0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 57      Contents:% Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing 0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia" DCL script for a dummy like me ...& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ...& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ...& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ...& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ...& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... Re: DCL-W-OKTAB?8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA) Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary  Re: INPSMB errors  Re: INPSMB errors  Re: INPSMB errors 6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering6 Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clustering5 Re: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impact ! Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? L Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia)6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated$ Re: Pathworks install/config problem) Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ Apache ) Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ Apache  Re: PWS600au boot  Re: Setting colors Re: Tivoli SRM Re: Tivoli SRM& Re: Trouble starting CSWB 2.0 (Apache)@ TURN $10 INTO $100,000 WITH PAYPAL!! CHECK THIS OUT!! IT WORKS!! Re: VMS CVS client with ssh : What happened to Spiralog (was: Re: OpenVMS file systems ) [OT]: What if..... Re: [OT]: What if..... Re: [OT]: What if.....  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:31:51 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing+ Message-ID: <41FB03A7.5AE138D1@comcast.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <41F9AAA7.19367E0C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >> > >> Sideline question:  > >>F > >> I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not > >> routable. > > G > > Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you  > > trying to say? > I >    While TCP/IP and DECnet can run over ethernet, they are not limitted > >    to LAN technology.  MOP, LAT, and SCS are limitted to LANF >    technologies.  MOP and LAT were specifically designed to run over >    ethernet segments.   G ...or it may be more accurate to say that routing was not part of their  original intent.  D All protocols that run over ethernet use the source MAC / target MACG scheme. That characteristic alone does not define the protocol as being A (non)routable or "serializable" (ethernet is, after all, a serial 	 medium!).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 11:09:48 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia B Message-ID: <1106939388.031589.32510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Rob Brown wrote:+ > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote:  > E > >  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _,  -, $_ A >                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ , > Might be better to say "case insensitive".   {\silly}  C I AGREE. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SCARE AWAY THE PEOPLE WITH THE DREADED A DISEASE FOUCL (FEAR OF UPPER CASE LETTERS).  HOPEFULLY THE NIH IS B WORKING ON A CURE FOR FOUCL. I SUGGEST A STRONG DAILY DOSE OF VMS.   OH NO! IT'S UPPERCASE LETTERS!) AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!   E HEY, IF OPENVMS = VMS, THEN OPEN MUST BE THE IDENTITY PREFIX! HA! HA!  HA!    {\endsilly} > Okay, I really don't want to scare away any FOUCL-weenies. :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2005 20:35:37 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 0 Message-ID: <slrncvl8gp.23j.thierry@MARS.Family>  2 On 2005-01-28, AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote: >  > Rob Brown wrote:, >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote: >>F >> >  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, > -, $_ B >>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^- >> Might be better to say "case insensitive".  > 
 > {\silly} > E > I AGREE. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SCARE AWAY THE PEOPLE WITH THE DREADED C > DISEASE FOUCL (FEAR OF UPPER CASE LETTERS).  HOPEFULLY THE NIH IS D > WORKING ON A CURE FOR FOUCL. I SUGGEST A STRONG DAILY DOSE OF VMS. > 
 > {\endsilly}   O Note:  Researchers showed that FOUCL has started spreading like an epidemy with O        the daily increase of SCAM-Mails.  Users of different online conferences 3 	 were also said to be highly susceptible to FOUCL.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:06:02 GMT + From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia > Message-ID: <_OxKd.138847$K7.97341@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  2 "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message> news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0501280954260.4493@localhost.localdomain...+ > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote:  > B > >  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), > >   _, -, $_A >                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ , > Might be better to say "case insensitive". >   	 Agreed :)   J The actual entry required neither, though. Since only ODS-5 was added, theG same value as many of the existing entries was applicable, so was used.    Cheers,   
 Anthony Borla    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 14:48:39 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia B Message-ID: <1106952519.646237.33390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Thierry Dussuet wrote:4 > On 2005-01-28, AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > >  > > Rob Brown wrote:. > >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote: > >>E > >> >  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only),  _,	 > > -, $_ D > >>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^/ > >> Might be better to say "case insensitive".  > >  > > {\silly} > > G > > I AGREE. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SCARE AWAY THE PEOPLE WITH THE DREADED E > > DISEASE FOUCL (FEAR OF UPPER CASE LETTERS).  HOPEFULLY THE NIH IS F > > WORKING ON A CURE FOR FOUCL. I SUGGEST A STRONG DAILY DOSE OF VMS. > >  > > {\endsilly}  > D > Note:  Researchers showed that FOUCL has started spreading like an epidemy withE >        the daily increase of SCAM-Mails.  Users of different online  conferences 5 > 	 were also said to be highly susceptible to FOUCL.     D Maybe I should have called it FOUL! I mean, uppercase is really onlyA one word. And SCAM-Mails are definitely FOUL! OK, FOUL IT IS! The B shrinks would probably call it uppercasophobia or something worse.  E Context matters, though. I'd say a collection notice is a lot scarier  than a FORTRAN program!   G And VMS is spelled in uppercase: V M S. And in OpenVMS, the VMS part is 
 uppercase!   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 17:33:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 3 Message-ID: <XR8Gm5bxa7k3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <_OxKd.138847$K7.97341@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> writes: > 4 > "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message@ > news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0501280954260.4493@localhost.localdomain..., >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote: >>C >> >  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only),  >> >   _, -, $_ B >>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^- >> Might be better to say "case insensitive".   # A smoother wording is "case-blind".    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:56:52 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501281656190.7153@localhost.localdomain>  + On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Larry Kilgallen wrote:   A > In article <_OxKd.138847$K7.97341@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,  / > "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> writes:  >>6 >> "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message A >> news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0501280954260.4493@localhost.localdomain... - >>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote:  >>> C >>>>  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only),  >>>>   _, -, $_ D >>>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ . >>> Might be better to say "case insensitive". > % > A smoother wording is "case-blind".    Yes, I like that better.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 19:28:25 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia C Message-ID: <1106969305.884841.192380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Rob Brown wrote:- > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  > B > > In article <_OxKd.138847$K7.97341@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,1 > > "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> writes:  > >>7 > >> "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message C > >> news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0501280954260.4493@localhost.localdomain... / > >>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote:  > >>> E > >>>>  Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only),  > >>>>   _, -, $_ E > >>>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 0 > >>> Might be better to say "case insensitive". > > ' > > A smoother wording is "case-blind".  >  > Yes, I like that better.  A How about "caseless letters"? I mean, it's not the letters in the B recorded file-spec that are blind or insensitive. Certainly any ofG these new suggestions are better than uppercase-only since you can type G file-specs in lowercase and it's just fine. OTOH, "caseless characters" E may not be clear. OTOH, the .DIR files *do* contain the file-specs in A uppercase. But it's DCL or RMS that converts file-spec strings to D uppercase. It's tough to be clear and accurate for this using only a? single adjective because the caselessness is in the OS, not the  recorded filenames.   > Certainly saying uppercase-only and nothing else could be veryG misleading. How about saying that the letters may be typed in lowercase 
 or uppercase?   . Whatever. Oh, how about generic case? ... Nah.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:09:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia B Message-ID: <1106971066.f30f2b9fb07bb0701f1d705ac8512e3c@teranews>  
 AEF wrote: > How about "caseless letters"?    How about case neutral ?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 22:02:27 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 3 Message-ID: <QJwckbuyzpYj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1106969305.884841.192380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  1 >> >>> Might be better to say "case insensitive".  >> >( >> > A smoother wording is "case-blind". >> >> Yes, I like that better.  >  > How about "caseless letters"?   0 That defeats the existing parallel construction:   	case-blind  	case-preserving 	case-sensitive    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 13:29:56 -0800& From: "eiderdoo" <eiderdoo@uol.com.br>+ Subject: DCL script for a dummy like me ... C Message-ID: <1106947796.353299.238010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   9 I'm trying to do my first DCL scripts but I'm in trouble. F I need to count the number of lines for each file at a given directoryC and keep the result (name of the file and number of lines) in a new  output file.@ I know how to do it simply in a Unix environment (bourne shell): $ for i in `ls file_mask*` > do
 > wc -l $i > done   or by using only wc -l file_mask*  B a) I know how to show only the desired files (those ones that have  200501 in their names) by using:C pipe directory EIDER:[My.Dir]*200501* /columns=1 | search SYS$INPUT  "200501"  B b) I know that I can count the number of lines for a given file by using:, SEARCH/NOOUTPUT/STATISTICS <name-of-file> ""  @ c) And I can select only the line with the result by doing this:D pipe SEARCH/NOOUTPUT/STATISTICS <name-of-file> "" | search SYS$INPUT "Records matched:"   That's all I know :(  G I do not know how to join all of this: To use each one of the filenames C which had been gotten by (a) and to count how many line it has (c).  Could you help me on doing it? Thanks, 
 Eider do O   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:30:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... B Message-ID: <1106950783.274bb8b52d648bb3644d05c87fa53edf@teranews>   eiderdoo wrote:  > ; > I'm trying to do my first DCL scripts but I'm in trouble. H > I need to count the number of lines for each file at a given directoryE > and keep the result (name of the file and number of lines) in a new  > output file.  E You will want to look at the lexicals: F$SEARCH  (HELP LEX F$SEARCH )   + To go through list of files in a directory:    $SAY :== " write sys$output"! $OPEN/WRITE logfile MYLOGFILE.TXT  $! $LOOP1: , $	myfile = F$SEARCH("$disk1:[dir1.dir2]*.*")' $	if myfile .eqs. "" then goto endloop1 : $! 		myfile now contains a valid fully qualified file name $	say "Processing: ''myfile'"  $	call COUNTREC myfile7 $	write logfile "''myfile' contains ''records' records"  $goto LOOP1  $!
