0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 31 Jan 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 62      Contents:& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ...& Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL?& Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL?- Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary - Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary 9 fwd: Rdb 7.2 Beta Kit Now Available for Itanium and Alpha  Re: How to get a free iPod?  Re: INPSMB errors  Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version?" Re: Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version?# Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! & Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS!& Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: MySQL problem  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  VMS Roadmaps & RTR  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2005 12:32:23 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)/ Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... 3 Message-ID: <48Rb+04XzC97@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <41FC5C1E.8040803@tsoft-inc.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Z wrote:  >>   >>>Michael Austin wrote: >>> = >>>>$ write sys$output f$file("login.com","file_length_hint") K >>>>(85,3172)  !<<<<------ first number is number of records, second is the  >>>>byte count >>>>' >>>What a useful tidbit of information.  >>>  >>  F >> Doesn't the file_hint only apply to certain types of files on ODS-5F >> volumes ? Are there specific values returned when the systen cannot >> profile those values ?  >>   > 3 > Well, just get onto a VMS process, and type HELP.  > " > All kinds of useful information. > R > Ok Mike, what part of your life suffers such that you have time to sit and read  > all of VMS HELP?  :-)   ; Except HELP LEXIC F$FILE ARG doesn't mention any specifics  ? for which files the file_length_hint arg returns valid numbers. A It mentions that an invalidated count will return -1, but not why @ it thought the count invalid.  I don't mind RTFMing, or in this . case RTFHing, but sometimes HELP doesn't help.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:46:58 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)/ Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? 2 Message-ID: <CxrLd.6902$K63.6091@news.cpqcorp.net>   > L >> SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want.  I want the procedure to be able to. >> tell the difference between the user typing! >>     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL  >> and  >>     @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL  K F$ENVIRONMENT ("PROCEDURE") will return the full location where the command D procedure resides.  I think if you retrieve this value and parse it,+ it should give you what you're looking for.   : I often put $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$ENVIRONMENT ("PROCEDURE")? at the beginning of all of the command procedures in the entire A SYS$STARTUP tree, so I get messages on the console during startup  telling me what's going on.    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2005 10:39:54 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org/ Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? 3 Message-ID: <g4erx3O10P4o@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <cth0ie$n0t$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:J > I have a DCL procedure that needs to know where it was invoked from.  ItG > currently uses F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE"), but there's a problem with = > searchlists.  For example, if the procedure was invoked by    >     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCLM > but it really lives in SYS$COMMON, F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") will point to K > SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want.  I want the procedure to be able to - > tell the difference between the user typing   >     @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > and  >     @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL  > I > If this were a C or PL/I program I would use LIB$GET_FOREIGN to get the E > command line and then parse it.  Does anybody know of a way in DCL?    Get a copy of ppf.mar    The use it as follows:   $! test.com  $ ppf = "$sys$login:ppf.exe" $ ppf sys$input  $ show sym phy_file_name $ show sym org_file_name $ show sym fid_file_name   $ @test A   PHY_FILE_NAME = "EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]TEST.COM;5" A   ORG_FILE_NAME = "EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]TEST.COM;5" @   FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$USER3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]TEST.COM;5"  F I'm not sure if a copy of ppf.mar is archived anywhere.  I've included
