0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 60      Contents:% Re: ANAL/MEDIA/EXER on a modern disk? P Re: Clarify: What's going on with VMS on Itanium and other xx86xx chips chipschi% Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing % Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing 0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? Re: DCL-W-OKTAB?& Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL?& Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL?- Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary ! Re: General mount/shadow command? ' Re: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS  Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! " Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: PDFs for HP C docs Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIP  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:35:20 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: ANAL/MEDIA/EXER on a modern disk?- Message-ID: <874qh1r813.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:  - > A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...   ? > We used to be able to test and exercise new disks (or destroy @ > sensitive data from old disks) with the ANALYZE/MEDIA/EXERCISED > command, or way back in time, the BAD utility under RSX. Alas withD > modern "smart" devices, these no longer function. If my disks were? > in an HSx array, I could run DILX to accomplish this purpose.   A Yeah, one of the `we are here to help you' items. It is not quite ' 20 years since I asked DEC to fix that.   F > But what do you do these days to beat up new or used disks when theyE > are just JBOD drives on some random SCSI controller? ANAL/DISK/READ F > only hits used blocks, and doesn't do any writes. INIT/ERASE doesn't( > seem like what I'm looking for either.  E Create a file that fills the disk, then del/era it. Doing it on a HSx - is good, it then does the work, not your CPU!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:27:11 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com Y Subject: Re: Clarify: What's going on with VMS on Itanium and other xx86xx chips chipschi - Message-ID: <87ekg5pr28.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   C > The failure of IA64 won't necessarily end its life. But it may be F > used as an excuse to end its life. Look at Tru64. It was doing well,E > but because they decided that the *features* of HP UX could replace D > those of Tru64, they didn't feel it necessary to port Tru64 beyond > Alpha.  E The PHUX over T64 choise is sort of understandable. PHUX has a *HUGE* B software base, bigger than any other unix including Solaris. It is9 also big-endian. Asking for all of that to be ported to a : little-endian T64-II would not go down well with the ISVs.  5 T64 is WAY better than the rest IMO, but numbers won.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:16:06 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing- Message-ID: <87mzutprkp.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + alanhathway@gmx.de (Allan Hathaway) writes:   G > We are using a cluster plus a further OpenVMS computer, at the moment F > with DECNET and LAT switched on. In the future we have been told, weF > will not be able to use DECNET (because of changes to the networking@ > cabling in the company - something to do with DECNET cannot do > routing).   * > What consequences will that have for us?C > 1. Is it true, that I then cannot use LAT but must use TCP/IP and # > TELNET for all interactive users? E > 2. I cannot copy between the cluster and the other OpenVMS computer / > with $COPY - I will have to use FTP. Correct? > > 3. All Printers with LATSYM must be changed to TELNET-QueuesF > 4. Various Devices eg. DECServer 200 will not work any more, because& > they need to download their software$ > 5. What happens to Load-Balancing? > Anything else?   You may also lose clustering.   @ Are the monkey in you networking section putting up the money to< replace the LAT servers, plus the cost of re-configuring andC re-testing everything? Yopu are about to eat about $100K to several C million, depending on the amount of re-writing and testing you will  need to do.   4 Load balamcing is the easy one. What load balancing.  C You will alos lose any LAT prefered serves, auto login and reliable  file transfer at a minimum.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:22:17 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing- Message-ID: <87is5hprae.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:   > JF Mezei wrote:     >> Sideline question:    D >> I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not >> routable.  E > Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you  > trying to say?  C He is trying to say `LAN protocols'. Although MOP works to adjacent C nodes over (almost) any link type. LAT and SCS are LAN only, if you @ grant DSSI, CIs as LANs. Note that you can drop FDDI in place of) ethernet, and almost nothing will notice.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:44:15 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia - Message-ID: <87zmytpt1s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:    > Graham Burley wrote: >> Keith Cayemberg wrote:   9 >>>    Stable version               8.2 (current release)   G >>      Stable version               Too many to list (current is best)    > Stable version:    ALL  
