0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 21 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 41      Contents:) Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself ) Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself ) Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself ) Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself  Re: disk drive spin direction " ELF format Was: vms versus solaris& Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris& Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris& Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris& Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris Re: GnuPG in batch. Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS  New to VMS.  Installing  Re: New to VMS.  Installing  Re: New to VMS.  Installing # Re: Newbie Hobbyist NFS Question... # Re: Newbie Hobbyist NFS Question... * Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM* Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM4 Re: Reading a VMS IMage backup tape form Windows NT. Re: Region coded VMS next? Re: Region coded VMS next? Re: RMS ! Re: RMS (was: vms versus solaris)  Re: satellite clusters Re: satellite clusters Re: satellite clusters Unix tool like VMS' DTM? Re: VMS Filename/type length Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris [OT] disk drive spin direction" Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:49:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself, Message-ID: <41F0195C.826D4F59@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote: >  > I agree entirely with Bill.   G No, that can't be. How long before the universe collapses onto itself ?   M You know what happens when matter (Fred) touches antimatter (Bill Todd) ?????    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself$ Message-ID: <csp96i$8s2$2@online.de>  G In article <06mdnbF7pe92QnLcRVn-vA@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd ! <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:    I > There's a reason why Dave was so well-known, and it's not just because  # > he was such a colorful character.   G Somewhere on the web, I read how someone described working with him as  F like acting in a homo-erotic cowboy movie.  Colorful character indeed!   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:50:32 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself$ Message-ID: <csp938$8s2$1@online.de>  > In article <YDQHd.6238$jO6.4924@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:    H > There are many opinions and folklore on how much impact Cutler had on C > OpenVMS as compared to people like Dick Hustvedt.  As a point of  K > reference, we have a Hustvedt conference room here in the OpenVMS group,  K > but we don't have a Cutler conference room.  Not to say that Dave didn't  I > have a significant impact on OpenVMS, but he is just a very well known  ? > character from a much larger cast of lesser known characters.   G Indeed.  Didn't Cutler leave around VMS 1.0?  Sadly, Hustvedt's active  G life was cut short by an accident.  During my pilgrimage to Spit Brook  < Road back in 1999, I was lucky enough to stand in said room.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:58:21 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>2 Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself2 Message-ID: <hIWHd.6302$Z27.1260@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > FredK wrote: >  >>I agree entirely with Bill.  >  > I > No, that can't be. How long before the universe collapses onto itself ?  > O > You know what happens when matter (Fred) touches antimatter (Bill Todd) ?????   B No, it just means that Fred's and Bill's recount of Dave Cutler's + influence is way more correct than my view.    --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 20:15:25 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin directionC Message-ID: <1106280925.269656.309280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, ) > 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: @ > > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing	 something F > > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I > > recall right?  > > E > > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why?  if it  > > spins IN to the heads. > ? > Real disk drives don't have spiral tracks at all.  They write   ? Yes, I know that. But that has nothing to do with the question.   B > data in concentric circles.  CD's are written in a spiral in theB > opposite direction as an old vinyl record.  I assume DVDs do theD > same.  I don't know the reason for the direction, or even if there > is a reason.  E But which way does the platter(s) spin relative to the head assembly? D Imagine -- *except* for the circle vs. spiral aspect of it -- a disk@ platter(s) and its head assembly to be like a record on a stereoE turntable. Does the platter(s) spin relative to the heads in the same 8 direction or in the opposite direction as the turntable?   Thanks.        >  > bill >  > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three  wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:26:25 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com + Subject: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris 0 Message-ID: <87651sare6.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  1 brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:   A > Yes, although certain components are not shared between the two E > architectures.  For instance, anything to do with images and object C > files is completely separate, since the I64 uses ELF object/image 	 > format.   C What are the advantages of ELF over the Alpha VMS formats? Will ELF  be ported back to the Vax?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:52:09 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris 2 Message-ID: <JZTHd.6269$PX6.4261@news.cpqcorp.net>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:   > E > What are the advantages of ELF over the Alpha VMS formats? Will ELF  > be ported back to the Vax? >   G For the format itself, probably not much advantage.  However using ELF  # does leverage a couple of things...   H 1) In theory, it makes it easier to port opensource tools that read and B manipulate object and executable files to OpenVMS I64 (profilers,  object/image optimizers, etc.)  I 2) It reduces the amount of work to port a Unix/Linux ELF-based compiler   to OpenVMS I64.   L There are no plans to move ELF back to either Alpha or VAX as far as I know.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 14:40:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris 3 Message-ID: <Z4r2V1GZYUcs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <87651sare6.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:3 > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:  > B >> Yes, although certain components are not shared between the twoF >> architectures.  For instance, anything to do with images and objectD >> files is completely separate, since the I64 uses ELF object/image
 >> format. > < > What are the advantages of ELF over the Alpha VMS formats?  & It is compatible with some Unix tools.  