 one below.  = It's non-privileged code and doesn't involve digging into any - DCL data structures.  The only tricky bit is:   # 	bisw2	#fab$m_ppf_ind,fab+fab$w_ifi   A which sets the bit to allow the $DISPLAY service to reach out and D see the underlying file name rather than stopping at the PPF logical? name.  The code works on Alpha and on VAX without modification.    	John BriggsL ----------------------------- code follows ---------------------------------  @ ; PPF translate specified PPF logical name to file specification< ; This is based on code posted on comp.os.vms by John Briggs? ; on 19 Nov 1996, message-id <1996Nov19.110550@alpha.vitro.com> < ; Modified by Jon Pinkley to accept a logical name so we can3 ; get the actual file name of a file opened by DCL. : ; This also sets three local symbols, instead of only one. ; : ; First delete local symbols PHY_FILE_NAME, ORG_FILE_NAME,: ; and FID_FILE_NAME.   These will be recreated when we can ; successfully determine them. ;  ; PHY_FILE_NAME 9 ;   This is the unconcealed name of the file at the time  5 ;   it was opened.  If it has been renamed, this will  ;   not be correct.  ; $ ;   PHY_FILE_NAME is set as follows:: ;   If it's a PPF, then do a $DISPLAY with nop=<noconceal>' ;     and save the resulting file name. 9 ;     If it is a record oriented device, (you can't trust 8 ;     fab$l_dev for this, you must ask $getdvi), instead5 ;     of using the rsa returned by $display, use the   ;     nam$t_dvi value.3 ;     (this is the name it had when it was opened.) 5 ;     if the device is a terminal, then save only the 6 ;     device name.  Set FILE_NAME to the saved string.; ;   If it's not a PPF, exit with warning status CLI$_UNDFIL 2 ;   This is after all, meant to be used with PPF's ;  ; ORG_FILE_NAME 7 ;   This is the concealed name of the file at the time  5 ;   it was opened.  If it has been renamed, this will  ;   not be correct.  ; $ ;   ORG_FILE_NAME is set as follows:% ;   If it's a record oriented device  $ ;     set ORG_FILE_NAME to nam$l_dev ;   otherwise 0 ;     do another $DISPLAY, this time displaying ! ;     the concealed name, and set / ;     ORG_FILE_NAME to the concealed file name.  ; " ; FID_FILE_NAME is set as follows: ;   If nam$l_fid is non zero? ;     determine the current file name by using lib$fid_to_name. < ;     Set FID_FILE_NAME to this value.  Note that this file C ;     name will be correct if the file was renamed using the RENAME 9 ;     command (but not necessarily if the FID is entered   ;     multiple times). ;   ; Usage: $ ppf :== $some_dir:ppf ;        $ ppf [logical_name]  ; ? ;        if no logical is specified, then sys$output is assumed 1 ;        i.e. the following three are equivalent:  ;        $ ppf sys$output  ;        $ ppf: ;	 $ run some_dir:ppf ! foreign command not necessary here ; > ;        The reason the this is the default is that it is very? ;        useful to allow a batch process to determine the exact . ;        filename and version of its log file. ; > ;        PPF can also be used to determine the version of file) ;        opened by DCL.  Example follows: , ;        $ open/read foo sys$login:login.com ;	 $ ppf foo( ;        $ show symbol/local *_file_name@ ;          FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$USER1:[USERS.JON]LOGIN.COM;181": ;          ORG_FILE_NAME = "ROOT$USERS:[JON]LOGIN.COM;181"A ;          PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKA200:[USERS.][JON]LOGIN.COM;181"  ;        $ close/nolog foo ; 3 ;  example where file gets renamed while it is open  ; " ;        $ open/write foo test.dat ;        $ ppf foo# ;        $ sho sym /loc *_file_name > ;          FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1"> ;          ORG_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1": ;          PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKC204:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1"& ;        $ ren test.dat; jons.data;100 ;        $ ppf foo# ;        $ sho sym /loc *_file_name A ;          FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]JONS.DATA;100" > ;          ORG_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1": ;          PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKC204:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ;        $ close/nolog foo   	.psect	data,quad,noexe  	$LNMDEF 	$FABDEF 	$NAMDEF 	$DEVDEF 	$DVIDEF 	$CLIMSGDEF   ( 	.macro	errchk, ?skip		; check for error& 	blbs	r0, skip		; on success skip this# 	pushl	r0			; push offending status , 	calls	#1, g^lib$stop		; and kill this thing) skip:	.endm	errchk			; and that's errchk!    fab:	$FAB	nam=nam  nam:	$NAM	rsa=buffer,- 		rss=buffer_size,-  		nop=<noconceal>   	 itemlist:  	.word	buffer_size 	.word	lnm$_string 	.address	buffer 	.address	file_name_desc 	.long	0   	.align quad buffer:	.blkb	255  buffer_size=.-buffer 	.align quad buffer1:	.blkb	255 buffer1_size=.-buffer1 	.align quad buffer2:	.blkb	16  buffer2_size=.-buffer2 	.align quad recdev:	.blkl	1  dvirec:	.long	DVI$_REC return_length: 	.blkw	1   sysout: .ascid  /SYS$OUTPUT/ tabnam:	.ascid	/LNM$FILE_DEV/ F phynam:	.ascid	/PHY_FILE_NAME/		; name file was originally opened with> orgnam: .ascid	/ORG_FILE_NAME/		; same as file_name, concealedD fidnam:	.ascid	/FID_FILE_NAME/		; name determined by lib$fid_to_name0 input:	.long	lnm$c_namlength		; make a descr for  	.address 2$			; lib$get_foreign. 2$:	.blkb	lnm$c_namlength		; the buffer itself   file_name_desc:  	.blkw	1 	.word	0 	.address buffer   fid_name_desc: 	.blkw	1 	.word	0 	.address buffer1    dvi_name_desc: 	.blkw	1 	.word	0 	.address buffer2    	.psect	code,exe 	.entry	MAIN,^m<>  	; Get logical file name of PPF 7 	pushal	input			; set the length to the length returned  	pushl	#0			; noprompt+ 	pushal	input			; write the rec'd data here , 	calls	#3, g^lib$get_foreign	; get a command 	errchk				; check for error  . 	cmpw	input, #0		; no input logical specified? 	bneq	5$7 	movc3	sysout,@sysout+4,@input+4 ; input = "SYS$OUTPUT"  	movw	sysout,input 5$: 9 	; Delete the symbols we are going to set (ignore errors) " 	pushaq	fidnam			; "FID_FILE_NAME" 	calls	#1,g^lib$delete_symbol " 	pushaq	orgnam			; "ORG_FILE_NAME" 	calls	#1,g^lib$delete_symbol " 	pushaq	phynam			; "PHY_FILE_NAME" 	calls	#1,g^lib$delete_symbol   3 	; Translate specified logical name in LNM$FILE_DEV  	pushal	itemlist	 	pushl	#0 
