0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 55      Contents:% Re: ANAL/MEDIA/EXER on a modern disk?  Re: c++ compiler% Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing 0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? Re: DEC Keyboard Question  Re: DEC Keyboard Question 8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA2 Re: DVE crash (was: Re: Q: Experience with HBMM ?)
 INPSMB errors  Re: INPSMB errors 6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: PDFs for HP C docs Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIP) Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ Apache P Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impP Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installedbase is impo= SDSU_AskLib (VAX-106) or VAX Library Collection 3 (VAX-LIB-3)  VMS CVS client with ssh  Re: Window managers on VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 13:30:00 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow). Subject: Re: ANAL/MEDIA/EXER on a modern disk?3 Message-ID: <8Ad1utk9Xiom@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <9o8mc2-34f.ln1@dadsys2.fuller.com>, Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> writes: 
 > Start with:  > - >         $ INIT/ERASE/HIGHWATER_MARKING dev:  >  > Then,  > E >         $ MCR SYSGEN CREATE dev:[00000]filename0001.typ/SIZE=nnnnnn  > L > Repeat the SYSGEN CREATE until the disk is full.  This should exercise the > disk for writing.  >  > Then:  >  >         $ ANA/DISK/READ dev: > N > To read each of the files previously created.  If you want to really beat upK > the disk, start up several of the ANA/DISK/READ commands, spaced a couple 9 > minutes apart (in batch, I suppose).  Repeat as needed.  > J > Let that cook for a day.  If the disk survives, then it's probably good. > I > I've a command procedure that does something like that, but it's not at L > hand.  Besides, an old VMS hand like you should be able to whip one out in > a few minutes.  # That was pretty much my "Plan B"...   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible3         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:28:53 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: c++ compiler B Message-ID: <41f932e6$0$18564$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   John GALLET wrote:   > Hi there,  > M > I spent my whole day googling and ftp-ing on various sites with no results  ! > so I turn to Usenet for advice.  >    Hi John,  ! have you seen this thread in COV?    GCC for OpenVMS/VAX?U http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/4b5c627029f54f8d   E It appears a couple people are cooperating on getting a GCC 3.x port  C done. I haven't found any new info or links on GCC since the above  I thread. In the thread's discussion it is mentioned that ACT probably has  D a recent port of GCC to OpenVMS, which they need to port their GNAT H (ADA) compiler to OpenVMS. If I had an urgent need for the GCC, I would  try asking there...   ' http://www.gnat.com/gnatpro_summary.php   L > My needs : to compile (port if necessary, this I can do) QuickFix library L > to VMS (http://www.quickfixengine.org/ for anyone interested in financial < > information exchange Fix protocol). This is a C++ library. > = > Situation : VMS 7.1 (so GNV not an option, min req is 7.3). L > Installed compiler : CC only, no CXX available. No idea where any install K > CDs can be, no idea who can install the license for CXX even if they are  5 > found/downloaded. I am clearly not up to that task.  > K > Being of unix breed, I turned to GCC. I found many references to "gnu on  G > vms" but neither vms.gnu.org nor http://vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu/ respond.    H Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine will show you how the site looked when it ' was last updated back on June 02, 2003. ( http://web.archive.org/web/*/vms.gnu.org or on Apr 04, 2003. 7 http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu/    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:16:37 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-BalancingB Message-ID: <1106852745.069cbbbd7b0fe10c1e1f110c26ebddcc@teranews>   Sideline question:  A I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not H routable. It has been mentioned in this thread that going IP would allowC one to use bootp to load software on new IP based terminal servers.    Is bootp really routable ?    D I know that DHCP is inherently unroutable, but that many routers andH DHCP servers support extensions that allow some routing to be done (with% the router acting as a proxy client).   H Must a device have a full IP stack up and configured before it can issue a bootp request ?    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 16:32:47 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing3 Message-ID: <n7SQsh+XcsEP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <hRfV27u$6pzA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: L > In article <ct8cl1$176$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  C >> For DECNET Phase V over TCPIP the ports are TCP 102  and TCP 399  > < >    I think it's Multinet that does Phase IV over port 700.  K I believe Multinet does not do Phase IV over IP, but that Process Software, J the vendor of Multinet, has a separate product that does Phase IV over IP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:59:51 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing+ Message-ID: <41F9AAA7.19367E0C@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Sideline question: > C > I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not  > routable.   C Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you  trying to say?  @ > It has been mentioned in this thread that going IP would allowE > one to use bootp to load software on new IP based terminal servers.   . Assuming the device's firmware supports bootp.   > Is bootp really routable ?  + Hhmmm... never really gave it much thought.   F > I know that DHCP is inherently unroutable, but that many routers andJ > DHCP servers support extensions that allow some routing to be done (with' > the router acting as a proxy client).  > J > Must a device have a full IP stack up and configured before it can issue > a bootp request ?   B Some Alphas support TCP/IP in SRM. Dunno what that says, but seems% interesting in light of the question.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:49:24 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing+ Message-ID: <41F9A834.F679E3E3@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > s > In article <hRfV27u$6pzA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: N > > In article <ct8cl1$176$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > E > >> For DECNET Phase V over TCPIP the ports are TCP 102  and TCP 399  > > > > >    I think it's Multinet that does Phase IV over port 700. > M > I believe Multinet does not do Phase IV over IP, but that Process Software, L > the vendor of Multinet, has a separate product that does Phase IV over IP.  ; Yes - Multinet *DOES* do Phase-IV over IP. You set it up as - point-to-point links. See the on-line doc.'s.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:56:16 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing+ Message-ID: <41F9A9D0.4EA03EDD@comcast.net>    Allan Hathaway wrote:  >  > Hallo! > G > We are using a cluster plus a further OpenVMS computer, at the moment F > with DECNET and LAT switched on. In the future we have been told, weF > will not be able to use DECNET (because of changes to the networking@ > cabling in the company - something to do with DECNET cannot do > routing).   