0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 13 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 26      Contents:4 Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-804 Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-804 Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-804 Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-804 Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80% Re: DECwindows window manager problem  DS10L variants# Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100  Re: IA64 versus Power , Re: J F lecturing on respect and netiquette!/ JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor 3 Re: JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor 3 Re: JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor . Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay' Maytag Store, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. Rt. 309  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Need Word-11@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference@ Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference* OpenVMS Licensing Reserve/Include Priority Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file " Subversion client build on OpenVMS& Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMS& Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMS& Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMS& Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMS& Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMS TCPIP SSH failure logging   Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 04:26:48 -0600- From: jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) = Subject: Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 $ Message-ID: <41e64ce8$1_2@127.0.0.1>  ! (In case previous attempt failed)   L Here is what you need when you system boots: (example taken from my system):  $ $DEVMATRIX = "TXA6:"	 ! LA75 printer $!H $ SET TERMINAL 'DEVMATRIX /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /WRAP /FORM /NOTAB -E       /LOWER /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC /SPEED=(9600) /WIDTH=(80) /PAGE=(12) - !       /DEV=LA75 /NOECHO /PERM      $!8 $ SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(MATRIX,SYS$SYSDEVICE:) 'DEVMATRIX $START/QUEUE     And to create the queue :   E $define/form LABELS 57 /Description="40char*12line labels"/LENGTH=12- D         /MARGIN=(bottom=1,top=1,left=0,right=0)/SETUP=LINES-PAGE-12-         /NOTRUNCATE/WIDTH=40 $! $DEVMATRIX == "TXA6:" L $INITIALIZE /QUEUE /FORM=LABELS/DEFAULT=(nofeed,form=LABELS)/ON='DEVMATRIX -?  /NOSEPARATE /PROT=(W:RW) /separate=(noburst,noflag,notrailer)- H  /DESCRIPTION="LA75 LABELS (12 lignes-40 caractres/label)"/START MATRIX $!    N On modern versions of VMS, you only need to define it once. On older versions,A  you'd define it after setting the serial ports during each boot.   ? For the SET TERMINAL  (HELP SET TERM gives you plenty of info):   J /HOSTSYNC/TTSYBNC is for bidirectional x-on xoff flow control. You may not want /WRAP.   A HELP INIT/QUEUE gives you plenty of info on setting up the queue.   K You must set the terminal characteristics before you set the device spooled  and start the F queue (otherwise the symbiont takes control of the queue and you can't change it anymore).   E You can start tests before setting up the queues with the followiong:  ALLOC TXA6:  SET TERM TXA6 /whatever  COPY smalltextfile.txt TXA6:
 DEALLOC TXA6:     K You can use many SET TERM followed with COPY until you are confortable that  you've got the right   terminal port settings.       F Note that if the serial port is on a terminal server, the procedure is different. You would  E set all port characteristics on the terminal server itself (permanent  settings). On the VMS host, I you'd use LATCP to create an LTA device that is mapped to the port on the  terminal server.     In the startup procedure: . $! Start LAT and define the laser printer port  $@sys$startup:lat$startup VELO -5 	"/IDENTIFICATION=""""Node VELO of CYCLE cluster"""""   E You then edit sys$manager:lat$systartup.com and add a few commands to  define the LTA port:# $lcp create port lta10:/application 6 $lcp set port lta10:/node=LAT_0040AF1604B8/port=PORT_1  F and then you'd use LTA10: instead of TXA6: in the queue initialisation	 commands. K You may still need a SET TERM LTA10: command for /WRAP/PAGE/WIDTH and a few  others. <  But you can't set the major ones such as speed, parity etc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:03:06 GMT ( From: "Nemo Oudeheis" <nikogo@nigde.net>= Subject: Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 > Message-ID: <K4wFd.19211$dt3.1498968@twister.southeast.rr.com>  G Wow!  Thanks.  This seems pretty daunting, though I'll have a go at it.   1 FWIW, I think the VMS system in question is v5.2.   L Since there is already a print queue (albeit stalled), the system must have H had a working printer at one time.  I was hoping to modify the existing  setup.  D Newbie question: Is a printer (or perhaps, rather, the serial port) L considered a "terminal" rather than some other type of device?  Is that why * one must use SET TERMINAL to configure it?  I Does TXA6: specifically refer to the serial port?  And if so, which one?  J This machine has two serial ports, one to connect to the medical scanner,  the other for the printer....   K How can I inspect the previous printer configuration?  Is it in defined in   SYSTARTUP_V5.COM?   J Can I see the previous serial port configuration with something like SHOW  TERMINAL * ?  K In your example you have the qualifier /DEV=LA75 -- I presume this is your  : laser printer.  Would I have to use /DEV=RX80 in my setup?   Sorry to be so bone-headed.   L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message   news:41e64ce8$1_2@127.0.0.1... > # > (In case previous attempt failed)  > F > Here is what you need when you system boots: (example taken from my 
 > system): > % > $DEVMATRIX = "TXA6:" ! LA75 printer  > $!J > $ SET TERMINAL 'DEVMATRIX /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /WRAP /FORM /NOTAB -F >      /LOWER /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC /SPEED=(9600) /WIDTH=(80) /PAGE=(12) - >      /DEV=LA75 /NOECHO /PERM > $!: > $ SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(MATRIX,SYS$SYSDEVICE:) 'DEVMATRIX > $START/QUEUE >  >  > And to create the queue :  > G > $define/form LABELS 57 /Description="40char*12line labels"/LENGTH=12- E >        /MARGIN=(bottom=1,top=1,left=0,right=0)/SETUP=LINES-PAGE-12-  >        /NOTRUNCATE/WIDTH=40  > $! > $DEVMATRIX == "TXA6:"  > $INITIALIZE /QUEUE  ; > /FORM=LABELS/DEFAULT=(nofeed,form=LABELS)/ON='DEVMATRIX - @ > /NOSEPARATE /PROT=(W:RW) /separate=(noburst,noflag,notrailer)-I > /DESCRIPTION="LA75 LABELS (12 lignes-40 caractres/label)"/START MATRIX  > $! >  > G > On modern versions of VMS, you only need to define it once. On older   > versions, B > you'd define it after setting the serial ports during each boot. > A > For the SET TERMINAL  (HELP SET TERM gives you plenty of info):  > L > /HOSTSYNC/TTSYBNC is for bidirectional x-on xoff flow control. You may not
 > want /WRAP.  > C > HELP INIT/QUEUE gives you plenty of info on setting up the queue.  > F > You must set the terminal characteristics before you set the device 	 > spooled  > and start the H > queue (otherwise the symbiont takes control of the queue and you can't > change it anymore).  > G > You can start tests before setting up the queues with the followiong: 