 	pushaq	input  	pushaq	tabnam	 	pushl	#0  	calls	#5,g^sys$trnlnm 	blbs	r0,10$ 	brw	99$			; error? bail   	; Is it a PPF logical name?( 10$:	cmpw	buffer,#^X001b		; Escape, null	 	beql	11$ " 	brw	101$			; it's not a PPF, quit 11$:$ 	; Use $DISPLAY to get PPF file name 	movw	buffer+2,fab+fab$w_ifi# 	bisw2	#fab$m_ppf_ind,fab+fab$w_ifi 2 	$display	fab=fab		; first with non-concealed name 	errchk				; check for error  2 	; Determine if device is a record oriented deviceF 	; Note that network devices like node"user pass"::sys$login:login.com@ 	; will have nam$t_dvi set to a null string.  In this case, just> 	; treat it like a non-record oriented device.  We will handle% 	; the lack of a FID at a later time.   3 	; copy the nam$t_dvi name into the dvi_name string  	 # 	movzbw	nam+nam$t_dvi,dvi_name_desc 	 	bneq	12$ ) 	brw	20$			; must be a decnet device name  12$:5 	movc3	dvi_name_desc,nam+nam$t_dvi+1,@dvi_name_desc+4  	 5 	pushal	recdev			; boolean for record oriented device $ 	pushaq	dvi_name_desc		; device name# 	pushl	#0			; channel not specified . 	pushal	dvirec			; address containing DVI$_REC 	calls	#4,g^lib$getdvi 	errchk   * 	tstl	recdev			; if record oriented device% 	beql	20$			; then skip the following   8 	; here we have a record oriented device.  Directory and/ 	; file names really don't make a lot of sense. % 	; set PHY_FILE_NAME to nam$t_dvi and ! 	;     ORG_FILE_NAME to nam$l_dev   	; leave FID_FILE_NAME undefined   	pushaq	dvi_name_desc  	pushaq	phynam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchk   4 	; copy the nam$l_dev name into the file_name string$ 	movzbw	nam+nam$b_dev,file_name_desc6 	movc3	file_name_desc,@nam+nam$l_dev,@file_name_desc+4   	pushaq	file_name_desc 	pushaq	orgnam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchk   	 	brw	99$	   ) 	; Stuff file name length into descriptor ( 20$:	movzbw	nam+nam$b_rsl,file_name_desc  0 	; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc/ 	; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'PHY_FILE_NAME'  30$:	pushaq	file_name_desc 	pushaq	phynam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchk   . 	; Use $DISPLAY to get PPF file name concealed( 	bicb2	#<nam$m_noconceal>, nam+nam$b_nop 	$display	fab=fab  	blbs	r0,40$ 	ret				; If it fails, exit   ) 	; Stuff file name length into descriptor ( 40$:	movzbw	nam+nam$b_rsl,file_name_desc  0 	; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc/ 	; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'ORG_FILE_NAME'  	pushaq	file_name_desc 	pushaq	orgnam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchk   2 	; Now grab the FID from the NAM block and convert/ 	; it to a filename using LIB$FID_TO_NAME, then / 	; stuff it into the DCL symbol 'FID_FILE_NAME'  	 1 	; we're going to use buffer1, set the length in    	; the descriptor to buffer_size6 	movab	buffer1,fid_name_desc+4		; make sure we have it$ 	movzbw	#buffer1_size, fid_name_desc/ 	; we are going to reuse the descriptor for the  	; nam$t_dvi counted string % 	movzbw	nam+nam$t_dvi, file_name_desc  	beql	99$				; no FID, bail out ) 	movab	nam+nam$t_dvi+1, file_name_desc+4	    	pushaw	return_length  	pushaq	fid_name_desc  	pushaw	nam+nam$w_fid  	pushaq	file_name_desc 	calls	#4,g^lib$fid_to_name  	errchk   ) 	; Stuff file name length into descriptor ' 60$:	movzbw	return_length,fid_name_desc   0 	; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc/ 	; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'FID_FILE_NAME'  70$:	pushaq	fid_name_desc  	pushaq	fidnam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 99$:	ret 101$:	movl	#CLI$_UNDFIL,r0 	brb	99$  
 	.end	main   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:43:13 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary3 Message-ID: <rOZTejLhR0Pi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  E > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the  E > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.   [...] K > "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to  8 > exit from the operating system business all together."  C    Saying HP has too many operating systems is like saying Goodyear     has too many tires.  D    It's just an old line trotted out by writers who have no original    ideas of their own.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:07:56 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary, Message-ID: <MfKdndrhur5ZpmPcRVn-vw@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:D > In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill' > Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > E >> Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the E >> failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.  > [...] A >> "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're C >> trying to exit from the operating system business all together."  > E >    Saying HP has too many operating systems is like saying Goodyear  >    has too many tires.    6 True. But Goodyear advertises and markets their tires.  J I keep seeing HP television ads for Xeon blade servers - none for Itanics, and certainly none for VMS.   J Ferrari manages to advertise both Ferrari and Maserati cars (now that theyK own Maserati). While one might be tempted to say that at those price points J buyers are all the same, that's not any more true than thinking that bladeK servers running Windows suit all corporations. But that, apparently, is the  depth of thinking at HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:16:43 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary= Message-ID: <y7idnagRPaxToGPcRVn-uA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:j > In article <l9qdnU8AQ9IjVGfcRVn-qQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >  > E >>Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the  E >>failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary.   >  > [...]  > K >>"HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to  8 >>exit from the operating system business all together." >  > E >    Saying HP has too many operating systems is like saying Goodyear  >    has too many tires.  I Duh.  It was the sentence *following* that one which seemed particularly  I interesting - especially when delivered by someone who maintains a close  0 professional relationship with HP in such areas.  F As contrasted, say, with idle speculation such as your own.  Not that G being uninformed seems to slow you down much, but hey - this is Usenet.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:22:50 -0700 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>B Subject: fwd: Rdb 7.2 Beta Kit Now Available for Itanium and Alpha* Message-ID: <41FE5B5A.1AE65D44@oracle.com>  =      Oracle is pleased to announce the availability of Oracle @ Rdb Release 7.2 field test.  The field test of Oracle Rdb 7.2 isA available to run on OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 for HP Integrity = Servers and for OpenVMS for AlphaServer systems.  To join the ? Beta program, you can register online at the Rdb Beta Test Page C (follow the "Rdb Beta Programs" link at http://www.oracle.com/rdb). ? Once your registration application has been submitted, our Beta @ Program Administrator will review it for approval.  When you log= back in to the site after being approved, you will see a page @ welcoming you to the program and links for the documentation and software download.  B      This field test software allows Oracle Rdb-based applicationsD to be ported to OpenVMS for Itanium architecture-based HP IntegrityC servers.  Most Rdb-based applications that run today on AlphaServer C systems need only to be recompiled, relinked and tested in order to  run on Integrity servers.   <      The full suite of the Rdb database engine functionality@ is available for this 7.2 field test on both the AlphaServer and9 Integrity server platforms.  This functionality includes:   4      - Rdb, RDO and RDML precompiler and interactive        interfaces 1      - SQL precompiler and interactive interfaces 0      - Local and global buffering and row caches7      - Data protection via before-image and after-image         journaling 5      - 2-phase transaction and multi-database support 3      - Remote database access via TCP/IP and DECnet       - Oracle Rdb Hot Standby       - Oracle Rdb LogMiner8      - Built-in remote database access capabilities over        DECnet or TCP/IP =      - RMU backup, restore, recover, verify, show statistics,         load, unload, etc.   =      The Oracle Rdb field test release 7.2 requires a minimum > of OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and a minimum of OpenVMS for Integrity
 Servers V8.2.   9      Oracle expects to release Oracle Rdb Release 7.2 for 8 production use in the second half of calendar year 2005.   Ginger Vollmar Rdb Beta Programs Administrator   	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC)  From: usenet69@hotmail.com$ Subject: Re: How to get a free iPod?$ Message-ID: <ctlr0a$8o8$1@online.de>   illegal message cancelled    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:55:47 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: INPSMB errors, Message-ID: <36768mF4tvh3nU1@individual.net>   Chris Scheers wrote: >...D >> Since you gave INPSMB the privlege then the user does not need to. >> know the password to do whatever they want. >... > H > Is this really true?  I've never used IMPSMB, but looking at the code,0 > it appears that the PASSWORD card is required. >...  E I thought it was true when I wrote it, and my memory tells me that it H was true back in V3.7 or V4.1 time, but my memory could be 100% wrong. IG tried this over the weekend on a V7.3 machine and it is not true today. ? So I'll just shut up now and hope that someone with more recent ) experience jumps in to correct my memory.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2005 06:55:00 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com ' Subject: Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version? B Message-ID: <1107183300.109869.72400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  7 I have 7.3-2 from Nov 2003.  I that the latest shipped?   , When will the next Alpha release be, if any?1 Should an upgrade from 7.2-1 be without problems?    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:32:32 +0000 (UTC) 1 From: Jefferson Humber <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> + Subject: Re: Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version? 0 Message-ID: <ctlj2g$j75$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:9 > I have 7.3-2 from Nov 2003.  I that the latest shipped?  > . > When will the next Alpha release be, if any?3 > Should an upgrade from 7.2-1 be without problems?  >   - 8.2 was announced by HP on the 18th Jan 2005.   2 	http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms82_announce.html  ? However I don't expect I'll see it on CD/DVD for a month or so.    Jeff   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:36:56 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk, Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!!) Message-ID: <ctlqbo$ghj$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <1107102878.847286.268780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: H >this will only happen if you get VMS out of the hands of a company thatC >doesn't want to be in the OS business ... it will take a dedicated C >buyer of VMS to bring back apps and destroy the unix/linux/windoze F >market with a superior os ... the apps gap can be quickly made up buyF >purchases or mergers ... one nice one would be with Process Software,G >where TCPware would nicely replace ucx, and where pmdf and precisemail " >would give vms good mail apps ...  