D In correct refer to the Cisco documentation for how to set up DECnetC routing. Genuine DECnet documentation can also be found on the web.   * > What consequences will that have for us?C > 1. Is it true, that I then cannot use LAT but must use TCP/IP and # > TELNET for all interactive users?   ? Be careful not to confuse LAT and DECnet - they're two separate G protocols. If I cna find a link to a list of ethernet packet types, you  see this for yourself.  E > 2. I cannot copy between the cluster and the other OpenVMS computer / > with $COPY - I will have to use FTP. Correct?    Sort of. See HELP COPY /FTP.  > > 3. All Printers with LATSYM must be changed to TELNET-Queues   ...or LPD queues, depending.  F > 4. Various Devices eg. DECServer 200 will not work any more, because& > they need to download their software  G If transparent bridging is disabled, MOP (another non-routable protocol 9 often confused with DECnet) cannot traverse router links.   H DECserver-200 also does not do TCP/IP, AFAIK, but I could be wrong aboutB that. Later DECservers do (DECserver-300, -700, -90TL, -90M, -900, etc.).  $ > 5. What happens to Load-Balancing?  D It becomes a DNS function. Too complicated to talk about here in any detail.    > Anything else?  C Yes: remind your network people that IS does not exist to serve the F network, the network exists to serve IS, and if the network people are5 unwilling to serve the needs of IS, well, guess what?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 22:34:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing3 Message-ID: <7ZrZuwgVzNuK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41F9AAA7.19367E0C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:  >>   >> Sideline question:  >>  D >> I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not >> routable. > E > Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you  > trying to say?  < No.  Both TCP/IP and DECnet run just fine over serial lines. CSMA/CD is not an assumption.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:17:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-BalancingB Message-ID: <1106888782.cc43dc3634a4910bb711e41664f94b46@teranews>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:G > > Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you  > > trying to say? > > > No.  Both TCP/IP and DECnet run just fine over serial lines. > CSMA/CD is not an assumption.   F Ok, let me rephrase it. LAT and MOP use ethernet address (MAC) as nodeG identification for both source and destination.  Higher lever protocols F have node identification separate from transport and it is included inG the payload. So a packet can change transport type in transit and still B get to destination with the destination still knowing who sent it.  F When a router gets involved, the payload doesn't generally change, butH the ethernet packet does because a new ethernet packet is built with new; ethernet from/to adresses and sent on another ethernet lan.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:57:37 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia @ Message-ID: <41f939a2$0$806$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   John Smith wrote:    > Graham Burley wrote: >  >>Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> >>8 >>>   Stable version               8.2 (current release) >>F >>     Stable version               Too many to list (current is best) >  >  >  > Stable version:    ALL >  >    OK, how about...  5       Stable version               All (current V8.2)     E I have no idea what I could get away with, but I will try. I believe  H Wiki has editors who check the updates. I think their idea of a "stable H version" will be different than what VMS people think when they see the  words.   Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:44:00 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia , Message-ID: <35sunuF4kmuj7U2@individual.net>  - On 2005-01-26 02:06, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:    > [...]  >  > *OS Name*			_OpenVMS_  >  > *General*  >  > [...]  > * >    Stable version		8.2 (current release)  B V 5.5-2* (VAX), 6.2* (VAX and Alpha), 7.3 (VAX), 7.3-2 (Alpha) areG "landing zones" and still supported (*="Prior Version Support" Contract  needed).   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:12:11 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 2 Message-ID: <41F9592B.3030106@applied-synergy.com>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > OK, how about... > 6 >      Stable version               All (current V8.2) >  > G > I have no idea what I could get away with, but I will try. I believe  J > Wiki has editors who check the updates. I think their idea of a "stable J > version" will be different than what VMS people think when they see the  > words.  ? Honestly, there have been releases of VMS which were less than  + wonderfull.  (Anyone remember 5.0 and 5.1?)   D My personal list of stable versions is pretty much the last version E before a major number change:  4.7, 5.5-2, 6.2, 7.3(VAX) 7.3-2(Alpha)    --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:24:59 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia B Message-ID: <1106860436.8648a4ecb1006a08a59643f592cc66fa@teranews>   Michael Unger wrote:D > V 5.5-2* (VAX), 6.2* (VAX and Alpha), 7.3 (VAX), 7.3-2 (Alpha) areI > "landing zones" and still supported (*="Prior Version Support" Contract 
 > needed).  F I've always been puzzled as to why 7.2-1 wasn't the landing zone. (7.3> removed functionality such as display postscript), so for someG customers, they are stuck at 7.2, so shoudln't this have been a landing  zone ?)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:32:20 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 8 Message-ID: <4auiv05mm6esla5ie5a1b9n06cvgs1sq62@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:24:59 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >Michael Unger wrote: E >> V 5.5-2* (VAX), 6.2* (VAX and Alpha), 7.3 (VAX), 7.3-2 (Alpha) are J >> "landing zones" and still supported (*="Prior Version Support" Contract >> needed).  > G >I've always been puzzled as to why 7.2-1 wasn't the landing zone. (7.3 ? >removed functionality such as display postscript), so for some H >customers, they are stuck at 7.2, so shoudln't this have been a landing >zone ?)  G The landing zones seem to be the last point release of a major version, I that's probably why.  I expect these are easier to bug-fix should that be  needed and possible.   --  5 Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:54:55 GMT + From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia ? Message-ID: <z3gKd.137561$K7.114881@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   = "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message < news:41f6ed35$0$17617$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net... > Peter Sjoberg wrote: > > I'm missing one great OS on < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_systems$ > > is it anyone who like to add it? > >  <SNIP> > = > Regardless of who makes the update to Wiki, I would suggest A > we discuss in COV what the correct entries to the Tables should D > be. To get us started, I've taken a first crack at filling out the > tables...  >  <SNIP> >   K I just had a look at the page ... a better presented entry than some of the 6 others [of course this *isn't* a biased viewpoint ;)].  F Further browsing the wikipedia, I happened across the following entry:  ;     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems   J In the spirit of current, *positive* efforts, not to mention ensuring moreI persons are made aware of OpenVMS and its features, I thought it might be  worth making an entry.  K I've made a tentative start, utilising the style Keith used in this thread, G but thought it best to post the [very incomplete] effort and obtain COV I expertise and feedback as I wasn't sure about the answers for some of the  entries.  4 Also, some issues I think worth considering include:  , * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ?2 * Access Control - Include / discuss UIC-based and    ACL-based ?  E I hope this starts an interesting and fruitful branch off the current  thread.    Cheers,   
