0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 18      Contents:F Re: avoiding "file currently locked by another user" in MAIL> COMPRESSF Re: avoiding "file currently locked by another user" in MAIL> COMPRESSF Re: avoiding "file currently locked by another user" in MAIL> COMPRESS# Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo * Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available Re: TFTP logging question P [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerfaP Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itn  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:10:22 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)O Subject: Re: avoiding "file currently locked by another user" in MAIL> COMPRESS 0 Message-ID: <newscache$9hl1ai$0ck$1@news.sil.at>  w In article <crqrke$m6g$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: D >Sometimes it is useful to COMPRESS one's mail file.  However, if a D >message arrives while this is happening, it bounces with the "file H >currently locked by another user" error.  Is there a way to avoid this?I >I suppose one could copy the mail file, compress that, copy it back and  J >then purge (and delete MAIL.OLD), but a) that seems rather inelegant and H >b) if this is a way to avoid the error, why isn't COMPRESS implemented G >this way (I know that COMPRESS uses temporary files and renaming, but  ; >apparently this doesn't prevent the error from happening).   F I use MX (even for local mails) just to avoid this error (after I someJ kind of forced Matt to catch this situation in the LOCAL agent of course).  H Complain again to VMS engineering (what I did at least twice in the lastL decades) but I think VMSmail is mostly unimportant for VMS enineering now...  	 Good luck    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:26:17 -0500: From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com>O Subject: Re: avoiding "file currently locked by another user" in MAIL> COMPRESS , Message-ID: <41e13f55$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:crqrke$m6g$1@online.de... D > Sometimes it is useful to COMPRESS one's mail file.  However, if aD > message arrives while this is happening, it bounces with the "file* > currently locked by another user" error.   I would suggest " -  rename of mail.mai to mailX.mai! - go into mail and set file mailX 
 - compress" - rename/new/log mailX to mail.maiG - if a new mail showed up during this, then use CONVER/MERGE mail.mai.1  mail.mai.2/stat/excep=mail.xxxI (i believe there will be one unimportant exception for a 'master record'.  key value 3 or so)  E However, if you are scripting this anyway then I would use a straight  convert "         $rename mail.mai.* -> .old6         $convert/fast/stat/fdl=see-below  .old -> .new         $rename .new -> .mai8         $IF F$PARSE ("mail.mai",, "VERSION").GT.1 THEN -9                 $CONVERT/MERG/STAT mail.mai;-1 mail.mai;0   E     - Don't use the silly default file extension that comes with mail  (compress). G       Do something reasonable based on the actual = expected file size. I       Unfortunatly this will need multiple FDL's, or FDL's constructed on  the fly.C       I suspect that for most system a set of 3 - 5 different FDL's C       will be adequate. Pick size ALQ size based on 50% of current?        For example:7                 Small users:  ALQ = 24, DEQ = 24, BKS=3 8                 Modest:       ALQ = 240, DEQ = 60, BKS=6                 720,240,12;                 Medium:       ALQ = 2400, DEQ = 720, BKS=12                  7200,2400,24>                 Big time:     ALQ = 24000, DEQ = 12000, BKS=24    < (I know that COMPRESS uses temporary files and renaming, but< > apparently this doesn't prevent the error from happening).  L The mail help is somewhat misleading. When it says the CONTENTS is copied it means just that.H The file is not copied, the contents is handed over to calleable convert which lock the file for write.D I just would seem worth it to spend eingineering resources on today.H A compromise might be to resurrect, an clean up the MAILCOMPRESS commandC that used to (VMS V5.0) ship in SYS$EXMAPLES. It took a username as @ argument, to help system manager doing this stuff for all users.   hth, Hein.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:57:46 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)O Subject: Re: avoiding "file currently locked by another user" in MAIL> COMPRESS ) Message-ID: <05010910574607@antinode.org>   : From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com> > [...]  > I would suggest $ > -  rename of mail.mai to mailX.mai# > - go into mail and set file mailX  > - compress$ > - rename/new/log mailX to mail.maiI > - if a new mail showed up during this, then use CONVER/MERGE mail.mai.1   > mail.mai.2/stat/excep=mail.xxxK > (i believe there will be one unimportant exception for a 'master record'.  > key value 3 or so) > [...]   A    Of course, the same thing happens when you get SMTP mail while E exiting MAIL with auto-purge, as I've mentioned here in the past more C than once.  It seems to be a more general problem with SMTP message 	 delivery.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:36:58 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo( Message-ID: <opskb73w06zgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:35:26 -0500, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>   wrote:   > John Smith wrote:  >  > ...  > I >> "We don't just OEM someone else's TV and slap a logo on it," Fiorina    >> said  > K > What a concept!  Too bad she didn't apply it to her enterprise computer   1 > operations while there was still time to do so.  > H > Then again, perhaps only consumer products are considered central to  ! > HP's future, such as it may be.  >  > - bill  K Apparently HP is not content competing with their fractional percent margin G on Windows boxes against DELL's 8%, now they want to compete with the    JapaneseJ and Koreans with TVs.  That strikes me as extremely foolhardy, unless they* build them in China and slap a logo on it.   --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:42:53 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available - Message-ID: <87ekh3e6te.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  @ > Care to elaborate on that? Disk drives are designed to surviveD > certain G-force (impact) levels. What part of "package volleyball"1 > suggests proper handling of fragile components?   A > (By the way, "package volleyball" within UPS terminals has been < > documented by the media, and has even been admitted by UPS? > itself. So, I will discount any claims of "anecdotal" on that 	 > score.)   0 Can you still get `Shock Watch' units for disks?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:01:58 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: TFTP logging question0 Message-ID: <newscache$93l1ai$0ck$1@news.sil.at>  r In article <1105250342.637942b1a81342b4c5dd99186ada25ce@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:" >TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 2, VAX-VMS   You know that ECO4 is current ? P You know that on VAX you are 1-2 TCPIP versions behind (TCPIP V5.5 on VMS V8.2).B Why then make an additional gap by not installing the latest ECO ?  M >Someone connect via UDP to port 69, triggering the creation of a TFTP server H >process. Because this was UDP, my router didn't log the inbound "call".  D Why can someone get to your TFTP server through your router at all ?$ Don't map ports which you don't use.  J >The log file for the TFTP service has no indication/information about any6 >activity and source of the request and what was done.  ) Thats bad. What's with the OPERATOR.LOG ?   F >The doc doesn't seem to indicate there are any logicals to trace TFTP >activity. (is there ?)   ' Have you checked for TCPIP$TFTP_TRACE ?   O >I've never actually used TFTP yet, but had it configured in case I neeed it to  >load a modem etc.  J I have it enabled (on TCPware) too, but I load my clients via MOP so it isB still unused. And it can also be used for dumping (just like MOP).  M >Does the fact that nothing was logged to the log file indicate that no valid  >transation was made ?     Don't know,   H >Also, the TFTP serve shoudl really have a flag/"logical to restrict allN >transactions to a single directory, removing any full file specification thatO >may come in the request to ensure that it only has access to teh one directory  >and not the whole system.  J I assumed that the logical TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT means, one can only access thisJ tree, BUT I HAVEN'T CHECKED. And alas, TCPIP still includes no TFTP client8 (like TCPware does) so I can't easily check right now...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jan 2005 06:34:19 -0800 $ From: tillmanj@gmail.com (Tillman J)Y Subject: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerfa = Message-ID: <73330236.0501090634.3490c0ee@posting.google.com>   E (My apologies for the strangely formatted reply. Google groups claims C that it can't retrieve the article when I attempt to reply, so I've C had to cut n' paste to create a reply out of a new posting. It also B won't allow a subject beginning with "Re:" if it thinks it's not a
 reply. Sigh.)   C > > I ran in trouble when I tried to configure tcpip 5.1. I've been " > > following the tcpip portion ofJ > > http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html even thoughC > > it's for a simh installation -- it seemed relatively close if I I > > mentally translated device names. In any case, I was able to manually G > > configure my tcpip core and enable a few clients and services using J > > @sys$manager:tcpip$config. When I attempt to start the tcpip service IC > > get the message "error defining interface: se0". I get the same C > > message when rebooting (I've enabled tcpip startup in the local  > > startup file). > 