 ::cought::   Never used 4.0 did you...   B Unless you count the Fat Owl as `stable' There are reasons for theB never use x.0 releases. Though not much for 7.0... or 6.0 I think.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:55:56 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia - Message-ID: <87vf9hpsib.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> writes:   ? > "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message > > news:41f6ed35$0$17617$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net... >> Peter Sjoberg wrote:   >> > I'm missing one great OS on> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_systems% >> > is it anyone who like to add it?  >> > > <SNIP>  > >> Regardless of who makes the update to Wiki, I would suggestB >> we discuss in COV what the correct entries to the Tables shouldE >> be. To get us started, I've taken a first crack at filling out the  >> tables...   > <SNIP>  M > I just had a look at the page ... a better presented entry than some of the 8 > others [of course this *isn't* a biased viewpoint ;)].  H > Further browsing the wikipedia, I happened across the following entry:  = >     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems   L > In the spirit of current, *positive* efforts, not to mention ensuring moreK > persons are made aware of OpenVMS and its features, I thought it might be  > worth making an entry.  M > I've made a tentative start, utilising the style Keith used in this thread, I > but thought it best to post the [very incomplete] effort and obtain COV K > expertise and feedback as I wasn't sure about the answers for some of the 
 > entries.  6 > Also, some issues I think worth considering include:  . > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ?  	 And ODS-1   4 > * Access Control - Include / discuss UIC-based and >    ACL-based ?  G > I hope this starts an interesting and fruitful branch off the current 	 > thread.   	 > Cheers,    > Anthony Borla   < > ----------------------------------------------------------   > *File system* A >   Creator _Digital Equipment Corporation (now Hewlett Packard)_ ' >   Original Operating system _OpenVMS_    > ODS-2   
 > *Limits*G >   Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_ J >   Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_4 >   Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_  ) This is an OS thing, not the file system.    >   Maximum file size _..._  >   Maximum volume size _..._    > *Features* >   File type metadata _FDL_% >   Stores file owner _..._       yes [ >   POSIX file permissions _..._  no, Superset on disk, OS does NOT follow POSIX semantics.  >   Access control lists _Yes_D >   Hard Links _..._             yes, aka aliases, but no link countK >   Soft Links _..._              defined for ODS-2, but never implemented. C >   Alternate data stream/resource fork _..._  RMS sematics eg DDIF  >   Journaling _Yes_  1 Note the wikki entry is incorrect for soft links.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:11:57 GMT + From: "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia ? Message-ID: <ha4Ld.141560$K7.129943@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   ( <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message' news:87vf9hpsib.fsf@prep.synonet.com...  >  <SNIP> > 9 > > Further browsing the wikipedia, I happened across the  > > following entry: > ? > >     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems  > @ > > In the spirit of current, *positive* efforts, not to mention; > > ensuring more persons are made aware of OpenVMS and its : > > features, I thought it might be worth making an entry. > B > > I've made a tentative start, utilising the style Keith used inB > > this thread, but thought it best to post the [very incomplete]< > > effort and obtain COV expertise and feedback as I wasn't3 > > sure about the answers for some of the entries.  > 8 > > Also, some issues I think worth considering include: > 0 > > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ? >  > And ODS-1  >   L I don't think ODS-1 could be discussed in this entry - another would need to< be added. Would it be worth doing this ? Particularly since:  . * ODS-1 isn't as immediately relevant today as    ODS-5  1 * It's already discussed as part of the wikipedia     Files-11 write-up   <SNIP> >  > > *Limits*4 > >   Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 > >      character extension_ 1 > >   Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric # > >      (uppercase-only), _, -, $_ 6 > >   Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_ > + > This is an OS thing, not the file system.  >   G Fair enough. Would it be worth mentioning in a foot note, then, or left F alone, given that it makes little practical difference in terms of the
 comparision ?    <SNIP>  9 > >   POSIX file permissions _..._  no, Superset on disk, ' > > OS does NOT follow POSIX semantics.  > >   G This one did trouble me. I searched for detailed information on OpenVMS J POSIX-compliance but found nothing. I opted for a [tentative] 'YES' answerD based on its similarity to UNIX file permissions [sloppy, I know :(]    So, to confirm:  ( * Entry for this category should be 'NO'5 * Footnote, similar to the same-category NT footnote,     could be included ?    > >   Access control lists _Yes_F > >   Hard Links _..._             yes, aka aliases, but no link count@ > >   Soft Links _..._              defined for ODS-2, but never implemented.   Ok, so to confirm:  = * Hard links largely supported; it is these that are known as     'aliases'   * Soft links *not supported*   > > E > >   Alternate data stream/resource fork _..._  RMS sematics eg DDIF  > >   Journaling _Yes_ >   J Mention of RMS was made in the footnote under 'File Type Metadata'. ShouldA this be changed ? I get the impression that this ['Alternate data I stream/resource fork'] category was added to accomodate the Macintosh HFS  and HFS+ filesystems.    > 3 > Note the wikki entry is incorrect for soft links.  >   $ Though, hopefully, not for long :) !   Cheers,   
