0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 13 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 25      Contents: Re: ACMS and XML0 Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ???0 Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ???0 Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ???0 Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ???0 Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? Re: An interesting little SSD 0 Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 Re: DCSP and LPD problem. % Re: DECwindows window manager problem # Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 # Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 # Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 # Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 # Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 # Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 P Re: HEADS UP - Brand new white paper re: OpenVMS on Integrity Server - Total Cos Re: How to get a free iPod?  Re: IA64 versus Power  Re: IA64 versus Power  Re: IA64 versus Power  Re: IA64 versus Power  Re: IA64 versus Power . Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay Marcello blogs on HP-UX  Re: Marcello blogs on HP-UX  Re: Marcello blogs on HP-UX  Re: Marcello blogs on HP-UX  Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions @ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference Re: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2  Re: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2  Re: Sun shocka - take 9   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:39:04 -0500 1 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNOSP@Mhp.com>  Subject: Re: ACMS and XML * Message-ID: <XXmFd.3286$xC2.2626@fe05.lga>  & <bill@wcschmidt.com> wrote in message = news:1105481334.116898.312360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... D > can anybody point to some document, information of how to use ACMS# > interface with XML on Alpha VMS?"   J Can you provide us some more information about what you are attempting to H do?  There are a number of options for ACMS customer to modernize their I applications.  For example, you can use Bridgeworks to "wrap" your ACMS.  J Another alternative might be described at this page (and the links off of < it): http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/acms/acms_wls.html  K I'm actually meeting with a large ACMS customer at the end of the month to  M discuss integration of their ACMS application with modern technologies (such  I as XML).  Let us know what you want to do, and, I'll be glad to get more  	 specific.    Regards,  
 Brad McCusker  HP% Transition Engineering and Consulting 
 Nashua NH USA      > Current versions are > vms v7.3-1
 > acms v4.4-B  >  > Thanks > Bill Schmidt >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:40:11 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) 9 Subject: Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? / Message-ID: <cs3qub$g7t$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>   k In article <34l7jmF4ajnloU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  !Bob Kaplow wrote:C !> I can't remember the name of the Alphaserver console environment A !> variable to change the display ont he front of the system form F !> "Alphaserver 4100" to "Bob was here". I thought it had "console" orD !> "display" or something like that at least as part of it. It's not5 !> pre-defined, so a "SHOW *" doesn't give me a clue.  !> !> Any one remember what it is?  !>...  ! ; !IIRC it was OPC_TEXT or OPCTEXT? But I wouldn't bet on it.   & Close - OCP_TEXT is the variable name.   !  !-- 
 !Peter Weaver   !Weaver Consulting Services Inc. !Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX !www.weaverconsulting.ca !  !    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 14:10:06 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)9 Subject: Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? 3 Message-ID: <2vzSeaWcL0Zv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <cs3qub$g7t$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: m > In article <34l7jmF4ajnloU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  > !Bob Kaplow wrote:E > !> I can't remember the name of the Alphaserver console environment C > !> variable to change the display ont he front of the system form H > !> "Alphaserver 4100" to "Bob was here". I thought it had "console" orF > !> "display" or something like that at least as part of it. It's not7 > !> pre-defined, so a "SHOW *" doesn't give me a clue.  > !>! > !> Any one remember what it is?  > !>...  > ! = > !IIRC it was OPC_TEXT or OPCTEXT? But I wouldn't bet on it.  > ( > Close - OCP_TEXT is the variable name.   Thanks. That did the trick!   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  D         "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed.D         The U.S. government will lead the American people in and theD         West in general into an unbearable hell and a choking life."   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:36:32 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) 9 Subject: Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? / Message-ID: <cs4590$iu0$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>   j In article <2vzSeaWcL0Zv@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:j !In article <cs3qub$g7t$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:n !> In article <34l7jmF4ajnloU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes: !> !Bob Kaplow wrote: F !> !> I can't remember the name of the Alphaserver console environmentD !> !> variable to change the display ont he front of the system formI !> !> "Alphaserver 4100" to "Bob was here". I thought it had "console" or G !> !> "display" or something like that at least as part of it. It's not 8 !> !> pre-defined, so a "SHOW *" doesn't give me a clue. !> !> " !> !> Any one remember what it is? !> !>... !> !> !> !IIRC it was OPC_TEXT or OPCTEXT? But I wouldn't bet on it. !