0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 58      Contents:0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? Re: DCL-W-OKTAB?P Re: does any one know of location on architecture of VMS i.e in graphical form f- Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary # Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS 
 MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem 6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated) Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ Apache  Re: Setting colors Re: [OT]: What if.....  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:05:18 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia ( Message-ID: <opslddi4o1zgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On 28 Jan 2005 22:02:27 -0600, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>   wrote:  G > In article <1106969305.884841.192380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,   ( > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > 2 >>> >>> Might be better to say "case insensitive". >>> > ) >>> > A smoother wording is "case-blind".  >>>  >>> Yes, I like that better. >>  >> How about "caseless letters"? > 2 > That defeats the existing parallel construction: > 
 > 	case-blind  > 	case-preserving > 	case-sensitive   K I recall seeing a PhD thesis some twenty or so years ago that discussed the I issues, needless to say I found it rather booring and don't recall mush   
 other thanF the title, something like, "On the case for Miniscules and Majuscules"     --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:13:13 -0000 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 6 Message-ID: <41fbc428$0$26019$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41F71A2C.17C3202B@teksavvy.com... > Keith Cayemberg wrote:- > > *OS Name*                       _OpenVMS_  > = > I woudl put in  "VMS" since this is what it was created as.  >    Wrong.  9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_001.html#vms2   
 From the FAQ.   4  2.2 What is the difference between VMS and OpenVMS?  L VMS and OpenVMS are two names for the same operating system. Originally, theG operating system was called VAX-11/VMS; it changed to VAX/VMS at around 
 VAX/VMS V2.0.    Alex   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:40:25 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? ) Message-ID: <ctg07p$33r$1@news.BelWue.DE>   ` In article <41FB0531.61F0888A@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote: >>  	 >> Hello,  >>  K >> what does %DCL-W-OKTAB mean beyond "command tables are already in latest  >> format"?  > $ >In response to what command string?  L This is the error I find in the HTTP_STARTUP.LOG and in NETSERVER.LOG when I1 try to start the OSU WWWserver after a reboot :-(    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2005 08:09:13 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? 3 Message-ID: <BrwbVRtJ4rje@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <ctg07p$33r$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:b > In article <41FB0531.61F0888A@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >>Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >>> 
 >>> Hello, >>> L >>> what does %DCL-W-OKTAB mean beyond "command tables are already in latest >>> format"? >>% >>In response to what command string?  > N > This is the error I find in the HTTP_STARTUP.LOG and in NETSERVER.LOG when I3 > try to start the OSU WWWserver after a reboot :-(   J But what was the _command_string_ in the log that provoked that response ?  D If it was anything but SET COMMAND, then I would presume the program- being run is returning binary garbage to DCL.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:28:32 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>Y Subject: Re: does any one know of location on architecture of VMS i.e in graphical form f @ Message-ID: <41fb7361$0$806$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Graeme Houston wrote: J > Thanks I am looking for overview of Kernel & System Software to compare C > against the likes of Windows NT IBM OS/2, Linux, BeOS & MacOS etc   E Comparing operating system architectures using simple graphics which  D were prepared by different individuals is problematic in the least, H especially when you consider that the individuals almost certainly have H different ideas of what aspects define an OS. That being said, there is E a traditional graphic of OpenVMS OS structure which can be found (in  C slightly different variations) in most books discussing OpenVMS OS  G architecture. It is sometimes called the "onion" diagram of OpenVMS. I  5 have found on example online in an archived document.    OpenVMS Software Overview . (see section 3.1.1 "OpenVMS Kernel", page 3-2)L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_SW_OVERVIEW.pdf  B The diagram is of course a greatly over-simplified schema of VMS, E providing little information on the nature of the modes, behavior or  H mechanisms hinted at by the dividing lines. If most other pop OS's were I to be compared within the same context, their graphs would would need to  H look like two concentric circles, or 2 boxes with one stacked on top of 
