0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 12 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 23      Contents: ACMS and XML Re: ACMS and XML= Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images  Customizing CDE  Re: Customizing CDE  Re: Customizing CDE  Re: Customizing CDE  Re: DCSP and LPD problem.  Re: DCSP and LPD problem. 0 Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 ' Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot ' Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot ' Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot ' Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot ' Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot ' Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot P Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave iP RE: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave iP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave iP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i5 Re: Help - SYSUAF and $SETUAI on UAI$_USER_DATA field  Re: HP and SAP IA64 versus Power  Re: IA64 versus Power * List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations Need Word-11 Re: Need Word-11- OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media... Should I buy it? 1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media... Should I buy it? & Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey+ Re: OT: Display technology at euro stadiums 4 Problem using Pseudoterminals with Virtual Terminals8 Re: Problem using Pseudoterminals with Virtual Terminals- Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Sun shocka - take 9  Re: Sun shocka - take 9 3 [OT]:Perfect complement for a VMS system as clients P Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itn  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 14:08:54 -0800 From: bill@wcschmidt.com Subject: ACMS and XML C Message-ID: <1105481334.116898.312360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   B can anybody point to some document, information of how to use ACMS! interface with XML on Alpha VMS?"  Current versions are  
 vms v7.3-1 acms v4.4-B    Thanks Bill Schmidt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:05:34 -0500 & From: "B Hall" <bill03060@comcast.net> Subject: Re: ACMS and XML 0 Message-ID: <GJudncCla5166nncRVn-2g@comcast.com>  % <bill@wcschmidt.com> wrote in message = news:1105481334.116898.312360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... D > can anybody point to some document, information of how to use ACMS# > interface with XML on Alpha VMS?"  > Current versions are > vms v7.3-1
 > acms v4.4-B  >  > Thanks > Bill Schmidt >   H Do you want to access XML from a procedure server?  If so, as long as it conforms to K the VMS calling standard, there are no problems.  There is no documentation  that I know 0 of that describes how XML can be used with ACMS.  	 Bill Hall   ACMS Engineering (until 3/31/05)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:29:55 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> F Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images: Message-ID: <vY%Ed.25027$b64.596215@news20.bellglobal.com>  8 "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com> wrote in message % news:cs0n9i$kca$1@news.process.com... = >I did some basic testing, was able to reproduce his problem, 2 > and entered a defect in our bug tracking system. >  > ---------------------------  > Richard Whalen > Process Software > > Process Software Corp to the rescue. You guys are very cool...  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:30:02 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Customizing CDE. Message-ID: <cs1d0a$2mn$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  H I want to customize my DECwindows/Motif CDE.  Pointers to the docs whichG answer my questions would be very welcome; I have found documents which K apply to the pre-CDE version of DECwindows, but I don't want to use the old F version because I really like being able to switch between workspaces.  I 1.  I want to add a Mozilla button to the workspace manager toolbar.  How G can I do this?  Preferably for all users but just my account would be a  start.  I 2.  I want to start 3 Mozilla sessions (different profiles) automatically F when I first log in, just for my own account.  Each one should be in a different workspace.     Clues?  Links?  Thanks.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)  Subject: Re: Customizing CDE/ Message-ID: <cs1fh4$s6p$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>   ^ In article <cs1d0a$2mn$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:I !I want to customize my DECwindows/Motif CDE.  Pointers to the docs which H !answer my questions would be very welcome; I have found documents whichL !apply to the pre-CDE version of DECwindows, but I don't want to use the oldG !version because I really like being able to switch between workspaces.  ! J !1.  I want to add a Mozilla button to the workspace manager toolbar.  HowH !can I do this?  Preferably for all users but just my account would be a !start.   > Have a look at the Secure Web Browser doc (warning: URL wrap):  F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_relnotes.html #cdedesktop    ! J !2.  I want to start 3 Mozilla sessions (different profiles) automaticallyG !when I first log in, just for my own account.  Each one should be in a  !different workspace.  !  !Clues?  Links?  Thanks. ! 1 !--Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org ? !The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 JAN 2005 21:42:20 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>  Subject: Re: Customizing CDE2 Message-ID: <11JAN05.21422032@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  E In a previous article, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) wrote: J > I want to customize my DECwindows/Motif CDE.  Pointers to the docs whichI > answer my questions would be very welcome; I have found documents which M > apply to the pre-CDE version of DECwindows, but I don't want to use the old H > version because I really like being able to switch between workspaces. >   K > 1.  I want to add a Mozilla button to the workspace manager toolbar.  How I > can I do this?  Preferably for all users but just my account would be a  > start. >   K > 2.  I want to start 3 Mozilla sessions (different profiles) automatically H > when I first log in, just for my own account.  Each one should be in a > different workspace.    J I think [.dt.sessions]sessionetc.com is invoked during logins.  You shouldL be able to start Mozilla from there.  I don't use multiple workspaces myselfK (or Mozilla for that matter since it doesn't play well with the 8-bit color I my ancient alpha 3400 provides), but apparently many applications respect       -xrm "*workspaceList: ws0 ws1"  K where "ws0", ws1, etc. can also be the label names on the workspace switch.  Quotes and case are important.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 15:52:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Customizing CDE3 Message-ID: <a1cllAvgOXXW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <cs1d0a$2mn$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:J > I want to customize my DECwindows/Motif CDE.  Pointers to the docs whichI > answer my questions would be very welcome; I have found documents which M > apply to the pre-CDE version of DECwindows, but I don't want to use the old H > version because I really like being able to switch between workspaces.  B    You have stumbled into one of the worst pieces of software I'veG    seen HP design in a long time.  If you want a working document, pray     someone writes one.  K > 1.  I want to add a Mozilla button to the workspace manager toolbar.  How I > can I do this?  Preferably for all users but just my account would be a  > start.  E    You best off addding it via the existing "add icon" buttons in the 
    dashboard.   K > 2.  I want to start 3 Mozilla sessions (different profiles) automatically H > when I first log in, just for my own account.  Each one should be in a > different workspace.    D    You can have each session return to its last state, automatically"    saved at logoff.  Will that do?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:19:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: DCSP and LPD problem.+ Message-ID: <41E4894B.8EC300B1@comcast.net>    Paul Anderson wrote: > [snip] > The LPD RFC is 1179.    H Note, however, that this is an informational RFC. It clearly states thatE it does not document a standard: Quoting from the text: "This memo is A for informational purposes only, and does not specify an Internet 6 standard." RFC1179 indicates that it is the product of> reverse-engineering and is based on another person's research.  H Likewise for RFC2569 (Mapping between LPD and IPP Protocols) which is an> experimental RFC. Quoting from the text: "This memo defines anF Experimental Protocol for the Internet community.  It does not specify" an Internet standard of any kind."  H To my knowledge, I have never been able to find any documentation of LPDC as a standard. Thus, I classify it as a "de-facto standard" (widely $ used, but not officially specified).  
