0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 56      Contents:) Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing 0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia DCL-W-OKTAB? Re: DEC Keyboard Question  Re: INPSMB errors  Re: INPSMB errors 5 Re: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impact A Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on H OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia)L Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia)L Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia)P Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) wik6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated$ Re: Pathworks install/config problem$ Re: Pathworks install/config problem
 PWS600au boot  Re: PWS600au boot  Re: PWS600au boot  Re: PWS600au boot  Re: PWS600au boot  RE: PWS600au boot  Re: PWS600au boot  Re: VMS CVS client with ssh & [OT]: Open Source Solaris - some views  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:39:36 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) 2 Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself1 Message-ID: <95EC6521Fwspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   0 jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) wrote in" <41F841A7.1C181D83@teksavvy.com>:    >Warren Spencer wrote:I >> I hate to admit such things, but it was long enough ago I can get away G >> with it.  I ran into a fellow (so sorry, don't remember his name) in H >> Ottawa in the late 80's who worked for DEC and claimed he worked with >> Cutler on VMS 1.  >  > Benoit Seauvageau ?  >   H Sorry but it's been so long I don't think there's a chance I'd remember C even if I saw his name.  Besides - we were drinking and there were  I scantily-clad women about - more than enough to distract the likes of me!    ws --   Warren Spencer   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:52:20 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing3 Message-ID: <KkGNEODu741$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <n7SQsh+XcsEP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > M > I believe Multinet does not do Phase IV over IP, but that Process Software, L > the vendor of Multinet, has a separate product that does Phase IV over IP.  C   I have only installed Multinet, and I have used Phase IV over IP.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:54:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing3 Message-ID: <HHIDtCERB35h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41F9AAA7.19367E0C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:  >>   >> Sideline question:  >>  D >> I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not >> routable. > E > Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you  > trying to say?  G    While TCP/IP and DECnet can run over ethernet, they are not limitted <    to LAN technology.  MOP, LAT, and SCS are limitted to LAND    technologies.  MOP and LAT were specifically designed to run over    ethernet segments.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:01:25 GMT + From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia > Message-ID: <9rlKd.138027$K7.73555@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1106875531.f173087640a27bb90ef5896fafe9f214@teranews... > Anthony Borla wrote:? > >     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems 0 > > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ? >  <SNIP> >   5 All done, with, hopefully, not *too* many errors ;) !    Many thanks for your help.   Cheers,   
 Anthony Borla    P.S.  K I must visit the HP website more often - some *great* documentation there !    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:56:35 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501280954260.4493@localhost.localdomain>  ) On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote:   I >  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_ ?                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * Might be better to say "case insensitive".     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: DCL-W-OKTAB? ) Message-ID: <ctdphb$g1p$1@news.BelWue.DE>    Hello,  H what does %DCL-W-OKTAB mean beyond "command tables are already in latest format"?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:37:22 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question) Message-ID: <ctd4l2$hju$1@news.BelWue.DE>   _ In article <f0QJd.6621$1D5.1911@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  > J >"Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message$ >news:ct8eo2$oqv$1@news.BelWue.DE...< >> In article <tTNJd.6603$wy5.240@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK"% ><fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >  >>M >> >VMS will poll the KB when the driver is reset to force a powerup sequence E >> >as well.  But if no KB is there, the sequence may never complete.  >>M >> So if I could tell the KVM to send 0xAA to the Alpha this should force the + >> Alpha to start the keyboard negotiation?  >> > E >Yes.  If the KVM, when switched sent an 0xAA sequence, life would be 	 >perfect.   N Now I know that I am able to force the KVM switch to send the power-up signal.N Unfortunately this causes the "shift" and "screen" LEDs to blink once, whereasO with the keyboard directly attached to an Alpha the LEDs blink twice. Obviously N the Rose switch doesn't pass through all the negotiation stuff :-( . It is not( one of the "dumb pass-through switches".  