0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 31 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 61      Contents:0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia0 Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia& Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL?& Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL?- Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - RE: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary ! Re: General mount/shadow command? ' Re: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS  Re: How to get a free iPod? # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # RE: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! # Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! & Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:09:14 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 1 Message-ID: <H7edncOKbdN3o2DcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  > J > In VMS 8.2 Symbolic links or (soft links) will be delivered. These UNIX G > file link are akin to logical names on OpenVMS except they will span  J > across systems. As a result of this the TCP/IP services NFS also has an H > understanding of Symbolic Links.  DCL will also be enhanced to enable  > management of symbolic links. @ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm > D > Were soft links dropped from the 8.2 release? I assume they were, G > considering I didn't see them mentioned in the following documents...   I Symbolic links will be coming with with an add on kit for 8.2.  They are   not in the main release.  G Also, with the ODS-5, the case of files is preserved.  You can decided  C on a per process or per application basis if you want to treat the  - filenames to be case sensitive or case blind.    So the answer for ODS-5 is:        case_preserved = yes     case_blind = option      case_sensitive = option   < It has been that way since at least 7.3-2, possibly earlier.  ! See $help set process/case_lookup    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 14:42:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia 3 Message-ID: <CF$gC6FCFlbs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <H7edncOKbdN3o2DcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:   , > It has been that way since at least 7.3-2,  , In other words, the latest shipping release.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:02:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? 0 Message-ID: <00A3EA65.3431D359@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <41fd082f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com> writes:  > ; >"Keith A. Lewis" <klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG> wrote in message ) >news:cth0ie$n0t$1@newslocal.mitre.org...  > L >> SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want.  I want the procedure to be able to. >> tell the difference between the user typing! >>     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL  >> and  >>     @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > ; >And you probably also want to recognize @SYS$MANAGER:MYDCL > >One (the only?) HACK to get this is to use the recall buffer.M >I've seen DCL-only scripts to obtained that data through poking in P1 memory  >space.   ? http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/PREVIOUS_PROCEDURE_NAME.COM;    :)   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:53:41 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> / Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? 6 Message-ID: <sPbLd.77$lw4.41339@news20.bellglobal.com>  M I "think" I know what you want. When something like this is done in "C", the  L command line appears in an array of pointers with element "0" usually being A the image name, element 1 being parameter #1, etc. Of course the  H LIB$GET_FOREIGN call provides more information. The closest thing I can M think of in DCL is the following script which will only support a maximum of  
 8 parameters.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   $!' $!     lib$get_foreign type demo in DCL  $! $ say :== write sys$output# $ proc = f$environment("procedure")  $ proc = f$edit(proc,"UPCASE") $ say "Proc: ",proc  $!% $ junk1 = f$locate("SYS$COMMON",proc)  $ if junk1 .lt. f$length(proc) $ then $     say "in SYS$COMMON $ else $     say "not in SYS$COMMON $ endif  $!% $ junk1 = f$locate("SYS$SYSTEM",proc)  $ if junk1 .lt. f$length(proc) $ then $     say "in SYS$SYSTEM $ else $     say "not in SYS$SYSTEM $ endif  $! $ if p1 .eqs. "" $ then $     say "P1 = BLANK" $ else $     say "P1 = ",p1 $ endif  $! $ if p2 .eqs. "" $ then $     say "p2 = BLANK" $ else $     say "p2 = ",p2 $ endif  $!
