0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 11 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 21      Contents:> Re: AST routine and C language va_count, va_start, va_end, etc= Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images 1 Re: does Digital Networks not want any business?? 0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS# Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot P Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i5 Re: Help - SYSUAF and $SETUAI on UAI$_USER_DATA field  Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic  Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic  Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic  Re: More on Tru64  Re: More on Tru64  Re: More on Tru64  Re: More on Tru64  Re: More on Tru64 * Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations. Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations) Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305? ) Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305? ) Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305? ) Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305? ) Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305? ) Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305? < NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey& Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey- Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  VTfm new release 2.3-2  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:05:25 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>G Subject: Re: AST routine and C language va_count, va_start, va_end, etc - Message-ID: <41e31164@duster.adelaide.on.net>    FredK wrote:9 > "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> wrote in message ) > news:41e065d4@duster.adelaide.on.net...  > % >>I'd like to reactivate this thread:  >>J >>I have subsequently discovered that va_count() often reports an argumentD >>count of 4 (for the above example).  That is, it often reports theI >>maximum number of arguments ever directly called plus one (I've checked G >>through the code for obvious call error).  This is always in user AST H >>delivery mode and the only explanation that springs to mind is when anE >>AST routine calls it directly.  I cannot explain the four arguments  >>otherwise. >>D >>Can anyone offer an explanation for this behaviour or describe howB >>va_count() works (for the Alpha platform in this case if that is3 >>relevant - I see the macro uses a builtin)?  TIA.  >> >  > N > They are (IIRC) parameters used by the AST call chain for kernel and specialL > kernel mode AST routines.  I believe that the call format is made the sameH > for all types of AST's to make stack cleanup (for exceptions?) easier. > / > So I believe you should expect this behavior.  > K > You might use the va_arg stuff, and use one of the parameters as a 64-bit M > signature to tell the difference for the origin of the call.  So your local > > call might be foo(x, LOCAL_CALL_SIGNATURE); where you defineH > LOCAL_CALL_SIGNATURE as a fairly unique 64 bit value (like say, an odd& > valued specific 8 byte text string).  E Thanks Fred.  The concensus is that an argument counting approach is  E simplistic, not representative of how ASTs are really delivered, and  1 just plain unreliable.  I've revised my appraoch.   K http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=783620    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:28:35 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> F Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images: Message-ID: <ZYFEd.21906$b64.370566@news20.bellglobal.com>  K Now I guess you'll need someone with a Multinet support contract to submit   this to PSC.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html  5 "Rich Faust" <faustrj@fastspot.net> wrote in message  = news:1105161607.318914.156700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... G >I installed TCPIP V5.4-15 on my system and SWS V2.0 displays images of G > all sizes with no difficulty.  The large image files that were giving I > me problems have fixed length 512 byte records.  I didn't change any of G > my config files before or after installing TCPIP Services for OpenVMS F > so I can only conclude the problem has something to do with MultiNet" > V5.0 or how I had it configured. > Rich Faust > OpenVMS Hobbyist > Richmond, TX >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 14:37:55 -0800 From: majikas@dnpg.com: Subject: Re: does Digital Networks not want any business??B Message-ID: <1105396675.593504.75790@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  F Please feel free to contact me regarding any Presales support for DNPGC (aka Digital Networks) products. I can also serve as first point of A contact to get you in touch with the appropriate sales or support F engineering people, and vectors to legacy products. My updated contact information is below:    Dennis Majikas Pre-Sales Technical Support  Digital Networks	 DNPG, LLC  20 North Wentworth Avenue  Londonderry, NH 03053  USA Office: +1 603.216.6026  Fax: +1 603.216-0778  Toll Free: +1 877-341-9594 x6026 Cell: +1 978.239.9610  Email: majikas@dnpg.com  Web: www.dnpg.com  _______________________________    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:58:59 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> 9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <slrncu5ra4.ao0.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   8 On 2005-01-10, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:J > Nope.  Not really.  At the "memory" level, the compilers generate prettyN > good code even without byte/word instructions.  Sure, it can help some code,K > and it can make the code more compact - but with no work, or only a small N > amount of effort - most code could be made to run well even without it.  TheI > real reason for byte/word instructions was at the device driver level - / > which wasn't solveable at the compiler level.   H I was under the impression that this was what sparse space was for. I'veB never had trouble with sparse space in device drivers, but it is aG serious problem for user-level code that expects to be able to directly  manipulate hardware.  M At my current place of employment, we're running a FORTRAN app that migrated  E from a VAX-750 UNIBUS environment to its current EV56 PCI and VMEbus  J environment largely unchanged; it could not make the leap to Alpha during L the EV4 era precisely because it expects to be able to directly access some C key pieces of hardware. Sparse space would have required completely  reworking the app.     J > When Alpha was designed, it assumed that most devices would be smart DMAM > devices.  Just look at the first Alpha - the Cobra.  Or look at the CRAM IO H > interface that we designed.  But it turned out that PIO wouldn't die.   A My personal gripe about the CRAM IO interface was that it used an G undocumented pin-bus sequence for handshaking: a store conditional that G was not preceded by a load locked. Consequently, it was not possible to G put a mailbox on (for example) a TURBOchannel card because that mailbox  could not perform flow control.  --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 
