1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 03 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 367       Contents:* alpha instruction set - free to implement?. Re: alpha instruction set - free to implement?8 Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - OpenVMS Technical Journal - June 2005 Re: Date to quadword in DCL????  different topic - personal Re: different topic - personal Re: FreeVMS 0.1.7 1 Network card problems? Or something like that....  OpenVMS 8.2 + ACUEXE OT:Alpha CPU's history/ Re: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWB $ Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available# Re: US military and confidentiality # Re: US military and confidentiality # Re: US military and confidentiality # Re: US military and confidentiality  Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2005 12:23:05 -0700 ! From: "mariuz" <mapopa@gmail.com> 3 Subject: alpha instruction set - free to implement? C Message-ID: <1120332185.022215.130990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   1 I have one question related to alpha architecture & Is alpha instruction set free to use ?  5 Does it it mean that creating a cpu from scratch with / alpha instruction set HP/Intel will not sue me?   D "though the architecture was *free de jure*, most important hardware/ designs of it were pretty much closed de facto"  it is written in on this page . http://www.alasir.com/alpha/alpha_history.html  / Until I will solve the legal problems i started  this project (Alpha revival)  8 http://www.opencores.org/projects.cgi/web/omega/overview   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:11:46 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: alpha instruction set - free to implement? 0 Message-ID: <BEECB392.107D7%roktsci@comcast.net>   On 7/2/05 12:23 PM, in article? 1120332185.022215.130990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "mariuz"  <mapopa@gmail.com> wrote:   3 > I have one question related to alpha architecture ( > Is alpha instruction set free to use ? > 7 > Does it it mean that creating a cpu from scratch with 1 > alpha instruction set HP/Intel will not sue me?  > F > "though the architecture was *free de jure*, most important hardware1 > designs of it were pretty much closed de facto"  > it is written in on this page 0 > http://www.alasir.com/alpha/alpha_history.html > 1 > Until I will solve the legal problems i started  > this project (Alpha revival) > : > http://www.opencores.org/projects.cgi/web/omega/overview > I I seem to remember that this was an issue once that Intel tried to combat J but failed. Instruction sets or processors cannot be copy written. That isJ why AMD was able to make a processor that was Intel compatible. As long asG the electronics that implement the instructions are not copied, you can 3 build your own. But I would do more research first.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:02:10 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> A Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - OpenVMS Technical Journal - June 2005 ? Message-ID: <da6kr2$4qq$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,   G > Can I assume that folks know that anyone can write an article for the  > technical journal?  J Nope. I for one assumed it was an agenda diven propaganda tool designed toK socially engineer the user base. (But that's just my paranoia kickin' in) I L stand corrected and appologise for slagging-off various articles. If I'm tooI lazy to spend the time to come up with something worthwhile then I should  just shut up about it.  ! Hands-up. Guilty. I've been told!    Cheers Richard Maher  I PS. Sue, I've only ever met you the once but from what I've read recently J (for you) you're goin' balistic! The one thing I think we can all agree onK is what's written here doesn't matter. So cheer up, get back in there, what ; you're "really" doing is far more important than this crap.   . <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message< news:1120252622.950668.42040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...G > Can I assume that folks know that anyone can write an article for the  > technical journal? >  > sue  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:37:28 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Date to quadword in DCL????+ Message-ID: <42C6FB08.294A7244@comcast.net>    derek pietro wrote:  > E > Can someone point me to something that might lead me to the path of H > converting a date string to a binary quadword in DCL? (If its possible > there)D > If it cant be done in DCL I would like simply to know that as well	 > Thanks!   $ DCL only deals in longword integers.  D That said, see Keith's post for a link to a post form this group via Google.   E Perhaps if you could let us know what you need to do with that info., , someone here could offer better suggestions.