 Anthony Borla    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:32:30 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia B Message-ID: <41fce1f0$0$18552$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   > 3 >>Note the wikki entry is incorrect for soft links.  >> >  > & > Though, hopefully, not for long :) ! > 	 > Cheers,  >  > Anthony Borla  >  >   H Is that certain? In the OpenVMS Roadmap just released you will find the ( following in the PPT Notes for slide 15.  H In VMS 8.2 Symbolic links or (soft links) will be delivered. These UNIX E file link are akin to logical names on OpenVMS except they will span  H across systems. As a result of this the TCP/IP services NFS also has an F understanding of Symbolic Links.  DCL will also be enhanced to enable  management of symbolic links. > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm  B Were soft links dropped from the 8.2 release? I assume they were, E considering I didn't see them mentioned in the following documents...   . OpenVMS 8.2 new features and benefits web site< http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v82features.html  B HP OpenVMS v8.2 new features and infrastructure enhancements - PDFD http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms82_features.pdf   HP OpenVMS v8.2 SPD - PDF 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/XAV12X/XAV12XPF.PDF   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:38:41 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... + Message-ID: <41FD1BA1.7D6ED544@comcast.net>    Beach Runner wrote:  > 7 > May I recommend a book, writing real programs in DCL. 2 > I think you can get in on Amazon. Digital Press.   I already have it.  	 See also:   " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:59:37 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? ) Message-ID: <ctj099$hit$1@news.BelWue.DE>   c In article <kClXUgj6AP8J@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: J >So you need a SET VERIFY at the start of the command procedure for objectJ >WWW_INIT.  Perhaps there is one already present under the control of some >logical name.  O Unfortunately it is not that simple. I looked at the stuff of the WWWserver and K realized, that WWW_INIT is some logical that gets defined and undefined and L redefined and so on. I cannot figure out, what part of the code is producing9 this error :-( That's why I am looking at the error code.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 10:37:47 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: DCL-W-OKTAB? 3 Message-ID: <R0xCg7$$t1HE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <ctj099$hit$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:e > In article <kClXUgj6AP8J@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: K >>So you need a SET VERIFY at the start of the command procedure for object K >>WWW_INIT.  Perhaps there is one already present under the control of some  >>logical name.  > Q > Unfortunately it is not that simple. I looked at the stuff of the WWWserver and M > realized, that WWW_INIT is some logical that gets defined and undefined and N > redefined and so on. I cannot figure out, what part of the code is producing; > this error :-( That's why I am looking at the error code.   D Certainly invocation of that file is susceptible to VMS auditing for successful file access.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:11:55 -0500 : From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com>/ Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? , Message-ID: <41fd082f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "Keith A. Lewis" <klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG> wrote in message( news:cth0ie$n0t$1@newslocal.mitre.org...  K > SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want.  I want the procedure to be able to - > tell the difference between the user typing   >     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > and  >     @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL   : And you probably also want to recognize @SYS$MANAGER:MYDCL= One (the only?) HACK to get this is to use the recall buffer. L I've seen DCL-only scripts to obtained that data through poking in P1 memory space.  L > The current workaround is to have identical copies of the procedure at allJ > points on the searchlist, but I'd rather not have to remember to copy it > every time I add to the list.   * I would probably just hardcode my way out.5 If you see sys$common[sysmgr], replace by sys$manager L Obviously that would fail for those case where a node specific procedure was( called while a common one was available.   fwiw,  Hein.      > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:35:28 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? + Message-ID: <41FD28F0.40B1675B@comcast.net>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:  > J > I have a DCL procedure that needs to know where it was invoked from.  ItG > currently uses F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE"), but there's a problem with < > searchlists.  For example, if the procedure was invoked by  >     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCLM > but it really lives in SYS$COMMON, F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") will point to K > SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want.  I want the procedure to be able to - > tell the difference between the user typing   >     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > and  >     @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL   H I'd be curious to know why that's more important than where the file was actually found.   E If the user had typed @SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]MYDCL, the response would  likely have been:   E %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]MYDCL.COM; as input  -RMS-E-FNF, file not found   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:58:57 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary+ Message-ID: <41FD2061.40C6872E@comcast.net>    Rob Young wrote: > b > In article <41FB0726.18CFC6F6@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Rob Young wrote: > >>m > >> In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: I > >> > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the I > >> > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary. O > >> > While the former is of course no news here (they do give a well-deserved I > >> > ovation to Walter Hewlett for the accuracy of his calls during the O > >> > merger battle, and could have created a great one-two punch by observing M > >> > that Carly's abject failure to live up to the expectations she herself J > >> > set mirrors that of Itanic), one statement in an interview with RobO > >> > Enderle ("The interview is an inside look at the thinking of one of HP's ' > >> > trusted confidants") stands out:  > >> >O > >> > "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to = > >> > exit from the operating system business all together."  > >> >K > >> > While that too was clear to at least some of us, others seem to have # > >> > been reluctant to accept it.  > >> > > >>I > >>         Say it... I know you just wanna pucker your lips and say it:  > >>+ > >>                         "Death of VMS"  > > , > > Ain't it a bitch living in total denial? > >  > 
