some large percentage of the postings on this group have little or  F nothing to do with VMS.  In an unmoderated news group there is no way C other than social pressure to enforce any rules.  Anybody can post  , absolutely anything here and some people do!  G I think very few people would have any problem with someone posting an  H announcement for a VMS related product.    If anyone does object he can H flame the poster or refuse to buy the product.  Posting daily or weekly G plugs for your product would probably have rapidly diminishing returns  F but just announcing that  "DWIM 5.3"  will ship to customers February E 1st and orders will be accepted starting Monday does little harm and   might even be useful.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:23:06 -00006 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <41e0412c$0$14263$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  L "Graham Burley" <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> wrote in message3 news:41DDD19E.19EA2815@encompasserve-or-this.org...   > Maybe tomorrow, maybe someday. > # > Some useful links available here:  > A > http://www.encompasserve.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/3411.1.HTML  > E > "o  Timothy Stark (of TS-10 VAX Emulator fame) reported bringing an  > Alpha C > emulator along to the point where it could run SRM.  Timothy also 
 > mentions he 6 > found two Alpha emulators, SimOS (from Stanford: see > http://simos.stanford.edu/D > ), and SimpleScalar (see http://www.simplescalar.com/), during his > research. % > o  Virtutech Simics Alpha simulator 7 >    http://www.virtutech.com/products/archs/alpha.html  > o  SimCore/Alpha: : > http://www.yuba.is.uec.ac.jp/~kis/SimCore/functional.htmG > o  SMTSim from UCSD: http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/users/tullsen/smtsim.html . > o  AINT from University of Colorado Boulder:> >    https://systems.cs.colorado.edu/DistributedSoftware/Aint/A > o  The 2003 VMS L&T SIG tapes contained Alphaahb4, an Alpha CPU  > emulator."  I There is also M5 which apparently is able to boot an OS (rather than just F run images), they claim to have booted TRU64 http://m5.eecs.umich.edu/   Alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:06:04 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo, Message-ID: <deadnc7h09O7oH3cRVn-ig@igs.net>  B http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/01/07/HNfiorinashowsoff_1.html    Fiorina shows off HP's '05 wares' CEO touts easily-afforable technologies    By Nancy Weil, IDG News Service  January 07, 2005  F LAS VEGAS - The "digital revolution" is all about providing users withH easy-to-use affordable technologies and products that help them to shareH their lives with others through media, Hewlett-Packard (HP) Chairman andI Chief Executive Officer Carly Fiorina said Friday in a keynote address at 2 the International Consumer Electronics Show (CES).  J Joining Fiorina were musician-fashion icon Gwen Stefani, showing off an HPB digital camera she designed, and singer Vanessa Carlton, promotingG "personalized tattoos," which are downloadable art linked to particular H songs and used to decorate the HP-branded iPod. DreamWorks Animation SKGJ Chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg was on hand to sing HP's praises as a business partner.  H Fiorina did offer hints at news to come this year, saying that she wouldD provide details in April at the National Association of BroadcastersD conference about a digital platform HP has developed to help contentK providers such as movie studios and TV networks transfer content from their  archives into digital format.   H The keynote also featured a video of work going on in HP labs, includingJ development of a coffee table with a screen built into the top that can beH used to view city maps and to put together puzzles and play games. UsersK will run their fingers over the map areas to move from street to street and F likewise will move their fingers across the table top to hook togetherI puzzles or move game pieces. A timeline for the debut of that product was 
 not provided.   H HP also is working with Orca Interactive on IPTV (Internet Protocol TV),L which has been a hot CES topic, Fiorina said, but gave no further details on
 that project.   K Also, this year, HP will complement its TV offerings by releasing 17 new TV 3 and home theater projection products, Fiorina said.   J "We don't just OEM someone else's TV and slap a logo on it," Fiorina said,K adding that HP-developed technologies will be central to the new TVs, which ' will roll out in time for the holidays.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:35:26 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>, Subject: Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo= Message-ID: <pu2dnWj-JMriO33cRVn-vw@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Smith wrote:    ...   K > "We don't just OEM someone else's TV and slap a logo on it," Fiorina said   H What a concept!  Too bad she didn't apply it to her enterprise computer / operations while there was still time to do so.   E Then again, perhaps only consumer products are considered central to   HP's future, such as it may be.