N So it would be helpful if I could tell OpenVMS to assume an LK411 and suppress the negotiation.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:27:50 -0800 & From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: Re: INPSMB errors< Message-ID: <dundas-2801050827500001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  E In article <1106872888.8de934f6c59928bb87460497ebc6b6fb@teranews>, JF + Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > John Dundas wrote:H > > %INPSMB-E-JOBCARD, job beginning '$ JOB SYSTEM/LOG=JOHN/KEEP/NOTIFY' > < > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.16  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH8 > > -JBC-E-NOCMKRNL, operation requires CMKRNL privilege > I > Not sure how the input symbiont runs. But because it can submit jobs on H > behalf of  different users (performing the equivalent of SUBMIT/USER),0 > it would need CMKRNL to perform that function.  " Yes, that's my understanding also.  F > Not sure how the card reader interface works though. Is it a process. > that runs, listening to that hardware port ?  J No, the CRDRIVER sends a message to the job controller mailbox to initiateJ the process.  As I understand it, by default a file called INPBATCH.COM isJ created in the user's account (unless the /NAME= qual is given) containingH the card deck.  This file is supposed to be executed.  That's the extent of my knowledge on the subject.   G It makes sense that privilege is required.  However even the first line F seems to indicate some sort of error %INPSMB-E: the E is error status, right?   TIA,   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:08:30 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: INPSMB errors, Message-ID: <35vdd1F4s48u5U1@individual.net>   John Dundas wrote:G > I'm working on a card reader interface for SIMH.  The interface works F > in most instances, however I'm having trouble with one situation andE > need VMS help.  I'm submtting a batch job via the card reader.  The B > job is read correctly (I think) and a corresponding INPBATCH.COMC > created in the login directory.  However the job does not execute E > correctly; instead I receive the following messages on the operator 
 > console: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.13  %%%%%%%%%%%" > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMHF > %INPSMB-E-JOBCARD, job beginning '$ JOB SYSTEM/LOG=JOHN/KEEP/NOTIFY' >  > $ : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.15  %%%%%%%%%%%" > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH0 > %INPSMB-E-ENTFIL, error entering file on queue >  > $ : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.16  %%%%%%%%%%%" > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH6 > -JBC-E-NOCMKRNL, operation requires CMKRNL privilege > H > Any hints here?  The queue manager is running.  The SYS$BATCH queue is@ > running.  Not sure where else to look.  The job itself is very= > simple, $ SHOW TIME, followed by $ SHOW SYSTEM, then $ EOD.  >  > All ideas appreciated. > 	 > Thanks,  >  > John  E I'm not sure my memory goes back that far and other than knowing what B room the cardreader was in I did not have much to do with it, but;  / Did you put a "$ PASSWORD" card in your reader?   H Who owns the queue that is running the INPSMB symbiont? (SHOW QUEUE/FULL
 queuename)  D I think that if the queue is not owned by the same username that youH have on your JOB card then you need a PASSWORD card. But that was a longF time ago and I could be totally wrong now. If all else fails you couldA install INPSMB with CMKRNL privilege, but that would turn off all E security you have on your system and leave it wide open to anyone who 	 wants it.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2005 15:56:27 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impact, Message-ID: <35v5lbF4qsig7U1@individual.net>  C In article <1106849294.395455.291200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,  	jordan@ccs4vms.com writes: > > There's a MySQL bot on the loose.  Per the info at the ISC (I > http://isc.sans.org/diary.php/diary.php?date=2005-01-27 ) it looks like G > it can only really infect a wintel based system, but the breakin part H > could work on MySQL on other platforms; that might leave an unexpectedD > (but unusable) file on the system, at least until the snerts startI > creating executables for other platforms.  It does a brute force attack H > on the database 'root' password via a connection to port 3306 and uses> > that to drop a wintel DLL onto the system, then executes it. > : > Port 3306 scanning has been noted; this is probably why. > A > This is not a flaw in MySQL except if you count a possibly poor F > password on the database's ROOT account against it.  Recommendations) > are made for providing better security.  > F > Just in case any of you are running MySQL in a more open environmentG > (mine is safely ensconced on a private firewall protected LAN with no  > wintels around)... >   C I don't see the problem.  My server running MySql will only accept  B connection on 3306 from machines I have specifically authorized so, any attack would have to come from in-house.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 09:02:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on3 Message-ID: <WIynlgseMtAN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <BE1F7D9C.56FE%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:  L > Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next great > open file system.   