0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 15 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 29      Contents: Re: ACMS and XML Re: An interesting little SSD . Re: C File sharing issue with multiple writers. Re: C File sharing issue with multiple writers4 Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server)8 Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server)8 Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server); Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems + Re: Maytag Store, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. Rt. 309  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions  Re: Microvax II questions - Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line O Re: Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP v. "Received: from unknown.hostname (x.x.x.x)" : Re: Saveset File Format - ie extensions to vmsbackup 4.1.1 Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple Printing Problem  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors  Re: VMS in Semiconductors P Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnP Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itn  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2005 11:26:27 -0800 From: ed.peterson@acs-inc.com  Subject: Re: ACMS and XML B Message-ID: <1105730787.600235.86810@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F I'm one of the programmers who caused this thread to be opened. Here's our situation:  G We are running a COBOL/ACMS/Rdb application that was originally written E for a DecForms front end, but which has also expanded so that it also D serves Java based web clients running on wintel platforms via TP WebG Connector. We have a web site that allows our customers access to their G data on our system and we have internal web applications for our users.   F While TP Web Connector works pretty well for us, it does have a couple1 of drawbacks that we wish to avoid in the future.   G First, since TP Web Connector relies on tight coupling between the ACMS F application and the DLL and Java code that are generated on the wintel? side, it is difficult for us to engage in rapid prototyping and G development since the wintel web servers and Alpha ACMS systems must be C stopped, updated and restarted at the same time. Any change to ACMS B workspaces or tasks becomes tricky and disruptive. This is our BIG issue.  F Second, our wintel web servers crash once or twice a week because theyF decide that the TP Web Connector generated DLLs have become corrupted.D There is nothing really wrong with the DLL files and a reboot solvesE the problem. This is not a huge issue, but we'd like better stability  in our production servers.  D We think that if we can move to a position where XML is the basis ofD exchange between our Alpha ACMS applications and our wintel Java webB systems we will have more flexibility between the Alpha and wintelC sides. We hope that we'd be able to add fields to workspaces and/or G add workspaces and tasks on the Alpha side without having to change the G Java code on the wintel side until we were ready to make use of the new  data and/or services.   A In general, I think that we'd like to run Apache on the Alpha and F have some sort of Alpha based service (in Java?) to handle XML to ACMSE workspace/task translation and communication. Our wintel server could E use html/XML (soap?) to communicate with the web server on the Alpha, : which would in turn communicate with the ACMS application.  E It appears that the HP website describes something like this, but the @ Java solution seems very focused on WebLogic. The following link describes some of this: 6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/acms/45_info.html What are our options?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:34:22 -0500 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>& Subject: Re: An interesting little SSD3 Message-ID: <20050114203422.GO602@eisenschmidt.org>   > I did some testing with the Quantum SSH under 7.1-H2 and I was% disappointed. It boiled down to this:    	-Very expensive at the time 	-Not any faster" 	-Not redundant with a single disk  F The Storageworks version was on a single 40MB/sec SCSI controller, andC it couldn't even saturate that. You'd be better off with more disks ) and more controllers for 1/10th the cost.   C We were looking at moving a small, poorly normalized, off-the-shelf F Oracle database to it to speed up queries, and we found the bottleneckB moved from the disk to CPU, and then we started tuning to move theA bottleneck back to the disk by going through the EXPLAIN_PLAN and C making changes to the Oracle config. Tweaking got us about a 20-25% F pickup, but when all was said and done we bought a new system that wasD much faster with conventional disks for about the same price as just	 the SSD.    