0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 54      Contents: c++ compiler Re: c++ compiler% Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing  Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC Keyboard Question  Re: DEC Keyboard Question  Re: DEC Keyboard Question 8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA2 Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering1 MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impact  Opensource on OpenVMS again 2 OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated  Pathworks install/config problem$ Re: Pathworks install/config problem Re: PDFs for HP C docs Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIP Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIP) Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ Apache P Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impP Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impP Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impP Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is imp& Re: Trouble starting CSWB 2.0 (Apache) VMS Compatible parts blowout Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS Re: Window managers on VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:02:09 +0100 * From: John GALLET <john.gallet@wanadoo.fr> Subject: c++ compiler E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501271747170.28700-100000@ns2261.ovh.net>   	 Hi there,   K I spent my whole day googling and ftp-ing on various sites with no results   so I turn to Usenet for advice.   J My needs : to compile (port if necessary, this I can do) QuickFix library J to VMS (http://www.quickfixengine.org/ for anyone interested in financial : information exchange Fix protocol). This is a C++ library.  ; Situation : VMS 7.1 (so GNV not an option, min req is 7.3). J Installed compiler : CC only, no CXX available. No idea where any install I CDs can be, no idea who can install the license for CXX even if they are  3 found/downloaded. I am clearly not up to that task.   I Being of unix breed, I turned to GCC. I found many references to "gnu on  E vms" but neither vms.gnu.org nor http://vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu/ respond.  I Nothing better on pregis.de or any of the different web sites pointed by   nearly all faqs.   The install document on : H http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.VMS_Install.html claims that :  = "The VMS version of GNU CC is distributed in a backup saveset 6 containing both source code and precompiled binaries."   Yeah, great, but WHERE is it ??   I So far, best I found was a GCC 2.8.1 without C++ support or a 2.7.1 with  * c++ support but for 6.xx version of VMS...    Thanks in advance for any hints.  
 Sincerely, John GALLET    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 10:03:39 -0800 From: bill@wcschmidt.com Subject: Re: c++ compiler C Message-ID: <1106849019.254846.269230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   1 You might want to try out this lots of stuff here   @ http://www1.aclabs.com/MasterIndex/Consolidations_external.shtml   John GALLET wrote: > Hi there,  > D > I spent my whole day googling and ftp-ing on various sites with no results ! > so I turn to Usenet for advice.  > C > My needs : to compile (port if necessary, this I can do) QuickFix  library A > to VMS (http://www.quickfixengine.org/ for anyone interested in 	 financial < > information exchange Fix protocol). This is a C++ library. > = > Situation : VMS 7.1 (so GNV not an option, min req is 7.3). C > Installed compiler : CC only, no CXX available. No idea where any  install F > CDs can be, no idea who can install the license for CXX even if they are 5 > found/downloaded. I am clearly not up to that task.  > G > Being of unix breed, I turned to GCC. I found many references to "gnu  onF > vms" but neither vms.gnu.org nor http://vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu/ respond.G > Nothing better on pregis.de or any of the different web sites pointed  by > nearly all faqs. >  > The install document on : C > http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.VMS_Install.html claims  that : > ? > "The VMS version of GNU CC is distributed in a backup saveset 8 > containing both source code and precompiled binaries." > ! > Yeah, great, but WHERE is it ??  > E > So far, best I found was a GCC 2.8.1 without C++ support or a 2.7.1  with, > c++ support but for 6.xx version of VMS... > " > Thanks in advance for any hints. >  > Sincerely,
 > John GALLET    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:49:24 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>. Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing2 Message-ID: <cta6eg$2ta$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   Allan Hathaway wrote:  > Hallo! > G > We are using a cluster plus a further OpenVMS computer, at the moment F > with DECNET and LAT switched on. In the future we have been told, weF > will not be able to use DECNET (because of changes to the networking@ > cabling in the company - something to do with DECNET cannot do > routing).  > * > What consequences will that have for us?C > 1. Is it true, that I then cannot use LAT but must use TCP/IP and # > TELNET for all interactive users?   M Yes, unless the terminal servers are on the same LAN segment, or on the same   VLAN as your VMS servers.     E > 2. I cannot copy between the cluster and the other OpenVMS computer / > with $COPY - I will have to use FTP. Correct?   M No, with DECnet Phase V you can use DECnet over IP. it has (almost) the same  L functionality as 'normal' Decnet. The cluster nodes should 'see' each other / directly without any kind of router in between.   > > 3. All Printers with LATSYM must be changed to TELNET-Queues   Yes, unless as in point 1.  F > 4. Various Devices eg. DECServer 200 will not work any more, because' > they need to download their software.   Q The DECserver 200 will not work at all (except as in point 1) since it needs MOP  K to load the software, and it is a LAT only terminal server. Later terminal  O servers (300 and later) can also use telnet. If I am not mistaken they can use  J BOOTP/TFTP to load their software, however these TCP/IP protocols are not Q routable either. So if a DECserver 'disappears' behind a router, you will need a  M DECserver with a flashcard that contains the software. You can still buy new   DECservers from DNPG.     $ > 5. What happens to Load-Balancing?  Q You can do that too with TCP/IP. However you will need a DNS server that accepts  % dynamic DNS updates from the cluster!      > Anything else? > Thanks in advance  >  > Allan Hathaway   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 07:55:44 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing3 Message-ID: <hRfV27u$6pzA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <ct8cl1$176$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:s > In article <TTd$oHD0rMoM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: k >>In article <77ad1693.0501260321.58abdbd6@posting.google.com>, alanhathway@gmx.de (Allan Hathaway) writes:  >> >>> Anything else? >>C >>   If you can get the network folks to keep IP port 700 open, you F >>   can do DECnet over IP.  That looks like IP to them and is managed) >>   as IP, but on both ends it's DECnet.  >>3 >>   That doesn't work for LAT, MOP, or VMSCluster.  >> > B > For DECNET Phase V over TCPIP the ports are TCP 102  and TCP 399  :    I think it's Multinet that does Phase IV over port 700.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:32 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk. Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing) Message-ID: <ctb967$t5s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   S In article <cta6eg$2ta$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  >Allan Hathaway wrote:	 >> Hallo!  >>  H >> We are using a cluster plus a further OpenVMS computer, at the momentG >> with DECNET and LAT switched on. In the future we have been told, we G >> will not be able to use DECNET (because of changes to the networking A >> cabling in the company - something to do with DECNET cannot do  >> routing). >>   > G >> 4. Various Devices eg. DECServer 200 will not work any more, because ( >> they need to download their software. > R >The DECserver 200 will not work at all (except as in point 1) since it needs MOP L >to load the software, and it is a LAT only terminal server. Later terminal P >servers (300 and later) can also use telnet. If I am not mistaken they can use K >BOOTP/TFTP to load their software, however these TCP/IP protocols are not   >routable either.   