0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 21 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 42      Contents: Re: Accounting Utility) Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  RE: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: GnuPG in batch Re: GnuPG in batch1 Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement 1 Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement  Re: New to VMS.  Installing * Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM* Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM* Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM PWS 600au Memory$ RE; Using GLUT (OpenGL) on VMS 7.3.2( Re: RE; Using GLUT (OpenGL) on VMS 7.3.2! Re: RMS (was: vms versus solaris) 1 Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris) 1 Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris) 1 Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris)  SSH SCP on OpenVMS  TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters$ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters$ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Re: Unix tool like VMS' DTM? using pipes for communication ! Re: using pipes for communication ! Re: using pipes for communication ! Re: using pipes for communication ! Re: using pipes for communication ! Re: using pipes for communication / Why growing the VMS installed base is important " Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction" Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction" Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction" Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 03:01:01 -0800 From: andrew@floatingbear.ca Subject: Re: Accounting Utility C Message-ID: <1106302753.274521.297400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   C Thanks for the advice everyone.  It looks like I need to spend some , more time with the manuals and help screens. Andrew Butchart  andrew@floatingbear.ca   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:53:24 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>2 Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself2 Message-ID: <Uz9Id.6352$AC7.4553@news.cpqcorp.net>  J I was in Software Services during the time VMS V1 was developed.  My senseI of history comes from a couple areas.  One is having to support RSX11M/M+ L in the field requiring me to become very familiar with the internals of RSX.K Looking at the core VMS internals in the areas that were important to me in B the field (the IO subsystem, the scheduler, etc) led to inescapble conclusions J about the design.  Second was that even at the time, Cutler was a "legend"J inside DEC.  Too many stories to recount here.  Lastly was just talking toF people who were/are friends of each, and those who were part of the V1K development.  They will talk until the sun comes up, and depending on their I POV they will give one or the other a larger share of the credit.  Cutler  was H not, by most accounts, a loveable guy ;-).  In the end, they both were a hugeD part of the development.  Legends happen in many ways, Dick and Dave just represent 2 of them.     3 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message , news:hIWHd.6302$Z27.1260@news.cpqcorp.net... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > FredK wrote: > >  > >>I agree entirely with Bill.  > >  > > K > > No, that can't be. How long before the universe collapses onto itself ?  > > K > > You know what happens when matter (Fred) touches antimatter (Bill Todd)  ?????  > C > No, it just means that Fred's and Bill's recount of Dave Cutler's - > influence is way more correct than my view.  >  > --  
 > John Reagan 1 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jan 2005 13:41:25 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction, Message-ID: <35cf45F4j4e5vU1@individual.net>  C In article <1106280925.269656.309280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:F >> In article <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,* >> 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:A >> > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing  > something G >> > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I  >> > recall right? >> >F >> > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? > if it  >> > spins IN to the heads.  >>@ >> Real disk drives don't have spiral tracks at all.  They write > A > Yes, I know that. But that has nothing to do with the question.  > C >> data in concentric circles.  CD's are written in a spiral in the C >> opposite direction as an old vinyl record.  I assume DVDs do the E >> same.  I don't know the reason for the direction, or even if there  >> is a reason.  > G > But which way does the platter(s) spin relative to the head assembly? F > Imagine -- *except* for the circle vs. spiral aspect of it -- a diskB > platter(s) and its head assembly to be like a record on a stereoG > turntable. Does the platter(s) spin relative to the heads in the same : > direction or in the opposite direction as the turntable? > 	 > Thanks.     9 So, you mean does it spin clockwise or counter-clockwise? B That I don't know for sure.  I couldn't even guess if they are all the same.  Why would it matter?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 06:24:26 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin directionB Message-ID: <1106317466.761380.58690@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1106280925.269656.309280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ) > 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > >  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> In article 8 <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,, > >> 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:C > >> > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing 
 > > something G > >> > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do  I  > >> > recall right? > >> >C > >> > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer  Why?	 > > if it  > >> > spins IN to the heads.  > >>B > >> Real disk drives don't have spiral tracks at all.  They write > > C > > Yes, I know that. But that has nothing to do with the question.  > > E > >> data in concentric circles.  CD's are written in a spiral in the E > >> opposite direction as an old vinyl record.  I assume DVDs do the G > >> same.  I don't know the reason for the direction, or even if there  > >> is a reason.  > > ? > > But which way does the platter(s) spin relative to the head 	 assembly? C > > Imagine -- *except* for the circle vs. spiral aspect of it -- a  diskD > > platter(s) and its head assembly to be like a record on a stereoD > > turntable. Does the platter(s) spin relative to the heads in the same< > > direction or in the opposite direction as the turntable? > >  > > Thanks.  >  > ; > So, you mean does it spin clockwise or counter-clockwise? D > That I don't know for sure.  I couldn't even guess if they are all! > the same.  Why would it matter?   C In the case of a stereo turntable, if you spun the record backwards D (CCW), it wouldn't work too well! I would have thought that the sameB would be true for disk drives, but maybe there is some reason it'sE better to run them "backwards". And if so, I'd like to know, and why.   