 > Will ELF > be ported back to the Vax?  D I predict not.  Even a hobbyist would have a hard time justifying it on VAX/VMS.   5 Perhaps it already _is_ on VAX for some Unix variant.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:58:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris , Message-ID: <41F01B74.5E9DFFC3@teksavvy.com>   John Reagan wrote:I > 1) In theory, it makes it easier to port opensource tools that read and C > manipulate object and executable files to OpenVMS I64 (profilers,   > object/image optimizers, etc.)  E Something I don't inderstand. Does ELF refer to the actual image file F format ? If so, when you consider all the VMS specific properties of aC VMS image, (shared libraries etc etc), how could you apply an image - fortmat of another operating system on VMS ?    / And does windows have an ANA/IMAGE equivalent ?     J > 2) It reduces the amount of work to port a Unix/Linux ELF-based compiler > to OpenVMS I64.   C Does the compiler really know much about the output of the linker ?     N > There are no plans to move ELF back to either Alpha or VAX as far as I know.  E Woudln't that require everyone relink ALL executable files on VAX and 6 Alpha with some new linker that generates ELF images ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:52:17 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: ELF format Was: vms versus solaris 2 Message-ID: <lKVHd.6291$uZ6.3968@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Reagan wrote: > I >>1) In theory, it makes it easier to port opensource tools that read and C >>manipulate object and executable files to OpenVMS I64 (profilers,   >>object/image optimizers, etc.) >  > G > Something I don't inderstand. Does ELF refer to the actual image file H > format ? If so, when you consider all the VMS specific properties of aE > VMS image, (shared libraries etc etc), how could you apply an image / > fortmat of another operating system on VMS ?    H ELF refers (at least in my mind) both to the physical format and to the H various things inside the file (symbol table, relocations, static data, F instructions, etc.)  There are also several extensible areas that ELF D defines.  Yes, we invented OS-specific tags to describe some of the H OpenVMS-unique features for dealing with things like symbol vectors and E the like.  For concepts like shared libraries, that isn't an OpenVMS   unique concept.   H During the early days of porting, we did take the output from the BLISS H and C cross-compilers (running on OpenVMS Alpha) to a Linux I64 box and I linked them and ran them.  Now those were small, hand-crafted files that  I didn't reference ANY part of OpenVMS.  In general, you probably couldn't  " do that with any "useful" program.   > J >>2) It reduces the amount of work to port a Unix/Linux ELF-based compiler >>to OpenVMS I64.  >  > E > Does the compiler really know much about the output of the linker ?   I ELF is both the object format and the image format.  You'll find that on  F OpenVMS I64 the ANAL/OBJ and ANAL/IMAGE commands invoke the same file.      N >>There are no plans to move ELF back to either Alpha or VAX as far as I know. >  > G > Woudln't that require everyone relink ALL executable files on VAX and 8 > Alpha with some new linker that generates ELF images ?  G Or teach the VAX and Alpha image activators, librarian, ANALYZE tools,  G etc. to deal with both image formats, yes.  Seems like a great deal of  + work and complexity for no obvious benefit.      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:16:08 -0600 ' From: "Tom M" <kryios@spam.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: GnuPG in batch 0 Message-ID: <QumdnVMtE8lOH23cRVn-hQ@comcast.com>  & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message= news:1106236736.672288.189000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >  > Tom M wrote:6 > > "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> wrote in message6 > > news:ccssu09lrehgkq3a6rik3nvdluhblah07p@4ax.com...