F TFTP is routable and Bootp can be routed across the network providing I routers in the way co-operate by setting up bootp forwarding/relaying see   , http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1812/174.htm    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    A >So if a DECserver 'disappears' behind a router, you will need a  N >DECserver with a flashcard that contains the software. You can still buy new  >DECservers from DNPG. >  > % >> 5. What happens to Load-Balancing?  > R >You can do that too with TCP/IP. However you will need a DNS server that accepts & >dynamic DNS updates from the cluster! >  >  >> Anything else?  >> Thanks in advance >>   >> Allan Hathaway    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:41:43 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? 4 Message-ID: <cta9g7$ehp$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   John Brandon wrote:   Q > We are evaluating DEC EDI and would like to get any feedback from those persons + > in the group that are using this product.   G We used the old VAX EDI product (UK specific), and were given a "free"  F upgrade to DEC EDI when Digital decided they wanted one international  product.  I It was a monster - it insisted on running about a dozen active processes  C all the time on our MV2, which ground to a halt - we junked it and  A bought a pc product - the maintenance licence was horrendous too.   H This is all obviously a long time ago, and things may well have changed  - hardware if nothing else.    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 03:04:09 -0800% From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? C Message-ID: <1106823849.260226.208730@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi,   D We have a client who has used it extensively for about 10 years, andC relies on it for EDI communications. They must be doing about 15000 F messages a day. We have been fortunate enough to have been involved inD setting up the environment - running on an OpenVMS Alpha cluster. We? load balance the EDI processes across the cluster running in an * active-active configuration on Oracle/Rdb.  > It works well, with a great audit trail. We are now looking at3 implementing the web browser based management tool.   5 Please do contact me if you need furhter information.    With regards Andrew     Chris Sharman wrote: > John Brandon wrote:  > E > > We are evaluating DEC EDI and would like to get any feedback from 
 those persons - > > in the group that are using this product.  > A > We used the old VAX EDI product (UK specific), and were given a  "free"G > upgrade to DEC EDI when Digital decided they wanted one international   
 > product. > @ > It was a monster - it insisted on running about a dozen active	 processes D > all the time on our MV2, which ground to a halt - we junked it andC > bought a pc product - the maintenance licence was horrendous too.  > A > This is all obviously a long time ago, and things may well have  changed  > - hardware if nothing else.  >  > Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 09:47:50 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? - Message-ID: <Q8UlWYwOPYeY@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   * brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:I > We are evaluating DEC EDI and would like to get any feedback from those 3 > persons in the group that are using this product.   P Prior to joining VMS Engineering, I ran one of the largest DEC/EDI installations7 (based on the number of daily transactions) in the U.S.   I I was quite pleased with the capabilities of the product; it had features K that competitor products could only dream of, radically cutting down on the J amount of hand-crafting needed to meet our needs for various transactions.   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:44:52 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? @ Message-ID: <41f90c74$0$816$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Brandon wrote:  > Q >>We are evaluating DEC EDI and would like to get any feedback from those persons + >>in the group that are using this product.  >  > J > Is the product still supported ? Developped ? is it being ported to IA64 > ?  JF,   F DEC/EDI appears to be actively supported and developed. But I haven't C seen anything about Itanium on their Website. However. their Alpha  : product is very up to date with support for ICC, Internet H communications, XML mapping and web-based management. Future support of & WebSphere MQ is also being considered.    ) http://www.decedi.com/product/default.asp G Digital GlobalSoft acquired the ownership rights for the EDI software,  F DEC/EDI from Compaq on May 1, 2001. The product was introduced by the G erstwhile Digital Equipment Corp in September, 1990. DEC/EDI has built  F up a very rich pedigree going back over the last 10 years. It has the % following achievements to its credit:   @ * First client/server EDI software to be released in the market.E * First client/server solution for the mixed IBM/Digital environment. I * First enterprise EDI to provide concurrent support for IBM SNA, TCP/IP   and DECnet/OSI networks.F * First EDI software that was reviewed by a "Big 6" public accounting 5 firm for transaction data integrity and completeness. > * First EDI software delivered and supported in 40+ countries.H * First implementation of the European Workshop for Open Systems (EWOS) B specification for the X.435 EDI communications standard providing / support for integrated EDI and electronic mail. A * First customer implementations of ANSI X12 270/271 Health Care  @ Eligibility, ANSI X12 130/131 Student Transcript and UN/EDIFACT - PRESDES/RESDES International Postal standards      DEC/EDI Homepage http://www.decedi.com     DEC/EDI - Product Road Map - PPT3 http://www.decedi.com/docs/Product%20Road%20Map.ppt   
 DEC/EDI - FAQ - http://www.decedi.com/support/support_faq.asp    DEC/EDI - Resource Center * http://www.decedi.com/resource/default.asp   DEC/EDI on Open VMS V4.05 http://www.decedi.com/product/prod_decedi_openvms.asp   % DEC/EDI at Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft 2 http://www.digitalindiasw.com/products/dec_edi.htm  ( DEC/EDI - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/dec-edi/index.html    DEC/EDI - HP Partner Brief, http://h18001.www1.hp.com/partners/digiglob/  ; DEC/EDI FileBridge for OpenVMS -  Software Products Library S http://www1.sqp.com/MasterIndex/final_spl_vmsvax_q498/SPLVVQ498_23WAA_1_1_SSB.shtml     I Here are some alternative OpenVMS Compatible EDI Products and Services...   ! 1 EDI Source, Inc. - EDI Services  http://www.1edisource.com/  / CCL - Relay - EDI (Electronic Data Interchange) % http://www.ccl.co.uk/products/edi.htm   ' Cleo 3780Plus -3780 Bisync EDI Solution ) http://www.cleo.com/products/3780plus.asp    Cleo 3780Plus Brochure - PDF* http://www.cleo.com/documents/3780plus.pdf  : DataMirror DB/XML Transform Software - DB access with JDBC2 http://www.datamirror.com/products/dbxmltransform/  , EDI Sciences Incorporated - DEC EDI Services& http://www.mv.com/ipusers/edisciences/  E EDI Sciences, Inc. - Integrity Ready - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief 0 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/edi/index.htm  C edisolve.com, inc. - MiddleSolve/2000 - EDI and workflow management  http://www.edisolve.com   F GEMINAQ Systems Limited - EDI Services - Canada (must view with MS IE)( http://geminaq.com/index_files/frame.htm  4 Radley Corporation - CARaS EDI - Radley-EDI - iCARaS. http://www.radley.com/Products/Auto-iCARaS.htm   Radley Corporation - IR*EDI , http://www.radley.com/Products/B2B-iREDI.htm   RecallSystems, Inc. - EDIRecall ' http://www.faxrecall.com/edirecall.html    Sterling Commerce - EDI 2 http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/solutions/edi.html  - Sterling Commerce - Gentran Integration Suite L http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/solutions/GentranIntegrationSuite/index.html  6 Sterling Commerce - Gentran - Internet EDI White Paper1 http://www.ou.edu/edi/iedi/iediimplementation.htm   - Sterling Commerce - Gentran - Wayback Machine n http://web.archive.org/web/20040309222350/http://www.stercomm.co.uk/solutions/ebusinessintegration/gentran.asp   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:44:34 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? , Message-ID: <itednSG-4Jvoh2TcRVn-pQ@igs.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >> John Brandon wrote: >>E >>> We are evaluating DEC EDI and would like to get any feedback from ; >>> those persons in the group that are using this product.  >> >>F >> Is the product still supported ? Developped ? is it being ported to	 >> IA64 ?  > JF,  > G > DEC/EDI appears to be actively supported and developed. But I haven't D > seen anything about Itanium on their Website. However. their Alpha; > product is very up to date with support for ICC, Internet F > communications, XML mapping and web-based management. Future support+ > of WebSphere MQ is also being considered.  >  > + > http://www.decedi.com/product/default.asp H > Digital GlobalSoft acquired the ownership rights for the EDI software,G > DEC/EDI from Compaq on May 1, 2001. The product was introduced by the H > erstwhile Digital Equipment Corp in September, 1990. DEC/EDI has builtG > up a very rich pedigree going back over the last 10 years. It has the ' > following achievements to its credit:  > B > * First client/server EDI software to be released in the market.G > * First client/server solution for the mixed IBM/Digital environment. C > * First enterprise EDI to provide concurrent support for IBM SNA, ! > TCP/IP and DECnet/OSI networks. G > * First EDI software that was reviewed by a "Big 6" public accounting 7 > firm for transaction data integrity and completeness. @ > * First EDI software delivered and supported in 40+ countries.B > * First implementation of the European Workshop for Open Systems@ > (EWOS) specification for the X.435 EDI communications standard; > providing support for integrated EDI and electronic mail. B > * First customer implementations of ANSI X12 270/271 Health CareA > Eligibility, ANSI X12 130/131 Student Transcript and UN/EDIFACT / > PRESDES/RESDES International Postal standards  >  >  > DEC/EDI Homepage > http://www.decedi.com  > " > DEC/EDI - Product Road Map - PPT5 > http://www.decedi.com/docs/Product%20Road%20Map.ppt  >  > DEC/EDI - FAQ / > http://www.decedi.com/support/support_faq.asp  >  > DEC/EDI - Resource Center , > http://www.decedi.com/resource/default.asp >  > DEC/EDI on Open VMS V4.07 > http://www.decedi.com/product/prod_decedi_openvms.asp  > ' > DEC/EDI at Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft 4 > http://www.digitalindiasw.com/products/dec_edi.htm > * > DEC/EDI - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief7 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/dec-edi/index.html  >  > DEC/EDI - HP Partner Brief. > http://h18001.www1.hp.com/partners/digiglob/ > = > DEC/EDI FileBridge for OpenVMS -  Software Products Library  > L http://www1.sqp.com/MasterIndex/final_spl_vmsvax_q498/SPLVVQ498_23WAA_1_1_SS B.shtml  >  > ? > Here are some alternative OpenVMS Compatible EDI Products and 
 > Services...  > # > 1 EDI Source, Inc. - EDI Services  > http://www.1edisource.com/ > 1 > CCL - Relay - EDI (Electronic Data Interchange) ' > http://www.ccl.co.uk/products/edi.htm  > ) > Cleo 3780Plus -3780 Bisync EDI Solution + > http://www.cleo.com/products/3780plus.asp  >  > Cleo 3780Plus Brochure - PDF, > http://www.cleo.com/documents/3780plus.pdf > < > DataMirror DB/XML Transform Software - DB access with JDBC4 > http://www.datamirror.com/products/dbxmltransform/ > . > EDI Sciences Incorporated - DEC EDI Services( > http://www.mv.com/ipusers/edisciences/ > G > EDI Sciences, Inc. - Integrity Ready - OpenVMS Business Partner Brief 2 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/edi/index.htm > E > edisolve.com, inc. - MiddleSolve/2000 - EDI and workflow management  > http://www.edisolve.com  > H > GEMINAQ Systems Limited - EDI Services - Canada (must view with MS IE)* > http://geminaq.com/index_files/frame.htm > 6 > Radley Corporation - CARaS EDI - Radley-EDI - iCARaS0 > http://www.radley.com/Products/Auto-iCARaS.htm >  > Radley Corporation - IR*EDI . > http://www.radley.com/Products/B2B-iREDI.htm > ! > RecallSystems, Inc. - EDIRecall ) > http://www.faxrecall.com/edirecall.html  >  > Sterling Commerce - EDI 4 > http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/solutions/edi.html > / > Sterling Commerce - Gentran Integration Suite  > L http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/solutions/GentranIntegrationSuite/index.html > 8 > Sterling Commerce - Gentran - Internet EDI White Paper3 > http://www.ou.edu/edi/iedi/iediimplementation.htm  > / > Sterling Commerce - Gentran - Wayback Machine  > L http://web.archive.org/web/20040309222350/http://www.stercomm.co.uk/solution" s/ebusinessintegration/gentran.asp >        A couple of observations:   I a) The decedi.com site looks as though the information has been frozen in D time since 2001.  http://www.digitalindiasw.com/products/dec_edi.htm? refers people back to the www.decedi.com site for product info.   J b) The release notes for the current version talk about v4.0 . If you viewI the 'product roadmap', it looks ahead to v4.3 but it appears to be a 2001 K vintage document. This leads me to believe that there has been nothing done I to the product since 2001 other than it being sold to a company in India.   K c) The foregoing all leads me to believe, based on first glances, that work H to release v4.3 has not proceeded due to lack of demand for the product,G which is most likely directly related to a decided lack of sales of VMS J itself to a sufficiently large enough base of customers who need this typeG of application, or that EDI users on VMS have chosen other applications  instead. Corrections welcome  J d) We have used the CLEO 3780 Bi-synch product (on Sun). It's a reasonablyK featured product but was a resource hog. The DEC 2780/3780 product was very & good (used it waaaaaay back - 1980's).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:13:06 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? 8 Message-ID: <ls6iv0hvn0dhk4ivahvl1pnlj5mpq3m52n@4ax.com>  N On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:44:52 +0100, Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote:  G >DEC/EDI appears to be actively supported and developed. But I haven't  - >seen anything about Itanium on their Website   / It should be available this quarter on Itanium.   P The first port of call for any question regarding status of a particular product= on Itanium is the Software Public Rollout Reports for OpenVMS 6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/swroll/index.html   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:20:41 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question2 Message-ID: <cta4od$cgr$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   John E. Malmberg wrote: @ > [Followups set to comp.os.vms since this is about OpenVMS use] > ! > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > I >> I have a couple of questions about DEC/Compaq/HP keyboards.  The first 7 >> question may make the second one moot but here goes:  >>J >> I have found discussions about various KVM switches and the DEC 108-keyJ >> keybords and most seem to indicate that they do not mix well except forJ >> a few brands/models.  Does anyone know if the Avocent Outlook ES series >> works or doesn't? >  > D > Do not know.  From what I have been able to determine much of the H > trouble has been from using them with multiple operating systems that I > may put the keyboard in different scan modes, and some KVM switches do  G > not remember which scan mode that each host was using to put it back.  > K > The other issue that affects KVM suitability is if the KVM uses keyboard  I > keys to switch sessions.  The Belkin model that I have only because it  K > was really cheap on sale, and also switched the audio, uses the key that  ) > is known as "Scroll Lock" on an X86 PC.  > J > It requires that you press it twice in a time period and then hit up or I > down arrow.  Experiments have shown that it passes those some of those  I > key strokes through to the host operating system.  On the LK4xx series  H > keyboard, the key that generates the "Scroll Lock" code is F19, which ) > has meaning to the Mozilla application.  > G > Holding down the Alt key while entering the required string seems to  J > send a keystroke sequence that toggles DECWindows-Motif handling of the H > mouse mode, and after switching back to the OpenVMS system, I seem to A > have to usually key in an additional ALT-F19 to toggle it back.  > K > I have only had this KVM a little while and this is only a hobby system,  ? > so I do not know if other problems could occur from it's use.  > H > If this is a production system, I would suggest contacting HP support. > H >> Also, dispite much Googling and Yahooing I have not been able to findF >> the difference between the LK46W-XX and LK461-XX keyboards.  I knowD >> they are both 108-key "OpenVMS" style, although I cannot find anyJ >> keyboard layouts.  I have also found in various SOC editions where bothH >> are listed as suitable for AlphaServer class machines.  I just wonderG >> what the difference was and if it is significant or will either work  >> fine with my OpenVMS boxes. >  > I > The two keyboards have a similar layout. I not sure that there are any  H > functional differences.  I am typing on an LK461 right now.  I am not 2 > aware of what the different model number's mean. > J > There also appears to be a LK451 model which has in addition to the VMS H > layout, key caps that indicate which keys generate the typical x86 PC I > codes.  It also has two more LEDs for Scroll Lock and something else I   > can not remember.   