G Unfortunately although Process now develop and support PMDF it is still E ,as far as I am aware, owned by SUN (following their purchase of the   original owners Innosoft).K This is one reason why although there are hobbyist licenses for TCPWARE and  Multinet there isn't for PMDF.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:54:34 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> / Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! 0 Message-ID: <slrncvrp1q.118.thierry@MARS.Family>  B On 2005-01-31, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > Beach Runner wrote:  >>   >> work wrote: >>  # >> > How much that would be anyway?  >> >H >> > When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X or# >> > something but with VMS inside!  >> > >>  = >> Why would HP want a better product competing against them?  > B > How many GS1280 class machines run OS-X or anything close to it? >   > Are there any other questions?  K How would you deal with the fact that you don't see the animations anymore?  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:30:00 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! / Message-ID: <BE2372D8.59A6%roktsci@comcast.net>   G Yes, when Apple decided to use the UNIX kernel, I knew they made a good F decision, because then Steve Jobs could focus more of his strengths on
 Applications.   L I always think, what if he chose VMS instead. I know it would have been moreI expensive for apple, but then Apple can afford it, and just imagine where G VMS would be with apples ilife products, and the availability of office  products on the VMS-MAC.  % Maybe it would have been called OS V.   D But then again, I also wish 8 tracks and Beta Max were still around.   JC  I On 1/30/05 1:07 PM, in article ctjibd$1u63$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net, "work"  <work@informchaos.com> wrote:     > How much that would be anyway? > E > When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X or   > something but with VMS inside! >  > > > <bob@instantwhip.com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:? > news:1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... @ >> if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us wouldF >> all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from someH >> current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could beH >> free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!  Everyone couldI >> chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I am H >> sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this new$ >> company ... is anyone doing this? >>   >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:37:57 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! $ Message-ID: <ctlqdl$675$2@online.de>  C In article <1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com writes:   ? > if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us would E > all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from some G > current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could be G > free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market!  Everyone could H > chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I amG > sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this new # > company ... is anyone doing this?   H Let's see...Compaq paid $9 billion for DEC.  Let's say VMS is "worth" 1 E billion.  Let's be optimistic and say we can get 10,000 volunteers.   H That's $100,000 each.  I think that a real VMS enthusiast would be able F to invest at most, day, $10,000.  So we need 100,000 people.  Doesn't  seem viable to me.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:47:52 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! ( Message-ID: <opslhad2pwzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:37:57 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES   1 to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:   I > Let's see...Compaq paid $9 billion for DEC.  Let's say VMS is "worth" 1 E > billion.  Let's be optimistic and say we can get 10,000 volunteers. I > That's $100,000 each.  I think that a real VMS enthusiast would be able G > to invest at most, day, $10,000.  So we need 100,000 people.  Doesn't  > seem viable to me.  I Haven't yet seen the numbers for 2004, but based on 2003 numbers, I think = the number would have to be much bigger, maybe as much as $8B    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:41:13 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: MySQL problem8 Message-ID: <3bqrv014fq55d6goq1ip2dejam46sl2tro@4ax.com>  H On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:59:16 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:   >Nigel Barker wrote:K >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:  >>   >>  J >>>Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are % >>>there any gotchas form the outset?  >>   >>  R >> It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just pure PHP. >>   >> --  >> Nigel Barker " >> Live from the sunny Cote d'AzurB >There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the package C >produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin uses  B >multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a  >filename it appears.   P I always find UNZIP to be problematical with the typically wacko UNIX filenames.K One particular quirk I have found is it setting names of all directories to  upper case.   L I would always recommend grabbing the tar file & extracting the files eitherI using standalone VMSTAR or access it from the BASH shell provided by GNV.