 > > > Hi all,  > > >  > > > OpenVMS 7.3-2  > > > GnuPG  v1.2.3  > > > G > > > Has anyone got an example of how to use the PASSPHRASE-FD command  > ofI > > > GnuPG when running in batch?  I've searched the net but cannot find ) > > > any examples of it's use under VMS.  > > > H > > > I'm currently writing the GPG command into a temporay command file@ > > > with the passphrase on the second line but wondered if the6 > > > PASSPHRASE-FD would provide a 'neater' solution. > > >  > > >  > > > Thanks in advance  > > > Dave.  > > 8 > > You can embed the passphrase in the command file as: > > 9 > > $gpg --batch --passphrase-fd 0 --decryptfile 'pgpfile  > > passphrase > > 2 > > Don't know if thats what you were looking for.: > how about for PGP?  How can you automate a decrypt then? >  try:  ' $pgp +batchmode -z"passphrase" 'pgpfile   B you can express passphrase as a symbol (i.e. ' 'passphrasesymbol')   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:43:57 -0500 . From: "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net>7 Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay , Message-ID: <35an0lF4jhu15U1@individual.net>   Thanks!    JF Mezei wrote: 3 >  "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net> writes:  > ; > |>PS. Please don't post dumps as it exposes my real email ' > |>address in the file to the bots....  >  > C > Your links will be picked up by the bots and indexed looked into. ) >  Posting dumps won't make a difference.  > F > If you do not want to have private information released to the net, D > then never include documents produced by microsoft software which K > often includes information from your system and possibly portions of RAM, G > clipboard or other blocks that you don't want exposed to the outside.  >  >  > Q > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- U > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups G > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:46:39 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS@ Message-ID: <41f018b0$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>  G The following additional links were provided in a Email distributed by   Sue...   HP OpenVMS Data Sheet - PDF 7 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9832EN.pdf   @ HP Product Bulletin - World Wide QuickSpecs - OpenVMS ClusteringA http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/Division/11733.html   A Fibre Channel in a Disaster-Tolerant OpenVMS Cluster System - PDF < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms_dt.pdf     Keith Cayemberg wrote:   > K > Just a "heads-up" for those who missed these links during the OpenVMS on   > Itanium announcement today...  > ' > OpenVMS Version 8.2 announcement page 3 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms82_announce.html  > + > HP OpenVMS : Still exceeding expectations B > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.htm9 > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9831EN.pdf ; > http://h10054.www1.hp.com/ent_event/PDF/OpenVMS_0105a.pdf  > ? > HP OpenVMS V8.2 : The evolution and investment continue - PDF @ > http://h10054.www1.hp.com/ent_event/PDF/HP_OpenVMS_V8.2_Wp.pdf > J > HP OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 (OpenVMS I64) Business Practices for HP  > Integrity Servers - PDF A > http://h10054.www1.hp.com/ent_event/PDF/OpenVMS_Biz_Prac_wp.pdf  > ' > HP OpenVMS 2005 Business Solutions CD 6 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/business_solutions_cd.html > > > The HP OpenVMS Approach to High Availability Computing - PDF; > http://h10054.www1.hp.com/ent_event/PDF/OpenVMS_HA_WP.pdf  > ( > HP OpenVMS and the Adaptive Enterprise@ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/adaptenterprise/index.html > H > This informative new video celebrates the legendary OpenVMS operating H > system now available on Integrity servers. "OpenVMS continues to be a H > strategic platform for HP. This is demonstrated by the new release of J > OpenVMS Version 8.2 for both Integrity servers and AlphaServer systems. F > With OpenVMS now supporting Integrity servers, we have expanded our J > multi-OS capability" states Ann Livermore, Executive Vice President for F > the HP Technology Solutions Group. This video also features several J > field-test customers of OpenVMS Version 8.2, as well as Mark Gorham, VP J > OpenVMS systems and Jack Novia, Senior VP and Managing Director for the  > Americas. B > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/integrity_video.html > , > HP Integrity server family animation video6 > http://www.hpbroadband.com/program.cfm?key=integrity > 	 > Cheers!  >  > Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:47:05 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS, Message-ID: <41F034E0.2F2586ED@teksavvy.com>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > H > The following additional links were provided in a Email distributed by > Sue... >  > HP OpenVMS Data Sheet - PDF 9 > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9832EN.pdf    etc.  