 $ENDLOOP1: $say "Done with list of files" $close logfile $EXIT    $! $! $COUNTREC: SUBROUTINE  $	OPEN/READ/SHARE TEMP 'p1 $	records == 0 $	LOOP2:  $		READ/END=endloop2 temp buffer $		records == records + 1 
 $		GOTO LOOP2  $! $	ENDLOOP2:  $	CLOSE TEMP $	EXIT $ENDSUBROUTINE  F Using the HELP command you can pretty much get detailed information onH the above verbs used. F$things are lexicals and can be reached with HELP LEXICAL F$thing   F the "==" sets a scobe to be global so that the value is shared betweenE portions of scripts and between scripts executing in the same process $ (eg: one scruiupt invoking another).  F If you want the output written to file in a neater way, you can lookup1 F$FAO which is a glorified equivalent of printf.    F Obiwan may have told Luke to use the Force. But the VMS engineers tell us to use HELP :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:59:28 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> / Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501281546270.6471@localhost.localdomain>  $ On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, eiderdoo wrote:  C > c) And I can select only the line with the result by doing this:  G > pipe SEARCH/NOOUTPUT/STATISTICS <name-of-file> "" | search SYS$INPUT   > "Records matched:"  B JF's example is a good one, but he didn't use SEARCH to count the  records.   Change your pipe command to:  7   $ pipe SEARCH/NOOUTPUT/STATISTICS <name-of-file> "" - ?        | search SYS$INPUT "Records matched:" /output=rcount.dat   B Then open rcount.dat and read the record and parse out the record 7 count.  JF's example shows how to open and read a file.   E Type $ HELP LEX for information about the lexical functions that can  E be used for parsing a string.  My choice would be F$ELEMENT.  Others   might use F$EXTRACT.  G VAXman (I think) has a program called SYMBOL which I think can be used  E in your pipe command to to eliminate the rcount.dat file but instead  E put the result directly into a symbol, which you would still have to   parse for the answer.    HTH      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:23:27 GMT . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>/ Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... + Message-ID: <PPzKd.75546$Qb.27517@edtnps89>   + This will do it all in 1 pass for each file    $!!  record_count.com $ $!!  usage: @record_count <filename> $!!  $ if (p1 .eqs. "") $ then' $ inquire/nopunct p1 "Enter Filename: "  $ endif  $ if (p1 .eqs. "") then exit $! $ fspec = f$search("''p1'")  $ if (fspec .eqs. "") then exit  $!A $ fdir = f$parse(fspec,,,"DEVICE") + f$parse(fspec,,,"DIRECTORY")   $ fnam = f$parse(fspec,,,"NAME")  $ fext = f$parse(fspec,,,"TYPE")# $ fver = f$parse(fspec,,,"VERSION")  $ f    = fnam + fext + fver  $!! $ cdir = f$environment("DEFAULT")  $ set default 'fdir' $!* $ pipe ( search/stat/output=nl: 'f' "" | -1            search sys$pipe "records searched" | -             ( -"              read sys$pipe $t$ ; -(              define/job/nolog $t$ &$t$ -            ) -          ) ; -  record_count == -=  f$element(2," ",f$edit(f$trnlnm("$t$"),"TRIM,COMPRESS")) ; -       deassign/job $t$  $!E $ write sys$output "''F$Fao("!/ Record count is: !AS",record_count)'"  $! $ set default 'cdir  $! $ exit  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  < news:1106950783.274bb8b52d648bb3644d05c87fa53edf@teranews... > eiderdoo wrote:  >>< >> I'm trying to do my first DCL scripts but I'm in trouble.I >> I need to count the number of lines for each file at a given directory F >> and keep the result (name of the file and number of lines) in a new >> output file.  > G > You will want to look at the lexicals: F$SEARCH  (HELP LEX F$SEARCH )  > - > To go through list of files in a directory:  >  > $SAY :== " write sys$output"# > $OPEN/WRITE logfile MYLOGFILE.TXT  > $!	 > $LOOP1: . > $ myfile = F$SEARCH("$disk1:[dir1.dir2]*.*")) > $ if myfile .eqs. "" then goto endloop1 : > $! myfile now contains a valid fully qualified file name > $ say "Processing: ''myfile'"  > $ call COUNTREC myfile9 > $ write logfile "''myfile' contains ''records' records" 
 > $goto LOOP1  > $! > $ENDLOOP1:  > $say "Done with list of files" > $close logfile > $EXIT  >  > $! > $! > $COUNTREC: SUBROUTINE  > $ OPEN/READ/SHARE TEMP 'p1 > $ records == 0
 > $ LOOP2:! > $ READ/END=endloop2 temp buffer  > $ records == records + 1 > $ GOTO LOOP2 > $!
 > $ ENDLOOP2:  > $ CLOSE TEMP > $ EXIT > $ENDSUBROUTINE > H > Using the HELP command you can pretty much get detailed information onJ > the above verbs used. F$things are lexicals and can be reached with HELP > LEXICAL F$thing  > H > the "==" sets a scobe to be global so that the value is shared betweenG > portions of scripts and between scripts executing in the same process & > (eg: one scruiupt invoking another). > H > If you want the output written to file in a neater way, you can lookup2 > F$FAO which is a glorified equivalent of printf. > H > Obiwan may have told Luke to use the Force. But the VMS engineers tell > us to use HELP :-)     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:41:42 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... + Message-ID: <41FB05F6.DD7876C2@comcast.net>    Jerry Alan Braga wrote:  > - > This will do it all in 1 pass for each file  >  > $!!  record_count.com  > [snip]  F Now, modify that to read filespec.'s from SYS$PIPE, and you've got it!  ; $ PIPE DIRECTORYX/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL MY*.* | @PIPE_RECORD_COUNT   9 ...and remember: SEARCH uses wildcarded filespec.'s, too!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:45:28 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... + Message-ID: <41FB06D8.B5528A67@comcast.net>    Rob Brown wrote: > & > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, eiderdoo wrote: > D > > c) And I can select only the line with the result by doing this:H > > pipe SEARCH/NOOUTPUT/STATISTICS <name-of-file> "" | search SYS$INPUT > > "Records matched:" > C > JF's example is a good one, but he didn't use SEARCH to count the 
 > records. >  > Change your pipe command to: > 9 >   $ pipe SEARCH/NOOUTPUT/STATISTICS <name-of-file> "" - A >        | search SYS$INPUT "Records matched:" /output=rcount.dat  > C > Then open rcount.dat and read the record and parse out the record 9 > count.  JF's example shows how to open and read a file.    Another example to consider:  # $ mesg = f$environment( "message" ) & $ set message/nofac/nosev/noide/notext $ SEARCH my*.* ""/noout/log  $ set message'mesg'   H ...unless you need more file selection criteria than /SINCE and /BEFORE.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:38:25 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? + Message-ID: <41FB0531.61F0888A@comcast.net>    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >  > Hello, > J > what does %DCL-W-OKTAB mean beyond "command tables are already in latest
 > format"?  # In response to what command string?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 21:17:06 -0800' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA B Message-ID: <1106975826.938163.44840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   patrick jankowiak wrote: > ...  > Sweet.. Need $ and $.. ...! > Might cost what $100M to start?  > ; > The only geek with enough $ to start something like that, 0 > and enough daring to pull it off is Mr. Gates. > 0 > It's wonderful and would probably make tons of$ > moolah.. Who's going to call Bill?  E Please, anyone but him. We don't want these to fall into the hands of 
 the enemy.   --Toby   > ...  >  > Opcom    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:24:53 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Fortune article and subsequent commentary= Message-ID: <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>   C Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the  C failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.  I While the former is of course no news here (they do give a well-deserved  C ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of his calls during the  I merger battle, and could have created a great one-two punch by observing  G that Carly's abject failure to live up to the expectations she herself  D set mirrors that of Itanic), one statement in an interview with Rob I Enderle ("The interview is an inside look at the thinking of one of HP's    trusted confidants") stands out:  I "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to  6 exit from the operating system business all together."  E While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have   been reluctant to accept it.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 17:32:51 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary3 Message-ID: <$fDF+EdHg4xy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:E > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the  E > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.  K > While the former is of course no news here (they do give a well-deserved  E > ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of his calls during the  K > merger battle, and could have created a great one-two punch by observing  I > that Carly's abject failure to live up to the expectations she herself  F > set mirrors that of Itanic), one statement in an interview with Rob K > Enderle ("The interview is an inside look at the thinking of one of HP's  " > trusted confidants") stands out: > K > "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to  8 > exit from the operating system business all together." > G > While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have   > been reluctant to accept it. >   = 	Say it... I know you just wanna pucker your lips and say it:    			"Death of VMS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:56:28 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <Lt6dnZKS_PqtTGfcRVn-vQ@igs.net>   Rob Young wrote:D > In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill' > Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: E >> Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the E >> failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary. = >> While the former is of course no news here (they do give a B >> well-deserved ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of hisA >> calls during the merger battle, and could have created a great G >> one-two punch by observing that Carly's abject failure to live up to @ >> the expectations she herself set mirrors that of Itanic), oneC >> statement in an interview with Rob Enderle ("The interview is an B >> inside look at the thinking of one of HP's trusted confidants") >> stands out: >>A >> "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're C >> trying to exit from the operating system business all together."  >>G >> While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have  >> been reluctant to accept it.  >> > > > Say it... I know you just wanna pucker your lips and say it: >  > "Death of VMS"    J Don't be such a Pollyanna, Rob.  It will be the death of VMS if HP doesn'tK get its corporate head screwed on right. That VMS has survived thus far has L been only due to the loyalty of the remaining customer base, not as a result9 of any positive actions of Compaq/HP management recently.   D VMS sales have skidded downward since 2001. You take Sun to task andL classify same sort of result for Solaris as McNeally's folly or ostrich-like4 behaviour. Ditto for carly(tm) et al. regarding VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:12:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentaryB Message-ID: <1106964065.9add86f7612bcb324d49e82e34913975@teranews>   Bill Todd wrote:D > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on theD > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.  F It is a February 7th edition., And it has already begun to make noise.B One must wonder how long the talk about Carly's failure will last.  E The cover page of that issue is going to be very damning on Carly and @ her carreer. The problem is that this will put Carly on a strongG defensive mode. She won't admit defeat and find another job, she'll try  to defend/rebuild her image.  E Wounded animals can be dangerous. Carly may react by making some rash 9 decisions to prove to the world that she is worthy of her H responsabilities as CEO of HP. And this delays her exit from HP to get a  plush republican government job.  D The question now becomes: under this new pressure, will Carly try toD defend her positions and set them even more in concrete, or will sheF start to fix things, like admit IA64 is a failure and move to a better