C Why would it matter? Because I'm curious! I like to know how things E work. I find things like that interesting. I find it fascinating that . such devices could work so well for so little.; As to my original question: I guess that no one here knows.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:32:14 -0500 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> & Subject: RE: disk drive spin directionQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADB0D5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   A dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the 4 platters?  if so, the direction must be important...   -----Original Message-----, From: AEF [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]=20& Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:24 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction       Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1106280925.269656.309280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ) > 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > >  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> In article 8 <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,, > >> 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:C > >> > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing 
 > > something G > >> > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do  I  > >> > recall right? > >> >C > >> > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer  Why?	 > > if it  > >> > spins IN to the heads.  > >>B > >> Real disk drives don't have spiral tracks at all.  They write > > C > > Yes, I know that. But that has nothing to do with the question.  > > H > >> data in concentric circles.  CD's are written in a spiral in the=20H > >> opposite direction as an old vinyl record.  I assume DVDs do the=20J > >> same.  I don't know the reason for the direction, or even if there=20 > >> is a reason.  > > ? > > But which way does the platter(s) spin relative to the head 	 assembly? C > > Imagine -- *except* for the circle vs. spiral aspect of it -- a  diskG > > platter(s) and its head assembly to be like a record on a stereo=20 D > > turntable. Does the platter(s) spin relative to the heads in the same< > > direction or in the opposite direction as the turntable? > >  > > Thanks.  >  > H > So, you mean does it spin clockwise or counter-clockwise? That I don't  I > know for sure.  I couldn't even guess if they are all the same.  Why=20  > would it matter?  C In the case of a stereo turntable, if you spun the record backwards D (CCW), it wouldn't work too well! I would have thought that the sameB would be true for disk drives, but maybe there is some reason it'sE better to run them "backwards". And if so, I'd like to know, and why.   C Why would it matter? Because I'm curious! I like to know how things E work. I find things like that interesting. I find it fascinating that @ such devices could work so well for so little. As to my original) question: I guess that no one here knows.       ) ----------------------------------------- L The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c=L onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n=L amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent =L responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any revi=L ew, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is str=L ictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the=L  sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original =L message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio=L ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o= rders and/or instructions.L If you, as the intended recipient of this message, the purpose of which is =L to inform and update our clients, prospects and consultants of developments=L  relating to our services and products, would not like to receive further e=L -mail correspondence from the sender, please "reply" to the sender indicati=L ng your wishes.  In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 101= 05.    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jan 2005 14:53:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction, Message-ID: <35cjb5F4j6g5hU2@individual.net>  Q In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADB0D5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, 8 	"Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes:C > dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the 6 > platters?  if so, the direction must be important...  B Well, in a bacwards sort of way, just like the record player.  The@ direction doesn't make any difference but the heads are designed? based on the direction, after the fact.  The disk could spin in . either direction as long as the heads matched.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jan 2005 14:50:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction, Message-ID: <35cj5vF4j6g5hU1@individual.net>  B In article <1106317466.761380.58690@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:F >> In article <1106280925.269656.309280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,* >> 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >> > >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >> >> In article: > <1106278767.695842.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,- >> >> 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: D >> >> > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing >> > somethingH >> >> > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do > I  >> >> > recall right?  >> >> > D >> >> > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer > Why?
 >> > if it >> >> > spins IN to the heads. >> >> C >> >> Real disk drives don't have spiral tracks at all.  They write  >> >D >> > Yes, I know that. But that has nothing to do with the question. >> >F >> >> data in concentric circles.  CD's are written in a spiral in theF >> >> opposite direction as an old vinyl record.  I assume DVDs do theH >> >> same.  I don't know the reason for the direction, or even if there >> >> is a reason. >> >@ >> > But which way does the platter(s) spin relative to the head > assembly? D >> > Imagine -- *except* for the circle vs. spiral aspect of it -- a > diskE >> > platter(s) and its head assembly to be like a record on a stereo E >> > turntable. Does the platter(s) spin relative to the heads in the  > same= >> > direction or in the opposite direction as the turntable?  >> > >> > Thanks. >> >>< >> So, you mean does it spin clockwise or counter-clockwise?E >> That I don't know for sure.  I couldn't even guess if they are all " >> the same.  Why would it matter? > E > In the case of a stereo turntable, if you spun the record backwards F > (CCW), it wouldn't work too well! I would have thought that the sameD > would be true for disk drives, but maybe there is some reason it'sG > better to run them "backwards". And if so, I'd like to know, and why.   = Only because the whole mechanism was designed to spin in that > direction.  It could have been designed to spin  the other way< fromt he beginning.  Gues it depends on whether the originalB designer was right or left handed.  :-)  I don't think it matteredB which way they spin as long as the mechanism was designed based on that direction.   