 Reference:E Go to http://www.rfc-editor.org/cgi-bin/rfcsearch.pl and enter lpd as D the search criterion. (Try lpr also, if you think that will return a, more correct result - you may be surprised.)  @ If you can find the current "IAB Official Protocol Standards" asB referenced in RFC1179, please post a link to it. I cannot find it.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:04:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: DCSP and LPD problem.B Message-ID: <1105498412.895e330314a2fb60cda5e45ca640cf03@teranews>   David J Dachtera wrote: G > it does not document a standard: Quoting from the text: "This memo is C > for informational purposes only, and does not specify an Internet 8 > standard." RFC1179 indicates that it is the product of@ > reverse-engineering and is based on another person's research.  E RFCs are as good as standards, especially this one which has not been $ complemented/replaced by newer ones.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:33:38 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> 9 Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <slrncu8e6h.iqm.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   8 On 2005-01-11, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:A > Swizzling is not architectural, it is platform specific.  There 9 > were 3 different swizzle schemes, if we don't count the  > TurboChannel.   D Ah! I've apparently been living a sheltered life. I've only directlyE dealt with sparse space on the TURBOchannel machines. In other cases, : I've gone through the OS services to get at the registers.  > > You are talking VMS.  I am talking NT.  The byte/word access@ > for IO was not targeted for VMS, or even UNIX - it was for NT.  G Ah, again! So this supports the rumor I initially heard all those years + ago that the feature was added for Windows.    Thanks for your time!  --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 
 Version: 3.12 H GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++   ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:00:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100B Message-ID: <1105483793.fec1f293fac5856f73a549a0c1894274@teranews>  L I have a vaxstation 3100-30. I managed to build a vaxstation to VGA cable to( hookup to a NEC LCD display. Works fine.  L However, the "sleep" mode is really just a black image being displayed, with' the monitor remaining fully powered up.   L Does VGA have input signals to cause the monitor to go into energy efficientM sleep mode ? Is there a lead in the VAXstation 3100's monitor port that could > be used to turn the montor on and off its energy saving mode ?  A Or is this just too "legacy" to have such energy saving feature ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06:57 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 0 Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot' Message-ID: <41E43FF1.1090207@MMaz.com>    Dave Froble wrote:  C > HP has an interest to present the appearance that itanic is more  I > viable.  As far as reality, assuming that Intel is selling the CPUs at  F > a low enough price to allow it to appear to be less expensive, that B > reality dies as soon as Intel's costs are added to the equation. > C > At the extreme risk of being repetative, Intel could more easily  I > afford to eat the costs of the itanic in the past.  With reports of up  G > to a third of x86 server sales now going to Opteron, that particular  @ > cash cow isn't yielding as much milk for Intel as in the past.  G Not to 'pin you down' Dave, but I would really like to know the source  H of that last statistic, the 1/3 of server sales going to Opteron.  This : could be very helpful for me in a discussion I'm having...   Regards,   Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2005 21:16:58 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot, Message-ID: <34iu2aF4bevo4U1@individual.net>  = In article <0FSEd.9830$hQ6.2089313@twister.southeast.rr.com>, 9 	"Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes: = > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message  / > news:iHCDxEENH439@eisner.encompasserve.org... G >> In article <34i2bdF48vk52U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill   >> Gunshannon) writes:B >>> In article <T1JEd.17535$dt3.1162451@twister.southeast.rr.com>,< >>> "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes: >>K >>>> Remember to visit this article a couple of times.  We need to maximize  >>>> visitor count.  >>> K >>> Which is why no one with half a brain takes those statistics seriously.  >>I >> That is not an issue.  I am sure Ken only plans to present the figures  >> to advertising executives.  >  > L > True.  The visitor count on my site is used for advertisers.  I certainly % > need visitor count to sell banners.   I That doesn't disprove what I said. It merely shows your advertisers don't  have half a brain.   > M > I would like to see people originally get to the article using OpenVMS.org  N > then go back directly to ServerWatch later in the day to read it again.  Of I > course they can feel free to use OpenVMS.org to get back if they wish.  O > Regardless, ServerWatch needs to see the interest in the article via visitor   > count.   G Why not just write a program (something akin to SETI@Home) that fetches E these articles and then send it out to everybody you know.  Lets see, D create a mailbox with a special name.  Create a program to read thatD mailbox.  Then everytime a new article shows up al Ken would need toF do would be send mail to all these mail accounts causing them to fetchG the article and discard it.  :-)  If your going to stuff the ballot box . you ought to at least do a good job of it. :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2005 21:21:13 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot, Message-ID: <34iua9F4bevo4U2@individual.net>  = In article <eTSEd.9831$hQ6.2091380@twister.southeast.rr.com>, 9 	"Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes: 8 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ( > news:34i2bdF48vk52U1@individual.net...A >> In article <T1JEd.17535$dt3.1162451@twister.southeast.rr.com>, ; >> "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes: ' >>> Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot  >>> by: Drew Robb  >>> J >>> Remember to visit this article a couple of times.  We need to maximize >>> visitor count. >>J >> Which is why no one with half a brain takes those statistics seriously. >  > / > Exactly are you implying with that statement?   F That faking visits is so unbelieveably simple only an idiot would takeD the counts seriously.  Is credit granted for every robot that visitsF in order to "index" the whole web?  I have seen webpages on our serverI where the number of these meaningless "visits" outnumbers the real visits  by as much as 10 to 1.  + Also, see my last posting on this subject!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 16:18:55 -0800! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com 0 Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server SnapshotA Message-ID: <1105489135.370330.5170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   D Ken is trying to make sure that everyone visits the OpenVMS ArticlesB that appear in different journals which is a wonderful thing.  TheC people that run the journals compare articles see what has the most G visits and then ask for more articles on the same topic.  WE LIKE THAT, E and it explains why Drew has written a number of articles on VMS.  My D hope is that this will become a trend and other Authors and journals will get on the band wagon.   E So I think that the discussion about the articles is not even what is G being discussed but the visit statistic and how/why advertisers want to @ be on the web/web sites.  Not being a real smart person myself IB hesitate to make any judgments on other folks but most intelligentG marketing/advertising people would look at a number of demographics and ? site visits would only be one statistics.  There is software to C determine if it is a unique visitor or a repeat, what country, what F time of the day and so on.  I know this because I get the data for the OpenVMS Technical Journal.  F Was it Mark Twain who said that there were three kinds of statistics - lies, lies and Damn Lies?   	 My 2cents    Sue      Bill Gunshannon wrote:? > In article <eTSEd.9831$hQ6.2091380@twister.southeast.rr.com>, ; > 	"Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes: 9 > > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message * > > news:34i2bdF48vk52U1@individual.net...C > >> In article <T1JEd.17535$dt3.1162451@twister.southeast.rr.com>, = > >> "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes: ) > >>> Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot  > >>> by: Drew Robb  > >>> C > >>> Remember to visit this article a couple of times.  We need to  maximize > >>> visitor count. > >>A > >> Which is why no one with half a brain takes those statistics 
 seriously. > >  > > 1 > > Exactly are you implying with that statement?  > C > That faking visits is so unbelieveably simple only an idiot would  takeF > the counts seriously.  Is credit granted for every robot that visitsA > in order to "index" the whole web?  I have seen webpages on our  serverD > where the number of these meaningless "visits" outnumbers the real visits > by as much as 10 to 1. > - > Also, see my last posting on this subject!!  >  > bill >  > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three  wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:17:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server SnapshotB Message-ID: <1105492012.8ce6f6ee7f25f629c19cbbeeba628cc0@teranews>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:F > Ken is trying to make sure that everyone visits the OpenVMS Articles@ > that appear in different journals which is a wonderful thing.   N Sue,  Ken is getting some ribbing  because he thought one of my postings was aH legitimate HP press release and posted it on the vms.org website without reading it carefully :-)  L And in terms of usage statistics, many marketers do not really understand hoM HTTP works and their definition of usage isn't exactly representative or real F actual usage, but since that is how they want it, that is how web site managers calculate readership.  K A former VMS customer famous for making simulators fired an employee in the N early days of the web because their logs showed he was constantly reading newsL from some web site all day long.  In reality, he had some web page loaded inK the background, but that web page had an automatic refresh every 5 minutes. 7 The human resources department didn't understand this.    I > visits and then ask for more articles on the same topic.  WE LIKE THAT, C > and it explains why Drew has written a number of articles on VMS.   J And he should be encouraged, even if it means playing the numbers game and" accessing the articles many times.  I > marketing/advertising people would look at a number of demographics and + > site visits would only be one statistics.   J Sue, the web server logs has some technical information but no demographic) information other then choice of browser.    >  There is software to E > determine if it is a unique visitor or a repeat, what country, what  > time of the day and so on.    M Sue, "unique vistors" is a concept which doesn't really exist. Consider users M with javascript and cookies disabled, and you have no way to know if the user " is returning to the same web page.  L You may be given statistic that say "unique visitors", but it isn't a number  you should bet your own life on.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:25:12 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 0 Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot, Message-ID: <41E48A88.5080505@tsoft-inc.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:   > Dave Froble wrote: > D >> HP has an interest to present the appearance that itanic is more J >> viable.  As far as reality, assuming that Intel is selling the CPUs at G >> a low enough price to allow it to appear to be less expensive, that  C >> reality dies as soon as Intel's costs are added to the equation.  >>D >> At the extreme risk of being repetative, Intel could more easily J >> afford to eat the costs of the itanic in the past.  With reports of up H >> to a third of x86 server sales now going to Opteron, that particular A >> cash cow isn't yielding as much milk for Intel as in the past.  >  > I > Not to 'pin you down' Dave, but I would really like to know the source  J > of that last statistic, the 1/3 of server sales going to Opteron.  This < > could be very helpful for me in a discussion I'm having... > 
 > Regards, >  > Barry  >   H Actually, I'm not sure.  I think it's something I read on The Inquirer. L Possibly not.  I wouldn't call such anything to bet the farm on, and I also ( think it may have been some projections.  : Doing a quick search, this one mentions an AMD projection:  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19478   = This one doesn't get into percentages, but might be relavent:   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19859   " This one is relavent, but not 1/3:  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19972   G This one talks about x86 servers in 2005, and does mention percentages:   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20437   N I'm not really sure where I got such an impression.  I read as much news as I L have time for, but don't really attempt to retain any details, just trends. = It's just s number I think I read in the last several months.   P A composite feeling I get is that 64 bit x86, along with more 32 bit speed than N anyone else, is acceptable to many people, and Intel will suffer because "who  wants to buy second best?".   O Note that some do not assign serious credibility to some/all Inquirer articles.    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:16:40 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i , Message-ID: <CoednczACOW8qXncRVn-iw@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >>G >> Concrete plants like to be near water/port so that they can load the  >> concrete  >> into ships for transport. > @ >    Then what is that concrete plant doing in Laramie, Wyoming?    