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2005 15:05:09 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com # Subject: different topic - personal C Message-ID: <1120341909.922204.101630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F This is kind of personal to me, and for people that know me its no big0 surprise but for folks that do not, surprise ;')  C I hope that folks had a chance to take a look and educate ourselves G about liveaid on Saturday. I do not like politics at all as anyone that D knows me will tell you. Since it divides people and nations  This is not politics its people   F Sometimes we forget how spoiled we are.  We do not have to worry aboutE our children going to bed hungry at night, we can go to the Dr's when E we need to and we have the luxury of talking to each other about what F we do for work, we can disagree, argue and complain.  Not everyone has
 these things.   E When everything is said and done, humans being humane really makes us . different and hopefully better than animals.     sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:09:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: different topic - personal , Message-ID: <42C72CBB.7C55B074@teksavvy.com>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:H > Sometimes we forget how spoiled we are.  We do not have to worry aboutG > our children going to bed hungry at night, we can go to the Dr's when G > we need to and we have the luxury of talking to each other about what H > we do for work, we can disagree, argue and complain.  Not everyone has > these things.   L And in africa, a large number of children don't even have parents since theyL died of aids, and the children are too busy to take care of each other to go to school (if available).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:59:16 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: FreeVMS 0.1.7B Message-ID: <42c70026$0$22764$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   marius popa wrote:$ > any bochs image with new version ? > The old link doesn't work :(8 > http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/disk1.tar.bz2 >     F I have successfully downloaded that file by conjuring it's ghost with  Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine.  S http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/disk1.tar.bz2     3 I also have the following links listed for bochs...   2 bochs - DOS Emulation on VMS - Directory /~burley/( http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~burley/    bochs - FreeBSD Ports: Emulators+ http://www.freebsd.org/ports/emulators.html   % bochs - FreshPorts -- emulators/bochs * http://www.freshports.org/emulators/bochs/  : bochs: The Open Source IA-32 Emulation Project (Home Page) http://bochs.sourceforge.net/    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:50:57 +1000# From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> : Subject: Network card problems? Or something like that....- Message-ID: <42c76eb2@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Hi All  K OK, decided to get my AlphaServer 400 running to do some testing, it has a  I updated to latest (and last) SRM firmware.  It has a network card (DEC I  J think) with a 21140 chip that the SRM identifies as DECchip 21140 Network 6 Controller, ewa0.0.0.11.0 with a MAC id that seems OK.  J In the SRM, tyring to do set "ewa0_mode auto" fails, so I settle for "set ? ewa0_mode FD" which results in 100Mbit/FD TP - so far, so good.   H Do a clean install of VMS7.2-2 (latest I have) and load up the assorted G Hobbyist licenses, configure TCPIP, check LANCP which sees the card as  K 100Mbit/FD, start TCPIP and enter the default route via "route add default  E x.x.x.x" - still OK.  So, I can ping 127.0.0.1 and y.y.y.y (it's own  M address), but I cant ping the gateway or anything else nor can anything else   ping it.  L So................ card problems?  Should I try to find a DE500 even though M this seems to be recognised?  Doing any network activity sees lights on both  = the card and the switch flashing away, no collisions evident.    TIA    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2005 12:59:55 -0700 2 From: harri.klemetti@fipow.abb.fi (Harri Klemetti) Subject: OpenVMS 8.2 + ACUEXE < Message-ID: <472dc69e.0507021159.a7ae972@posting.google.com>   Hi,   ; Anybody know how to actually install the ACUEXE utility for E controlling the SmartArray 5300 RAID controller on OpenVMS Alpha 8.2?   A I downloaded the Management Agents (+patch) installed those - OK.   