O The LK451 was a keyboard for PC's. There was a special driver available so you  Q could use all function keys of the keyboard. This way you could use the LK451 as  N any normal VT terminal keyboard when you were using the PC as a terminal. For P some reason DEC stopped selling these keyboards and did not supply new versions  of the driver either.      > F > I have been able to use standard x86 PC keyboards with Alphas to do H > elementary things.  They work well enough to get OpenVMS installed or K > upgraded and get the hobby license keys installed.  After that, I mainly  ( > accessed that system from the network. >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:57:58 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question) Message-ID: <cta6u6$2a6$1@news.BelWue.DE>   Z In article <ct94qj$n7v$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote: > a >> In article <tTNJd.6603$wy5.240@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >[...]L >>>VMS will poll the KB when the driver is reset to force a powerup sequenceD >>>as well.  But if no KB is there, the sequence may never complete. >>   >>  M >> So if I could tell the KVM to send 0xAA to the Alpha this should force the + >> Alpha to start the keyboard negotiation?  > @ >Is that possible?  Does the Rose ServeView+ that you've written> >about allow you to program a sequence to be sent to the host?  O I don't know but I sent an e-mail to Rose Electronics to ask just that. The KVM L has a key combination to "reset" the mouse and there is one send some "zero"K code. So it might be possible that there are others. I'll let you know what  they will tell me.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:03:30 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question2 Message-ID: <Sw6Kd.6729$to6.4342@news.cpqcorp.net>  + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:cta4od$cgr$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl...  L > The LK451 was a keyboard for PC's. There was a special driver available so you I > could use all function keys of the keyboard. This way you could use the  LK451 asK > any normal VT terminal keyboard when you were using the PC as a terminal.  For H > some reason DEC stopped selling these keyboards and did not supply new versions > of the driver either.  >   D The LK450 had 3 engravings: PC, WPS (Gold Key), and LK401.  It had a built-in audioJ for a bell and keyclick (but no direct commands to use them).  It could be switchedG between LK401 and PS2 mode by a key sequence.  It had a special Windows  driver
 to handle it.   L I believe it was discontinued because of the low demand.  It was replaced by the I LK411 which had no keyclick/bell, and looked exactly like a LK401 and did  not L have the fancy mode switching capabilities.  The generations of KB following itL all used the same program logic, but were different colors, makers, cheaper, etc.J The current KB when connected to a dongle functions exactly like an LK411, and L has a native USB connector.  Inretrospect, we probably could have chosen theJ USB codes for the extra keys better to be more compatable with the PC (but even then it would be imperfect).  @ The LK keyboards history was a design for the Pro-300 and VT200.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 07:48:40 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA 3 Message-ID: <kv5S2LT9ZU0j@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <NbhXQ4F0+r4F@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:s > In article <MBqy4thL5Tl1@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: H >>    And let's not forget the almighty MicroVAX II with it's TK50 drive@ >>    on permanent display downtown in the Air and Space Museum. >  > I missed that. Where is it?  > L > And I WAS looking for it, cuz when I was there 15 years earlier, it had anL > OUT OF ORDER sign on it. If I ever dig through all my old FILM, I probably > took a picture of it.   D    Upstairs, LM (and cafeteria) end, mall side.  It's sitting on theE    floor behind a widow in the wall in the entrance to the exhibit on E    aeronautics research.  You're in that exhibit if you're looking at E    Howard Hughes' racer, a Cray, the forward-swept wing airplane, or      parts of other computers.     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:27 -0500 + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60-041.0501270907020.1924@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  N It's upstairs in the gallery of computers. as you enter the gallery, it's more? or less on the left, at floor level, behind glass in the wall.  G been a while since ive seen it, but i probably let out an audible cheer-! when i saw a microvax in there :)L   isildurn    & On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Bob Kaplow wrote:  s > In article <MBqy4thL5Tl1@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:iH >>    And let's not forget the almighty MicroVAX II with it's TK50 drive@ >>    on permanent display downtown in the Air and Space Museum. >d > I missed that. Where is it?l >eL > And I WAS looking for it, cuz when I was there 15 years earlier, it had anL > OUT OF ORDER sign on it. If I ever dig through all my old FILM, I probably > took a picture of it.  >h3 > 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"i( > 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<M > Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfsM >    www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.orgM >gJ >        You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself aD >        reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go aboutJ >        repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the7 >        struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beardr >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:54:17 -0500y# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>pA Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USAl, Message-ID: <O8WdnaCi2NkhgWTcRVn-rw@igs.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote:tG > In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050126114651.02a22f20@raptor.psccos.com>, Dang% > O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:eH >> Tell you what: the one item I really wanted was the solid cherry RL01G >> drive that used to be in the lobby of CX01 (Colorado Springs) in theVB >> early 1980's.  The whole drive cabinet was beautifully-finishedD >> cherry wood.  I was told it was the (or an) original prototype of? >> the drive, but I don't know how true that was.  You ought to- >> remember that one, Bob! >aG > Alas, no. I don't recall where I entered CX1 (I don't think it had anc > "O"cH > back then) for my trips to the support center. Later trips were to the > warehouse where we met.p > E > The thing I always wanted was the prototype MVII that a friend had,o
 > with the% > butcher block top instead of metal.p    D I guess that was the first 'kitchen' computer for organizing cooking	 recipies.e  4 Gave a whole new meaning to getting a quick byte :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:10:55 +0000 (UTC) . From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com>; Subject: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering , Message-ID: <ctb3qf$1b6$1@reader1.panix.com>  < In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system: at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my; local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMSu< clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site connections.  = For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering. ; I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only usingc; some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using ao> router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups: to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,2 restore the backups on the remote site, and so on.  < Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or. better solutions without using VMS clustering?  > I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need to know the alternatives.0   -- 87 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:48:19 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clusteringe, Message-ID: <aIGdnZHb96_LhmTcRVn-pA@igs.net>   Dale Dellutri wrote:> > In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system< > at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my= > local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMSS> > clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site > connections. >o? > For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering. = > I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only using = > some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using al@ > router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups< > to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,4 > restore the backups on the remote site, and so on. >o> > Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or0 > better solutions without using VMS clustering? >e@ > I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need > to know the alternatives.     " Exactly what do you need to synch?J If you are trying to synch individual users files then there are differentL solutions open to you vs. trying to keep two instances of Oracle transaction data synchronized, for example."   More details please.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:00:16 -0600p( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering.1 Message-ID: <05012711001678@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>-   Dale Dellutri  wrote:   > > In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system< > at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my= > local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMS > > clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site > connections.   I will assume databasesA  > http://www.connx.com/products/change-data-capture/DataSync.asp     John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administratorg* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC)u. From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com>? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering , Message-ID: <ctb9sd$3vj$1@reader1.panix.com>  F On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:48:19 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > Dale Dellutri wrote:@ > > In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system> > > at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my? > > local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMSl@ > > clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site > > connections. > > A > > For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering.L? > > I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only usinge? > > some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using adB > > router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups> > > to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,6 > > restore the backups on the remote site, and so on. > >v@ > > Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or2 > > better solutions without using VMS clustering? > >eB > > I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need > > to know the alternatives.w  $ > Exactly what do you need to synch?L > If you are trying to synch individual users files then there are differentN > solutions open to you vs. trying to keep two instances of Oracle transaction! > data synchronized, for example.t   > More details please.  A Currently, I'm only worried about user files on three disks, each D containing about 10 Gbyte, of which about 20 Mbyte changes each day.0 So 30 Gbyte total, 60 Mbyte in changes each day.   -- s7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 10:08:14 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com: Subject: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impactC Message-ID: <1106849294.395455.291200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>n  < There's a MySQL bot on the loose.  Per the info at the ISC (G http://isc.sans.org/diary.php/diary.php?date=2005-01-27 ) it looks likeyE it can only really infect a wintel based system, but the breakin part F could work on MySQL on other platforms; that might leave an unexpectedB (but unusable) file on the system, at least until the snerts startG creating executables for other platforms.  It does a brute force attack>F on the database 'root' password via a connection to port 3306 and uses< that to drop a wintel DLL onto the system, then executes it.  8 Port 3306 scanning has been noted; this is probably why.  ? This is not a flaw in MySQL except if you count a possibly poor:D password on the database's ROOT account against it.  Recommendations' are made for providing better security.1  D Just in case any of you are running MySQL in a more open environmentE (mine is safely ensconced on a private firewall protected LAN with noV wintels around)...   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 10:13:08 -0800* From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO)$ Subject: Opensource on OpenVMS again= Message-ID: <79c022e7.0501271013.4be1df25@posting.google.com>   G I agree that some free softwares will be very usefull on OpenVMS : datarP reporting tools, relational databases... But most people have ever done anything# except complaining about this lack.i  O They are a lot of good free softwares not so hard to port on OpenVMS platform. lM For example, you have a plethoric choice of content management systems based   upon PHP or Java.a  Q I have ported a nice groupware (Lucane) and the PCSI kit will be downloadable on  P my site soon. Jean-Yves Bourles and me have almost finished porting Jonas (J2EE M application server). We are testing 2 Java-based CMS (exoplatform, magnolia) nQ using a servlet container (Tomcat) and we plan porting Jboss and Zope... Porting aP free softwares on OpenVMS is not only more effective than complaining but it is  also funny to do ;-).a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:00:24 +0100u0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>; Subject: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements UpdatedC@ Message-ID: <41f8f3f9$0$803$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>  E The OpenVMS What's New Web Site has been updated with a multitude of v! announcements for January. Enjoy.-  ( http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.html     Cheers!:   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:21:09 -0500s( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updatedn= Message-ID: <_OadnRhWO8VDm2TcRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: > G > The OpenVMS What's New Web Site has been updated with a multitude of r# > announcements for January. Enjoy.I  I It's a bit difficult to enjoy such an underwhelming roadmap (though they nB sure managed to fill up a lot of space - guess they feel that the F enhancements being performed by a bunch of third parties to their own F software that happens to run on VMS as well as more popular platforms H qualify as 'VMS development').  Rob must be thrilled to see that Galaxy = shared memory won't be supported on Itanic (in the so-called -$ 'full-function' 2006 release there).  F And the Unix fork support that we've been hearing about for years now G seems to have fallen off the edge of the known world, at least through mF 2008.  Plus no mention of the significant work it would take to bring E ODS-2 and RMS file sizes into the 21st century (something else we've uC been hearing about informally for over 5 years).  Guess there's no i4 funding for much that's at all difficult these days.  E Aside from support for new hardware and and for enhanced versions of sH software which is primarily developed for more popular platforms, looks H an awful lot like maintenance-mode city without the formal name.  But I & suppose I could have missed something.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:34:27 -0000i% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> ) Subject: Pathworks install/config probleml0 Message-ID: <10vhuvljgemrt63@corp.supernews.com>   All,  D I'm having trouble getting Pathworks running - well, to be precise,  configured.c7 It's failing when creating the SAM database (see below)eH Any hints or tips about troubleshooting this would be more than welcome.   Thanks in advance.   Pathworks Version 
 ============= - PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced Server)o   System Details
 ==========:                Hardware type: Digital Personal WorkStation2                Software type: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1+               DECnet address: 21.12 (21516) 4            System disk space: 816860 blocks (2047Mb)6              Physical memory: 1048576 pagelets (512Mb)!          CPUs (total/active): 1/1p                       Cluster: No$            Global pages free: 803120!         Global sections free: 132 #                Pagefile free: 66048w#             Global page file: 49408n#              Bug check fatal: FALSE (           Virtual page count: 2147483647   Networko ======G Product:  DECNET        Node:  xxxxx                Address(es):  21.12aL Product:  TCPWARE       Node:  xxxxx     Address(es):  127.0.0.1 192.168.0.8H Product:  TCP/IP        Node:  <TCPIP host/node name not yet available>  Address(es):  0.0.0.0d   Output from PWRK$CONFIGu =====================u*    1.  Run the license server:          NO*    2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO+    3.  Enable Alerter service:          YES 5    3a. Alert user names:                Administrator-+    4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES 0    5.  Advanced Server domain:          LANGROUP/    6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARYg-    7.  Advanced Server computer name:   xxxxxoI    8.  Server announce comment:    PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced t Server)D8 Enter item number, or RETURN to use these values [DONE]:   Saving parameters ...s Creating SAM datafiles...   . %PWRK-F-SAMCHECK, error creating SAM databases  + PWRK-I-RESTORE, restoring original settings    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:07:47 -0500n$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>- Subject: Re: Pathworks install/config problemw, Message-ID: <ctb755$psn$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,a  0 "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message* news:10vhuvljgemrt63@corp.supernews.com... > All, >dE > I'm having trouble getting Pathworks running - well, to be precise,i