 > ALLOC TXA6:  > SET TERM TXA6 /whatever  > COPY smalltextfile.txt TXA6: > DEALLOC TXA6:  >  > I > You can use many SET TERM followed with COPY until you are confortable   > that > you've got the right > terminal port settings.  >  >  > H > Note that if the serial port is on a terminal server, the procedure is > different. You wouldG > set all port characteristics on the terminal server itself (permanent  > settings). On the VMS host, K > you'd use LATCP to create an LTA device that is mapped to the port on the  > terminal server. >  >  > In the startup procedure: 0 > $! Start LAT and define the laser printer port" > $@sys$startup:lat$startup VELO -6 > "/IDENTIFICATION=""""Node VELO of CYCLE cluster""""" > G > You then edit sys$manager:lat$systartup.com and add a few commands to  > define the LTA port:% > $lcp create port lta10:/application 8 > $lcp set port lta10:/node=LAT_0040AF1604B8/port=PORT_1 > H > and then you'd use LTA10: instead of TXA6: in the queue initialisation > commands. J > You may still need a SET TERM LTA10: command for /WRAP/PAGE/WIDTH and a  > few 	 > others. > > But you can't set the major ones such as speed, parity etc.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 10:31:51 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org= Subject: Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 3 Message-ID: <3TfMDhZojtDY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <K4wFd.19211$dt3.1498968@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Nemo Oudeheis" <nikogo@nigde.net> writes: I > Wow!  Thanks.  This seems pretty daunting, though I'll have a go at it.  > 3 > FWIW, I think the VMS system in question is v5.2.  > N > Since there is already a print queue (albeit stalled), the system must have J > had a working printer at one time.  I was hoping to modify the existing  > setup.  4 What output device does that print queue connect to?  @ i.e. What does SHOW QUEUE show for /ON=*output-device-name-here*  B Also, since the queue is stalled, there must be an issue with flowD control on the old printer port.  You may want to do something like:  ' $ SET TERM <serial-port-name-here> /XON    or  8 $ SET TERM <serial-port-name-here> /NOHOSTSYNC /NOTTSYNC  D Beware:  disabling flow control is asking for trouble when you start3 printing large jobs faster than the printer can go.   F > Newbie question: Is a printer (or perhaps, rather, the serial port) N > considered a "terminal" rather than some other type of device?  Is that why , > one must use SET TERMINAL to configure it?  F Traditionally, under VMS, most serial ports were used by terminals forF user login.  That influenced the choice of command name used to modify serial port settings.   D Whether the device on the far end of the serial port is a printer orH a terminal is largely irrelevant.  You still use $ SET TERM to configureC the port (though you want to take care to use $ SET TERM /PERM when $ you're preconfiguring printer ports)  K > Does TXA6: specifically refer to the serial port?  And if so, which one?  L > This machine has two serial ports, one to connect to the medical scanner,  > the other for the printer....   ' Not sure.  What does $ SHOW DEV T show?   M > How can I inspect the previous printer configuration?  Is it in defined in   > SYSTARTUP_V5.COM?   ? Usually the printer configuration consists of up to four pices.   C 1.  Print queue definition [and forms and characteristics, if used]        $ SHOW QUEUE /FULL       $ SHOW QUEUE /FORM [/FULL]       $ SHOW QUEUE /CHAR [/FULL]     2.  Printer port settings   -     $ SHOW TERMINAL <serial-port-device-name>   D     One might also print via a parallel port, network device, remote9     node or something else, but that's not relevant here.    3.  Spooler [optional]  7     Inspect the startup scripts for $ SET DEVICE /SPOOL   >     This is completely optional and doesn't affect the printer9     at all.  If you set up a spooled device, then you can =     create print jobs by copying files to the spooled device.         e.g. $ COPY MYFILE.LIS LPA0:     as an alternative to,          $ PRINT /QUEUE=SYS$PRINT MYFILE.LIS  % 4.  Device control library [optional]   7     LIB/LIST SYS$LIBRARY:<somedevctl>.TLB    [optional]   <     If the SHOW QUEUE command showed a /LIBRARY= clause then?     insert that library name in place of <somedevctl>.  This is C     a library of named text strings.  Typically, these are standard ?     escape sequences that may be associated with print "FORMS".   A     In the absence of a /LIBRARY= clause, the standard library is      SYS$LIBRARY:SYSDEVCTL.TLB        e.g.  - 	$ DEFINE /FORM LANDSCAPE 12 /SETUP=LANDSCAPE H 	$ LIB/INSERT/TEXT LANDSCAPE.TXT SYS$LIBRARY:HPPCL.TLB /MODULE=LANDSCAPE+ 	$ INIT /QUEUE MY_HP_PRINTER /LIBRARY=HPPCL   E The printer setup script may or may not be in SYSTARTUP_V5.COM.  It's F a matter of system manager preference.  Some prefer to put the printerG startup in a separate file called by SYSTARTUP_V5.  Some prefer to keep G all the startup stuff together in a single file.  Some may have fancier I setups, running bits and pieces of the startup as batch jobs or whatever.   L > Can I see the previous serial port configuration with something like SHOW  > TERMINAL * ?  ? I don't believe that wildcards work with $ SHOW TERM.  But yes, @ $ SHOW TERM <your-device-name-here> is the right command to use.  M > In your example you have the qualifier /DEV=LA75 -- I presume this is your  < > laser printer.  Would I have to use /DEV=RX80 in my setup?  H The /DEV= clause isn't all that important.  It establishes some defaultsH for the other settings.  Since an LA75 understands form feeds, /DEV=LA75C also implicitly enables /FORM.  And since an LA75 understands tabs, G /DEV=LA75 implicitly enables /TAB.  Since an LA75 is a printer, setting D /DEV=LA75 implicitly enables /HARDCOPY.  Since an LA75 is a printer,= setting /DEV=LA75 implicitly disables /ANSICRT.  There aren't J enough predefined device types to cover every serial device on the market.E So you generally just pick a generic one and go with that.  It really 5 doesn't matter. Personally, I always used /DEV=LA120.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:14:41 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> = Subject: Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501130955340.32327@localhost.localdomain>   ) On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Nemo Oudeheis wrote:   D > Since there is already a print queue (albeit stalled), the system G > must have had a working printer at one time.  I was hoping to modify   > the existing setup.   D If the queue is stalled, then the printer has not responded in some * way and the print queue is waiting for it.  C Was it like this when they gave it to you, or did you make it like  E this?  This printer could be 20 or more years old.  Does it work?  I  F recall you thought it might be a different printer from the one which . originally worked, but you didn't really know.   What have you done so far?  C Making the assumption that you and others have done little and the  ? settings are more or less the original working ones, I suggest   starting with these steps:  3 1.  Record and post the output from these commands:   %      $ SHOW QUEUE/FULL printqueuename       $ SHOW TERMINAL devicename   ? 2.  Using the appropriate (null-modem, probably) cable, plug a  E terminal into the printer in place of the computer.  Things you type  D should appear on the printer (assuming the printer is not locked in E some non-text mode, but one might expect a power cycle to fix that).  G Do they?  Fiddle with the terminal and printer communications settings  A until it works or until you determine that the printer is broken.   G 3.  Using the appropriate null-modem cable, plug the terminal into the  D computer in place of the printer.  Press control-Q.  Does the queue B start?  Does your output appear on the terminal?  Fiddle with the G terminal settings until it does.  You might need to stop the queue and  G unspool the device for more detailed testing, but I don't want to talk   about that right now.   A 4.  With what you have learned in steps 2 and 3, reconfigure the  E printer or the terminal port as required.  You might have to unspool  $ the terminal port to reconfigure it.  	 