B DEC/Compaq discovered what many of us suspected during their earlyJ technology discussions - the world has very few write-mostly applications.  J Once one introduced reading into the mix, performance gains went negative.   The project was cancelled.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:20 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> Q Subject: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) , Message-ID: <35u9cqF4r75e7U1@individual.net>  + On 2005-01-28 01:54, "Anthony Borla" wrote:    > [...]  > 6 > Also, some issues I think worth considering include: > . > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ?   ODS-1, RSX-11 file system  ODS-2, VMS standard file system  ODS-3, ISO-9660, used on CDs ODS-4, High Sierra, used on CDs  ODS-5, VMS extended file system   4 > * Access Control - Include / discuss UIC-based and >    ACL-based ?  3 Yes. (But I don't have a suggestion for the entry.)   G > I hope this starts an interesting and fruitful branch off the current 	 > thread.  >  > [...]  >  > ODS-2  > 
 > *Limits*G >   Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_ J >   Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_4 >   Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_ >   Maximum file size _..._   D According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.6: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later);: Section 10.22.2: 2 GB with specific C/C++ file operations.   >   Maximum volume size _..._   D According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.5: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later);0 8.38 GB (2^24 blocks) for versions prior to 6.0.   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:08:18 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> U Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) , Message-ID: <Rtedned1rPfL2mfcRVn-1A@igs.net>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > F > Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next > great open file system.      A good starting point:  8 http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=1397&t=1384  @ If you google 'spiralog' you will find many technical papers and
 commentaries.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:12:18 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> U Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) , Message-ID: <OPGdnX8q48Hb1WfcRVn-2A@igs.net>  , Forgot to include this link in my last post:  6 http://research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJM00/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:26:52 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) wik / Message-ID: <BE1F7D9C.56FE%roktsci@comcast.net>   H On 1/27/05 11:41 PM, in article 35u9cqF4r75e7U1@individual.net, "Michael- Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote:   - > On 2005-01-28 01:54, "Anthony Borla" wrote:  >  >> [...] >>  7 >> Also, some issues I think worth considering include:  >>  / >> * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ?  >  > ODS-1, RSX-11 file system ! > ODS-2, VMS standard file system  > ODS-3, ISO-9660, used on CDs! > ODS-4, High Sierra, used on CDs ! > ODS-5, VMS extended file system  > 5 >> * Access Control - Include / discuss UIC-based and  >>    ACL-based ?  > 5 > Yes. (But I don't have a suggestion for the entry.)  > H >> I hope this starts an interesting and fruitful branch off the current
 >> thread. >>   >> [...] >>   >> ODS-2 >>   >> *Limits* H >>   Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_K >>   Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_ 5 >>   Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_  >>   Maximum file size _..._ > F > According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.6: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later);< > Section 10.22.2: 2 GB with specific C/C++ file operations. >  >>   Maximum volume size _..._ > F > According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.5: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later);2 > 8.38 GB (2^24 blocks) for versions prior to 6.0. >  >> [...] > 	 > Michael J Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next great open file system.   
 Jeff Cameron?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:24:25 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 8 Message-ID: <krvjv0loue99kfhalosh5stnqla0cv560o@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:53 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:  F >Lacking in the VMS roadmap is any mention of VMS versions for VAX. ISE >7.3 the last one, or is 8.2 or is it a case of a decision not having  >been made ?   From the notes on Slide 7:-   F "VAX releases:  The OpenVMS VAX Version 8.2 release is currently underL investigation as we assess customer demand.  OpenVMS VAX will continue to be supported into the future."   G BTW You should have called out this other important note from Slide 7:-   N "Support for the rx8620 and Superdome (Madison 6 and Madison 9) systems, up toP 16 CPUs in a nPAR (hardware partition) will be delivered in a V8.2-1 release byJ September 2005.  The V8.2-1 release will be for Integrity only and include* maintenance updates and hardware support."   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:46:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated , Message-ID: <41FA09AF.9019F715@teksavvy.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: P > "Support for the rx8620 and Superdome (Madison 6 and Madison 9) systems, up toR > 16 CPUs in a nPAR (hardware partition) will be delivered in a V8.2-1 release byL > September 2005.  