E Then again, we were small. I'm not sure what an array of these things  would behave like.  8 ----- Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote: -----T > In article <GOWdnbISRpEfpnjcRVn-qQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:K > > Could something like this work on an Integrity server with VMS, perhaps : > > something similar in concept if not this exact device? > >  > > Manufacturer- > > http://www.acceleratedlogic.com/index.htm  > >  > > http://www.hyperos2002.com/ 2 > > (more info ATA-100 version - scroll to bottom) > > 7 > > http://www.hyperos2002.com/07042003/img/HD2zoom.gif  > > (large image)  > >  > = > 	The markets for these products are very narrow, especially A > 	in the VMS world.  Host cache, write-back cache, large storage E > 	caches (blech), RAID, LUNs that sit on many physical disks - have  : > 	marginalized these products to the extreme needs realm. > F > 	The SSD wars are occasionally played out over in comp.arch.storage.C > 	Bottom line, the SSD's of the world are a dying breed.  Imperial = > 	Tech (one of the more famous, larger SSD vendors) is gone:  >  > http://tinyurl.com/64sfk > ( > 	Maybe it is a marketing problem?  ;-) >  > 	LOL > 	 > 				Rob    --  / John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org) .   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  J Lloyd's Hypothesis: Everything that's worth understanding about a complex D 	system, can be understood in terms of how it processes information.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2005 13:02:31 -08000 From: "Kannan" <kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com>7 Subject: Re: C File sharing issue with multiple writers C Message-ID: <1105736397.186997.119990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   2 Thanks to every one for your valuable suggestions.   Hein,   D Thanks very much for your detailed response. Frankly, I will have toD admit that I am not very well versed with the RMS side, but based on5 your suggestions, I could get a handle of this issue.   @ On doing show process/rms, I observed the ocr file had the "UPI"+ attribute set as part of the shr attributes    SHR: "SHRPUT,SHRGET,SHRUPD,UPI"     E and looking through the docs my understanding is that if UPI is set , > then RMS doesn't do file synchronisation and it is left to the application 5 to ensure this. Please correct me if I am wrong here.   D (I could get a simple program to  work with multiple writers and theB only difference with my application, I used write calls instead of pwrite and I see that UPI is not set for this)   B The reason UPI is set is because ,I guess, the api uses stream i/oF using pread and pwrite calls. Here is short description of what pwrite does.   F The pwrite() function performs the same action as write(), except that itA writes into a given position in the file (specified by the offset  parame- ' ter) without changing the file pointer.   0 and these call only work with stream mode files.   Now the options I have is . @ 1. One is as you suggested, use directly RMS calls to handle the" synchronisation in my application.  8 2. I was wondering , if we can use a record oriented i/oC and achieve the functionality of writing to a specific offset using < simple read write calls. This way, RMS would handle the fileA synchronization part. pread/pwrite calls fail to work in a record E oriented file. I am not sure if this is a bug or is this the expected 	 behaviour   - Will greatly appreciate your opinion on this.    Thanks,  Kannan.  Hein wrote: = > "Kannan" <kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com> wrote in message ? > news:1104893260.841985.178950@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  > D > > There is a file Oracle configuration Repository (a streamlf mode fileD > > on VMS Cluster file system), which has resources registered by a daemonF > > process that can run on multiple nodes and share this common file. AtD > > any point of time one will be a master which can write into this OCR. > G > Are you talkign about an oracle owned and controlled file, if so, you  shoudlC > probably not muck with that except through Oracle API's. If it is 
 your file,D > and you have this applicaiton level lock protocol, then you do not need rmsD > to control the file sharing, and you may consider not using record mode >  > That > D > > The open call I am using to open this file in shared mode is the