 Version: 3.12 H GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++   ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:24:20 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <8oCEd.5450$795.1730@news.cpqcorp.net>  C Sparse space requires source level knowledge of either how to do it F (address/data swizzling) or explicit use of system calls that hide theL knowledge, perhaps at a performance cost.  But the use of sparse space can'tJ be handled by the C compiler (for example) or even Macro-32 transparently.  E So yes.  This is what I am saying.  Many drivers needed rewriting, or I reworking for Alpha.  But the sources were controlled by the vendors - so I that meant working with the vendors for Alpha-specific source changes for  their drivers.    2 "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message- news:slrncu5ra4.ao0.rivie@Stench.no.domain... : > On 2005-01-10, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:L > > Nope.  Not really.  At the "memory" level, the compilers generate prettyJ > > good code even without byte/word instructions.  Sure, it can help some code, G > > and it can make the code more compact - but with no work, or only a  small K > > amount of effort - most code could be made to run well even without it.  The K > > real reason for byte/word instructions was at the device driver level - 1 > > which wasn't solveable at the compiler level.  > J > I was under the impression that this was what sparse space was for. I'veD > never had trouble with sparse space in device drivers, but it is aI > serious problem for user-level code that expects to be able to directly  > manipulate hardware. > E > At my current place of employment, we're running a FORTRAN app that  migratedF > from a VAX-750 UNIBUS environment to its current EV56 PCI and VMEbusK > environment largely unchanged; it could not make the leap to Alpha during H > the EV4 era precisely because it expects to be able to directly access someE > key pieces of hardware. Sparse space would have required completely  > reworking the app. > L > > When Alpha was designed, it assumed that most devices would be smart DMAL > > devices.  Just look at the first Alpha - the Cobra.  Or look at the CRAM IOI > > interface that we designed.  But it turned out that PIO wouldn't die.  > C > My personal gripe about the CRAM IO interface was that it used an I > undocumented pin-bus sequence for handshaking: a store conditional that I > was not preceded by a load locked. Consequently, it was not possible to I > put a mailbox on (for example) a TURBOchannel card because that mailbox ! > could not perform flow control.  > --   > Roger Ivie > rivie@ridgenet.net > http://anachronda.webhop.org/ ! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  > Version: 3.12 J > GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+@ > PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++! > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:50:34 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS - Message-ID: <87brbxcbcl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   J > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:18:23 GMT, Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote:  @ >> I was under the impression that the main reason the byte/wordA >> instructions were added to the instruction set was for Windows C >> and/or FX!32. But then I was always at the very, very far end of F >> the grapevine, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear that I was wrong.  . > Nope.  It was because Oracle ran like a dog.  @ All fixable in compilers/code. What is harder to fix is the manyB `PCI' cards that require 8, 16, 24, or 32 bit accesses over almostB any alignment. Video cards being the big horror, and for DECpaq to@ get out of those, they had to get Alpha to eat industry standard	 fly food.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:15:17 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> 9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <slrncu6hbl.d1f.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   8 On 2005-01-10, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:E > Sparse space requires source level knowledge of either how to do it H > (address/data swizzling) or explicit use of system calls that hide theN > knowledge, perhaps at a performance cost.  But the use of sparse space can'tL > be handled by the C compiler (for example) or even Macro-32 transparently.  ? I'm a bit skeptical of the idea that it can't be handled by a C C compiler, but them I'm not a compiler guy so I don't know for sure. G Since the compiler knows when a datum is being fetched and its size, it F should know what particular swizzling needs to be done. The tricky bitE would be letting the compiler know that accesses through a particular G pointer needed to be swizzled, which could be handled by a pointer type C similar to the PC "near *" and "far *" kludge (sparse char *booger,  maybe?).  G > So yes.  This is what I am saying.  Many drivers needed rewriting, or K > reworking for Alpha.  But the sources were controlled by the vendors - so K > that meant working with the vendors for Alpha-specific source changes for  > their drivers.  D I was under the impression that *all* drivers needed reworking, at aH minimum to add the appropriate ".JSB_ENTRY" or ".CALL_ENTRY" directives.  4 > "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message >>F >> At my current place of employment, we're running a FORTRAN app thatF >> migrated from a VAX-750 UNIBUS environment to its current EV56 PCI  >> and VMEbus environment...  C Dagnabbit! I forgot to complain about how annoying it is that Alpha D FORTRAN *still* doesn't have a memory barrier intrinsic. There isn'tC even a LIB$MB, for crying out loud! I'm forced to call a C or MACRO E routine that does a barrier and hope that the compiler doesn't try to = get clever about moving things to the other side of the call.   D Things are only going to get worse for Itanic, where you have memoryH fences with release or acquire semantics; there'll now be a plethora of & barrier routines I'll have to write... --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 