 >         Ha.  > < >         Go back 10 years - here is a comp.os.vms headline: >  >         "Death of VMS"  G Suggestion: Please drop the words "whine", "whiners" and "whining" from C your vocabulary. These have been over-used to the point where their 0 impact serves only to dissolve your credibility.  E 10 years back- that'd be 1994. Since then ... (answers to these below C the sig. - don't cheat, get the answers then see if you're correct)   '  1. What new platforms does VMS run on?   C  2. ...for total gain of how many platforms currently in commercial  production?   B  3. What growth in the VMS customer base has been seen since 1994?  G  4. What new applications have been ported from Windows or UNIX to VMS?   >  5. ...for a total growth in applications for VMS of how much?  G See the answers below the .sig. If you disgaree with any of the correct = answers, remember to cite specific evidence in your rebuttal.   : >         Tell you what, when/if they put the knife in VMS  ) Already happened. Google for "alphacide".    > (and sure - you E >         have my permission to prattle on about Death of VMS must be O >         a satisfying thing somehow), you can trot out:  "See Rob , told you!"   ; ...as did most of the VMS customer base. What's your point?   E >         Guess what?  Big Deal.  You prattle on about something long 8 >         enough and 25 years later it happens, so what?  / Gee - I guess foresight is truly valueless, eh?   ' >         "It could of been prevented."   B Absolutely. All it takes is common-sense, business acumen, ... allD characteristics one never sees among the management folks related to these debacles.   E >         Sure.  And there are whiners somewhere that are still upset 1 >         that RSX is no longer being developed.    H Yeah. Probably people who operate sensitive (not necessarily commercial)F installations on little or no budget, protect millions of lives and/or= trillions of dollars, ... y'know, nothing of any consequence.    > I'm sure someoneF >         is very upset that GM knifed the Oldsmobile division too and0 >         "that too could have been prevented!"   0 A simple name change would likely have sufficed.   > Its about business andF >         a ton of armchair quarterbacks always want to make it betterB >         and sure some things are probably done wrong.  Big Deal.  F Yeah - who cares about billions in lost profits, billions more in lostE on-going revenue, not to mention stock prices, dividends, ... y'know, A all that unimportant econmic mumbo-jumbo that no one cares about.   J >         But today, you can bet there are many reasons to keep developing >         VMS ,    Really? Care to name a few?   8 > as others point out VMS was an easy early-on keeper in" >         merging HP/Compaq, etc.   : Cinderella was a "keeper" too, as I recall. (Where's VMS's "fairy-godmother"?)   * > But no explaining, no amount of positiveH >         news is going to sway some people.  They've been convinced for- >         10-15 years now that VMS is dying.     <reality_check> B You mean, all those lost sites, scrapped VAXes and Alphas, and theG Windows and Un*X systems that replaced them were just a bad dream???!!!   8 Say, "HALLELUJAH", Brothers! It's been just a bad dream. </reality_check>   > It is truly comical thinkingL >         about how some trot out "Death of VMS" as a mantra year after year >         after year.   G Yeah. After all, when your profits are half of what they once were, how 3 that can POSSIBLY be characterized as "dying"???!!!   4 > And funnier still is folks that purchase that sameF >         mantra from Gartner and Aberdeen and the lot.  You wonder if4 >         Gartner/Aberdeen ever feel a bit sheepish?  F Depends how much they're being paid to keep trotting out that garbage.  C I fully expect to someday see this in Merriam-Webster's Unabridged:   L http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pollyanna&x=17&y=15 Pronunciation: "p-lE-'a-n&  Function: nounF Etymology: Pollyanna, heroine of the novel Pollyanna (1913) by Eleanor( Porter died 1920 American fiction writerD : a person characterized by irrepressible optimism and a tendency to/ find good in everything. See also, "Rob Young".    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   Answers:H  1. Itanic. The IA32 port was never completed. An x86-64 port has yet to emerge.   B  2. Zero. VAXes are no longer manfuactured. Alphas are still beingF built, but no new Alpha CPU chips are being fabricated. Itanic has not@ yet achieved "commercial" acceptance due to its arguable future.  C  3. The VMS customer base has seen extensive attrition in the years G since 1994. Although the "official" counts do not reflect this, the OEM D base has numbers indicating their loss of VMS customers to alternate= platforms. VMS sites outside of the Fortune 1000 have all but F disappeared. VMS profits now stand at roughly half of their previously reported values.  F  4. Very few, if any; however, the net gain is a very negative number.F Many of the applications once available for VMS are no longer relevantA as character-cell user interfaces have been largely supplanted by @ web-browser type interfaces and client-server applications usingH (mostly) Windows for the client-side GUI, and for most applications, theG users have indicated a preference for consistency in the user interface H and management and character of the server-side. Thus, in great measure,E Windows and UN*X systems and software have supplanted VMS systems and 
