0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 22 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 43      Contents:. Blast from the past: HP roadmap (workstations) CR11 driver  DEC Keyboard Question  Re: disk drive spin direction  RE: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: GnuPG in batch# Graphing software for VMS web pages ' Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages  Re: job anyware?7 RE: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS  Re: New to VMS.  Installing * Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS)* Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: PWS 600au Memory Q: Experience with HBMM ?  Re: Q: Experience with HBMM ?  Re: SMHANDLER documentation.1 Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris) $ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters$ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters$ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters$ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters! Re: using pipes for communication   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:23:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Blast from the past: HP roadmap (workstations) , Message-ID: <41F1B90C.723B4127@teksavvy.com>  E Had an old bookmark to an infamous day. Interesting to read though it B again, in light of the changes since then. It also spells out veryD clearly that HP only intends to cvater to the VMS installed base andG steer business to HP-UX, and there is still wording about VMS customers G adopting HP-UX. (but in a subtle way, not as obvious as the text in the  Stallard memo).   H If you forgot, May 7th 2002 is when the Carly Curly wedding was consumed3 and the signatures apposed on the merger contracts.   4 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/07may02b.htm   Note the paragraph below:    ##D Workstations. Decision: We will incorporate the strength of Compaq's= Windows NT workstations to form the industry's broadest, most F comprehensive  product line. HP will continue to drive 64-bit platformG leadership for the most demanding applications with today's PA-RISC and F upcoming workstations  based on the Intel Itanium Processor Family. HPE workstations will provide great value across the industry-leading 32- F and 64-bit operations system  environments: Windows, Linux and HP-UX.  ##  E Sort of explains why the VMS roadmaps don't make mention of X-windows P since HP didn't plan to copntinue to offerVMS  for systems used as workstations.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:51:43 -0800 & From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: CR11 driver< Message-ID: <dundas-2101051251430001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  I Does anyone have a copy of the CR11 driver source (CRDRIVER.MAR?) I could H view?  I would like to see how some error conditions are handled.  [I do7 have a fiche set, just no reader available at present.]    Thanks,    John   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 21:26:36 -0800 From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com Subject: DEC Keyboard QuestionC Message-ID: <1106371596.340763.227240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F I have a couple of questions about DEC/Compaq/HP keyboards.  The first4 question may make the second one moot but here goes:  G I have found discussions about various KVM switches and the DEC 108-key G keybords and most seem to indicate that they do not mix well except for G a few brands/models.  Does anyone know if the Avocent Outlook ES series  works or doesn't?   E Also, dispite much Googling and Yahooing I have not been able to find C the difference between the LK46W-XX and LK461-XX keyboards.  I know A they are both 108-key "OpenVMS" style, although I cannot find any G keyboard layouts.  I have also found in various SOC editions where both E are listed as suitable for AlphaServer class machines.  I just wonder D what the difference was and if it is significant or will either work fine with my OpenVMS boxes.    Thank you for your help.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 10:58:09 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin directionC Message-ID: <1106333889.468370.168270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    David Mathog wrote:  > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > F > > I have now found a much better description of the "flying magnetic head"  > > technology...  > >  > > E http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/op/heads/opHeight.html  > > G > > Modern drive heads float over the surface of the disk and do all of   E > > their work without ever physically touching the platters they are G > > magnetizing. The amount of space between the heads and the platters  isE > > called the floating height or flying height. It is also sometimes  calledE > > the head gap, and some hard disk manufacturers refer to the heads  as > > riding on an "air bearing".  > G > Special disk drives or pressured rooms are required at high altitudes  or6 > said "bearings" will fail resulting in a head crash. > D > Back to the original question at the start of this thread (clipped out D > somewhere along the line), I think the original poster was asking, for  > a drive like this: > = > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hard_disk_dismantled.jpg  > @ > if you imagine the arm to be a vector, with the arrow pointingC > towards the head, then is the disk spinning under the head moving " > into the vector or away from it?  