>  ) !> Close - OCP_TEXT is the variable name.  !  !Thanks. That did the trick! !   N So - what did you change the display to read?  Inquiring minds want to know...   !snip!   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 20:01:46 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)9 Subject: Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? 3 Message-ID: <jxYFcI9L6Zy2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <cs4590$iu0$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: + > !> Close - OCP_TEXT is the variable name.  > !Thanks. That did the trick!P > So - what did you change the display to read?  Inquiring minds want to know...  - Something boring... <nodename>.<corpname>.COM   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         It had become an universal and almost uncontroverted position inG         the several States, that the purposes of society do not require E         a surrender of all our rights to our ordinary governors; that H         there are certain portions of right not necessary to enable themE         to carry on an effective government, and which experience has F         nevertheless proved they will be constantly encroaching on, ifC         submitted to them; that there are also certain fences which G         experience has proved peculiarly efficacious against wrong, and H         rarely obstructive of right, which yet the governing powers haveC         ever shown a disposition to weaken and remove. Of the first H         kind, for instance, is freedom of religion; of the second, trialF         by jury, habeas corpus laws, free presses. -- Thomas Jefferson   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:12:26 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>9 Subject: Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? + Message-ID: <41E5D90A.B2A63D7D@comcast.net>    Bob Kaplow wrote:  > k > In article <cs4590$iu0$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: - > > !> Close - OCP_TEXT is the variable name.   > > !Thanks. That did the trick!R > > So - what did you change the display to read?  Inquiring minds want to know... > / > Something boring... <nodename>.<corpname>.COM    *Yawn*   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:46:30 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: An interesting little SSD1 Message-ID: <aNhFd.5703$Ff7.961@news.cpqcorp.net>    John Smith wrote: I > Could something like this work on an Integrity server with VMS, perhaps 8 > something similar in concept if not this exact device?  C I'm not aware of any work within HP to officially qualify SSDs for  G OpenVMS since Quantum pulled out of the SSD business (Quantum made the  A EZ series of StorageWorks SSDs), but some folks do use SSDs with  H OpenVMS. See http://utahstatetoday.usu.edu/inthenews/ for stories about A Utah State University's experience. This site used Bitmicro (see  B http://bitmicro.com/) SSDs. Another manufacturer which officially G supports their SSDs for use with OpenVMS is Texas Memory Systems, Inc.   (see http://texmemsys.com/)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:11:03 GMT ( From: "Nemo Oudeheis" <nikogo@nigde.net>9 Subject: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 > Message-ID: <XMkFd.19073$dt3.1434046@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K Having forgotten most of the little I ever knew about VMS (in the 80's), I  F have now been asked to lend a hand at getting a legacy medical system J running again.  This consists of a Microvax controlling a scanner device, 7 and writing graphical output to an Epson RX-80 printer.   K The scanner works fine; but anything PRINTed stalls the print queue.  This  D printer is (atypically) a serial device, and quite possibly not the 8 identically same one that used to work in times of yore.  1 In particular, the questions that come to me are:   K How can I be sure that the serial port controller is configured to talk to  @ the printer at the correct bit rate, parity, flow control, etc.?  2 Is there such a command as: SET PRINTER/RX lpa0: ?  E How can I be sure of which logical device name to use?  Do I have to  F ALLOCATE it myself, or some such?  How can I be sure that this is the  correct serial port?  9 How do I bind the logical device name to the print queue?   F Can anyone baby-step me through a process of configuring this printer?     Thanks in advance!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:34:33 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: DCSP and LPD problem.+ Message-ID: <41E5D029.4CD5BECE@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: I > > it does not document a standard: Quoting from the text: "This memo is E > > for informational purposes only, and does not specify an Internet : > > standard." RFC1179 indicates that it is the product ofB > > reverse-engineering and is based on another person's research. > G > RFCs are as good as standards, especially this one which has not been & > complemented/replaced by newer ones.  A ...but can, therefore, be interpreted quite loosely, resulting in F reduced inter-operability (try to think like Micro$lop, and you'll see- what I mean), as we have seen in this thread.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:48:19 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: DECwindows window manager problem, Message-ID: <41E570F0.86A160DE@teksavvy.com>    martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk wrote:B > Is it possible that the definition of DECW$USER_DEFAULTS in your4 > LOGIN.COM is only being set for INTERACTIVE jobs -  4 It is not only possible, but that *WAS* the case....  N I put the decw logical definitiosn in my login.com outside of the "interactiveK only" zone and low and behold, restarting the window manager gave me my own  colours !!!!  X (they were defined/job so I thought it would apply to anything started from my session).  K It seems that even when you specify a detached type of application startup, L the session manager still keeps tabs on the process and it also has your own normal job table.   