 $!    etc. $!   Neil> @ dcl_demo.com yada - Proc: CSMIS$USER3:[ADMCSM.NEIL]DCL_DEMO.COM;1  not in SYS$COMMON  not in SYS$SYSTEM 	 P1 = YADA 
 p2 = BLANK Neil>    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 13:58:09 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary3 Message-ID: <jsysSnT9UM0m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   A In article <wUUKd.19499$sV2.3949@fe03.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:  > Rob Young wrote:! >> 	"It could of been prevented."  >  > ... could HAVE been. > , > Geez. Doesn't noone speek English no more?  = 	Yeah - realized that after I sent it.  But if you say little 6 	or are terse in what you say, little chance of error. 		 				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:31:15 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 6 Subject: RE: Fortune article and subsequent commentaryR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EE0B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20! > Sent: January 30, 2005 12:59 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 > Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary >=20  	 [snip ..]    >=20E >  3. The VMS customer base has seen extensive attrition in the years > > since 1994. Although the "official" counts do not reflect=20 > this, the OEM F > base has numbers indicating their loss of VMS customers to alternate? > platforms. VMS sites outside of the Fortune 1000 have all but H > disappeared. VMS profits now stand at roughly half of their previously > reported values. >=20  @ Well sure, as long as you do not count financial, manufacturing,E telecommunications, transportation, health industry Customers. Cust's @ like IBM, Intel, Motorola, AMD, Cerner, numerous Banks and Stock" Exchanges I guess do not count eh?  H >  4. Very few, if any; however, the net gain is a very negative number.H > Many of the applications once available for VMS are no longer relevantC > as character-cell user interfaces have been largely supplanted by B > web-browser type interfaces and client-server applications using; > (mostly) Windows for the client-side GUI, and for most=20  > applications, the B > users have indicated a preference for consistency in the user=20 > interface > > and management and character of the server-side. Thus, in=20 > great measure,G > Windows and UN*X systems and software have supplanted VMS systems and  > applications.   H So why you think GUI interfaces to existing applications do not exist orE can not be put in place? GUI's to existing applications can be put in E place for a very small fraction of what it takes to replace, test and  implement entire new solutions.   C Or perhaps you do not think that ROI is not on the minds of med-big D Cust's and that they all madly rush to the OS of the day, throw awayC 10-15-20 years of investment just because of something they read in 
 magazines?  C Also, why are you are not counting Java applications? How many Java ! applications are out there today?   D >  5. As stated in 4, above, the net gain is a very negative number.   See answer to 4.           =20    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:32:15 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary+ Message-ID: <41FD8A9F.FE4DF053@comcast.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] # > > Sent: January 30, 2005 12:59 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : > > Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary > >  >  > [snip ..]  >  > > G > >  3. The VMS customer base has seen extensive attrition in the years = > > since 1994. Although the "official" counts do not reflect  > > this, the OEM H > > base has numbers indicating their loss of VMS customers to alternateA > > platforms. VMS sites outside of the Fortune 1000 have all but J > > disappeared. VMS profits now stand at roughly half of their previously > > reported values. > >  > ( > Well sure, as long as you do not count  A List the number of firms world-wide in the classes/industries you  mention:   > financial, manufacturing, @ > telecommunications, transportation, health industry Customers.  C How many of each outside of the 10,000 largest companies do we find  under each heading?    > Cust's
 > like IBM  & How many IBM's are there in the world?  	 >, Intel>   ( How many Intel's are there in the world?   >, Motorola   + How many Motorola's are there in the world?    >, AMD  & How many AMD's are there in the world?  	 >, Cerner   3 How many Cerner's are there in the world? ...IDX's?    >, numerous Banks and Stock  > Exchanges   0 How many Stock Exchanges are there in the world?   > I guess do not count eh?   Is the total up to 411,000 yet?   F You're still talking only about the Fortune 1000. Where do we find the remaining 410,000?   What am *I* talking about?  C How many tens of thousands of "small" to medium-size businesses are E there that were previously VMS shops, now lost to alternate platforms > that can never be recovered due to cost-to-acquire and stealth
 marketing?    Are there *ANY* other questions?  J > >  4. Very few, if any; however, the net gain is a very negative number.J > > Many of the applications once available for VMS are no longer relevantE > > as character-cell user interfaces have been largely supplanted by D > > web-browser type interfaces and client-server applications using: > > (mostly) Windows for the client-side GUI, and for most > > applications, the A > > users have indicated a preference for consistency in the user 