A YES! Thank you for clarifying my question. I did try to be clear.   F > I don't know the answer to that.  However, that air bearing is going to& > exert two force vectors on the head. > @ > 1.  The one perpendicular to the disk. This is the air bearing effect. E > 2.  The one in the plane of the disk, normal to the track where the  headE >      is currently positioned, in the direction the disk is turning.  ThisF >      one is due to drag from the air layer attached to the suface of >      the disk. > 7 > Naively I'd expect it would be easier to maintain arm E > stability if that (unit) second vector was in the same direction as  the D > (unit) arm vector (dot product ~= 1).  On the other hand, it might well= > be easier to reduce the seek time if that vector was in the B > exact opposite direction (dot product ~= -1).  There's precedent? > for the latter type of design: some modern fighter planes are = > intrinsically unstable because it improves maneuverability, = > they are only flyable because of constant computer control.  > ; > If I had to bet it would be that the dot product is ~= 1.  > & > Now I'm curious too.  Is it 1 or -1? > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog  E Well, I got a broken IDE drive from our help desk. I plugged the SCSI B disk power supply from a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80 into the drive andE powered it up (I had my safety goggles on, of course ;-) At first the A platter just swung slighty back and forth. Then there was a brief G pause. Then it sped up CCW, with the direction of the head assembly. So D the dot product is very close to 1. I hope there is no difference inG the power supply for IDE and SCSI so that my test is valid. For now I'm + assuming it is valid. (Correction welcome!)   F If it were -1, I assume it would be easier to find that out on the WebC as it would be contrary to most people's expectations. (And perhaps G this is why some responders didn't correctly interpret my question!) So  I'm going with +1.  F I read some of the links provided by Keith and I find that disk drivesB are truly wonders of technology. Why can't tape drives be even one< tenth as good?! (And by "good" here I mean quality-wise, not capacity-wise.)   4 Thanks to the responders and my company's help desk.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 13:01:48 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org& Subject: RE: disk drive spin direction3 Message-ID: <gR9DexHcvrj3@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADB0D5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes: C > dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the 6 > platters?  if so, the direction must be important...   That doesn't follow.  J You can support the heads with an arm coming from spinward, anti-spinward,I axisward, anti-axisward or even from upward and, in every case, the heads  can still float on air.   F There are serious mechanical issues involved with supporting a head on? the top of a platter with an arm coming from below the platter.   C There may be stability issues that can be best addressed by putting F the arm to spinward, but there are no insurmountable mechanical issues forcing that choice.  D Note also that for sufficiently rigid arms, the axis of the arm needD not coincide with the axis of the force exerted by that arm.  (Idiot9 opinions from the stereo turntable world notwithstanding)    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jan 2005 20:48:10 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction: Message-ID: <csrpqa$nbv$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  , In message <35cj5vF4j6g5hU1@individual.net>,-    bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: = >Take an old disk.  Pullt he cover off.  Hook it up to power. < >See which way it turns.  That's what I do when I get really	 >curious.   M Or take a pull hot-swap drive out the cabinet and try flipping it on its back M while it is still spinning.  If a counter-clockwise torque makes the front go 2 down, then the disk is spinning counter-clockwise.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 20:01:12 -0500! From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction* Message-ID: <css8ko$1h$1@panix5.panix.com>  , In article <35cjb5F4j6g5hU2@individual.net>,) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: R >In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADB0D5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>,9 >	"Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes: D >> dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the7 >> platters?  if so, the direction must be important...  > C >Well, in a bacwards sort of way, just like the record player.  The A >direction doesn't make any difference but the heads are designed @ >based on the direction, after the fact.  The disk could spin in/ >either direction as long as the heads matched.  >  >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       B On a turntable, spinning the disk backwards will damage a standardD cartridge. Cartridges used by anyone that needs to start a cut at anE exact place will "back queue" the disk and use cartridges designed to  play backwords.    --      a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m   ! Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:43:06 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction= Message-ID: <o9WdnXke9K81MmzcRVn-2A@metrocastcablevision.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:D > In article <1106317466.761380.58690@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,) > 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:    ...   E >>In the case of a stereo turntable, if you spun the record backwards F >>(CCW), it wouldn't work too well! I would have thought that the sameD >>would be true for disk drives, but maybe there is some reason it'sG >>better to run them "backwards". And if so, I'd like to know, and why.  >  > ? > Only because the whole mechanism was designed to spin in that @ > direction.  It could have been designed to spin  the other way> > fromt he beginning.  Gues it depends on whether the originalD > designer was right or left handed.  :-)  I don't think it matteredD > which way they spin as long as the mechanism was designed based on > that direction.   8 The question is not whether the disk turns clockwise or F counter-clockwise (as viewed from whichever side you care to consider I 'standard'), but whether the disk turns such that whatever friction (air  F friction, at a minimum) 'pulls' the heads away from their pivot point I (just as is the case with a turntable 'pulling' the needle away from its  E pivot point) or 'pushes' the heads toward their pivot point.  In the  G case of the turntable it's fairly clear why this orientation is not as  I good a one:  there is a small but definite increase in the wear-and-tear  E inflicted on the record surface - at least if the needle is oriented  H perpendicular to it, which will produce the cleanest sound reproduction F - because turning 'into' the arm's slightly downward-sloping vertical G pivot makes the needle act more like a chisel than turning 'away' from  @ it.  Or, to look at it from another angle, the frictional force D effectively increases the effective 'weight' of the needle when the G platter turns 'toward' the arm's pivot point and effectively decreases  F it when it turns away whenever the vertical pivot point of the arm is G above the surface of the platter, due the the small resulting vertical  H component of force caused by the application of the horizontal friction ) component to the slight angle of the arm.   F Since my impression is that the heads actually rest on the surface of E the disk (outside the 'working' area) when the disk has spun down, I  F suspect that during start-up and slow-down having them 'trail behind' E their arm pivot point as viewed from the spinning disk surface (as a  I record needle does) would be desirable - which would likely also be true  I should the head ever come into contact with the working area of the disk  L while it was spinning.  But I don't *know* that disks are designed this way.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 11:09:26 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: GnuPG in batch C Message-ID: <1106334566.300719.288260@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G thnaks for the list ... I had to hit every link and dig to finally find 
 documentation E that describes batchmode ... and completely different docs to find -z  ... nothing  was together ...   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 18:00:12 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com, Subject: Graphing software for VMS web pagesB Message-ID: <1106359212.137289.45420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on webE pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really F see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphsF with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS? Thanks.  Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:27:16 GMT ; From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> 0 Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages< Message-ID: <oKjId.14009$5R.7585@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: H > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on webG > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really H > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphsH > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS?	 > Thanks.  > Bill >  yes    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:03:52 -0800 ! From: Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca>  Subject: Re: job anyware? & Message-ID: <41F1B488.30206@triumf.ca>  -    Spelling needs to be improved.  I consider $    this very important for managers.  (     .. fred bach  music at triumf dot ca   Ove Axelsson wrote:   4 > I have been system manager at Digital for 10 years5 > I have also been in charge of approx 80 VMS systems  > " > Please have a look at my webpage* > http://www.abc.se/~m8742/english/abc_eng > any suggestion appreciated.  > I am prepared to relocate. > 	 > Regards  > Ove    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:44:56 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> @ Subject: RE: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EB66@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20   > Sent: January 20, 2005 2:47 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B > Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS >=20 > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > >=20> > > The following additional links were provided in a Email=20 > distributed by