D Because physical contavt isn't really necessary, disks would be moreC closely compared to audio tape, which can (and ussualy does) run in  both directions.   > E > Why would it matter? Because I'm curious! I like to know how things G > work. I find things like that interesting. I find it fascinating that 0 > such devices could work so well for so little.= > As to my original question: I guess that no one here knows.   < Take an old disk.  Pullt he cover off.  Hook it up to power.; See which way it turns.  That's what I do when I get really  curious.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:59:06 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin directionB Message-ID: <41f118bb$0$17607$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Bochnik, William J wrote: C > dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the 6 > platters?  if so, the direction must be important... > I Yes, the magnetic heads should not touch the platter, otherwise the high  H speed friction would immediately damage the head, or platter or both. I I once accidentally caused this to happen to the system disk of a one week  H old VAX 11/730 in the early 1980s, A very high toned screeching made it E evident the system wouldn't boot again without a new hard drive. The  B college management was, to say the least, rather sour. But, I was I actually just the unlucky one to have put the system through it's paces,  = and to have discovered an imperfection on the disk's surface.   F The leading edge of the magnetic head is formed like a wing to create D increasing air pressure as it gets too close to the platter. In the I aeronautics this is known as the "ground effect". This is why one refers  2 to the magnetic head as "flying" over the platter.  F The following link explains more, but for some reason doesn't go into ' depth about the "flying magnetic head".   / http://computer.howstuffworks.com/hard-disk.htm 0 http://computer.howstuffworks.com/hard-disk6.htm   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:24:18 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction, Message-ID: <35cl91F4kkd7eU1@individual.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > [...snip...] > > > Take an old disk.  Pullt he cover off.  Hook it up to power.= > See which way it turns.  That's what I do when I get really 
 > curious.  C Bill, will it matter if I use an old Unix disk or an old VMS disk ?                                              P.s. :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:14:18 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction@ Message-ID: <41f12a5b$0$816$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote:   > Bochnik, William J wrote:  > D >> dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the7 >> platters?  if so, the direction must be important...  >>K > Yes, the magnetic heads should not touch the platter, otherwise the high  J > speed friction would immediately damage the head, or platter or both. I K > once accidentally caused this to happen to the system disk of a one week  J > old VAX 11/730 in the early 1980s, A very high toned screeching made it G > evident the system wouldn't boot again without a new hard drive. The  D > college management was, to say the least, rather sour. But, I was K > actually just the unlucky one to have put the system through it's paces,  ? > and to have discovered an imperfection on the disk's surface.  > H > The leading edge of the magnetic head is formed like a wing to create F > increasing air pressure as it gets too close to the platter. In the K > aeronautics this is known as the "ground effect". This is why one refers  4 > to the magnetic head as "flying" over the platter. >   I I have now found a much better description of the "flying magnetic head"  
 technology...   E http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/op/heads/opHeight.html   D Modern drive heads float over the surface of the disk and do all of B their work without ever physically touching the platters they are G magnetizing. The amount of space between the heads and the platters is  I called the floating height or flying height. It is also sometimes called  E the head gap, and some hard disk manufacturers refer to the heads as  ? riding on an "air bearing". The read/write head assemblies are  I spring-loaded--using the spring steel of the head arms--which causes the  I sliders to press against the platters when the disk is stationary. (This  E is done to ensure that the heads don't drift away from the platters;  > maintaining an exact floating height is essential for correct F operation.) When the disk spins up to operating speed, the high speed F causes air to flow under the sliders and lift them off the surface of I the disk--the same principle of lift that operates on aircraft wings and   enables them to fly.   Cheers!   " Keith "VAX-Killa" Cayemberg    :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:25:44 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction+ Message-ID: <csrduo$5rl$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Keith Cayemberg wrote:  K > I have now found a much better description of the "flying magnetic head"   > technology...  > G > http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/op/heads/opHeight.html  > F > Modern drive heads float over the surface of the disk and do all of D > their work without ever physically touching the platters they are I > magnetizing. The amount of space between the heads and the platters is  K > called the floating height or flying height. It is also sometimes called  G > the head gap, and some hard disk manufacturers refer to the heads as   > riding on an "air bearing".   I Special disk drives or pressured rooms are required at high altitudes or  4 said "bearings" will fail resulting in a head crash.  F Back to the original question at the start of this thread (clipped outF somewhere along the line), I think the original poster was asking, for a drive like this:  ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hard_disk_dismantled.jpg   > if you imagine the arm to be a vector, with the arrow pointingA towards the head, then is the disk spinning under the head moving   into the vector or away from it?  G I don't know the answer to that.  However, that air bearing is going to $ exert two force vectors on the head.  F 1.  The one perpendicular to the disk. This is the air bearing effect.H 2.  The one in the plane of the disk, normal to the track where the headI      is currently positioned, in the direction the disk is turning.  This D      one is due to drag from the air layer attached to the suface of      the disk.  5 Naively I'd expect it would be easier to maintain arm G stability if that (unit) second vector was in the same direction as the G (unit) arm vector (dot product ~= 1).  On the other hand, it might well ; be easier to reduce the seek time if that vector was in the @ exact opposite direction (dot product ~= -1).  There's precedent> for the latter type of design: some modern fighter planes are ; intrinsically unstable because it improves maneuverability, ; they are only flyable because of constant computer control.   9 If I had to bet it would be that the dot product is ~= 1.   $ Now I'm curious too.  Is it 1 or -1?   