 applications.   B  5. As stated in 4, above, the net gain is a very negative number.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:03:56 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary+ Message-ID: <41FD218C.F17DD07B@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > H > > If there isn't already a movement afoot to buy VMS away from Carly's* > > successor(s), what are we waiting for? > O > We're waiting for them to want to get rid of it so bad that they'll throw in:  > - > All the Digital names, patents, everything. ) > Enough money to run things for 5 years.  > M > If we cannot re-start DEC with 5 years funding, then maybe it isn't viable.   C Well, don't be so anxious to "restart DEC". There was a lot of good + there, but alot that needed fixing as well.   D ...like the kind of mentality that would allow the events we've seen& that brought us to where we are today.  B Let's get VMS back on its commercial feet first. There's plenty of9 potential user base out there, presently untapped by VMS.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:05:29 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary+ Message-ID: <41FD21E9.1A52E827@comcast.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > L > In article <VqCdnR0CBuARW2bcRVn-iQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > wrote: >  > ...  > L > >Perhaps a well reasoned, well written e-mail, supplying information is in	 > >order.  > 3 > Where will you find someone to write that e-mail?    Low blow - cold.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 10:22:40 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com * Subject: Re: General mount/shadow command?B Message-ID: <1107109360.293989.94640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:D > In article <1106763439.812684.98940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: , > >Up till now all my systems have had disks > >named DKA0 AND DKA100.  >  > Not that bad. A > But referring to the disks without logical names (except in the 	 procedure ? > where the mount of these disks happen during startup) is bad. > > You gain A LOT of flexibility with logical names. eg Virtual (Concealed) disks  > ) > >But we now have some systems with DKB0 ' > >and DKB100, and I need to generalize $ > >my command procedures and written$ > >procedures.  I prefer to have all$ > >the command procedures on all the' > >systems to be the same, if possible.  > # > Thats why there are logicalnames. ) > And all refer to the same logical names 4 > (which are based on functionality not on physics). > & > >These are used to form a shadowset. > = > It is no different to a physical disk. The mount command is 
 different.E > You need a nonzero allocation class and a shadowing license. That's  it.  > ( > >I was wondering if there is a generic! > >way to refer to these disks in  > >  > >the MOUNT/SHADOW= command.  > + > Do not use logicals in the MOUNT command.oF > Do use the MOUNT command to create logicals for the volumes (disks). > C > You need one single point with knowledge about the real hardware.h7 > Better have it in SYCONFIG.COM than in SYLOGICALS.COM  >S > >I know that > >a > >mount dka0 sx > >n% > >will allow me to refer to disk$sx,  >pD > Yup. DISK$label is the default logical MOUNT assigns for the disk,A > but you can specify the name of the logical yourself as the 3rdd	 parameter  > to the mount command.e >.$ > >but I typically don't issue mount > >commands for these disks. > ! > Then better change your method.f > or in less aggressive wordsn& > WHO does issue mount commands then ?  - I get the impression that you know less abouti shadowing than I do.  1 I think they disks are mounted by virtue of beinge. specified as a value on the /SHADOW qualifier.  / I don't think that it is possible to MOUNT them!/ directly and also add them to a shadow set.  Sot/ you don't get to specify a logical on the MOUNTc) command, since you cannot use them as theu target of a MOUNT command.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:15:28 +0100r From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>0 Subject: Re: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <ctitmh$4v8$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   John Smith wrote:-c > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=317&item=5951626613&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW: >  >   D Now if you could get Carly(tm) to offer this, then it would work !!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:46:03 -0500g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>u( Subject: Its the applications dummy !!!!B Message-ID: <1107084897.2644804beeaddbbf43695c2ad881a11f@teranews>  A I just spent 1:55 watching a REAL web event, the Macworld keynote A address. This one worked, wasn't an infinite loop of Carly saying   nothing and was very impressive.  D I still remember an ALL-IN-1 presentation at a DECUS event where theF main engineer presented the new index forms that allowed one to scroll@ through list of documents or any other indexed datasets, and theF audience went "wow this is REALLY neat". I still remember when the VMSE new features sessions were overcrowded with people listening from ther/ corridor because there was no more room inside.o  D This Apple event reminded me of the good old days of VMS where thereH were really significant improvements beuing made not only to VMS, but toF all the applications that Digital sold with VMS, so you would come outH of a DECUS even with complete image of what computers can do for you and your employer.    G In this event, Steve Jobs spent about 1:20 on software/applications foroH OS-X. Very little was said about the operating system itself, except forG the embedded search feature which cam index documents, pictures, movies H etc. (no mention of what was done to the file system to allow this, more on that later)  G Apple saw application developers deserting to Windows. How did it reactsF ? It decided to fight for that market with its own applications. FacedC with same situation, Digital decided to ditch its opwn applications 5 instead of strenghetening them to remain competitive.s  E Apple not only produced its own image and movie editing software, but E this is now leeding edge since Apple is the first to support the HDTVeF format for camcorders, and its software is ready to produce HDTV  DVDsD once the actual format is agreed upon. A bit like DEC being first toA support X.400 email back when it was thought this would take off.k    F The search feature in OS-X is quite interesting. It is notified when aE new file is created, deleted or modified and can thereore re-index iteA and change any stored views. (same applies to email messages) ForeF instance, if you have a search for "Soccer" stored, that stored searchD is automatically updated if a new document that deals with Soccer isA received, so that when you pull up that window, it comes out withsD up-to-date information.  