 platform ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:08:15 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary7 Message-ID: <jeCKd.7507$JF2.11@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    John Smith wrote:  > Rob Young wrote: > D >>In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill' >>Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  >>E >>>Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the E >>>failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary. = >>>While the former is of course no news here (they do give a B >>>well-deserved ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of hisA >>>calls during the merger battle, and could have created a great G >>>one-two punch by observing that Carly's abject failure to live up to @ >>>the expectations she herself set mirrors that of Itanic), oneC >>>statement in an interview with Rob Enderle ("The interview is an B >>>inside look at the thinking of one of HP's trusted confidants") >>>stands out: >>> A >>>"HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're C >>>trying to exit from the operating system business all together."  >>> G >>>While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have  >>>been reluctant to accept it.  >>>  >>> >>Say it... I know you just wanna pucker your lips and say it: >> >>"Death of VMS" >  >   A VMS has had 4 straight quarters of GROWTH, many of which are new  B customers.  You don't kill a profit maker.   You also notice your I support calls are supported by the same people that kept the systems the   most reliable for years.         > L > Don't be such a Pollyanna, Rob.  It will be the death of VMS if HP doesn'tM > get its corporate head screwed on right. That VMS has survived thus far has N > been only due to the loyalty of the remaining customer base, not as a result; > of any positive actions of Compaq/HP management recently.  > F > VMS sales have skidded downward since 2001. You take Sun to task andN > classify same sort of result for Solaris as McNeally's folly or ostrich-like6 > behaviour. Ditto for carly(tm) et al. regarding VMS. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:22:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentaryB Message-ID: <1106964677.4d59b1dbb916157734b094769b7e1e6e@teranews>   John Smith wrote:  > > "Death of VMS" > ! > Don't be such a Pollyanna, Rob.   D Actually, there is potential for VMS, if the cards are played right.  E carly is under pressure to show some return on the compaq investment. H The one asset that still has potential is VMS. If she starts to take VMSE seriously and have it grow, it might be a way for her to justify thatS investment in Compaq.2  G On the other hand, she me decide to scuttle all the Compaq assets, give E VMS clustering to Microsoft (again) in exchange for the right to sellnC Windows and imitate Palmer, which would bring HP down to just beingd6 printers because all the rest will have been scuttled.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:44:51 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary= Message-ID: <8dadnXpjc7MHZWfcRVn-ig@metrocastcablevision.com>w   Beach Runner wrote:r   ...y  ! >  You don't kill a profit maker.m   Like, say, Alpha?C  G Get real.  We're not dealing with anything like competent people here, e- and haven't been since Pfeiffer got the boot.c   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:18:48 -0500C# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <J9CdnZihZvwAnWbcRVn-2g@igs.net>   Beach Runner wrote:  > John Smith wrote:u >> Rob Young wrote:  >>F >>> In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill) >>> Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  >>>qG >>>> Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on thetG >>>> failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.t? >>>> While the former is of course no news here (they do give a D >>>> well-deserved ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of hisC >>>> calls during the merger battle, and could have created a greatSF >>>> one-two punch by observing that Carly's abject failure to live upE >>>> to the expectations she herself set mirrors that of Itanic), oneeE >>>> statement in an interview with Rob Enderle ("The interview is an D >>>> inside look at the thinking of one of HP's trusted confidants") >>>> stands out: >>>>C >>>> "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They'reaE >>>> trying to exit from the operating system business all together."s >>>>D >>>> While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to& >>>> have been reluctant to accept it. >>>> >>>a@ >>> Say it... I know you just wanna pucker your lips and say it: >>>h >>> "Death of VMS" >> >> > B > VMS has had 4 straight quarters of GROWTH, many of which are new, > customers.  You don't kill a profit maker.  G From $4B in VMS division revenues (includes howerver they accounted forS? storage, etc. as well) in 2001-ish timefram to maybe $2B today.   F Let's see here...it costs the OVMS engineers salaries + benefits + perG person overhead (desk space, electricity, toilet water, property taxes,-H etc...) whether HP sells $1B or $5B worth of VMS. The more HP sells, theH more profit they make on this single aspect alone, never mind profits onF maintenance, support, services, and that little thing called hardware.     >You also notice youreF > support calls are supported by the same people that kept the systems > the most reliable for years.  A VMS support is great for the customer but it's a two-edged sword.   G If you have the developers answering the support phone then they do get?K unique customer feedback, but they also aren't developing while they are ontF the phone. This is what 1st, 2nd, and finally 3rd-level support is all about.     >  >  >  >  >>E >> Don't be such a Pollyanna, Rob.  It will be the death of VMS if HP @ >> doesn't get its corporate head screwed on right. That VMS hasF >> survived thus far has been only due to the loyalty of the remainingF >> customer base, not as a result of any positive actions of Compaq/HP >> management recently.M >>G >> VMS sales have skidded downward since 2001. You take Sun to task and B >> classify same sort of result for Solaris as McNeally's folly orD >> ostrich-like behaviour. Ditto for carly(tm) et al. regarding VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:22:07 -0500o# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <D9CdnT-yXLz-nGbcRVn-ow@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:a > Bill Todd wrote:E >> Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the-E >> failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.. >>H > It is a February 7th edition., And it has already begun to make noise.D > One must wonder how long the talk about Carly's failure will last. >:G > The cover page of that issue is going to be very damning on Carly andmB > her carreer. The problem is that this will put Carly on a strongE > defensive mode. She won't admit defeat and find another job, she'llt" > try to defend/rebuild her image. >lG > Wounded animals can be dangerous. Carly may react by making some rash ; > decisions to prove to the world that she is worthy of herND > responsabilities as CEO of HP. And this delays her exit from HP to( > get a plush republican government job. >AF > The question now becomes: under this new pressure, will Carly try toF > defend her positions and set them even more in concrete, or will sheH > start to fix things, like admit IA64 is a failure and move to a better > platform ?    K The BoD will force her out and bring in Bill Hewlett as chairman to oversee H the disposition of the computing side of the business as HP emerges as aI printing/imaging company.   carly(tm) will be reduced to getting her hairh% cut at Thelma's World of Beauty salon    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:46:47 -0600c2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary+ Message-ID: <41FB0726.18CFC6F6@comcast.net>s   Rob Young wrote: > j > In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:F > > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on theF > > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.L > > While the former is of course no news here (they do give a well-deservedF > > ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of his calls during theL > > merger battle, and could have created a great one-two punch by observingJ > > that Carly's abject failure to live up to the expectations she herselfG > > set mirrors that of Itanic), one statement in an interview with RobsL > > Enderle ("The interview is an inside look at the thinking of one of HP's$ > > trusted confidants") stands out: > > L > > "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to: > > exit from the operating system business all together." > >lH > > While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have  > > been reluctant to accept it. > >  > F >         Say it... I know you just wanna pucker your lips and say it: > ( >                         "Death of VMS"  ( Ain't it a bitch living in total denial?   -- a David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:-" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/3   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:50:51 -0600r2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary+ Message-ID: <41FB081B.40E2BED2@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Bill Todd wrote:G > >> Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the G > >> failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.E > > J > > It is a February 7th edition., And it has already begun to make noise.F > > One must wonder how long the talk about Carly's failure will last. > >\I > > The cover page of that issue is going to be very damning on Carly andgD > > her carreer. The problem is that this will put Carly on a strongG > > defensive mode. She won't admit defeat and find another job, she'llu$ > > try to defend/rebuild her image. > >vI > > Wounded animals can be dangerous. Carly may react by making some rashs= > > decisions to prove to the world that she is worthy of herbF > > responsabilities as CEO of HP. And this delays her exit from HP to* > > get a plush republican government job. > > H > > The question now becomes: under this new pressure, will Carly try toH > > defend her positions and set them even more in concrete, or will sheJ > > start to fix things, like admit IA64 is a failure and move to a better > > platform ? > M > The BoD will force her out and bring in Bill Hewlett as chairman to overseerJ > the disposition of the computing side of the business as HP emerges as aK > printing/imaging company.   carly(tm) will be reduced to getting her hairm' > cut at Thelma's World of Beauty salone  D If there isn't already a movement afoot to buy VMS away from Carly's& successor(s), what are we waiting for?   -- l David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/0   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:02:52 -0500P' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>.6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <41FB18FC.7000600@tsoft-inc.com>   Beach Runner wrote:u    C > VMS has had 4 straight quarters of GROWTH, many of which are new ", > customers.  You don't kill a profit maker.     One word.  Curly.8  N I agree with your statement, but the leaders of IT companies in the US today, H maybe the entire world, seem to not always agree with that rather basic N sentiment.  Best if we could get back to CEOs who care about the product, not < the results of the next quarter, and their golden parachute.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:08:31 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>w6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <41FB1A4F.1010406@tsoft-inc.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:(    F > If there isn't already a movement afoot to buy VMS away from Carly's( > successor(s), what are we waiting for?    M We're waiting for them to want to get rid of it so bad that they'll throw in:r  + All the Digital names, patents, everything.:' Enough money to run things for 5 years.e  K If we cannot re-start DEC with 5 years funding, then maybe it isn't viable.o  	 Dave  :-):   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:58:04 -0800.& From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: Re: INPSMB errors< Message-ID: <dundas-2801051258040001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>   Peter,  ; In article <35vdd1F4s48u5U1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver"3. <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:1 > Did you put a "$ PASSWORD" card in your reader?a   Yes.  J > Who owns the queue that is running the INPSMB symbiont? (SHOW QUEUE/FULL > queuename)  $ $ sho que/fu sys$batch              & Batch queue SYS$BATCH, idle, on SIMH::P   /AUTOSTART_ON=(SIMH::) /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /JOB_LIMIT=1 /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROTECTI ON=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)  $ sho dev/fu cra0:                B Device CRA0:, device type CR11, is online, record-oriented device.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0sO     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]hO     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W O     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                  80I   $oF > I think that if the queue is not owned by the same username that youJ > have on your JOB card then you need a PASSWORD card. But that was a long   Right; got that.  H > time ago and I could be totally wrong now. If all else fails you couldC > install INPSMB with CMKRNL privilege, but that would turn off allo  7 That did it!  The job executed and did what I expected.-  G > security you have on your system and leave it wide open to anyone whom > wants it.c  H I wonder.  Is it really that bad?  It's bad enough that a $PASSWORD cardG has the password in clear text.  But does installing INPSMB with CMKRNL E create any other problems, or is this the way it is supposed to work?-   Thanks for the eureka moment.J   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:28:15 -0500:< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: INPSMB errors, Message-ID: <35vp3iF4p00e3U1@individual.net>   John Dundas wrote: > Peter, > = > In article <35vdd1F4s48u5U1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver"r0 > <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:2 >> Did you put a "$ PASSWORD" card in your reader? >t > Yes. > @ >> Who owns the queue that is running the INPSMB symbiont? (SHOW >> QUEUE/FULL queuename) >n > $ sho que/fu sys$batch( > Batch queue SYS$BATCH, idle, on SIMH::8 >   /AUTOSTART_ON=(SIMH::) /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /JOB_LIMIT=10 > /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROTECTI ON=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) > $ sho dev/fu cra0: >gD > Device CRA0:, device type CR11, is online, record-oriented device. >i> >     Error count                    0    Operations completed5 >     0 Owner process                 ""    Owner UICo; >     [SYSTEM] Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot)C >     S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count                0    Defaultn! > buffer size                  80s >l > $kG >> I think that if the queue is not owned by the same username that youIF >> have on your JOB card then you need a PASSWORD card. But that was a >> longa >) > Right; got that. >oC >> time ago and I could be totally wrong now. If all else fails you F >> could install INPSMB with CMKRNL privilege, but that would turn off >> all >N9 > That did it!  The job executed and did what I expected.  >yH >> security you have on your system and leave it wide open to anyone who >> wants it. > E > I wonder.  Is it really that bad?  It's bad enough that a $PASSWORDnG > card has the password in clear text.  But does installing INPSMB with E > CMKRNL create any other problems, or is this the way it is supposedo