 Anthony Borla   : ----------------------------------------------------------  
 *File system* ?   Creator _Digital Equipment Corporation (now Hewlett Packard)_ %   Original Operating system _OpenVMS_    ODS-2    *Limits*E   Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_ H   Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_2   Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_   Maximum file size _..._    Maximum volume size _..._   
 *Features*   File type metadata _FDL_   Stores file owner _..._    POSIX file permissions _..._   Access control lists _Yes_   Hard Links _..._   Soft Links _..._+   Alternate data stream/resource fork _..._    Journaling _Yes_  : ----------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:36:49 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia B Message-ID: <1106875531.f173087640a27bb90ef5896fafe9f214@teranews>   Anthony Borla wrote:= >     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems . > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ?  E I'd say ODS-5 since it is the new one. Does ODS-2 have anything in it B that ODS-5 can't do ? If not, then I'd list ODS-5's features only.   > *File system* A >   Creator _Digital Equipment Corporation (now Hewlett Packard)_ ' >   Original Operating system _OpenVMS_   J I'd remove HP from it. The create was DEC. And the original OS was VMS :-)  
 > *Limits*G >   Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_ J >   Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_4 >   Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_ >   Maximum file size _..._  >   Maximum volume size _..._    I'd list the ODS5 parameters.   G Total filename/type max is 236 chars.  Filename max is 255, filetype is  255, version is 6.2 Max pathname lenght is listed as 4096. But adding:   Node: 59
 Device: 64	 Root: 512  Directory: 512
 Filename: 255 
 Filetype: 255 I Version: 7 characters   ( ";" 5 digits and optioonal use of the "-" sign)   A This adds up to: 1664 maximum for a full file name specification.    (source  	Guide to OpenVMS File
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 	VMS 7.3-1 )   D I suspect that the 4096 is done to allow foreign file specification.   >   File type metadata _FDL_  L There is also the RMS semantic flag which add stuff such as DDIF attributes.   >   Stores file owner _..._    YES   - >   Alternate data stream/resource fork _..._    NO   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:06:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? B Message-ID: <1106855734.9e2c8e14de16d66b0971c0f4ff3339b8@teranews>   Keith Cayemberg wrote:+ > http://www.decedi.com/product/default.asp H > Digital GlobalSoft acquired the ownership rights for the EDI software,% > DEC/EDI from Compaq on May 1, 2001.   G Ahhh, thanks. That explains why Compaq/HP don't talk about it. If it is G in private hands and still developped a few years after they bought it, G then it is a good sign. There were many products which Palmer gave away ? but which never really panned out in private hands (such as CDA  converters for instance).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:25:25 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? B Message-ID: <41f94e35$0$18554$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > + >>http://www.decedi.com/product/default.asp H >>Digital GlobalSoft acquired the ownership rights for the EDI software,% >>DEC/EDI from Compaq on May 1, 2001.  >  > I > Ahhh, thanks. That explains why Compaq/HP don't talk about it. If it is I > in private hands and still developped a few years after they bought it, I > then it is a good sign. There were many products which Palmer gave away A > but which never really panned out in private hands (such as CDA  > converters for instance).   H Actually, HP decided to buy Digital GlobalSoft back again, so I suppose G DEC/EDI really belongs to HP now. The development and support probably  6 remains in the same hands as under Digital GlobalSoft.  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12949 < http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/31/stories/2004033103811800.htm  G Contrary to the fears expressed in the above articles, it appears that  H the Digital Globalsoft name has been kept, and the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo  as well.  J Here are a few more places where the Digital Name or Logo have survived...   http://www.dec-team.de/ # http://www.dec-team.de/DEC-team.htm  http://www.digecorp.com/! http://www.digital-equipment.com/  http://www.dnpg.com/ http://www.bh.com/digitalpress/ ' http://www.decedi.com/about/default.asp    Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:32:51 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? @ Message-ID: <41f94ff3$0$822$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Keith Cayemberg wrote:  >>- >>> http://www.decedi.com/product/default.asp J >>> Digital GlobalSoft acquired the ownership rights for the EDI software,' >>> DEC/EDI from Compaq on May 1, 2001.  >> >> >>J >> Ahhh, thanks. That explains why Compaq/HP don't talk about it. If it isJ >> in private hands and still developped a few years after they bought it,J >> then it is a good sign. There were many products which Palmer gave awayB >> but which never really panned out in private hands (such as CDA >> converters for instance). >  > J > Actually, HP decided to buy Digital GlobalSoft back again, so I suppose I > DEC/EDI really belongs to HP now. The development and support probably  8 > remains in the same hands as under Digital GlobalSoft. > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12949 > > http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/31/stories/2004033103811800.htm > I > Contrary to the fears expressed in the above articles, it appears that  J > the Digital Globalsoft name has been kept, and the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo 
 > as well. > L > Here are a few more places where the Digital Name or Logo have survived... >  > http://www.dec-team.de/ % > http://www.dec-team.de/DEC-team.htm  > http://www.digecorp.com/# > http://www.digital-equipment.com/  > http://www.dnpg.com/! > http://www.bh.com/digitalpress/ ) > http://www.decedi.com/about/default.asp  > 	 > Cheers!  >  > K.C. >    OOPS!   4 I was looking at the wrong URL.  If you look here...% http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/index.htm ? you will see that the name of Digital GlobalSoft has changed to # Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft Limited.   