 > > Sue... > >=20 > > HP OpenVMS Data Sheet - PDF ; > > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9832EN.pdf  >=20 > etc. >=20G > As a suggestion, providing obscure links isn't that great. You should > > provide the simple path to click from www.hp.com. Obscure=20 > pages that are: > not easily seen from the home page doesn't do much to=20 > advertise a product. >=20   JF,   F Are you saying people prefer "go to home page, click, this, then click1 that, then click .." vs one click of a given url?   + Surely that is not what you meant to say ..    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:34:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS, Message-ID: <41F1837B.B6336289@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > Are you saying people prefer "go to home page, click, this, then click3 > that, then click .." vs one click of a given url?  > - > Surely that is not what you meant to say ..   $ That is exactly what I meant to say.  D If the VMS documents are hidden under layers and layers of menus and? pages that recommend Windows XP Professional, then they are not F ADVERTISING nor MARKLETING of VMS, they are just hidden resources thatE can be used by those who know they exist AND who dare buck the system  and push VMS solutions.   D This past week, the HP.COM home page should have been plastered withA "new and improved" signs for VMS pointing to all those documents.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 18:19:25 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1106360365.307741.133890@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:D > > Are you saying people prefer "go to home page, click, this, then click 5 > > that, then click .." vs one click of a given url?  > > / > > Surely that is not what you meant to say ..  > & > That is exactly what I meant to say. > F > If the VMS documents are hidden under layers and layers of menus andA > pages that recommend Windows XP Professional, then they are not C > ADVERTISING nor MARKLETING of VMS, they are just hidden resources  thatG > can be used by those who know they exist AND who dare buck the system  > and push VMS solutions.   C Well, let's see: (my apologies if the new Google groups botches the  careful formatting I did)    url or link        what it is  -----------        ---------- ? www.hp.com         no XP there, or any other OS for that matter   E Software Products  no XP here either! And VMS is just as prominent on  this3 page as any other OS. In fact, VMS is listed twice.   3 www.hp.com         home page, no XP or any other OS   G Join now           launch page. No mention of XP or any other OS except  to# Enterprise Web     evolve from Sun.  Event   F New Products       3 columns containing 4 sections. The second section is2 entitled More Choice: HP OpenVMS. NO OTHER OS GETSF THIS BILLING IN THIS "WEB EVENT". Click its only link, "HP OpenVMS 8.2G on Integrity servers" and you are in VMS-only space. The other OSes are F all lumped together in the fourth section whilst VMS proudly stands on its own in its own section!   F Hardly layers and layers AND NOT ONE MENTION OF HP RECOMMENDS XP. Yes,? it did say that somewhere before but it appears to be gone now.   F Now stop your whining and start helping by writing a polite, friendly,E constructive, to-the-point letter about how hp can make lots of money F by marketing VMS (and any other pro-VMS suggestions) and sending it toB appropriate people at hp. It seems like you are more interested in complaining than helping.   E Re Keith's 3 new links, which he got from Sue, the third one is under D the whitepapers link on the main VMS page, which is not buried under layers and layers...  E OK, I haven't found the other two yet (starting from www.hp.com). But G still, VMS isn't really that obscure on www.hp.com. And of all the OSes F it seems to me that it did get top billing (compared to other hp OSes) on the "Web event".   F > This past week, the HP.COM home page should have been plastered withC > "new and improved" signs for VMS pointing to all those documents.   @ Hmmm. That would have been nice. But I think nothing short of hpE plastering every square inch of the earth with VMS ads, combined with @ destroying all of their company except for VMS, will please you.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 22:03:35 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSB Message-ID: <1106373815.667109.50080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: [...] E > Well, let's see: (my apologies if the new Google groups botches the  > careful formatting I did)  >  > url or link        what it is  > -----------        ---------- A > www.hp.com         no XP there, or any other OS for that matter  > G > Software Products  no XP here either! And VMS is just as prominent on  > this5 > page as any other OS. In fact, VMS is listed twice.  > 5 > www.hp.com         home page, no XP or any other OS  > B > Join now           launch page. No mention of XP or any other OS except > to% > Enterprise Web     evolve from Sun.  > Event   F I missed one more link here. You need to click the "HTML version" linkG or the video version link to take you to the page with the New Products  link described below.    > @ > New Products       3 columns containing 4 sections. The second section  > is4 > entitled More Choice: HP OpenVMS. NO OTHER OS GETSD > THIS BILLING IN THIS "WEB EVENT". Click its only link, "HP OpenVMS 8.2 E > on Integrity servers" and you are in VMS-only space. The other OSes  are E > all lumped together in the fourth section whilst VMS proudly stands  on > its own in its own section!  > C > Hardly layers and layers AND NOT ONE MENTION OF HP RECOMMENDS XP.  Yes,A > it did say that somewhere before but it appears to be gone now.  >  [...]  sorry for the goof &-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:32:59 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: New to VMS.  Installing+ Message-ID: <41F1AD4B.8F2E7D27@comcast.net>    Marc Holmes wrote: >  > Thank You. > @ > I was able to get further in the install.  I am installing 7.3@ > from the hobbyist CD.  My knowledge isn't great so I am movingB > along slowly.  I tried LINUX 7 or 8 yrs ago so this is something5 > fun since vax equipment is still available cheaply.   G So, if I understand you correctly, you're trying to install OpenVMS-VAX / V7.3 onto some VAX machine using a Sony CD-ROM.   H Understand that VAX gear has been out of development for quite some timeB now. Most VAX SCSI support is narrow devices only, so most of whatF you'll be playing with is a bit old. Best to stay with the narrow SCSI/ Toshibas if you can't get something DEC badged.   D Small Alphas are also quite affordable (though not necessarily "dirtF cheap" unless you can find a bargain on eBay or the like). That givcesF you more leeway and better support of newer CD devices, not to mention DVD drive support.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 17:57:34 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com3 Subject: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) B Message-ID: <1106359053.975809.34190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F Hello all. I am trying to enable authentication for some web pages but amG having a problem htpasswd.exe. When I run it I get the following error:     8 $ htpasswd -c apache$specific/pass/passwords bmclaughlin
 New password:  Re-type new password: $ Adding password for user bmclaughlinG dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file    apache$specific/pass/passwords  B I don't believe this is a privilege issue because I've checked the	 directory G permissions and the behavior is exactly the same when I use bypass. The  file? gets created and is stream_lf format, but contains zero blocks.  Any suggestions?   Thanks in advance. Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:33:54 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>3 Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM E Message-ID: <mYiId.64142$w62.8656@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>     VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:g > In article <4s_Hd.8244$8u5.6001@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1> writes:  > 
 >[snipage] >>H >>I suggest that you look at the Visual Threads package that ships free  >>with OpenVMS 7.3 and above.  >>1 >>Look here for details: http://tinyurl.com/4lg97  >> >>Jim. >>--  ! >>jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com  >  >  > F > I've not used this but I assume you have.  The URL you provided showG > downloads for VMS, Tru-64 and HP-UX.  However, the graphic showing it C > in action is a PeeCee display.  Can this run standalong on VMS???  >  >   , It's a java display.  Runs on VMS just fine.   --   jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:22 -0500 , From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com> Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory 7 Message-ID: <890539d9050121111054ce71d6@mail.gmail.com>    Dan,  D You might try HP, sometimes their prices are surpringsly reasonable.  F Otherwise, Dataram has an excellent track record on Alpha memory IMHO.  F For AlphaServer 800's, I have been sent to a 3rd party for used memoryA from the HP website, but that is used memory, 3rd party, but with F lifetime warranty. Not cheap -- IIRC it is around $99 for a 256mb DIMM   WWW.SATECH.COM   Carl Friedberg Comet & Company  www.comets.com  J On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:34 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:F > Anybody have a good supplier for this?  I would prefer a non-DigitalH > source, don't want to pay several hundred $$$ for $50 worth of memory.8 > I'm looking for at least 256MB, 512MB would be better. > 	 > Thanks!  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:19:00 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050121131815.022ac958@raptor.psccos.com>   G Thanks.  I understand what I need is 168-pin ECC PC100 3.3V SDRAM.  But L I find references to "registered" and not.  What's the difference, and which