Regards,   David Mathog   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:47 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction( Message-ID: <opskyt09k4zgicya@hyrrokkin>  5 On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:14:18 +0100, Keith Cayemberg   ! <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote:    > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  >> Bochnik, William J wrote: >>E >>> dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the 8 >>> platters?  if so, the direction must be important... >>> H >> Yes, the magnetic heads should not touch the platter, otherwise the  I >> high speed friction would immediately damage the head, or platter or   L >> both. I once accidentally caused this to happen to the system disk of a  B >> one week old VAX 11/730 in the early 1980s, A very high toned  L >> screeching made it evident the system wouldn't boot again without a new  K >> hard drive. The college management was, to say the least, rather sour.   L >> But, I was actually just the unlucky one to have put the system through  E >> it's paces, and to have discovered an imperfection on the disk's    >> surface. K >>  The leading edge of the magnetic head is formed like a wing to create   H >> increasing air pressure as it gets too close to the platter. In the  F >> aeronautics this is known as the "ground effect". This is why one  < >> refers to the magnetic head as "flying" over the platter. >> > L > I have now found a much better description of the "flying magnetic head"   > technology...  > G > http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/op/heads/opHeight.html  > G > Modern drive heads float over the surface of the disk and do all of   E > their work without ever physically touching the platters they are   J > magnetizing. The amount of space between the heads and the platters is  L > called the floating height or flying height. It is also sometimes called  H > the head gap, and some hard disk manufacturers refer to the heads as  B > riding on an "air bearing". The read/write head assemblies are  L > spring-loaded--using the spring steel of the head arms--which causes the  L > sliders to press against the platters when the disk is stationary. (This  H > is done to ensure that the heads don't drift away from the platters;  A > maintaining an exact floating height is essential for correct   I > operation.) When the disk spins up to operating speed, the high speed   I > causes air to flow under the sliders and lift them off the surface of   L > the disk--the same principle of lift that operates on aircraft wings and   > enables them to fly.H I wonder at how many rpms the boundary layer becomes turbulent.  I one   head design L after the Whitney was called Bernoulli indicating laminar flow of course.   	 The point . being that turbulent flow will reduce the lift > 	 > Cheers!  > $ > Keith "VAX-Killa" Cayemberg    :-) >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:44:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction, Message-ID: <41F14D95.C61E0B2A@teksavvy.com>   Here are my 2 bits:   D The all mighty RA82 drives, with the huge magnet capable lifting carG that was used to move the heads did not have the heads perpendicular to ! the platter. It was an an angle.    F On a CD, the head travels on a pole that goes from centre to extremityF (radius) over the surface. It thus moves perpendicularly to tangentialF direction of travel. And can travel from the extremity of the CD rightB to almost its centre. Because the head bounces light and reads itsH reflection, the angle at which it bounces the light needs to be constant$ relative to the track's orientation.  E Most disk drives have the heads mounted on a pivot.  Imagine the disk C surface as a clock, the pivot mounted at about 7'o clock, and heads G pointing between 2 and 4 depending on their position. On the all mighty H RA82 with the 1/3hp motor to spin them, the head's movement covered onlyD a portion of the disk surface. On 3.5" drives, the heads rotate more? allowing heads read from almost all of the surface of the disk.   C If aerodynamics are very important, I'd say that heads would be the C leading edge and disk would rotate clockwise (by ahing the arm that S holds the head downwind, it would reduce turbulence). Byt this is just speculation.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 05:52:24 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: GnuPG in batch C Message-ID: <1106315544.332107.253390@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F that worked!  I am using 2.6.3 for VMS 7.1-2 ... no docs came with the? distribution except pgp -h ... where did you find this command?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:51:53 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: GnuPG in batch B Message-ID: <41f1251a$0$17620$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  H > that worked!  I am using 2.6.3 for VMS 7.1-2 ... no docs came with theA > distribution except pgp -h ... where did you find this command?  >  See the manpage link below...    GnuPG for OpenVMS - homepage/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/gnupg.html   % GnuPG - GNU Privacy Guard - GnuPG.org  http://www.gnupg.org/    GnuPG - Documentation Sources # http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/    *GnuPG - manpage* 2 http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manpage.en.html  $ PGP - Index of /pub/software/openvms3 http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/    PGP - MPJZ's hyper VMS SW-list- http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/vms/sw/pgp.htmlx   , PGP - Pretty Good Privacy for VMS - antinode' http://www.antinode.org/dec/sw/pgp.html   , PGP - Pretty Good Privacy for VMS - PGPI.ORG% http://www.pl.pgpi.org/platforms/vms/   ' PGP - Using PGP From TPU on VMS Systems ) http://www.dca.fee.unicamp.br/pgp/vms.txt   4 PGP from TPU - Phil Ottewell's Free Software for VMS4 http://www.yrl.co.uk/~phil/pds/pds.html#pgp_from_tpu  ! Imad's PGP Page - Wayback Machine < http://web.archive.org/web/20031006005601/ipgpp.veniece.com/    PGP Page for International Users% http://user1.7host.com/drno/pgp.shtml   7 PGP - Pretty Good Privacy - Strong Encryption Made Easy & http://peculiar.wcw.net/pgpintro.shtml     Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jan 2005 07:04:13 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>: Subject: Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-bddhuxu1cLg6@dave2_os2.home.ours>   D On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:02:24 UTC, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  wrote:R > Back in 1960 Ford motor company suffered under the incluence of a bean counter. R >   Their car sales suffered because of this.  Only when they went back to people N > who loved the automobile and wanted to build "good" cars did their fortunes P > reverse.  Then the asshole got into government, and was a significant part of $ > the total fiasco that was Vietnam.   DaveC             if you haven't already, if you get the opportuity, you  D might care to watch "Fog of War', in which said A/L explains the US F (and his) involvement in the Viietnam conflict (from advising thro' toD full scale war). Assuming all he said was the case, I did revise my C opinion of him. But then, as a Brit, I never had the risk of being   called up to serve there.