 Version: 3.12 H GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++   ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:58:27 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>, Subject: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot> Message-ID: <T1JEd.17535$dt3.1162451@twister.southeast.rr.com>  # Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot 
 by: Drew Robb   K ServerWatch: Vast marketing budgets from the likes of Dell, Microsoft, and  D IBM ensure the behemoths take much of the server limelight, leaving I high-performance computing (HPC) niche players, such as NEC and Bull, to  H receive scant coverage. Even a company like HP, which spends as much on I marketing and public relations as a small country's GDP, hardly seems to  K give its AlphaServer line more than a mention. Yet, these platforms have a  5 lot to offer and shouldn't be automatically bypassed. M This week, we'll take a look at HP's AlphaServers and offerings from NEC and  L Bull. We'll examine who's using them, what's new, and what can we expect in  2005?   9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/10/9224459     & Ah...I read this one so it's real.  :)    G Remember to visit this article a couple of times.  We need to maximize   visitor count.     Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:24:55 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i , Message-ID: <kPednXuFcIuGkn7cRVn-uQ@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote: C > BBC reported that Lafarge (makers of cement/concrete) had a large 
 > plant inF > Aceh province and all of the 350 employees are missing. Lafarge used	 > to be a G > big VMS shop. I think they still have a couple of VMS boxes left here  > and > > there around the world. (But their main systems are now on a > competitor's Unix (HPUX).  >  > F > Concrete plants like to be near water/port so that they can load the
 > concrete > into ships for transport.   E http://www.lafarge.com/cgi-bin/lafcom/jsp/home.do?lang=en&partenaire=    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 15:18:17 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)> Subject: Re: Help - SYSUAF and $SETUAI on UAI$_USER_DATA field3 Message-ID: <TNM7lZaxvu3d@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <5rqtt017qs4ul7bvijebb9q3mdo3p6n83c@4ax.com>, JBloggs@acme.com writes: H > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:34:27 -0700, Lorin Ricker <lorin@locktrack.com> > wrote: >  >>PROGRAM DESCRIPTION:E >>I've written a utility, SETUAI.EXE in Pascal v5.8-92 on VMS v7.2-1, B >>which can fetch (display with an application /SHOW), insert &/or< >>update (with /ADD="string"), and delete/remove data in theC >>UAI$_USER_DATA field of a SYSUAF.DAT user/account record, via the B >>system RTLs $GETUAI and $SETUAI.  The basic utility command line >>syntax looks like: > ; > Somewhat OT, but I'd be interested to hear how many folks ? > here on c.o.v, have run across 3rd party software that makes  C > active use of the UAI$_USER_DATA fields?  but namely, which ones?   > I inherited the development and technical support of a product> called UserManager when I worked at Symark.  It allowed you to= use that field and define what data was there, and how it was @ laid out, etc.  IIRC, X-UAFMaestro used to allow that area to be
 used, too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:48:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on ItanicB Message-ID: <1105382310.ea59fbbbe2d3a4421bdff224686ccf19@teranews>   Nigel Barker wrote: K > Windows Server 2003 is "current" for servers. Windows XP is "current" for J > workstations & desktops. There never was an XP Server it is not a server > operating system.   L So, when Microsoft launched the XP Service Pack 2 to fix all the "bugs" etc,. it didn't apply to any windows servers then ?   N Does Windows XP share the same kernel, and basic operating system with WindowsN server 2003 ? (with just the packaging of apps and defaults being different) ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:55:35 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic, Message-ID: <ZdqdnW80JOkjdn_cRVn-3A@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Nigel Barker wrote: > >> Windows Server 2003 is "current" for servers. Windows XP isF >> "current" for workstations & desktops. There never was an XP Server' >> it is not a server operating system.  > B > So, when Microsoft launched the XP Service Pack 2 to fix all the; > "bugs" etc, it didn't apply to any windows servers then ?  > C > Does Windows XP share the same kernel, and basic operating system A > with Windows server 2003 ? (with just the packaging of apps and  > defaults being different) ?     5 That was pretty much the way it was with NT and 2000.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:02:08 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic+ Message-ID: <41E34FBF.E759AE5E@comcast.net>    RE: The subject line:   * "Microsot" - didn't catch that right away!  
 Excellent!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 13:35:54 -0600. From: frey@encompasserve.org (Lurker at Large) Subject: Re: More on Tru643 Message-ID: <xkVee7mEHLV0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1105026730.c6846ff2211d8aae46ecdc6f09b4f47a@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:' >> >  05 FIRST PIC X(30) value 'Three'. , >> >  05 SECOND  PIC X(30) value 'Thousand'.' >> >  05 THIRD  PIC X(60) value spaces.  >> >N >> > result in THIRD having the value "Three Thousand"  in today's cobol ????? >>  G >> Don't know about "today's cobol", but in ANSI-74 it would have been:  >>  ? >>    STRING FIRST, SPACE, SECOND DELIMITED BY SIZE INTO THIRD.  > C > Are you sure "string" was part of COBOL and not a VAX extension ?  > K > I don't recall seing this on IBM Cobol. And did STRING automatically trim & > trailing spaces from stored values ?  E 	I'm currently a Cobol on VMS programmer.  I don't know if STRING is  I part of Cobol or a VMS extension.  But here's how we handle this trivial   problem:   MOVE LOW-VALUES TO THIRD. ! STRING FIRST DELIMITED BY SPACES, 4 	" " DELIMITED BY SIZE,		(or just SPACE if you want) 	SECOND DELIMITED BY SPACES  INTO THIRD.   G 	This leaves THIRD containing "Three Thousand.............." where the   periods are actually nulls.   D 	Granted you can't use this if there's a possibility that FIRST and L SECOND may contain more than one word.  In that situation, we write a small & loop to parse and move the characters.H 	As someone else said, put stuff like this into a code library and just  call it when you need it.   	  - Sharon    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:39:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: More on Tru64B Message-ID: <1105388931.d55ac58810e80f700457e897a0735fbc@teranews>   Lurker at Large wrote:N  >         I'm currently a Cobol on VMS programmer.  I don't know if STRING isJ > part of Cobol or a VMS extension.  But here's how we handle this trivial