The V8.2-1 release will be for Integrity only and include, > maintenance updates and hardware support."    G In the past, this would, have been a -HA release. I think VAX VMS 6.1HA E for instance included support for some machines which didn't exist at 0 the time 5.5 came out. (or something like that).  G Question: if HP does not produce 8.2 for VAX, does this mean that there A would be very reduce operability between VAX and IA64 and command G procedures designed to handle all 3 architectures may balk when running G on VAX when they encounter code testing for IA64 which doesn't exist on 	 VAX-VMS ?   = Would clustering work with an IA64 box (albeit unsupported) ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated , Message-ID: <35ur1fF4qpeouU1@individual.net>  * On 2005-01-28 10:24, "Nigel Barker" wrote:   > [...]  >  > From the notes on Slide 7:-   F I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). IsE the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for   the obviously intended audience?   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:49:32 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 8 Message-ID: <c7ekv09oihkf476947th6c4530cgi6lahk@4ax.com>  K On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:46:12 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >Nigel Barker wrote:Q >> "Support for the rx8620 and Superdome (Madison 6 and Madison 9) systems, up to S >> 16 CPUs in a nPAR (hardware partition) will be delivered in a V8.2-1 release by M >> September 2005.  The V8.2-1 release will be for Integrity only and include - >> maintenance updates and hardware support."  >  > H >In the past, this would, have been a -HA release. I think VAX VMS 6.1HAF >for instance included support for some machines which didn't exist at1 >the time 5.5 came out. (or something like that).   P An Alpha hardware release would be an 'H' like 7.2-1H1 supporting the Wildfire.   H >Question: if HP does not produce 8.2 for VAX, does this mean that thereB >would be very reduce operability between VAX and IA64 and commandH >procedures designed to handle all 3 architectures may balk when runningH >on VAX when they encounter code testing for IA64 which doesn't exist on
 >VAX-VMS ?  N Only if using some of Guy Peleg's fancy new features in DCL. Even then you canG conditionalise your DCL easily enough to avoid features missing on VAX.   > >Would clustering work with an IA64 box (albeit unsupported) ?  M Of course. It's been working for at least 18 months. It's only software after M all:-) I have a nice little mixed architecture cluster demo with an rx2600, a L DS10 plus a VAXserver 3900. Of course the VAX is actually SIMH running on my laptop!    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:14:51 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 8 Message-ID: <drgkv0lrk4c7qrplcukp1k4l6aadrm90n5@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100, Michael Unger & <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote:  G >I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). Is F >the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for! >the obviously intended audience?   F Just an oversight I am sure. The notes are available when you read the: (admittedly rather ugly) HTML version of the presentation.  P In the meantime drop me an email & I will send you a copy of the Powerpoint with notes pages converted to PDF.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:58:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 3 Message-ID: <RKtCZajLgf5f@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1106855516.501bf173f45903a9af604167bbcc9ab9@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > H > There is mention of X.25 with continued support on VAX and Alpha. Does5 > this mean that IA64 systems will not support X.25 ?  > D    There are X.25 bridges that sit on ethernet, so if it's not builtD    into VMS any more then it's just a matter of choosing the correct    hardware.  E    It's been a long time since I actually used an X.25 board in Qbus.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:17:10 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 2 Message-ID: <aAtKd.6828$yy7.3133@news.cpqcorp.net>  H I believe the matter is under review.  Few customers are using x.25 sync devices ' any longer, and are doing x.25 over IP.   > If you have a business requirement, send your cards & letters.    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:RKtCZajLgf5f@eisner.encompasserve.org... G > In article <1106855516.501bf173f45903a9af604167bbcc9ab9@teranews>, JF , Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > J > > There is mention of X.25 with continued support on VAX and Alpha. Does7 > > this mean that IA64 systems will not support X.25 ?  > > F >    There are X.25 bridges that sit on ethernet, so if it's not builtF >    into VMS any more then it's just a matter of choosing the correct >    hardware. > G >    It's been a long time since I actually used an X.25 board in Qbus.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:38:42 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated , Message-ID: <35vbl5F4q44neU1@individual.net>   Nigel Barker wrote:  >...@ > Of course. It's been working for at least 18 months. It's onlyG > software after all:-) I have a nice little mixed architecture cluster F > demo with an rx2600, a DS10 plus a VAXserver 3900. Of course the VAX( > is actually SIMH running on my laptop!  