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:26:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatooB Message-ID: <1105244164.0f3214e5d2e0294307e2d1f2da2ccf68@teranews>   Bill Todd wrote:F > Then again, perhaps only consumer products are considered central to! > HP's future, such as it may be.   C Carly comes from the .com era, where she headed Lucent into massive 8 unsustainable growth. (which almost bankrupcted Lucent).  M Right now, US companies are seeing an opportunity to regain markets that have N moved to Japan: consumer electronics. There is a new wave of products (such asJ ipod and hdtv) where US companies are on an even keel with the rest of theR world because there is no established market leaders for this new/reborn industry.  J Carly is probably not interested in enterprise computing because this is aK boring, soldid, slow growth industry, and she probably realises she doesn't A have the right competence at her disposal to compete against IBM.   J So, her .com pedigree pushes her to steer HP towards the markets that haveL some potential for big growth, even if those might not be sustainable in theL long term. And don't forget that as a slave of Microsoft, HP needs to producT products that will re-enforce's Microsoft's vision for the home electronics markets.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:12:05 -0500% From: "don" <LakeGators@hotmails.com> % Subject: Re: Laptop hard disk upgrade 0 Message-ID: <TbqdnbR_UIsGo33cRVn-3Q@comcast.com>  J I have used the products from CMS Products with good success.  The have a F hardware/software tool set that includes a PCMCIA card interface that I performs a copy of your old drive to the new drive before you install it  @ into the laptop.  It is trivial and fast to take their approach.      ? Their URL looks a lot like http://www.cmsproducts.com/index.htm       @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41DF53AC.E24D3E9C@comcast.net...  > Folks, > J > I was wondering if someone who's been through this would correspond withJ > me off-line (how to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious, but I'd alsoA > recommend using the Comcast address since I get so much spam at 
 > Earthlink).  > H > I bought this machine last year near this time used from a company outI > east. It's a ThinkPad T20 and only has a 5GB hard drive. Naturally, I'm = > looking for bigger without replacing this machine just yet.  > F > The "how-to" I'm looking for is, of course, getting this hard disk's > contents onto the new device.  >   > Any help would be appreciated. >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:) > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:04:18 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Microsot kills XP on Itanic, Message-ID: <dP2dndoHw4smoX3cRVn-3g@igs.net>  < Itanic to be high-cost low-volume chip until Intel kills it.  L Shoulda kept Alpha - no porting costs, no 3 years of delays in pushing aheadI with important new features the VMS engineers could have been working on.     < http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/01/07/02NNitanium_1.html   Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium< Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin   By  Joris Evers  January 07, 2005  L Marking the death of Itanium within workstations, Microsoft has said it willG cease offering a version of Windows XP for Intel's Itanium 2 processor.   @ The move comes after several hardware providers ceased producingJ workstations with the chip. It essentially signifies the end for Itanium 2D in Windows-based workstations and comes after major hardware vendors2 abandoned the 64-bit chip for use in workstations.  L Going forward, Microsoft will focus on processors with 64-bit extensions forL use in workstations, a company spokeswoman said. After several delays, finalK versions of Windows for 32-bit processors with 64-bit extensions are due in  the first half of this year.  L "Microsoft believes Windows for Itanium-based systems is a stronger offeringI in the high-end server market," the spokeswoman said. "For the mainstream E server and workstation markets, however, we believe we can best serve K customer needs with Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition and Windows XP G Professional x64 Edition." Microsoft uses "x64" to indicate versions of . Windows for processors with 64-bit extensions.  K Workstations are high-performance desktop computers often used by designers K and engineers, as well as in video production environments. Processors with J 64-bit extensions, as opposed to the Itanium processor, are x86 processorsJ that are capable of 64-bit computing and can also run applications written1 for the 32-bit processors used in most PCs today.   I Intel supports Microsoft discontinuing Windows XP for Itanium, officially . called Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003.  E "We're aware of Microsoft's plans and agree with their priorities and L direction," said Erica Fields, an Intel spokeswoman. "The workstation marketD really has never been a main focus for the Itanium. Xeon with 64-bitG capabilities really provides the best overall price performance for the  general workstation market."  