E As a suggestion, providing obscure links isn't that great. You should H provide the simple path to click from www.hp.com. Obscure pages that areJ not easily seen from the home page doesn't do much to advertise a product.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:28:47 -0500 * From: "Marc Holmes" <mholmes@ca.inter.net>  Subject: New to VMS.  Installing+ Message-ID: <35b7mtF4kpeccU1@uni-berlin.de>   @ I am trying to install a version of VMS on a Vaxserver3100 using5 the VMS CD with a Sony Model #CDU561-25 cd rom drive.   > I can mount/foreign the drive and backup to the drive, but theH automatic installer dies if I try to let it install by itself and I cant% find a ctrl c or anything to stop it.    I get the error E %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKB200: IS OFFLINE. MOUNT VERIFICATION IN  # PROGRESS     and the machine hangs.    Any ideas would be appreciated.    Marc Holmes  Ottawa   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:30:24 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: New to VMS.  Installing+ Message-ID: <41F07750.85E14CC7@comcast.net>    Marc Holmes wrote: > B > I am trying to install a version of VMS on a Vaxserver3100 using7 > the VMS CD with a Sony Model #CDU561-25 cd rom drive.  > @ > I can mount/foreign the drive and backup to the drive, but theJ > automatic installer dies if I try to let it install by itself and I cant' > find a ctrl c or anything to stop it.  >  > I get the error F > %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKB200: IS OFFLINE. MOUNT VERIFICATION IN% > PROGRESS     and the machine hangs.  > ! > Any ideas would be appreciated.   C Well, you don't indicate which version of VMS, but in general, your C CD-ROM drive needs to support 512-byte blocks. Without a version or : architecture (VAX or Alpha), that's about all one can say.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:20:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: New to VMS.  Installing, Message-ID: <41F082FF.C86DE647@teksavvy.com>   Marc Holmes wrote:@ > I can mount/foreign the drive and backup to the drive, but theJ > automatic installer dies if I try to let it install by itself and I cant' > find a ctrl c or anything to stop it.   H Of you can run standalone backup to move the B saveset to the hard driveF , you could do the same to copy (but not unpack) the other savesets toG the disk drive and when the install procedure executes, you tell it the 5 savesets reside on your hard drive instead of the CD.     E If you wish to investigate, you can B/1 DKA200 (or whatever your hard B drive comes up as) and in SYSBOOT, you can change the startup fileE (SHOW/STARTUP, take note of the file which points to the installation G procedure) and then use SET/STARTUP=OPA0: or SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM and H then SET STARTUP_P1 = "MIN" and CONTINUE. You can then access the $ signG with a minimal version of VMS, and then try to diagnose the CD rom in a > better way. (MC SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL is your friend here).  E Once you're done, you get back into SYSGEN and reset the /STARTUP and C STARTUP_P1 parameters to original values and continue installation.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:11:59 GMT 8 From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aaron.schroeder@tmscomputers.com>, Subject: Re: Newbie Hobbyist NFS Question.../ Message-ID: <41F039CD.6040107@tmscomputers.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:  >  >>Schroeder, AJ wrote: >>	 >>>Hello,  >>> C >>>I have a OpenVMS hobbyist system running 7.3-1. I have TCPIP 5.3  >> >>installed  >>G >>>and functional, however, I would like to start using this machine as  >> >>an NFS >>G >>>server. Whenever I run TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and go into the server setup  >> >>menu,  >>C >>>the NFS server shows that I do not have a license. I loaded (and  >>
 >>enabled) >>1 >>>the UCX-IP-NFS license, but that did not help.  >>> C >>>My question; does the hobbyist program have a license for an NFS  >> >>server? If >>D >>>so, what is the product called? I have looked through the license >> >>file that  >>H >>>was sent to me by DECUS and the above PAK is the only one with NFS in >> >>the  >>6 >>>name. Here is a list of the licenses on my machine: >>> 	 >>> BASIC  >>> C  >>> OPENVMS-ALPHA  >>> OPENVMS-HOBBYIST >>> UCX-IP-CLIENT  >>> UCX-IP-NFS >>D >>>Thanks in advance for any help on this one, I'm sure it's an easy >>