Have fun.      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:37:09 GMT ( From: "Nemo Oudeheis" <nikogo@nigde.net>= Subject: Re: Configuring a Microvax with a serial Epson RX-80 > Message-ID: <9lyFd.16936$fE4.2698593@twister.southeast.rr.com>  B Many thanks to my respondents!  I shall now try to work with your  suggestions.1 ------------------------------------------------- 3 "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message  ? news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0501130955340.32327@localhost.localdomain... + > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Nemo Oudeheis wrote:  > J >> Since there is already a print queue (albeit stalled), the system must G >> have had a working printer at one time.  I was hoping to modify the   >> existing setup. > J > If the queue is stalled, then the printer has not responded in some way ( > and the print queue is waiting for it. > K > Was it like this when they gave it to you, or did you make it like this?  K > This printer could be 20 or more years old.  Does it work?  I recall you  H > thought it might be a different printer from the one which originally % > worked, but you didn't really know.  >  > What have you done so far? > E > Making the assumption that you and others have done little and the  J > settings are more or less the original working ones, I suggest starting  > with these steps:  > 5 > 1.  Record and post the output from these commands:  > & >     $ SHOW QUEUE/FULL printqueuename  >     $ SHOW TERMINAL devicename > J > 2.  Using the appropriate (null-modem, probably) cable, plug a terminal L > into the printer in place of the computer.  Things you type should appear L > on the printer (assuming the printer is not locked in some non-text mode, M > but one might expect a power cycle to fix that). Do they?  Fiddle with the  K > terminal and printer communications settings until it works or until you  ' > determine that the printer is broken.  > I > 3.  Using the appropriate null-modem cable, plug the terminal into the  M > computer in place of the printer.  Press control-Q.  Does the queue start?  E > Does your output appear on the terminal?  Fiddle with the terminal  L > settings until it does.  You might need to stop the queue and unspool the H > device for more detailed testing, but I don't want to talk about that  > right now. > K > 4.  With what you have learned in steps 2 and 3, reconfigure the printer  L > or the terminal port as required.  You might have to unspool the terminal  > port to reconfigure it.  >  > Have fun.  >  >  > --   > D > Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mC > G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 8 > Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)6 >                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)3 >                                  http://gmcl.com/  >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 01:16:05 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk . Subject: Re: DECwindows window manager problemC Message-ID: <1105607765.008591.229990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   " JF Mezei asked, "But I wonder whatF would happen if I were to leave it lying around when I next restart to windowF manager, at whcih point the ending window manager would not succeed inE renaming itself and that would cause the newly created on to fail due  to the process name already existing."   E Not a problem. If the rename fails it is tried again with the process ! id appended to the process name.     Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:06:15 +0000 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com>  Subject: DS10L variants . Message-ID: <41E68057.A5693052@baesystems.com>  F I know of 466Mhz EV6 and 617MHz EV67 DS10L systems, but was there ever a 600/617MHz EV6 DS10L system?   Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:18:17 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com , Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100- Message-ID: <876521716e.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:    > Keith Parris wrote:    >> JF Mezei wrote:  A >>> Well that's it then. I won't buy any more Vaxstations from HP E >>> anymore if you guys can't upgrade them to be energystar compliant  >>> :-) :-) :-) ;-)   C >> Whenever you want the monitor to go into power-save mode, please D >> enable Energy Star operation by properly setting the VAXstation'sE >> Energy Star Enable switch. You don't even have to open the case to A >> get at this switch. You can recognize it because it's a rocker @ >> switch with "0/1" markings. Energy Star is Enabled in the "0" >> position. :-)  A > Yep!  It also puts the computer into extreme power saving mode. F > Some side benefits include no backups, batch jobs, or any other such > troublesome stuff.  :-)    And it's Windows compatable ;)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 06:28:50 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power3 Message-ID: <apmVvO1QUQw8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41E59B1F.5DCC5798@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > O > PowerPC *was* available from multiple sources, until Motorola decided to stop  > making it.  H Not completely true. Motorola's SPS division (now spun off as Freescale)B still make the 32-bit PowerPC (along with a zillion other types of' processors :-) ) for embedded purposes.    See:  G http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?nodeId=018rH3bTdG    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:45:18 -0500  From: "Darrell" <dev/null>5 Subject: Re: J F lecturing on respect and netiquette! / Message-ID: <g_GdnYLibsqX4XvcRVn-rA@rogers.com>   H "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowREMEMBERARTIESHAW@earthlink.net> wrote inD message news:mvoFd.5314$KJ2.3160@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... >  > Nomen Nescio wrote:  >   >A > Wow!  Where does he find all the time to come up with all these  > monikers...!!!???  > C One has to wonder how Nomen Nescio (Mike) has the time to track JF!    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 04:29:54 -0800# From: askgoogle2004@yahoo.com (Tom) 8 Subject: JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor= Message-ID: <c44f4f47.0501130429.51c85ade@posting.google.com>    Hi,   $    I came across the following error  C        JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor (OVMS  alpha + 7.3-1) which is occurring quite frequently.    My observations are as follows  E 1.  I am executing a source image(.exe) in which there are some calls B to other exe's(subroutines) which results in the above said error.  ? 2. I found from the manual that this error occurs if the exe is  corrupt.  D   In my case, the problamatic image was compiled and linked on 1996.C So ,I built all the images(.exe) again and tried to run my exe. But # the same error was occurring again.   D 3. This time, I removed the calls to the subroutines from the source& image, but the problem did not vanish.  4 Well, it would be helpful if anyone can help me out.   My doubts :    1. Why does this error occur? F "I could not find much info on this, can any one give more info on why0 this error occurs and under what circumstances".  8 2. What should I do when I encounter this kind of error?   Thanks in Advance,   Have a nice day!!!   Regards, Tom.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 08:18:45 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor3 Message-ID: <8FAuCVJrCMA8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <c44f4f47.0501130429.51c85ade@posting.google.com>, askgoogle2004@yahoo.com (Tom) writes:  > Hi,  > & >    I came across the following error > E >        JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor (OVMS  alpha - > 7.3-1) which is occurring quite frequently.   