H The one application I had problems with was decw$terminal which seems toK insist on fetching its user defaulst in my sys$login, but when I save them, 1 they go to to the decw$user_defaulst directory...   L In terms of the MWMEX process, well, STOP/ID isn't so bad. But I wonder whatM would happen if I were to leave it lying around when I next restart to window F manager, at whcih point the ending window manager would not succeed inL renaming itself and that would cause the newly created on to fail due to the process name already existing.  F I would probably fix this by making sure that there is a LOGOUT in theN VUE$LIBRARY:VUE$MWM.COM file after the image has exited. This way that processB wouldn't return to the ession manager and stay there indefinitely.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:18:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100, Message-ID: <41E57802.926E802B@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote:= > The VAXstation graphics do not have the logic to remove the 3 > sync signals that trigger one of the sleep modes.   L Well that's it then. I won't buy any more Vaxstations from HP anymore if youB guys can't upgrade them to be energystar compliant :-) :-) :-) ;-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:20:16 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 31001 Message-ID: <QgiFd.5710$Qg7.694@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: N > Well that's it then. I won't buy any more Vaxstations from HP anymore if youD > guys can't upgrade them to be energystar compliant :-) :-) :-) ;-)  H Whenever you want the monitor to go into power-save mode, please enable G Energy Star operation by properly setting the VAXstation's Energy Star  C Enable switch. You don't even have to open the case to get at this  E switch. You can recognize it because it's a rocker switch with "0/1"  9 markings. Energy Star is Enabled in the "0" position. :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:45:07 +0100 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 31007 Message-ID: <41e5b683$0$43102$d5255a0c@news.wanadoo.nl>    Keith Parris wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote:  > I >> Well that's it then. I won't buy any more Vaxstations from HP anymore  	 >> if you E >> guys can't upgrade them to be energystar compliant :-) :-) :-) ;-)  >  > J > Whenever you want the monitor to go into power-save mode, please enable I > Energy Star operation by properly setting the VAXstation's Energy Star  E > Enable switch. You don't even have to open the case to get at this  G > switch. You can recognize it because it's a rocker switch with "0/1"  ; > markings. Energy Star is Enabled in the "0" position. :-)   C Cool. That works. It even puts the harddrive in powersave mode. :-D    -- Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:55:58 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100, Message-ID: <41E5B90E.3020905@tsoft-inc.com>   Keith Parris wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote:  > I >> Well that's it then. I won't buy any more Vaxstations from HP anymore  	 >> if you E >> guys can't upgrade them to be energystar compliant :-) :-) :-) ;-)  >  > J > Whenever you want the monitor to go into power-save mode, please enable I > Energy Star operation by properly setting the VAXstation's Energy Star  E > Enable switch. You don't even have to open the case to get at this  G > switch. You can recognize it because it's a rocker switch with "0/1"  ; > markings. Energy Star is Enabled in the "0" position. :-)   K Yep!  It also puts the computer into extreme power saving mode.  Some side  R benefits include no backups, batch jobs, or any other such troublesome stuff.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:28:15 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 31007 Message-ID: <3f119ada0501121628685d412e@mail.gmail.com>   K > > Whenever you want the monitor to go into power-save mode, please enable J > > Energy Star operation by properly setting the VAXstation's Energy StarF > > Enable switch. You don't even have to open the case to get at thisH > > switch. You can recognize it because it's a rocker switch with "0/1"= > > markings. Energy Star is Enabled in the "0" position. :-)  > L > Yep!  It also puts the computer into extreme power saving mode.  Some sideT > benefits include no backups, batch jobs, or any other such troublesome stuff.  :-)  ? It also sets the "Reduced Security Level" bit to 0, and the box F becomes literally unhackable. Note that this method works for any box,E no matter the OS installed. Unfortunately, in this power-saving mode, A performance is reduced to .01 - .5 MilliStoneHenges, depending on D physical size of the box or system cabinet(s), with accuracy varying. widely depending on actual physical placement.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:41:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100, Message-ID: <41E5C3BE.E5A7B124@teksavvy.com>   Alex van Denzel wrote:F > > Enable switch. You don't even have to open the case to get at thisH > > switch. You can recognize it because it's a rocker switch with "0/1"= > > markings. Energy Star is Enabled in the "0" position. :-)  > E > Cool. That works. It even puts the harddrive in powersave mode. :-D   L Should I call support to report a bug ? When I do that, the keyboard becomesN unresponsive, must be a bug in the VMS driver that controls the sleep mode :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:27:18 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> Y Subject: Re: HEADS UP - Brand new white paper re: OpenVMS on Integrity Server - Total Cos 8 Message-ID: <metau0d2dm4rufetn8l29i0t0qc5gsj7g4@4ax.com>  P On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:28:00 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:  ? >How does the TCO of VMS/Itanium vs. VMS/Alpha compare, however   O Much cheaper! HW cheaper, OS licenses much cheaper but all the other stuff like 5 cost of staff to manage the systems remains the same.