E They're going to use that concrete to build a giant canal to take all J Wyoming's water to California for use in swimming pools, lawn watering and washing cars. ;-)     J The plant in Indonesia was located roughly where the need for the concreteL was - in the flat land near the coast where most of the people lived. And inH a location where the concrete cold be shipped up/down the coast to otherJ populated areas. It is my understanding that there was only one major roadL along the coast in that area, so shipping by water made some economic sense.L It's the same reason why taconite pellets are shipped by lake freighter fromL the west end of Lake Superior to the steel mills on Lake Michigan, Erie, andI Ontario - it's much less expensive to do so than to transport via vail or  truck.  K Where I live, one manufacturer of portland cement brings the powder in bulk E from the kiln by boat in order to serve the local market. The kiln is H located about 50 miles away for seveal reasons - land is cheaper and theK NIMBY principle for the operation of nearly any nasty industrial processes.   L The local ready-mix plants mix the portland cement, aggregates, admixes, andI water to form the wet concrete that is delivered ready-to-pour. Ready-mix H concrete generally does not like to be in the truck longer than a coupleF hours unless costly additives are included in the mix which permit theJ concete to remain 'plastic' for up to 8 hours. These additive can increase3 the price per yard/metre by upwards of 25% or more.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:23:16 -0500 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> Y Subject: RE: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i : Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDOECEFPAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > N > The local ready-mix plants mix the portland cement, aggregates, admixes, andK > water to form the wet concrete that is delivered ready-to-pour. Ready-mix J > concrete generally does not like to be in the truck longer than a coupleH > hours unless costly additives are included in the mix which permit theL > concete to remain 'plastic' for up to 8 hours. These additive can increase5 > the price per yard/metre by upwards of 25% or more.   M I was under the impression that ready-mix trucks did not add the water to the L (dry) ready mix until at the job site at which time it became ready-to-pour.P Imagine a break down with 15 yards of wet ready-to-pour load on board. I thoughtP the (dry) plasticizing agents are added to obtain workabilty of the (wet) pouredO mix (pumping, self-leveling, etc) with minimal or no increase in water (and the K resulting loss of strength). I know anytime I've had concrete delivered the * water was added and mixed while I watched.   Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:57:52 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i , Message-ID: <tK-dnQjZPeev0HncRVn-og@igs.net>   Dan Allen wrote:B >> The local ready-mix plants mix the portland cement, aggregates,@ >> admixes, and water to form the wet concrete that is deliveredE >> ready-to-pour. Ready-mix concrete generally does not like to be in C >> the truck longer than a couple hours unless costly additives are G >> included in the mix which permit the concete to remain 'plastic' for F >> up to 8 hours. These additive can increase the price per yard/metre >> by upwards of 25% or more.  > B > I was under the impression that ready-mix trucks did not add theE > water to the (dry) ready mix until at the job site at which time it A > became ready-to-pour. Imagine a break down with 15 yards of wet F > ready-to-pour load on board. I thought the (dry) plasticizing agentsB > are added to obtain workabilty of the (wet) poured mix (pumping,C > self-leveling, etc) with minimal or no increase in water (and the ? > resulting loss of strength). I know anytime I've had concrete : > delivered the water was added and mixed while I watched.    H That was mix-on-site. Ready-mix is the norm in most urban areas for goodJ reason - QC is easier to manage at the ready-mix yard than asking a driver to add water at the site.   G Most concrete specified for big commercial jobs is sampled pre-pour for K slump and other properties which are discernable at that time. For critical G jobs, small samples from each truckload are often poured into molds and K allowed to cure before being crushed to the point of failure to ensure that K the delivered and placed concrete meets specs. Very cool machines do this - G watching a concrete core exploding under pressure is fun. You would not I believe the crap or incorrect mix that the delivery companies try to dump ; into the concrete either on-site or at the ready-mix plant.   G And yes, the drivers get very nervous when the 15 yard drum hasn't been  emptied after a couple hours.   H There are different additives for different needs. Check the Degussa andE Euclid Chemicals web sites for examples. They have more chemicals for & concrete than HP has toner cartridges.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:46:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i B Message-ID: <1105475744.f2b148c95de8c3aec27ae7e3dd68737e@teranews>  B > >    Then what is that concrete plant doing in Laramie, Wyoming?  I I didn't say that all concrete plants were near water. But for large bulk M transport, waterways are far more efficient. There are large boats that carry  bulk concrete.  N West of Kingston Ontario Canada, right on the shores of the St-Lawrence River,K Lafarge has a plant. There is a huge elevated conveyor that passes over the K road to Lafarge's own dock on the river where large freighers will dock and 7 get loaded with tons of concrete direct from the plant.   M From there, Lafarge can efficently ship large amounts of concrete not only to L great lakes and St-Lawrence locations, but also to any port in the atlantic.I Obviously, economics and time to deliver will decide which plant provides # best/cheapest delivery to customer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:18:06 -0700 ( From: Lorin Ricker <lorin@locktrack.com>> Subject: Re: Help - SYSUAF and $SETUAI on UAI$_USER_DATA field8 Message-ID: <jjc9u05438khkms3b574ckuhtt3963t960@4ax.com>  J On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:20:20 -0800, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote:  @ >$GETUAIU/$SETUAI _will_ respect Process or other logical names.E >However, those logicals _must_ be define /EXECUTIVE, that's the key.  > ? >I won't reproduce here a complete demo, but we have an old-ish ? >program (which happens to be written in Fortran but that's not ? >relevant) which calls $GETUAI to return various items from the @ >SYSUAF & RIGHTSLIST.  It happily pulls data from the non-systemB >"master" SYSUAF & RIGHTSLIST if those logicals are defined /EXEC.A >It fails to do so if the same logicals are define wihtout /EXEC.  >  >    Regards, Ken   > Thanks for the clarification! -- I've taken this into account.