 > > following  > > open((const char > >  > L *)filename,O_RDWR|O_DSYNC,"ctx=rec","rfm=stmlf","shr=get,put,upd","rop=rea") > ;  >  > The lock for read is suspect. E > I would encourage you to use set file /stat and moni rms, to verify  record > mode is used. F > I'd further use ANAL/RMS show proce/rms=(fab,rab) after the open and@ > /rms=(fab,fsb) after some operations (with the file marked for stats).  > G > > and the writes and reads on the file is done using pwrite and pread  C  > runtime calls,3 > > which reads/writes based on offset information.  > C > I only know of fread and fwrite, no pread/pwrite. Please explain.  > C > > And I am doing fsync call after every pwrite , so that the data  gets > written to > > the disk immediately.  > A > If RMS file sharing is properly activated, then any put will go 
 through to& > the disk, and the sync in redundant. >  > G > > Now for some reason if the Daemon 2 exits/crashes, the file size on  VMS C > > gets truncated to 1040 blocks essentially corrupting this file.  > 7 > Sounds like 'truncate on put' might have been active, - > Or, RMS is simply deferring the EOF update. 1 > Again... ANAL/SYS but now: show proces/rms=SFSB  > @ > Daemon 2 might need to re-open with full sharing to get RMS to communicate  > the in-memory EOF value.D > Daemon 2 migth want to open SHR=UPD, FAC=GET to make sure it never wants to
 > update EOF.  > C > > now if daemon 1 exits and daemon 2 attempts to read beyond 1040  blocks,  > > it gets an error > > > That suggests deamon 2 did truncate after daemon 1 appended. > A > I would recommend calling RMS directly for these kind of  jobs. C > Yes, it is more porting work, but so much clearer as to what will  happen.  >  > fwiw,  > Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:07:01 -0500 : From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com>7 Subject: Re: C File sharing issue with multiple writers , Message-ID: <41e8b36f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ; "Kannan" <kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com> wrote in message = news:1105736397.186997.119990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 4 > Thanks to every one for your valuable suggestions. >  > Hein,  : D > but based on your suggestions, I could get a handle of this issue.  # Excellent. Thanks for the feedback.    > Now the options I have is .  > 1....  : / > Will greatly appreciate your opinion on this.   J This sounds way too much like work! If your Email address is for real, andF you work for Oracle, then why don't we get you hooked up with some VMSG specilialist in Oracle (I played pool with several of them earlier this K evening :-) or hook you up with proper support or engineering resources. We + are partners. Let's sort this out properly.    Hein.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2005 11:13:27 -0800- From: mark_doherty@yahoo.co.uk (Mark Doherty) = Subject: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) < Message-ID: <5e3e03a7.0501141113.5f6fc97@posting.google.com>   Newbie!   = We have a VaxCluster of 3 Microvax 3800's that are networked. = I would like to transfer files and run commands from the PC.  3 We have BNC ethernet connections on the VAX and PC.    What software do we need on   the PC   the Vax  : We have another PC (hummingbird and WINVNC installed) that@ communicates with the VAX but I can not find out how it is done.C 'Network Connections' and 'Hummingbird Network' ... do not find any E hosts and I don't know the name of the VAX host. Its address is 202.2 0 with a node name of VAX1, neither of these work.   Mark   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2005 14:25:12 -0600- From: jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) A Subject: Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) $ Message-ID: <41e82aa8$1_2@127.0.0.1>  > >I would like to transfer files and run commands from the PC.   > >We have a VaxCluster of 3 Microvax 3800's that are networked.> >I would like to transfer files and run commands from the PC. 4 >We have BNC ethernet connections on the VAX and PC.  I At VMS 5.2, I think you could find the CMU-IP  TCPIP stack on the net and  thatI would give your PC the ability to TELNET into the VAXes. (VMS 5.2 is very  old).   3 (CMU-IP is free and served me well for many years).   I Another possibility is to start a LAT service on the VAX, and then use a  K terminal emuulator package on the PC that can use LAT. (does Kermit support  LAT in its windows version ?)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:40:55 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> A Subject: Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) ' Message-ID: <41E83C67.5000807@MMaz.com>    Mark Doherty wrote:    >Newbie! > > >We have a VaxCluster of 3 Microvax 3800's that are networked.> >I would like to transfer files and run commands from the PC. 4 >We have BNC ethernet connections on the VAX and PC. >  >What software do we need on   > the PC	 > the Vax  > ; >We have another PC (hummingbird and WINVNC installed) that A >communicates with the VAX but I can not find out how it is done.  >    > E If I remember correctly, Hummingbird has built in terminal emulation  G capabilities and, most likely, it is connecting to the old VMS version  C by way of DECnet or LAT.  