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 22:20:07 -0800 From: dotdotcircle@gmail.com$ Subject: Re: How to get a free iPod?B Message-ID: <1105597207.783089.45270@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  ) http://www.freephotoiPods.com/?r=13114624    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:38:39 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power* Message-ID: <41E56EB0.1070402@prodigy.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:O > In article <41E54FDE.3020205@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:  >  >>Keith Parris wrote:  >> >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>>  >>> * >>>>IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. >>>  >>>  >>>Not true. >>> L >>>Intel makes (and promotes) IA64. Although DEC did a dog-and-pony show in K >>>the early '90s to try to get Intel to adopt Alpha, that attempt failed.  L >>>In contrast, HP was successful in getting Intel to not only adopt but to  >>>co-develop Itanium. >>> E >>>Despite DEC's efforts, Alpha remained tied to a specific computer  E >>>manufacturer. Itanium is now independent of any specific computer   >>>manufacturer. >>B >>What other chip manufacturer can one turn to as a second source? >  > $ > Keith said "computer", not "chip".  B It's just as bad to be a slave to a single chip manufacturer as itD is to be a slave to a single computer manufacturer, and for the same reasons.   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 15:09:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power3 Message-ID: <VqtI9ZQC$cWY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <41E56EB0.1070402@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:   D > It's just as bad to be a slave to a single chip manufacturer as itF > is to be a slave to a single computer manufacturer, and for the same
 > reasons.  E What other CPUs besides the 8086 family meet your requirements then ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:51:13 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power, Message-ID: <41E5B7F1.2070309@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > E >>>It's just as bad to be a slave to a single chip manufacturer as it G >>>is to be a slave to a single computer manufacturer, and for the same  >>>reasons.  >>> G >>What other CPUs besides the 8086 family meet your requirements then ?  >> > 9 > Sparc is available from multiple sources at the moment.  > O > PowerPC *was* available from multiple sources, until Motorola decided to stop  > making it. >   Q Well, Alpha was available from DEC, as well as Intel, IBM, and Samsung if you're   going to look at it that way.   I It's even worse to only have 1 CPU maker.  Even with IA-64, there can be  8 multiple box makers, but they all are shackled to Intel.  M In the x86 arena, the competition provided by AMD keeps inovation moving and  S prices down.  Yeah, on the outside it's the same thing, which is good in some ways.    Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:45:19 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power* Message-ID: <41E5D2AF.4020603@prodigy.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:O > In article <41E56EB0.1070402@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:  >  > D >>It's just as bad to be a slave to a single chip manufacturer as itF >>is to be a slave to a single computer manufacturer, and for the same
 >>reasons. >  > G > What other CPUs besides the 8086 family meet your requirements then ?    SPARC    --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 21:27:23 -0800 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au Subject: Re: IA64 versus PowerB Message-ID: <1105594043.588210.63730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote: * > > IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. >  > Not true.  > G > Intel makes (and promotes) IA64. Although DEC did a dog-and-pony show  inA > the early '90s to try to get Intel to adopt Alpha, that attempt  failed. G > In contrast, HP was successful in getting Intel to not only adopt but  to > co-develop Itanium.  > C > Despite DEC's efforts, Alpha remained tied to a specific computer C > manufacturer. Itanium is now independent of any specific computer  > manufacturer.  > E > Alpha lost Windows support. [PowerPC lost Windows support, too.] In @ > contrast, Microsoft continues to sell Windows [2003 Server] on Itanium.2 Though the vast majority of windows runs on IA-32,A the nt/2000/xp line was designed to be run on multiple platforms, @ and builds for alpha and powerpc continued to be done long after? their product was "discontinued". I'm sure that microsoft could 3 re-activate either if the market (and $) was there. 6 The new xbox is supposed to run with an NT/PPC kernel,- so maybe they will get the volume out of that  Phil   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:44:25 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay 1 Message-ID: <newscache$02w7ai$g0c1$1@news.sil.at>   r In article <1105478247.b0f6641c507f66a08b948bae8df3c5d7@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >"K. Marden" wrote: 3 >> Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet.  > 7 >How can I view an excell spreadsheet on a VMS system ?   + A good opportunity to remind you all of the C Spreadsheet Program XESS (currently V5) from AIS http://www.ais.com    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:54:47 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Marcello blogs on HP-UX, Message-ID: <Pr6dnXQFHoMwN3jcRVn-tg@igs.net>  F http://devresource.hp.com/blogs/marcello/2005/01/10/1105374282000.html   ....L "When you look at the UNIX market, HP has about a third of it today. Sun andF IBM have about the same. My overall view is that there will be furtherL consolidation in the marketplace going forward, probably down to two primaryJ players. We are investing a billion dollars per year to make sure we fully= realize the benefits of the consolidation as it occurs. ...."   * How much does VMS get vs. PH-UX's billion?  K "We have over a thousand dedicated software developers working on HP-UX 11i > enhancements and we have a very robust roadmap going forward."   How many in the VMS team?       H "Our UNIX share is mostly HP-UX 11i, but there is also a portion that isH Alpha based. In the last three years, we have lost less than 2% (or lessI than 12!) of our top 660 AlphaServer customers - well within the industry K average for movement among competitors. Our success here is due to a really E cool program called Alpha RetainTrust (ART) which not only ensures we C deliver really great products but ensures we have the applications, D transition tools, resources, and business practices that support ourA customers when they're ready to make a transition to Integrity. "       L Why should a customer have switched when they had the best unix and also hadK a solemn guarantee for the past 3 years that TruClusters were going to make I it into the unified Tru64/HP-UX offering? It'll be interesting to see the F attrition rate of the top 660 Tru64/Alpha customer over the next year.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:08 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> $ Subject: Re: Marcello blogs on HP-UX* Message-ID: <0ViFd.7383$u47.7075@trnddc09>   >> How many in the VMS team?  I I'm surprised you're not asking how many are left, and how many are there  going to be a year from now.  # I'd like to see the answer to that.   E Maybe you can ask during the world-wide question time next week after 
 Carly's talk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:39:44 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Re: Marcello blogs on HP-UX= Message-ID: <5aCdnSKaSpvNXnjcRVn-sQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Smith wrote:    ...   J > "Our UNIX share is mostly HP-UX 11i, but there is also a portion that isJ > Alpha based. In the last three years, we have lost less than 2% (or lessK > than 12!) of our top 660 AlphaServer customers - well within the industry M > average for movement among competitors. Our success here is due to a really G > cool program called Alpha RetainTrust (ART) which not only ensures we E > deliver really great products but ensures we have the applications, F > transition tools, resources, and business practices that support ourC > customers when they're ready to make a transition to Integrity. "  >  >  > N > Why should a customer have switched when they had the best unix and also hadM > a solemn guarantee for the past 3 years that TruClusters were going to make K > it into the unified Tru64/HP-UX offering? It'll be interesting to see the H > attrition rate of the top 660 Tru64/Alpha customer over the next year.  E Well, that's one issue.  The other is what Tru64 system revenues are  L today vs. what they were prior to the Alphacide (about $3 billion annually).  I It's easy to claim that you haven't lost *customers* when said customers  H didn't immediately throw away their Tru64 systems in a fit of pique but I instead decided to get the rest of the useful life out of them.  Whether  I they're still purchasing replacements and additions at anything like the  H previous rate is an entirely different kettle of fish, and says a great $ deal more about the probable future.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:18:56 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: Marcello blogs on HP-UX, Message-ID: <41E5CC78.BF1C4A7B@teksavvy.com>  L > > Alpha based. In the last three years, we have lost less than 2% (or lessM > > than 12!) of our top 660 AlphaServer customers - well within the industry   J One June 25 2001, Compaq announced it would visit its top key customers to2 explain the situation (and ofer some sweet deals).  I Of course if you're going to offer free upgrades and lots of goodies, the L customers would stay with Alpha as long as possible. But How much did CompaqN lose in new sales, and how much did it lose in its total installed base  which9 should have been a bit more than 660 customers worldwide.     D Underestimating customers's ability to detect blatant spin will hurtM Marcello's image. But then again, maybe he is hoping to advance big time when < Carly leaves and cause a giant game of musical chairs at HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:33:19 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Microvax II questions, Message-ID: <41E5B3BD.DB7CF3D1@teksavvy.com>  L In order to further my knowledge of the state of the art all mighty Microvax II, I have a few questions ...     There are 2 clocks,  	one at 614.4000 khz   	and one at : 40.00000 mhz  9 I take it the 40mhz one is the main clock for the MVII ?   What is the .6144mhz one for ?  N There are 3 purple chips in the middle. 2 large and one smaller one. I take itM that the vax was implemented as 3 chips ? ( I think that the Microvax's claim K to fame was the first vax to be on a single board, right ?) Which Vax model 4 was the first one to have the VAX on a single chip ?  N One of the larger and the smaller chips were made in japan, and the middle oneD , having a partially copper top, has an inscription that begins withN LSILIA0485 and 21-23413-01 below. If this is the guts of the microvax II, what do the other 2 chips do ? ; (the smaller one is 212632201, the bigger one is 212338901)     N If I were to dip the board in liquid nitrogen for cooling, could I replace theI 40mhz clock with say, a 1.4gHz clock and get my All migthy Microvax II to & outspeed a Alpha EV7 ? :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:58:10 +0100 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions7 Message-ID: <41e5b993$0$74648$d5255a0c@news.wanadoo.nl>    JF Mezei wrote:   P > If I were to dip the board in liquid nitrogen for cooling, could I replace theK > 40mhz clock with say, a 1.4gHz clock and get my All migthy Microvax II to ( > outspeed a Alpha EV7 ? :-) :-) :-) :-)  F I guess a double in clock speed will be feasible, but for any more, I A assume the difference in wire lengths between components (on the  @ backplane as well as on the circuit board) and the variation in F impedance and capacitance between wires will degrade signal stability " too much for successful operation.   -- Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:07:27 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions, Message-ID: <41E5BBBF.2070202@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   N > In order to further my knowledge of the state of the art all mighty Microvax! > II, I have a few questions ...   >  > There are 2 clocks,  > 	one at 614.4000 khz   > 	and one at : 40.00000 mhz > ; > I take it the 40mhz one is the main clock for the MVII ?    > What is the .6144mhz one for ? > P > There are 3 purple chips in the middle. 2 large and one smaller one. I take itO > that the vax was implemented as 3 chips ? ( I think that the Microvax's claim M > to fame was the first vax to be on a single board, right ?) Which Vax model 6 > was the first one to have the VAX on a single chip ?    P Tough question for this feeble old mind.  I think it was the c-mos chip used in M the MicroVAX 3100, VAXstation 3100, and other systems of that time.  Another  = possibility is the VAX 3300 and 3400.  It's been a long time.     P > One of the larger and the smaller chips were made in japan, and the middle oneF > , having a partially copper top, has an inscription that begins withP > LSILIA0485 and 21-23413-01 below. If this is the guts of the microvax II, what > do the other 2 chips do ? = > (the smaller one is 212632201, the bigger one is 212338901)     N Can't be sure.  I think that maybe the MVII used 2 chips, a seperate chip for Q floating point.  Then again, I could be far off, that was a really long time ago.     P > If I were to dip the board in liquid nitrogen for cooling, could I replace theK > 40mhz clock with say, a 1.4gHz clock and get my All migthy Microvax II to ( > outspeed a Alpha EV7 ? :-) :-) :-) :-) > 2 Depends how big of a cannon you shoot them out of.     Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:10:36 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions' Message-ID: <41E5D89C.4080300@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   M >In order to further my knowledge of the state of the art all mighty Microvax   >II, I have a few questions ...  >  >There are 2 clocks,   >	one at 614.4000 khz  >	and one at : 40.00000 mhz  > : >I take it the 40mhz one is the main clock for the MVII ?  >What is the .6144mhz one for ?  >    > A If I were to guess, it is probably the TOY clock so that time is  I retained, and maintained, while the system is shutdown and powered off...    Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:21:05 -0700  From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions3 Message-ID: <BOlFd.307$aa6.0@fe61.usenetserver.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   N > In order to further my knowledge of the state of the art all mighty Microvax! > II, I have a few questions ...   >  > There are 2 clocks,  > 	one at 614.4000 khz   > 	and one at : 40.00000 mhz > ; > I take it the 40mhz one is the main clock for the MVII ?    > What is the .6144mhz one for ? > P > There are 3 purple chips in the middle. 2 large and one smaller one. I take itO > that the vax was implemented as 3 chips ? ( I think that the Microvax's claim M > to fame was the first vax to be on a single board, right ?) Which Vax model 6 > was the first one to have the VAX on a single chip ? > P > One of the larger and the smaller chips were made in japan, and the middle oneF > , having a partially copper top, has an inscription that begins withP > LSILIA0485 and 21-23413-01 below. If this is the guts of the microvax II, what > do the other 2 chips do ? = > (the smaller one is 212632201, the bigger one is 212338901)   D I could be completely wong, but it sounds like you're describing theH second version of the ka630. You should have a PCB number, which sounds ) like 50-16523-02, m7606 on the handle ... A (the version 1, which is the 50-16523-01, had only two big ASICs) G The VAX CPU is BTW, one of the smaller chips, and the FPU is the other    one with the heat sink on it ...  E The three ASICs you mentioned are for memory control, timing, bus ...   4 And, the 40 MHz would be somekind of a dream too ;-)C It is a 40 MHz crystal, but divided, divided, and divided until you A get to a cpu cycle time of 200ns. (Whatever cpu cycle means here)    cheers   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:32:47 -0800 1 From: "Daniel Lang" <invalid@invalid.caltech.edu> " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions+ Message-ID: <cs4tlk$h1g$1@naig.caltech.edu>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:41E5B3BD.DB7CF3D1@teksavvy.com...F > In order to further my knowledge of the state of the art all mighty 
 > Microvax  > II, I have a few questions ... >  > There are 2 clocks,  > one at 614.4000 khz  > and one at : 40.00000 mhz  > : > I take it the 40mhz one is the main clock for the MVII ?  > What is the .6144mhz one for ? >   K The 614.4 KHz clock is probably for the UART (614400/16 = 38.4 Kbaud, etc).    Daniel Lang    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:52:27 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference 1 Message-ID: <v_gFd.5687$Ga7.147@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: H > Ok, so the ad appears on the very front page of the on-line. ThereforeK > doubtful that the event will feature VMS much. But we could be surprised.   C You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.   http://www.hp.com/go/agility   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:24:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference , Message-ID: <41E5A377.C526DFD3@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: D > You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast. > http://www.hp.com/go/agility  C Ok, it is likely to be after the airbus event so maybe I can watch.   