 should I use?   , At 12:10 PM 1/21/2005, Carl Friedberg wrote: >Dan,  > E >You might try HP, sometimes their prices are surpringsly reasonable.  > G >Otherwise, Dataram has an excellent track record on Alpha memory IMHO.  > G >For AlphaServer 800's, I have been sent to a 3rd party for used memory B >from the HP website, but that is used memory, 3rd party, but withG >lifetime warranty. Not cheap -- IIRC it is around $99 for a 256mb DIMM  >  >WWW.SATECH.COM  >  >Carl Friedberg  >Comet & Company >www.comets.com  > K >On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:34 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote: H > > Anybody have a good supplier for this?  I would prefer a non-DigitalJ > > source, don't want to pay several hundred $$$ for $50 worth of memory.: > > I'm looking for at least 256MB, 512MB would be better. > >  > > Thanks!  > >    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 13:35:49 -0800 From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory C Message-ID: <1106343349.138898.267650@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dan O'Reilly wrote: D > Thanks.  I understand what I need is 168-pin ECC PC100 3.3V SDRAM. But D > I find references to "registered" and not.  What's the difference,	 and which  > should I use?  >    Dan,B I can't say if there is a difference between the PWS 500au and theC 600au, but in my 500au I have 4 Infineon HYS72V32201GR-8-C2 sticks. G They are 256MB PC100 CL2 ECC Registered SDRAM.  I picked all four up on . E-bay for $28 each plus shipping ($112 total).  B Registered means that there is a buffer chip in between the memoryE chips and the memory bus.  Apparently it reduces the load on the bus.   B BTW, don't be tempted to fill all 6 slots with 256MB sticks.  FromC information gleaned from c.o.v. VMS will boot and run with 1.5GB of E memory, but the upper .5GB is prone to errors and crashes.  I'm happy F with my 1GB.  Now if I can just find a 2MB or 4MB cache card... (A guy> on Ebay had 2MB ones for $49.95 but I missed the auction :(  )   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory 0 Message-ID: <newscache$kisoai$iuz$1@news.sil.at>  i In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050121131815.022ac958@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: H >Thanks.  I understand what I need is 168-pin ECC PC100 3.3V SDRAM.  ButM >I find references to "registered" and not.  What's the difference, and which  >should I use?  F Mine are Registered (for my PWS433au) original COMPAQ (from Infineon).F I bought 2x128MB for 3.06 (+18.- Transport !) at EBAY from a reseller.F Higher density SIMMs cost more money per MB, but don't pay too much...   YMMV   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:36:46 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>" Subject: Q: Experience with HBMM ?+ Message-ID: <css76u$ofp$1@news01.intel.com>   = Does anyone have experience with HBMM (Host-Based Mini-Merge)  in a PRODUCTION environment?  < In particular, have you had a crash or other "incident" in a? production environment which led to HBMM's, and if so, how long 9 did each volume take to merge and was there any noticable : performance impact (other than the crashing system) to the systems doing the merges?   ? We have HBMM installed in one environment which has a large-ish = disk farm, but not a large I/O load.  I've tested HBMM in the C test environment by crashing one of the cluster nodes, and I expect 3 the production version to act essentially the same.   > However, we're about to upgrade another environment which _is_< I/O intensive and the application can be fairly sensitive to> system performance.  In a tightly controlled test environment,@ we saw next to no application impact from HBMM, but we know that< test environment is just a simulation and doesn't adequately7 reflect what we see in the real production environment.   = Therefore, I'd like to hear whether anyone else out there hasJ% real production experience with HBMM.n  ; Our clusters are VMS 7.3-1 plus VMS731_HBMM-V0100 (and mosti< current ECOs) running on ES40's with 4xEV68 833MHz CPUs, 8GB= of memory, and dual KGPSA's through Brodades to HSG80 storage  controllers.   	Thanks, Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Supporto" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 00:42:06 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)e& Subject: Re: Q: Experience with HBMM ?- Message-ID: <J$76l3gStpHI@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   . Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes:? > Does anyone have experience with HBMM (Host-Based Mini-Merge)M > in a PRODUCTION environment? > 9 > Our clusters are VMS 7.3-1 plus VMS731_HBMM-V0100 . . .E  F Before anyone asks -- HBMM is available on V7.3-1 only to a select fewO customers. It's not generally available.  If you are interested in HBMM, pleasewE upgrade to V7.3-2 and look for the latest V7.3-2 UPDATE kit.  HBMM is 9 integrated into the V8.2 releases for both Alpha and I64.s  C I'm also interested in any replies (good or bad) to Ken's question!-   -- -  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comF   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:24:14 GMTr5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)t% Subject: Re: SMHANDLER documentation.aL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2101052324170001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <V0ytx7GJmWY0@eisner.encompasserve.org>,n3 newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) wrote:t  N >The release notes for VMS7.3-2 (paragraph 4.19) give a very short explanationK >of SMHANDLER, Server Management Process, and that it starts automatically.) > D >Can someone point me to more complete documentation for SMHANDLER??  3 That release note is all that's available publicly.s  . Are you looking for some specific information?