 >>one. But >>% >>>google doesn't offer much on this.  >>>  >>>AJ Schroeder  >>F >>Take a look to see if you have a plain UCX license and install that.F >>The UCX-IP-CLIENT license doesn't allow you to run NFS and (I think)= >>DNS servers; I'm not sure what the UCX-IP-NFS license does.  >  > G > Like he said - install the UCX base license and load it. See how that 	 > goes...  > H That did the trick! Now when I run TCPIP$CONFIG.COM it shows all server  products have licenses now.   H If I would have been awake I would have seen the UCX license PAK in the  email from DECUS.   ) Thank you for your help Jordan and David!    AJ Schroeder   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:22:40 GMT 8 From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aaron.schroeder@tmscomputers.com>, Subject: Re: Newbie Hobbyist NFS Question...; Message-ID: <43XHd.231155$T02.183446@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:  >  >>Schroeder, AJ wrote: >>	 >>>Hello,  >>> C >>>I have a OpenVMS hobbyist system running 7.3-1. I have TCPIP 5.3  >> >>installed  >>G >>>and functional, however, I would like to start using this machine as  >> >>an NFS >>G >>>server. Whenever I run TCPIP$CONFIG.COM and go into the server setup  >> >>menu,  >>C >>>the NFS server shows that I do not have a license. I loaded (and  >>
 >>enabled) >>1 >>>the UCX-IP-NFS license, but that did not help.  >>> C >>>My question; does the hobbyist program have a license for an NFS  >> >>server? If >>D >>>so, what is the product called? I have looked through the license >> >>file that  >>H >>>was sent to me by DECUS and the above PAK is the only one with NFS in >> >>the  >>6 >>>name. Here is a list of the licenses on my machine: >>> 	 >>> BASIC  >>> C  >>> OPENVMS-ALPHA  >>> OPENVMS-HOBBYIST >>> UCX-IP-CLIENT  >>> UCX-IP-NFS >>D >>>Thanks in advance for any help on this one, I'm sure it's an easy >>
 >>one. But >>% >>>google doesn't offer much on this.  >>>  >>>AJ Schroeder  >>F >>Take a look to see if you have a plain UCX license and install that.F >>The UCX-IP-CLIENT license doesn't allow you to run NFS and (I think)= >>DNS servers; I'm not sure what the UCX-IP-NFS license does.  >  > G > Like he said - install the UCX base license and load it. See how that 	 > goes...  > H That did the trick! Now when I run TCPIP$CONFIG.COM it shows all server  products have licenses now.   H If I would have been awake I would have seen the UCX license PAK in the  email from DECUS.   ) Thank you for your help Jordan and David!    AJ Schroeder   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jan 2005 22:30:57 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) 3 Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM : Message-ID: <cspbf1$gjq$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  B In message <1106186089.085908.324940@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>5    "Kannan" <kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com> writes: G >I am running a server application that is heavily threaded. It creates H >threads to execute some tasks and exits out of the thread when the taskH >completes. This happens on a periodic basis at a rate of probably aboutD >2 to 4 threads per minute. I find that the application fails in theH >pthread_create() call after about 15 to 20 hrs of running with a return >value of ENOMEM(12).   = First thing I'd check is that you are detaching your threads.       < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:14:08 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>3 Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM D Message-ID: <4s_Hd.8244$8u5.6001@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  
 Kannan wrote: H > I am running a server application that is heavily threaded. It createsI > threads to execute some tasks and exits out of the thread when the task I > completes. This happens on a periodic basis at a rate of probably about E > 2 to 4 threads per minute. I find that the application fails in the I > pthread_create() call after about 15 to 20 hrs of running with a return G > value of ENOMEM(12). I checked my account quotas and they all seem to E > be adequate even at the point of failure. Here's the process quotas A > just after the process has failed in the pthread_create() call:  > ---------------  > Process Quotas:  > Account name: 28916 G > CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:     30000 G > Buffered I/O byte count quota:   8767744  Buffered I/O limit:   30000 G > Timer queue entry quota:             607  Open file quota:       2340 G > Paging file quota:               7670192  Subprocess quota:        95 G > Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:            19994 G > Enqueue quota:                      8178  Shared file limit:        0 G > Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0  > ---------------  > C > The MAXTHREADS system parameter on the system is at 256, and I do F > observe that the running threads in my process is nowehere near thatG > number. I instrumented some thread tracking info to keep track of how B > many threads are created and deleted. At the point of failure, IB > observe that 1810 threads had been created, and 1806 threads hadH > completed, leaving only 4 threads running. This is also confirmed whenC > I do a 'show task/all' in my debugger session and all of the 1806 # > threads show status 'terminated'.  > ! > My thread stacksize is at 500K.  > A > Is it possible that this stacksize value might cause the ENOMEM F > problem? As I understand it, this is a per-thread stacksize problem,G > and shouldn't be a problem with respect to mem availability a long as  > my PAGFILQUO is sufficient.  > $ > Any pointers would be appreciated. >   E ENOMEM is the generic response from the Pthreads API when it doesn't  E have enough memory to create *something*.  That something could be a  E thread, a mutex, a condition variable, a name, a thread specific key   values, etc, etc.   F I suggest that you look at the Visual Threads package that ships free  with OpenVMS 7.3 and above.   / Look here for details: http://tinyurl.com/4lg97    Jim. --   jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:28:38 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>= Subject: Re: Reading a VMS IMage backup tape form Windows NT. + Message-ID: <41F076E6.14E5B8F2@comcast.net>   " gribbinjf@npt.nuwc.navy.mil wrote: > 	 > Hi All,  > ; > PLease point me in the right direction.  I am looking for = > utilities to read a VMS BACKUP/IMAGE tape from a Windows NT 	 > server.   E Well, understand that being able to get the files from the saveset is G one thing. Being able to us ethe files on a non-VMS system is something  else entirely.   Still want to try it?   E Google is your friend (though not as convenient as it once was). Look  for transoft.com, also.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:01:36 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com # Subject: Re: Region coded VMS next? - Message-ID: <87oefjaprj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   # Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:    > I have done that.   K >>HP calls the cartridges the same '57' or '14' or whatever for all markets 0 >>yet some clearly are 'sabotaged' from working.  M > The '15' & '78' that I have bought in WalMart in Amherst NH work fine in my  > European Officejet 5110   ' Go read /. hp is about to `help' you...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:56 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: Re: Region coded VMS next? , Message-ID: <1P6dncPzTfvuk23cRVn-2g@igs.net>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:% > Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:  >  >> I have done that. > E >>> HP calls the cartridges the same '57' or '14' or whatever for all : >>> markets yet some clearly are 'sabotaged' from working. > C >> The '15' & '78' that I have bought in WalMart in Amherst NH work % >> fine in my European Officejet 5110  > ) > Go read /. hp is about to `help' you...   H http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/01/20/0226204.shtml?tid=173&tid=126&tid=218   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:45:04 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: RMS- Message-ID: <871xcgaqj3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  = > RMS was part of the original design and came from RSX IIRC.   2 The original did, as RMS-32 was still in the oven.  C All the RMSs came out in the last 70s, early 80s, and they came out E pretty concistantly AIR. Though I never had much to do with RMS-10 or  20.    RMS and tkb....      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 21:35:45 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: RMS (was: vms versus solaris)3 Message-ID: <C6oB+BWfdmTa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opsku51golzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:I > Just curious, was RMS part of the original VMS design or did come about % > in order to support PL/I and Cobol?p  D    RMS was inheritted from RSX-11, where RMS replaced FCS.  IIRC VMSF    first supported Fortran, which makes gernerous use of RMS, and soon7    later COBOL, which does, too.  PL/I was after COBOL.e  H    It took a few years for foolish languages like C to be popular enough5    to be needed on VMS, and then to add stream files.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:50:15 +0100E0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: satellite clustersp@ Message-ID: <41effd67$0$820$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Dave Froble wrote:   > reb wrote: >  >>9 >>  From the VMS info linked to from yesterday's Webcast:  >>K >> "Drive continuous operations for your local, national, and international L >>  operations with full cluster functionality at distances up to 800 Km and* >>  up to 90,000 Km for disaster recovery" >>K >> Looks like someone has been doing cluster comms bouncing off a satellites? >> or two.  