D Then downloaded HP-AXPVMS-ACUXE-V0640-11P08-1.PCSI which is supposedD to be for OpenVMS 8.2 - BUT THIS DOES NOT INSTALL, instead I get the following error:   %PCSI-E-READERR, error reading1 NEKS01$DKA0:<KIT>HP-AXPVMS-ACUXE-V0640-11P08-1.PC  SI;2# -DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax " %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failedC %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition  N    Regards,    Harri Klemetti, Helsinki/FINLAND   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2005 11:35:40 -0700 ! From: "mariuz" <mapopa@gmail.com>  Subject: OT:Alpha CPU's history C Message-ID: <1120329340.781551.114520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   C I have spoted this very good article on http://alphalinux.org site:   E Paul V. Bolotoff recently posted a comprehensive history of the Alpha C CPU to a mailing list, and I thought the AlphaLinux people might be  interested in it: . http://www.alasir.com/alpha/alpha_history.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:26:31 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>8 Subject: Re: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWB2 Message-ID: <sPednc2Hdt3FrFrfRVn-hw@speakeasy.net>   David B Sneddon wrote:# > Rich Jordan was overheard to say:  >  >> jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote: >>	 >>> Dave, K >>>      thank you most kindly; I'll try that tonight.  I didn't even think E >>> about the panacea.dat file; it gets hit when CSWB starts, but not H >>> apparently during a junk marking or unmarking operation (per the set >>> watch anyway). >>> G >>>      Too bad about the training, but perhaps its not a bad thing to > >>> start fresh with current spam for the mill.  Thanks again. >>>  >>> Rich >>>  >>C >> Well, that didn't work.  This is truly wierd.  After moving the  H >> training.dat and panacea.dat files to a holding location (on another H >> disk), I started CSWB.  As soon as I entered mail (which took a long J >> time) a new panacea.dat file was created, but no training.dat file.  I H >> then downloaded new mail (which CSWB is configured to do a junk mail I >> check against as it comes in, though all it does is mark it as junk),  - >> and I got several messages marked as junk.  >>H >> Since there's supposedly no training database, I'm not sure how that  >> happened... >>G >> I then tried to take a junk-marked file and set it to not be junk.   J >> Disk activity, no change.  Try to mark an un-caught spam as junk, same H >> result; some disk activity, but the file status does not change.  No D >> training.dat file was created, at that time or upon exiting CSWB. >>J >> I'll work on it more tomorrow.  Thanks anyway, Dave, perhaps this will 4 >> lead to a fix even if it wasn't the problem here. >> >> Rich  >> > A > I had problems on two different systems, one at work and one at D > home.  After getting one working, I tried the other, doing exactly+ > the same sequence but still had problems. 6 > Exit SWB, delete panacea.dat, delete training.dat;*,8 > copy nla0: training.dat, check that the protections on! > the files are OK, then restart.  > 
 > Regards, > Dave.    Dave, I       thanks again for the help, but nothing seems to be working on this  G system.  The empty training.dat stays empty and untouched, panacea.dat  I gets recreated each time, and inbound mail still continues to get marked  A as spam even though the training database should be nonexistent.  I Unfortunately its now marking more legit mail as being junk, and I still  I cannot change the status of a mail message from junk to not junk or vice  D versa.  Can't use the toolbar button, the mail listing icon, or the ! right-click mark message options.   H       I tried one more item on a lark; in the prefs.js file there is an B entry for "user_pref("mailnews.ui.junk.firstuse", false);" that I H switched to true (while CSWB was off).  Thats the only 'junk' reference H in the prefs file and it seemed worth a try.  The only thing it did was H cause a dialog to pop up when trying to set a message to junk the first  time.   H       I think at this point I'm going to see if I can cause the problem I to happen on a work system thats under support, and if it does, nudge HP  4 for a fix or explanation.  Thanks for all your help.   Rich Jordan  CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:32:47 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available + Message-ID: <42C6F9EF.8FDA7B0F@comcast.net>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > 1 > there: http://www.vmsgateway.net/mig_corner.htm   ) Blank white page in Netscape V4.77 on W2K    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2005 13:44:36 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: US military and confidentiality3 Message-ID: <vfVxnoM6W8vb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <42C697AB.7712.AAA0DC8@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:* > On 2 Jul 2005 at 9:40, Tom Linden wrote:C >> Can you license VMS to run on CHARON-VAX or does it have to be a F >> transfer of an existing license?  If so, can you do it, or does one$ >> have to go to HP for the license? > G > I have customers who buy licenses from HP for their "new" VAX.  Most  B > use a HP-authorized license reseller since getting the licenses ' > directly HP appears to be impossible.   < Tom might have a better time of it than your other customers3 since Tom's company is an ISV and a member of DSPP.    Or not.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:25:20 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> , Subject: Re: US military and confidentiality; Message-ID: <ASBxe.176149$IO.15825@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:) > On 2 Jul 2005 at 13:14, JF Mezei wrote:  >  >  >>"Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: >>F >>>My understanding is that HP will only sell VMS software support for: >>>CHARON-VAX systems that run on HP (or Compaq) hardware. >  >    > E >>Since Charon-VAX is the actual hardware from VMS' point of view, is ' >>there any technical reason for this ?  >  > H > VMS doesn't see CHARON-VAX.  It sees a VAX 4000, or a MicroVAX II, or ( > a VAX 6630, whatever's being emulated. >  > : >>Also, how does HP know on what PC Charon is running on ? >  > E > The customer buys VMS support directly from HP.  I don't know what   > customers say to buy it. > F > Most of the "big" systems (6000's, 7000's, multi-node clusters) are H > on support, both hardware and software.  The MicroVAX 3100's in broom E > closets typically aren't.  That's a cost/benefit decision that the   > customer makes.  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com+ > "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"  >  >   D Sharon VAX is STILL a PC.   I typically see VAXes and Alphas up for A months or years.  How about PCs?  PCs are still subject to cyber  ? attacks.  VMS protects our nation.   Run on real VMS platforms.   D I see Charon VAX a useful place for an engineer who can reboot, and  doesn't need reliability.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:45:12 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>, Subject: Re: US military and confidentiality- Message-ID: <42C6B688.30665.29A7A7@localhost>   . On 2 Jul 2005 at 13:44, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  I > [...] since getting the licenses directly HP appears to be impossible.   > > > Tom might have a better time of it than your other customers5 > since Tom's company is an ISV and a member of DSPP.   ; Okay, that's an exception.  "Ordinary" customers can't buy   licenses...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:54:40 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>, Subject: Re: US military and confidentiality, Message-ID: <42C6B8C0.1909.3251AF@localhost>  + On 2 Jul 2005 at 19:25, Beach Runner wrote: E > Sharon VAX is STILL a PC.   I typically see VAXes and Alphas up for B > months or years.  How about PCs?  PCs are still subject to cyberA > attacks.  VMS protects our nation.   Run on real VMS platforms.  > E > I see Charon VAX a useful place for an engineer who can reboot, and  > doesn't need reliability.   E CHARON-VAX is not subject to "cyber attacks".  Check out app note 29  9 from the CHARON-VAX web site (http://www.charon-vax.com).   = CHARON-VAX is a "real" VMS platform -- it passes all the VAX   verification tests.   B My experience is that Windows (*gulp*) can be stable if it's only A running one application with all unnecessary services disabled.   D There's an app note on that, too.  I full expect multi-year uptimes  if using server-class hardware.     3 [Yes, I am a CHARON-VAX reseller, and proud of it.]   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:15:33 -0400 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> % Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7 $ Message-ID: <42C6D9C5.70101@gce.com>   Uses for FreeVMS? S    If it should become popular, it could provide a way to get a LOT of applications Q running from that system service set. That the system services have been designed M to be more secure than most other OSs will help, and will be a more effective N tool for selling the commercial built-like-a-battleship VMS code than most any% other measure I see being undertaken.    Glenn Everhart   Thierry Dussuet wrote:B > On 2005-06-30, Phillip Helbig <helbig@multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote: > A >>In article <slrndc5hag.1cb.knatschke@rayleigh.systella.fr>, JKB $ >><knatschke@koenigsberg.fr> writes: >> >>= >>>	New release available at ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/freevms < >>>	or http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/indexGB.html >>F >>Can someone explain to me what the point of FreeVMS is?  A hobbyist A >>can get real VMS for free (or, in some countries, almost free).  >>[...] H >>So, who actually uses FreeVMS, or would be interested in doing so, andG >>for what?  Other than hacker types, of course, just doing it for fun.  >  > P > Fancy an operating system feeling like VMS, but on an x86?  Where if somethingL > doesn't work like you like, you can change it yourself (even if most users1 > probably wouldn't make use of this feature ;-))  > 	 > Thierry    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.367 ************************