 > problem:  K Ok, I tried to dust off my old IBM Cobol manual. HOW old was it ? It was so P old that the vinyl of the binder had fused with that of the binder next to it...  E Well, low and behold, that old IBM Cobol did have the STRING command. M (But that was the cobol available on MVS, not sure if it was available on the - DOS/VSE systems I was working on at the time.   M What is surprising is that my then boss had started off as a cobol programmer J and validated my request to do the routine in assembler. If it had been soK easy to do in Cobol, you'd think my boss would have shown me the doc on the  STRING command.   L I think everyone should learn one assembler. (ok, perhaps not alpha or ia64,I but something like IBM 370 assembler is great to understand how computers J really work). DOS weenies woudl learn the 8086 assembler to code their ownK drivers to write to the screen. But Windows weenies only know about GUI and M Visual Basic and other dangerous scripting languages in Windows. They have no . clue of what really goes on behind the scenes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:18:30 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: More on Tru64Q Message-ID: <OF1B9081A9.710066D0-ON85256F85.0072904F-85256F85.007541CF@metso.com>   H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 01/10/2005 03:39:07 PM:   > Lurker at Large wrote:C >  >         I'm currently a Cobol on VMS programmer.  I don't know  ifSTRING is D > > part of Cobol or a VMS extension.  But here's how we handle this trivial  > > problem: > J > Ok, I tried to dust off my old IBM Cobol manual. HOW old was it ? It was soD > old that the vinyl of the binder had fused with that of the binder > next to it...  > G > Well, low and behold, that old IBM Cobol did have the STRING command. K > (But that was the cobol available on MVS, not sure if it was available on  the / > DOS/VSE systems I was working on at the time.  > D > What is surprising is that my then boss had started off as a cobol
 programmerI > and validated my request to do the routine in assembler. If it had been  soI > easy to do in Cobol, you'd think my boss would have shown me the doc on  the  > STRING command.  > H > I think everyone should learn one assembler. (ok, perhaps not alpha or ia64, K > but something like IBM 370 assembler is great to understand how computers H > really work). DOS weenies woudl learn the 8086 assembler to code their own I > drivers to write to the screen. But Windows weenies only know about GUI  and G > Visual Basic and other dangerous scripting languages in Windows. They  have no 0 > clue of what really goes on behind the scenes.  J Maybe you think everyone should learn to keypunch into tab cards (or thoseJ with the round holes) and sort and collate them, and patch them with thoseG little sticky oblongs and submit them to overnight batch processing....   > Were you a math major?  It's time to put away childish things.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:46:59 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: More on Tru64B Message-ID: <1105392994.f7b4f019b575fbdcd38b40b662c7a388@teranews>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: L > Maybe you think everyone should learn to keypunch into tab cards (or thoseL > with the round holes) and sort and collate them, and patch them with thoseI > little sticky oblongs and submit them to overnight batch processing....   1 Isn't that what most americans do every 4 years ?    :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:36:35 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: More on Tru64( Message-ID: <opskexa9hnzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:39:07 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   G > Well, low and behold, that old IBM Cobol did have the STRING command. J > (But that was the cobol available on MVS, not sure if it was available   > on the/ > DOS/VSE systems I was working on at the time.   J JF, don't you read response to your posts?  It was part of the 74 Standard     --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 14:25:22 -0800$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>3 Subject: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations B Message-ID: <1105395922.558075.17160@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  G In the SET DEVICE/SITE online help, there is a restriction that this is F ignored for multi-site fibre channel configurations.  However, I don'tF know why this should be the case.  In order to get to my remote disks,E I have to traverse an extra set of switches and compete for bandwidth D on a possibly congested inter-switch link.  It would seem to me thatA reading from a local member would be more efficient than a remote D member, whether we're talking about fiber or not.  Is is simply trueG that the weighting that the shadowing software already does to prefer a 2 read from a member with a lower queue is enough?     Thanks, 	    .../Ed    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 21:52:58 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 7 Subject: Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations - Message-ID: <Kg9yCOOkwcJl@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   & "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:I > In the SET DEVICE/SITE online help, there is a restriction that this is 7 > ignored for multi-site fibre channel configurations.    , $ HELP SET DEVICE /SITE reads, in part . . .  ? 	This qualifier can improve read performance because the member H        that is physically local to the system will be the preferred diskH        from which to read, provided that you specify the /SITE qualifierE        for each shadow set member and for the shadow set. (In a Fibre C        Channel configuration, shadow set members at different sites D        are directly attached to the system. For the Volume ShadowingF        and cluster software, there is no distinction between local and=        remote in multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations.)   % Where does it say that it is ignored?   C I believe that you are misunderstanding the intent of that passage.   