So they must have added hooks into the fileE system so that the search engine is notified of any file changes. CanaC ODS-5 do that ? Oh, and the MAC has had long and strange file namesU9 since 1984. ODS-5 was playing a big catch up on that one.@  E Now, many of the OS-X features are very impressive, but a lot of themeF are designed for home users, managing their images, home movies, musicD etc. However, when you consider that VMS had a desktop that was moreF powerful than the MACs in the late 1980s, and you compare them now, itC makes you realise just how much VMS has NOT moved ahead since then.o  = And why any improvement Guy Peleg brings to DCL are very veryt> appreciated, when you look at te big picture, they are pale inM comparison to what Apple is doing to its OS, user interface and applications.e  F Apple is like DEC used to be: it makes hardrware, OS and applications.C So when Steve Jobs makes a presentation, he is truly presenting HIS.% products. Not somebody else products.   F Carly can only really brag about the colour of the boxes its goods areE shipped in. Intel can brag about how many transistors and clock speedlF for a chip. Microsoft brags about stuff it wants to add in the future.H Nobody can brag about a whole solution like Apple can (and like DEC used to be able to do).  G When you consider the "web event" that HP made a week or two ago, it isuH really pale in comparison with what Steve Jobs did. That was the perfectE opportunity to present leading edge clustering features Alpha VMS hadeC (and which IA64 VMS would have later on), and any new featrures VMS-H would have in 8.2. carly didn't even mention VMS in her infinite loop. ID am sick and tired of hearing attempts to justify moving VMS to IA64.H Nobody wants IA64, but if you made VMS look healthy, people might buy it despite it running on IA64.   D It is VMS features that will compensate for the disadvantage VMS hasD becuase it is on IA64. That is why it is so important to work on VMS features and applications.  > If the platform is truly irrelevant, then they should focus onD discussing VMS features. And for that, it means that a greater focusC should be put on improving VMS in visible ways. (eg: Give Guy Pelegi greater freedom to work :-)s  F Why Apple is busy with automatically indexing pictures and movies, VMSB is looking for budget to get its proprietary version of Apache theD ability to read text files in VMS native format. I think this really puts VMS into perspective.  E And while one can blame the last 3.5 years of non-VMS advancements onNG the murder of Alpha and forced porting to that IA64 thing, I think thatlG the slow advancement of VMS started well before that. And with IA64 setiD to fail soon and a port to yet another platform coming, what are theE odds that VMS might still get a much needed injection of "development G capital" that would bring truly new features and functionality to VMS ?   F It is exactly because VMS is proprietary that it does have the abilityB to take giant leaps ahead. Unix and expecially Linux can only moveG slowly due to their need to remain "unix compatible". Apple was able tooE take a HUGE leap between MacOS 9 and OS-X, and OS-9, like VMS was wayeF outdated. The fact that Apple was not only able to come back, but comeG back with a vengeance and leadership features shows that it is possible>4 to take an old OS and bring it back into leadership.  F Apple demonstrated many features in OS-X and its hardware which relateG to home entertainment centre. The same features that Microsoft brags it.C wants to be able to do in the future. Apple didn't brag about "hometD entertainment centre". They just showed what you could do today withH their products. You want to edit your movies and show them on TV ? Press that button.  F Because Apple has both the hardware and software, it is able to reallyF coordinate efforts. Carly can only brag about the colour of her boxes.E Intel can only brag about how many transistors and clock speed of itscF chips, and Microsoft can only talk about future concepts for Longhorn.G Apple displays running products on stage with great charisma because it. is THEIR CREATION from A to Z.  F What this comes down to is not about what sort of cluster interconnectF you have, it is all about the applications that run on your platform. . And that is where the focus for VMS shoudl be.  G Apple is succesful because it can LEAD. It can introduce support for HD., TV years ahead of anyone else as an example.  E In fact, Apple stole an idea from ALL-IN-1. ALL-In-1 had an interruptsE menu (F6 key) available throughout the product which brought you to arG menu with quick access to various functions, including acalculator etc,CH and you would then quickly return to exactly what you were doing before.? Well, Apple is introducing he dashboard a GUI equivalent to it.   = Had Digital spent the money to turn ALL-IN-1 into a X-windowseG application and integrate WPSPLUS to DECWRITE, the concepts of ALL-In-1nB would have made this into a truly world leading office product andB Microsoft Word might have stayed in its DOS chartacter cell formatC because VMS workstatiosn would have been the rage. Remember that inoA early 1990s, Windows didn't have decent email, didn't have decent < networking, and VMS already had clustered workstations, true multitasking, secure etc etc.u  H While the VMS engineers have done great things like extend clustering toA greater distances, when you really think about it, were there anyd< significant improvemnts to VMS since they put CDE to Alpha ?  C ODS-5 brought to VMS what Apple had since 1984.  The TCPIP stack is E something VMS should have had done properly since the early 1990s andCB the current product still isn't up to VMS standards and still lagsD behind other stacks. So while both ODS-5 and TCPIP may have been bigE steps for VMS, they didn't put VMS in any leadership postion, it only- attempted to catch up.  H In the end, the OS has to provide unique services that give applicatiosn? running on that platform a unique edge that will help sell that 