   -- Lorin   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:58:48 +0100 L From: "Jan van Mastbergen" <jan.van.mastbergen@planet.remove-the-obvious.nl> Subject: Re: HP and SAP 4 Message-ID: <_SYEd.445$J36.60@fe39.usenetserver.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1105466886.5a6aaddce3cce78e9c7c6aa1680b88e2@teranews... > John Smith wrote:  > > L > > I was flipping through a magazine this moning and came across an ad from SAP K > > which was extolling the benefits of the SAP application has provided to  HP# > > in their recent SAP conversion.  > C > Funny that you went to the "if SAP ran on VMS". To me, my initial 	 reactions I > was: considering that SAP costed HP a lot of money in lost sales, it is K > interesting that SAP would dare advertise HP as a customer since they are  not 1 > exactly a success story for SAP implementation.   E That is not so strange. Most SAP implementations are long and painful  excercises. J Rather than limitations in the software, the key question is 'How to eat a
 dinosaur?'< One bite at a time, of course or you'll have an indigestion.F Btw and even more OT, here are some SAP nicknames that crossed my path	 recently:  Sorge, Aerger un Probleme  Sanduhranzeigeprogramm Software aus Polen   Any more?  Jan van Mastbergen    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:54:16 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: IA64 versus PowerB Message-ID: <1105472644.1ba717617a3543885ed7e8b8187aad3a@teranews>  0 Interesting to compare Power to IA64 these days.  I At a time where IA64 is widthdrawing from markets, retreating to high end N computing only, it is nteresting to see Power not only stay on top of the highG end computing, but also expand at the low end, often beyond traditional  computers (eg: game consoles).  @ Today, Apple announced a cheap $500 mac (6.5 * 6.5 * 2 inches !)' http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html   L And yes, it uses older PowerPC G4 chips. But that is the way to create trulyM low cost machines, while you keep your leading edge Power5 chips for the high 
 end stuff.  J Seems to me that IA64 has no chance of survival. Power already has volumesD that IA64 can never have. There is no way that Intel can continue toC economically sink money for a chip that only gives it chip revenus.   G In the case of Alpha and Pa-Risc, the chips generated hefty profits for 6 systems and sofwtare sales at Digital/HP respectively.  K IBM not only gets the benefits of Power for its systems and software sales, E but it also has the volume sales to folks like Apple and game console J manufacturers to help lower the cost of Power. Power scales from miniatureM computers to some of the world's fastest supercomputers. It has achieved what ) IA64 had originally promised to achieve.    G And when you consider that so far, IA64 shipments have been made to key K marketing customers who probably didn't pay much for the privilege of being N poster boys for IA64, it explains why IA64 revenus are just a fraction of what they had been expected to be.   L Neither HP nor Intel can afford to give away such systems much longer beforeE customers are actually starting to be interested in paying for those.   J In 2004, both intel and HP did absolutely NOTHING to stop the rumours thatI IA64 was sinking and in fact increased those rumours with plenty of leaks L about how Itanic was not coming up  to expectations, and then retrenching itN from markets, at first, just workstations, and then small/medium size servers.  N "We are very committed to IA64" is even less credible than Compaq's statements@ of "we are very comitted to Alpha" made prior to June 25th 2001.  L Perhaps Intel had bet on AMD going belly up. (perhaps Intel had helped placeH Palmer there to help AMD's bankrupcy ?). With AMD gone, Intel could have7 slowly killed the 8086 and made IA64 industry standard.   J But as was evident last year, the introduction of AMD's 64 bit 8086 forcedN Intel to completely cancel its plans to kill the 8086 because not only had AMDK not disapeared, but they were now gaining solid ground and much credibility K with superior chips. So Intel had to do a 180 and announce a 64 bit 8086 to L stay in the competition. Another sign that Intel had given up on the bloated IA64 experiment.    I IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. In fact, I think that Alpha system ? sales might continue after HP has stopped selling IA64 systems.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:40:39 -0500 ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power* Message-ID: <41e44837@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1105472644.1ba717617a3543885ed7e8b8187aad3a@teranews...@ > it is nteresting to see Power not only stay on top of the highI > end computing, but also expand at the low end, often beyond traditional   > computers (eg: game consoles). > B > Today, Apple announced a cheap $500 mac (6.5 * 6.5 * 2 inches !)) > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html   E As you hint to, the Nintendo GameCube is powered by a 5 watt, 485 Mhz 3 'gekko' PowerPC http://www.nintendo.com/techspecgcn G A got a new one with a game and 2 consoles for $99 for a Xmass present. ) In 2002, they has already sold 10,000,000    Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:55:15 -0500 . From: "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net>3 Subject: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay , Message-ID: <34ispsF4b93gvU1@individual.net>  0 Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet.= All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two.  All items are untested.    thanks,  Kurt  0 http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:26:16 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay B Message-ID: <1105478247.b0f6641c507f66a08b948bae8df3c5d7@teranews>   "K. Marden" wrote:2 > Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet.    6 How can I view an excell spreadsheet on a VMS system ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:32:38 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay 0 Message-ID: <00A3DB83.A06D0D85@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <34ispsF4b93gvU1@individual.net>, "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net> writes:  > 1 >Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet. > >All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two. >All items are untested. >  >thanks, >Kurt  > 1 >http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls    :(   Will they ever learn...    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2005 21:55:59 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> 7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay / Message-ID: <slrncu8irf.s8.thierry@MARS.Family>   K On 2005-01-11, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: _ > In article <34ispsF4b93gvU1@individual.net>, "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net> writes:  >>2 >>Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet.? >>All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two.  >>All items are untested.  >>	 >>thanks,  >>Kurt >>2 >>http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls >  >:(  >  > Will they ever learn...   N It's a 404 anyways... but couldn't one 'DUMP' or 'strings' the file to look at