D Hewlett-Packard, the last remaining major workstation vendor to sellJ Itanium-based workstations, stopped selling the systems in September 2004,E citing less than favorable market conditions. HP had been selling two L Itanium 2-based workstation models since April 2003. Dell pulled its Itanium* workstations off the market before HP did.  K Because nobody was selling the software, Microsoft's retiring of Windows XP J for Itanium is no great surprise, said Nathan Brookwood, principal analyst at research company Insight 64.   K "It has been increasingly obvious over the past year that Itanium is moving I more and more into the mid-to-high-end server space and away from low-end & servers and desktops," Brookwood said.  I 64-bit processors offer users greater computing power, as systems process F more data per clock cycle and use more memory. Advanced Micro Devices'D Athlon64 and Opteron processors, as well as Intel's Xeon processors,$ currently support 64-bit extensions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:26:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on ItanicB Message-ID: <1105218986.17db671e0a4a1674d9b8f795e18e4df5@teranews>   John Smith wrote:   > Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium> > Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin  M The article talks as if Microsoft was pulling out of IA64 completely. Another N article I read a few days ago mentioned only the XP professional edition being. widthdrawn, and that XP Server would continue.  < Any clarification on what Microsoft has actually announced ?  L No matter what the reality is, if the press talks about as if MS was pullingJ out of IA64 alltogether, the image of a sinking ship will be strenghtened.  M With IA64 now relegated to high end , low volume systems, it is in fact worse  off than Alpha and Pa_Risc.   J And if HP killed Pa Risc and Alpha because they were not "high volume, lowK cost, commodity, industry standard", then it must kill off IA64 and move to 	 the 8086.   I 2005 may be the year when they announce the death of IA64 with a few more 8 itarations currently in the works coming out until 2007.  N IA64 is probably already dead in the eyes of the media, and such a tailspin inJ image may not be survivable for IA64. Carly should know that image is very> important. She pays some hairstylists big bucks for her image.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:11:28 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>( Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic* Message-ID: <41E076B1.6080709@prodigy.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Smith wrote:  >   >>Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium> >>Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin >  > O > The article talks as if Microsoft was pulling out of IA64 completely. Another P > article I read a few days ago mentioned only the XP professional edition being0 > widthdrawn, and that XP Server would continue. >   G Although I haven't seen the pricing, I suspect XP Server for Itanium is = even lower volume and more expensive than the Itanium 2 chip.   > > Any clarification on what Microsoft has actually announced ? > N > No matter what the reality is, if the press talks about as if MS was pullingL > out of IA64 alltogether, the image of a sinking ship will be strenghtened. > O > With IA64 now relegated to high end , low volume systems, it is in fact worse  > off than Alpha and Pa_Risc.  > L > And if HP killed Pa Risc and Alpha because they were not "high volume, lowM > cost, commodity, industry standard", then it must kill off IA64 and move to  > the 8086.  > K > 2005 may be the year when they announce the death of IA64 with a few more : > itarations currently in the works coming out until 2007. > P > IA64 is probably already dead in the eyes of the media, and such a tailspin inL > image may not be survivable for IA64. Carly should know that image is very@ > important. She pays some hairstylists big bucks for her image.     --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:37:40 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic, Message-ID: <bKmdnemKXuRzBX3cRVn-hA@igs.net>  
 CJT wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >> John Smith wrote: >>" >>> Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium@ >>> Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin >> >>< >> The article talks as if Microsoft was pulling out of IA64G >> completely. Another article I read a few days ago mentioned only the E >> XP professional edition being widthdrawn, and that XP Server would  >> continue. >> > F > Although I haven't seen the pricing, I suspect XP Server for ItaniumB > is even lower volume and more expensive than the Itanium 2 chip.  J http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricing.mspx  F Minimum version on Itanic is the Enterprise version @ $3,999 USD list.L Datacenter version only available via hardware/software combination purchaseJ from companies like HP, Unisys, etc... or other 'qualified' integrators at vastly inflated prices.   