 > My doubts :  >   > 1. Why does this error occur? H > "I could not find much info on this, can any one give more info on why2 > this error occurs and under what circumstances".      One of two posibilities:   I    1)  The main routine is returning garbage, or a call to an exit() type F    function is returning garbage, which just happens to have the valueE    8192 (2000 hex).  SS$_BADISD is 8196 which would be -F- instead of     -W-.   D    2)  EVE is having a problem with one of it's shared images or TPUG    sections.  Check what TPU section you're using, such as the value of F    TPU$SECTION, or one referenced in a TPU or EVE initialization file.C    The image sections which support EVE are all on the system disk.    > : > 2. What should I do when I encounter this kind of error?     6   You may have to restore something from your backups.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:29:14 +0100 $ From: Udo Wahrburg <vms@wahrburg.de>< Subject: Re: JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor/ Message-ID: <cs6b5e$kbl$03$2@news.t-online.com>    Hi Tom,   C what's the name of your shared image ? Look, if you have defined a  F logical name with the same name (only filename part), which points to 0 something else, but not to your shareable image.  	 good luck   Udo      
 Tom wrote:   >Hi, > % >   I came across the following error  > D >       JEVE-W-BADISD, illegal image section descriptor (OVMS  alpha, >7.3-1) which is occurring quite frequently. >  >My observations are as follows  > F >1.  I am executing a source image(.exe) in which there are some callsC >to other exe's(subroutines) which results in the above said error.  > @ >2. I found from the manual that this error occurs if the exe is	 >corrupt.  > E >  In my case, the problamatic image was compiled and linked on 1996. D >So ,I built all the images(.exe) again and tried to run my exe. But$ >the same error was occurring again. > E >3. This time, I removed the calls to the subroutines from the source ' >image, but the problem did not vanish.  > 5 >Well, it would be helpful if anyone can help me out.  >  >My doubts : >  >1. Why does this error occur?  G >"I could not find much info on this, can any one give more info on why 1 >this error occurs and under what circumstances".  > 9 >2. What should I do when I encounter this kind of error?  >  >Thanks in Advance,  >  >Have a nice day!!!  > 	 >Regards,  >Tom.  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:13:44 -0500 . From: "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net>7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay ) Message-ID: <41E69E38.20706@netscape.net>    OK OK OK! I got the point!  4 I am open to suggestions on how you would do this so2 you aren't sending a file to the newsgroups.  Just: trying to save a small amount of bandwidth.  Additionally,1 I will be updating the file periodically as items 8 are sold so a link made sense to me.  BTW, it opens fine9 in my browser (Mozilla on win98-Sorry, I'm trying to move 
 to Linux!)  : Will post a link to a text version shortly.....suggestions welcome.  7 PS. Please don't post dumps as it exposes my real email # address in the file to the bots....    Kurt   Dave Froble wrote: > K. Marden wrote: >  >>3 >> Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet. @ >> All items to be auctioned on Ebay over the next month or two. >> All items are untested. >>
 >> thanks, >> Kurt  >>3 >> http://www.gis.net/~jkmarden/Dec-parts-list1.xls  >  > J > This may be Ok, but I'm wondering who would invoke an Excel spreadsheet G > over the internet.  For all who would, I'm selling bridges this year.  >  > Dave >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:50:58 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501130944220.32327@localhost.localdomain>   % On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, K. Marden wrote:   B > I am open to suggestions on how you would do this so you aren't # > sending a file to the newsgroups.   E Since you are linking to a website, HTML is the best choice.  If you  F don't write raw HTML, MS Word and other programs will output HTML for  you.  G I assume that you used excel for its table capabilities.  MS Word does   tables as well.        --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 03:42:02 -08000 From: "Fatboy Jr." <coltblackpowder@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Maytag Store, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. Rt. 309C Message-ID: <1105616522.270503.119360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ; To anyone from the northeastern part of Pa., in the town of . Wilkes-Barre, a message (non Pontiac oriented)    E BEWARE- AVOID the Maytag appliance store on Rt. 309 by Home Depot, in G Wilkes-Barre. The guy that owns it is a major jerk, he talked me into a E $110 gas flow valve for my Magic Chef stove, and then refused to take & it back when that was not the problem.    F I had to spend another $75 online to get ignitors, which were the real6 problem. And the p-rick won't take the gas valve back.    G The store is located right by where the old Zayre's dept. store used to  be, on RT. 309.     E BEWARE- SHOP ELSEWHERE !! The guy changes from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde = depending on if you are handing him money or not at the time.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:42:06 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions, Message-ID: <34mqmkF4cv7uaU1@individual.net>  & On 2005-01-13 00:33, "JF Mezei" wrote:   > [...]  >  > There are 2 clocks,  > 	one at 614.4000 khz   > 	and one at : 40.00000 mhz > ; > I take it the 40mhz one is the main clock for the MVII ?    > What is the .6144mhz one for ?  H Divide the clock's frequency by 64 and you are at the common serial line speed of 9.6k ...    > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 04:41:01 -0600% From: jfmezei@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions$ Message-ID: <41e6503d$1_2@127.0.0.1>  !  "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com> writes:   F |>I could be completely wong, but it sounds like you're describing theJ |>second version of the ka630. You should have a PCB number, which sounds + |>like 50-16523-02, m7606 on the handle ...   I Yep. That is the one. (Haven't checked the numbers on the all mighty MVII  that is running.9 This one is just a backup I got from an ex VMS customer.)     C |>(the version 1, which is the 50-16523-01, had only two big ASICs) I |>The VAX CPU is BTW, one of the smaller chips, and the FPU is the other  " |>one with the heat sink on it ...    . You mean those 2 small chips do all the work ?   one is:  21-22797-01 
 M870-37  8743   
 the other is:  21-20887-05  Z313-89 8747  G I had alwasy though that the two largest chipos would have been the CPU   G There are 2 chips with a sticker with DEC85 LM8803 11*E6 (*=0 and 1). I  assume those make up the console/boot ROM.   I Those 2 chips, along with some small ones next to the QBUS connectors are  the only chips that are G linked to Digital in any way. The rest are all made by other companies.   E |>It is a 40 MHz crystal, but divided, divided, and divided until you C |>get to a cpu cycle time of 200ns. (Whatever cpu cycle means here)     I Interesting. If this were marketed today, would they market it as a 40mhz  CPU ? Or in other words,E the machines that are marketed at 3 gigahertz today, is that just the  crystal's rate, or the actual  rate fed to the CPU ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:37:08 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>o" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions6 Message-ID: <slrncucqvu.9kc.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  K In article <41e6503d$1_2@127.0.0.1>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote:x >tF >|>It is a 40 MHz crystal, but divided, divided, and divided until youD >|>get to a cpu cycle time of 200ns. (Whatever cpu cycle means here)  & Wouldn't that yield 5 MHz for the CPU?   1 / (200 / 1000000000)  H Not really that shabby considering what it can do and the quality of theH OS running on it. My first VAX that I personally owned was a MicroVAX II in perhaps a BA23 cabinet?  