If you logon onto the system that offers  C connectivity to the PC, then do a SHOW NETWORK to see if DECnet is  I running, and type MCR LATCP SHOW SERVICE to see if LAT is running on the  G VMS system, and what that systems service name might be...  All you'll  F need to do is configure the second system to offer similar services...  H An alternate method would be to fire up an IP stack, CMU/IP is free and G would probably run on 5.2, but if you're running just a LAN, I'd stick  7 with what is working and my guess is, that it is LAT...    Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:31:08 -0800 $ From: John Hixson <john@divinix.org>D Subject: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems0 Message-ID: <9L6dnX72N4YzJXXcRVn-qA@inreach.com>   Hi guys,G    A while ago I purchased an alpha 433au and installed openvms on it,  D however, the motherboard was bad and I kept having problems with it H crashing. The guy went ahead and sent me a new motherboard and it turns F out the board is a 600a board with alphabios on it. When I update the E firmware, it states it has SRM v7.2.1 on it, however, I am unable to  G load the SRM console. I set in the alphabios advanced CMOS settings to  G use the OpenVMS SRM Console and it doesn't switch. I save the settings  C and reboot, and it still doesn't go into SRM. I look at the system  G config and it appears that SRM is not on the machine. I do not want to  H run windows NT On this damn box, I want to run OpenVMS and learn it but G this is proving to be a pain in the ass. Can anybody here give me some  0 guidance as to how I can proceed to use OpenVMS?   Thanks,  John Hixson    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:19:35 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> 4 Subject: Re: Maytag Store, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. Rt. 309< Message-ID: <XzXFd.220723$Oc.133462@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Fatboy Jr. wrote:   = > To anyone from the northeastern part of Pa., in the town of 0 > Wilkes-Barre, a message (non Pontiac oriented) >  > G > BEWARE- AVOID the Maytag appliance store on Rt. 309 by Home Depot, in I > Wilkes-Barre. The guy that owns it is a major jerk, he talked me into a G > $110 gas flow valve for my Magic Chef stove, and then refused to take ( > it back when that was not the problem. >  > H > I had to spend another $75 online to get ignitors, which were the real8 > problem. And the p-rick won't take the gas valve back. >  > I > The store is located right by where the old Zayre's dept. store used to  > be, on RT. 309.  >  > G > BEWARE- SHOP ELSEWHERE !! The guy changes from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde ? > depending on if you are handing him money or not at the time.  > E Not the place. I have a dishwasher from Maytag I bought, because you  G "didn't have to wash the dishes before you washed the dishes".  You do. L I bought their top of their line washer.  All big mistakes. Like buying IBM.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:08:54 -0700  From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions7 Message-ID: <aNUFd.3246$aa6.1189@fe61.usenetserver.com>    John Gemignani, Jr. wrote:  , > "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in message    >>I have both of the uV-I's ;-)   N > My little collection has uV-I, uV-II and uV-III, widescreen edition (BA123).  & I was talking only about the uV-Is ;-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:58:05 GMT ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions& Message-ID: <41E8402D.5050600@iee.org>   E.S. wrote: ) > Sorry, the uV-I was a two board set ...   / Indeed: memory controller and datapath modules.   9 The MicroVAX II was certainly the first single board VAX.   D The larger machines (VAX 8x000, VAX 6x000) all had a separate FPU I D think - I expect the non-6K/7K/10K ones had multiple boards per CPU.  F The SOC-based systems probably qualify since I'm reasonably sure that D those had an FPU on the same chip - it would have been a silly name G otherwise :-). So that probably means the first system to use a single  * chip VAX would have been the VAX 4000-200.  G I think CVAX, Rigel and Mariah all had separate FPUs. I don't remember  , offhand how NVAX was arranged - anyone know?   Antonio    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:35:05 -0700  From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: Microvax II questions7 Message-ID: <LGYFd.3316$aa6.2300@fe61.usenetserver.com>    Antonio Carlini wrote:   > I don't remember  . > offhand how NVAX was arranged - anyone know?  