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:56:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: MySQL problemB Message-ID: <1107161150.97433eb03555bfa388d74932f5cf41c7@teranews>  C > >There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the package D > >produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin usesC > >multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a  > >filename it appears.   E Same stuff when you try to copy an HTML site. The copying process may D localise the VMS file names, but the HREFs inside still point to the quirky file names.  H I still say VMS should have the ALL-IN-1 equivalent of MAKE_FILE_NAME inC its file system. Takes any string and transforms it into valid file E name. This way, there would be one standard and consistent way to get  foreign file names to fit VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:06:28 -0000 % From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: MySQL problem0 Message-ID: <10vsiblk3lhj011@corp.supernews.com>  J Using GNUTAR on the phpmyadmin tarball produces a top level folder of the H following format, PHPMYADMIN-2^.2^.6.DIR which renders (from what I can K tell) the folder unusable in VMS. I have to use DFU to get rid of it. What  3 are those '^' carat symbols and why do they appear?     / "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message  2 news:3bqrv014fq55d6goq1ip2dejam46sl2tro@4ax.com...J > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:59:16 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote: >  >>Nigel Barker wrote: L >>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote: >>>  >>> J >>>>Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are& >>>>there any gotchas form the outset? >>>  >>> J >>> It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just 
 >>> pure PHP.  >>>  >>> -- >>> Nigel Barker# >>> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur B >>There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the packageC >>produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin uses B >>multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a >>filename it appears. > H > I always find UNZIP to be problematical with the typically wacko UNIX  > filenames.K > One particular quirk I have found is it setting names of all directories   > to
 > upper case.  > H > I would always recommend grabbing the tar file & extracting the files  > eitherK > using standalone VMSTAR or access it from the BASH shell provided by GNV.  >  > -- > Nigel Barker" > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:28:51 -0800) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com>  Subject: Re: MySQL problemC Message-ID: <1107185331.014066.292800@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    issinoho wrote: G > Using GNUTAR on the phpmyadmin tarball produces a top level folder of  the E > following format, PHPMYADMIN-2^.2^.6.DIR which renders (from what I  can G > tell) the folder unusable in VMS. I have to use DFU to get rid of it.  What5 > are those '^' carat symbols and why do they appear?   C That is a perfectly good directory on an ODS-5 disk. Make sure youreF process is set to EXTENDED parsing by entering "set proc/parse=extend". before trying to use it. DO NOT GET RID OF IT.  G The carets are escape characters and tell DCL that the dots are part ofqB the file name and do not seperate the filename from the extension.   Ken7   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100d4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station/ Message-ID: <41FDF2F9.2010605@transgrid.com.au>t   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Hi,  > J > Sometime ago someone responding on this newsgroup had a pointer to theirJ > photography site - name and site lost in the mists.  Anyway, there was a5 > great picture (b/w) of the Battersea Power Station.e > N > If you spot this you might leave me the address.  I am perhaps interested in" > acquiring a print (a large one). >  > Thanks > Dr. Dweebt > G I've just got back from 5 weeks leave.  Sortta confused between US and  A UK -- is 01/02 second of Jan or first of Feb (which hasn't quite   happened yet :-)  D Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve I Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego.  Some excellent  ' shots of the site (between the fights).u  E Is the station still going?  I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when +H Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years.  The A station was  already shut down.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************t  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisenB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the l= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with VC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usese> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:33 +0100s0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power StationB Message-ID: <41fdf7ea$0$18557$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  >  > Dr. Dweeb wrote: >  >> Hi, >>K >> Sometime ago someone responding on this newsgroup had a pointer to theirRK >> photography site - name and site lost in the mists.  Anyway, there was a 6 >> great picture (b/w) of the Battersea Power Station. >>B >> If you spot this you might leave me the address.  I am perhaps  >> interested in# >> acquiring a print (a large one).  >>	 >> ThanksT >> Dr. Dweeb >>I > I've just got back from 5 weeks leave.  Sortta confused between US and nC > UK -- is 01/02 second of Jan or first of Feb (which hasn't quite n > happened yet :-) > F > Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve K > Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego.  