B The original IBM PC, as a point of comparison, had 120ns RAM whichB allowed for a CPU as fast as 8.33 MHz. It bought IBM some time andG CPU speed-ups before they had to look at faster and more expensive RAM.r  E The Apple II had 150ns RAM which allowed for as fast as 6.67 MHz CPU, @ but only used 1.023 MHz for the CPU with the later IIc at 4 MHz.  E > Interesting. If this were marketed today, would they market it as aHD > 40mhz CPU ? Or in other words, the machines that are marketed at 3F > gigahertz today, is that just the crystal's rate, or the actual rate > fed to the CPU ?  @ Well, it depends, but the 'master clock oscillator' often drives different operations.   H For instance, the Apple II's 6502 had a 14.31818 MHz oscillator crystal.  E It was divided into a "7M" (7.159 MHz -- half of 14.31818 MHz) signale fed to the peripheral bus.  H The other 7.159 MHz was divided in half to produce a 3.58 MHz clock thatI drove the NTSC video signal generation -- both dot clock and color burst.   F 7.159 MHz was also divided by 7 to yield the effective clock frequencyE of 1.023 MHz, for both the phase 0 and phase 1 signals that drove the  peripheral bus access cycles.p  G A 1.023 MHz clock signal also drove the 6502's processor operations ands memory accesses.  F Apple marketing called it a 1 MHz machine for simplicity, because thatD was essentially what the CPU got to work with. It also rolls off the' tongue a lot better than 1.023 MHz. :-)A  C The original clock frequency drove everything important -- the CPU,AF memory, video, and peripheral slots' timing... but no single component  got the full 14 MHz clock cycle.  C I doubt that marketing today would normally list the internal clockDE oscillator's rating. Even as sneaky as certain companies can be, theyLG just don't do that. (Though they sometimes use different and misleading=7 numbers in other areas to sucker the typical consumer.)    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:07:41 -0700L From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions5 Message-ID: <NgvFd.973$aa6.386@fe61.usenetserver.com>T   JF Mezei wrote:20 > You mean those 2 small chips do all the work ? > 	 > one is:s
 > 21-22797-01u > M870-37  8743i >  > the other is:v
 > 21-20887-05d > Z313-89 8747   Yes, CPU & FPU  I > I had alwasy though that the two largest chipos would have been the CPUp  @ Nope. The DC333 & DC337 (or 78032 & 78132) uVAXII CPU used even ? internally the multiplexed Addr & Data, so 68 pins are fine ;-)   I > There are 2 chips with a sticker with DEC85 LM8803 11*E6 (*=0 and 1). Ir, > assume those make up the console/boot ROM.   Rightr  K > Those 2 chips, along with some small ones next to the QBUS connectors are  > the only chips that are I > linked to Digital in any way. The rest are all made by other companies.X  G You have to look for chips with a reference designator like xx-xxxxx-xx H Then you should find most of the chips specially made for DEC. Look for L example the 40 pin AMI chip (the UART or console, or whatever) or just DC319    G And IIRC, DEC switched a lot of times between LSI & Toshiba as an ASIC u4 source. They even used standard FPGAs in some VAXen. >   K > Interesting. If this were marketed today, would they market it as a 40mhzL > CPU ? Or in other words,G > the machines that are marketed at 3 gigahertz today, is that just thea > crystal's rate, or the actuale > rate fed to the CPU ?$  G I was probably saying it wrong, but the 40 MHz are fed to the CPU, and o8 divided there. DEC liked a lot of multi-phase clocks ... So it "could" be a 40 MHz CPU:  D But if any CPU of today is actually doing anything at 3 GHz, that's ( marketing. We don't like to go there ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:25:55 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.comc" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions- Message-ID: <871xcp70to.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:-  A > There are 3 purple chips in the middle. 2 large and one smallersD > one. I take it that the vax was implemented as 3 chips ? ( I think@ > that the Microvax's claim to fame was the first vax to be on a > single board, right ?)  = Nope, the uV-I, aka Seahorse was first. Qbus memory though :(   F > Which Vax model was the first one to have the VAX on a single chip ?  ) That would be a Cvax machine I *think*...   E > One of the larger and the smaller chips were made in japan, and theeE > middle one , having a partially copper top, has an inscription that,F > begins with LSILIA0485 and 21-23413-01 below. If this is the guts ofF > the microvax II, what do the other 2 chips do ?  (the smaller one is) > 212632201, the bigger one is 212338901)   D > If I were to dip the board in liquid nitrogen for cooling, could IA > replace the 40mhz clock with say, a 1.4gHz clock and get my All > > migthy Microvax II to outspeed a Alpha EV7 ? :-) :-) :-) :-)  E Good question. In 86 or so they got a J-11 up to 45MHz or so, and ranc the full XXDP set on it.   -- S< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:20:09 -0700t From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions5 Message-ID: <sZyFd.993$aa6.667@fe61.usenetserver.com>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > A >>There are 3 purple chips in the middle. 2 large and one smallerAD >>one. I take it that the vax was implemented as 3 chips ? ( I think@ >>that the Microvax's claim to fame was the first vax to be on a >>single board, right ?) >  > ? > Nope, the uV-I, aka Seahorse was first. Qbus memory though :(o  ' Sorry, the uV-I was a two board set ...G   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 09:48:14 -0800$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> Subject: Re: Need Word-11EC Message-ID: <1105638494.057841.298530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>o  E KEYpak has been around for several decades and I believe that Word-11bB is/was one of their supported formats.  It looks like they've beenF bought by ANE over the years but http://www.keypak.com is still valid.  E I remember looking at their products in the late '80s and from what INC recall then, they had a darn good solution.  Their licensing at theNE time allowed for system licenses or per-document licenses.  You couldPC also send them your documents and they'd do a 1-time conversion forq you.  , It's worth a shot to contact them I suppose.  	    .../Eds   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 11:27:51 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) I Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conference ! Message-ID: <9OA2SQs22o92@sinead>e  W In article <34lmi8F4cf9ifU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >> Keith Parris wrote:F >>> You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast.  >>> http://www.hp.com/go/agility >> tO >> When you say I will be plesantly surprised, does this mean that this is when 7 >> Carly finally announces the retirement of IA64 ? :-)e > G > I think "surprised, and pleassantly so" to this audience would likelynH > be the announcement that VMS was being sold/turned over to someone who7 > would seriously market, develop and move it forward!!   B Or for me that HP is going to build low end VMS servers (usable as@ workstations), with IA64 or other cpu,  with multimedia support " (at least sound) and silent fans.    Patrickm --O ===============================================================================pN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:48:51 -0500n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>TI Subject: Re: NY Times has home page link to HP's Jan. 18th web conferencen, Message-ID: <_M2dnYua-KrFBXvcRVn-gA@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:a > JF Mezei wrote:t? >> Ok, so the ad appears on the very front page of the on-line.tB >> Therefore doubtful that the event will feature VMS much. But we >> could be surprised. >eD > You will be surprised, and pleassantly so. Don't miss the webcast. > http://www.hp.com/go/agility    J Every time I see the word 'agility' and HP in the same sentence I think ofG carly(tm) in a leotard doing a rhythmic gymastics routine - pretty, butr lacking in substance.