 > to work? >i > Thanks for the eureka moment.- >- > John  @ The problem with doing that is now anyone can do something like;   $ create hack.como $ deck $ job system $ set def sys$system* $ mcr authorize modify myacct/priv=setpriv $ eodb CTRL-Z $ assign hack.com sys$input> $ mcr inpsmb  F Since you gave INPSMB the privlege then the user does not need to know& the password to do whatever they want.  F I thought there was supposed to be a queue setup with the INPSMB imageF as the symbiont? And that queue had to have the same owner as the job,@ or the job needed the password??? Or maybe I am just remembering wrong??? Something likeo  @ $ INIT/QUE/PROCESS=INPSMB/OWNER=nonprivuser/ON=CRA0: CARD_READER   -- ! Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.i Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX" www.weaverconsulting.ca	   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:01:23 -0800'& From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: Re: INPSMB errors< Message-ID: <dundas-2801051501230001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  ; In article <35vp3iF4p00e3U1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver"U. <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:  H > I thought there was supposed to be a queue setup with the INPSMB imageH > as the symbiont? And that queue had to have the same owner as the job,B > or the job needed the password??? Or maybe I am just remembering > wrong??? Something likee > B > $ INIT/QUE/PROCESS=INPSMB/OWNER=nonprivuser/ON=CRA0: CARD_READER  J That makes perfect sense.  I could not find an example of this anywhere in the on-line documentation.   John   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:07:28 GMTr# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>t? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clusteringd8 Message-ID: <kQxKd.3107$JO2.288@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   John Brandon wrote:M   > Dale Dellutri  wrote:  >  > > >>In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system< >>at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my= >>local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMS.> >>clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site >>connections.    G What version of VMS, what is the distance and what connectivity options C do you have?  Obviously shadowing is the best solution, if you haveT the requirements.h    D There are also storage replication solutions that are still keep you fully supported by VMS.  >  >  > I will assume databases/ > @ > http://www.connx.com/products/change-data-capture/DataSync.asp >  >  > John "REBOOT" Brandona > VMS Systems Administratord, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:37:31 -0600o2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: Keeping two VMS systems in sync without clusteringt+ Message-ID: <41FB04FB.ABB6C08B@comcast.net>n   Dale Dellutri wrote: > > > In the near future, I'm going to have a new small VMS system< > at a remote location that I'll need to synchronize with my= > local production system.  I'm investigating the cost of VMS > > clustering software, licences and cluster-capable inter-site > connections. > ? > For various reasons, I may not be able to use VMS clustering.c= > I may have to keep the remote site in rough sync only using(= > some kind of over-the-internet system: for example, using a @ > router-to-router VPN, send hourly or daily incremental backups< > to the remote site via DECnet V over IP or some other way,4 > restore the backups on the remote site, and so on. > > > Does anyone do this?  Have you found any special problems or0 > better solutions without using VMS clustering? > @ > I know that VMS clustering is the right way to go, but we need > to know the alternatives.q  G The technique we use is to transfer database transaction logs and apply1+ them to the "remote" ("stand-by") database."   Might that be useful here?   -- e David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems" http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:A" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/a   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 13:05:50 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com> Subject: Re: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impactC Message-ID: <1106946350.801134.126890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>)  C > I don't see the problem. My server running MySql will only acceptoD > connection on 3306 from machines I have specifically authorized so. > any attack would have to come from in-house.  D Which means you have a more appropriately configured SQL server thanE most wintel folks probably do.  That is one of the security items thep4 articles recommend looking at if you are running it.  G For myself, I've never put MySQL into any kind of production despite myoB intentions and hopes; its installed and running, I ran through theG quick setup, created a few test databases, played with a  few programs, F but never got any further (as work intervened), so outside of a decentE root password, my system is unprotected (except for a nice commercial 3 grade firewall and a wintel free LAN, heh heh heh).f   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:12:40 GMTd# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>f* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page?9 Message-ID: <cVxKd.3108$JO2.2679@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>O   Excuse the top posting   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/     warren sander wrote:   > no it's not two-speed. > M > it's the difference between 100 pages that have always been in the complier  > area and 30,000 pages thatM > are brand new and must be branded by hand. (mostly from programs but I haveE > to check them allU > individually). > L > Plus I had to change every other page on the site for the color change for > the announcement and? > all the announcement pages and other stuff you all don't see.  > 0 > They will be out before 8.2 goes out the door. >  > @ > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message, > news:ct4q9k$g4i$1@sparta.btinternet.com... >  >>Hi,  >> >>& >>>some like c, c++ are out already on >>>the >>>c and c++ areas.  >>1 >>No there's a surprise :-( Two-speed VMS anyone?  >>( >>We get treated like Oracle treats VMS. >> >>Regards Richard Maher  >>9 >>"warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message ( >>news:41f572cf$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... >>A >>>The 82 docs are being worked. I expect this week or next week.  >>>mK >>>as has been said the 82 ft docs are out there and i've heard not a wholea >> >>lot  >> >>>iswJ >>>changing. yes there will be more docs. some like c, c++ are out already >  > on >  >>>the >>>c and c++ areas.f >>>Y >>>E; >>>"Ryan Moore" <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message*9 >>>news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0501220041100.15550@jaipur.local...c >>> H >>>>Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docs >> >>will >>G >>>>be posted to the web page?  We haven't received our doc updates yetp >  > andf >  >>If >>I >>>>would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals atV
 >>>>least. >>>> >>>>Thanks.d >>>>	 >>>>-Ryan2 >>>  >>>g >> >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:06:02 GMTa+ From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com>aU Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) > Message-ID: <_OxKd.138848$K7.61309@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  5 "Jeff Cameron" <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote in message ) news:BE1F7D9C.56FE%roktsci@comcast.net...e2 > Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog?- > Supposedly the next great open file system.  >R  / SPIRAL[led] O[ff into the] G[reat unknown] ;) ?    Cheers,'  
 Anthony Borlao   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:27:25 -0500A- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated B Message-ID: <1106939793.cc7e22327b9a0e16adffc1a34461f851@teranews>   Bob Koehler wrote:J > > There is mention of X.25 with continued support on VAX and Alpha. Does7 > > this mean that IA64 systems will not support X.25 ?a > >eF >    There are X.25 bridges that sit on ethernet, so if it's not builtF >    into VMS any more then it's just a matter of choosing the correct >    hardware.  E From what I recall, those X.25 bridges still required software on theHH VMS side. (for instance so that SET HOST/X29 (or was it SET HOST/PAD ?),H PSI% mail transport etc worked. There is also the question of having theH server configure the X29 remote ports to have the proper characteristics (echo, no echo, etc etc).e  B There were two flavours of the X25 software. A complete standaloneG version on VMS which used a synchronous port in the machine and had the D complete X25 packetization process running in VMS. And there was theF "light" version where the protocol processing was done by the separateG box, and VMS just had the hooks to transfer the commands to the router,rG removing much of the processing load from the VMS side. But to the userm2 and applications, both appeared exactlty the same.    D Since X25 is still used by lotteries, it would be interesting to seeH how/if they have setup their network so that the VMS hosts wouldn't needE any X25 at all. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to migrate to VMS ono that IA64 thing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:35:31 -060026 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements UpdatediD Message-ID: <craigberry-58EAFA.13353128012005@news.isp.giganews.com>  , In article <35vda7F4p7n0kU1@individual.net>,5  Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote:t  G > I have to admit there is much more information in the "notes" than in  > the official "presentation".  F FWIW the notes are visible in the PowerPoint version without the need D for PowerPoint; it imports just fine into OpenOffice under Mac OS X.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:05:19 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>r? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements UpdatedsB Message-ID: <1106942059.4774688aaa9ebe640296df558864ecc2@teranews>   "Craig A. Berry" wrote:@G > FWIW the notes are visible in the PowerPoint version without the need F > for PowerPoint; it imports just fine into OpenOffice under Mac OS X.    D If the PDF document is incomplete and lacks many of the text that HPH intends customers to see, then shouldn't they fix whetever software theyB are using to ensure that the PDF document is in fact complete ????   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:33:40 -0500 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated , Message-ID: <41fabe9b$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H I've just created a PDF with the speaker notes. It will be out about 2AM
 Eastern time.r  H I thought all the fonts were supposed to be embedded. IF there is a page where the pdf doesn't D have all the stuff that the ppt has please let me know what page --  warren.sander@removethis.hp.coml  J since I have all the font's on my system it's sometimes hard to figure out& what isn't getting embedded if someone uses some weird font.t  J And the HTML files do have the speaker notes (not well formatted but we do what we can...)c   -warrenA  @ "Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message& news:35ur1fF4qpeouU1@individual.net..., > On 2005-01-28 10:24, "Nigel Barker" wrote: > 	 > > [...]f > >H > > From the notes on Slide 7:-u >yH > I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). IsG > the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless fora" > the obviously intended audience? >c	 > > [...]r >e	 > Michaeln >w > --  = > Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 7 > My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid., >e >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:34:31 -0600o2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updatedr+ Message-ID: <41FB0447.55F8FB18@comcast.net>o   Nigel Barker wrote:b > 3 > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100, Michael Unger ( > <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote: > I > >I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). Is H > >the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for# > >the obviously intended audience?2 > H > Just an oversight I am sure. The notes are available when you read the< > (admittedly rather ugly) HTML version of the presentation. > R > In the meantime drop me an email & I will send you a copy of the Powerpoint with > notes pages converted to PDF.o  * Might you sure that with the web at large?  4 I have space in my freeware area, if nothing else...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/r   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:47:48 +0000w# From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> - Subject: Re: Pathworks install/config problem 2 Message-ID: <1106945267.24176.0@iris.uk.clara.net>   Paul,s  H Thank-you for pointing out the obvious. I added the FQDN to the TCPWare " hosts file and BINGO! up she came.  - Thanks a million for taking the time to help.   