Some excellent n) > shots of the site (between the fights).f > G > Is the station still going?  I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when mJ > Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years.  The A station was  > already shut down. >  > Regards, Paddy > : Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station?  4 I'm also fascinated by it's impressive architecture.   Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:21:53 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>e( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station8 Message-ID: <j0urv05tg3hfjn4i09190plbag4fa4l8bp@4ax.com>  1 On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100, Paddy O'Brien ' <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote:S  E >Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve RJ >Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego.  Some excellent ( >shots of the site (between the fights). >eF >Is the station still going?  I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when I >Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years.  The A station was w >already shut down.I  L It closed down not long after you left.  Grand plans have come and gone, butE it looks like the latest may be about to fly(*).  Some history at theoK ever-useful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station 5 and the link at the bottom takes you to a Flash site.   6 (*)  A bit like Pink Floyd's inflatable pig, maybe ;-)  A I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student.  Happy days.G   -- C5 Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it. R   Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station0 Message-ID: <00A3EAF2.D6C72B56@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <j0urv05tg3hfjn4i09190plbag4fa4l8bp@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:2 >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100, Paddy O'Brien( ><paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote: >hF >>Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve K >>Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego.  Some excellent o) >>shots of the site (between the fights).  >>G >>Is the station still going?  I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when -J >>Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years.  The A station was  >>already shut down. > M >It closed down not long after you left.  Grand plans have come and gone, butcF >it looks like the latest may be about to fly(*).  Some history at theL >ever-useful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station6 >and the link at the bottom takes you to a Flash site. > 7 >(*)  A bit like Pink Floyd's inflatable pig, maybe ;-)e > B >I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student.  Happy days.  F I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off toF London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park< for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.v -- u, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! e -- .K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:02:29 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>a( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station8 Message-ID: <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:o  G >I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off to G >London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Parkn= >for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix.   K A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch for ? the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-)I   --  9 Computer widow: Family goes broke watching Dad have fun. r   Mail john rather than nospam...t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station0 Message-ID: <00A3EB00.CF5FFFCC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:D >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >rH >>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off toH >>London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park> >>for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. > L >A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch for@ >the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-)  K Been there.  Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the TowerEK bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern.IK From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir- I ection of St. Paul's.  Don't recall where I went from there on that trek.i     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.= -- K, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! 4 -- 0K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMf   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:09:57 GMTI! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station8 Message-ID: <6ugsv01pln1amu93v86u1utam1dm26gfss@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:a  i >In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:rE >>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:n >>I >>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off to	I >>>London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park=? >>>for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix.i >>M >>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch forlA >>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-)u >rL >Been there.  Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the TowerL >bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern.L >From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir-J >ection of St. Paul's.  