G *I* take it to read that it is explaining how and why you might use the K SITE qualifier, in that there is no way for SHDRIVER to know whether or not F a directly-attached Fibre Channel disk is local or remote without someF assistance; this command allows the user to give a "hint" to SHDRIVER.  > Note that the preferred command syntax is SET SHADOW /SITE forE V7.3-2 and beyond.  SET DEVICE will continue to work and be supported B forever, but any new commands that will be added for management of@ shadow set member units or virtual devices will be added only to SET SHADOW.   H Note that SHDRIVER *can* detect when a fibre channel disk is MSCP-servedC and not directly attached.  However, for a multipath device that is L locally attached AND has a remote MSCP path, the device is treated as local,J even if the current path is remote.  Actually, that gets me to thinking --F we did our best to have Host-Based Volume Shadowing (HBVS) ignorant ofH multipath as much as possible.  Shadowing only "knows" about a multipathN device's primary path (which is the first path configured for a device), so ifN a multipath device happens to have an MSCP primary path and other local paths,H HBVS will treat the device as remote, even if the current path is local.  H The MSCP-as-primary-with-other-local-paths situation is relatively rare,N however.  It's almost impossible to see unless the system disk is CI-attached.O In that situation, SYS$DUDRIVER (the MSCP-speaking disk class driver) is loaded O before SYS$DKDRIVER (the SCSI-speaking disk class driver), so a device's remote  paths will be discovered first.   - Please let me know if the above is confusing!                       --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 16:34:56 -0800 From: bill@wcschmidt.com2 Subject: Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305?C Message-ID: <1105403696.598896.295270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   C I've delt with several of the so called white boxes, and never been G able to change the OS, according to some folks at the then DEC this can : not be done, seems there is a lot of machine code missing.   Bill Schmidt    
 tdc wrote: > Hi, C > is there anybody with OpenVMS running on DEC Server 5305 (NT-only G > Whitebox, otherwise identical to AlphaServer 1200)? I tried the nvram   C > hack (10 set srm_boot true), but it looks it does nothing. I have  tried C > many versions of SRM (5.1 - 6.x), and two versions of install CDs  (canA > supply version numbers later) - both hangs. The problem is very  similiar> > to this http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_4272.html, only
 difference, > is i get only this part when using one CD: > """  > halted CPU 0 >  > halt code = 5  > HALT instruction executed  > PC = 20010148  > """ & > and then the machine reboots itself.D > When using the other CD (other version, probably newer one), i get the E > other part described at the link (the "Double Exception from CPU 0"  and F > the overlay list before it). Is there some way to get any version ofE > OpenVMS up and running, or is it just known dead-end with this type  of   > hardware?  >  > TIA, Dave    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:53:25 GMT  From: tdc <tdc@phreaker.net>2 Subject: Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305?0 Message-ID: <9sFEd.3299$ay2.1083@news.chello.at>   bill@wcschmidt.com wrote: E > I've delt with several of the so called white boxes, and never been I > able to change the OS, according to some folks at the then DEC this can < > not be done, seems there is a lot of machine code missing. >  > Bill Schmidt  E Linux is running fine there. Nothing extra required to make it work.  G Never had an option to test anything else (Tru64, OpenVMS, not even NT  F :)). It's pitty if OpenVMS cannot work there, as I could have a buyer  for that machine :(    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:53:27 -0800 # From: Tom Crabtree <spam@sucks.com> 2 Subject: Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305?/ Message-ID: <fcSdnVSaxdfGvn7cRVn-jw@sunset.net>    Dave  C Have you checked to see if your SCSI card and CD Rom Drive are VMS   compatible?      TomC
 tdc wrote: > Hi,oD > is there anybody with OpenVMS running on DEC Server 5305 (NT-only H > Whitebox, otherwise identical to AlphaServer 1200)? I tried the nvram J > hack (10 set srm_boot true), but it looks it does nothing. I have tried I > many versions of SRM (5.1 - 6.x), and two versions of install CDs (can eK > supply version numbers later) - both hangs. The problem is very similiar mJ > to this http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_4272.html, only difference , > is i get only this part when using one CD: > """v > halted CPU 0 >  > halt code = 5  > HALT instruction executedU > PC = 20010148l > """ & > and then the machine reboots itself.I > When using the other CD (other version, probably newer one), i get the  J > other part described at the link (the "Double Exception from CPU 0" and G > the overlay list before it). Is there some way to get any version of  I > OpenVMS up and running, or is it just known dead-end with this type of b > hardware?O >  > TIA, Dave5   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 17:53:31 -0800 From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com2 Subject: Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305?C Message-ID: <1105408411.080467.247470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>t   Tom Crabtree wrote:Y > Dave >hD > Have you checked to see if your SCSI card and CD Rom Drive are VMS
 > compatible?y >e >p > TomC > >s
 > > TIA, Davev   Dave,p  D I have one working with OpenVMS.  I think TomC is on the right trackD as I had a "stock" 5305 which came with a combo board with dual SCSIF and a DE500.  This board will not work under OpenVMS and IIRC producesE the halt error that you describe.  What you need to do is remove thatnA board and replace it with a DE50x or DE60x NIC and one of the VMSoB supported SCSI cards -- KZPAA-AA (FNSE), KZPBA-CA (UWSE), KZPBA-CBC (FWD), etc.  Any of the DEC DAC960 based RAID cards will work also.0F The KZPBA-CA is the QLogic 1020 SCSI board which often can be found onE E-Bay for about $25.  Mine also had a Matrox video card which did notgD work and I had to swap it with a Number Nine S3 card.  I don't thinkD that is your problem as IIRC OpenVMS would boot with the Matrox, but; nothing showed on the console.  I'm a little fuzzy on that.d  A If you have any more questions, just let me know.  My machine hassE been upgraded to have 2GB of memory, a Fibre channel card and a DE602r? dual NIC.  It has run OpenVMS 7.3-1 and 7.3-2 without problems.u John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:44:41 GMT  From: tdc <tdc@phreaker.net>2 Subject: Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305?0 Message-ID: <dcGEd.3743$ay2.1138@news.chello.at>   Tom Crabtree wrote:w   > Dave > E > Have you checked to see if your SCSI card and CD Rom Drive are VMS c