 platform.   F Intrusion detection is neat. The problem is that you can't do anythingC with it. One needs to have the secuirty system call one of your ownaG routines whenever intrusion records are added/updated. (send message to F beeper, institute greater logging at YCPIP level, consifgure couter to< block that IP address due it its constant attempts etc etc).  H So it isn't enough to spend so much effort to allow greatler flexibilityE oin system configuration. You need to spend lots of money on servicesnF AND on applications that use such services in a way to make them stand8 out of the crows and make people go "WOW THIS IS GREAT".   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:46 GMTa. From: "robert kas" <rkas60@nospam.verizon.net>, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!* Message-ID: <yp6Ld.4361$g_3.1122@trndny08>  D     Ok enough give it up All in One and the VAX aren't coming back .5     Save up buy a RX2600 and write some applications.   /                                             Rob     ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message W< news:1107084897.2644804beeaddbbf43695c2ad881a11f@teranews... >uC > I just spent 1:55 watching a REAL web event, the Macworld keynote-C > address. This one worked, wasn't an infinite loop of Carly sayingr" > nothing and was very impressive. >oF > I still remember an ALL-IN-1 presentation at a DECUS event where theH > main engineer presented the new index forms that allowed one to scrollB > through list of documents or any other indexed datasets, and theH > audience went "wow this is REALLY neat". I still remember when the VMSG > new features sessions were overcrowded with people listening from the 1 > corridor because there was no more room inside.o >o >n      Endless whining     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:25:35 -0500t# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>', Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!, Message-ID: <hLadneFjtZjoYWHcRVn-gA@igs.net>   robert kas wrote:eF >     Ok enough give it up All in One and the VAX aren't coming back .7 >     Save up buy a RX2600 and write some applications.  >   # Without HP advertising VMS heavily,o8 no sane ISV (commercial enterprise in it for the money),I who isn't already a part of the VMS market (and hasn't already decided tos exit this market), won't be writing apps for VMS.  I Where's the growth prospects to justify the investment? Marcello's 10-15%aK per annum on an installed base (Alpha and Itanic only please) that probablyiI numbers 250-300,000 machines (most of the balance of the mythical 411,000i4 systems are most likely VAX systems stuck at 5.5-2).  J How many accounting apps could be sold on VMS? Probably a lot it companiesK were willing to think that VMS was a viable os for them, but it's got to be+@ more than just the ISV promoting the os, afterall ISV means just4 that.....independent software vendor, not os vendor.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 08:34:38 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.como, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!C Message-ID: <1107102878.847286.268780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>s  G this will only happen if you get VMS out of the hands of a company that B doesn't want to be in the OS business ... it will take a dedicatedB buyer of VMS to bring back apps and destroy the unix/linux/windozeE market with a superior os ... the apps gap can be quickly made up buyuE purchases or mergers ... one nice one would be with Process Software,cF where TCPware would nicely replace ucx, and where pmdf and precisemail! would give vms good mail apps ...,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:41:04 -0600b2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!+ Message-ID: <41FD2A3F.6B78A1A9@comcast.net>o   robert kas wrote:  > F >     Ok enough give it up All in One and the VAX aren't coming back .7 >     Save up buy a RX2600 and write some applications.f  A Sure! Just point me to the source code for All-in-1, and I'm off!h   >      Endless whining  D ...is a statement that has gotten very stale. I'd recommend droppingG "whine", "whiners" and "whining" from your vocabulary. When you step oni7 people, they will complain until you stop. Get over it.t   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 08:39:24 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com + Subject: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! C Message-ID: <1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>e  = if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us wouldeC all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from some E current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could beeE free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!  Everyone couldeF chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I amE sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this newr! company ... is anyone doing this?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:07:13 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>f/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!n, Message-ID: <NtqdneHVbqrFv2DcRVn-pA@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:? > if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us would/E > all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from some1G > current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could be-G > free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!  Everyone could H > chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I amG > sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this newc# > company ... is anyone doing this?n    : Perhaps if everyone in the western world chipped in $1....  G We could have the OpenVMS Users Relief Fund....help innocent victims ofwK malignant corporate policy....millions of OpenVMS users terminated over the/L years...it's a plague right up there with malaria.  