Don't recall where I went from there on that trek.  O In 1999 after visiting the Millennium Dome with my daughters we had a wonderful/P trip up-river in a water-bus. We passed all the above attractions plus the SouthP Bank complex, County Hall & finished up at the London Eye where we could see the# Houses of Parliament just up-river.c   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:05:40 +0000.- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station8 Message-ID: <i4isv014e37cfe807n8ku1a2i7e699nipk@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:a  i >In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes: E >>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:i >>I >>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off toiI >>>London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park^? >>>for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix., >>M >>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch formA >>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-)a >tL >Been there.  Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the TowerL >bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern.L >From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir-J >ection of St. Paul's.  Don't recall where I went from there on that trek.  J The Tower ?  (Hope that's not too "in" a joke.  The Tower of London is one of the oldest jails...)   L Someone has mentioned the London Eye - also worth a whirl, I'm sure, for the view from 400'.n   -- d4 ZenCrafters - Total Enlightenment in about an hour.    Mail john rather than nospam...r   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:05:58 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>D( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station8 Message-ID: <vfksv0t4o4bna7hmpvm45ot7ufl580dm4o@4ax.com>  D On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:09:57 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:  D >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >	j >>In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:F >>>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>iJ >>>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off toJ >>>>London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park@ >>>>for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >>>PN >>>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch forB >>>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) >>M >>Been there.  Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the TowertM >>bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern.vM >>From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir-eK >>ection of St. Paul's.  Don't recall where I went from there on that trek.  >0P >In 1999 after visiting the Millennium Dome with my daughters we had a wonderfulQ >trip up-river in a water-bus. We passed all the above attractions plus the SoutheQ >Bank complex, County Hall & finished up at the London Eye where we could see theP$ >Houses of Parliament just up-river.  N I forgot to mention that it was dark but all the tourist attractions were wellN illuminated plus there was a powerful green laser running from Greenwich along the zero meridian.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'AzurS   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:45:56 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station0 Message-ID: <00A3EB12.E3CEE277@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <i4isv014e37cfe807n8ku1a2i7e699nipk@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:D >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >fj >>In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:F >>>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>_J >>>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off toJ >>>>London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park@ >>>>for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >>>hN >>>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch forB >>>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) >>M >>Been there.  Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the ToweriM >>bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern.$M >>From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir--K >>ection of St. Paul's.  Don't recall where I went from there on that trek.R >FK >The Tower ?  (Hope that's not too "in" a joke.  The Tower of London is onec >of the oldest jails...)   ?????     M >Someone has mentioned the London Eye - also worth a whirl, I'm sure, for thei >view from 400'.  J I took an evening flight on the eye.  Nice view but even with ISO1600 film I couldn't capture the view.   -- t< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.t -- y, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   -- IK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:04:58 -05007# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>y Subject: VMS Roadmaps & RTRu, Message-ID: <y-idnWC-v_6_1GPcRVn-3A@igs.net>  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/29/0333244   G I note with interest that on Slide 41, RTR on Tru64 and Solaris will be<G desupport as of v5.0, due to arrive in 3Q2005. No unix platform will be I supported as of that time (only 32-bit linux) - not even the world's mostfF popular commercial unix - Solaris. VAX support will also cease at that release.  L All in all, an excellent way to paint one's self into a corner as far as the real world is concerned.  I Solaris support ought to be kept if for no other reason other than to saytG that RTR is inter-operable with other vendors products (Windows doesn't. count as it is a virus).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.062 ************************