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 09:45:52 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) : Subject: Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement! Message-ID: <A3RcWEQM2jEJ@sinead>   R In article <ddqdncnQqYMHQHLcRVn-3A@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > FredK wrote:I >> Yes.  The rx2600 and rx1600 have pedestal mounts that can be purchased E >> instead of rackmounting them.  They both have built-in 2D graphics A >> using a ATI Radeon 7000 chip (either as part of the management / >> option, or using a USB/Graphics combo card).  >>H >> VMS is finishing the process of also making the Radeon 7500 available7 >> on the 1-4 socket servers for 2D, 3D and multi-head.  >  > M > How about the 9000 or better Radeon's with the TV tuners? Then we could use  > VMS as a PVR.  :-)  H Or an ATI X300 PCI-express (I have on on a Win box, not bad at all ...) ; But without sound, not very useful to only see parasits :-)    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:55:39 -0500 * From: "Marc Holmes" <mholmes@ca.inter.net>$ Subject: Re: New to VMS.  Installing+ Message-ID: <35cu0qF4mucdjU1@uni-berlin.de>   
 Thank You.  > I was able to get further in the install.  I am installing 7.3> from the hobbyist CD.  My knowledge isn't great so I am moving@ along slowly.  I tried LINUX 7 or 8 yrs ago so this is something3 fun since vax equipment is still available cheaply.   8 I had a VMS account for work a few times in my career so I have a little background.C  	 Thank you  Marc Holmesi    ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message s& news:41F082FF.C86DE647@teksavvy.com... > Marc Holmes wrote:A >> I can mount/foreign the drive and backup to the drive, but theiK >> automatic installer dies if I try to let it install by itself and I cant ( >> find a ctrl c or anything to stop it. >eJ > Of you can run standalone backup to move the B saveset to the hard driveH > , you could do the same to copy (but not unpack) the other savesets toI > the disk drive and when the install procedure executes, you tell it the 7 > savesets reside on your hard drive instead of the CD.e >n > G > If you wish to investigate, you can B/1 DKA200 (or whatever your hardcD > drive comes up as) and in SYSBOOT, you can change the startup fileG > (SHOW/STARTUP, take note of the file which points to the installationsI > procedure) and then use SET/STARTUP=OPA0: or SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM andLJ > then SET STARTUP_P1 = "MIN" and CONTINUE. You can then access the $ signI > with a minimal version of VMS, and then try to diagnose the CD rom in aC@ > better way. (MC SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL is your friend here). > G > Once you're done, you get back into SYSGEN and reset the /STARTUP andiF > STARTUP_P1 parameters to original values and continue installation.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:30:29 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEMv0 Message-ID: <00A3E30B.2A10644E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <4s_Hd.8244$8u5.6001@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1> writes:- >Kannan wrote:I >> I am running a server application that is heavily threaded. It createswJ >> threads to execute some tasks and exits out of the thread when the taskJ >> completes. This happens on a periodic basis at a rate of probably aboutF >> 2 to 4 threads per minute. I find that the application fails in theJ >> pthread_create() call after about 15 to 20 hrs of running with a returnH >> value of ENOMEM(12). I checked my account quotas and they all seem toF >> be adequate even at the point of failure. Here's the process quotasB >> just after the process has failed in the pthread_create() call: >> --------------- >> Process Quotas: >> Account name: 28916H >> CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:     30000H >> Buffered I/O byte count quota:   8767744  Buffered I/O limit:   30000H >> Timer queue entry quota:             607  Open file quota:       2340H >> Paging file quota:               7670192  Subprocess quota:        95H >> Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:            19994H >> Enqueue quota:                      8178  Shared file limit:        0H >> Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0 >> --------------- >> eD >> The MAXTHREADS system parameter on the system is at 256, and I doG >> observe that the running threads in my process is nowehere near thatCH >> number. I instrumented some thread tracking info to keep track of howC >> many threads are created and deleted. At the point of failure, IwC >> observe that 1810 threads had been created, and 1806 threads hadhI >> completed, leaving only 4 threads running. This is also confirmed wheneD >> I do a 'show task/all' in my debugger session and all of the 1806$ >> threads show status 'terminated'. >> t" >> My thread stacksize is at 500K. >> eB >> Is it possible that this stacksize value might cause the ENOMEMG >> problem? As I understand it, this is a per-thread stacksize problem,eH >> and shouldn't be a problem with respect to mem availability a long as >> my PAGFILQUO is sufficient. >> a% >> Any pointers would be appreciated.S >> e >LF >ENOMEM is the generic response from the Pthreads API when it doesn't F >have enough memory to create *something*.  That something could be a F >thread, a mutex, a condition variable, a name, a thread specific key  >values, etc, etc. >tG >I suggest that you look at the Visual Threads package that ships free p >with OpenVMS 7.3 and above. > 0 >Look here for details: http://tinyurl.com/4lg97 >. >Jim.3 >--   >jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com    D I've not used this but I assume you have.  The URL you provided showE downloads for VMS, Tru-64 and HP-UX.  However, the graphic showing itgA in action is a PeeCee display.  Can this run standalong on VMS???h     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.i -- i, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:43:08 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>i3 Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM 2 Message-ID: <03cId.6381$ZK7.5938@news.cpqcorp.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > F > I've not used this but I assume you have.  The URL you provided showG > downloads for VMS, Tru-64 and HP-UX.  However, the graphic showing it C > in action is a PeeCee display.  Can this run standalong on VMS???l  ( I have not used that product yet either.  G The graphic displayed is an X-11 emulator window, so that implies that d2 it can display on any X-11 display, including VMS.   -Johnr! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Onlyy   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 12:10:34 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)3 Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM 3 Message-ID: <jYvLA6+0KWgE@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  U In article <00A3E30B.2A10644E@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes::g > In article <4s_Hd.8244$8u5.6001@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1> writes:n >>Kannan wrote:  [snip]& >>> Any pointers would be appreciated. >>>  >>G >>ENOMEM is the generic response from the Pthreads API when it doesn't nG >>have enough memory to create *something*.  