 the contents?    Thierry    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2005 22:28:24 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> 7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay / Message-ID: <slrncu8ko9.s8.thierry@MARS.Family>   K On 2005-01-11, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: c > In article <slrncu8irf.s8.thierry@MARS.Family>, Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes: M >>On 2005-01-11, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: a >>> In article <34ispsF4b93gvU1@individual.net>, "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net> writes:  >>>>4 >>>>Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet.A >>>>All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two.  >>>>All items are untested.  >>>> >>>>thanks,  >>>>Kurt >>>>4 >>>>http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls >>>  >>>:(  >>>  >>> Will they ever learn...  >>P >>It's a 404 anyways... but couldn't one 'DUMP' or 'strings' the file to look at >>the contents?  > 9 > I got it... here's your DUMP... (sans the hexadecimal):  > [Big dump]   And it's almost readable... 4 Only had tried it on some simpler xls, excuse me :-/   Thierry    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:19:22 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay 0 Message-ID: <00A3DB8A.280E93D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <slrncu8irf.s8.thierry@MARS.Family>, Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes: L >On 2005-01-11, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:` >> In article <34ispsF4b93gvU1@individual.net>, "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net> writes: >>> 3 >>>Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet. @ >>>All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two. >>>All items are untested. >>> 
 >>>thanks, >>>Kurt  >>> 3 >>>http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls  >> >>:( >> >> Will they ever learn... > O >It's a 404 anyways... but couldn't one 'DUMP' or 'strings' the file to look at  >the contents?  7 I got it... here's your DUMP... 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000160 ' ................................ 000180 ' ................................ 0001A0 ' ................................ 0001C0 ' ................................ 0001E0      --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:21:54 +0100 L From: "Jan van Mastbergen" <jan.van.mastbergen@planet.remove-the-obvious.nl>7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay 2 Message-ID: <okYEd.11$aa6.5@fe61.usenetserver.com>  3 You're being tested. If you want them bad enough...    jan , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A3DB83.A06D0D85@SendSpamHere.ORG...: > In article <34ispsF4b93gvU1@individual.net>, "K. Marden"$ <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net> writes: > > 3 > >Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet. @ > >All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two. > >All items are untested. > > 
 > >thanks, > >Kurt  > > 3 > >http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls  >  > :( >  > Will they ever learn...  >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:E >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software  product! > --  2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:32:20 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay , Message-ID: <41E48C34.5050203@tsoft-inc.com>   K. Marden wrote:   > 2 > Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet.? > All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two.  > All items are untested.  > 	 > thanks,  > Kurt > 2 > http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls  Q This may be Ok, but I'm wondering who would invoke an Excel spreadsheet over the  < internet.  For all who would, I'm selling bridges this year.   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 15:09:50 -0800$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>7 Subject: Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations C Message-ID: <1105482619.459044.182600@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Rob Brooks wrote: ( > "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:C > > In the SET DEVICE/SITE online help, there is a restriction that  this is 8 > > ignored for multi-site fibre channel configurations. > . > $ HELP SET DEVICE /SITE reads, in part . . . > A > 	This qualifier can improve read performance because the member E >        that is physically local to the system will be the preferred  disk@ >        from which to read, provided that you specify the /SITE	 qualifier G >        for each shadow set member and for the shadow set. (In a Fibre E >        Channel configuration, shadow set members at different sites F >        are directly attached to the system. For the Volume ShadowingD >        and cluster software, there is no distinction between local and ? >        remote in multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations.)  > ' > Where does it say that it is ignored?   % I took the last sentence to say that.   E > I believe that you are misunderstanding the intent of that passage.  > E > *I* take it to read that it is explaining how and why you might use  the F > SITE qualifier, in that there is no way for SHDRIVER to know whether or notC > a directly-attached Fibre Channel disk is local or remote without  some> > assistance; this command allows the user to give a "hint" to	 SHDRIVER.  > @ > Note that the preferred command syntax is SET SHADOW /SITE forG > V7.3-2 and beyond.  SET DEVICE will continue to work and be supported D > forever, but any new commands that will be added for management ofB > shadow set member units or virtual devices will be added only to
 > SET SHADOW.   B What I'm basically trying to is have a shadow set, say DSA500 thatE consists of two devices, $1$DGA100: and $1$DGA200:.  The first device E is in site 1 and the second device is in site 2.  The host will be in G one of the two sites.  I normally don't really care about MSCP-serving. C While I'm in transition, I only sort of do, but within a few months / all hosts will have fiber cards in them anyway.   / > Please let me know if the above is confusing!   D It is.  Either I'm confused (probably not for the first time) or the! documentation isn't clear enough.   D Are you saying that if I set the sysgen parameter for the host site,G and do a set shadow/site=n $1$DGAnnn that the shadow driver will prefer  reads from the local member?  C BTW, the help for SHADOW_SITE_ID in SYSGEN is incorrect.  It states ; that this is a dynamic parameter when it isn't (VMS 7.3-2).  Thanks, 
     .../Ed   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:57:33 GMT 6 From: "Anthony E. Scandora, Jr." <AEScandora2@acm.org> Subject: Need Word-11 = Message-ID: <Ne1Fd.14044$by5.2359@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>   L I've been presented with a load of valuable documentation written on an old 0 VAX in Word-11 and a serious request to read it.  J Google can't find Data Processing Design.  I found them on DECUServe, but I their 800 number is disconnected, and their 714 number is a modem or fax  2 machine.  Might that mean they're out of business?  J Does anyone know how to translate Word-11 documents to Word, WordPerfect, - RTF, DECwrite, TeX, runoff, or anything else?    Thanks, 
 Tony Scandora  AEScandora2@acm.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:52:30 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: Need Word-11 6 Message-ID: <00A3DBA7.EE0CC7A2@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  v In article <Ne1Fd.14044$by5.2359@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, "Anthony E. Scandora, Jr." <AEScandora2@acm.org> writes:M >I've been presented with a load of valuable documentation written on an old  1 >VAX in Word-11 and a serious request to read it.  > K >Google can't find Data Processing Design.  I found them on DECUServe, but  J >their 800 number is disconnected, and their 714 number is a modem or fax 3 >machine.  Might that mean they're out of business?   M No information on whether they're in business, but DPD.COM is still alive and N redirects to a page about GOLD-FAX, which is one of their products.  According% to http://www.goldfax.com/contact.asp   B  -----------------------------------------------------------------  @ Or, for immediate service, please feel free to call us directly:   Corporate Headquarters