 Oh well...   K.C.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 13:20:52 -0800' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? C Message-ID: <1106860852.080770.168380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Keith Cayemberg wrote:6 > I was looking at the wrong URL.  If you look here...' > http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/index.htm   F So, try to find the Products page from there without going to the SiteF map or using search. Whoever *converted* the menu bar to the wonderfulC new HP format seems to have forgotten something. Anyway, it's here:   5 <  http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/products/landing.htm >   B That page is nowhere near as much fun as my very favorite most fun webpage which of course is:   A <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm >   C I like clicking on _Printable_version_ link in the bottom frame and G clicking on the menu bar in the top frame and expanding and contracting @ the list stuff in the left center frame. I wonder what all thoseD colored things are in the right center frame though? They aren't anyF fun because they don't do anything when you click on them, and I don'tF think they say anything important because if they did, whoever createdE this page would surely have wanted us to read them, and wouldn't have B taken up darn near the whole page with all those really fun clicky things, no?   	 :-);-):-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:20:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? B Message-ID: <1106863745.89304cbc58b3b75ab0ed359e9af9b0b7@teranews>   DL Phillips wrote:7 > <  http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/products/landing.htm >   C which eventually leads to the http:/decedi.com site which leads to:     * Where you find the following announcement: ##  13 September, 2002 H                                                                         G                     Windows based EDI solution from Digital GlobalSoft  B  A new Windows based EDI solution named TradEz will be released by Digital GlobalSoft on   September 24th, 2002. more  ##  M Unfortunatly, the "more" is broken leading to some Microsoft VB script error.    However, on page: 5 http://www.decedi.com/product/prod_decedi_openvms.asp   D It meantions that 4.0 is the latest release, qualified for VMS 7.2-1F (which is not THAT old), and makes use of ICC for intra cluster comms,A which means that some work was done to restructure the product in  "recent times".   8 Does anyone remember at what year ICC became available ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:13:48 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? , Message-ID: <IJGdnSB68LEC-mTcRVn-ig@igs.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> Keith Cayemberg wrote: >>> . >>>> http://www.decedi.com/product/default.aspA >>>> Digital GlobalSoft acquired the ownership rights for the EDI 2 >>>> software, DEC/EDI from Compaq on May 1, 2001. >>>  >>>  >>> E >>> Ahhh, thanks. That explains why Compaq/HP don't talk about it. If F >>> it is in private hands and still developped a few years after theyE >>> bought it, then it is a good sign. There were many products which G >>> Palmer gave away but which never really panned out in private hands * >>> (such as CDA converters for instance). >> >>B >> Actually, HP decided to buy Digital GlobalSoft back again, so I@ >> suppose DEC/EDI really belongs to HP now. The development and> >> support probably remains in the same hands as under Digital >> GlobalSoft. >>, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12949? >> http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/31/stories/2004033103811800.htm  >>D >> Contrary to the fears expressed in the above articles, it appears: >> that the Digital Globalsoft name has been kept, and the  >> |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo as well. >>A >> Here are a few more places where the Digital Name or Logo have  >> survived... >> >> http://www.dec-team.de/& >> http://www.dec-team.de/DEC-team.htm >> http://www.digecorp.com/ $ >> http://www.digital-equipment.com/ >> http://www.dnpg.com/ " >> http://www.bh.com/digitalpress/* >> http://www.decedi.com/about/default.asp >>
 >> Cheers! >> >> K.C.  >> >  > OOPS!  > 6 > I was looking at the wrong URL.  If you look here...' > http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/index.htm A > you will see that the name of Digital GlobalSoft has changed to % > Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft Limited.     G http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/aboutus/downloads/Annual-Report-2003-04.pdf   L The Company augmented its employee strength from 2,490 employees as on March! 31, 2003 to 5,258 employees as on   G March 31, 2004, representing a 111% growth. Of these additions 64% were , hired in the Digital Contact Center business  8 while 36% formed part of the Software services business.    J http://www.hpglobalsoft.com/digital_photos.pps   bet the building logo has changed....too bad.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 18:04:33 -0800' From: "Linwood" <Ferguson@chaslevy.com> ' Subject: Re: DEC EDI - anyone using it? C Message-ID: <1106874899.810730.119870@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:E > As I recall Linwood Ferguson on DECUServe has used it, but I am not  sure > he follows comp.os.vms.  > C I rarely do follow comp.os.vms, but was pointed to this.  I see you E have lots more recent data, but just to be complete yes, I did use it + for probably 6-8 years or so, last in 1998.   D I found it reliable and compete, but thought it was poor in terms ofD efficency; we had a pretty hefty Alpha cluster and were running onlyG (vague memory here) maybe 10,000 transactions a week, yet it ate up I/O D and CPU time incredibly.  But it worked reliably, which was the key.  E I did (at the time, somewhat long ago) find DEC FAR more of a pain to D deal with concerning DEC EDI than any other product (been a Dec userE since 1983 too).  Seemed every new trading partner I had to send them D money, every change required consultants to come do magic stuff they# wouldn't provide documentation for.    But it worked.  C New company, decided to go the PC route with Sterling Gentran on NT F (now W2K3).  Been both happier and sader.  It's awfully reliable as PCE products go, but doesn't quite hit the mark DEC EDI had.  Never loose D things, but occasionally have mystery hangs and processes disappear.C Not often, but very windows-ish.  On the other hand it is MUCH moreSG easy to use, audits are simpler and easier to find, the database schemaeC is better documented so doing your own reporting was easier, and itaE integreated with other systems easier.  And dirt cheap in comparison.LC And it was much faster on cheaper hardware (even allowing for newernB hardware).   I doubt however it would scale as large (though we'reF probably running 15,000 transactions worth almost a million line itemsG a week through it, and were doing that on an old dual Pentium III about  500mhz).  G All in all I liked DEC EDI, but I think on balance am glad to be rid ofn it.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:43:14 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question+ Message-ID: <ctbqq2$vck$1@news01.intel.com>    FredK wrote:
 [big snip]C > I believe it was discontinued because of the low demand.  It was eG > replaced by the LK411 which had no keyclick/bell, and looked exactly  G > like a LK401 and did not have the fancy mode switching capabilities. rE > The generations of KB following it all used the same program logic,nG > but were different colors, makers, cheaper, etc.  The current KB when I > connected to a dongle functions exactly like an LK411, and has a nativeUE > USB connector.  Inretrospect, we probably could have chosen the USBbH > codes for the extra keys better to be more compatable with the PC (but# > even then it would be imperfect).s [...]e  D      And in follow-up, I had promised to post my experience with theF LK463 keyboard connected via USB, under Windows XP Professional (don't you just _love_ that name?).  ?      When the LK463 is connected directly to the USB port on my-D IBM T41 laptop, KEA!340 Version 5.10j (Build 3470) sees all the keysD EXCEPT "Help" and "Do" (and perhaps the Left-Alt key, I didn't writeC everything down).  Additionally, under Exceed Version: 9.0.0.0 MANYsG of the keys go completely unrecognized, both in the top row of functione" keys, and on the numeric keypad...  B      Given the different response of KEA!340 and Exceed, it may beA the lack of seeing all the keys is a function of the application,y@ rather than the Windows USB driver.  If I get a chance, I'll try< the same experiment with newer versions of those products...   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldt! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:10:59 -0800d, From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question* Message-ID: <ctbse3$hb$1@news01.intel.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:n  \ > In article <ct94qj$n7v$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: >  >>Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >> >>a >>>In article <tTNJd.6603$wy5.240@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >> >>[...]& >>M >>>>VMS will poll the KB when the driver is reset to force a powerup sequencevE >>>>as well.  But if no KB is there, the sequence may never complete.h >>>w >>>dM >>>So if I could tell the KVM to send 0xAA to the Alpha this should force thes+ >>>Alpha to start the keyboard negotiation?- >>A >>Is that possible?  Does the Rose ServeView+ that you've writtenb? >>about allow you to program a sequence to be sent to the host?g >  > Q > I don't know but I sent an e-mail to Rose Electronics to ask just that. The KVMtN > has a key combination to "reset" the mouse and there is one send some "zero"M > code. So it might be possible that there are others. I'll let you know what  > they will tell me.  A      For anyone still following this thread, there is currently amA Rose 4-port ServeView Pro listed on eBay (US) for $15, apparentlypC unused, as in still in the original box.  Beware, however, that the C cables can be quite expensive...they are Rose proprietary with DB25'C connectors on the switch side.  Those can be found on eBay as well,f? and other posts have mentioned Black Box as a source of cables.l  B      For myself, given John Malmberg's last post, I'm going to try this new Belkin "thing-y". :-)   	-Kenr -- m6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldi! D1C Automation VMS System Supportw" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 20:25:21 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USAr3 Message-ID: <$L4qJZ$4iTp5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050126114651.02a22f20@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:fG > Tell you what: the one item I really wanted was the solid cherry RL01"L > drive that used to be in the lobby of CX01 (Colorado Springs) in the earlyK > 1980's.  The whole drive cabinet was beautifully-finished cherry wood.  IdJ > was told it was the (or an) original prototype of the drive, but I don't? > know how true that was.  You ought to remember that one, Bob!m  J A couple email exchanges with DanO got me to dig through some photos of myH meager computer collection, and put them up where everyone can see them.J With the exception of the PDP-8 and PDP-15 that are inthe Smithsonian, andJ the picture of Grace Hopper in front of a rack of RK05s from the Navy, theK rest of this stuff is mine. Note in the FlipChip photo the wire attached toeL one board: a genuine nanosecond given to me by Grace Hopper when I first met her in 1975.  8 http://www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/photos/computers/  D I'll get some better photos and show more of my toys when I get that proverbial "Round Tuit"...  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"e& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfiL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution,:K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom ands'         the security of all Americans. s   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 20:44:08 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n; Subject: Re: DVE crash (was: Re: Q: Experience with HBMM ?)C3 Message-ID: <cx+CBT4Or23F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <41f2e8e0$0$13394$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:v: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:4XD$CwWKnVGY@eisner.encompasserve.org....H >> In article <41f2a608$0$13381$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels"+ > <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:c >> >> >K >> > Had a crash on that cluster last night HBMM worked great (although theC > crashn, >> > was with DVE, another of Rob's areas :) >> > >>; >> Could you please provide details about your "DVE" crash?n >>+ >> Were you expanding a volume at the time?e2 >> VMS level, shadow patch level, F11x patch level >>0 >> Any and all detail would be much appreciated. >>
 >> Thanks, >> >> Rob > K > VMS 7.3-2, the ShadowSet in question was two members, members were on twod > different EVA's. > J > I would guess the patches of interest would be shadowing and fibre_scsi,K > will mail you details on Monday, can't really post too much in the way ofu > specific configs here. > K > One node crashed, with 10 minutes of the DVE, I guess when the volume wassK > next accessed. Only had a very quick look at the dump (as it wasn't me ond? > call, although I seem to get called for these things anyhow).  > N > The bugcheck was mentioning going past the end of the bitmap and the processE > on the CPU that called out the crash had a open busy channel to the K > shadowset that had been expanded. As I mentioned, I only had a very quickrM > look at the dump and I prefer not to be conclusive at this point, but given N > those points and the timing of the DVE not long before, it would be a pretty > safe bet.f > L > Will mail you on Monday with more details and anything else I can get from > the dump.2 >   % 	Are you able to provide any details?s   				Robc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:54:49 -0800A& From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: INPSMB errors< Message-ID: <dundas-2701051554490001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  H I'm working on a card reader interface for SIMH.  The interface works inJ most instances, however I'm having trouble with one situation and need VMSF help.  I'm submtting a batch job via the card reader.  The job is readI correctly (I think) and a corresponding INPBATCH.COM created in the logintI directory.  