Does the 'same time zone' requirement still apply ?  >> >> >> reb >  > I > That's too far out for a geo-sync orbit, which is what I'd choose if I  4 > was going off-planet for disaster tollerance.  :-) >   E Please note that there is difference in the configurations between a -D Disaster Tolerant (DT) and a Disaster Recovery (DR) Clusters; and a I potentially significant difference in their availability when a disaster  F takes place. OpenVMS supports both modes very well, but evidently the G distance between multi-site clusters can greatly increased, if only DR i is required.   Cheers!.   Keith Cayemberge   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:31:10 GMTF1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: satellite clusters 2 Message-ID: <2GTHd.6265$fR6.1198@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 reb wrote:J > Looks like someone has been doing cluster comms bouncing off a satellite> > or two.  Does the 'same time zone' requirement still apply ?  I Fibre Channel storage traffic was run through FC-over-IP boxes and delay dH was introduced to simulate distance via latency. Both Continuous Access G and VMS Host-Based Volume Shadowing were tested at extended distances, aG and worked. But cluster (SCS) traffic did not travel over the distance  J -- just Fibre Channel (storage) traffic. Thus the "Disaster Recovery" tag.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:38:10 -05000' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>E Subject: Re: satellite clustersC, Message-ID: <41F008A2.3040308@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:e   > Dave Froble wrote: > L >>> operations with full cluster functionality at distances up to 800 Km and* >>> up to 90,000 Km for disaster recovery" >>>a > R >>That's too far out for a geo-sync orbit, which is what I'd choose if I was going* >>off-planet for disaster tollerance.  :-) >> > J > geo is 35,796km. So if you package an Alpha with solar arrays and properI > cooling and its own telecom and data storage, you could cluster with iteC > since it would be well within this new extended limit fo 90,000km $ > according to the previous post :-) > F > Oh, you need to protect it from solar radiation, extreme heat, solar' > flares and possible micrometeor hits.s    < Engineering for some, have a replacement ready for the hits.    J > And you might want to design disk drives that also double as CMGs (usingF > gyroscopic properties of spinning platters to orient the satellite). > I > The advantage is of security: no human would ever be able to access itsDE > OPA0: and thus have the ability to bypass its security :-) Hardwarer > upgrades would be quite hard.     O Ha!  Want to try that one on Bert Rutan?  Upgrades are in the same catagory as l the 'forklift' upgrade.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 12:17:50 -0800  From: "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com>! Subject: Unix tool like VMS' DTM?lB Message-ID: <1106252270.046503.21160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  E DTM (DEC Test Manager) is a tool that runs on VMS which allows you to F do regression testing of non-GUI software.  Does anyone know of such a tool that runs on Unix?o  D I support an application that runs "in batch" on Unix.  It takes oneD input parameter on the command line when the application is invoked,B and the output is a single text file.  I'd like to have a DTM-likeE utility that will help me build, manage, and execute regression testsdD so that I can be sure when I change the application it doesn't break* anything that's passed the previous tests.$ Anyone know of such a tool?  Thanks!   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 22:33:49 -0800  From: "Elie" <elie.uy@gmail.com>% Subject: Re: VMS Filename/type length C Message-ID: <1106289229.168253.224040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>n  2 Thank you for all the replies. ODS-5 is my answer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:00:09 +0800n From: prep@prep.synonet.comD Subject: Re: vms versus solaris - Message-ID: <87sm4w9b9i.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  5 > In article <XKswSWxjDAFb@eisner.encompasserve.org>,x2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  F >> Does that mean a user can raise values with the ulimit command evenA >> though the system manager has set them to a particular limit ?    > No.   G For a varing value of No... This is unix after all. It depends on whichl3 unix, and if the SM has set up hard limits as well.y   -- k< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:56:56 +0800o From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: vms versus solariss- Message-ID: <87wtu89bev.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:j  D > Lets say VMS engineers were tasked to add new RMS fields such as a