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:43:00 -0500o" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>3 Subject: OpenVMS Licensing Reserve/Include Prioritye- Message-ID: <cs68e2$n9f@library1.airnews.net>o  K Hi,  If one has two capitated product licenses.... license one (5 user) is eJ reserved for user FOO and license two (5 user) is available for all users L then are the licenes for user FOO always granted first from license one and  not from the all user pool?c   ---c   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 07:47:11 -08003 From: "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com>r( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileC Message-ID: <1105631231.790091.277850@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>o   Fred Bach wrote: > John,/ >M@ >    Very Nice work.  Thanks.  I can get the keyboard to beep by< >    hitting a lot of invalid keys quickly, but I cannot getB >    SIMPLE to hang any more, not even once!  Nice.  Also, I tried< >    starting SIMPLE with the DCL keypad in both Numeric andE >    Application modes, and SIMPLE works as specified in either mode.i >aA >    SIMPLE starts very fast.  Good work.  Thanks.  Now I need tor; >    put in an instruction line at the bottom of the screenn? >    (which is untouchable by the user) which gives the list of ! >    valid keys and what they do.Q  8 Well there are 2 ways to to this -the quick n easy way..  < - If you can fit all the information you want to give on one< line, the you could simply reinstate the status line for the; window, and put it in there. The OP asked how to remove it,n> but we can put it back in and copy the information there. i.e. replace the line:   0 main_window := create_window(1,window_size,off);   with the lines:e  / main_window := create_window(1,window_size,ON);d' set (status_line, main_window, REVERSE,jF "  |Up = 8|  |Down = 2|  |Page Up = 4|  |Page down = 6|  |Exit = 1|");    * - Alternatively, the long and proper way..  : If you want to spread the intructions across more than one8 line, you need to create a separate window for it, write8 the instructions to a new buffer, and map that buffer to8 the new window. This, as my old schoolbooks used to say,& is left as an exercise for the reader!   >f: >    ps.  Is there any way to make TPU display the file in@ >         doublesized letters by default?  I know how to do that >         in DCL.   ..fwb. >l  < That sounds like a challenge! The answer is - Yes, there is. - Cheers, John   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2005 05:04:20 -0800% From: "M.Eismann" <m-eismann@gmx.net>L+ Subject: Subversion client build on OpenVMSRC Message-ID: <1105621459.977289.267760@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>5  
 Hello to all!a   OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2p  E I'm looking for a subversion-client built on OpenVMS. Subversion is alD version-cotrol-software similar to CVS (http:://www.cvshome.org) and1 it's to be known to "replace" the well known CVS.u: We don't want to use the CMS (Code-Management-System) fromE DEC/Compaq/HP; it requires licenses, isn't able to work over networksoB (like CVS does in client/server-mode) and it stores every "atomic"E release of a textfile (sourcefile) in full format - not incrementally " like CVS or Subversion would do...C There are also other sources not on VMS-system(s), but on Linux ando@ Windows, which should also be managed by a central repository...' So CMS has some disadvantages for us...t  D The current sources are available at http://subversion.tigris.org inF version 1.1.2. Maybe anyone has built this tool on VMS?! Or anyone has6 experiences in building this open-source-tool with GNV; (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html#gnv)?7= We have Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2, the latesteG Unix-porting library installed. I read somewhere, that we also need theeD automake- and autoconf-tools for building/porting from Unix/Linux to1 VMS, but where can I get binaries of these tools?. Can anyone help me?    Best Regards Martin   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:48:31 -0500 , From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>/ Subject: Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMSi+ Message-ID: <cs61o1$2t0$1@news.process.com>   0 "M.Eismann" <m-eismann@gmx.net> wrote in message= news:1105621459.977289.267760@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > Hello to all!  >a > OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2l >t >a$ > ..... and it stores every "atomic"G > release of a textfile (sourcefile) in full format - not incrementallyt$ > like CVS or Subversion would do...
 > ........ >  > Best Regards > Martin >n  * I don't know where you got the above idea.  J CMS has always stored just one copy of a text file with the changes markedL inside of it so that fetches can obtain the proper revision.  This goes back to: the days when it being developed under the code name STEP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:10:31 -0600t6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>/ Subject: Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMSiD Message-ID: <craigberry-255EF2.10103113012005@news.isp.giganews.com>  C In article <1105621459.977289.267760@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,n'  "M.Eismann" <m-eismann@gmx.net> wrote:    > Hello to all!p >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2) > G > I'm looking for a subversion-client built on OpenVMS. Subversion is a F > version-cotrol-software similar to CVS (http:://www.cvshome.org) and3 > it's to be known to "replace" the well known CVS.p< > We don't want to use the CMS (Code-Management-System) fromG > DEC/Compaq/HP; it requires licenses, isn't able to work over networksmD > (like CVS does in client/server-mode) and it stores every "atomic"G > release of a textfile (sourcefile) in full format - not incrementally $ > like CVS or Subversion would do...E > There are also other sources not on VMS-system(s), but on Linux andnB > Windows, which should also be managed by a central repository...) > So CMS has some disadvantages for us...g > F > The current sources are available at http://subversion.tigris.org inH > version 1.1.2. Maybe anyone has built this tool on VMS?! Or anyone has8 > experiences in building this open-source-tool with GNV= > (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html#gnv)? ? > We have Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2, the latestlI > Unix-porting library installed. I read somewhere, that we also need the F > automake- and autoconf-tools for building/porting from Unix/Linux to3 > VMS, but where can I get binaries of these tools?  > Can anyone help me?-  E Porting Subversion to VMS is a worthwhile project but probably not a mH trivial one.  It's worth giving GNV a try, but if you run into trouble, B you'll probably just need to abandon it and write your own native - makefiles (description files) from scratch.  p  D The main prerequisite to Subversion is the Apache Portable Run-time E library (APR) which is part of Apache 2.0.  OpenVMS Engineering have mG *still* not released the sources to the VMS port of Apache 2.0, so you cG will need to figure out whether you can simply link against the binary tD version of the APR that must be somewhere in the Apache kit or wait E until you can get the sources.  It's possible the APR didn't require >B any porting so you may be able to simply acquire the sources from E Apache and build it.  That's all TBD before you can actually start a   port of Subversion proper.  H Next thing to worry about would be all the typical UNIX porting issues. F  Do the sources use fork() ? Named pipes?  If not, and if are looking H for a client-only port that can assume text files only, the port may be F fairly straightforward.  Subversion claims to use only ANSI C and the B APR, so you may be in business.  If you want to host a Subversion C server on VMS, or if you want to preserve native file formats when  C checking sources into a remote server, you'll need to get into the  E nitty gritty of OpenVMS file formats and integrate some way to store R2 the necessary metadata in a Subversion repository.  G BTW, the "atomicity" of Subversion has nothing to do with storing only fD diffs versus storing whole files.  It means that you can check in a H batch of changes affecting multiple files and you are guaranteed to get G all of them or none of them.  It's been awhile since I've used CMS, so aF I can't remember whether its groups guarantee transactional integrity A like that.  