0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 22 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 44      Contents: Re: Berkely DB Re: Berkely DB$ Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris)( Re: Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris)8 Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server)8 Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) Re: DEC Keyboard Question  Re: DEC Keyboard Question  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction  Re: disk drive spin direction 8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA' Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages ' Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages ' Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages 1 Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS  OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? ! Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? ! Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? ! Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? ! Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? . Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS). Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS)* RE: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM Re: PWS 600au Memory$ Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters! Re: using pipes for communication  Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris" Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:21:31 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: Berkely DB @ Message-ID: <41f28b9c$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   John E. Malmberg wrote:    > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  >>H >> Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my L >> knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including OpenVMS. >  > M > If you know of a working port of Berkely DB to OpenVMS, please post a link.    Sorry John,   G I don't have, or have access to, a port to OpenVMS. I was referring to  G the following posting by Keith Bostic, which I still had in dim memory.   D http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/b4991b7874b6beef  < I suppose Keith Bostic at Sleepycat would be the one to ask.   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg   H > A working port or simulation of it is one of the needed components to . > port the Red-Hat Package Manager to OpenVMS. > K > The closest that I can find is: http://www.sleepycat.com/ which seems to  J > be the supplier of the Berkely DB to the few LINUX distributions that I  > have checked.  > H > It appears that Sleepycat does not have a GNU style license either at K > the time I looked four years ago.  Some use may require paying a license   > fee. > H > At that time, the source download mentioned that someone attempted to J > make it run on OpenVMS 6.2, and because of that there are references to J > OpenVMS in the source code.  They also stated that they did not know if  > it did or did not work.  >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:33:42 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: Berkely DB @ Message-ID: <41f28e78$0$820$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote:   > John E. Malmberg wrote:  >  >> Keith Cayemberg wrote:  >> >>> I >>> Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my  E >>> knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including   >>> OpenVMS. >> >> >>I >> If you know of a working port of Berkely DB to OpenVMS, please post a   >> link. >  > 
 > Sorry John,  > I > I don't have, or have access to, a port to OpenVMS. I was referring to  I > the following posting by Keith Bostic, which I still had in dim memory.  > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/b4991b7874b6beef > > > I suppose Keith Bostic at Sleepycat would be the one to ask. > 	 > Cheers!  >  > Keith Cayemberg   E Oh! I forgot to mention, there is also a JAVA port of the Berkely DB   which should run on OpenVMS.  * http://www.sleepycat.com/products/je.shtml  % However Keith Bostic mentions here... D http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/8abefec26670fbbd  @ "While the Berkeley DB Java Edition is pure Java and largely API? compatible with the original Berkeley DB, it is not database or : log file format compatible with the original Berkeley DB."   More Cheers!   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:39:48 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> - Subject: Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris) 1 Message-ID: <KOqdnXMkxpRb7m_cRVn-tg@adelphia.com>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: > G > Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my  C > knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including  
 > OpenVMS.  K If you know of a working port of Berkely DB to OpenVMS, please post a link.   F A working port or simulation of it is one of the needed components to , port the Red-Hat Package Manager to OpenVMS.  I The closest that I can find is: http://www.sleepycat.com/ which seems to  H be the supplier of the Berkely DB to the few LINUX distributions that I 