 > "comments",   G Cought, you mean `replace'. Go look at a VMS <4 file header definition.p Pity nothing ever used it :(  A >  "source URL" and "keywords" fields. This could be done by just0D > adding fields to the FAB structure, probably an XAB. (think of the4 > use of comments when storing images for instance).   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 21:29:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p Subject: Re: vms versus solaris 3 Message-ID: <ypcjJLZ$MlwM@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  W In article <35766mF4h517hU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   = > Not true.  Depending on shell variables are either exportedt@ > automatically or can be using the "export" command.  For every@ > modern shell I am aware of, it is automatic.  If this were notA > true, there would be no way for the system to pass to all usersF! > things like PATH, TERMCAP, etc.   C    There would be, since most shells have other ways.  But "modern"eF    shell is in the eye of the beholder.  About half the popular shells?    today automate "export" and about half of them don't.  WMWV.L    D > I should have read on.  But the above still stands.  There really  > is only one type of variable.a  B    Depends on the shell.  Most distinguish between "variables" and?    "aliases" which are similar (strings that stand for strings)oF    but used differently.  There are shells that distinguish string vs.C    integer and some that don't.  I would not be surprized to find aa,    shell with float, but I can't recall one.    nE >> A shell symbol that needs to be visible to a child process and/or aG >> program invoked from a script can be made an environment variable.   J >> Environment variables are passed down (inherited) by child processes.      I >> BUT, unlike a Global Symbol, changes to the environment variable by a a1 >> child process are _NOT_ visible to the parent.-  D    Global symbol changes in DCL are NOT visible to a parent process,G    but are visible to a parent script.  This distinction has to do withv5    not spawning a process for every image activation..   >>  K >> And Global Symbols can also be used to return information to the parent lF >> when running a program that does not spawn a subprocess, because a J >> program is run in the same process space as DCL, just a different mode. >  > Don't understand this one.  E    A DCL script, nested calls to another DCL script, or an executableeG    image can all change and see each other's global DCL symbols because $    they are all in the same process.   >> nG >> I would say the closest thing to a logical name would be a symbolic  
 >> link.   > B > A symbolic link is merely a different logical name for a file orA > directory.  Other than that, it passes no information and beingnA > as it can point at a non-existant filename sometimes it doesn'tr > pass any information.     E    The use of symbolic links as a replacement for logical names is anhH    oft cited escape from reality.  Using logical name X your program can>    open file X and not know what the real name of X is.  UsingD    symbolic link X in your current directory your program can open XH    without knowing the "real name" of X.  Other uses of logical names toB    pass information can be simulated by using the file system, butD    do not have the same scope, hierarchy, or implementation as usingC    logical names and are not implementable simply by using symbolicc	    links.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2005 19:39:27 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>' Subject: [OT] disk drive spin direction C Message-ID: <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethingB about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I
 recall right?(  G Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if its spins IN to the heads. s   Thanks.    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jan 2005 03:51:04 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin directionF, Message-ID: <35bch8F4j52fuU1@individual.net>  C In article <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,d' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: H > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethingD > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I > recall right?A > I > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if itf > spins IN to the heads.    = Real disk drives don't have spiral tracks at all.  They writer@ data in concentric circles.  CD's are written in a spiral in the@ opposite direction as an old vinyl record.  I assume DVDs do theB same.  I don't know the reason for the direction, or even if there is a reason.   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   g   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.041 ************************