 sales@dpd.com  Phone: +1 714 695 1000 Fax: +1 714 695 1010   DPD International, Inc.  17310 Red Hill Ave	 Suite 200  Irvine , CA 92614 B  -----------------------------------------------------------------  L Poking around their site, it looks like they're out of the Word-11 business.       > K >Does anyone know how to translate Word-11 documents to Word, WordPerfect,  . >RTF, DECwrite, TeX, runoff, or anything else?  N They used to have a VAX-only Word-11->MSWord translator, but I never found outM whether it worked or not, and apparently it wasn't popular enough for them to  port to Alpha.  M If you're trying to get mostly text out of the thing, you can use Word-11  to K print to disk as text (using DT filename), and then do whatever you want to M with the file.  (Including feeding it through ASCtoHTML and making HTML pages O that you could probably then import into Word or something.)  I wouldn't expect = this process to preserve figures or fancy formatting, though.   H Or you can make a Postscript file and turn it into a PDF of your docs, I suppose.  I We're still running Word-11 because we haven't come up with a good way to F get our scientific papers using Greek characters, etc, out of it in an? automatic way.  But we haven't been under support for 5+ years.    -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 17:44:55 -0800" From: imyaman@gmail.com (vergence)6 Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media... Should I buy it?= Message-ID: <5a1b0f1f.0501111744.72f93ec8@posting.google.com>   A At last I bought a second-hand alpha station 255. I'd like to try 5 OSF1/Digital Unix/Tru64(hobby) or OpenVMS(challenge).   ? I visited http://www.openvmshobbyist.com. and learned I can get  OpenVMS for free. B BTW, Should I buy OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media? Can I download it via	 internet?    Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:01:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media... Should I buy it?B Message-ID: <1105494634.e0ad8518f6f544430eb99c56d52822cc@teranews>   vergence wrote: D > BTW, Should I buy OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media? Can I download it via > internet?   I Yes. Having a CD with VMS on it can be extremely usefull in a catastrophe M situation where you need to have a working copy of the software. And it makes ! the initial install much simpler.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:44:17 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org runs readership survey B Message-ID: <1105468448.907f1ca25d10ebb9c1ac26163f5acaa7@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:  M > Uh.....  it isn't the target, ...  it's that fiorina and her speaches are a 4 > joke.  The URL itself is a joke.  You might agree?    I I don't see Fiorina as a joke. Her (hair) style, management style and her M goons have ensured that HP prevented VMS from  coming out of its hiding place  at Compaq and shine again.  M The "under new management" would have been the perfect excuse to fix previous 7 mistakes (such as the open word) and give VMS a chance.   N I see Fiorina, Stallard, Winkler etc as the enemy  and view their speeches andL staements as carefyully worded propaganda that sets the stage for their next3 moves, and thus must be scrutinized very carefully.   L I view VMS aws being a prisoner of war, having been captured by a competitorL and kept in a dark and humid prison cell with just basis sustinance. HP haveM done nothing to earn the respect of VMS customers. We're loyal to VMS, not to I HP. HP is a necessary evil because Digital failed under Palmer and Compaq N failed under Capellas. And hopefully Fiorina will accept some cushy governmentK job ASAP and *MAYBE* the new head of HP will bring VMS into the mainstream. ' Odds are low, but there is always hope.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:03:37 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: OT: Display technology at euro stadiums, Message-ID: <tK-dnQvZPeev0HncRVn-og@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Smith wrote: B >> A friend of mine was building and selling similar 'displays' onF >> multiple screens for public space in office buildings 20 years ago,C >> using custom hardware back then. He wrote his software in Forth.  > E > These boards are scaled to go around the football field. Not just a . > few TV sets stacked on top of each other :-) > F > More importantly, these boards are built to resist the footbal game. > A > If Canada still had hockey, would you replace the wooden boards $ > around the rink with LCD screens ?    ; I might if the rink 'boards' were made from 1" thick Lexan.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 15:01:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Problem using Pseudoterminals with Virtual Terminals 3 Message-ID: <kibGubBBfLGo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G I seem to be running up against a limitation on using a pseudo-terminal 1 and I was wondering if anyone knows a workaround:   C 	1. With an appropriate call to $CREPRC I can create an interactive @ 	   process without using a password to a username that normally? 	   requires a password and in fact is normally prohibited from  	   interactive login.  ? 	2. By sending an unsolicited carriage return through the PTD_* = 	   interface I can create an interactive process that uses a  	   virtual terminal.   > But I cannot get a virtual terminal for that no-password case.  A I have verified in the VMS V7.3-2 listings kit that the CLONE_UCB D routine in TTYSUB.LIS (that connects the Virtual UCB to the Physical* UCB) is called only for Unsolicited Input.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:34:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: Problem using Pseudoterminals with Virtual Terminals 0 Message-ID: <00A3DB83.F1EE8B6B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <kibGubBBfLGo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: H >I seem to be running up against a limitation on using a pseudo-terminal2 >and I was wondering if anyone knows a workaround: > D >	1. With an appropriate call to $CREPRC I can create an interactiveA >	   process without using a password to a username that normally @ >	   requires a password and in fact is normally prohibited from >	   interactive login.  > @ >	2. By sending an unsolicited carriage return through the PTD_*> >	   interface I can create an interactive process that uses a >	   virtual terminal. > ? >But I cannot get a virtual terminal for that no-password case.  > B >I have verified in the VMS V7.3-2 listings kit that the CLONE_UCBE >routine in TTYSUB.LIS (that connects the Virtual UCB to the Physical + >UCB) is called only for Unsolicited Input.    Ooooh!  A challenge.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:00:21 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line+ Message-ID: <cs1b8l$8nf$1@news01.intel.com>    Graham Burley wrote:   > Ken Fairfield wrote: >  > ? >>It looks like I need to do two SEARCHs to accomplish what I'm @ >>after, or READ the file after the search and write it back out  >>after skipping the empty line. >  > $ > Maybe SORT is the right tool here: > & > $ sort/spec=sys$input sysuaf.lis a.a  > /field=(name=b1, pos:1, siz:1)( > /field=(name=username, pos:22, siz:15)$ > /field=(name=privs, pos:60, siz:6)I > /cond=(name=junk, test=((username eq "Username       ") or (b1 eq ""))) / > /cond=(name=normal, test=(privs eq "Normal"))  > /omit=(cond=junk)  > /omit=(cond=normal)  > /key=username  > C > And if you're only interested in a couple of fields you could add C > the following so the output contains just the Username and Privs:  >  > /data=username