 > compatible?o  H As this is the very first time i've met with openvms, i don't even know D where to look. Except form the CDROM, which (obviously) is changed, G everything else is in default state. CDROM is CDRW Ricoh MP6200S (yup,  @ recorder), and there are at least 3 SCSI "ports" inside. CDR is I connected to the first one (NCR53c810 iirc), the other two are NCR53c875 e> (combined with Tulip based ethernet chip on one PCI64 board). H StorageWorks shelf is connected to the "first" of those two, the second I is empty. I have one spare NEC MultiSpin 4xi caddy-loading drive and one  H SCSI CDRW drive (Teac CD-W512SB). I hope at least something of it could  be compatible.H In the AlphaBIOS setting screen there is some other info about internal G hardware (system board type i think), or i can paste SRM 'show config' i here tommorrow, if it can help.o   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 21:22:18 -0800 From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com2 Subject: Re: Newbie question: OpenVMS on DEC 5305?C Message-ID: <1105420938.575189.302640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>8  D > As this is the very first time i've met with openvms, i don't even knowE > where to look. Except form the CDROM, which (obviously) is changed,9B > everything else is in default state. CDROM is CDRW Ricoh MP6200S (yup,hA > recorder), and there are at least 3 SCSI "ports" inside. CDR isk@ > connected to the first one (NCR53c810 iirc), the other two are	 NCR53c875n? > (combined with Tulip based ethernet chip on one PCI64 board).nB > StorageWorks shelf is connected to the "first" of those two, the secondF > is empty. I have one spare NEC MultiSpin 4xi caddy-loading drive and onegC > SCSI CDRW drive (Teac CD-W512SB). I hope at least something of ite couldn  C Dave, Google is your friend here.  Most of the information you willa> need is on HP's website but you will never find it using theirF god-awful search function.  The starting spot for hardware info on theF 5305 at HP is here http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/5300/C However, to get the Alphaserver 1200 info for VMS compatibility you F need to start here http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/1200/E Another good place for information are the forums on Kenneth Farmer's.F http://www.openvms.org website and on the HP IT Resource Center forumsG at http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288u  B OpenVMS is very touchy about what kind of CD/CD-RW drives it worksE with.  Basically, unless it is a newer machine, it has to be SCSI and G have the parity enabled.  In addition, to boot from it you have to makeMF the drive read in 512-byte sectors instead fo the "normal" 2048 bytes.B >From what I can gather through Google, the Ricoh MP6200S may workA although even the Ricoh website has no usable information on thateE model.  As for the Teac CD-W512SB I cannot find any information about_A see if it can be set to 512-byte sectors or not.  I guess if youraC system was starting to boot and got the halt, then you are probablyn* okay with whatever drive is already in it.  G See my previous post about your HALT problem.  From what you say here I G believe that the combo SCSI/NIC board is your culprit. I had to replacerD the one in my 5305 with two separate boards as VMS just doesn't have the drivers to work it.d  5 Good luck.  It works if you get all the pieces right.n John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:37:25 -0500e# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>uE Subject: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conferenced, Message-ID: <FMOdnQ821qUxjH7cRVn-rA@igs.net>  L http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=goto&page=homepage.nytimeL s.com/indexnew.html&pos=Left1&camp=HPWebcast02-nyt2&ad=hpwebcast_hpmktplace&L goto=http://h10054.www1.hp.com/ent_event/landing.html?jumpid=ex_bbev_nyt_86x 40   which links to thist  I http://h10054.www1.hp.com/ent_event/landing.html?jumpid=ex_bbev_nyt_86x40       F The caption below the link read "Carly Fiorina HP Webcast January 18th 8:30-10a.m. PT"h  L I guess if they are having a link in the NT Times web site it must mean that1 carly(tm) will be talking about printers and TV'se   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:09:18 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conferencefB Message-ID: <1105412351.e017e6ff254dd82fc67dd2e24f532577@teranews>   John Smith wrote:uH > The caption below the link read "Carly Fiorina HP Webcast January 18th > 8:30-10a.m. PT"  > N > I guess if they are having a link in the NT Times web site it must mean that3 > carly(tm) will be talking about printers and TV'sa  F Ok, so the ad appears on the very front page of the on-line. ThereforeI doubtful that the event will feature VMS much. But we could be surprised.i  K It is also doubtful that such a public even would be THE announcement every O one is waiting for (death of IA64 and porting of VMS/HP-UX/Tandem to the 8086).     H I would not be surprised to see Carly starts by announcing the 9mb cacheM version of IA64, and end by announcing she had accepted an offer to head some1G government agency. Once she's out, her replacement can then cancel IA64j1 without much of a impact his and Carly's carreer.M    C HP wouldn't advertise some webcast on the new york times unless theq< announcement would have some public appeal and significance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:16:08 -0500p' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>e/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership surveyl, Message-ID: <41E2F098.8080006@tsoft-inc.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:   > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > G >> It seems that Ken Farmer is running a test to see if anyone actuallyyI >> reads the OpenVMS.org web site.  I shall thwart him by posting the URLs >> here: >>@ >>     http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504 >>   >> > Story not found - error... >      It should have been:  ? http://www.openvms.org/humor/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504a  - or, for those without appriciation for humor:t  B http://www.openvms.org/gullable/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504   :-)l   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:13:53 -0500l' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey * Message-ID: <41E2F011.50306@tsoft-inc.com>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:i  7 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message v( > news:41E225D1.7000008@tsoft-inc.com... >  >>John Smith wrote:a >> >> >>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:l >>>h >>>sH >>>>It seems that Ken Farmer is running a test to see if anyone actuallyJ >>>>reads the OpenVMS.org web site.  