 > > interface = > > and management and character of the server-side. Thus, in  > > great measure,I > > Windows and UN*X systems and software have supplanted VMS systems and  > > applications.  > J > So why you think GUI interfaces to existing applications do not exist or > can not be put in place?  C See other discussions in this forum on the topic of ISV motivation.   . > GUI's to existing applications can be put inG > place for a very small fraction of what it takes to replace, test and ! > implement entire new solutions.   C ...given certain pre-requisites; otherwise, you're looking at total H rewrites from the ground up. I believe I can still put you in touch withF a local firm that still does their own character-cell app. developmentF in DIBOL (VAX DIBOL) on a small VAX and then VESTs the .EXE's to Alpha, (nothing big - departmental class machines).  E > Or perhaps you do not think that ROI is not on the minds of med-big F > Cust's and that they all madly rush to the OS of the day, throw awayE > 10-15-20 years of investment just because of something they read in  > magazines?  A I believe that is what we have seen these past 10+ years, yes, as E documented in the trade and financial media. What part of any of that E which has been published over the years, or can be seen industry- and - world-wide today is/was in any way ambiguous?   E > Also, why are you are not counting Java applications? How many Java # > applications are out there today?   G Outside of browser-land, only *ONE* that I know of - some P.O.S. called G WEBES (was foisted upon us to replace both ANALYZE/ERROR and DIAGNOSE).   D If you have other examples, here's your chance to break the "stealth marketing" mold and go public!  F Remember to include those app.'s that are in use by the companies thatE are still running VAXes at V5.5-2 because that's where their key ISVs G abandonded them *AND* are also in use by the Fortune 10 on GS1280 class 
 or higher.  D (Dunno if you've noticed, but Java app. performance on Alpha is onlyB slightly less abysmal than something that some Cerner sites may beC familiar with, but will not be otherwise mentioned/discussed here.)   F > >  5. As stated in 4, above, the net gain is a very negative number. >  > See answer to 4.   See response to answer to 4.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:04:03 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: General mount/shadow command?0 Message-ID: <newscache$ry85bi$069$1@news.sil.at>  ^ In article <1107109360.293989.94640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:. >I get the impression that you know less about >shadowing than I do.    Care to explain ?   2 >I think they disks are mounted by virtue of being/ >specified as a value on the /SHADOW qualifier.    And the point is ?  0 >I don't think that it is possible to MOUNT them0 >directly and also add them to a shadow set.  So0 >you don't get to specify a logical on the MOUNT* >command, since you cannot use them as the >target of a MOUNT command.   A Who said this ? I said don't use a logical for the mount command. 9 You only need one logical name at all. For the shadowset. D And this you define implicitely with the MOUNT command. That is all.  I Conclusio: Use a MOUNT command with real physical device names to get not I only a shadowset, but also a (ever the same) virtual/logical name for it.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:35:38 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 0 Subject: Re: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS= Message-ID: <KXfLd.15063$Vj3.9571@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>   / "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message  & news:QsWdnf8IHs5qW2bcRVn-jA@igs.net...N > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=317&item=5951626613 > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW  >   G That location would work better for an O/S that "goes down often".   :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:08:18 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>0 Subject: Re: Here's one way to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <41FD9312.E6B10F9@comcast.net>   John Vottero wrote:  > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:QsWdnf8IHs5qW2bcRVn-jA@igs.net...P > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=317&item=5951626613 > > &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW  > >  > I > That location would work better for an O/S that "goes down often".   :)   D ...or perhaps (shall we say) "jitter" could be worked into something about stability.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2005 13:24:08 -0800 From: usenet69@hotmail.com$ Subject: Re: How to get a free iPod?C Message-ID: <1107120248.908734.198760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Does it really work?           www.urine-pimp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:46:20 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!+ Message-ID: <41FD2B7C.C6E21450@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:  >  > robert kas wrote: H > >     Ok enough give it up All in One and the VAX aren't coming back .9 > >     Save up buy a RX2600 and write some applications.  > >  > % > Without HP advertising VMS heavily, : > no sane ISV (commercial enterprise in it for the money),K > who isn't already a part of the VMS market (and hasn't already decided to  > exit this market),  > won't be writing apps for VMS. > K > Where's the growth prospects to justify the investment? Marcello's 10-15% M > per annum on an installed base (Alpha and Itanic only please) that probably K > numbers 250-300,000 machines (most of the balance of the mythical 411,000 6 > systems are most likely VAX systems stuck at 5.5-2). > L > How many accounting apps could be sold on VMS? Probably a lot it companiesM > were willing to think that VMS was a viable os for them, but it's got to be B > more than just the ISV promoting the os, afterall ISV means just6 > that.....independent software vendor, not os vendor.  @ Then again, that could also be viewed as empowering for the ISV.  " Applications still sell platforms.  A The trick is to sell applications, even mundane ones, on "killer" ? platforms (secure, reliable, etc.) and make *THAT* stick in the D prospect's mind. Perhaps imagery like dollars spinning down a toiletF with the words "downtime due to viruses and trojans" boldly emblazoned, across it would create a lasting impression.  < As has been said time and time again, "it's the marketing!".   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:58:47 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!+ Message-ID: <41FD2E66.E9A8855D@comcast.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > I > this will only happen if you get VMS out of the hands of a company that D > doesn't want to be in the OS business ... it will take a dedicated! > buyer of VMS to bring back apps   G Be careful about that. Bringing back app.'s that can't be "web enabled" ( may be somewhat limiting to the venture.  $ > and destroy the unix/linux/windoze > market with a superior os ...   D I don't see that as necessary. Simply competing will be enough. WhenH word gets out about how much companies are cutting downtime losses, that will make a major difference.   ) > the apps gap can be quickly made up buy G > purchases or mergers ... one nice one would be with Process Software, H > where TCPware would nicely replace ucx, and where pmdf and precisemail# > would give vms good mail apps ...   & Multinet is needed for Oracle support.  ( Good thoughts, but let's not stop there.  F We need an exchange replacement (the desktop is another battle ground,C don't go there just yet) for group stuff like calendaring and such. F There's at least one out there, though the name/vendor escapes me just now.  > SWS will have to be brought up to parity with the competition.  F Anti-virus software will be needed to protect those WhieBloze clients,( also, in so far as that's even possible.  , Great potential exists for the bold-hearted.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:12:17 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: Its the applications dummy !!!!R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EE0A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20  > Sent: January 30, 2005 1:59 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . > Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! >=20   [snip..]  * > Good thoughts, but let's not stop there. >=20H > We need an exchange replacement (the desktop is another battle ground,E > don't go there just yet) for group stuff like calendaring and such. H > There's at least one out there, though the name/vendor escapes me just > now. >=20  E Fyi - opportunity to consider for those former ALL-IN-1 types, is VMS H specific ISV add-on's to the following VMS Email solution - which by theA way, apparently allows Cust's to continue to use Outlook as email  clients-  C Stalker Announces OpenVMS Version - Secure Messaging Alternative to H Exchange [and nice migration path for Office Server Customers or perhapsF Customers who want 64bit Email platform with no server viruses, worms,' monthly security patches etc etc.  -km] ; http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D04/12/02/3371441 G http://www.stalker.com/content/download.htm (scroll down to see OpenVMS 2 Alpha and Itanium versions available for download)3 "Posted Thursday December 02 2004 @ 08:16AM EST =09 G Stalker Software has just announced the release of the OpenVMS beta for G their CommuniGate Pro Integrated Communications server. The Beta period B will run through to January 15, 2005. The product is available for3 OpenVMS on Alpha, and IA64 (Itanium2) platforms.=20   H Stalker Software has released an OpenVMS beta version of the CommuniGate$ Pro messaging server which supports:   - Email 
 - Calendaring  - Clustering - Secure Instant Messaging - VoIP - Video Conferencing - Remote Desktop - Application Sharing  and more...  [snip..]   Latest Stalker release: 9 http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_01252005.html @ "MILL VALLEY, Calif., (January 25, 2005) - Stalker Software, theG technology leader in e-mail, collaboration, and real-time communication H solutions, today announced the port of its flagship product, CommuniGate7 Pro, to HP OpenVMS on the HP Integrity server platform.    [snip..]  B "OpenVMS has been the core of environments that require rock solidG reliability. High-availability, scalability, and performance as well as @ nearly impenetrable security are the hallmarks of this legendaryD operating system. For over 25 years, OpenVMS has maintained a strongF presence in such industries as financial services, telecommunications,* healthcare, manufacturing and government."   [snip..]   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:29:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!B Message-ID: <1107116282.aef1efce2450be6038f2edf6f81f27b9@teranews>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:G > market with a superior os ... the apps gap can be quickly made up buy G > purchases or mergers ... one nice one would be with Process Software, H > where TCPware would nicely replace ucx, and where pmdf and precisemail# > would give vms good mail apps ...   H It is probably more likely to see Process buy VMS from HP than the other way around.   