F So on a low-end Itanic, the o/s costs about the same as the server andI several times the cost of the cpu itself. But on the bright side, viruses  are include free of charge.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2005 11:56:30 -0800 $ From: tillmanj@gmail.com (Tillman J)Y Subject: New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface: se0" < Message-ID: <73330236.0501081156.ebabcbf@posting.google.com>   Howdy folks,  F I dug up an extra RZ25 disk for my vaxstation 4000/60 a few months agoE and so I decided to install OpenVMS 7.3 via the hobbyist program (I'm A running NetBSD on the other RZ25, currently disconnected). All my E licenses and software have arrived, and I've successfully completed a B basic installation of OpenVMS 7.3 via the serial console. I should" note that I'm very new to OpenVMS.  ? I ran in trouble when I tried to configure tcpip 5.1. I've been  following the tcpip portion ofF http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html even though? it's for a simh installation -- it seemed relatively close if I E mentally translated device names. In any case, I was able to manually C configure my tcpip core and enable a few clients and services using F @sys$manager:tcpip$config. When I attempt to start the tcpip service I? get the message "error defining interface: se0". I get the same ? message when rebooting (I've enabled tcpip startup in the local  startup file).  D The ESA0 interface (as the >>> dagger prompt calls it in the sho devB output) worked fine under NetBSD. I have the little switch flippedD over to AUI, and I'm using an AUI->RJ45 transceiver to connect it toA my switch. The transceiver link light goes green, which is a good  sign.    My modparams.dat contains:   ADD_GBLPAGES=10000 ADD_GBLSECTIONS=100  ADD_NPAGEDYN=800000  ADD_NPAGEVIR=800000  MIN_SPTREQ=6000   A Am I missing anything obvious? Failing anything obvious, is there C someone that wouldn't mind giving me some assistance off-group, say  via email or IRC or the like?   	 - Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:30:34 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: Re: New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface:  ( Message-ID: <opska1480bzgicya@hyrrokkin>  C On 8 Jan 2005 11:56:30 -0800, Tillman J <tillmanj@gmail.com> wrote:    > Howdy folks, > H > I dug up an extra RZ25 disk for my vaxstation 4000/60 a few months agoG > and so I decided to install OpenVMS 7.3 via the hobbyist program (I'm C > running NetBSD on the other RZ25, currently disconnected). All my G > licenses and software have arrived, and I've successfully completed a D > basic installation of OpenVMS 7.3 via the serial console. I should$ > note that I'm very new to OpenVMS. > A > I ran in trouble when I tried to configure tcpip 5.1. I've been   > following the tcpip portion ofH > http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html even thoughA > it's for a simh installation -- it seemed relatively close if I G > mentally translated device names. In any case, I was able to manually E > configure my tcpip core and enable a few clients and services using H > @sys$manager:tcpip$config. When I attempt to start the tcpip service IA > get the message "error defining interface: se0". I get the same A > message when rebooting (I've enabled tcpip startup in the local  > startup file).   Did you run  @sys$manager:tcpip$config 	 	1 - core  		2 Interfaces   > F > The ESA0 interface (as the >>> dagger prompt calls it in the sho devD > output) worked fine under NetBSD. I have the little switch flippedF > over to AUI, and I'm using an AUI->RJ45 transceiver to connect it toC > my switch. The transceiver link light goes green, which is a good  > sign.  >  > My modparams.dat contains: >  > ADD_GBLPAGES=10000 > ADD_GBLSECTIONS=100  > ADD_NPAGEDYN=800000  > ADD_NPAGEVIR=800000  > MIN_SPTREQ=6000  > C > Am I missing anything obvious? Failing anything obvious, is there E > someone that wouldn't mind giving me some assistance off-group, say  > via email or IRC or the like?  >  > - Tillman        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:04:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Samsung! B Message-ID: <1105210446.730dfd847c6a3ac5360dcee370410695@teranews>   David J Dachtera wrote: C > If Itanic cannot be salvaged, does IBM have what it would take to G > continue Alpha until VMS completes the X86-64 port that would then be  > needed to save VMS?   K IBM didn't design Alphas, it was just a contractors called upon to FAB some L chips according to the customer's designs. So HP could go to IBM any day andL provide it with the Alpha masks and ask IBM to fab a few thousands chips. Or: ask it to FAB some PA-Risc, or any other prorpretary chip.  C HP could go to any chip manufacturer and pay it to FAB some alphas.   K Anbd with the MHz clock race much slowed down, minor speed bumbs enabled by M having better manufacturing process might give Alpha some life for a few more & years without any serious engineering.  T Heck, they may be able to raise the clock rate on existing already fabbed EV7 chips.