In any case, you are probably confusing the ordinary  B versioning of the VMS file system with the version control of CMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 JAN 2005 16:20:20 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>t/ Subject: Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMSm2 Message-ID: <13JAN05.16202086@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  = In a previous article, "M.Eismann" <m-eismann@gmx.net> wrote:  > Hello to all!  >  . > OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2a >  iG > I'm looking for a subversion-client built on OpenVMS. Subversion is auF > version-cotrol-software similar to CVS (http:://www.cvshome.org) and3 > it's to be known to "replace" the well known CVS. < > We don't want to use the CMS (Code-Management-System) fromG > DEC/Compaq/HP; it requires licenses, isn't able to work over networkstD > (like CVS does in client/server-mode) and it stores every "atomic"G > release of a textfile (sourcefile) in full format - not incrementallyt$ > like CVS or Subversion would do...  D As Richard Whalen said, CMS does store incremental changes.  It does% require a license and it isn't cheap.i  E > There are also other sources not on VMS-system(s), but on Linux andoB > Windows, which should also be managed by a central repository...) > So CMS has some disadvantages for us...n  D AFAIK, CMS works fine in a multiple system environment.  You can notE check out on Windows, copy the file to Linux and update it from LinuxcF (or vice versa) due to line-terminator issues.  But you can check out,F edit and update on Windows and then checkout, edit and update the sameF file on Linux.  Likewise you could check out, edit and update the sameE file on VMS.  There is, however, no VMS server for CVS.  There didn'ty5 used to be a Windows server but I think there is now.j  F > The current sources are available at http://subversion.tigris.org inH > version 1.1.2. Maybe anyone has built this tool on VMS?! Or anyone has8 > experiences in building this open-source-tool with GNV= > (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html#gnv)?p? > We have Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2, the latest I > Unix-porting library installed. I read somewhere, that we also need theiF > automake- and autoconf-tools for building/porting from Unix/Linux to3 > VMS, but where can I get binaries of these tools?   H Automake and autoconf are major pains for porting to VMS.  I don't think; you'll find tools which are capable of building subversion.r  E BTW, are you sure subversion is ready for serious use?  Last I lookedp (some months ago) it wasn't.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVaH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:40:56 -0000e* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMSn2 Message-ID: <cs68ap$h92$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:13JAN05.16202086@feda01.fed.ornl.gov...  G > BTW, are you sure subversion is ready for serious use?  Last I looked  > (some months ago) it wasn't.  G Always a matter of opinion but it's good enough for Samba and Apache...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:34 +0100h0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>/ Subject: Re: Subversion client build on OpenVMS6B Message-ID: <41e6ad6a$0$23124$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   M.Eismann wrote: > Hello to all!s >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-21 > G > I'm looking for a subversion-client built on OpenVMS. Subversion is am <SNIP> >  > Best Regards > Martin >   
 Hi Martin,  ( Have you tried Superversion for OpenVMS?  * Superversion: Version control for gourmets http://www.superversion.org/  & Superversion for OpenVMS - Thierry USO/ http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thierry.uso/suv-en.htmlt    H I highly recommend CMS and the whole DECset Family for OpenVMS software E development. There is also a CMS Client for Windows which integrates dF into MicroSoft's Visual Studio as the code repository (see Enterprise E Toolkit); and CMS integrates also with Distributed NetBeans enabling rF multi-platform development. There are also many other tools available K for Software Configuration Management on OpenVMS. Please see my list below.     G *Software Configuration Management (SCM) - Repositories and Librarians*r   Andromede - englishM; http://perso.club-internet.fr/eslog/anglais/a_andromede.htm$   Andromede - french: http://perso.club-internet.fr/eslog/francais/andromede.htm  8 CMS - Code Management Systems - DECset - Wayback Machined http://web.archive.org/web/20040216025515/http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/cms_index.html   CMS Examples - Ask VMSH http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Examples+CMS&source=1000&origin=0   CMVISIONB http://web.archive.org/web/20020926065708/http://www.cmvision.com/   CodeME - CMZ - CERNc! http://wwwcmz.web.cern.ch/wwwcmz/   & Configuration Management Tools Summary) http://www.daveeaton.com/scm/CMTools.html    CVS - Cyclic Software - briefw7 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/partners/cyclic/index.htmr  4 CVS (Concurrent Versions System) - Patch for OpenVMS7 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#cvss   CVS for OpenVMS - oooovmss& http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/cvs/  4 CVS for OpenVMS - oooovms - build cvs 1.11.17 step 1) http://www.4ovms.dyndns.org/buildcvs.htmld  ' CVS for VMS - Concurrent Version Systemm' http://www.cvshome.org/dev/codevms.html    DECset= http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html   $ DECset Documentation (including CMS)) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/decset.html   I DECset Clients for CMS and MMS - Software Product Description (SPD) - PDFy2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP6406/SP6406PF.PDF  K Enterprise Toolkit - OpenVMS Edition (CMS integrated into MS Visual Studio)c5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/et/et_index.htmlt  * Excosoft Configuration Database - ExcoConf7 http://www.excosoft.se/sweb/site/versionshantering.html-  C GNM - Common-sources tool for messages and documentation - OpenVMS s Freeware CD v62 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/gnm/  9 Guiffy Software, Inc. - Guiffy Source Compare/Merge tool.n" http://www.guiffy.com/openvms.html  > LSE SCA und PCA - Eine Einfuehrung (An Introduction in German)1 http://www.vaxman.de/publications/lse_sca_pca.pdfc    McCabe & Associates - TRUEchange! http://www.mccabe.com/true_tc.htmt  ' McCabe & Associates - TRUEchange familyh http://www.mccabe.com/true.htm  + NetBeans - Distributed NetBeans for OpenVMSrC http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/distnb.htmle   NetBeans for OpenVMS8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/  5 NetBeans for OpenVMS - Plug-in Modules (includes CMS)rD http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/modules.html  B Neuma Technology Inc. - CM+ Software Configuration Management and  Product Management Solutions http://neuma.com/     Perforce Software - Perforce SCM http://www.perforce.com/  9 Perforce Software - Perforce SCM Downloads - Old Versionss2 http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog_old.html  ' Perforce Software - Product Information . http://www.perforce.com/perforce/products.html  1 Product Configuration Management System SPD - PDFI2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP4515/SP4515PF.PDF  , QEF Advanced Software Inc. - Wayback MachineG http://web.archive.org/web/20030628160605/http://www.qef.com/index.htmlm  ? RCS - GNU RCS - official download ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/rcsa ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/rcs/  B RCS - official download - Index of ftp://ftp.cs.purdue.edu/pub/RCS  ftp://ftp.cs.purdue.edu/pub/RCS/  A RCS - What's GNU: RCS - Revision Control System - Wayback Machineak http://web.archive.org/web/20040225144051/http://www.chmi.cz/meteo/ov/lace/aladin_lace/MaKpage/rcs_doc.htmlr  > RCS for VMS download - Index of ftp://ftp.virginia.edu/pub/vms ftp://ftp.virginia.edu/pub/vms/s  C Serena - Merant Dimensions - Powerful Enterprise Change Management n Solutions (ECM)e6 http://www.merant.com/Products/ECM/dimensions/home.asp  * Superversion: Version control for gourmets http://www.superversion.org/  & Superversion for OpenVMS - Thierry USO/ http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thierry.uso/suv-en.htmlu  ) Synergex - OpenVMS Business Partner Briefs6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/synergex/index.html   Synergex - Partner Brief5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/synergex/index.htm    Synergex - Serena - PVCS2 http://www.synergex.com/solutions/pvcs/default.asp  . Synergex - Serena - PVCS Configuration Builder> http://www.synergex.com/solutions/pvcs/products/configbuilder/  ( Synergex - Serena - PVCS Version Manager? http://www.synergex.com/solutions/pvcs/products/versionmanager/    SysWorks - Developer % http://www.sysworks.com.au/swdev.html   H Thoroughbred Software - Dictionary-IV - Dictionary relational database; & data access; linux; unix; windows; vms@ http://www.thoroughbredsoftware.com/datasheet/pdictionaryiv.html  C Thoroughbred Software - Source-IV - source code management software < http://www.thoroughbredsoftware.com/datasheet/psourceiv.html  B True Blue Software Company - SnapshotCM - Visual, fast and simple  version control.  