 > /data=privs     This is helpful, Graham, thanks!  B I'm already doing a SORT using a /Specification file, with definedC fields and conditions, etc., and doing a Difference on the original A file with the sorted file.   So adding the /Omit's and/or /Data's A in producing the sorted file will be easy and could be the answer  to my problem. :-)   	Thanks, Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:00:09 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line+ Message-ID: <41E484A9.5DF695DD@comcast.net>    Ken Fairfield wrote: >  > Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > > Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes in article <crn3ni$gsu$1@news01.intel.com> dated Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:50:25 -0800:  > > ; > >>$ SEARCH SYSUAF.LIS str1,str2/Match=NOR/Out=output-file  > >  > > A > >>It looks like I need to do two SEARCHs to accomplish what I'm B > >>after, or READ the file after the search and write it back out" > >>after skipping the empty line. > >  > > Y > > $ pipe SEARCH SYSUAF.LIS str1,str2/Match=NOR | SEARCH SYS$INPUT: ""/key=(pos:1,siz:1)  > > - > > It's even shorter if you use this symbol: ! > >   GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT:"  > ? > Thanks Keith, I know I can do it in two stages.  I was trying = > to avoid that, and in particular, I now always try to avoid A > using PIPE in batch jobs (where this will run).  There's a know B > issue with PIPE on SMP processors, and for reasons I don't fullyC > understand, running in batch seems to expose that issue (possibly 4 > just from building up statics on multiple runs...)  ' Tell me more, first I've heard of this.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 13:30:14 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file3 Message-ID: <E6KhBQSdxhvE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501110757540.13910@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:   G > The other job of the system manager is to make sure that untrainable  F > users like me and you and others can use the system in the way that  > they are accustomed to.   G    OK, I know some people have different kinds of jobs.  But if I can't C    train a dedicated EDT user to either enter edit/edt, or to setup F    their own logical, initialization file, or such, then they won't be    here very long.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:11:39 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file+ Message-ID: <cs1btr$919$1@news01.intel.com>    Big John wrote:    > Ken Fairfield wrote: >  >>Big John wrote:   E >>>- so that whatever your keypad 1 key sends, it will be interpreted ! >>>by the TPU file as you intend.   = >>John, have you confirmed this actually works as expected??? ? >>I seem to recall that you can't redefine the "self-inserting" : >>keys, i.e., the typing keys, letters and numbers, etc... >>> >>On a "real" VT, you couldn't tell the difference because TPU= >>puts the keypad in application mode on entry.  However, I'd 7 >>expect some complaint from the attempt to define_key.   E > Yes I have tried it and I can confirm it works. TPU has the command E > SET (SELF_INSERT,keymaplist, ON/OFF). The default is ON, but if you B > set it to OFF - as in simple.tpu, then the typing keys and stuffE > behave just like the other keys either obeying the attached command * > or returning the 'undefined key' action.  > My bad! I hadn't read your procedure in detail or I would have5 seen the SET (SELF_INSERT...) and checked it out. :-(   H > I am aware of your name as one of the pathfinders, the true stars fromH > the early days of the TPU firmament, so your memory may go deeper thanE > mine, but I am certain that this has been the case for as long as I 5 > have been using TPU (the early nineties, sometime).   C Those were the days, vmsnet.tpu/INFO-TPU, etc. :-)  My recollection : is that you contributed more than your fair share as well!B (And let's not leave out Peter W. and Bob K., as well as other old timers. :-)    	Cheers, Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 15:47:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file3 Message-ID: <1fJbxvy99Kpn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <newscache$b776ai$dx51$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >  > Come on, lets keep serious. . > btw /JTQUOTA=0 or process logical name table  B    I never turn my users loose on my system like that.  Why do you    think I'm t running UNIX?   > 4 > Using EDT keypad doesn't make the system unstable.F > And what are YOU doing ? Dictate the non EDT keypad to your users...  G    Letting them decide for themselves, just the way the help file says.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:04:45 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 92 Message-ID: <hrVEd.5538$X86.2241@news.cpqcorp.net>   Rob Young wrote:# > 	Here's an analyst's perspective:   4 Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst Toni Sacconaghi: = http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/03/analyst_downon_sunq2/ F "Sun Microsystems has benefited from some misplaced optimism and will I likely see its share price fall in the coming weeks, according to one of  ' the most respected financial analysts."   ( Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich:B http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=24824389&brk=1G "he expects an "uninspiring quarter" from Sun when it delivers results   on Jan. 13"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:34 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9, Message-ID: <-JmdnWgShcX2snncRVn-gA@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Rob Young wrote:# >> Here's an analyst's perspective:  > 5 > Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst Toni Sacconaghi: ? > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/03/analyst_downon_sunq2/ G > "Sun Microsystems has benefited from some misplaced optimism and will G > likely see its share price fall in the coming weeks, according to one , > of the most respected financial analysts." > * > Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich:D > http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=24824389&brk=1H > "he expects an "uninspiring quarter" from Sun when it delivers results
 > on Jan. 13"     J Stock prices are not necessarily a function of poor sales or poor revenue,B rather they tend to be a reflection of the correlation of investor" expectations to profits and sales.  K If the street expects 10% higher revenues and revenues come in at 8% higher I the stock could crater even if profits were higher than expected, or vice G versa. It all depends what the analysts and company have been saying to > investors in the weeks and months in advance of those reports.  K Read "Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" and "A Random Walk J Down Wall Street" for further enlightenment on the psychology of investingF and stock prices. The first book was written in 1841, while the secondC book's first edition came out in 1973 - both still hold lessons for I investors today. Bottom line - things change but human behaviour doesn't.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:24:09 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: [OT]:Perfect complement for a VMS system as clients, Message-ID: <4qydndpN_el5qHncRVn-sg@igs.net>   http://www.apple.com/macmini/     K Maybe Jobs would like to buy VMS from HP. He's got experience in bringing a  dead product back to life.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2005 12:42:30 -0800! From: "TilJ" <tillmanj@gmail.com> Y Subject: Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itn C Message-ID: <1105476150.645715.322220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   + (groups.google.com seems happy again. Odd.)   $ Anyway, here's the output requested:  " $ mcr lancp show device/param esa0   Device Parameters ESA0:  Value  Parameter -----  --------- Normal  Controller mode ' 08-00-2B-3A-0C-D4  Hardware LAN address  CSMA/CD  Communication medium   External  Internal loopback mode   $ tcpip show interface/full  Interface: LO0< IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST:
 MTU:  4096 Flags: UP LOOP NOARP MCAST SMPX  RECEIVE        SEND 2 Packets                              0           00 Errors                             0           0& Collisions:                          0  ) $ tcpip show configuration interface/full    Interface: LO0< IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST:; C_Addr:                 C_NETWRK:                 C_BRDCST:    Flags: Receive buffer:            0   Interface: SE0< IP_Addr: 192.168.23.5      NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 192.168.23.255; C_Addr:                 C_NETWRK:                 C_BRDCST:  Flags:    Receive buffer:            0    -T   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.023 ************************