 > configured.e9 > It's failing when creating the SAM database (see below)rJ > Any hints or tips about troubleshooting this would be more than welcome. >9 > Thanks in advance. >p > Pathworks Version  > =============h/ > PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced Server)n >t  L Yikes, that's some really, really old stuff.  You should install v6.1 (or at
 least v6.0D).e     > System Details > ========== [snip]   > Output from PWRK$CONFIGp > =====================r+ >   1.  Run the license server:          NOt+ >   2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO , >   3.  Enable Alerter service:          YES6 >   3a. Alert user names:                Administrator, >   4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES1 >   5.  Advanced Server domain:          LANGROUPn0 >   6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARY. >   7.  Advanced Server computer name:   xxxxxI >   8.  Server announce comment:    PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advancedp	 > Server)s: > Enter item number, or RETURN to use these values [DONE]: >3 > Saving parameters ...U > Creating SAM datafiles...t >a0 > %PWRK-F-SAMCHECK, error creating SAM databases >/- > PWRK-I-RESTORE, restoring original settings-  H That can be many things, unfortunately.  If this is a brand new setup, IF would recommend deleting/renaming any/all files in pwrk$lmdomains: andL pwrk$lmdatafiles: directories (except the [.msgfiles] subdir) and try again.I Alternately, you can get the actual command that is failing by defining ae( logical name before running pwrk$config:   $ define pwrk$debug_com 1h  H You should really choose a different domain name as well - don't use the# default - make it something unique.   F But again, I urge you to not even try with v6.0B - get v6.1 (or v6.0D)I installed first.  For v6.1, if you want clients to map drives/printers to/4 it, you'll need the license pwlmxxxca07.03, however.   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 04:14:31 -0800& From: "Galen" <gspamtackett@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: PDFs for HP C docs B Message-ID: <1106828071.283196.71580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F Thanks, Warren. I'll keep an eye on the places you mentioned to see if PDFs turn up there.3   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:07:46 GMTt* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>' Subject: Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIPw2 Message-ID: <SA6Kd.6730$ut6.5625@news.cpqcorp.net>  H xauth did not appear on VMS until Motif V1.3-1 on V7.3-2 (a V1.3 kit for
 V7.3-1 also).cF If you click on SECURITY in the style manager, and do not see anything except4 the host list, then you are on too old of a version.  H Note that V1.3 and beyond will not install on versions of VMS older than V7.3-1.   K In the case of older versions, you indeed have to run with just a host listc on the' Linux side with no xauth/magic cookies.C  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41F87E1B.8B43F410@teksavvy.com...
 > k wrote:L > > As I am unable to find an equivalent to the xauth on VMS I am suspiciousJ > > that this version of Motif might be too old to communicate with recentK > > versions of linux.  There have been suggestions to run my linux Xserver 5 > > without any security, e.g. X -ac as a workaround.u >nJ > 1. When you RUN DECW$CLOCK with the display set to your linux box, MotifH > is not related since the exchange between the VMS and the linux box isH > ulerly at the X protocol level. So while VMS has an antique version of" > Motif, it doesn't really matter. >uI > If you can't telnet to port 6000 betwene the vms machine and the linuix J > box, the problem is most likely either at the tcpip level (blocked port,I > etc), or on the X server software on the linux which doesn't answer the  call.e >gG > Make sure that on your linux box, you have the x server listneting onz > port 6000. >hH > > FYI, I have no trouble with Tru64 5.1A <-> mylinux connection or anyJ > > other linux X <-> linux Y flavors.  OpenVMS seems to be unique in this > > department.I >hJ > Can your VMS box open any xwindows on any of your linux boxes ? (i.e. isG > it just one box that won't allow VMS to display on it, or do you have > > problems with the VMS host opening a window on any machine ? >.E > Is there a router between your VMS host and the linux host ? Is thee% > router perhaps blocking port 6000 ?e >aH > The fact that a telnet to port 6000 fails means that since it fails toE > even connect, it doesn't get far enough into the process to see anybI > possible incompatibilities at the X level since that level doesn't evenC begin.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 08:50:57 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk.' Subject: Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIPgC Message-ID: <1106844657.415896.271690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>v  > I found more about the LINUX client to OpenVMS display server.  @ I think it is only an issue when the display server has multiple" screens configured using Xinerama.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:52:10 GMTC. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>2 Subject: Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ Apache+ Message-ID: <em6Kd.36026$Ob.22577@edtnps84>n  K This might be your problem.  On My system I only have the 8.1.7 client but eI it should be the same.  Here is a sample of the my php_setup.com used by E apache. Hope it helpst --  9 $ orauser = "sys$sysdevice:[oracle8.817.util]orauser.com"e! $ if (f$search(orauser) .nes. "")  $ then $       @'orauser'	 $       !IF $       ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the OCI client 	 shareable/	 $       ! 7 $       oraclient = "ORA_ROOT:[UTIL]ORACLIENT_V817.EXE" ) $       if (f$search(oraclient) .nes. "")  $       then7 $               define/nolog apache$oci_shr 'oraclient'o
 $       endifa $ endif   & <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1106799065.014079.252150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... H > Well, I shot myself in the foot somehow. I had spent hours getting PHPE > and CSWS to work with Oracle 9i and I must've missed a logical nameDF > that I had defined because after a reboot I can't connect using PHP. >dH > PHP works fine but it just wont talk to Oracle. I remember seeing someF > info in COV about pointing to the Oracle client. However, 9i doesn't > have any *client.exe.1 >.F > I have the ORAUSER in the login.com for the username for Apache. Can) > anyone tell me what I might be missing?/ >t > Here's the config: >q > VMS 7.3-1_ > CSWS (latest...2.0?) > PHP (also latest)m >l > Thanks in advance. >b > Bill >    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 04:46:46 -0800 From: icerq4a@spray.seY Subject: Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is imp/C Message-ID: <1106830006.577388.156530@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>w   Mark Berryman wrote: > John Smith wrote:3 > [text deleted] > >  > >pE > > (Aside: - Why is it that we never seem to hear from new customersr in theE > > forums despite some measures of growth being touted at 10-15% pern annum?D > > Surely more than a few of the tech people at these new customers aresE > > familiar with the c.ov., encompass, Info-Vax, openvms.org forums.B So where6 > > are these people, or do they really exist at all?) >xG > Oh, they're out there all right.  They just don't want anything to dog  D > with this forum.  The words used and the names cited vary but they addcF > up to one thing: incessant whining, complaining, or insulting is notF > what they are interested in reading.  I also know several people whoC > have been involved in VMS for a long time who no longer read thisn forumD > for the same reasons.o  : I agree, I know many people who don't read c.o.v. anymore.' JF Mezei is one of the primary reasons.