http://www.truebluesoftware.com/     Cheers!o   Keith Cayembergt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:51:41 -0800a% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>l" Subject: TCPIP SSH failure logging7 Message-ID: <3f119ada0501131051789c9894@mail.gmail.com>   
 TCPIP 5.4:D I'm getting an increasing number of hits on SSH, attempting to crack? my systems. Other than the immediate intrusions records, the IPoC addresses these come from don't seem to be logged in the audit log.i$ Anyone know where I might find them?  A More generally, does anyone have a pointer to a list I can use tos block attempts at the firewall?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:13:42 +0800. From: prep@prep.synonet.com ) Subject: Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP.- Message-ID: <87acrd71e1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:   > Larry Kilgallen wrote:A >> In article <41e52c04@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si writes:   I >> In general, the Alpha architecture is not "self-virtualizing" the way,50 >> for instance, the IBM 390 instruction set is.  E > I "grew up" with the System 360 architecture and was delighted when.F > VM/370 appeared (I think it was originally called CMS on the 360/67,F > but those old brain cells aren't responding today).  I then switched: > to DEC machines, but remembered virtual machines fondly.  4 CMS is/was(?) a single user OS commonly run over VM.  A > Thus, I was terribly disappointed when the VAX came out withoutlA > this capability.   It seemed to me to be an obvious feature andbD > I never understood why DEC didn't include it.   What, if anything,F > is it about the VAX architecture that precluded "self-virtualizing"?   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:34:13 -08001# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>y Subject: VMS in Semiconductors( Message-ID: <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  I VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks like  that is about to change.  M http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:21:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors0 Message-ID: <00A3DCD9.B9CDB1D9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:J >VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks like >that is about to change.r >DN >http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736    Doesn't work.  It wants a login.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.o -- e, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   -- eK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:07:29 +0000i- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> " Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors* Message-ID: <41E68EB1.6070803@bigpond.com>  . VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say:P > In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > K >>VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks likeF >>that is about to change. >>O >>http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736r >  > " > Doesn't work.  It wants a login. >   
 No it doesn't    Mozilla 1.4 on VMS   Regards, Dave.a -- YD David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:02:06 +01006 From: tdc <tdc@phreaker.net>" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors* Message-ID: <cs62hg$86n$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>   VAXman- wrote:P > In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > K >>VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks likea >>that is about to change. >>O >>http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=577007368 >  > " > Doesn't work.  It wants a login. >     use: blah for both username/pass   tdcp   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:28:30 GMTc1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>e" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors0 Message-ID: <yswFd.5748$9P7.19@news.cpqcorp.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:" > Doesn't work.  It wants a login.  0 http://bugmenot.com/ can be handy in such cases.  C As the article states, Microsoft is "just getting started" in this oI markeplace, and this piece only involves a new data acquision interface.  E So a Windows box might be attached to and collect sone data from fab -G equipment. So what? That doesn't mean folks want to run the entire fab  H on Windows. Microsoft is playing catch-up here in a market with OpenVMS H as an already-established player, with an established reliability track H record. Windows' track record is also well-established, and it includes  viruses and spyware.  I As the first OpenVMS Pearl of 2005 noted, Intel has already qualifed all hH their fab software for use on Itanium under OpenVMS 8.2. I'm sure other 8 major fabs have done the same or are doing this as well.  M http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736e  - Microsoft takes step in IC-equipment industry2 By Mark LaPedus  Silicon Strategies 01/12/2005, 11:51 AM ETd  ? HALF MOON BAY, Calif.  Hoping to jumpstart a new and emerging IE data-acquisition standard for semiconductor equipment, International o@ Sematech and SEMI have enlisted help from an unlikely partner   Microsoft Corp.M  B Under the plan, Microsoft is taking a step into the semiconductor B equipment world, by working with Sematech and SEMI to develop and E provide software solutions for the new and emerging data-acquisition e standard, dubbed Interface A.  ...jG Interface A refers to the port on manufacturing equipment used to send tI data from the tool to the factory systems. The interface enables fabs to oG have access to detailed process, measurement and operational data from r fab equipment.  I The data from the Interface A port is parsed into an output data stream, pD which can be used by a fab's APC environment and other enterprises. D Interface A is intended to replace and overcome deficiencies of the # earlier SECS/GEM port on fab tools.H  F With its software technology, Microsoft is looking to help propel the I adoption of the Interface A standard in the semiconductor industry, said sD John McCallum, industry manager for high tech at the software giant.  H Microsoft is working with several groups and fab-equipment companies in 2 the arena. "We are just getting started," he said. ...h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:44:58 -0500n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>k" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors, Message-ID: <74-dnYEkpZDsCnvcRVn-qw@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  >gD > As the article states, Microsoft is "just getting started" in this? > markeplace, and this piece only involves a new data acquisiontC > interface. So a Windows box might be attached to and collect sone G > data from fab equipment. So what? That doesn't mean folks want to runhD > the entire fab on Windows. Microsoft is playing catch-up here in a? > market with OpenVMS as an already-established player, with anEE > established reliability track record. Windows' track record is also 8 > well-established, and it includes viruses and spyware.    , Windows has encountered an unexpected error.H Click OK to send Microsoft a report of the value of the ruined wafers on your FAB line.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.026 ************************