F Out of curiosity, why did Cisco buy TGV if its core product (Multinet)G was then sold to Process ? Was it justa way to hire the two guys ? What  did Cisco do with the VAX ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:50:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!B Message-ID: <1107117564.8832c80439f768677a35292bedb1d654@teranews>   David J Dachtera wrote: C > The trick is to sell applications, even mundane ones, on "killer" A > platforms (secure, reliable, etc.) and make *THAT* stick in the  > prospect's mind.      F Nop. That apple presentation convinced me that you need to sell Killer Apps on a good platform.  A Consider how APPLE II got started: Visicalc. It made inroads into E businesses because that was a revolutionary way to process data/count E numbers. Then came IBM with its own spreadsheets and its strong brand 2 name in corporate environments and Apple II faded.  H Then came the MAC. How did the MAC get its fame ? By introducing desktopC publishing. Page Maker was the killer app that made the MAC.  Why ? G because the platform provided unique services that enabled this totally F new concept of desktop publishing. (GUI, fonts, support for postscript printing etc).  F Right now, Apple is remaking itself with similar killer apps, althoughG they are less revolutionary than before. (the revolution is the feature  set at a very very low price).    G Digital could have leveraged the SWIFT installed base and rewrite ST400 E from being a DOG that didn't support clustering into a kiler app that G nobody could touch. They told SWIFT to forget about VMS because Digital  was moving to Windows.      G Because the installed base is now very small with not much of prospects G for sales, independant ISVs aren't going to sink the millions needed to F develop a new SWIFT  software, pay to have it certified etc etc unlessD they get real commitment ($$$$$) from VMS' owner and that owner must2 have a big stake to ensure that the product sells.  A Right now, HP doesn't care if I start a new company, develop some H software, find no customer and go belly up. They lose nothing. They have4 no motivation at the high level to make VMS succeed.  G But if HP were to sink $20 million into redevelopping a SWIFT software, B then you bet your ass that HP would sell this as hard as it could.  F Product placement ? You bet. Buy product placement in the next MissionF Impossible (or Jame Bond or Bourne or whatever) where the bad guys tryE to transfer money from a bank and realise that that bank uses VMS and H that thwarts their whole plan because they can't hack into it.  Now THAT would be advertising.   F Everyone has a TCPIP stack. Giving VMS a better TCPIP stack may pleaseE exsiting customers, but it won't bring in new ones. But developping a F totally new application that doesn't exist eslewhere, and structure itD so that it really does require VMS means that customers can only getF that killer app on VMS and will buy into VMS for that Killer app, justD like IBM-only shops had to get special exceptiosn so their marketing9 dept could buy Macs to do artwork and desktop publishing.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:01:18 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!0 Message-ID: <newscache$6ee5bi$jl9$1@news.sil.at>  r In article <1107116282.aef1efce2450be6038f2edf6f81f27b9@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:G >Out of curiosity, why did Cisco buy TGV if its core product (Multinet)  >was then sold to Process ?    AFAIK, they wanted TN3270    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:39:58 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!+ Message-ID: <41FD8C6D.D6E83B75@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: E > > The trick is to sell applications, even mundane ones, on "killer" C > > platforms (secure, reliable, etc.) and make *THAT* stick in the  > > prospect's mind. > H > Nop. That apple presentation convinced me that you need to sell Killer > Apps on a good platform.   Depends on the marketing goal.  C > Consider how APPLE II got started: Visicalc. It made inroads into G > businesses because that was a revolutionary way to process data/count G > numbers. Then came IBM with its own spreadsheets and its strong brand 4 > name in corporate environments and Apple II faded.  H Don't forget Access technology's 20/20 spreadsheet for VAX/VMS. Where is *THAT* today, and why?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:47:27 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!+ Message-ID: <41FD8E2E.DA833F80@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:I > > market with a superior os ... the apps gap can be quickly made up buy I > > purchases or mergers ... one nice one would be with Process Software, J > > where TCPware would nicely replace ucx, and where pmdf and precisemail% > > would give vms good mail apps ...  > J > It is probably more likely to see Process buy VMS from HP than the other