 the other.  I Practically all generic texts and university courses on Operating System  G Design fail to teach the real meaning of a multiple protection ring OS  H architecture. The theme usually only gets a short mention in a historic I context in connection with the MULTICS operating system. This is despite  E the theme representing the highest ideals of an entire generation of  > system software designers at the height of OS design research.  ; I suggest checking out the Multicians at www.multicians.org     H To begin to acquire the real knowledge needed to understand and compare ; OpenVMS architecture I would suggest the following books...   & OpenVMS Operating System Concepts, 2/e: http://www.hp.com/hpbooks/digital_press/dp_1555581579.htmlL http://books.elsevier.com/uk/compaqbookstore/uk/subindex.asp?isbn=1555581579   As already mentioned... 7 Open Vms Axp Internals and Data Structures: Version 1.5 T http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/155558120X/drphilottewell/104-8394014-9215914  7 OpenVMS Alpha Internals: Scheduling and Process Control : http://www.hp.com/hpbooks/digital_press/dp_1555581560.htmlL http://books.elsevier.com/uk/compaqbookstore/uk/subindex.asp?isbn=1555581560  > OpenVMS Alpha Internals and Data Structures: Memory Management: http://www.hp.com/hpbooks/digital_press/dp_1555581595.htmlL http://books.elsevier.com/uk/compaqbookstore/uk/subindex.asp?isbn=1555581595  > Other important books describing important aspects of OpenVMS  architecture...    OpenVMS Calling Standard7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/5973/5973PRO.HTML N http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/ovms_73_call_stand.pdf  # OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual 8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/5841/5841PRO.HTMLO http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_PROG_CON1.PDF O http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_PROG_CON2.PDF    OpenVMS Cluster Systems 8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4477/4477PRO.HTMLU http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_CLUSTER_SYSTEMS.PDF   # HP OpenVMS Guide to System Security C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-q2hlg-te/aa-q2hlg-te.HTMl B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-q2hlg-te/aa-q2hlg-te.PDF    B To really have a feel for what all the grey theory means, I would D suggest experiencing the usage, programming and administration of a F large mission-critical multi-site cluster for a year or two. Then you F will understand why many of us think most negative critics of OpenVMS 4 just haven't really studied, understood and used it.   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:57:49 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary0 Message-ID: <newscache$dw23bi$ci3$1@news.sil.at>  ] In article <jeCKd.7507$JF2.11@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes: B >VMS has had 4 straight quarters of GROWTH, many of which are new - >customers.  You don't kill a profit maker.     $ Where have you been the last years ?= We all saw way too many "They can't be so silly to kill ..."    F We definitely like to see VMS survive, but don't think of asking us to< say HP WILL SAVE VMS. We unfortunately don't believe it YET.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:23:18 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <VqCdnR0CBuARW2bcRVn-iQ@igs.net>   Bill Todd wrote:D > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on theD > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.< > While the former is of course no news here (they do give aG > well-deserved ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of his calls B > during the merger battle, and could have created a great one-twoB > punch by observing that Carly's abject failure to live up to theE > expectations she herself set mirrors that of Itanic), one statement G > in an interview with Rob Enderle ("The interview is an inside look at > > the thinking of one of HP's trusted confidants") stands out: > G > "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying ; > to exit from the operating system business all together."  > F > While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have > been reluctant to accept it.    H Seems to me that Carol J. Loomis, the author of the Fortune article, hasJ taken a position about carly(tm), and HP -- she certainly has the platform from which to do it.  @ I wonder if Ms. Loomis would care to hear about the gutting of aG line-of-business at HP for her next story  -- namelyVMS and the fall in J revenues, the mealy-mouthed 'no comment, it's the quiet period' pre-mergerA when every product was commented on by HP except VMS, the lack of + advertising and marketing of VMS, etc......   I Perhaps a well reasoned, well written e-mail, supplying information is in  order.  , How do I contact a Fortune editor or writer?H Writers can be contacted using the following construction: first initial plus last name@fortunemail.com.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:25:06 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS, Message-ID: <QsWdnf8IHs5qW2bcRVn-jA@igs.net>  L http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=317&item=5951626613 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:43:16 +0000 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: MySQL problem> Message-ID: <1106995590.18439.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net>  2 Got the latest versions of SSL, ZLIB & MySQL from , http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  / When I try to run "MYSQL", I get the following,   2 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LIBZ_SHR32 -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file  5 KYLIE$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][LIBZ]LIBZSHR32-1_1_4.EXE  ;1: -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image   Anyone any ideas?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:24:16 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=  Subject: Re: MySQL problem7 Message-ID: <41fb7267$0$18835$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   4 > Got the latest versions of SSL, ZLIB & MySQL from . > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ > 1 > When I try to run "MYSQL", I get the following,  > 4 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LIBZ_SHR32 > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file  7 > KYLIE$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][LIBZ]LIBZSHR32-1_1_4.EXE  > ;1< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image >  > Anyone any ideas?  >   4 You don't have the right ZLIB installed, the correct and latest which is Zlib V1.2.2   