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:10:02 -0500u# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>cY Subject: Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impa, Message-ID: <OLudnbPcOvuga2XcRVn-jg@igs.net>   Mark Berryman wrote: > John Smith wrote:/ > [text deleted] >> >>G >> (Aside: - Why is it that we never seem to hear from new customers in D >> the forums despite some measures of growth being touted at 10-15%D >> per annum? Surely more than a few of the tech people at these new> >> customers are familiar with the c.ov., encompass, Info-Vax,C >> openvms.org forums. So where are these people, or do they reallyi >> exist at all?)c >iG > Oh, they're out there all right.  They just don't want anything to do H > with this forum.  The words used and the names cited vary but they addF > up to one thing: incessant whining, complaining, or insulting is notF > what they are interested in reading.  I also know several people whoC > have been involved in VMS for a long time who no longer read thiso > forum for the same reasons.g    H No offense - complaining about "complaining" smacks of  the Bush model -J 'criticism is unpatriotic'. If so, am I to believe that Nelson Mandela and@ Lech Walensa were just a couple of rabble-rousing troublemakers?  J Since the lapdog computing press does not take HP to task on their bungledI handling of the VMS market, who else is left but the customer base - bothC end-users and ISV's?     A thread worth reading: 6 http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=6&i=412&t=406   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:33:55 -0500s' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>-Y Subject: Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impp, Message-ID: <41F92603.4040204@tsoft-inc.com>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:d   > Mark Berryman wrote: >  >>John Smith wrote:2 >>[text deleted] >> >>>aD >>>(Aside: - Why is it that we never seem to hear from new customers >>>l > in the > D >>>forums despite some measures of growth being touted at 10-15% per >>>  > annum? > C >>>Surely more than a few of the tech people at these new customersa >>>e > aree > D >>>familiar with the c.ov., encompass, Info-Vax, openvms.org forums. >>>u
 > So where > 5 >>>are these people, or do they really exist at all?)e >>>lG >>Oh, they're out there all right.  They just don't want anything to do- >> > D >>with this forum.  The words used and the names cited vary but they >> > add  > F >>up to one thing: incessant whining, complaining, or insulting is notF >>what they are interested in reading.  I also know several people whoC >>have been involved in VMS for a long time who no longer read thise >> > forumh >  >>for the same reasons.u >> > < > I agree, I know many people who don't read c.o.v. anymore.) > JF Mezei is one of the primary reasons.o >  >   * JF has some posts that are, ... difficult.  O JF also has posts with relavent information.  Hey, nobody's perfect.  Possibly rN some of those people should develope a better ability to filter, and not stay 6 upset for three weeks after a post they disagree with.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:11:19 +0100u0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>Y Subject: Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impa@ Message-ID: <41f8cc59$0$815$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Mark Berryman wrote: > John Smith wrote:e > [text deleted] >  >> >>K >> (Aside: - Why is it that we never seem to hear from new customers in the K >> forums despite some measures of growth being touted at 10-15% per annum? G >> Surely more than a few of the tech people at these new customers are H >> familiar with the c.ov., encompass, Info-Vax, openvms.org forums. So  >> where5 >> are these people, or do they really exist at all?)p >  > H > Oh, they're out there all right.  They just don't want anything to do I > with this forum.  The words used and the names cited vary but they add  G > up to one thing: incessant whining, complaining, or insulting is not oG > what they are interested in reading.  I also know several people who  J > have been involved in VMS for a long time who no longer read this forum  > for the same reasons.  > 8 > I have not asked about any other forums than this one. >  > Mark Berrymanl  H I would have to concur. In other VMS forums I often see a lot of new or E unfamiliar names (try ITRC for instance).  Also, I suspect there are  I more lurkers reading through COV than contributers, especially when they aH are new to the VMS community. Writing something in COV can be daunting. E I was a lurker in COV at least 5 years before I started contributing MI semi-regularly. Although, I have been using DEC equipment and OS's since nE 1980 (TOPS-10, VMS since 1982), I'm sure almost nobody active in COV hF knew of me in the 20th century. It's still a big world out there, and . more than enough room for VMS to have success.  D Who else here was among the nearly 100 participants of PARSEC's freeF Web-Seminar on ECP and T4 last night? Practically all the names I saw  were new to me.r   Cheers!I   Keith Cayembergf   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:31:45 -0000L% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> / Subject: Re: Trouble starting CSWB 2.0 (Apache) 0 Message-ID: <10vi5rja5gek14d@corp.supernews.com>  G Sorry all, just before you all flame me, please read "CSWS" instead of  ) "CSWB" (Mozilla, which is working great).e    1 "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message  * news:10vi5jooq4nmmc6@corp.supernews.com... > Hi,s >hB > I've installed the latest CSWB (2.0) and cannot get it to start.= > When I run HTTPD from the command line I get the following,  >bE >    [Thu Jan 27 16:19:49 2005] [crit] (6)no such device or address:   > alloc_listener:t+ >    failed to get a socket for 192.168.0.8oE >    Syntax error on line 196 of /apache$root/000000/conf/httpd.conf:l >    Listen setup failed >e > Line 196 reads as follows, >f >    Listen 192.168.0.8:80 >dH > I changed this from the default (Listen 80) which was also failing on  > getting a socket on 0.0.0.0. >-* > Log files hold no clues that I can find. >7G > Although I've got TCPIP & TCPWare installed, TCPIP is not started. I mG > originally had TCPIP but found it lacking so put TCPWare on as well. BK > Nothing else seems to mind so I'm assuming this is not a problem. Anyway uL > if I try to deinstall TCPIP it warns about dependencies on VMS itself, so  > I've chickened out of this.t >" > Any help greatly appreciated.m >r > System Details > ==========; >               Hardware type: Digital Personal WorkStation 3 >               Software type: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1n, >              DECnet address: 21.12 (21516)5 >           System disk space: 816860 blocks (2047Mb) 7 >             Physical memory: 1048576 pagelets (512Mb)I" >         CPUs (total/active): 1/1! >                     Cluster: Noa% >           Global pages free: 803120n" >        Global sections free: 132$ >               Pagefile free: 66048$ >            Global page file: 49408$ >             Bug check fatal: FALSE) >          Virtual page count: 2147483647h >e	 > Networkh > ======I > Product:  DECNET        Node:  xxxxx                Address(es):  21.12sC > Product:  TCPWARE       Node:  xxxxx     Address(es):  127.0.0.1 7
 > 192.168.0.8aI > Product:  TCP/IP        Node:  <TCPIP host/node name not yet available>@ > Address(es):  0.0.0.0  >7 > Installed Products > ============> > ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------7 > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE > > ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------; > CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Installed.; > CPQ AXPVMS CSWB V1.4                Full LP     Installeda; > CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V2.0                Full LP     Installedb; > CPQ AXPVMS GTK V1.2-10              Full LP     Installed ; > CPQ AXPVMS OPL V1.0-0A7             Full LP     Installedo; > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.3-1        Full LP     Installedn; > DEC AXPVMS DFU V2.7-A               Full LP     InstalledE; > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installeds; > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Installedn; > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Installed ; > DEC AXPVMS TNT V3.2-C               Full LP     Installed ; > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Installede; > HP AXPVMS SSL V1.2                  Full LP     Installed ; > JFP AXPVMS ZLIB V1.1-4              Full LP     Installedw> > ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------ >e# > Latest TCPWare 5.6 patch applied.a. > All relevant OpenVMS & CSWB patches applied. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:00:06 -0500r? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> % Subject: VMS Compatible parts blowoutK: Message-ID: <me6Kd.97936$zy6.56811@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  E All the following parts are in large quantity in stock either here ino/ Savannah GA USA or our warehouse in Brighton UKl    * KZPBA-CA UW SCSI Controller $50 each (USA). KZPBA-CB UW Differential Controller $150 (USA)  A Permedia 2 8MB PCI Graphics card (functionally same as ELSA) $129h  * Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz  $250 (US and UK) No License Memory or Diski  % Alphaserver DS10L Parts  (USA and UK)S CPU Board 466 $125 Power Supply $50 PCI 1 Slot Riser $50 Memory Riser (Pair) $35e Fan and Switch/LED Assy $35l  : Alphaserver DS10 Main logic boards 466Mhz (US and UK) $1993 Alphaserver DS10 main Logic Boards 617Mhz (US) $599i  1 Alpha PWS500au Base system 128MB Memory $299 (US) " 128MB Memory Kit for PWS $49 (USA)    ! 9GB UW SCSI 10KRPM Disk $65 (USA)>  > DS-RZ1FB-VW 36GB 7200RPM Storageworks DIsk blue SBB $199 (USA)  @ We can ship these via  Mail anywhere the US/UK government allowsK Please allow 2-3 weeks for delivery as we only do 2  USA mail runs per week # and 1 mail run per week from the UK   