 > Did you run  > @sys$manager:tcpip$config  >  1 - core  >    2 Interfaces   
 Howdy Tom,  B Yes, that's how I created the existing interface definition. I wasC closely following the tcpip configuration portion of the URL I gave  above.  + Some other infomation that might be useful:    $ sho dev e /full D Device ESA0:, device type unknown, is online, network device, device is a    template only. F    Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0 E    Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                       [SYSTEM]<    Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W F    Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 512    $ tcpip  TCPIP> show interface B Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          Send     MTUF LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                   0             0    4096 # TCPIP> show configuration interface  Interface: LO0>   IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST: Interface: SE0>   IP_Addr: 192.168.23.5      NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 192.168.23.255  	 - Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:31:03 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itn ( Message-ID: <opskcdd1zvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  C On 9 Jan 2005 06:34:19 -0800, Tillman J <tillmanj@gmail.com> wrote:   G > (My apologies for the strangely formatted reply. Google groups claims E > that it can't retrieve the article when I attempt to reply, so I've E > had to cut n' paste to create a reply out of a new posting. It also D > won't allow a subject beginning with "Re:" if it thinks it's not a > reply. Sigh.)   ; You may wish to switch to the free service from Uni Berlin,  news.individual.net  > D >> > I ran in trouble when I tried to configure tcpip 5.1. I've been# >> > following the tcpip portion of K >> > http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html even though D >> > it's for a simh installation -- it seemed relatively close if IJ >> > mentally translated device names. In any case, I was able to manuallyH >> > configure my tcpip core and enable a few clients and services usingK >> > @sys$manager:tcpip$config. When I attempt to start the tcpip service I D >> > get the message "error defining interface: se0". I get the sameD >> > message when rebooting (I've enabled tcpip startup in the local >> > startup file).  >> >> Did you run >> @sys$manager:tcpip$config >>  1 - core >>    2 Interfaces >  > Howdy Tom, > D > Yes, that's how I created the existing interface definition. I wasE > closely following the tcpip configuration portion of the URL I gave  > above. > - > Some other infomation that might be useful:  >  > $ sho dev e /full F > Device ESA0:, device type unknown, is online, network device, device > is a >    template only. = >    Error count                    0    Operations completed 	 >       0 2 >    Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC
 > [SYSTEM]1 >    Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot  > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W < >    Reference count                0    Default buffer size	 >     512  > 	 > $ tcpip  > TCPIP> show interface ; > Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive  > Send     MTUH > LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                   0               > 0    4096   F This is what I see on a similar configuration.  I am using static IPs, HERMES> tcpip sho int C                                                             Packets D Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive            Send     MTU  M   LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                   0             0       4096M   ZE0        xxx.xx.xxx.xxx  255.255.255.240         10044           288       1500  9 So it appears that what you are missing is something like   (   SE0        192.168.23.255  255.255.0.0  = which looks like you didn't configure the interface correctly   % > TCPIP> show configuration interface  > Interface: LO0@ >   IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST: > Interface: SE0@ >   IP_Addr: 192.168.23.5      NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: > 192.168.23.255 >  > - Tillman        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.018 ************************                                                                                                                              %w~=M/KL#R9#ih'P:<onlܣOf55foS/7,sQYHU΁r|l6oyry_ Zf	;*
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