 have checked.   F It appears that Sleepycat does not have a GNU style license either at I the time I looked four years ago.  Some use may require paying a license   fee.  F At that time, the source download mentioned that someone attempted to H make it run on OpenVMS 6.2, and because of that there are references to H OpenVMS in the source code.  They also stated that they did not know if  it did or did not work.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 07:53:40 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 1 Subject: Re: Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris) C Message-ID: <1106409220.857392.318330@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    John E. Malmberg wrote:   G > It appears that Sleepycat does not have a GNU style license either at   B > the time I looked four years ago.  Some use may require paying a license  > fee. >  >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only   A Here is a snippet of the current (1990-2004) Sleepycat Berkely DB ? license.  I'll leave it to the online lawyers to decide if it's  GNU-like or not.  F The following is the license that applies to this copy of the Berkeley DB or B Berkeley DB XML software.  For a license to use the Berkeley DB or BerkeleyG DB XML software under conditions other than those described here, or to E purchase support for this software, please contact Sleepycat Software  at one of the following addresses:   . Sleepycat Software          info@sleepycat.com- 118 Tower Road              +1 (978) 897-6487 ? Lincoln, MA 01773           877-SLEEPYCAT (toll-free, USA only)  USA   D If you were looking for the license that applies to Berkeley DB Java Edition, click here   1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  /* * Copyright (c) 1990-2004 0 *      Sleepycat Software.  All rights reserved. * D * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or withoutD * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
 * are met:C * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright B *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.F * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyrightD *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the ; *    documentation and/or other materials provided with the 
 distribution. F * 3. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information onC *    how to obtain complete source code for the DB software and any F *    accompanying software that uses the DB software.  The source codeD *    must either be included in the distribution or be available for noD *    more than the cost of distribution plus a nominal fee, and must be@ *    freely redistributable under reasonable conditions.  For anD *    executable file, complete source code means the source code for all F *    modules it contains.  It does not include source code for modules or? *    files that typically accompany the major components of the 	 operating /  *    system on which the executable file runs.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 08:37:05 -0800 From: mark_doherty@yahoo.co.ukA Subject: Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) C Message-ID: <1106411825.099439.172680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    > > We do not have LAT running. 8 > > SHOW NETWORK shows the node 202.1 is on the network, > : > That's not a valid DECnet address. DECnet addresses are: Sorry, 1.202 > & > > To configure the other system do I > > install Kermit 95 on the pc   @ It appears that Kermit 95 does not support DECnet or LAT withoutE Pathworks 32 (7+) (and pathworks needs open vms), so I suppose that I & will have to use a TCP/IP stack (CMU).& Are there performance issues with CMU?   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:42:35 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> A Subject: Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) ' Message-ID: <41F2827B.8020001@MMaz.com>    mark_doherty@yahoo.co.uk wrote:    >>>We do not have LAT running.7 >>>SHOW NETWORK shows the node 202.1 is on the network, 	 >>>        >>> : >>That's not a valid DECnet address. DECnet addresses are: >>     >>
 >Sorry, 1.202  >    > % >>>To configure the other system do I  >>>install Kermit 95 on the pc	 >>>        >>>  > A >It appears that Kermit 95 does not support DECnet or LAT without F >Pathworks 32 (7+) (and pathworks needs open vms), so I suppose that I' >will have to use a TCP/IP stack (CMU). ' >Are there performance issues with CMU?  >    > G Yes, but it is free and will most likely be your best bet for that old  	 of an OS.    Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:20:15 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> " Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question1 Message-ID: <lYSdnaHDudHf4G_cRVn-qg@adelphia.com>   > [Followups set to comp.os.vms since this is about OpenVMS use]   johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: H > I have a couple of questions about DEC/Compaq/HP keyboards.  The first6 > question may make the second one moot but here goes: > I > I have found discussions about various KVM switches and the DEC 108-key I > keybords and most seem to indicate that they do not mix well except for I > a few brands/models.  Does anyone know if the Avocent Outlook ES series  > works or doesn't?   B Do not know.  From what I have been able to determine much of the F trouble has been from using them with multiple operating systems that G may put the keyboard in different scan modes, and some KVM switches do  E not remember which scan mode that each host was using to put it back.   I The other issue that affects KVM suitability is if the KVM uses keyboard  G keys to switch sessions.  The Belkin model that I have only because it  I was really cheap on sale, and also switched the audio, uses the key that  ' is known as "Scroll Lock" on an X86 PC.   H It requires that you press it twice in a time period and then hit up or G down arrow.  Experiments have shown that it passes those some of those  G key strokes through to the host operating system.  On the LK4xx series  F keyboard, the key that generates the "Scroll Lock" code is F19, which ' has meaning to the Mozilla application.   E Holding down the Alt key while entering the required string seems to  H send a keystroke sequence that toggles DECWindows-Motif handling of the F mouse mode, and after switching back to the OpenVMS system, I seem to ? have to usually key in an additional ALT-F19 to toggle it back.   I I have only had this KVM a little while and this is only a hobby system,  = so I do not know if other problems could occur from it's use.   F If this is a production system, I would suggest contacting HP support.  