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2005 05:39:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: MySQL problem3 Message-ID: <S+vBNrQSQ3KD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1106995590.18439.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net>, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:4 > Got the latest versions of SSL, ZLIB & MySQL from . > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ > 1 > When I try to run "MYSQL", I get the following,  > 4 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LIBZ_SHR32 > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file  7 > KYLIE$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][LIBZ]LIBZSHR32-1_1_4.EXE  > ;1< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image >  > Anyone any ideas?   B Of course on getting any such error returned to DCL you should use the command:  
 	HELP/MESSAGE   B It would appear the version of ZLIB you obtained is not compatible' with the version of MYSQL you obtained.   @ You should contact the person who provides technical support for@ that web site and get them to fix their inconsistency.  Ideally,@ they would build all images against the oldest version of VMS on) which it is possible to run their images.   ? If Programming options were not disabled when VMS was installed > on your machine you could try on your own to follow the advice= returned by HELP/MESSAGE (I'm not telling), but that will not > fix it for the next person who gets the software from the same place you did.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:27:03 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated B Message-ID: <1106990165.38be3eb1267fb5f084d35bb8b6e28edf@teranews>   warren sander wrote: > J > I've just created a PDF with the speaker notes. It will be out about 2AM > Eastern time.   D There is a openvms_roadmaps_notes.pdf .... but that document doesn'tH seem to be different from the openvms_roadmaps.pdf and when I open it, I' don't see any notes. Both are 49 pages.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:22:42 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 8 Message-ID: <55rmv0thsq8jk7har8s3nis5d52in31p8d@4ax.com>  K On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:05:19 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >"Craig A. Berry" wrote:H >> FWIW the notes are visible in the PowerPoint version without the needG >> for PowerPoint; it imports just fine into OpenOffice under Mac OS X.  >  > E >If the PDF document is incomplete and lacks many of the text that HP I >intends customers to see, then shouldn't they fix whetever software they C >are using to ensure that the PDF document is in fact complete ????   K The software is fine it's finger trouble on the part of the person who does O Print to PDF file from Powerpoint. The default is Print Slides only you have to 0 tick the box for Notes if that is what you want.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2005 05:41:20 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 3 Message-ID: <hdNm2OUswUtT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <55rmv0thsq8jk7har8s3nis5d52in31p8d@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:M > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:05:19 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > wrote: >  >>"Craig A. Berry" wrote: I >>> FWIW the notes are visible in the PowerPoint version without the need H >>> for PowerPoint; it imports just fine into OpenOffice under Mac OS X. >> >>F >>If the PDF document is incomplete and lacks many of the text that HPJ >>intends customers to see, then shouldn't they fix whetever software theyD >>are using to ensure that the PDF document is in fact complete ???? > M > The software is fine it's finger trouble on the part of the person who does Q > Print to PDF file from Powerpoint. The default is Print Slides only you have to 2 > tick the box for Notes if that is what you want.  G If there is "finger trouble" then the problem with the software is that F it is missing.  Routine production like that should use AppleScript orF whatever the Microsoft equivalent is -- just as production runs on VMSI should be in batch jobs (for a log) driven by command procedures (to give 
 consistency).    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:05:52 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated 8 Message-ID: <271nv0dk44c5jjgt1tknia3glfcer1pu88@4ax.com>  M On 29 Jan 2005 05:41:20 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   ] >In article <55rmv0thsq8jk7har8s3nis5d52in31p8d@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: N >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:05:19 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>	 >> wrote:  >>   >>>"Craig A. Berry" wrote:J >>>> FWIW the notes are visible in the PowerPoint version without the needI >>>> for PowerPoint; it imports just fine into OpenOffice under Mac OS X.  >>>  >>> G >>>If the PDF document is incomplete and lacks many of the text that HP K >>>intends customers to see, then shouldn't they fix whetever software they E >>>are using to ensure that the PDF document is in fact complete ????  >>  N >> The software is fine it's finger trouble on the part of the person who doesR >> Print to PDF file from Powerpoint. The default is Print Slides only you have to3 >> tick the box for Notes if that is what you want.  > H >If there is "finger trouble" then the problem with the software is thatG >it is missing.  Routine production like that should use AppleScript or G >whatever the Microsoft equivalent is -- just as production runs on VMS J >should be in batch jobs (for a log) driven by command procedures (to give >consistency).  O I have no knowledge that it was actually finger trouble but assumed that it was 4 as that is the way that I convert Powerpoint to PDF.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:20:41 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated , Message-ID: <361tjtF4sv56dU1@individual.net>  + On 2005-01-28 23:33, "warren sander" wrote:    > [...]  > J > I thought all the fonts were supposed to be embedded. IF there is a page > where the pdf doesn't F > have all the stuff that the ppt has please let me know what page -- ! > warren.sander@removethis.hp.com  > L > since I have all the font's on my system it's sometimes hard to figure out( > what isn't getting embedded if someone > uses some weird font.  >  > [...]   H "The Road to Itanium" (page 9 of the PDF) is rather "weird" (overlapping3 text, text outside of the coloured boxes) again ;-(    It appears to me that: -G - HP's "corporate" font is "Futura" ("Book", "Light", "Heavy", "Medium" 5 and "Bold" variants as well as "Italic" are embedded) F - page 9 looks fine with PowerPoint on a system *without* the "Futura"F fonts available, i.e., that font family gets replaced with Microsoft's( "standard" non-serif font family "Arial"D - obviously the editing of that page is done on a system without theE "Futura" font family while the conversion to PDF is done on a systeme  with these fonts available  H A similar problem seems to exist on page 41 with the "RTR V4.2 ..." text box.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2005 00:56:05 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com2 Subject: Re: Problems with Oracle 9i / PHP/ ApacheC Message-ID: <1106988965.378475.289900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G Hello again. I apologize for wasting everyone's time with this. I found 4 the problem (at least I think so-- it works now...).  G It appears that the VMS update may have caused the problem, rather than F my forgetting a logical name. After trying every config option I couldD think of, I ended up removing PHP and then CSWS Apache, rebooting. IC then reinstalled CSWS and then PHP, defined the logical to point to F ora_root:[lib32]libclntsh.so and added the orauser again to the Apache( login.com and my scripts now work again.  E As far as I can tell, here is all that is required to get PHP to talk 1 to Oracle using Oracle 9.2, CSWS 2.0 and PHP 1.2:   , - Add the following to the Apache login.com: $ @oracle_home:orauser <sid>4 $ define apache$oci_shr ora_root:[lib32]libclntsh.so  ; - Uncomment the Oracle and OCI lines from the php.ini file.   C I have seen conflicting info on the web about the php$ .vs. apache$ A logicals above. According to the HP release notes the apache$ one C replaces the php$ and it works for me with just the apache$ logical C defined. There is also conflicting information about putting in the C orauser.com .vs. just defining a few logicals in the login.com. The E only way I have gotten it to work reliably was using the orauser.com.   > So, for anyone else updating VMS, keep in mind that installingC VMS731_UPDATE V5.0 or VMS731_PCSI V2.0 it could cause problems like  this.   G Also, here's another FYI regarding Python. The whole reason I installed A the VMS updates was that the release notes for Python said it was G required. After doing the updates and installing Python however I found F that it still would give me the equivalent of a share ID mismatch withE the DEC C shareable. I have DEC C 6.5 with the latest shareable image ( for VMS 7.3-1 but I still got the error.  F Because of this I decided to just build it from source. If you need toA build Python from source (using build_all.com), _DON'T_ just do a E submit of this file. At the end it asks several questions about extra F modules to build. Rather than running out of input and terminating, itD goes into an infinite loop asking the question over and over and you  end up with a massive log file.    Thanks.  Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:56:47 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Setting colors 2 Message-ID: <P%QKd.6881$mA7.5228@news.cpqcorp.net>  B X11 allowed applications to shoot themselves in the foot by havingF dependencies on the pixel format.  That explains your old application.  H The style manager does the on-the-fly color changes in 8-bit pseudocolorJ because it is simply twiddling the colormap.  To do this in TruColor wouldF require somehow telling all applications to change the values of theirI pixels and repaint.  Poor planning, since too much state can be known and " perhaps cached by the application.      . "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote in message= news:1106947098.736183.260910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... I > Well... after fiddling with this some more I've found that if I set the F > color depth to 8 planes (pseudocolor) that a number of color-relatedD > issues disappear.  Not sure why... but the style manager would notC > allow "changing" the colors directly.  Also, an older specialized H > application that we use wouldn't recognize that color was available at9 > all until I reduced the bit depth to 8.  So... 8 it is.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:59:54 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: [OT]: What if..... ( Message-ID: <opsldc94fhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:52:13 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>    wrote:   > John Smith wrote:  > @ >> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9589_22-5551795.html?tag=nl.e540-2) >>   ...." What if Digital had succeeded? I >> Digital Equipment is the lost tribe of technology. It came up with the J >> AltaVista search engine, the Alpha and StrongARM processors, and the PCJ >> lines Venturis and Celebris--easily two of the best space-age gladiatorJ >> brand names ever. Its heritage can be seen in AMD's Athlon chip and theI >> PlayStation 2, and its efforts helped paved the way for Microsoft to    >> sell  >> server software. ...."  >> > H > Just a point of curosity.  Weren't the StrongARM processors licensed   > from another company? K Yes, the guys from Acorn Computer in Cambridge started a new company, IIRC.  >  > Dave >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.058 ************************