E Both single chip, NVAX (62.5/74.4/83.3 MHz) 339 pin PGA, NVAX+ (90.9   MHz) 431 pin PGA   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:05:37 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com " Subject: Re: Microvax II questions- Message-ID: <87acrb1uim.fsf@prep.synonet.com>     "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com> writes:   > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > # >> "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com> writes:  >>A >>>>Nope, the uV-I, aka Seahorse was first. Qbus memory though :(  >>* >>>Sorry, the uV-I was a two board set ...G >> Was it? CPU plus 2 memory boards I thought. Bitrot gets another one.  > C > Yes, CPU were/are two boards, and whatever memory on the qbus ;-)  > D >> BTW, if anyone knows of one in AU, I'd really like to get it into5 >> the ACMS collection. IIs we have, but no I as yet.  >  > I have both of the uV-I's ;-)   . BA-23 and... Or are they different board sets?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:02:21 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Q: How to have SEARCH match a "null" line+ Message-ID: <41E887BD.B889A0C8@comcast.net>    Ken Fairfield wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  >  > > Ken Fairfield wrote: > [...] A > >>Thanks Keith, I know I can do it in two stages.  I was trying ? > >>to avoid that, and in particular, I now always try to avoid C > >>using PIPE in batch jobs (where this will run).  There's a know D > >>issue with PIPE on SMP processors, and for reasons I don't fullyE > >>understand, running in batch seems to expose that issue (possibly 6 > >>just from building up statics on multiple runs...) > >  > > + > > Tell me more, first I've heard of this.  > C > In my environment, we run scores of "monitors" periodically, with B > intervals varying from every 15 minutes to once a day, or once aC > week.  Non-normal conditions detected by these monitors result in > > notification being sent to the system manager and/or various > application owners, etc. > @ > Most of these monitors are simple DCL procedures run in batch.? > Often times we have coded these monitors to use PIPE since it > > gets tedious (for the programmer) to manage temporary files.  G When I reach that point, I usually find the common code in each process F and build a parameter-driven procedure. "Tediousness" becomes history,A and I usually gain manageability and flexibility as side effects.   B > There have been a variety of problems reported against PIPE, andC > I think we've encountered all of them at one time or another. :-(  > A > The most typical symptom is that, looking at the monitor's .LOG A > file, we find a job "hung" in PIPE.  The last line of DCL being @ > executed is the PIPE command, but the job is sitting there and > never completes.    D Is there any way to find out which process in the pipeline died, and why?  F I believe that in UN*Xland, a similar situation would return a message similar to "broken pipe".   / > Typically we need to do a DELETE/ENTRY to get 2 > rid of it, and occasionally, a STOP/QUEUE/ABORT. > = > The last straw was, having installed the latest patches (to ? > VMS 7.3-1) which claimed to fix the last remaining PIPE bugs, < > we had a monitor that could reproducibly produce incorrect< > output some fraction of the time, say 20%-35% of the time.> > The "reproducer" was sent to VMS engineering, and the person= > working the case was able to reproduce the problem not only B > on ES40's at VMS 7.3-1 (which we run), but on a variety of other" > Alpha hardware and VMS versions. > @ > I don't have the case in front of me, but the final answer was@ > that this is a known restriction with SMP systems (and affectsE > unix SMP systems as well) having to do with one of the "downstream" B > processes in the PIPE completing before the "upstream" processes > have completed.   G If each process reads input from its predecessor's output, how can that < happen?  ...unless an error causes the (sub)process to fail?  > > OK, found the article that resulted from our problem report.A > Look in DSNlink, or the ITRC "Natural Language Search", for the B > article titled, "DCL Pipe Command Inconsistant in Versions 7.3-1
 > and 7.3-2".    I'll look it up...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2005 14:15:16 -0600- From: jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) X Subject: Re: Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP v. "Received: from unknown.hostname (x.x.x.x)"$ Message-ID: <41e82854$1_1@127.0.0.1>  -  sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: # >Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP: TRUE   0 >Received: from unknown.hostname (222.233.94.99)> >         by alp.antinode.org (V5.4-15, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha);     Have you tried:   H $DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG 1 and then look at the logs of the G receiver to ensure that the receiver has properly seen your request to   reject unbacktranslatables ?  C (Since the receive is started from scratch wioth every new incoming 