 > way around.   C My intended meaning was that Process might be convinced to join the D proposed VMS Consortium and thus be part owner. It's TCP/IP products% could then be merged and UCX retired.   H > Out of curiosity, why did Cisco buy TGV if its core product (Multinet)D > was then sold to Process ? Was it justa way to hire the two guys ?  ? Probably looking at being a total solution provider, until they  discovered something about VMS.    > What > did Cisco do with the VAX ?   B Probably scrapped with the many thousands of others that have beenF replaced by inferior platforms with higher TCO and lower ROI, but lessE cost-to-acquire and implement (read: "less 'sticker shock'") and thus ? less resistance from the budget lords, purchase authorizors and  bean-counters.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:05:05 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! + Message-ID: <41FD2FE1.B83FC5AB@comcast.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > ? > if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us would E > all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from some G > current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could be 8 > free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!   H VMS doesn't need to "destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market", IMO.H Just competing will be enough. The market will pick up the momentum from= that point forward and the formerly immovable will become the  unstoppable.   > Everyone couldH > chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I amG > sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this newi# > company ... is anyone doing this?q  F The trick is for the smallest investors to have the largest say in theG operation of the venture. If the largest investors acquire control, VMSlG may not go where the market needs it to go, rather it will end up goingeH where the largest investors want to take it for their own reasons, which3 may not synergize well with the rest of the market.o  F Sort of where VMS is now: I'm sure "stealth marketing" is not what VMS> management wants, its what they are forced into by (insert the conspiracy theory du jour).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:55:39 -0500!- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!eB Message-ID: <1107117874.2b76f2af056808568444df75638ede5a@teranews>   David J Dachtera wrote:r  H > Sort of where VMS is now: I'm sure "stealth marketing" is not what VMS@ > management wants, its what they are forced into by (insert the > conspiracy theory du jour).t  E I am not 100% sure of this. I have repeately heard VMS employees herei- state that advertising may not yield results.a  E Now, we don't know if they are saying this because they truly believe(H this, or if they just feel the need to defend their employers' policies.  . You need one of 2 types of people to head VMS:  F Lou Gerstner who knows he knwos nothing and will surround himself with+ the right advisors and listen to customers.    or  G Steve Jobs who has a big picture vision and knows his stuff and is very.; able to convey his vision onto his employees AND customers.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:07:36 +0300t# From: "work" <work@informchaos.com>d/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!h0 Message-ID: <ctjibd$1u63$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>   How much that would be anyway?  C When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X oro something but with VMS inside!    < <bob@instantwhip.com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:= news:1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...y? > if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us wouldhE > all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from someeG > current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could belG > free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!  Everyone could H > chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I amG > sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this newa# > company ... is anyone doing this?d >2   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:06:35 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>s/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!e9 Message-ID: <fEeLd.9204$JF2.8820@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:    > David J Dachtera wrote:e >  > H >>Sort of where VMS is now: I'm sure "stealth marketing" is not what VMS@ >>management wants, its what they are forced into by (insert the >>conspiracy theory du jour)." >  > G > I am not 100% sure of this. I have repeately heard VMS employees hereR/ > state that advertising may not yield results.l    G          OK, I'm a stealth Dec employee. The number 1 complaint I have eC talking to system administrators is their bosses don't see any VMS >F advertisements, so they don't believe in it.   They also say it's the  best product out there.    > G > Now, we don't know if they are saying this because they truly believesJ > this, or if they just feel the need to defend their employers' policies. > 0 > You need one of 2 types of people to head VMS: > H > Lou Gerstner who knows he knwos nothing and will surround himself with- > the right advisors and listen to customers.u >  > or > I > Steve Jobs who has a big picture vision and knows his stuff and is verys= > able to convey his vision onto his employees AND customers.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:07:04 GMTt# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>(/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!-9 Message-ID: <IEeLd.9205$JF2.3069@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>i   work wrote:y    > How much that would be anyway? > E > When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X ora  > something but with VMS inside! >   : Why would HP want a better product competing against them?     > > > <bob@instantwhip.com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:? > news:1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...I > ? >>if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us would E >>all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from someiG >>current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could benG >>free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!  Everyone could H >>chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I amG >>sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this new)# >>company ... is anyone doing this?  >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:55:48 -0600M2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!j+ Message-ID: <41FD9023.6D273C0B@comcast.net>i   JF Mezei wrote:e >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > J > > Sort of where VMS is now: I'm sure "stealth marketing" is not what VMSB > > management wants, its what they are forced into by (insert the > > conspiracy theory du jour).  > G > I am not 100% sure of this. I have repeately heard VMS employees here$/ > state that advertising may not yield results.M  G Consider the source. You're talking about rocking some folks' boat in a-G major way. Enthusiasm, while an entirely realistic expectation, may notsG be the universal response, in view. Neither might be optimism, for thatn matter, for the same reason.  G > Now, we don't know if they are saying this because they truly believe J > this, or if they just feel the need to defend their employers' policies.  ' Perhaps both, plus the above mentioned.   0 > You need one of 2 types of people to head VMS: > H > Lou Gerstner who knows he knwos nothing and will surround himself with- > the right advisors and listen to customers.- >  > or > I > Steve Jobs who has a big picture vision and knows his stuff and is veryy= > able to convey his vision onto his employees AND customers.u  * ...or perhaps some combination of the two.  / O.k. So, we have an idea who we're looking for.>   Suggestions, anyone?   -- - David J Dachtera0 Unofficial Chief Coordinator, OpenVMS Consortium  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:V" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/9   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:03:27 -0600o2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!i+ Message-ID: <41FD91EF.A611F89C@comcast.net>s   Beach Runner wrote:  > 
 > work wrote:a > " > > How much that would be anyway? > >tG > > When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X ors" > > something but with VMS inside! > >n > < > Why would HP want a better product competing against them?  @ How many GS1280 class machines run OS-X or anything close to it?   Are there any other questions?   -- v David J Dachtera* Unofficial Coordinator, OpenVMS Consortium  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:01:52 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!y+ Message-ID: <41FD918F.E7EC5791@comcast.net>o   Beach Runner wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:I >  > > David J Dachtera wrote:e > >i > >lJ > >>Sort of where VMS is now: I'm sure "stealth marketing" is not what VMSB > >>management wants, its what they are forced into by (insert the > >>conspiracy theory du jour).u > >a > >aI > > I am not 100% sure of this. I have repeately heard VMS employees heren1 > > state that advertising may not yield results.a > H >          OK, I'm a stealth Dec employee. The number 1 complaint I haveD > talking to system administrators is their bosses don't see any VMSG > advertisements, so they don't believe in it.   They also say it's the2 > best product out there.-  ? I am (and have long been) of the firm belief that this poster'sa5 experience represents the rule and not the exception.e   FWIW...d   -- u David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems9 http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/d   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 04:45:08 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!mB Message-ID: <41fda9c6$0$18557$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:h > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>David J Dachtera wrote:p >> >>I >>>Sort of where VMS is now: I'm sure "stealth marketing" is not what VMS A >>>management wants, its what they are forced into by (insert ther >>>conspiracy theory du jour). >>G >>I am not 100% sure of this. I have repeately heard VMS employees here / >>state that advertising may not yield results.  >  > I > Consider the source. You're talking about rocking some folks' boat in agI > major way. Enthusiasm, while an entirely realistic expectation, may notII > be the universal response, in view. Neither might be optimism, for thata > matter, for the same reason. >  > G >>Now, we don't know if they are saying this because they truly believeaJ >>this, or if they just feel the need to defend their employers' policies. >  > ) > Perhaps both, plus the above mentioned.e >  > 0 >>You need one of 2 types of people to head VMS: >>H >>Lou Gerstner who knows he knwos nothing and will surround himself with- >>the right advisors and listen to customers.t >> >>or >>I >>Steve Jobs who has a big picture vision and knows his stuff and is very = >>able to convey his vision onto his employees AND customers.t >  > - > ....or perhaps some combination of the two.o > 1 > O.k. So, we have an idea who we're looking for.e >  > Suggestions, anyone? > F I hear Gerstner has been in retirement for a couple years, maybe he's E getting board of it and could use a challenge. I also hear Jobs will cF work (apply his legendary reality distortion field) for a $1 per year  salary. So why not both?  :-)e   Cheers!p   K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:08:43 -0500p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!cB Message-ID: <1107143835.b34589eea00fdc46907405550d67db59@teranews>   Keith Cayemberg wrote:G > I hear Gerstner has been in retirement for a couple years, maybe he's F > getting board of it and could use a challenge. I also hear Jobs willG > work (apply his legendary reality distortion field) for a $1 per yearn > salary. So why not both?  :-)S  E Gertsner is retired. He might be a good coach for a new up and coming C CEO. Jobs is busy enough withg Apple. Now, had Digital given VMS tomF Apple at a time when Apple was struggling to find a new kernel for its( OS, then it would have been a great fit.  A Too late now.  One must find a new Gerstner or Jobs. Someone witha/ vision, charisma. And you need a good salesmen.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:16:49 -0600'2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MySQL problem+ Message-ID: <41FD32A0.971F9854@comcast.net>-   issinoho wrote:t >  > Nigel Barker wrote:tL > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote: > >i > >eJ > >>Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are& > >>there any gotchas form the outset? > >n > >aS > > It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just pure PHP.a > >s > > -- > > Nigel Barker# > > Live from the sunny Cote d'AzursB > There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the packageC > produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin useslB > multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a > filename it appears.   Oohhh - careful, there!N  3 VMS support for free-form filenames requires ODS-5.e  F ZIP/UNZIP support for free-form filenames requires newer versions than# are currently common "in the wild".h   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:r" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:27:08 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: MySQL problem1 Message-ID: <OaCdnSm7EuyB3mDcRVn-1w@adelphia.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:n > 5 > VMS support for free-form filenames requires ODS-5.. > H > ZIP/UNZIP support for free-form filenames requires newer versions than% > are currently common "in the wild".I  H Is there something wrong with the versions included with the latest GNV?   -JohnM wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:45:01 -0500t+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>: Subject: Re: MySQL problemA Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050130154401.04049c80@mail.patmedia.net>c  . At 03:27 PM 1/30/2005, John E. Malmberg wrote: >David J Dachtera wrote:5 >>VMS support for free-form filenames requires ODS-5.oH >>ZIP/UNZIP support for free-form filenames requires newer versions than% >>are currently common "in the wild".d > I >Is there something wrong with the versions included with the latest GNV?t  J Actually, using GNV to expand the zip file is the best way to go.  That's  how I did it the last time.f   Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:38:15 +0000M# From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>a Subject: Re: MySQL problem2 Message-ID: <1107124701.33286.0@iris.uk.clara.net>   Ken Robinson wrote:t0 > At 03:27 PM 1/30/2005, John E. Malmberg wrote: >  >> David J Dachtera wrote: >>7 >>> VMS support for free-form filenames requires ODS-5.eJ >>> ZIP/UNZIP support for free-form filenames requires newer versions than' >>> are currently common "in the wild".  >> >>K >> Is there something wrong with the versions included with the latest GNV?  >  > E > Actually, using GNV to expand the zip file is the best way to go.  -$ > That's how I did it the last time. >  > Ken H Can confirm that i *AM* using an ODS-5 disk and unzipping with INFO-ZIP $ 5.32. Is there a better alternative?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:01:15 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>@ Subject: Re: MySQL problem1 Message-ID: <HuadnV1555bT6GDcRVn-2g@adelphia.com>=   issinoho wrote:& > J > Can confirm that i *AM* using an ODS-5 disk and unzipping with INFO-ZIP & > 5.32. Is there a better alternative?    EAGLE> unzip :== $gnu:[bin]unzip EAGLE> unzip -? L UnZip 5.42 of 14 January 2001, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip -v.   -Johnr wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only@   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:32:57 -0600r2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MySQL problem+ Message-ID: <41FD8AC9.1698326E@comcast.net>e   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:e >  > David J Dachtera wrote:c > > 7 > > VMS support for free-form filenames requires ODS-5.  > >.J > > ZIP/UNZIP support for free-form filenames requires newer versions than' > > are currently common "in the wild".J > J > Is there something wrong with the versions included with the latest GNV?  C Haven't tried them; however, if the user uses an older version, ...o   -- : David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/3  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:36:56 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MySQL problem+ Message-ID: <41FD8BB8.3EABF5AA@comcast.net>>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:a >  > issinoho wrote:g > > K > > Can confirm that i *AM* using an ODS-5 disk and unzipping with INFO-ZIPe( > > 5.32. Is there a better alternative? > " > EAGLE> unzip :== $gnu:[bin]unzip > EAGLE> unzip -?XN > UnZip 5.42 of 14 January 2001, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip -v.  ' Is not the "current" UNZIP V5.5x or so?i  F Hunter's freeware area (http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html)2 lists the current UNZIP as V5.51 dated 22-May-2004= (http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?UNZIP).s   -- t David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems5 http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:h" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/k  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/b   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.061 ************************