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:46:17 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Samsung! + Message-ID: <41E070C8.17D43436@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: E > > If Itanic cannot be salvaged, does IBM have what it would take to I > > continue Alpha until VMS completes the X86-64 port that would then be  > > needed to save VMS?  > M > IBM didn't design Alphas, it was just a contractors called upon to FAB some N > chips according to the customer's designs. So HP could go to IBM any day andN > provide it with the Alpha masks and ask IBM to fab a few thousands chips. Or< > ask it to FAB some PA-Risc, or any other prorpretary chip. > E > HP could go to any chip manufacturer and pay it to FAB some alphas.  > M > Anbd with the MHz clock race much slowed down, minor speed bumbs enabled by O > having better manufacturing process might give Alpha some life for a few more ( > years without any serious engineering. > V > Heck, they may be able to raise the clock rate on existing already fabbed EV7 chips.  & I'll take that as a conditional "yes".   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:26:08 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9, Message-ID: <QuidnTK1LcpUrn3cRVn-3Q@igs.net>   Rob Young wrote:G > In article <1105157930.51e316e2181df978f4b4dea0862bf273@teranews>, JF . > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Rob Young wrote: D >>>         Sun has been in major decline for 3 years now (1), where >>> have you been? >>D >> New sales may have been hurt but the .com bomb, but one important >> metric is installed base.  E Just like the mythical 411,000 VMS systems installed for the past 10+  years??     E > They were an 18 Billion dollar company fiscal year ended June 2001.   J Which was at the end of Y2K conversion sales bulge and the early stages ofK the .bomb session - which both inflated revenues and began to eat at server - sales for *all* major *server* manufacturers.       4 > Today they are a 11 Billion (plus) dollar company.  L It's funny in a way but Sun's decline, in part, came to be precisely becauseK Sun was so successful at selling their servers to most of the .emerging com L companies. The only problem was that when the .com's became .bombs there wasI a huge influx of basically new equipment in the liqudation market at fire H sale prices. How could Sun, or indeed just about anyone sell new serversJ into a market glutted with almost new gear? All the major vendors were hit by this same phenomenon.     >  There are a lot> > of ways you can dress up and talk up a company and Scotty isA > an absolute master.  But reality sets in, stock takes a tumble,  > etc., etc.  K Just like hiding your company's computing sales weakness behind a veneer of ! toner and printer ink cartridges.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2005 01:36:34 GMT  From: Phaeton  <spam@spam.org>  Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9, Message-ID: <34bg52F4400riU1@individual.net>  , Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote:t > In article <1105157930.51e316e2181df978f4b4dea0862bf273@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Rob Young wrote: S >>>         Sun has been in major decline for 3 years now (1), where have you been?  >>  N >> New sales may have been hurt but the .com bomb, but one important metric is >> installed base.  L >        They were an 18 Billion dollar company fiscal year ended June 2001.L >        Today they are a 11 Billion (plus) dollar company.  There are a lotE >        of ways you can dress up and talk up a company and Scotty is H >        an absolute master.  But reality sets in, stock takes a tumble, >        etc., etc.    >        Next.  $ >                                Rob  9 	Next ? The next question is : where is Andrew Harrison ?  	( Duck, cover and run... :-) 
 								Csaba   J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------I    CSABA I. HARANGOZO   |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|   phaeton at iinet dot net dot au J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   1  Everything is a differentiation of one infinity.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:09:41 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: TFTP logging questionB Message-ID: <1105250342.637942b1a81342b4c5dd99186ada25ce@teranews>  ! TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 2, VAX-VMS   L Someone connect via UDP to port 69, triggering the creation of a TFTP serverG process. Because this was UDP, my router didn't log the inbound "call".   I The log file for the TFTP service has no indication/information about any 5 activity and source of the request and what was done.   E The doc doesn't seem to indicate there are any logicals to trace TFTP  activity. (is there ?)  N I've never actually used TFTP yet, but had it configured in case I neeed it to load a modem etc.   L Does the fact that nothing was logged to the log file indicate that no valid transation was made ?   G Also, the TFTP serve shoudl really have a flag/"logical to restrict all M transactions to a single directory, removing any full file specification that N may come in the request to ensure that it only has access to teh one directory and not the whole system.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.017 ************************