 message, you  C don't have to stop  and restart the mail service for the logical to  take effect.  I If the above doesn't yield enough information, you can tehn take out the   big artillery with  & $DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_TRACE 1  I But you have to hurry to catch log files before they are purged, remember  that  A the TCPIP services software creates one new log file per message.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:02:00 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com C Subject: Re: Saveset File Format - ie extensions to vmsbackup 4.1.1 - Message-ID: <87ekgn1uon.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , Will Kranz <will_kranz@softhome.net> writes:  F > In particular I'd like to convert some multiple volume TU58 savesetsE > to a single contiguous file to be used from a CDrom.  It looks like B > I need to change some header values for this to work, which willC > presumably impart the checksum.  I can't figure out what checksum D > was used, or which region is really being tested.  I guess I couldE > do the installation from TU58 and then backup the files up again to B > a new saveset, but I'm looking for a more elegant solution and a? > little more knowledge regarding how the files are structured.   2 COPY should do the job, a save set is just a file.  ) With luck, you should finish this year :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:59:00 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file+ Message-ID: <cs9mc4$5u4$1@news01.intel.com>    Big John wrote:    > Fred Bach wrote: [...] : >>   ps.  Is there any way to make TPU display the file in@ >>        doublesized letters by default?  I know how to do that >>        in DCL.   ..fwb. >> >  > > > That sounds like a challenge! The answer is - Yes, there is.  ;     But the problem is under-specified!  First, do you want ; double-high/wide, or just double-wide, letters?  Second, do 8 you want to turn this on and off by a keystroke, or just always display the text large?  :     I agree with John that this is a challenge, especially7 in the context of SIMPLE.TPU...which was supposed to be 5 simple but this adds considerable complication... :-)   :     Two hints are that, for double-wide, each line of text8 must be prefixed with <esc>#6, but for double-high/wide,8 each line must be duplicated with the first of each pair= prefixed with <esc>#3 and the second with <esc>#4.  Secondly, 9 one uses SET(TEXT,CURRENT_WINDOW,NO_TRANSLATE) to get the : characters displayed large in the TPU window.  (To revert,$ replace NO_TRANSLATE by BLANK_TABS.)  @     So you wind up reading the file into a buffer and processing; it a line at a time, either in-place or to a second buffer, 7 adding the prefix escape sequences as required and then 4 displaying the results in a window set NO_TRANSLATE.  ?     A final complication is that if you shift the window right, = the text reverts to normal display (the escape sequences have   been shifted out of the window).  )     Other than that, its just a SMOP. :-)    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:40:27 -0500 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>$ Subject: Re: Simple Printing Problem, Message-ID: <cs93mt$97v$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,    You need to:  I 1. Define a form and include /SETUP=<library-module-name> ($ help define  
 /form :O).  K 2.  The <library-module-name>.TXT file will need to be created and contain  H the necessary printer command language directive(s) to perform whatever  setup is desired.   L 3.  Then the <library-module-name>.TXT file will need to be inserted into a / text library of your choice using $ LIB/INSERT   SYS$LIBRARY:<library-name>.TLB  H 4.  Then you init the queue with that form as the default and that text  library:  < $ INITI/QUEUE/FORM=DEFAULT=<formname>/LIB=<library-name> ...  I that should cause the setup module(s) to be sent to the printer prior to   every job...   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:17:45 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> " Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors; Message-ID: <dyXFd.220722$Oc.93585@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    David B Sneddon wrote:0 > VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say: > J >> In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 
 >> writes: >>I >>> VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks   >>> like >>> that is about to change. >>> R >>> http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736  >>>  >> >> >># >> Doesn't work.  It wants a login.  >> >  > No it doesn't  >  > Mozilla 1.4 on VMS > 