G I also have a Cluster setup with a AXP 800, RX2600  and CHARON-VAX on a F laptop. The only problem is that MONITOR CLUSTER from the Alpha or VAXG does not include the RX2600 and from the RX2600 does not include either = of the other boxes. Since MONITOR was rewritten for 8.2 it is H incompatible with V7.x versions, but other than that I can see all disksF from all nodes (I can even use the ODS-5 disks from the VAX) and I can# use the tape drives from each node.   G BTW: DECUS^H^H^H^H^HEncompass Canada is holding some VMS seminars soon; + http://www.encompasscanada.com/seminars.htm    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:55:25 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated , Message-ID: <35vda7F4p7n0kU1@individual.net>  * On 2005-01-28 15:14, "Nigel Barker" wrote:  3 > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100, Michael Unger ( > <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote: > H >>I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). IsG >>the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for " >>the obviously intended audience? > H > Just an oversight I am sure. The notes are available when you read the< > (admittedly rather ugly) HTML version of the presentation. > R > In the meantime drop me an email & I will send you a copy of the Powerpoint with > notes pages converted to PDF.    Got it. Thanks!   E I have to admit there is much more information in the "notes" than in  the official "presentation".   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:35:27 -0000 % From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> - Subject: Re: Pathworks install/config problem 0 Message-ID: <10vk5bhmd64ioac@corp.supernews.com>   Paul, thanks for that.  K This is the newest version of Pathworks I have access to so for the moment   my only option is to persevere.   K The debug logical you supplied had no effect so I spent last night pulling  J apart command files until things boiled down to PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE failing K when it tries to build the SAM datafiles. My theory at this point was that  J the older software was crashing out because I am using an ODS-5 disk (for  whatever reason).   L I have a second server (VAX) running the same version of PW successfully so I I copied the SAM datafiles across, edited the LANMAN.INI accordingly and  G re-ran PWRK$CONFIG. Lo-and-behold the procedure ran through and worked  
 perfectly.  K So starting up PW gets about half of the processes running. PWRK$KNBDAEMON   fails as follows,   D         Fri Jan 28 10:19:34 2005 get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0  L This is definitely a TCPWare issue as switching to UCX resolves the problem < (although for various other reasons I don't want to use UCX)  I I think I am banging my head off a wall here, some combination of ODS-5,  L Pathworks & TCPWare is combining to cause me grief. Being only a hobbyist I I don't have resources to get newer versions of Pathworks, I don't suppose   anyone can oblige?   Thanks.   0 "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com> wrote in message & news:ctb755$psn$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com... > Hi,  > 2 > "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message, > news:10vhuvljgemrt63@corp.supernews.com... >> All,  >>F >> I'm having trouble getting Pathworks running - well, to be precise, >> configured.: >> It's failing when creating the SAM database (see below)K >> Any hints or tips about troubleshooting this would be more than welcome.  >> >> Thanks in advance.  >> >> Pathworks Version >> =============0 >> PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced Server) >> > L > Yikes, that's some really, really old stuff.  You should install v6.1 (or  > at > least v6.0D).  >  >  >> System Details 
 >> ==========  > [snip] >  >> Output from PWRK$CONFIG >> =====================, >>   1.  Run the license server:          NO, >>   2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO- >>   3.  Enable Alerter service:          YES 7 >>   3a. Alert user names:                Administrator - >>   4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES 2 >>   5.  Advanced Server domain:          LANGROUP1 >>   6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARY / >>   7.  Advanced Server computer name:   xxxxx J >>   8.  Server announce comment:    PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced
 >> Server); >> Enter item number, or RETURN to use these values [DONE]:  >> >> Saving parameters ... >> Creating SAM datafiles... >>1 >> %PWRK-F-SAMCHECK, error creating SAM databases  >>. >> PWRK-I-RESTORE, restoring original settings > J > That can be many things, unfortunately.  If this is a brand new setup, IH > would recommend deleting/renaming any/all files in pwrk$lmdomains: andH > pwrk$lmdatafiles: directories (except the [.msgfiles] subdir) and try  > again.K > Alternately, you can get the actual command that is failing by defining a * > logical name before running pwrk$config: >  > $ define pwrk$debug_com 1  > J > You should really choose a different domain name as well - don't use the% > default - make it something unique.  > H > But again, I urge you to not even try with v6.0B - get v6.1 (or v6.0D)K > installed first.  For v6.1, if you want clients to map drives/printers to 6 > it, you'll need the license pwlmxxxca07.03, however. >  > HTH, >  > Paul >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:12:16 -0500 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>- Subject: Re: Pathworks install/config problem , Message-ID: <ctdo91$cdo$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,     C Regarding ODS5 support, you may be correct - v6.0B may not support  