G > Also, dispite much Googling and Yahooing I have not been able to find E > the difference between the LK46W-XX and LK461-XX keyboards.  I know C > they are both 108-key "OpenVMS" style, although I cannot find any I > keyboard layouts.  I have also found in various SOC editions where both G > are listed as suitable for AlphaServer class machines.  I just wonder F > what the difference was and if it is significant or will either work > fine with my OpenVMS boxes.   G The two keyboards have a similar layout. I not sure that there are any  F functional differences.  I am typing on an LK461 right now.  I am not 0 aware of what the different model number's mean.  H There also appears to be a LK451 model which has in addition to the VMS F layout, key caps that indicate which keys generate the typical x86 PC G codes.  It also has two more LEDs for Scroll Lock and something else I   can not remember.   D I have been able to use standard x86 PC keyboards with Alphas to do F elementary things.  They work well enough to get OpenVMS installed or I upgraded and get the hobby license keys installed.  After that, I mainly  & accessed that system from the network.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 09:00:51 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> " Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard QuestionC Message-ID: <1106413251.881340.282320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ? Thanks John.  Maybe this will work then.  The Avovent KVM has a C "version" page and when I check it while it is connected to a Win2k E machine it says the keyboard mode is "2" with a 101/104 key keyboard, F while when it is connected to the VMS system it is mode "3".  This KVMC uses the "Print Screen" key to switch systems.  Currently I have no D problem switching back and forth between the two using a standard PCF keyboard, but I really want something more compatible with TPU/EDT/etc5 so I've been looking at the LK46X series.  I also use D telnet/PuTTY/XWindows to access the VMS systems mostly once they areF set up on the network. I'm hoping the terminal emulator will also work: with the LK46X keyboards. Looks like experimentation time. John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:06 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction8 Message-ID: <12i4v0hgtjbtp0nfm8f755r5s5ukdvl5ko@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:43:06 -0500, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  G >Since my impression is that the heads actually rest on the surface of  F >the disk (outside the 'working' area) when the disk has spun down, I G >suspect that during start-up and slow-down having them 'trail behind'  F >their arm pivot point as viewed from the spinning disk surface (as a J >record needle does) would be desirable - which would likely also be true J >should the head ever come into contact with the working area of the disk M >while it was spinning.  But I don't *know* that disks are designed this way.   J An extremely compelling argument.  Heads can and do sometimes stick on theJ parking area, and not necessarily in a fatal fashion.  To have this rotate/ towards the pivot would seem counter-intuitive.   F As far as the "flying" head is concerned, the direction of rotation isI irrelevant to the detection and manipulation of the magnetic domains, but K areodynamically it needs to encourage a stable air-flow underneath, and may D be shaped to suit.  If so, it might not take kindly to a reversal of rotation direction.   I Assuming rotation is away from the pivot, most pictures I have seen would L indicate that disks rotate counter-clockwise when viewed with the cover off.   --  % When Mozart was my age, he was dead.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:36:43 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction= Message-ID: <Sb6dnQmf0o-b7m_cRVn-vA@metrocastcablevision.com>    John Laird wrote:    ...   *    Heads can and do sometimes stick on the7 > parking area, and not necessarily in a fatal fashion.   I Excellent point, given that the extremely light-weight arms required for  E good seek performance are likely to be considerably more tolerant of   tension than of compression.  @ Your sig reminds me of Tom Lehrer, who I'm glad to say is still B irreverently among us but not, unfortunately, still producing his B inimitable music (I think it's been re-released recently, though).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:47:02 -0500! From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) & Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction+ Message-ID: <cstshm$nku$1@panix5.panix.com>   = In article <Sb6dnQmf0o-b7m_cRVn-vA@metrocastcablevision.com>, * Bill Todd  <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: >John Laird wrote: >  >... > + >   Heads can and do sometimes stick on the 8 >> parking area, and not necessarily in a fatal fashion. > J >Excellent point, given that the extremely light-weight arms required for F >good seek performance are likely to be considerably more tolerant of  >tension than of compression.  > A >Your sig reminds me of Tom Lehrer, who I'm glad to say is still  C >irreverently among us but not, unfortunately, still producing his  C >inimitable music (I think it's been re-released recently, though).  >  >- bill      OT: A 4 CD set, excellent.      . What height do disk heads fly at these days ?   C 20 years ago there was a diagram that was widely copied that showed F the flying height of the disk head compared to a smoke particle, dust,F and the diameter of a human hair, in increasing steps that were nearly; an order or magnutude, each. Smoke was too big for the gap.   B It hasn't been mentioned that while in operation the heads requireC substantial downward pressure to keep the heads flying at the right  height.    --      a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m   ! Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:23:27 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA @ Message-ID: <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   patrick jankowiak wrote:  : > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%5 > Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.  > 7 > Normally would not post for sale but this is special.  > 1 > http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html  >   > Serious inquiries only please./ > Replies to this message will not be received.  > Contact info is at the URL.  >  > BR,  > OPCOM     ? Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many ? rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to @ find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.    " History of computing organizations  http://vmoc.museophile.org/#orgs  1 Computer History Association of California (CHAC)  http://www.chac.org/chac/    Computer History Museum  http://www.computerhistory.org/    Computer Museum of America http://www.computer-museum.org/    American Computer Museum http://www.compustory.com/  8 University of Virginia Computer Science: Computer Museum/ http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html   ' University of Amsterdam Computer Museum + http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/   & Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute http://www.blinkenlights.com/    VintageTech  http://www.vintagetech.com/   
 ClassicCmp http://www.classiccmp.org/   Deutsches Museum, Mnchen # http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm     HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum http://www.hnf.de/   MoS | Museum of Science, Boston  http://www.tcm.org/   ' The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc.  http://www.osfn.org/rcs/   Science Museum - London   http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/   The Jefferson Computer Museum  http://www.threedee.com/jcm/     Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:53:01 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA , Message-ID: <35fbnuF4la9a6U1@individual.net>  - On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:   A > Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many A > rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to B > find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them. >  > [...]  >  > Deutsches Museum, Mnchen % > http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >  > [...]   F Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course  running their own web server ...    <http://www.deutsches-museum.de>   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jan 2005 16:10:04 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA , Message-ID: <35fc6sF4cmbafU1@individual.net>  @ In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,3 	Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes:  >  > ! > MoS | Museum of Science, Boston  > http://www.tcm.org/  >   ? Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff ; including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis = Ritchie?  I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related  on thier website.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:46 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA B Message-ID: <41f283b3$0$17619$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Michael Unger wrote:/ > On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:  >  > A >>Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many A >>rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to B >>find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them. >> >>[...]  >> >>Deutsches Museum, Mnchen % >>http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm  >  >          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >  >>[...]  >  > H > Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course" > running their own web server ... > " > <http://www.deutsches-museum.de> > 	 > Michael  >    OOPS!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:52:20 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA @ Message-ID: <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  B > In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,5 > 	Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes:  >  >>! >>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston  >>http://www.tcm.org/  >> >  > A > Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff = > including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis ? > Ritchie?  I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related  > on thier website.  >  > bill > D Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The @ Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are  discussed in a forum.    Thanks Bill.   Cheer!   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jan 2005 17:09:31 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA , Message-ID: <35ffmbF4kopf0U1@individual.net>  @ In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,3 	Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > C >> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, 6 >> 	Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes: >>   >>> " >>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston >>>http://www.tcm.org/ >>>  >>   >>  B >> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff> >> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis@ >> Ritchie?  I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related >> on thier website. >>   >> bill  >>  F > Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The B > Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are  > discussed in a forum.  >  > Thanks Bill. >   ? I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University = for a long time.  I figured if I could get commitments from a > few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince< the University to give me the necessary space.  But I really; don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers.  :-( < My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can; come in and actually play with the equipment.  I would also < make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with7 guest accounts.  But, I'm probably just dreaming again.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:02:53 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)0 Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages; Message-ID: <41f1ec8d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: H > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on webG > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really H > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphsH > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS?  A I've done it (for T4 performace data) in Perl using the GD.pm and F GD::Graph modules. There certainly is some module for bar graphs, too.   cu,    Martin --  C                              | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 6   Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI   the Borg have proper       |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ =   networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:01:03 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>0 Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages- Message-ID: <41f2015a@duster.adelaide.on.net>    mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: H > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on webG > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really H > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphsH > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS?	 > Thanks.  > Bill  2 I've not used it myself but probably worth a look:  4 http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/#gdchart   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:42:13 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= 0 Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages7 Message-ID: <41f26590$0$25786$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>    mcbill20@yahoo.com a crit :H > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on webG > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really H > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphsH > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS?	 > Thanks.  > Bill > B You can do this using the GDChart library which was ported to VMS.- Python for VMS has a build in module gdchart. : You can find demonstration on http://vmspython.dyndns.org/  
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:45:36 -0000 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>: Subject: Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement6 Message-ID: <41f29142$0$13390$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>  5 "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in message , news:M8xHd.6130$226.1652@news.cpqcorp.net... > F > The volume is better, even if it isn't the size of the x86 business. HP-UX J > is a bigger business than Tru64 was.  The UNIX world is shrinking to theL > point of only having 2-3 serious vendors HP, IBM and SUN.  Of those three,I > SUN is the one who has not been able to at least squeek out break even. D > POWER and Itanium will be the only 2 surviving RISC architectures. >     % I thought Itanium was EPIC not RISC ?    Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:58:28 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSB Message-ID: <41f24df5$0$17604$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > H >>The following additional links were provided in a Email distributed by >>Sue... >> >>HP OpenVMS Data Sheet - PDF 9 >>http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9832EN.pdf  >  >  > etc. > G > As a suggestion, providing obscure links isn't that great. You should J > provide the simple path to click from www.hp.com. Obscure pages that areL > not easily seen from the home page doesn't do much to advertise a product.  I Since I don't work for HP or manage their web pages, I don't necessarily  F know where, or if, HP has placed these links in web pages. I do think I it's better to inform people of these links than keeping them for myself.   G However, I have accidentally found a page holding the same document as  H the most mysterious link. Naturally, I  can make no guarantee that it's , the only web page referencing this document.  + OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers - resources : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/resources.html   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:27:20 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <_IydnUjTPM9I7W_cRVn-oA@metrocastcablevision.com>   
 AEF wrote:   ...   H > Now stop your whining and start helping by writing a polite, friendly,G > constructive, to-the-point letter about how hp can make lots of money H > by marketing VMS (and any other pro-VMS suggestions) and sending it to > appropriate people at hp.   F I guess you must be a newbie - in which case perhaps you should get a G bit better acquainted with the history of this matter before presuming  