 PEN wrote: > Hi,e >  > E > Regarding ODS5 support, you may be correct - v6.0B may not support s > _creating_= > the SAM files on an ODS5 volume (but you're past that now).  > N > The gethostbyname error indicates the server didn't get a response returningN > the IP address of the local system.  Are you otherwise able to translate theN > local hostname to an IP address (i.e., using some TCPWare command equivalent4 > to $ UCX SHOW HOST <fully-qualified-domain-name>)? > G > The sequence, when running TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, goes like so:u > 3 >    The Advanced Server issues a gethostname call.i > M >    TCP/IP Services returns the fully qualified domain name derived from the 1 > logicals TCPIP$INET_HOST and TCPIP$INET_DOMAIN.z > I >    Advanced Server issues a  gethostbyname call.using the name returned  > above as an argument.1 > F >   TCP/IP Services will either return information from the local hostL > database (most likely) or query a DNS server to get the address and return > it to Advanced Server. >  >  > Paul > 2 > "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message, > news:10vk5bhmd64ioac@corp.supernews.com... >  >>Paul, thanks for that. >>L >>This is the newest version of Pathworks I have access to so for the moment! >>my only option is to persevere.e >>L >>The debug logical you supplied had no effect so I spent last night pullingK >>apart command files until things boiled down to PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE failingnL >>when it tries to build the SAM datafiles. My theory at this point was thatK >>the older software was crashing out because I am using an ODS-5 disk (forH >>whatever reason).r >>J >>I have a second server (VAX) running the same version of PW successfullyI >>so I copied the SAM datafiles across, edited the LANMAN.INI accordinglysL >>and re-ran PWRK$CONFIG. Lo-and-behold the procedure ran through and worked >>perfectly. >>L >>So starting up PW gets about half of the processes running. PWRK$KNBDAEMON >>fails as follows,  >>E >>       Fri Jan 28 10:19:34 2005 get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0d >>E >>This is definitely a TCPWare issue as switching to UCX resolves thecF >>problem (although for various other reasons I don't want to use UCX) >>J >>I think I am banging my head off a wall here, some combination of ODS-5,K >>Pathworks & TCPWare is combining to cause me grief. Being only a hobbyisteL >>I don't have resources to get newer versions of Pathworks, I don't suppose >>anyone can oblige?   >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 13:36:55 -0800 From: tim.beaudin@hp.com2 Subject: Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ ApacheC Message-ID: <1106948215.664299.273700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    try [.lib32]LIBCLNTSH.SO   Timc   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 16:46:03 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com2 Subject: Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ ApacheC Message-ID: <1106959563.103516.196540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>"  F Thanks again for the info. Man, I am just tearing my hair (what littleF I have left) out here. I found a note mentioning the libclntsh.so just? before your post and I tried pointing apache$oci_shr as well as B php$oci_shr to it but I still get the same result. My php_info.phpF shows all the OCI stuff and oracle stuff undefined. And my script that, attempts an oracle login gets the following:  2 <p>Attempting database connection...</p></p><br />9 <b>Warning</b>:  ocinlogon(): _oci_open_server: XU=F9{ inp <b>/apache$common/php/sc9 ripts/current_temperature.php</b> on line <b>15</b><br /> F .=2E.FAILED. Check the username, passwd, dbstring given in this script are valid o 
 r not.</p>  D This is really frustrating-- the only thing that changed is that theC system was rebooted so I must have missed a logical name somewhere.uD Unfortunately, I can't figure it out. I've tried every combination IE can think of with modifiying the logicals and stopping and restarting D Apache. And I made the mods to the PHP ini file. My Apache login.com- has the line to execute the Orauser.com file.l  ) Any recommendations would be appreciated.-   Thanks.- Bill tim.beaudin@hp.com wrote:3 > try [.lib32]LIBCLNTSH.SO >=20 > Tim@   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:42 -0700s% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>0 Subject: Re: PWS600au bootA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050128140235.023a22a8@raptor.psccos.com>n  + At 11:24 AM 1/28/2005, Graham Burley wrote:S >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > >i >.  > > dkb0     Toshiba CD XM-6302B > > dva0 > > ewa0 > > pkc0 > > pqa0 > > pqb0 >e >h. >If you have no pkb0 how can you have a dkb0 ? >eD >pqb0 implies you should have dqb0 and that your CD is IDE not SCSI. >a >What's the OS_TYPE set to ?  C Well, problem solved.  I had already ensured the console was set to A GRAPHICS and had set OS_TYPE to VMS.  I had turned the system offsH and left it overnight.  Today when I hooked it back up again and poweredF it up to ensure all the posted suggestions were covered, this time theH CD came up as DQB0 instead of DKB0.  This is proper (as was pointed out,G there was no PKB0 controller).  I booted a 7.3-2 CD and it came up fine 
 this time.  I I'm kind of thinking the battery may have been getting low and caused therJ console BIOS to get screwed up, or that a power cycle was necessary to getE everything set properly for the SRM.  But all's well that end's well!r  # Thanks to everybody for their help!o     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 13:18:18 -0800# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com>a Subject: Re: Setting colorssC Message-ID: <1106947098.736183.260910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>t  G Well... after fiddling with this some more I've found that if I set thelD color depth to 8 planes (pseudocolor) that a number of color-relatedB issues disappear.  Not sure why... but the style manager would notA allow "changing" the colors directly.  Also, an older specializedrF application that we use wouldn't recognize that color was available at7 all until I reduced the bit depth to 8.  So... 8 it is.u   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 11:04:41 -0800/ From: "puckout2@yahoo.com" <puckout2@yahoo.com>s Subject: Re: Tivoli SRMeC Message-ID: <1106939081.594317.197100@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>e  B I've got that one, storage manager does reporting and such on diskF devices. I'm hoping that someone has been able to find the OS specific or generic agent.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:53:40 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: Tivoli SRMn@ Message-ID: <41faa655$0$819$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   puckout2@yahoo.com wrote:e  D > I've got that one, storage manager does reporting and such on diskH > devices. I'm hoping that someone has been able to find the OS specific > or generic agent.. >     Appmind says it supports Tivoli.2 http://www.appmind.com/under.asp?menu=1&sub_menu=2  A CommandLogix - Power Center says it integrates with Tivoli TME 10t7 http://www.commandlogix.com/index.cgi?section=frontpageYN http://www.commandlogix.com/index.cgi?section=products,subsection=products-top  E Heroix Corporation's Heroix eQ Management Suite they have Enterprise t2 Connectors which integrate with Tivoli and others.8 http://www.heroix.com/products/detail_heq_connectors.htmG For their RoboMon Product they have the Maestro OpenVMS Extended Agent h for Tivoli Workload Schedulerw9 http://www.heroix.com/Downloads/pdf/Datasheet_Maestro.pdf   G Itheon Ltd (formerly Heroix UK) offers Tivoli Workload Scheduler (TWS) dB OpenVMS Extended Agent which I believe is essentially the same as H Maestro, but integrates with their own Itheon Availability Manager (iAM) branded management Suite.  http://www.itheon.comf0 http://www.itheon.com/downloads/pdf/data_tws.pdf  H Nastel Technologies, Inc. - AutoPilot Application Platform -- real-time H application and EAI monitoring integrates WebSphere MQ and has a Tivoli 3 Adapter. I'm not sure how far the VMS support goes.)- http://www.nastel.com/products/overview.shtml-  H And just to be a little more complete, a link to the StorServer product  which you already know...F1 STORServer, Inc. - ABC for Tivoli Storage ManagerDQ http://www.storsol.com/main.cfm?menu=2&submenu=abc&detail=include/abcoverview.cfmb  " Not sure if any of this helps you.   Cheers!t   K.C.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:44:42 +0000 (UTC) . From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Trouble starting CSWB 2.0 (Apache)o1 Message-ID: <newscache$iut1bi$ke32$1@news.sil.at>   X In article <10vi5jooq4nmmc6@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:A >I've installed the latest CSWB (2.0) and cannot get it to start.h< >When I run HTTPD from the command line I get the following, >nE >    [Thu Jan 27 16:19:49 2005] [crit] (6)no such device or address:   >alloc_listener:+ >    failed to get a socket for 192.168.0.8hE >    Syntax error on line 196 of /apache$root/000000/conf/httpd.conf:a >    Listen setup failed >  >Line 196 reads as follows,  >. >    Listen 192.168.0.8:80 >sG >I changed this from the default (Listen 80) which was also failing on s >getting a socket on 0.0.0.0.o  M Do you have the required privs (OPER) to start it on a privileged port (80) ?t) Try it with a nonpriv port (8000 ?) also.r  ) >Log files hold no clues that I can find.  >rF >Although I've got TCPIP & TCPWare installed, TCPIP is not started. I N >originally had TCPIP but found it lacking so put TCPWare on as well. Nothing : >else seems to mind so I'm assuming this is not a problem.  4 You assume right, but it depends on the patch level.I There were patches required (for both TCPIP and TCPware, but also VMS) toe run CSWS V2.M                                                           Anyway if I try to  N >deinstall TCPIP it warns about dependencies on VMS itself, so I've chickened 
 >out of this.@  = There should be no problem with dependencies of VMS on TCPIP.b6 TCPIP is dependant on OpenVMS not the other way round." Might be another layered product ?? $ PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT TCPIP/FULL should listen all such infos.    >Any help greatly appreciated. >W >System Details  >==========o; >               Hardware type: Digital Personal WorkStationa3 >               Software type: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1y  9 V8.2 is current and you should upgrade to at least V7.3-2   , >              DECnet address: 21.12 (21516)5 >           System disk space: 816860 blocks (2047Mb)s7 >             Physical memory: 1048576 pagelets (512Mb)e" >         CPUs (total/active): 1/1! >                     Cluster: Non% >           Global pages free: 803120 " >        Global sections free: 132$ >               Pagefile free: 66048$ >            Global page file: 49408$ >             Bug check fatal: FALSE) >          Virtual page count: 2147483647  >  >Network >======sH >Product:  DECNET        Node:  xxxxx                Address(es):  21.12M >Product:  TCPWARE       Node:  xxxxx     Address(es):  127.0.0.1 192.168.0.8 H >Product:  TCP/IP        Node:  <TCPIP host/node name not yet available> >Address(es):  0.0.0.0 >e >Installed Products 