 _creating_; the SAM files on an ODS5 volume (but you're past that now).   L The gethostbyname error indicates the server didn't get a response returningL the IP address of the local system.  Are you otherwise able to translate theL local hostname to an IP address (i.e., using some TCPWare command equivalent2 to $ UCX SHOW HOST <fully-qualified-domain-name>)?  E The sequence, when running TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, goes like so:   1    The Advanced Server issues a gethostname call.   K    TCP/IP Services returns the fully qualified domain name derived from the / logicals TCPIP$INET_HOST and TCPIP$INET_DOMAIN.   G    Advanced Server issues a  gethostbyname call.using the name returned  above as an argument.   D   TCP/IP Services will either return information from the local hostJ database (most likely) or query a DNS server to get the address and return it to Advanced Server.     Paul  0 "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message* news:10vk5bhmd64ioac@corp.supernews.com... > Paul, thanks for that. > L > This is the newest version of Pathworks I have access to so for the moment! > my only option is to persevere.  > L > The debug logical you supplied had no effect so I spent last night pullingK > apart command files until things boiled down to PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE failingLL > when it tries to build the SAM datafiles. My theory at this point was thatK > the older software was crashing out because I am using an ODS-5 disk (for  > whatever reason).e >NJ > I have a second server (VAX) running the same version of PW successfullyI > so I copied the SAM datafiles across, edited the LANMAN.INI accordinglysL > and re-ran PWRK$CONFIG. Lo-and-behold the procedure ran through and worked > perfectly. >eL > So starting up PW gets about half of the processes running. PWRK$KNBDAEMON > fails as follows,i > E >        Fri Jan 28 10:19:34 2005 get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0a >oE > This is definitely a TCPWare issue as switching to UCX resolves theaF > problem (although for various other reasons I don't want to use UCX) >dJ > I think I am banging my head off a wall here, some combination of ODS-5,K > Pathworks & TCPWare is combining to cause me grief. Being only a hobbyistnL > I don't have resources to get newer versions of Pathworks, I don't suppose > anyone can oblige? J   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:44 -0700s% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>a Subject: PWS600au bootA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050127212857.02418b40@raptor.psccos.com>g  G Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory and0E no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD.eG What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a-( few seconds more, then things just stop.  I I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causinge( problems.  However, I don't *KNOW* that. The config is:   SRM console: V7.2-1V ASC console: 5.70- PALcode VMS V1.20-16
 SROM V5.90  6 It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it.  Also:   dkb0     Toshiba CD XM-6302B dva0 ewa0 pkc0 pqa0 pqb0   Any ideas, anybody?s   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:50:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e Subject: Re: PWS600au boot, Message-ID: <41FA0A9A.556BAF49@teksavvy.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote: K > I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causings* > problems.  However, I don't *KNOW* that. > The config is:  B It is possible it hangs if it tries to look for a page/swap file ?  F Can you get into SYSBOOT and ensure the swap/page files are disabled ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:03 +0100 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de> Subject: Re: PWS600au boot) Message-ID: <ctd72q$6ig6@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>n   Dan O'Reilly wrote: I > Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory and G > no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD.@I > What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for az* > few seconds more, then things just stop. > K > I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causinga* > problems.  However, I don't *KNOW* that. > The config is: >  > SRM console: V7.2-1g > ASC console: 5.70T > PALcode VMS V1.20-16 > SROM V5.90 > 8 > It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it.  Also: >  > dkb0     Toshiba CD XM-6302B > dva0 > ewa0 > pkc0 > pqa0 > pqb0 >  > Any ideas, anybody?r >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >  > + You are sure, it's an 600au and not a 600a?   	 mfg Kallee   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:59:20 GMTl5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)t Subject: Re: PWS600au bootL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2801050659190001@user-uinj49v.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050127212857.02418b40@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan " O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  H >Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory andF >no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD.H >What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a) >few seconds more, then things just stop.  >^J >I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causing) >problems.  