 to criticize.   F JF was part of a group which spent more than 6 months doing precisely H this about 5 years ago.  The letter including detailed explanations and F concrete proposals went to the then-CEO of Compaq, who was already in E discussions with Carly even back then and over the ensuing years had  I plenty of time to bring her up to speed on the subject before leaving to  H pursue other interests well after the HP acquisition had completed.  It I resulted in a personal meeting with Rich Marcello and his senior staff -  I and Rich is still at HP, and in charge of a good deal more than just VMS   these days.   C When one avenue of approach has been thoroughly explored and found  H ineffective, it's kind of stupid not to turn to others, at least if you F care about the matter in question.  Compaq and then HP have more than H adequately proved themselves impervious to carrots, and those of us who H do in fact care will therefore likely continue to beat them with sticks H until they either shape up or die - so you might as well get used to it.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:40:50 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> & Subject: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501220041100.15550@jaipur.local>  J Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docs will J be posted to the web page?  We haven't received our doc updates yet and I F would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals at  least.   Thanks.    -Ryan4   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:52:10 +0100u0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page?B Message-ID: <41f2224b$0$17617$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Ryan Moore wrote:a  G > Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docs eK > will be posted to the web page?  We haven't received our doc updates yet  K > and I would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals D > at least.  > 	 > Thanks.p >  > -Ryanr  6 At least the field test docs are still available at.../ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82ft_index.htmlo  . OpenVMS 8.2 new features and benefits web site< http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v82features.html  B HP OpenVMS v8.2 new features and infrastructure enhancements - PDFD http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms82_features.pdf   HP OpenVMS v8.2 SPD - PDFe2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/XAV12X/XAV12XPF.PDF  A I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs.    Cheers'!   Keith Cayembergn   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:27:10 +0000 (UTC)o3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page?/ Message-ID: <cstnrt$ign$1@titan.btinternet.com>)   Hi >rC > I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs.F  2 Any ideas how long? I mean, is it released or not?  J I personally refuse to believe that *all* the New Features manual containsK (apart from "Yes it runs on Itanium") is a whole lot more C crap so you can-C more effectively delude yourself that you're really running on your0A favourite UNIX and don't have to sully yourself with VMS specific: functionality and qwerkiness.8  H Is a bigger Lock Value Block really all VMS license payers get for theirA troubles? How many more years will we continue to have to pay theeI OPENvms/POSIX/TRU64/VMSisUNIX MOB-Tax? Let VMS thrive on its own revenue!y	 Please!!!i   Regards Richard Mahern  = "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in messagee< news:41f2224b$0$17617$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net... > Ryan Moore wrote:r >oH > > Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docsL > > will be posted to the web page?  We haven't received our doc updates yetL > > and I would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals
 > > at least.h > >  > > Thanks.e > > 	 > > -Ryank > 8 > At least the field test docs are still available at...1 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82ft_index.html  > 0 > OpenVMS 8.2 new features and benefits web site> > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v82features.html >tD > HP OpenVMS v8.2 new features and infrastructure enhancements - PDFF > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms82_features.pdf >l > HP OpenVMS v8.2 SPD - PDFs4 > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/XAV12X/XAV12XPF.PDF >iC > I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs.i >u
 > Cheers'! >2 > Keith Cayemberga   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 09:05:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page?3 Message-ID: <DRdUmX$4nTQR@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  e In article <cstnrt$ign$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:> > Hi >>D >> I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs. > 4 > Any ideas how long? I mean, is it released or not?  ? Nobody has claimed it is shipping.  It was announced this week.e  J > Is a bigger Lock Value Block really all VMS license payers get for theirC > troubles? How many more years will we continue to have to pay the K > OPENvms/POSIX/TRU64/VMSisUNIX MOB-Tax? Let VMS thrive on its own revenue!   4 Certainly the big feature is "also runs on Itanium".   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:43:58 -0600o, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page?0 Message-ID: <_-2dnarRG-tDDW_cRVn-qg@comcast.com>  M I asked the doc group about v8.2 yesterday from their web page.  Waiting for e a reply.  ; "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message J- news:DRdUmX$4nTQR@eisner.encompasserve.org...oB > In article <cstnrt$ign$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" ' > <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:o >> Hia >>>lE >>> I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs.J >>5 >> Any ideas how long? I mean, is it released or not?h >rA > Nobody has claimed it is shipping.  It was announced this week.b >wK >> Is a bigger Lock Value Block really all VMS license payers get for their-D >> troubles? How many more years will we continue to have to pay theL >> OPENvms/POSIX/TRU64/VMSisUNIX MOB-Tax? Let VMS thrive on its own revenue! >s7 > Certainly the big feature is "also runs on Itanium". m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:10:01 +0100m2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)7 Subject: Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS)M; Message-ID: <41f1ee39.