Click here to donate via Paypal.m   Get a grip Bob.i   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 01:14:14 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MySQL problemC Message-ID: <1107076454.836749.110460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>a  E You may have to build from source. I just got zlib, ssl, Python, etc.0A from this same site and I never got it to work until I recompiledmG everything. You may have seen my recent issues with PHP and Oracle. TheEG whole reason for that started with trying to install the kits from thisoG website and then needing the latest VMS update. Even after the update Io@ still got the mismatch but when I built form source it was fine.   Just my .02e   Bill   issinoho wrote:e3 > Got the latest versions of SSL, ZLIB & MySQL froml. > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ >l1 > When I try to run "MYSQL", I get the following,e >n4 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LIBZ_SHR32 > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file7 > KYLIE$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][LIBZ]LIBZSHR32-1_1_4.EXE  > ;1< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image >  > Anyone any ideas?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:56:46 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=  Subject: Re: MySQL problem7 Message-ID: <41fcaf66$0$19431$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>m  G > You may have to build from source. I just got zlib, ssl, Python, etc.rC > from this same site and I never got it to work until I recompiledBI > everything. You may have seen my recent issues with PHP and Oracle. The0I > whole reason for that started with trying to install the kits from thismI > website and then needing the latest VMS update. Even after the update IeB > still got the mismatch but when I built form source it was fine. > 
 > Just my .02e >  > Bill >   
 very strange,>F These kits have been installed many times without any problem, on VMS  7.3, VMS 7.3-1, VMS 7.3-2.  # What library had return a mismatch?l    G the Python and MySQL require latest version if ZLIb because a security o6 problem was found in previous version if this library.    
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>e Subject: Re: MySQL problem1 Message-ID: <1107084274.7470.0@iris.uk.clara.net>f   Jean-Franois Pironne wrote:- > H >> You may have to build from source. I just got zlib, ssl, Python, etc.D >> from this same site and I never got it to work until I recompiledJ >> everything. You may have seen my recent issues with PHP and Oracle. TheJ >> whole reason for that started with trying to install the kits from thisJ >> website and then needing the latest VMS update. Even after the update IC >> still got the mismatch but when I built form source it was fine.  >> >> Just my .02 >> >> Bill G Jean-Francois was correct, heaven knows where I got the older zlib kit e from. Everything is OK now.n  G Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are -" there any gotchas form the outset?  D Looking forward to establishing VAMP (VMS, Apache, MySQL, PHP) as a  legitimate hosting solution.   Regards.   >> >  > very strange,tH > These kits have been installed many times without any problem, on VMS  > 7.3, VMS 7.3-1, VMS 7.3-2. > % > What library had return a mismatch?m >  > I > the Python and MySQL require latest version if ZLIb because a security e8 > problem was found in previous version if this library. >  >  > Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:21 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>p Subject: Re: MySQL problem8 Message-ID: <1krpv0laacik38ogiiu5549rji82bdn98v@4ax.com>  H On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:  H >Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are # >there any gotchas form the outset?   O It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just pure PHP.u   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azura   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:40:39 -0500y+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>r Subject: Re: MySQL problemA Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050130093807.0577eca0@mail.patmedia.net>t  * At 09:49 AM 1/30/2005, Nigel Barker wrote:I >On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:Y >RI > >Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Arew% > >there any gotchas form the outset?  >eL >It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just pure  >PHP.o  L There are problems if you don't install it on an ODS-5 disk because some of 0 the filenames have more that one period in them.  
 Ken Robinson     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:27:49 +0800H From: prep@prep.synonet.com/ Subject: Re: PDFs for HP C docsn- Message-ID: <878y6dr8dm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>w  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:S  F > Note that I've never looked for info on either, so I don't know what& > "HP C for HP-UX" is formally called.  B There are at least two HP C compilers for PA riscs. The one shipedF with the OS is even more brain-dead than you can imagine. The optionalF for money one has some quite nice tricks, like putting the parse treesE in the object files so you can profile the program, then re-link withs optimised calls across modules.n  F Oops, not any more, that was slayed on the altar of industry standard. No more SOM for you.   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:58:32 +0800t From: prep@prep.synonet.com ' Subject: Re: Pls Help with X over TCPIPe- Message-ID: <87r7k5psdz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t   k <kdog93@cox.net> writes:  1 > Thanks!  I'll take it up on another news group.T  G > Can anyone confirm that they are using a linux client with DecWindowst > Motif 1.2-6?  . Linux on x86 with X on Alpha VMS to post this.  ? > As I am unable to find an equivalent to the xauth on VMS I amr  - It is in the session manager, under security.   ; > suspicious that this version of Motif might be too old to = > communicate with recent versions of linux.  There have been>F > suggestions to run my linux Xserver without any security, e.g. X -ac > as a workaround.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.060 ************************