 >============f= >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------ 6 >PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE= >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------ : >CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Installed: >CPQ AXPVMS CSWB V1.4                Full LP     Installed: >CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V2.0                Full LP     Installed: >CPQ AXPVMS GTK V1.2-10              Full LP     Installed: >CPQ AXPVMS OPL V1.0-0A7             Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.3-1        Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS DFU V2.7-A               Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Installed: >DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS TNT V3.2-C               Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Installed: >HP AXPVMS SSL V1.2                  Full LP     Installed: >JFP AXPVMS ZLIB V1.1-4              Full LP     Installed= >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------d >e" >Latest TCPWare 5.6 patch applied.. >All relevant OpenVMS & CSWB patches applied.    Then, I don't know yet.    -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 19:46:15 -0800 From: treack21@hotmail.comI Subject: TURN $10 INTO $100,000 WITH PAYPAL!! CHECK THIS OUT!! IT WORKS!!oC Message-ID: <1106970375.967326.262400@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>h  + This is your once in a lifetime Opportunitym  B How to Turn $10 into $327,680 in 6 Weeks with PayPal!  PLEASE TAKE1 20 MINUTES TO READ THIS, TRUST ME IT IS WORTH IT.i  D I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH MONEY CAME FLOODING INTO MY PAYPAL@ ACCOUNT.  I turned $10 into $327,680 within the first 6 weeks ofD operating the business plan that I am about to reveal to you. If you; decide to take action on the following instructions, I will C personally GUARANTEE that you will enjoy a similar return!   Please C do not be skeptical about this program. At least think about it for3B a few days. Otherwise you will be throwing away over three hundred% thousand dollars in cash! -  Michael.-     Dear Friend:  A I have no idea at this point whether what I am about to reveal tolC you is actually going to work but I have testimonies from others to ? say that it has, and for no other reason than I believe that it D might, I have decided to do exactly what the person who sent me this. program did, and who knows...it may just work.  B What did it say in that email? What were those simple instructions@ that made me feel like having a go? Well, if you'll read on, all@ will be revealed! Sit down with a refreshment drink because this2 takes a lot reading but, BELIEVE ME IT'S WORTH IT!   THE OUTLINEt  ; First, let me assure you that this is a legitimate businessh7 opportunity, a perfectly legal money making enterprise.a  B It does not require you to sell anything.  It does not require youA to speak to your friends, family, or anybody else unless you want-A to. In fact, you do not need to come into contact with any people ? whatsoever.  Anyone with a pulse can become successful and makeC their fortune with this system.w  C If you believe that 'every dog has his day', then follow the simpleb1 step-by-step plan exactly as it is set out below.,  A If you do this and this alone, I GUARANTEE that within the next 6fE weeks you will receive over $300,000 in cash via your PayPal account.e  B I know that this must sound like an outrageous claim, particularly@ if you've never had possession of this sort of money before, butC believe me, this business works like nothing else you may have seen- before in your life!  ? By following the simple 3-step plan set out below, within a few3A short weeks your life will be transformed beyond all recognition!$  = Please do not allow your initial skepticism to deprive you oftB certain financial success.  If you decide not to take advantage of? this life-changing opportunity, I would like you to know that IlC sincerely respect your decision and I understand that you will have/A your reasons.  I therefore wish you the very best of luck for the  future.   B I am able to say this with absolute sincerity because, as you willC see, if you decide to work this plan, I won't receive any financial > compensation from you whatsoever. After all, I am sharing this system with you for free.Y  C However, remember life is short.  Your maximum risk is $10! This is:A not a financial decision that matters. There really is nothing atuC stake here.  Nobody has ever said that you can't have the financialnA freedom to do what you want to do, or when you want to do it. Butn you must first pay the price.t  2 The price here is action.  It's as simple as that!      C THIS IS THE CHEAPEST, EASIEST, & FASTEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY ON-LINE!w PERIOD!L  ? Remember, I am not asking you to send me a single cent for thisxD lucrative business project. You will not be asked to buy anything or@ sacrifice your free time. You will make some fast and easy cash,A using just a copy of this email and the simplest and most popular % Internet payment system in existence!n  D You have most likely seen or heard about this project on TV programsB such as Twenty/Twenty and Oprah Winfrey or you may have read aboutD it in the Wall Street Journal.  If not, here it is below -- revealed to you in step-by-step detail.  A This program is by no means new. It has been in existence in manyeB forms for at least ten years. But in the early days, it required a? lot more time and effort, as well as an outlay of a few hundred C dollars.  However, thanks to PayPal and the Internet, the outlay isuA now virtually ZERO! On top of that, the entire process is EASIER,n1 FASTER, and MORE LUCRATIVE than it has EVER been!H  A If you're already running a home business, you can easily do thisuA one along with it. If not, this is the EASIEST and FASTEST way toI> earn serious money on-line that you've ever seen so far in the history of the Internet!  = This program works no matter what country you are in, or whattA currency you use.  It doesn't matter how old or how young you aresA and you certainly won't need any special knowledge or talent. You @ won't need to run a website, make phone calls, make photocopies,? send out letters through the mail, or pay for advertising, etc.   " The only things you will need are:   An email address;a  C A Premier or Business PayPal account with at least $10 deposited iny it; anda   30 minutes of your time.  D This program takes just half an hour to set up. After that, there isC absolutely no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you willsA stand to gain many thousands of dollars within the next few weeks # from those 30 minutes of easy work!a  A Yes, I know, it sounds too good to be true! I thought exactly the 0 same thing myself until I actually tried it out!  B Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it,4 but do yourself a big favor and DO THIS ONE as well.  B You have absolutely NOTHING to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-B CHANGING amount of money within the next few weeks! In fact, thereB is NO LIMIT to the amount of income you can generate from this one single business program!  @ The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand dollars< REALLY FAST, then this program is the way to do it! It's theD CHEAPEST, EASIEST, FASTEST, and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate in!e  D Please be sure to read this entire page.  Take your time.  Come back@ to it.  Go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can certainlyB promise you that!  If you don't have time to read all of this now,B then save this page, or add it to your watch list, so you can come back to it later.k  3 PayPal Account & an Email address are all you need!A  D Just about everyone has heard about PayPal (if you haven't, you will@ soon).  And when I came across this concept I knew it would work? because, as a member of PayPal, I had already experienced their " efficiency and excellent standing.  > PayPal is the simplest method of making and receiving paymentsB online that anyone has ever seen! Anyone with an email address can? join for FREE! Once you have a PayPal account, you can send andrA receive credit card payments to or from anyone -- anywhere in the  world!  @ Please read further before you go there... You can complete thisD whole process within just half an hour and you will NEVER forget the day you decided to do so!!!g  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------E     TESTIMONIALS  ; NEED PROOF? Here are just 4 testimonials from the countlessnC individuals who decided to invest nothing more than $10 and half an-2 hour of their time to participate in this program:  > To date, I have made over $1,100,100. Even now as I write this? letter to you, I find it strange to come to terms with the factdB that, like most people, I've worked hard and struggled all my lifeC just to get by and then something so ridiculously simple drops intoyB my lap and turns my life around almost immediately. When you thinkB back to all the similar things I've thrown in the bin, it makes me; shudder because I know just how close I came to missing out>" completely. - David Rhodes, Perth.  D What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago,C and although I haven't made 10 grand yet, I'm already up to $6,135.s9 I'm absolutely gob smacked. -  Alan Humphries, Leicester.r  C This is Lisa. Well, what can I say? THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40 e-a> mails out like you said and then I just forgot about the wholeA thing. To be honest, I didn't really think anything would come ofi@ it. But when I checked my PayPal account a week later, there wasB over $3,000 in it! After 30 days I now have over $11,000 to spend!9 I can't thank you enough! -   Lisa McDonald, Northampton.R  D I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my PayPalC account. Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to $7,449.a= At first, I thought there had been some sort of error with myt) account! -   Richard Barrie, Cirencester.t  ? Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same 4 thing as you are at this very moment - reading this!  @ But because they decided to follow the simple instructions givenD below, they are now considerably better off as a result. And there'sD no reason whatsoever why you can't share in this success. You've got( nothing to lose, and EVERYTHING to gain!  C Let's get started.  Just follow the instructions exactly as set outeB below and then prepare yourself for a HUGE influx of cash over the
 next 6 weeks!.  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------e   HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. . .u  D (THESE STEPS HAVE BEEN TESTED AND TWEAKED TO WORK PERFECTLY.  FOLLOW= THESE INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY - FAILURE TO DO SO WILL REDUCE THE  EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM).   STEP 1  C Okay, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing yousD need to do is use the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just a few minutes!   Here's the link to join:  A https://www.paypal.com/us/mrb/pal=W574LAC6NRAWW  (Press Control +a Click)  B Be sure to click on the link so you can sign up for a free PREMIERD or BUSINESS (not PERSONAL) account only. Otherwise you won't be able2 to receive credit card payments from other people.  : PayPal will also give you $5 when you verify your account.   STEP 2  B It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give in= order to receive. So the first thing to do once you have youruC Premier/Business PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a single $10nB payment from your PayPal account to the FIRST email address in theE list below, along with a note saying: "Please accept this free gift."e  > Be certain to add this note, as this helps to keep the program legal!  C Instructions on how to send a payment are under "SEND MONEY" at thecA PayPal site. It's so Easy!  When you send your $10 payment to thepD first address in the list, do it with a great big smile on your face( because "as you sow, so shall you reap!"   Here's the current list:  - *********************************************  1 treack  @hotmail.com   2 lmhlmh2575  @yahoo.com   3 fushizzzzle  @yahoo.coms   4 iluvmylady  @hotmail.com   5 makethedonuts  @hotmail.com     - *********************************************f  E After you have transferred a $10 payment to treack  @hotmail.com, the2 email address at the> top of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you an: indescribable, overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction in the program.  D You've just proved to yourself that, because you have done it, thereD must be a great number of other people ready to do exactly the same.C Thus you have now seen for yourself, first hand, that this businessn actually works!    STEP 3  D Once you've sent a $10 payment to the address at the top of the listC (along with your note - this is VERY important), the next thing you D need to do is to obtain a text copy of this email message, as you'll( be sending it out to at least 40 people.  ? The copy that you will send out will contain YOUR unique PayPalcD referral URL and YOUR email address at number 5 in the list - havingB deleted the address at Number 1 in the list, and moving the others up a position.  ! The easiest way to do this is to:s  A (A) Go to your toolbar (at the very top of the screen) and selectg EDIT and then SELECT ALL.t  : (B) Go to the toolbar again and select EDIT and then COPY.  C (C) Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone canh