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:kH > Hello all. I am trying to enable authentication for some web pages butL > am having a problem htpasswd.exe. When I run it I get the following error: > : > $ htpasswd -c apache$specific/pass/passwords bmclaughlin > New password:w > Re-type new password: & > Adding password for user bmclaughlinI > dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update filer  > apache$specific/pass/passwords > D > I don't believe this is a privilege issue because I've checked theG > directory permissions and the behavior is exactly the same when I use E > bypass. The file gets created and is stream_lf format, but contains  > zero blocks. > Any suggestions?  C The standard unixised VMS file spec is rooted (with a device as the 5 first "path" element) only if it starts with a slash.7  I So, apache$specific/pass/passwords looks for a directory apache$specific,uE while /apache$specific/pass/passwords looks at the device (or logical2 name) apache$specific.   HTH,   Martin --  @                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.delF  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 00:31:21 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com7 Subject: Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) C Message-ID: <1106382681.297436.290910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   C The path is not the problem. The behavior is exactly the same usingeF normal VMS notation as well as many variations of the Unix-style path. For example:    9 $ htpasswd -c apache$specific:[pass]passwords bmclaughlinS
 New password:r Re-type new password:o$ Adding password for user bmclaughlinG dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file8 apache$specific:[pass]passwords7   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:oF > > Hello all. I am trying to enable authentication for some web pages but G > > am having a problem htpasswd.exe. When I run it I get the following  error: > > < > > $ htpasswd -c apache$specific/pass/passwords bmclaughlin > > New password:o > > Re-type new password: ( > > Adding password for user bmclaughlinF > > dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file" > > apache$specific/pass/passwords > > F > > I don't believe this is a privilege issue because I've checked theE > > directory permissions and the behavior is exactly the same when I  usetG > > bypass. The file gets created and is stream_lf format, but containsd > > zero blocks. > > Any suggestions? >dE > The standard unixised VMS file spec is rooted (with a device as thec7 > first "path" element) only if it starts with a slash.o >e: > So, apache$specific/pass/passwords looks for a directory apache$specific,G > while /apache$specific/pass/passwords looks at the device (or logicalu > name) apache$specific. >  > HTH,
 >   Martin > --B >                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!5 >  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deu >  Redmondem delendam esse. |e( http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/< >                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:11:47 -0500r' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>b3 Subject: RE: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEMaR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EB82@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Kannan [mailto:kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com]=20  > Sent: January 19, 2005 5:55 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > Subject: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEMr >=20H > I am running a server application that is heavily threaded. It creates> > threads to execute some tasks and exits out of the thread=20 > when the task = > completes. This happens on a periodic basis at a rate of=20t > probably aboutE > 2 to 4 threads per minute. I find that the application fails in thee> > pthread_create() call after about 15 to 20 hrs of running=20 > with a return-G > value of ENOMEM(12). I checked my account quotas and they all seem toBE > be adequate even at the point of failure. Here's the process quotas5A > just after the process has failed in the pthread_create() call:z > ---------------r > Process Quotas:e > Account name: 28916 G > CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:     30000>G > Buffered I/O byte count quota:   8767744  Buffered I/O limit:   30000:G > Timer queue entry quota:             607  Open file quota:       2340dG > Paging file quota:               7670192  Subprocess quota:        95hG > Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:            19994(G > Enqueue quota:                      8178  Shared file limit:        0CG > Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0e > ---------------n >=20C > The MAXTHREADS system parameter on the system is at 256, and I do F > observe that the running threads in my process is nowehere near thatG > number. I instrumented some thread tracking info to keep track of howtB > many threads are created and deleted. At the point of failure, IB > observe that 1810 threads had been created, and 1806 threads hadH > completed, leaving only 4 threads running. This is also confirmed whenC > I do a 'show task/all' in my debugger session and all of the 1806s# > threads show status 'terminated'.n >=20! > My thread stacksize is at 500K.o >=20A > Is it possible that this stacksize value might cause the ENOMEMoF > problem? As I understand it, this is a per-thread stacksize problem,G > and shouldn't be a problem with respect to mem availability a long asa > my PAGFILQUO is sufficient.o >=20$ > Any pointers would be appreciated. >=20 >=20   Kannan,n  & What version of OpenVMS are you using?  ; Do you have the latest OS patches applied for that version?l  H Reason for asking is that there were some patches for threads in some of$ the recent V7.x releases of OpenVMS.  E With respect to monitoring process quota's (which I assume might also D assist with threads), another option that you can use is the OpenVMSE Availability Manager. It is a free download from a HP site that amonghF other monitoring capabilities, allows you to monitor *and fix* processE resource quotas running on OpenVMS. Can be run from either OpenVMS ort Windows servers.  