 Also in stocka   GS160 Parts   2 B4150-AA Memory Carrier GS80/GS160/GS320  $299 USA* 2GB Memory Kit for GS80/160/320  $1099 USA+ B4125-AA 731Mhz CPU New no license $299 USA     0 ________________________________________________ David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Mobile: 912 447 6622 X251- Fax: 912 201 0402a Email: dbturner@icusc.com2 Web: http://www.islandco.com0 ________________________________________________   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 01:30:52 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.ukd# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMSgB Message-ID: <1106818252.849990.74310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  B > OK, do DTWM doesn't share lineage with the old TWM then ? Out of5 > curiosity, what is different between DTWM and MWM ?e >   D DTWM is the Desktop Workspace Manager. The window management code isG mostly the same as that for MWM but there is also the code for handling>G the multiple workspaces and therefore selecting which windows are seen,n# depending on the current workspace.V  G The XUI window manager (DECW$WINMGR) is a legacy window manager used asaA an alternative to MWM with the traditional desktop. It has a veryA different look and feel to MWM.t   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 04:55:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMS 3 Message-ID: <AF9V8MGNteWH@eisner.encompasserve.org>T  d In article <1106818252.849990.74310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk writes:C >> OK, do DTWM doesn't share lineage with the old TWM then ? Out ofg6 >> curiosity, what is different between DTWM and MWM ? >> > F > DTWM is the Desktop Workspace Manager. The window management code isI > mostly the same as that for MWM but there is also the code for handlinguI > the multiple workspaces and therefore selecting which windows are seen, % > depending on the current workspace.  > I > The XUI window manager (DECW$WINMGR) is a legacy window manager used as:C > an alternative to MWM with the traditional desktop. It has a veryD! > different look and feel to MWM.   @ But the XUI window manager is still the only one on VAX, right ?   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jan 2005 11:09:42 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch>s# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMS 0 Message-ID: <slrncvhivm.1en.thierry@MARS.Family>  = On 2005-01-27, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:lf > In article <1106818252.849990.74310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk writes:D >>> OK, do DTWM doesn't share lineage with the old TWM then ? Out of7 >>> curiosity, what is different between DTWM and MWM ?o >>>h >> tG >> DTWM is the Desktop Workspace Manager. The window management code istJ >> mostly the same as that for MWM but there is also the code for handlingJ >> the multiple workspaces and therefore selecting which windows are seen,& >> depending on the current workspace. >> eJ >> The XUI window manager (DECW$WINMGR) is a legacy window manager used asD >> an alternative to MWM with the traditional desktop. It has a very" >> different look and feel to MWM. > B > But the XUI window manager is still the only one on VAX, right ?  O I installed CTWM on my VAXstation without any problems... it's quite nice, witheI multiple desktops and all, and I would recommend it to everybody having ay desktop on a vax!o   Thierry    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 06:26:28 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uki# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMSaB Message-ID: <1106835988.449902.23920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  B > But the XUI window manager is still the only one on VAX, right ?   No.o  G On VAX the norm is MWM and the XUI Window Manager is an alternative youoD can set up in your session manager. On Alpha there is DTWM, MWM, andF the XUI Window manager but you use DTWM if and only if you use the New Desktop.  F As Thierry says, you can use your own window manager instead of one of  those supplied with DECwindows.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:43:32 +0000 (UTC)o- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)e# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMS . Message-ID: <ctb273$hs3$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes in article <xAXJd.6703$o06.6652@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:36:29 GMT:G >Sorry, maybe I'm touchy since you can't seem to ask anything without an >complaint,u >real or imagined.  / I don't think JF was complaining, just curious.a  ; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message ' >news:41F80E0E.C39DC908@teksavvy.com...sC >> OK, do DTWM doesn't share lineage with the old TWM then ? Out ofn6 >> curiosity, what is different between DTWM and MWM ?  K The T in TWM stands for "tiny", and in DTWM it stands for "top", so I don't ! think there's any common lineage.s  H I used TWM a little because it's the only thing that we could get to runJ with the VNC viewer Java applet.  MWM and everything else we tried crashedH the applet.  We decided that a full-featured WM was important, so now we0 just use native viewers instead of the applet.    0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:15:39 GMTc* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com># Subject: Re: Window managers on VMSo2 Message-ID: <Ls8Kd.6737$xx6.4351@news.cpqcorp.net>   We really have XUI on Alpha?  , <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1106835988.449902.23920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >0D > > But the XUI window manager is still the only one on VAX, right ? >g > No.S >sI > On VAX the norm is MWM and the XUI Window Manager is an alternative youeF > can set up in your session manager. On Alpha there is DTWM, MWM, andH > the XUI Window manager but you use DTWM if and only if you use the New
 > Desktop. >yH > As Thierry says, you can use your own window manager instead of one of! > those supplied with DECwindows.- >a > Martin Kirby >o   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 08:49:07 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.ukp# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMStC Message-ID: <1106844547.808962.306850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>-   FredK wrote: > We really have XUI on Alpha?   Yes, this beasty:U  % $ dir sys$system:decw$winmgr.exe/daten   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]t, DECW$WINMGR.EXE;1    16-NOV-2004 00:39:18.68   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 11:57:17 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMSu3 Message-ID: <UEoj4B+lgXZj@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  d In article <1106835988.449902.23920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk writes: > C >> But the XUI window manager is still the only one on VAX, right ?n >  > No.  > I > On VAX the norm is MWM and the XUI Window Manager is an alternative yousF > can set up in your session manager. On Alpha there is DTWM, MWM, andH > the XUI Window manager but you use DTWM if and only if you use the New
 > Desktop. > H > As Thierry says, you can use your own window manager instead of one of" > those supplied with DECwindows.   C And if you want to really get _ancient_ on the VAX, you can use VAXsB Workstation Software (VWS).  I think Touch Technology still has it0 available, as they have a listing for it here...  # http://www.ttinet.com/products.htmlh   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.054 ************************