That something could be a oG >>thread, a mutex, a condition variable, a name, a thread specific key i >>values, etc, etc.i >>H >>I suggest that you look at the Visual Threads package that ships free  >>with OpenVMS 7.3 and above.e >>1 >>Look here for details: http://tinyurl.com/4lg97> >> >>Jim. >>-- a! >>jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT como >  > F > I've not used this but I assume you have.  The URL you provided showG > downloads for VMS, Tru-64 and HP-UX.  However, the graphic showing itoC > in action is a PeeCee display.  Can this run standalong on VMS???t  ? Actually, it looks more like a Java GUI display.  Since the kit>@ says it includes the Java 1.1.8-3 JRE for the GUI, I'd say that > it is probably the case.  With the Java GUI programming stuff C that I have worked with you can easily make the display look PeeCeet like, Mac like, or Motif-y.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:34 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>h Subject: PWS 600au MemoryeA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050121113824.022aedd0@raptor.psccos.com>t  D Anybody have a good supplier for this?  I would prefer a non-DigitalF source, don't want to pay several hundred $$$ for $50 worth of memory.6 I'm looking for at least 256MB, 512MB would be better.   Thanks!c   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 03:27:51 -08005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka)n- Subject: RE; Using GLUT (OpenGL) on VMS 7.3.2-= Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0501210327.589bb93f@posting.google.com>l  	 Hi FredK,a  . What do I define GL logical to be to use glut?   $ cc glut/float=ieee   #include <GL/glut.h> .^P %CC-F-NOINCLFILEF, Cannot find file <GL/glut.h> specified in #include directive./ at line number 1 in file DQA0:[DUGALD]nurbs.c;1  $ show logical GLb+    "GL" = "SYS$LIBRARY" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) < 1  "SYS$LIBRARY" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  1 What do I do to my opt files to link to use GLUT?u  ( Add sys$share:DECW$OPENGLUTSHR.EXE/share  ( Where is all this defined in the manuls?   Thanks   Tanaka   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:29:33 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>1 Subject: Re: RE; Using GLUT (OpenGL) on VMS 7.3.2g2 Message-ID: <1_aId.6369$GG7.4870@news.cpqcorp.net>   /float=ieee>  - DECW$OPENGLUTSHR.EXE should be in sys$librarym   Other symbols:  7 $ define DECW$OPENGLUSHR sys$library:decw$openglshr_v11e  G $ define GL sys$common:[decw$include.gl_1_1], decw$include, sys$libraryn6 $ define DECW$OPENGLSHR sys$library:decw$openglshr_v11  
 or for Radeon   G $ define GL sys$common:[decw$include.gl_1_2], decw$include, sys$library 9 $ define DECW$OPENGLSHR sys$library:decw$openglshr_radeon   * for V8.2 and later, the radeon changes to:  9 $ define DECW$OPENGLSHR sys$library:decw$mesa3dshr_radeonp  H These logicals are normally set by default depending on the type of cardH you have.  The GL logical is not created by default, or documented (I'llL check the release notes) as we included GLUT as a courtesy so that you don't4 have to go get the freeware stuff and roll your own.      B "Hiroyuki Tanaka" <Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp> wrote in message7 news:68cfa44d.0501210327.589bb93f@posting.google.com...o > Hi FredK,n >l0 > What do I define GL logical to be to use glut? >t > $ cc glut/float=ieee >i > #include <GL/glut.h> > .^G > %CC-F-NOINCLFILEF, Cannot find file <GL/glut.h> specified in #includec
 directive.1 > at line number 1 in file DQA0:[DUGALD]nurbs.c;1  > $ show logical GLf- >    "GL" = "SYS$LIBRARY" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)t> > 1  "SYS$LIBRARY" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >a3 > What do I do to my opt files to link to use GLUT?a >t* > Add sys$share:DECW$OPENGLUTSHR.EXE/share >i* > Where is all this defined in the manuls? >r > Thanks >" > Tanaka   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:35:38 GMTI% From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> * Subject: Re: RMS (was: vms versus solaris)D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501210934050.6590@localhost.localdomain>  ' On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Bob Koehler wrote:h  ; >   RMS was inheritted from RSX-11, where RMS replaced FCS.-  = Off-topic, but I would say "... RMS was an alternate to FCS."a  , Even today, RSX ships with both FCS and RMS.     -- n  B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!e6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX)h2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:51:16 GMTy( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>: Subject: Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris)2 Message-ID: <oN7Id.6342$_x7.3682@news.cpqcorp.net>   Product No	Desc 1 BA422AA		HP OpenVMS I64 Source List LTU and Mediai  H It doesn't appear in the ordering system yet.  And it is not offered in  the DSPP program.i   Mark   John Reagan wrote: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > < >> From http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP4187/SP4187PF.PDF : >> >>     Source Listings Kitsi >>@ >>     QB-MT1AB-E8 OpenVMS Alpha Listings CD-ROM Kit and License> >>     QB-001AB-E8 OpenVMS VAX Listings CD-ROM Kit and License >>& >>     OpenVMS Source Listings Service >>8 >>     QT-MT1AB-Q8 OpenVMS Alpha Source Listings Service6 >>     QT-001AB-Q8 OpenVMS VAX Source Listings Service >>B >> QB- gets you the current version (7.3-2 for Alpha, 7.3 for VAX)1 >> and QT- gets you updates as they are released.2 >  > I > I'm guessing that soon you'd get V8.2 for Alpha and the addition of an tG > I64 kit.  And no, I don't know the part number for I64.  I'm just an s6 > engineer and don't see that level of product detail. >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 08:53:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris)3 Message-ID: <Uzl0fu8BIywG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <oN7Id.6342$_x7.3682@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:c > Product No	Desc|3 > BA422AA		HP OpenVMS I64 Source List LTU and Mediay  E Since the media suffix is -AA rather than -E8, does that mean it willi) be coming on something other than CDROM ?-  J > It doesn't appear in the ordering system yet.  And it is not offered in  > the DSPP program.v >  > Mark >  > John Reagan wrote: >> Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >> t= >>> From http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP4187/SP4187PF.PDF :" >>>< >>>     Source Listings Kits >>> A >>>     QB-MT1AB-E8 OpenVMS Alpha Listings CD-ROM Kit and License@? >>>     QB-001AB-E8 OpenVMS VAX Listings CD-ROM Kit and License> >>>e' >>>     OpenVMS Source Listings Service> >>>n9 >>>     QT-MT1AB-Q8 OpenVMS Alpha Source Listings Serviceu7 >>>     QT-001AB-Q8 OpenVMS VAX Source Listings Service  >>> C >>> QB- gets you the current version (7.3-2 for Alpha, 7.3 for VAX)s2 >>> and QT- gets you updates as they are released. >> k >> tJ >> I'm guessing that soon you'd get V8.2 for Alpha and the addition of an H >> I64 kit.  