M However, the page you point to has just a "tune in" picture. Do you know what J technology will be offered for the web cast ? Any change they will provide; real player, or will it be that dangerous microsoft thing ?   M Do you know how long before the actual webcats the feed will be available ? I N need a few minutes to reverse engineer thwir usually terrible HTML to find the; actual feed's URL to feed into the microsoft player thingy.   L When you say I will be plesantly surprised, does this mean that this is when4 Carly finally announces the retirement of IA64 ? :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2005 22:27:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference , Message-ID: <34lmi8F4cf9ifU1@individual.net>  , In article <41E5A377.C526DFD3@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Keith Parris wrote: E >> You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.  >> http://www.hp.com/go/agility  > N > When you say I will be plesantly surprised, does this mean that this is when6 > Carly finally announces the retirement of IA64 ? :-)  E I think "surprised, and pleassantly so" to this audience would likely F be the announcement that VMS was being sold/turned over to someone who5 would seriously market, develop and move it forward!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 17:22:28 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference 3 Message-ID: <opd4T3ux79F2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <v_gFd.5687$Ga7.147@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote: I >> Ok, so the ad appears on the very front page of the on-line. Therefore L >> doubtful that the event will feature VMS much. But we could be surprised. > E > You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.   > http://www.hp.com/go/agility  H Why ?   Has HP changed "webcast" vendors so they are now accessible from non-Microsoft machines ?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 17:27:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference 3 Message-ID: <pG$6SKxBQkfR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <opd4T3ux79F2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: g > In article <v_gFd.5687$Ga7.147@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote:J >>> Ok, so the ad appears on the very front page of the on-line. ThereforeM >>> doubtful that the event will feature VMS much. But we could be surprised.  >>  F >> You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.  >> http://www.hp.com/go/agility  > J > Why ?   Has HP changed "webcast" vendors so they are now accessible from > non-Microsoft machines ?  8 Actually, the cited web page shows me a clock that says:   	 Event Countdown  	00 : 00 : 00 : 00 	Days Hrs  Min  Sec   A But it said the same thing 5 minutes ago, so I guess the event is  permanently delayed :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:45:41 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference , Message-ID: <41E5B6A5.9050904@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  . > In article <41E5A377.C526DFD3@teksavvy.com>,2 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  >>Keith Parris wrote:  >>E >>>You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.  >>>http://www.hp.com/go/agility  >>> N >>When you say I will be plesantly surprised, does this mean that this is when6 >>Carly finally announces the retirement of IA64 ? :-) >> > G > I think "surprised, and pleassantly so" to this audience would likely H > be the announcement that VMS was being sold/turned over to someone who7 > would seriously market, develop and move it forward!!     O If we're declaring our fantasies here, how about announcing the end for HP-UX,  L and the conversion path will be to VMS, which will become HP's flagship OS? Q Include all the little things from over the years such as "VMS version 7.2, what  . Microsoft hopes Windows NT version 8 will be".  O Ok, if they just start marketing VMS, I will be pleasantly surprised.  If they  M tout it's features in comparison to the competition, I'll reach for my heart  < medicine.  Now I'm in trouble, cause I don't have such.  :-)   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:08:53 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference * Message-ID: <41E5BC15.40004@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  e > In article <opd4T3ux79F2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > g >>In article <v_gFd.5687$Ga7.147@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:  >> >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>> J >>>>Ok, so the ad appears on the very front page of the on-line. ThereforeM >>>>doubtful that the event will feature VMS much. But we could be surprised.  >>>>F >>>You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.  >>>http://www.hp.com/go/agility  >>> J >>Why ?   Has HP changed "webcast" vendors so they are now accessible from >>non-Microsoft machines ? >> > : > Actually, the cited web page shows me a clock that says: >  > 	 Event Countdown  > 	00 : 00 : 00 : 00 > 	Days Hrs  Min  Sec  > C > But it said the same thing 5 minutes ago, so I guess the event is  > permanently delayed :-)  >   / Maybe you're moving away from it at lightspeed?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:45:57 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference + Message-ID: <41E5D2D5.2F6385A4@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > . > In article <41E5A377.C526DFD3@teksavvy.com>,9 >         JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > > Keith Parris wrote: G > >> You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast. ! > >> http://www.hp.com/go/agility  > > P > > When you say I will be plesantly surprised, does this mean that this is when8 > > Carly finally announces the retirement of IA64 ? :-) > G > I think "surprised, and pleassantly so" to this audience would likely H > be the announcement that VMS was being sold/turned over to someone who7 > would seriously market, develop and move it forward!!   