I shall thwart him by posting the URL	 >>>>here:l >>>>= >>>>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504m >>>> >>>> >>> K >>>If it wasn't so funny I would have believed it was a legitimate HP presse >>>release.o >>>e >>>l >>>o >>>aK >>I ran into a guy today.  Had a crazed look in his eyes, and was wielding cL >>an aluminum baseball bat.  From a safe distance, I asked him if there was M >>a problem.  His gaze fastened upon me as he raised the bat and asked me my sE >>initials.  Upon my reply of DF, he asked if I knew anyone with the aI >>initials JF. I pointed North, and asked him his name.  I think he said t5 >>something like Ken Farmer as he tore off Northward.a >> > M > Sooo classic.  I'm sure I'll be hearing about this for years.  At least it cH > was only up for a few hours.  Henry Juengst emailed me around 1am and + > luckily I was still awake to get it down.     0 What!  OpenVMS.org doesn't have a humor section?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:44:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>./ Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey B Message-ID: <1105392848.e38be4c8d67e21668afbfad804e54f70@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote: > It should have been: > A > http://www.openvms.org/humor/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504C > / > or, for those without appriciation for humor:u > D > http://www.openvms.org/gullable/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504   Oh... give the guy a break...n  M He works hard to pick any/all news about VMS, and he just took this one which@- *looked* legitimate and posted it right away.0  L I say he should have left it alone, and just added the "About HP" paragraphsJ which he had snipped. And perhaps just a last line such as "if you're readL this far and still haven't figured out it was a hoax, you need to go to your& local shop and buy a sense of humour".  L Now, it's often been said that IA64 runs hot. I've heard throug the gapevineM that HP plans to have Ink cooled servers, wich will also act as a central InkxJ servers feeding a cluster of HP printers. "By feeding hot ink to printers,L we'll be able to increase print quality and copies will dry much faster"....   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 15:59:59 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey 3 Message-ID: <19smokevp$t+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1105392848.e38be4c8d67e21668afbfad804e54f70@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:O > He works hard to pick any/all news about VMS, and he just took this one whichb/ > *looked* legitimate and posted it right away.,  L Actually, the problem was that you posted this announcement 82 days early...  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"g& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfsL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         "To enslave men, successfully and safely, it is necessary to havesH         their minds  occupied with thoughts and aspirations short of theL         liberty of which they are  deprived.  A certain degree of attainableJ         good must be kept before them." Frederick Douglas, "My Bondage and         My Freedom," 1855n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:10:22 -0500a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership surveyt, Message-ID: <JNCdnfV4vfHYYH_cRVn-2A@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > Kenneth Farmer wrote:e >i7 >> "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ) >> news:41E225D1.7000008@tsoft-inc.com...s >> >>> John Smith wrote:  >>>o >>>  >>>> Larry Kilgallen wrote:a >>>> >>>>A >>>>> It seems that Ken Farmer is running a test to see if anyonecE >>>>> actually reads the OpenVMS.org web site.  I shall thwart him byo >>>>> posting the URL here:e >>>>> ? >>>>> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504  >>>>>r >>>>>g >>>>G >>>> If it wasn't so funny I would have believed it was a legitimate HP. >>>> press release.i >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>C >>> I ran into a guy today.  Had a crazed look in his eyes, and was E >>> wielding an aluminum baseball bat.  From a safe distance, I askedcG >>> him if there was a problem.  His gaze fastened upon me as he raisedcG >>> the bat and asked me my initials.  Upon my reply of DF, he asked ifeF >>> I knew anyone with the initials JF. I pointed North, and asked himG >>> his name.  I think he said something like Ken Farmer as he tore offo >>> Northward. >>>d >>D >> Sooo classic.  I'm sure I'll be hearing about this for years.  AtB >> least it was only up for a few hours.  Henry Juengst emailed me; >> around 1am and luckily I was still awake to get it down.n >b > 2 > What!  OpenVMS.org doesn't have a humor section?     Yes it does ......= http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/index.html    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2005 00:30:54 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>Y/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey+6 Message-ID: <Xns95DBF7ABB269dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>  # %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Bob Kaplow wrote ina+ news:19smokevp$t+@eisner.encompasserve.org <  G > In article <1105392848.e38be4c8d67e21668afbfad804e54f70@teranews>, JFt/ > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: uF >> He works hard to pick any/all news about VMS, and he just took this: >> one which *looked* legitimate and posted it right away. > E > Actually, the problem was that you posted this announcement 82 daysg > early...    ! Nah, that's when HP posts it. ;-}e SCNR     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.nG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:09:07 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>l/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership surveyl, Message-ID: <41E36D83.8060400@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:l   > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>Kenneth Farmer wrote:t >> >>7 >>>"Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messages) >>>news:41E225D1.7000008@tsoft-inc.com...s >>>s >>>s >>>>John Smith wrote:r >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:e >>>>>a >>>>>  >>>>>oA >>>>>>It seems that Ken Farmer is running a test to see if anyone_E >>>>>>actually reads the OpenVMS.org web site.  