However the job does not execute correctly; instead I receive / the following messages on the operator console:I  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.13  %%%%%%%%%%%  Message from user SYSTEM on SIMHD %INPSMB-E-JOBCARD, job beginning '$ JOB SYSTEM/LOG=JOHN/KEEP/NOTIFY'   $ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.15  %%%%%%%%%%%  Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH. %INPSMB-E-ENTFIL, error entering file on queue   $ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.16  %%%%%%%%%%%  Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH4 -JBC-E-NOCMKRNL, operation requires CMKRNL privilege  F Any hints here?  The queue manager is running.  The SYS$BATCH queue isH running.  Not sure where else to look.  The job itself is very simple, $1 SHOW TIME, followed by $ SHOW SYSTEM, then $ EOD.g   All ideas appreciated.   Thanks,    John   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:52:44 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>E Subject: Re: INPSMB errorsB Message-ID: <1106872888.8de934f6c59928bb87460497ebc6b6fb@teranews>   John Dundas wrote:F > %INPSMB-E-JOBCARD, job beginning '$ JOB SYSTEM/LOG=JOHN/KEEP/NOTIFY'  : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.16  %%%%%%%%%%%" > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH6 > -JBC-E-NOCMKRNL, operation requires CMKRNL privilege  G Not sure how the input symbiont runs. But because it can submit jobs onaF behalf of  different users (performing the equivalent of SUBMIT/USER),. it would need CMKRNL to perform that function.  D Not sure how the card reader interface works though. Is it a process, that runs, listening to that hardware port ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:11:27 -0500V# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clusteringA, Message-ID: <l4udnUsqa9h_oWTcRVn-2w@igs.net>   Dale Dellutri wrote:H > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:48:19 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >> Dale Dellutri wrote:y@ >>> In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system> >>> at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my? >>> local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMS @ >>> clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site >>> connections. >>>0A >>> For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering.a? >>> I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only usingt? >>> some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using atB >>> router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups> >>> to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,6 >>> restore the backups on the remote site, and so on. >>> @ >>> Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or2 >>> better solutions without using VMS clustering? >>>/B >>> I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need >>> to know the alternatives.l >e% >> Exactly what do you need to synch?.C >> If you are trying to synch individual users files then there areeF >> different solutions open to you vs. trying to keep two instances of5 >> Oracle transaction data synchronized, for example.: >: >> More details please.B >nC > Currently, I'm only worried about user files on three disks, eachcF > containing about 10 Gbyte, of which about 20 Mbyte changes each day.2 > So 30 Gbyte total, 60 Mbyte in changes each day.   Ok - good start.L Now some more details... do you need to capture changes in real-time or just' whole file copy at specified intervals?"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:13:52 +0000 (UTC)d. From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com>? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clusteringe, Message-ID: <ctbi20$7l3$1@reader1.panix.com>  F On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:11:27 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > Dale Dellutri wrote:J > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:48:19 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > >> Dale Dellutri wrote:EB > >>> In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system@ > >>> at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with myA > >>> local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMSAB > >>> clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site > >>> connections. > >>>HC > >>> For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering.oA > >>> I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only usingpA > >>> some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using atD > >>> router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups@ > >>> to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,8 > >>> restore the backups on the remote site, and so on. > >>>sB > >>> Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or4 > >>> better solutions without using VMS clustering? > >>>aD > >>> I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need > >>> to know the alternatives.- > >4' > >> Exactly what do you need to synch?lE > >> If you are trying to synch individual users files then there areaH > >> different solutions open to you vs. trying to keep two instances of7 > >> Oracle transaction data synchronized, for example.t > >t > >> More details please.  > > E > > Currently, I'm only worried about user files on three disks, eachiH > > containing about 10 Gbyte, of which about 20 Mbyte changes each day.4 > > So 30 Gbyte total, 60 Mbyte in changes each day.   > Ok - good start.N > Now some more details... do you need to capture changes in real-time or just) > whole file copy at specified intervals?h  @ Currently, just whole file copies.  That's why I'm thinking thatE shipping backup save sets, either hourly or daily, to the remote sitec1 are sufficient for what I've called "rough sync".o   -- e7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:17:35 -0500O# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clusteringA, Message-ID: <2eudnVE5OOQf9WTcRVn-og@igs.net>   Dale Dellutri wrote:H > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:11:27 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >> Dale Dellutri wrote: C >>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:48:19 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com>m
 >>> wrote: >>>> Dale Dellutri wrote:rB >>>>> In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system@ >>>>> at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with myA >>>>> local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMSgB >>>>> clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site >>>>> connections. >>>>> C >>>>> For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering.aA >>>>> I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only using A >>>>> some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using asD >>>>> router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups@ >>>>> to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,8 >>>>> restore the backups on the remote site, and so on. >>>>>.B >>>>> Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or4 >>>>> better solutions without using VMS clustering? >>>>>(D >>>>> I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need >>>>> to know the alternatives.h >>>c' >>>> Exactly what do you need to synch?7E >>>> If you are trying to synch individual users files then there are3H >>>> different solutions open to you vs. trying to keep two instances of7 >>>> Oracle transaction data synchronized, for example.  >>>c >>>> More details please.i >>>sE >>> Currently, I'm only worried about user files on three disks, eachcH >>> containing about 10 Gbyte, of which about 20 Mbyte changes each day.4 >>> So 30 Gbyte total, 60 Mbyte in changes each day. >  >> Ok - good start.rG >> Now some more details... do you need to capture changes in real-time 2 >> or just whole file copy at specified intervals? >cB > Currently, just whole file copies.  