And no, I don't know the part number for I64.  I'm just an 7 >> engineer and don't see that level of product detail.r >> d >> h >  >  -- aN ==============================================================================I The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythingtJ      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willI      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings H      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival      of the online community."N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:56:56 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>: Subject: Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris)2 Message-ID: <cD9Id.6354$8C7.3285@news.cpqcorp.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:_ > In article <oN7Id.6342$_x7.3682@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:r >  >>Product No	Descs3 >>BA422AA		HP OpenVMS I64 Source List LTU and Media? >  > G > Since the media suffix is -AA rather than -E8, does that mean it willC+ > be coming on something other than CDROM ?t >   F No, it just means the HP part number scheme is totally different than   the Digital/Compaq 2-5-2 scheme.     -- d John Reagan,/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderw Hewlett-Packard Companye   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 10:39:34 -08002 From: denis.holvoet@numericable.fr (Denis Holvoet) Subject: SSH SCP on OpenVMSn< Message-ID: <299db9bd.0501211039.d4a5681@posting.google.com>  ( I have OpenVMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 ECO4.B I want to transfer files with a PC (Windows XP SP2 or Windows 2000 SP4) with SCP.E I use PuTTY on PC, it works but after the transfer the task on the PC 9 never stop, I don't have the prompt unless I type CTRL C.oC I have tried F-Secure, same problem only for copy from PC, not fromk VMS.E I have tried SSH Communications, OK but problem with overwrite if thev file exists.  C PuTTY and SSH Communications are certified in the releases notes of  ECO2 and ECO4. I have not tried ECO2.  3 Idea ? Where is the problem, I think on VMS but ...    Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 08:41:47 -0800 From: rjlolli@sbcglobal.netr) Subject: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusterslC Message-ID: <1106325707.225901.218380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>v  E I have been struggling for weeks on trying to mount a disk on one vmsdE cluster to another using TCPIP NFS.  Does anyone know how to set this G up?  Most of the posts I see explain how to do it between UNIX and VMS,uA but never VMS to VMS.  Someone suggessted once to use DECdfs, but$G unfortunately I cannot purchase this software at this time.  Thanks fort
 your help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:35:28 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>t- Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters , Message-ID: <41F14B70.9050207@tsoft-inc.com>   rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote:  G > I have been struggling for weeks on trying to mount a disk on one vmskG > cluster to another using TCPIP NFS.  Does anyone know how to set thisrI > up?  Most of the posts I see explain how to do it between UNIX and VMS, C > but never VMS to VMS.  Someone suggessted once to use DECdfs, butBI > unfortunately I cannot purchase this software at this time.  Thanks for' > your help. >  >   P You don't give much information on what you're ultimately trying to do.  Do you Q need the disk to appear to be mounted locally, or do you just need access to the c' disk?  If it's access, just use DECnet.    Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 10:43:42 -0800 From: rjlolli@sbcglobal.netl- Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters C Message-ID: <1106333022.649181.224840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>a  ; Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally./   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:12:54 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>% Subject: Re: Unix tool like VMS' DTM?yD Message-ID: <craigberry-5DE7AB.08125321012005@news.isp.giganews.com>  B In article <1106252270.046503.21160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,"  "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> wrote:  G > DTM (DEC Test Manager) is a tool that runs on VMS which allows you toTH > do regression testing of non-GUI software.  Does anyone know of such a > tool that runs on Unix?n > F > I support an application that runs "in batch" on Unix.  It takes oneF > input parameter on the command line when the application is invoked,D > and the output is a single text file.  I'd like to have a DTM-likeG > utility that will help me build, manage, and execute regression testsoF > so that I can be sure when I change the application it doesn't break, > anything that's passed the previous tests.& > Anyone know of such a tool?  Thanks!  + I think people use DejaGnu and Expect.  See   + http://www.gnu.org/software/dejagnu/manual/p   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 01:00:02 -0800" From: el7akika@yahoo.fr (el7akika)& Subject: using pipes for communication= Message-ID: <71545275.0501210100.412e1699@posting.google.com>a   hi  7 i want to communicate between simulator1 and simulator2y  4 I use pipes, but, um, it doesn't seem to work right.  @ The main idea is to have a process(main) simulator1 that creates/ another(child)simulator2 using CreateProcess().h  < i launch simulator 2 and establish a communication with him   E when it finishes simulation it me sending a message (I finished) thush@ I will send another message  to him says make another simulation  D reamrque:  I do not want to use the communcation with the dos window   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:29:48 +0100 ; From: "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf-spam-me-here@gmx.at>t* Subject: Re: using pipes for communication3 Message-ID: <eqK5YT7$EHA.3300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>i  ' "el7akika" <el7akika@yahoo.fr> schrieb:o9 > i want to communicate between simulator1 and simulator2a  I Are you sure your question is related to the VB.NET programming language?a  I If you want to setup communication between two applications, you can use dL sockets or remoting, for example, which are supported by the .NET Framework 	 directly.o   --    M S   Herfried K. Wagner $ M V P  <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>1  V B   <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/> l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:22:22 GMTr: From: "Sten Westerback" <sten.westerback@NO_SPAMnokia.com>* Subject: Re: using pipes for communication3 Message-ID: <im7Id.35542$g4.660670@news2.nokia.com>e  / "el7akika" <el7akika@yahoo.fr> wrote in messager7 news:71545275.0501210100.412e1699@posting.google.com...g > hi > 9 > i want to communicate between simulator1 and simulator2s >a6 > I use pipes, but, um, it doesn't seem to work right.