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:04:45 GMTw" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris)0 Message-ID: <00A3E34A.9FDD0F3D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <cD9Id.6354$8C7.3285@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:R >Larry Kilgallen wrote:a` >> In article <oN7Id.6342$_x7.3682@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes: >> e >>>Product No	Desc4 >>>BA422AA		HP OpenVMS I64 Source List LTU and Media >> n >> dH >> Since the media suffix is -AA rather than -E8, does that mean it will, >> be coming on something other than CDROM ? >> o >rG >No, it just means the HP part number scheme is totally different than  ! >the Digital/Compaq 2-5-2 scheme.0 >  >r >--  >John Reagan0 >HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader >Hewlett-Packard Company  I Will the HP OpenVMS I64 Source Listings be covered under existing Source  J Listings license requiring only a purchase of the subscription or will HP  bilk me outta more money?e -- c< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.2 -- -, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! e -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr   ------------------------------   Date: 21 JAN 2005 19:06:44 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>n- Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clustersn2 Message-ID: <21JAN05.19064424@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  3 In a previous article, rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote:   = > Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally.   8 But you haven't said what you've tried or how it failed.  E That said, I've never used the TCPIP stack, but I do use MultiNet forOB VMS<->VMS nfs activity.  Basically you set up the server as if itsD client is a Unix box, and then set up the client as if its server isD also a Unix box.  In particular, you need to get the VMS UIC to Unix( uid/gid translations right at both ends.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV-H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:30:16 -050034 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com>- Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters 8 Message-ID: <sol2v09q827k86armdh0pbl2qb8e48kej3@4ax.com>  ; On 21 Jan 2005 08:41:47 -0800, rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote:/  F >I have been struggling for weeks on trying to mount a disk on one vmsF >cluster to another using TCPIP NFS.  Does anyone know how to set thisH >up?  Most of the posts I see explain how to do it between UNIX and VMS,B >but never VMS to VMS.  Someone suggessted once to use DECdfs, butH >unfortunately I cannot purchase this software at this time.  Thanks for >your help.d       Something like this:   Server  -     1.  Enable NFS server (from TCPIP$CONFIG)g<     2.  Add a hosts entry for the client, see TCPIP SET HOST;     3.  Map drive to path, see TCPIP MAP and SET CONFIG MAP %     4.  Export path, see TCPIP EXPORT B     5.  Add NFS proxies for users using this access, see ADD PROXY   Client  -     1.  Enable NFS client (from TCPIP$CONFIG) (     2.  Add a hosts entry for the server3     3.  Add NFS proxies for users using this accessi.     4.  Mount the file system, see TCPIP MOUNT  : When you create your proxies, you will need a UID/GID pair< to map the proxy to.  You need to make sure the UID/GID pair= are the same on both the server and client.  The proxies willt, be the time consuming part of this exercise.   David Beatty   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jan 2005 14:08:15 -0800 From: rjlolli@sbcglobal.net - Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clustersbB Message-ID: <1106345295.080412.44050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E Thanks guys, I finally got it working.  The secret is when you createiE the proxy on the server and assign it the /uid and /gid.  You need tol@ make sure on the mount command on the client server you pass the* parameters /uid and /gid so they match up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:35:23 -0600h2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clustersc+ Message-ID: <41F1ADDB.812C4607@comcast.net>    rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote: > = > Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally.s  E Is the network such that you can have non-routable protocols, even ifvH they need to be bridged transparently? If so, consider MSCP-serving them rather than NFS.   -- d David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/h   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:37:05 GMTT$ From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>* Subject: Re: using pipes for communicationF Message-ID: <5CeId.62797$w62.51544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  / "el7akika" <el7akika@yahoo.fr> wrote in message'7 news:71545275.0501210100.412e1699@posting.google.com...  > hi >I9 > i want to communicate between simulator1 and simulator2i >o6 > I use pipes, but, um, it doesn't seem to work right. >   F Another programmer and I each wrote a program that forms a cooperativeI system.  The two programs communicate in both directions IIRC via a namednI pipe and the system works just fine.  But it's limited to Win2K and laterb systems.       Norm   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.043 ************************