That's why I'm thinking thatG > shipping backup save sets, either hourly or daily, to the remote site-3 > are sufficient for what I've called "rough sync".2    H Depending how your longer term plans and the exact  nature of your data,L some sort of message queue software could be a viable option (MQ can shove a! fair amount of data in one chuck.   L Other 'homegrown' solutions could also be fine in the short term as you have pointed out.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>=? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements UpdatedbB Message-ID: <1106855516.501bf173f45903a9af604167bbcc9ab9@teranews>  ! re new roadmap dated January 2005r  , (all pages numbers refer to the PDF version)  G Page 3: it still mentions that Non-Stop fault tolerant systems based on 8 IA64 are expected in 2004. They may wish to update this.    H Page 4: The big one now is "Sales until 2006" whereas in the past it wasI "Sales until at least 2006". Page 7 mentions "sales at least until 2006".a  H Does anyone know which is which ? Has HP actually changed policy and now( set a hard "end of sales" date in 2006 ?    G Integration of VMS with opoenview is a good thing in terms of marketingiD and may make VMS more palatable to shops that are currently anti-VMSE because it is so separate from others. But I personally am not sure IoG would trust some windows program and a windows weenie who is designated.E data centre manager/operator to control a mission critical VMS system. from hiw windows box.a    F There is mention of X.25 with continued support on VAX and Alpha. Does3 this mean that IA64 systems will not support X.25 ?     B Interesting that the whole Pathworks/Advanced Servers thing may be dropped in favour of Samba.     F They mention DCPS 2.4 shipping very soon. Then 2nd half of 2005, thereA is version 8.3. Does this mean that DCPS will cease to exist as ayB separatly installed product and will become integral part of VMS ?  B The stuff planned for the future is neat. Wish it were here today. MACintosh has it NOW !  F Interesting that there is support for RTR on Tru64, but it isn't beingC ported to HP-UX., and support for Sun Solaris is being widthdrawn. aH Tru64 customers who make use of RTR might be good targets for a visit by VMS ambasssadors.m    E Lacking in the VMS roadmap is any mention of VMS versions for VAX. IS D 7.3 the last one, or is 8.2 or is it a case of a decision not having been made ?   H Also lacking in the roadmap is any mention of decwindows/motif. There isB a mention for a "secure web browser" for VMS on IA64, so one wouldH assume that xwindows will be available, on the other hand, perhaps their% truly secure web broweser is LYNX :-)   ; Still, it is strange not to see any comittment to support xe7 windows/motif and improve it and bring it up to current-@ standards/versions. They had the "guts" to explain that for someF products, varous directions are under consideration. Maybe they should> have done the same to X windows if they are studying differentE directions (Motif, Gnome, KDE etc). At least we'd know that they wereeG looking to improve/upgrade current support. Right now, it is a big voidaJ which leaves the door fully opened for them to simply pull support for it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:21:26 -0500w# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>_ Subject: Re: PDFs for HP C docs_, Message-ID: <-5idnbeDgrKnomTcRVn-hw@igs.net>   Galen wrote:
 > Z wrote: >>6 >> See:  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os73_index.html >>G >> Some PDFs are available. I usually d/l from the links in the Version 
 >> 7.3-2 tab.5 >:A > As far as C reference material goes, this page only lists the CcG > Runtime Library manual. The Language Reference Manual and Users Guide5F > are not there. Where I can find these elsewhere on HP's site for the' > VMS version of C is all HTML, no PDF.i    H If you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat try Tools-> Web Capture ->K Open Web Page  and then stuff in the url of the top-level html page for thec	 C manual.f  H By modifying the Levels and and chosing some of the checkbox options youI might be able to successfully acquire all the html pages for the C manualiI into a .pdf - it just depends on how the html pages and links withing areo
 organized.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:14:55 -05009 From: k <kdog93@cox.net>' Subject: Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIPe. Message-ID: <Q6iKd.96951$Jk5.43203@lakeread01>  > Thanks for the help.  Its fixed! Let me tell you what I found:  6     1. telnet mylinux 6000 did not work from any host.  G     2. mylinux <-> mytru64 <-> myotherlinux X traffic worked just fine e" when using the following commands:  
 	% xhost + 	% telnet mytru64B 	% export DISPLAY=mylinux:0.0  	% xlogo  H So I wasn't completely crazy because X did work from some hosts, but it : did not work from myvms and no telnet mylinux 6000 either.  F So the fix was that I found that on recent versions of linux, (Fedora : Core 3 & Suse 9.2), X starts with the following parameter:   	-nolisten tcp  I which tells the server 'not to listen' on port 6000!  Which explains why p! telnet mylinux 6000 did not work.a  ? To fix on Fedora Core 3, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and enable:h       DisallowTCP=false   C For Suse 9.2 (kde), edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers and change the line:e  / :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp -br vt7-   to  ! :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -br vt7    Then,M  1 $ set display/create/transport=tcpip/node=mylinuxC $ mcr decw$clock' XIO:  unable to open connection _WSA23:eD        after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.# X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display % %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204i   so you need:  
 	xhost +myvms    on the remote linux box.   Thanks for the help.   kt   JF Mezei wrote:q
 > k wrote: > J >>As I am unable to find an equivalent to the xauth on VMS I am suspiciousH >>that this version of Motif might be too old to communicate with recentI >>versions of linux.  There have been suggestions to run my linux Xservera3 >>without any security, e.g. X -ac as a workaround.- >  > J > 1. When you RUN DECW$CLOCK with the display set to your linux box, MotifH > is not related since the exchange between the VMS and the linux box isH > ulerly at the X protocol level. So while VMS has an antique version of" > Motif, it doesn't really matter. > I > If you can't telnet to port 6000 betwene the vms machine and the linuixhJ > box, the problem is most likely either at the tcpip level (blocked port,O > etc), or on the X server software on the linux which doesn't answer the call.  > G > Make sure that on your linux box, you have the x server listneting on 
 > port 6000.   >  > F >>FYI, I have no trouble with Tru64 5.1A <-> mylinux connection or anyH >>other linux X <-> linux Y flavors.  OpenVMS seems to be unique in this