> Are you sure you created both ends of the pipe(s) as describedE in the example in the reference? You can also look at my earlier post L http://groups.google.fi/groups?q=westerback+sten+CreateProcess&hl=fi&lr=&sel2 m=mbmUc.22893%24g4.431312%40news2.nokia.com&rnum=3  B > The main idea is to have a process(main) simulator1 that creates1 > another(child)simulator2 using CreateProcess().y > = > i launch simulator 2 and establish a communication with himi >cG > when it finishes simulation it me sending a message (I finished) thusoB > I will send another message  to him says make another simulation  / So you would WriteFile() and then ReadFile()...   F > reamrque:  I do not want to use the communcation with the dos windowE Well.. if you really have a DOS window then you must communicate withl' DOS. Or did you mean Console window? :)m   - Sten   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 08:51:05 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h* Subject: Re: using pipes for communication3 Message-ID: <PuGzqRtSuIDy@eisner.encompasserve.org>q  b In article <71545275.0501210100.412e1699@posting.google.com>, el7akika@yahoo.fr (el7akika) writes: > hi > 9 > i want to communicate between simulator1 and simulator2i > 6 > I use pipes, but, um, it doesn't seem to work right. > B > The main idea is to have a process(main) simulator1 that creates1 > another(child)simulator2 using CreateProcess().  > > > i launch simulator 2 and establish a communication with him  > G > when it finishes simulation it me sending a message (I finished) thus B > I will send another message  to him says make another simulation > F > reamrque:  I do not want to use the communcation with the dos window  > You have posted this to comp.os.vms which has no "dos window".   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:40:56 +0100t! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>o* Subject: Re: using pipes for communication: Message-ID: <41f121e1$0$3526$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:@ > You have posted this to comp.os.vms which has no "dos window".  I And doesn't have a .net environment either, although I think porting one rI wouldn't be that difficult (the only two problems would be 1. why bother n8 and 2. avoiding being hit with large anvils by VMS guys)   Ss   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 08:03:35 -0800) From: "bhanu" <goginenibhanu@hotmail.com>h* Subject: Re: using pipes for communicationC Message-ID: <1106323415.353817.196240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>-  D In Win32 Sockets, Mailslots, NamedPipes, Shared Memory(Memory mapped7 files) could be used for the IPC between two processes.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:09:21 -05001# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h8 Subject: Why growing the VMS installed base is important, Message-ID: <hqKdnSOqP_3YqmzcRVn-gw@igs.net>   As the song goes....0 "You would cry too if it happened to you."...VMS    3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1751651,00.aspY  J Never trust a vendors commitment to inter-operability beyond that vendor'sI self-interest. That appears to be the lesson behind IBM's decision not to.I test, certify and support its many software packages on Sun's forthcomingeL Solaris 10 operating system for the x86 platform. Sun execs think IBM shouldK do more, but IBM officials are quite coy, Senior Edito Peter Galli reports,T, claiming they aren't seeing customer demand.   .....r  J "They are telling us they don't anticipate sufficient customer support forF Solaris 10 on x86, and that is the reason," Singer said. "But the realK reason for this move is they just don't want the volume of Solaris businessaA on x86 to continue to grow. That is not in their interest."......    ...hmmmmm...VMS too?  J Yes I saw the recent post that IBM announced MQ v5.3 is available, and notL picking on IBM but making a general observation that the VMS versions of ISV2 products are often months behind in their release.  J Digital/Compaq/HP guts their own application/middleware portfolios only toK find that fewer and fewer of the ISV's (IBM, Sun included in this) continuecK to offer VMS as supported platform.  I found it somewhat disheartening that J the IA64/VMS ISV application portfolio announced during the webcast was soF small. But when HP doesn't advertise/market VMS...what can one expect.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:29:51 -0500u' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> + Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin directioni/ Message-ID: <fnc7c2-nil.ln1@dadsys2.fuller.com>   
 AEF wrote:  H > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethingD > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I > recall right?p > I > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if it  > spins IN to the heads.  J I can't speak for newer disk drives, but for older drives (with removeableK packs and all), the disks spin CCW, and the heads travel on a track that iseK perpendicular to the spindle.  So, there is no concept of spinning into thed& heads -- at least on the older drives. -- s           Stuo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:02:23 -0600a( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)+ Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction 1 Message-ID: <05012109022369@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   H > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethingD > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I > recall right?r > I > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if itc > spins IN to the heads. . > 	 > Thanks.v  O I have a PDF of disk performance for a Seagate 15K family - it illustrates thatcO the drive (looking at it from the top side as best I can tell) is spinning CCW.d  - Search the web looking for any combination of   1 disk drive performance latency actuator seek timen  5 and you should find some articles with illustrations.s       John "REBOOT" Brandonl VMS Systems Administratorc* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0600c( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)+ Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin directionc1 Message-ID: <05012111022537@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   H > Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethingD > about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I > recall right?  > I > Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if it  > spins IN to the heads. t > 	 > Thanks..  I If the drive spins CCW you can make it spin CW by placing it upside down.f     John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administratori* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:31:44 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r+ Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction-( Message-ID: <opskytq6nazgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0600, John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com>   wrote:  I >> Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethingrE >> about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do Iu >> recall right? >>J >> Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if it >> spins IN to the heads.  >>
 >> Thanks. > K > If the drive spins CCW you can make it spin CW by placing it upside down.D) Yes, but that will caue it to precess.:-)r >l >. > John "REBOOT" Brandono > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.042 ************************