 view it!).  0 (D) Fill in your email address and subject line.  ? (E) Go to EDIT and PASTE to paste this text into your new emailtA message. Now you can edit this email message in any way you want!n  A The first thing to edit is the email addresses in the list above. ; Delete the top email address, and then move the others up aMC position, and then add YOUR email address to the bottom of the list4 (the number 5 position).  > Be sure to use your email address that is associated with your@ PayPal account.  But DO NOT forget to send $10 via PayPal (alongA with your note!) to the email address at position number 1 before @ deleting it!  Don't be tempted to add your name to position 1 in5 order to earn money fast!  It doesn't work like that!>  @ If you do that, you will ONLY reach the people you directly sendB emails to, and then your name will be immediately removed from theC No.1 place and you won't reach thousands of people! But, if you addr; your name to the Number 5 position, there will be literally1D thousands of people receiving and sending e-mail's later - when your name is at the Number 1 spot!   B Now you need to edit the PayPal referring URL (shown above in StepB 1) with your own PayPal referring URL. You can find YOUR referringA URL at PayPal site after you join. Just look at the bottom of thee first page once you sign into-  > PayPal, and click on the "referrals" link. You will be given aA referring URL similar to the one above, except the code number atVD the end will be different. Simply delete the current PayPal referralB URL in Step 1 above, and replace it with your PayPal referral URL.  C Once you've edited your email message as outlined above, send out aoD minimum of 40 copies of this email - but only to people you know, orA to people who respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOUt  offers. Please do not send SPAM!  C By sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response timee@ is EXTREMELY fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!!C That's why it takes only a few days for those $10 payments to start%" flooding into your PayPal account!   THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT!  B The whole process should take you about 30 minutes to complete. BE6 PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED!  ? Half an hour of easy work is all that's needed - no big capitaliC outlay, no postage stamps, no printing, copying or waiting, and thep concept is 100% legal.  @ Within 6 weeks, over $300,000 cash will pass through your PayPal account. And that's GUARANTEED!e  > In fact, you can expect to receive a substantial number of $10B payments within the first few days! Keep a copy of your email safe9 so that you can use it again whenever you need more cash!e  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------      HOW IT WORKS (PLEASE READ):e  C When you send out your emails, your email address will initially besA at Number 5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at - this stage if you want to make serious money.   B The response-rate for this program is much higher than any typicalD email marketing campaign for a number of reasons which are explained later.  > As long as you send your emails to people who are likely to beA interested in this program, on average, you can expect a response<C from at least 20% of the people you send to. But let's be extremelymA conservative here and assume that you receive an average responsen rate of only 12.5%.n  D If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect atE least 5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 = 5).-  B By this time, your email address will have moved up to No.4 in theE list, and this list will now have reached around 200 people (5 x 40).e  > Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them toA participate (12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails B (25 x 40) being sent out and your email address will have risen to No.3 in the list.t  A Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them toFD participate (12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails< (125 x 40) being sent out with you now at the No.2 position.  A Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to B respond (12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40)2 being sent out with YOUR ADDRESS at the No.1 spot!  D Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of themB to respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at> NUMBER 1 in the list, you will receive: $31,250 (3,125 x $10).D Remember, this is just for getting 40 people to read the letter with) a highly conservative 12.5% success rate.e  A So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within theeB next few days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over theC course of 6 weeks, this money will be sent to you by a few thousandeB people just like yourself - who are willing to invest half an hourC to receive around $300,000 or more in cash! The first payments willM? arrive within a few days, and they will continue at the rate ofe- about 100 payments per day for about 40 days.-  C After that time, the volume of payments begins to taper off as yourn, email address vacates the Number 1 position.  ? That's all you need to do! There will be around $300,000 in $10fC payments waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next fewu) weeks. $300,000 for just 30 minutes work!   ; This is real money that you can spend on anything you wish!   B Just deposit it to your own bank account or spend it directly from? your PayPal account! It's just that easy! I think its WORTH IT,,
 don't you?  A But there's more!!! For each person who signs up with PayPal as a D result of using YOUR unique referral URL, you can receive a referral  bonus of up to $100 from PayPal!  B So, you could very easily make an extra few hundred dollars on topB of the amount above! Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming; that 35 out of the 40 people you send your email to will dooD absolutely nothing except delete your email.  However, if you follow> the plan correctly and send your emails only to people who areA likely to want to participate, you can expect a typical response- D rate of around 25%. The 12.5% example is only given as a worst-case-	 scenario.m  A Additionally, the example assumes that each participant will only A send out 40 emails. Imagine what would happen if each participantaA sent out 1,000 emails instead of just 40! Believe me; many people  will do this and much more!J  C FOR THIS TO WORK AS I WANT IT TO WORK, I AM GOING TO NEED THOUSANDSr
 OF PEOPLE!  D Absolutely, but consider this! Literally millions of people surf theD Internet every single day, all over the world! Plus there are 50,000A new people who get on the Internet every month!  People that sendlD you offers by email can provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses to send to.0  C You can also send out emails to all of your family, friends, and toa? anyone who you think would want to invest $10 and 30 minutes of.9 their time to make a substantial lump sum within 6 weeks.   = If you want to operate this business continuously, you should.A consider obtaining bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable A mailing list company. That's how I've managed to stay in businessm for the last 2 years.e  A If you already have a legitimate mailing list, then this would be @ the most profitable way to make use of it. Unlike many other MLM2 programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only $10.  = That's right, only $10 ONCE, which is much more realistic andt@ provides much, much faster results. Only the first person on theC list gets your $10 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that ? Number 1 position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No B cheating can occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can9 be cheated) as PayPal only allows one account per person.   E Because it is so easy, the response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST -eB Internet email FAST, and you will start seeing dramatic results in7 less than one week! JUST IN TIME FOR NEXT MONTHS BILLS!    PLEASE DO NOT SPAM!   D Do NOT send this out to complete strangers who have not asked to seeC it. It destroys the credibility of the program and you can get into A serious trouble with the law. You need only mail out 40 copies to4? start with. Start right away, and send to personal contacts andhC reply to people who send their programs to you, as they are alreadye> working on the web. They know these programs work and they areC already believers in the system! This is NOT considered SPAM if youm? are responding to other people's offers, or sending to friends, B family and contacts, or if you are using a legitimate opt-in list.  A So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a . huge influx of cash within the next 6 weeks!!!  2 FIVE FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM SO SUCCESSFUL:   EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSEp   EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE RATE   HIGHLY DUPLICATABLEo   UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL  & QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED  A Because of the EXTREMELY SMALL INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT C POTENTIAL, this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from>C just a simple email and one simple $10 PayPal transaction! In fact, A this program has faster results, and a higher response rate, thane= any other Internet program you could possibly participate in!a  @ For most email marketing campaigns, the average response rate is? between 0.5% and 5%. However, this particular program typically B generates a response rate of between 20% and 30%. This is because,C this program is so easy to implement.  It costs next to nothing, it?? takes just 30 minutes to implement, and the results can be seen2 within days.  C I've been watching this type of program for years and this is aboutP? as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, nogB printed copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This+ program really keeps it "short and simple"!3   UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL!m  @ This program is based on you only sending 40 emails to start offD with. However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as many@ emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send have a return of ATB LEAST $300,000 WITHIN 6 WEEKS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, orC whatever, GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUTc OF IT!  