 Reference:D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html (Home page)aE http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/news.html (Recentt news)    Regardsn  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660t Fax: 613-591-4477e kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:16:46 -0800n# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>d Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memoryl( Message-ID: <opsk0fd8u4zgicya@hyrrokkin>  @ On 21 Jan 2005 13:35:49 -0800, <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:  D > I can't say if there is a difference between the PWS 500au and theE > 600au, but in my 500au I have 4 Infineon HYS72V32201GR-8-C2 sticks. I > They are 256MB PC100 CL2 ECC Registered SDRAM.  I picked all four up ons0 > E-bay for $28 each plus shipping ($112 total).  / I have used the same memory in 433, 500 and 600o   -- hC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)l- Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters . Message-ID: <csu5ko$2jm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes in article <41F1ADDB.812C4607@comcast.net> dated Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:35:23 -0600:  >rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote:. >> t> >> Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally. > F >Is the network such that you can have non-routable protocols, even ifI >they need to be bridged transparently? If so, consider MSCP-serving them  >rather than NFS.e  E Can you use MSCP to serve to machines outside a cluster?  (Or are youa+ suggesting that he merge his two clusters?)e  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:51:54 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a* Subject: Re: using pipes for communication3 Message-ID: <ZZq2WChXzWSG@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  ^ In article <41f121e1$0$3526$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:A >> You have posted this to comp.os.vms which has no "dos window".3 > K > And doesn't have a .net environment either, although I think porting one  K > wouldn't be that difficult (the only two problems would be 1. why bother i: > and 2. avoiding being hit with large anvils by VMS guys) >   =    Be carefull what you disclaim.  HP is working on that one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:41:41 +0100i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: vms versus solarisu; Message-ID: <41f1f5a5.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > re: RMS bundled into VMS.  > H > Perhaps the right approach would be to follow Quicktime. It used to beD > included with all MACs. Then Apple realised that to make quicktimeG > relevant, it had to be available for free to other platforms as well.a > B > Consider that the vast number of applications that make use of aD > database engine could run very easily on simple indexed files, butF > theyt go through the more complex DB engine because that is all they > have available.F > C > If RMS were available for free on Linux, it would give RMS a much:C > greater profile and allow simple apps to start making use of RMS.c  2 I think that role is already taken by Berkeley DB.   cu,h   Martin --  ;                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!a. Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:04:42 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: vms versus solarisyB Message-ID: <41f2172b$0$17612$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:0 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >  >>re: RMS bundled into VMS.t >>H >>Perhaps the right approach would be to follow Quicktime. It used to beD >>included with all MACs. Then Apple realised that to make quicktimeG >>relevant, it had to be available for free to other platforms as well.n >>B >>Consider that the vast number of applications that make use of aD >>database engine could run very easily on simple indexed files, butF >>theyt go through the more complex DB engine because that is all they >>have available.e >>C >>If RMS were available for free on Linux, it would give RMS a much.C >>greater profile and allow simple apps to start making use of RMS.- >  > 4 > I think that role is already taken by Berkeley DB. >  > cu,e
 >   Martin  
 Hi Martin,  E Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my cA knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including dH OpenVMS. However, I do not know of any OS where it is integrated as the C default or mandatory universal record management service. In an OS mC without such an integrated service, no matter how well you or your  I development team program their record I/O code, it will not protect your TI data, DB or even your program executables from a user with the privilege fD to write  to your files from mistakingly using a stream I/O utility F which corrupts those record-formatted files. Since a universal record E management service also handles the default stream file access, this sC class of errors is "prevented" by an operating system design which @G ostensibly understands the record format a file was written, and later sC knows this format when completely different software programmed by rD people you will never know or meet tries to read or update the file.  G This is a very significant, (and according to the years-long record in  H COV) under-appreciated OS quality mechanism which is implemented by the & default integration of RMS in OpenVMS.  @ Please see my other postings in this thread for a more complete E explanation of the universal (at least for the OS) record management  ) services philosophy, with a few examples.h   Cheers!i   Keith Cayembergk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:27:03 -0000t6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: Re: vms versus solarisw6 Message-ID: <41f29afb$0$15407$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message,& news:3555ujF4j0dtaU3@individual.net...H > No, it's not.  ISAM and DBMS are both available on unix. It's just notI > the default.  And before you you bring up the additional cost of buyingiG > an additional commercial package.  What is the difference between VMSiH > and pretty much any unix, pricewise?  Basicly, VMS provides it, wetherI > you need it or not and makes you pay for it, wether you need it or not.e >a > bill  ; HP told me this week VMS on Itanium was 717 pounds for FOE.a  
 That includes:L OPENVMS-I64,OPENVMS-USER,DVNETEND,DW-MOTIF,UCX,TDC,DCOM-MIDL,X500-ADMIN-FACI LITY,X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER.a  8 I can't see there being much of a RMS tax in that price.   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:48:42 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a+ Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin directionn3 Message-ID: <6cHfj96F4H93@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  \ In article <05012111022537@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:I >> Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing somethinguE >> about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do Ih >> recall right? >> sJ >> Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if it >> spins IN to the heads.  >> .
 >> Thanks. > K > If the drive spins CCW you can make it spin CW by placing it upside down.r  E    Most modern drives can run either way, and sideways, too.  But I'd )    like to see you try that with an RP06.u   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.044 ************************