However, I don't *KNOW* that.m >The config is:  >M >SRM console: V7.2-1 >ASC console: 5.70 >PALcode VMS V1.20-16d >SROM V5.90  > 7 >It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it.  Also:  >  >dkb0     Toshiba CD XM-6302B  >dva0  >ewa0  >pkc0  >pqa0  >pqb0g >. >Any ideas, anybody?      Lack of disks should not matter.  	 My guess:   G Check that the CONSOLE environment variable matches what you are really B using for a console (SERIAL or GRAPHICS).  You can type on either,J regardless of the environment variable, and the console will respond.  YouE can enter the boot command on the "wrong" console and the system willaG start to boot.  But right after the banner, VMS starts using the "real"lH console.  If you booted on the "wrong" console, you won't see anything. H If VMS is waiting for input (like the date and time), there won't be any	 progress.m  G Not every alpha system behaves this way, but most of the newer ones do.7   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:01:26 -0800n From: JBloggs@acme.com Subject: Re: PWS600au boot8 Message-ID: <gkckv0tkkmg4sojt2enhnt8hjks7ktgcpo@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:44 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  wrote:  H >Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory andF >no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD.H >What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a) >few seconds more, then things just stop.   ; the points other posters made inre graphics/serial consolesiD are good ones.  (might even double check that you're looking at COM1= vs COM2).  Also note, I find, on 600AUs, a CDROM boot is not p5 all that fast, 2-3 minutes after the initial banner. I  - Push come to hard shove, the later AU models i* the ones w/ USB ports, Miata GL(?), have a4 on-board (cypress) IDE controller that VMS can boot E via CDROM. (The earlier model (MiataMX5?) had a Intel IDE controller)i  9 Push come to harder shove, iirc, you (dano) used to live l8 in the CO Springs area (I'm in Monument). if so. I've a 7 spare XM-5401B on hand  you're welcome to if you can't t1 find a SCSI CDROM easily in this day and age ....    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:55:28 -0500h' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>G Subject: RE: PWS600au bootR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EDA8@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Dan O'Reilly [mailto:dano@process.com]=20i  > Sent: January 27, 2005 8:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm > Subject: PWS600au boot >=20A > Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of=20s > memory andG > no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD.0= > What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is=20c > accessed for a* > few seconds more, then things just stop. >=20> > I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being=20 > present causingO* > problems.  However, I don't *KNOW* that. > The config is: >=20 > SRM console: V7.2-1% > ASC console: 5.70m > PALcode VMS V1.20-16 > SROM V5.90 >=208 > It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it.  Also: >=20 > dkb0     Toshiba CD XM-6302B > dva0 > ewa0 > pkc0 > pqa0 > pqb0 >=20 > Any ideas, anybody?v >=20   Dan,  C Just a WAG, but also check the console parameter called SCSI_RESET.'  G It should be set to 3 or higher. This parameter determines how long thetA system waits for the scsi bus to settle down after an init beforet* accessing it e.g. after power up/init etc.  B I had an issue similar to yours one time where access to the cdromC seemed to have intermittent problems on on boot and increasing thiso parameter fixed it.=   Regardsv  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660' Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC)-? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org>  Subject: Re: PWS600au boot8 Message-ID: <41FA831D.7CF276A@encompasserve-or-this.org>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:d >    > dkb0     Toshiba CD XM-6302B > dva0 > ewa0 > pkc0 > pqa0 > pqb0    - If you have no pkb0 how can you have a dkb0 ?m  C pqb0 implies you should have dqb0 and that your CD is IDE not SCSI.d   What's the OS_TYPE set to ?c   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 09:04:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o$ Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh3 Message-ID: <hLvW8$D$iUNb@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  m In article <uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com>, david-m-jones@nospam.net (David Jones) writes:e  A > Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh?GG > I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad file1) > number" error on attempts to check out.o  E    I've got it working on VMS 7.2-1 with Multinet 4.4 SSH.  Make sure%C    you're using UNIX syntax for the file names, and do use an ODS-5u-    disk.  We're using pserver authentication.n  G    IIRC "bad file number" sounds like the CVS server doesn't understandnE    what file you're trying to checkout.  Check your CVS_ROOT setup on /    the client side, and your cvs login command.l  0    If that doens't help, then post some details.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:51:42 -0500a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a/ Subject: [OT]: Open Source Solaris - some viewsh, Message-ID: <W8-dneI9ItEOwmfcRVn-hg@igs.net>  8 http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=978&tag=nl.e540-2   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.056 ************************