C However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the C list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats thecD other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right toA be there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will{ come to you!  ; You are probably skeptical of this, especially with all the1B different programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this? you will never know. I felt exactly the same as you probably dot@ right now. I wanted to believe but I just couldn't help thinkingA that there was some sort of catch. But then I realized that I had,C absolutely nothing to lose. After all, I was    only being asked towC invest a measly $10, and yet I could earn many thousands of dollars D within a month and a half. And all for just half an hour of my time!  C Therefore I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. ThiseD took me around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that!  D To get started, just use the URL link in Step 1 above to sign up for, a free PayPal Premier (or Business) account.  D But please play by the rules! This program doesn't cost anything butD $10 and about half an hour of your time, and if everyone plays fair, everyone WINS!!y  B So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you toA make over $300,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that B can hold you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief.  B However, any doubts you may currently have will disappear within aB few days of putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You certainly won't regret it.  0 SOME NOTES FROM PAYPAL WHICH YOU MAY FIND USEFUL  C PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world'sp= Number 1 online payment service. PayPal is accepted on over 3,D million eBay auctions as well as a countless number of online shops.A You can also use PayPal to pay your friends - for example, it's a2@ convenient way to split the phone bill with your room-mate, send@ cash to your kids in college, or send cash to someone in another country.  A Better yet, you can also earn referral bonuses of up to $100 eache5 time someone signs up for a PayPal account using yourh  D URL!  When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments' with your credit card or check account.-  @ You won't have to worry about your privacy, because PayPal keepsC your accounting information safe and secure. Making a purchase withoD PayPal is far more secure than mailing a check or giving your creditA card number to a stranger. That's why over 56 MILLION people from * around the world use PayPal to move money.  B Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it takes only aD couple of minutes. If you have not done so, sign up now for a PayPalD account by clicking(Control and click or copy and paste) on the link below:  / https://www.paypal.com/us/mrb/pal=W574LAC6NRAWWs    D Does this sound too good to be true?  Perhaps, but I believe that itA WILL work for me, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now. IlB think this could be the best investment of your time you will ever@ make. So, just make another nice copy and get started on it now.A After all, you can't lose, but you stand to gain more in the next C few weeks than many people earn in a year!  Thank you and good luck  in your ventures!-     Best Regards   Eachu      P.S. WHAT IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS?c  B After you've read this, think about it for a while, then come back@ and check the traffic counter at the bottom of the page (counterD included only if you found this on eBay listing).   I GUARANTEE thatD at least 100 people will look at this. Remember that at least 20% ofC viewers will try this out.  Then ask yourself: "Can I afford NOT to2 give this a go?"  * AS AN EBAY PRODUCT - WHAT AM I BIDDING ON?  @ You are bidding on the text-only version of this sales letter soD that you can create your own emails in any software program.  If youB don't have 40 people to mail to, you can also sell this program on@ eBay, like me. When you win this auction, I will show you how toB easily list this idea as an auction and get at least 100 people toA look at it - EVEN IF YOU HAVE NEVER SOLD ANYTHING ON EBAY BEFORE.gA Do you realize the difference having 100 people look at this ideaw instead of just 40 will make?t  A If 20% of people reading about this idea follow these directions,s  then you will make $160,000,000!  B If just 10% of viewers follow these directions, then you will make $10,000,000!  @ If only 2% (highly unlikely) of viewers follow these directions, then you will make $16,000!h  B I can even get someone to help you set this up on eBay if you want me to.  C REMEMBER - in order for me to make my fortune, I have to follow thesC rules and help you to do the same.... I will give 110% to make sureh you are successful.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:38:27 -0500i= From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com>n$ Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh, Message-ID: <FYidnVyuSKa5dGfcRVn-hA@dls.net>  : "David Jones" <david-m-jones@nospam.net> wrote in message 8 news:uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com...A > Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh?oG > I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad filem) > number" error on attempts to check out., >l > Thanks - DMJ >e  J I have one but it requires a special SSH image that I had to put together $ before severing my ties with TCP/IP.  F You define a symbol/logical to get the special SSH image, and all CVS  features appear to work.  " Contact me if you want the images.   johnPERIODgATosscDOTnet    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2005 18:28:44 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)BC Subject: What happened to Spiralog (was: Re: OpenVMS file systems ) 3 Message-ID: <LgYSemmAOFuR@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  c In article <WIynlgseMtAN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: \ > In article <BE1F7D9C.56FE%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes: > M >> Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next greats >> open file system. > D > DEC/Compaq discovered what many of us suspected during their earlyL > technology discussions - the world has very few write-mostly applications. > L > Once one introduced reading into the mix, performance gains went negative. >   ; 	Hmmm... not to read too much into that statement Larry butd? 	you make it sound like a performance problem snuck up on them.t  B http://research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJM01/DTJM01HM.HTM  I The Spiralog file system contains a number of innovations in the areas oftH on-line backup, log-structured storage, clusterwide ordered write-behind2 caching, and multiple-file-system client support.   O The use of log structuring as an on-disk format is very effective in supporting F high-performance, on-line backup. The Spiralog file system retains theJ previously documented benefits of LFS, such as fast write performance thatL scales with the disk size and throughput that increases as large read caches are used to offset disk reads.   > The project was cancelled.   	Agreed.  @ 	Here's my take.  Someone that knows what they are talking about@ 	mentioned border conditions being an issue (nearly full or fullG 	Spiralog volumes) - something that was very fixable - that contributedc 	to the nixing of Spiralog.   < 	Today , I'd say the majority of disk that VMS writes to andF 	reads from is Enterprise based storage. 80-90%? Whether HSG/EVA, EMC, 	HDS or dare say IBM.  d  B 	I've seen cases of *average* reads (1000s of reads, not a handfulB 	- not playing statistical games here) of less than 3 millisecondsF 	to 9 GByte drives, writes much faster (write-back cache).  How/why?  C 	Taking 1 GByte slices , stripe/mirror and make LUNs.  The 1 GByte bD 	slice is a small portion of a large disk - seeks are short and you B 	always have the other mirror member to read from if current head  	position isn't the best.:  D 	The problem Spiralog was "solving" in a real sense went away.  LookC 	at the link and how often "write behind" shows up.  Today, you can @ 	say "so what?"  Most of my writes complete in less than or near 	a millisecond..  D 	So Spiralog while a great idea - and something I still am fond of -C 	is 1996 technology.  In 2005, *most* VMS storage would have littlef? 	use for such technology.  Hardware has obsoleted the problem - > 	for the most part.  And a "pig" (compared to many others - no< 	offense to developers) like ODS-2 has had hardware mask itsG 	performance limitations (coupled with a much better VMS cacher - XFC, . 	etc.)  @ 	Which brings up VMS filesystem futures.  Surely they know theirG 	customer base.  With write-back cache as a given, how to incrementallyID 	develop filesystem improvements?  Do we expect anyone to create new? 	from scratch filesystems?  Linux community?  Okay - but anyoneA% 	else?  Why?  Project Management 101:   * 			"What problem are you trying to solve."  ' 	"Well... we thought it would be cool."N  , 	Not unrelated, check out Rob Pike's lament:  0 http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/rob/utah2000.pdf  * 	"Systems software Research is Irrelevant"  A 	Well sure - the many is in very specialized "Operating Systems" s7 	like Oracle and Google.  Hobbies like Linux of course.I  # 	Picking up on one of his insights:   < 		"Hardware has changed dramatically, software is stagnant."  A 	Of course.  Software is scarily expensive.  It is a business you  	know.    > 	Rob Pike is at Google now where he can work on "one off" OSes 	that have great reward.   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:30:58 -0500V# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: [OT]: What if.....-, Message-ID: <WNidnQvwMIabPGfcRVn-ug@igs.net>  = http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9589_22-5551795.html?tag=nl.e540-2     $ ...." What if Digital had succeeded?F Digital Equipment is the lost tribe of technology. It came up with theG AltaVista search engine, the Alpha and StrongARM processors, and the PCrG lines Venturis and Celebris--easily two of the best space-age gladiatorEG brand names ever. Its heritage can be seen in AMD's Athlon chip and theOI PlayStation 2, and its efforts helped paved the way for Microsoft to selli server software. ...."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:52:13 -0500e' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>i Subject: Re: [OT]: What if.....E* Message-ID: <41FB167D.10108@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:i  ? > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9589_22-5551795.html?tag=nl.e540-2t >  > & > ...." What if Digital had succeeded?H > Digital Equipment is the lost tribe of technology. It came up with theI > AltaVista search engine, the Alpha and StrongARM processors, and the PC I > lines Venturis and Celebris--easily two of the best space-age gladiatorfI > brand names ever. Its heritage can be seen in AMD's Athlon chip and thecK > PlayStation 2, and its efforts helped paved the way for Microsoft to sellt > server software. ...." >  >  >   J Just a point of curosity.  Weren't the StrongARM processors licensed from  another company?   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:56:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>H Subject: Re: [OT]: What if.....eB Message-ID: <1106977504.bd7405283fd7fd05eb4704c8d7cee148@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:  K > Just a point of curosity.  Weren't the StrongARM processors licensed from  > another company?    F From what I recall, Digital got rights from Arm and produced a versionF of Arm called StrongArm. And I am quite sure that it was far more than" just FABbing someone else's chip.   D The what if shoudl have really been "what if Digital had bought both Apple and AMD ?w   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.057 ************************