C To me, it would mean rather more than an insider can imagine, since B insiders tend to feel rather secure in their jobs (much like their, colleagues who now work elsewhere once did).  4 To me, "surprised, and pleasantly so" would include:  * o Active, ubiquitous, aggressive marketing  G o Investments in an IA32 port that the industry as a whole would likely # consider "insane", "quixotic", etc.    o The return of Alpha   D o An abandonment of ivy-league "biz school" thinking and a return toB common-sense, entrepreneurial management (which may even be virgin territory for VMS).   ( ...and things even *I* dare not dream...  F In short, "surprised, and pleasantly so" would constitute a 180-degreeH turn-about for VMS and related hardware: the most fantastic - and by far# the most profitable - of fantasies.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 13:18:13 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)& Subject: Re: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-23 Message-ID: <VPheXUor6Zil@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <ddf392ea.0501120629.6af1294a@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes: R > IS there any application or procedure to enable Pipe commands in VAX/VMS 5.5-2 ?  G It's not quite pipe, but I've got this command file from years ago that - implements something close for older VAXen...    $! pipe.com   $ save_verify :='F$VERIFY("NO")'7 $ facility=F$PARSE(F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE"),,,"NAME") @ $ tmp_file="SYS$SCRATCH:"+F$GETJPI("","PID")+"$"+facility+".TMP" $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO CLEAN_UP ! $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO CLEAN_UP  $LOOP1: 6 $ IF "''P1'" .EQS. "" THEN INQUIRE P1 "Search string "% $ IF "''P1'" .EQS. "" THEN GOTO LOOP1  $LOOP2: 6 $ IF "''P2'" .EQS. "" THEN INQUIRE P2 "      Command "% $ IF "''P2'" .EQS. "" THEN GOTO LOOP2  $ DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT 'tmp_file'$ $ 'P2' 'P3' 'P4' 'P5' 'P6' 'P7' 'P8' $ DEASSIGN SYS$OUTPUT  $ SEA 'tmp_file' 'P1' 
 $CLEAN_UP: $ DEASSIGN SYS$OUTPUT H $ IF F$SEARCH(tmp_file) .NES. "" THEN DELETE /noconf /nolog 'tmp_file';*  $ IF save_verify THEN SET VERIFY  ( $ @pipe string command param param param  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  D         "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed.D         The U.S. government will lead the American people in and theD         West in general into an unbearable hell and a choking life."   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 15:26:09 -0800- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) & Subject: Re: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0501121526.26c811f5@posting.google.com>   : I installed Adv_Pipe, but when I run it, I get this error:  2 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image PWRK$CSSHRO -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file VAX01$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]PWRK$CSSHR.EXE;1 < -SYSTEM-W-SYSVERDIF, system version mismatch - please relink  8  relinking program I get the same error - any solution ?    o kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) wrote in message news:<VPheXUor6Zil@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > > "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed.F >         The U.S. government will lead the American people in and theF >         West in general into an unbearable hell and a choking life."   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2005 19:42:17 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)  Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 93 Message-ID: <JpaTjcs63PLp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <QuidnTK1LcpUrn3cRVn-3Q@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:N > It's funny in a way but Sun's decline, in part, came to be precisely becauseM > Sun was so successful at selling their servers to most of the .emerging com N > companies. The only problem was that when the .com's became .bombs there wasK > a huge influx of basically new equipment in the liqudation market at fire J > sale prices. How could Sun, or indeed just about anyone sell new serversL > into a market glutted with almost new gear? All the major vendors were hit > by this same phenomenon.  D I have my theory as to what caused the .com bubble to burst: Y2K! InG 1997-1999 companies that never had money to spend on computer upgrades, D government or private, all got it by saying Y2K. Everyone shot theirI collective wad. They all got new hardware, and were out of the market for  3-5 years or more.    J Think what business would be like in 2005 for GM and Ford and Toyota et alK if gas were to change in 2005 and everyone in the country (or world) had to J replace their cars and trucks in 2005. They'd all be rolling in cash. Now,E what would it be like for them on 2006, 2007, and for the rest of the E decade? .bust, just like the computer companies have seen so far this  decade.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         It had become an universal and almost uncontroverted position inG         the several States, that the purposes of society do not require E         a surrender of all our rights to our ordinary governors; that H         there are certain portions of right not necessary to enable themE         to carry on an effective government, and which experience has F         nevertheless proved they will be constantly encroaching on, ifC         submitted to them; that there are also certain fences which G         experience has proved peculiarly efficacious against wrong, and H         rarely obstructive of right, which yet the governing powers haveC         ever shown a disposition to weaken and remove. Of the first H         kind, for instance, is freedom of religion; of the second, trialF         by jury, habeas corpus laws, free presses. -- Thomas Jefferson   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.025 ************************