 > Regards, > Dave.   < You want to run a FAB on a system that needs to be rebooted? That can be hacked easily into?    Not for a long time.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:07:49 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors0 Message-ID: <00A3DE0D.F2D25202@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <41E68EB1.6070803@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:/ >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say: Q >> In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  >>  L >>>VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks like >>>that is about to change.  >>> P >>>http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736 >>   >>  # >> Doesn't work.  It wants a login.  >>   >  >No it doesn't >  >Mozilla 1.4 on VMS   N Yes, it does.  From Netscape 3.03b on VMS to the latest Safari and Netscape in
 OS X Panther.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:13:30 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors+ Message-ID: <41E88A59.A7A9081B@comcast.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > \ > In article <41E68EB1.6070803@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:1 > >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say: S > >> In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > >>N > >>>VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks like > >>>that is about to change.  > >>> R > >>>http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736 > >> > >>% > >> Doesn't work.  It wants a login.  > >> > >  > >No it doesn't > >  > >Mozilla 1.4 on VMS  > P > Yes, it does.  From Netscape 3.03b on VMS to the latest Safari and Netscape in > OS X Panther.   6 Likewise for Netscape V4.77 and IE 6 on WhineBloze-2K.  D (Caution: Do you maybe have a cached cookie that others don't have?)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/g   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:40:34 +0000.- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>V" Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors( Message-ID: <41E8BAE2.10001@bigpond.com>  & David J Dachtera was overheard to say:# > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:m > \ >>In article <41E68EB1.6070803@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: >>1 >>>VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say:s >>> R >>>>In article <opskjmnbkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >>>> >>>>N >>>>>VMS has been widely used in the semiconductor industry, but it looks like >>>>>that is about to change.o >>>>>nR >>>>>http://www.siliconstrategies.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57700736 >>>> >>>>$ >>>>Doesn't work.  It wants a login. >>>> >>>t >>>No it doesn't >>>0 >>>Mozilla 1.4 on VMS  >>P >>Yes, it does.  From Netscape 3.03b on VMS to the latest Safari and Netscape in >>OS X Panther.r >  > 8 > Likewise for Netscape V4.77 and IE 6 on WhineBloze-2K. > F > (Caution: Do you maybe have a cached cookie that others don't have?) >   5 Unlikely, since I have never been to the site before.0! I just clicked on the above link.o     Regards, Dave.  -- fD David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:04:37 +0000i- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>lY Subject: Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itns8 Message-ID: <b99gu0l550lmvikssbmv277jlq006r6n26@4ax.com>  D On 14 Jan 2005 09:41:07 -0800, "Tillman" <tillmanj@gmail.com> wrote:  E >I'm hoping to resurrect this thread -- I'm still unable to bring thet >interface up with tcpip.  > D >It seems odd, it's a completely stock  Vaxstation 4000/60 with RZ25D >disk and ESA0 onboard ethernet. I'd have a hard time swallowing theA >notion that the OpenVMS hobbyist CD for Vax doesn't support thatd@ >interface: I'd find it much easier to believe that I'm just not >configuring it right ;-)a  I Are you seeing a message after the "error defining interface", or two, orhL three ?  They may provide further clues.  Is the UCX license loaded (does it appear in SHOW LICENSE) ?.  K Hobbyist VMS *is* OpenVMS.  No-one to my knowledge has tinkered with any ofbI the installation kits.  The hobbyist CD is merely a gathering of the mostu useful components.   -- t4 Press any key to continue or any other key to quit.    Mail john rather than nospam...M   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2005 14:20:10 -0600- From: jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) Y Subject: Re: [reply] New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itn $ Message-ID: <41e8297a$1_1@127.0.0.1>  '  "Tillman" <tillmanj@gmail.com> writes:e >Howdy,t >aE >I'm hoping to resurrect this thread -- I'm still unable to bring thew >interface up with tcpip.h  C Have you tried restarting the TCPIP$CONFIG procedure from scratch ?e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.029 ************************