I shall thwart him by  >>>>>>posting the URL here:- >>>>>>? >>>>>>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/09/5789504o >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>G >>>>>If it wasn't so funny I would have believed it was a legitimate HP  >>>>>press release.n >>>>>k >>>>>u >>>>>e >>>>>F >>>>>wC >>>>I ran into a guy today.  Had a crazed look in his eyes, and was E >>>>wielding an aluminum baseball bat.  From a safe distance, I askedsG >>>>him if there was a problem.  His gaze fastened upon me as he raised G >>>>the bat and asked me my initials.  Upon my reply of DF, he asked ifeF >>>>I knew anyone with the initials JF. I pointed North, and asked himG >>>>his name.  I think he said something like Ken Farmer as he tore offc >>>>Northward. >>>> >>>>D >>>Sooo classic.  I'm sure I'll be hearing about this for years.  AtB >>>least it was only up for a few hours.  Henry Juengst emailed me; >>>around 1am and luckily I was still awake to get it down.u >>>  >>2 >>What!  OpenVMS.org doesn't have a humor section? >> >  >  > Yes it does ......? > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/index.html3    P You must be right, because I was laughing too hard to immediately write a reply.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:40 +0000 (UTC)w- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)o6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line. Message-ID: <crupqv$k8i$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes in article <41E28CF4.6070409@bigpond.com> dated Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:11:00 +0000:A" >Bob Koehler was overheard to say:J >> In article <crnghi$stq$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, (Keith A. Lewis) writes: >> r, >>>It's even shorter if you use this symbol:  >>>  GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT:" >>   >> e >>    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.f >d# >Don't you mean Grrrrrrreeeeeeeeep!e  L Well you can grrrrrrrriiiiiiipe all you want about my mis-appropriation of aG Unix command name, but it really does come in handy to have some symboldI assigned to search sys$input:.  Grep sort of lends itself because as it'saK normally used in Unix, it's a search command with the arguments reversed too' make pipelining more straightforward.  M   $ pipe show sys | grep ntpP 20200422 TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF      9  2120954   0 00:00:08.64       362    306  N   :^)2  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 15:58:09 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line3 Message-ID: <mI0pb9IDiblP@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ^ In article <crupqv$k8i$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:N > Well you can grrrrrrrriiiiiiipe all you want about my mis-appropriation of aI > Unix command name, but it really does come in handy to have some symbolhK > assigned to search sys$input:.  Grep sort of lends itself because as it's-M > normally used in Unix, it's a search command with the arguments reversed to ) > make pipelining more straightforward.  e >  > $ pipe show sys | grep ntpR > 20200422 TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF      9  2120954   0 00:00:08.64       362    306  N   $ show sys/proc=*ntp*oI OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node CLCC  10-JAN-2005 15:56:43.44  Uptime  2 06:21:31cM   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  PageshP 0000081D TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF     10   200793   0 00:00:40.66       332    294  N  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"e& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         "To enslave men, successfully and safely, it is necessary to haveaH         their minds  occupied with thoughts and aspirations short of theL         liberty of which they are  deprived.  A certain degree of attainableJ         good must be kept before them." Frederick Douglas, "My Bondage and         My Freedom," 1855i   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:38:04 +0000 (UTC)O- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)m6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line. Message-ID: <crv04c$nmb$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes in article <mI0pb9IDiblP@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 10 Jan 2005 15:58:09 -0600:_ >In article <crupqv$k8i$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  >> $ pipe show sys | grep ntpwS >> 20200422 TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF      9  2120954   0 00:00:08.64       362    306  NS >N >$ show sys/proc=*ntp*J >OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node CLCC  10-JAN-2005 15:56:43.44  Uptime  2 06:21:31N >  Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  PagesQ >0000081D TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF     10   200793   0 00:00:40.66       332    294  NT   OK, bad example.  :^)  Y   How about this one: 1 $ pipe show dev/files dsa1 | grep problemfile.ext   L I know you can accomplish something like that in interactive mode with /pageM then [find], but the pipe command works in batch or cgi where /page does not.C  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:11:47 GMTT% From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>	( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501101507370.8388@localhost.localdomain>  ' On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Bob Koehler wrote:d  0 >   System table logicals I can fix only because >   I _am_ the system manager.  ? But you can override them with with your own /JOB logical name.o     -- t  B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!n6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jan 2005 14:39:25 -08003 From: "Vladimir Vershinin" <vershinin-vk@tochka.ru>I Subject: VTfm new release 2.3-2aB Message-ID: <1105396765.626243.82300@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  6 VTfm new release 2.3-2 has the following new features:  9 - Supports EXTENDED FILE SPECIFICATIONS on ODS-5 volumes; ! - command line is up to 4K chars; B - supports use of F1-F10 keys on some keyboards instead of default
 F11-F20 keys; 1 - User's Guide in PDF format included in the kit.B  A You can download VTfm kit from Web-page: http://www.vtfm.narod.ruo Vladimir Vershinin,m vershinin-vk(AT)tochka.rui   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.021 ************************