 >>department.u >  > J > Can your VMS box open any xwindows on any of your linux boxes ? (i.e. isG > it just one box that won't allow VMS to display on it, or do you havee> > problems with the VMS host opening a window on any machine ? > E > Is there a router between your VMS host and the linux host ? Is the1% > router perhaps blocking port 6000 ?s > H > The fact that a telnet to port 6000 fails means that since it fails toE > even connect, it doesn't get far enough into the process to see anyrP > possible incompatibilities at the X level since that level doesn't even begin.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2005 17:12:28 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com2 Subject: Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ ApacheC Message-ID: <1106874748.767947.109570@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>.  E Thanks for the info. However, I had already seen that and checked it.0@ Oracle 9.2 does not use that client program. The only thing evenE resembling OCI that I can find is [ORACLE9i.bin]hsalloci.exe. I triedw< pointing the Apache OCI logical to this but it doesn't work. Thanks.  Bill   Jerry Alan Braga wrote: A > This might be your problem.  On My system I only have the 8.1.7b
 client butG > it should be the same.  Here is a sample of the my php_setup.com usedn by > apache. Hope it helps> > -- >a; > $ orauser = "sys$sysdevice:[oracle8.817.util]orauser.com"s# > $ if (f$search(orauser) .nes. "")o > $ then > $       @'orauser' > $       !eG > $       ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the OCI clientb   > shareabler > $       !o9 > $       oraclient = "ORA_ROOT:[UTIL]ORACLIENT_V817.EXE"e+ > $       if (f$search(oraclient) .nes. "")i > $       then9 > $               define/nolog apache$oci_shr 'oraclient'w > $       endif 	 > $ endif  >b' > <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote in messaged? > news:1106799065.014079.252150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...=F > > Well, I shot myself in the foot somehow. I had spent hours getting PHP G > > and CSWS to work with Oracle 9i and I must've missed a logical name C > > that I had defined because after a reboot I can't connect usingl PHP. > >wE > > PHP works fine but it just wont talk to Oracle. I remember seeinga some@ > > info in COV about pointing to the Oracle client. However, 9i doesn't. > > have any *client.exe.. > > D > > I have the ORAUSER in the login.com for the username for Apache. Canb+ > > anyone tell me what I might be missing?/ > >/ > > Here's the config: > > 
 > > VMS 7.3-1  > > CSWS (latest...2.0?) > > PHP (also latest)o > >k > > Thanks in advance. > >s > > Bill > >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:21:24 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installed base is impiB Message-ID: <1106853029.392b66dc17a9f602a0fac99d415e10af@teranews>   icerq4a@spray.se wrote:7< > I agree, I know many people who don't read c.o.v. anymore.) > JF Mezei is one of the primary reasons.   C And I know many people who don't use VMS anymore. Palmer, Curly ando Carly are the primary reasons.  E You should care far more about shops abandonning VMS alltogether thaneG people complaining about this happening all over the place and HP doingn nothing to stop it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:56 -0600n2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Promoting Open Source on VMS (Was: Why growing the VMS installedbase is impop+ Message-ID: <41F9A674.A53A6CE6@comcast.net>s   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > John Smith wrote:h > [text deleted] > >r > >nL > > (Aside: - Why is it that we never seem to hear from new customers in theL > > forums despite some measures of growth being touted at 10-15% per annum?H > > Surely more than a few of the tech people at these new customers areN > > familiar with the c.ov., encompass, Info-Vax, openvms.org forums. So where6 > > are these people, or do they really exist at all?) > G > Oh, they're out there all right.  They just don't want anything to dolH > with this forum.  The words used and the names cited vary but they addF > up to one thing: incessant whining, complaining, or insulting is notF > what they are interested in reading.  I also know several people whoI > have been involved in VMS for a long time who no longer read this forum  > for the same reasons.c  G So, its no longer acceptable to speak out publicly when your needs as am2 customer or professional person are not being met?   Gee, what does that sound like?e   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:01:00 -0800p3 From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii_googlespam@yahoo.com>eF Subject: SDSU_AskLib (VAX-106) or VAX Library Collection 3 (VAX-LIB-3)0 Message-ID: <10vji8rgmd3se8c@corp.supernews.com>  I I am still looking for a copy of SDSU_AskLib (VAX-106) submitted to  the nD DECUS Library around the end of 1984 or The VAX Library Collection 3 (VAX-LIB-3) which contains it.  V http://free.prohosting.com/cwhii/cgi-bin/get_page.cgi?../1985/page_swapper_sdsu_asklib   -- t C.W.Holeman II) cwh5ii@Julian5Locals.com remove the fivesa   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:23:54 GMT , From: david-m-jones@nospam.net (David Jones)  Subject: VMS CVS client with ssh> Message-ID: <uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com>  ? Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh?>E I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad fileI' number" error on attempts to check out.d   Thanks - DMJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:18:14 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>v# Subject: Re: Window managers on VMS B Message-ID: <1106852839.ff011f50909f09a423a76a03029231ee@teranews>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:B > But the XUI window manager is still the only one on VAX, right ?  L VAX has both MWM and XUI. XUI looks a lot like the TWM I have on an old mac.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.055 ************************hindu.com/2004/03/31/stories/2004033103811800.htm  >>D >> Contrary to the fears expressed in the above articles, it appears: e is to it in my mind. No missles,
> Al'Qaeda, sabotage or intervention from Allah against Zion;)
> 
> My partner says (is convinced) that both the train and the shuttle are
> the victims of conspiricies. I don't agree at all. I'm just not that
> suspicious I suppose.

Yeah.  The Chinese have a laser in orbit and are taking pot-shots
at various targets.  That's why it why they both happened during
daylight hours. The timing is also coincident with the longitudinal
progression of their polar-orbit satellites.
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"Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net>  said, and I quote:

> Get a reverse-osmosis system.
> 
> Costco sells the Premier brand,
> 
> "http://www.premierh2o.com/watts/showdetl.cfm?&DID=15&Product_ID=25&CATID
> =1" 
> 
> I think that the Costco price is about $150 for a model similar to this
> one. 
> 
> Carbon alone is not sufficient.

Sufficient for what?

-- 
Yours In Liberty, Melissa - Colorado, U.S.A. http://www.UPAlliance.org
http://www.dimensional.com/~melissa/readinglist.htm 
My definition of a "patriot": Someone who supports the principles of 
liberty over Coercive Collectivism, and especially against the Coercive 
Collectivism of racism. 

Interested in companionship in the west Denver area, based on common 
interests - Libertarian - Objectivist - Chess - Martial arts - Shooting - 
Classic rock, & Would like a woman shooting-partner for Fridays.

I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN BUYING an SKS, SAR-1, Mosin Nagant or Mossberg 
Persuader 12 gauge in Denver area, if the 