1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 372       Contents: Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005 0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET Re: Date to quadword in DCL????  java commapi openvms= Mozilla on VMS seems to only take shorter urls than on the PC 5 Re: Network card problems? Or something like that....  Re: ntp not synchronising G Re: Open VMS BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) / Re: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWB 
 Re: SAN & DFU  Re: Vax emulator Re: Vax emulator' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download @ Re: VMS732_SHADOWING V4.0, mount verification, solid-state disks@ Re: VMS732_SHADOWING V4.0, mount verification, solid-state disks Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7 Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7$ [OpenVMS V8.2] ANALYZE/DISASSEMBLE ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 03:27:45 -0700 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005C Message-ID: <1120559265.622236.236910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Didier,   G Thanks from me and many other Americans to the nation of France for the > vital assistance it provided as our own nation was being born.  F Any current political differences between our two homelands seem pettyF when set beside the many times our troops and yours have stood side by7 side to fight and often to die in the cause of freedom.   
 Au revoir,   Galen    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 07:37:52 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: 04-JUL-20053 Message-ID: <49FIK9dSBcaL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A46429.013B3DC6@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: f > In article <42c94d54$0$31104$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:J >>Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of America. > . > It's not everything it's cracked up to be... > N > After all, taxation *with* representation isn't all that great and certainly > not worthy of all the hoopla.   F    You should try living in DC.  There's a reason they provide license:    plates with the logo "Taxation without Representation".   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 07:38:06 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005B Message-ID: <1120574286.935371.24770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Didier Morandi wrote: J > Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of America. >  > D.    C Thank you! Very kind of you to chime in with this. Have a good day!    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:41:06 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: 04-JUL-20054 Message-ID: <42ca9d1c$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net>   Doc. wrote: C > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A46441.80D99A47@SendSpamHere.ORG  > A >> In article <Xns9689D459B52D5dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, "Doc." " >> <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:E >>> %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A46429.013B3DC6@SendSpamHere.ORG  >>> H >>>> In article <42c94d54$0$31104$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi% >>>> <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: E >>>>> Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of  >>>>> America. >>>>1 >>>> It's not everything it's cracked up to be...  >>>>G >>>> After all, taxation *with* representation isn't all that great and , >>>> certainly not worthy of all the hoopla. >>>  >>> Nevermind. >>> C >>> Just celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a  >>> small part of it. :-)  >>? >> Hmm... OK.  How about the Infernal Revenue Service building?  > ( > Now there's an institution we could... > 2 > Shhh!  You'll get us both on the no fly list. :) > C > "Honest officer, my off-the-cuff comment on Usenet was just about 
 > fireworks."     J Canada's Minister of Nation Defense has been denied boarding on commercialG flights to the US because somebody else with the same common name, Bill  Graham, is on the list.   G A few phone calls and some heated discussion permitted him to board the I planes before they departed without him -  but he's had to endure this on  several occasions.  H Now imagine that your name is also a common one, say John Smith, but youI don't have the same sort of connections to clear-up the problem virtually K instantaneousl as Mr. Graham did. You're probably not going to get a refund G from the airline or the tour company, you'll be left wading through the L bureaucratic nightmare of trying to get yourself off the no-fly list, and itK will probably cost you tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees to hire a  lawyer to do the work for you.     --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:22:20 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: 04-JUL-20050 Message-ID: <00A464DC.45936B09@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <49FIK9dSBcaL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: V >In article <00A46429.013B3DC6@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:g >> In article <42c94d54$0$31104$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: K >>>Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of America.  >>  / >> It's not everything it's cracked up to be...  >>  O >> After all, taxation *with* representation isn't all that great and certainly   >> not worthy of all the hoopla. > G >   You should try living in DC.  There's a reason they provide license ; >   plates with the logo "Taxation without Representation".   K But you get even with that psycho road system in DC.  I was just down there  about 2 weeks ago.  WTF!  J You drive on a road that is shown on a map as two-way all the way through.K Then, you get on that two-way and wind up on a one-way (and it always seems J to be in the direction opposite to the direction you want to travel).  So,J you take detour around the one-way portion back to where the road is again2 two-way only to repeat the one-way nonsense again.  C On the bright side, the insides of XM Satellite Radio was way cool!  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:59:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005, Message-ID: <42CABC66.39DB9487@teksavvy.com>   Didier Morandi wrote: N > we started in 1776, you "sent back the lift" in 1944, let's hope that all is > over now.   N I wonder what percentage of americans who were attacking France and wanting toN rename "french fries" to "liberty fries" know that the statue of liberty was a gift from France ?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 07:15:26 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 3 Message-ID: <+Sc6pQqLXH+c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <dadisc$qd5$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  > Hi Larry,  > E >> I am saying that users of STARLET expect their use to persist over  >> VMS version changes,  > N > I hear (and like) what you're saying but Forrest's beaten me into submissionE > and I am (as we speak) changing my example program to do a .library M > "t3$lib". Having said that, if you could point to just one third-party user H > of starlet out there then I'm happy to go back into bat. Who are these' > "users of STARLET" that you speak of?   J The users of STARLET of whom I speak were those whose programs use a macroH from STARLET.  They expect no recompilation or recoding requirements due to VMS upgrades.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:38:07 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 2 Message-ID: <33wye.7990$uk2.6080@news.cpqcorp.net>  ? In article <da9jq1$5d5$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, 5 "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   M >If I'm shipping a product that has a macro symbol definitions file, should I  >(at VMSINSTAL time) >  >a) Stick it in STARLET.MLB  >b) Stick it in LIB.MLB  >c) Ship my own macro library 
 >d) a n other    (1) K Most files, including library files, that are part of the OpenVMS operating K system are replaced when OpenVMS is updated.  This includes STARLET.MLB and G LIB.MLB.  Thus any user/3rd-party/LP entries are LOST after an upgrade. / (They can also be lost after applying a patch.)   9 User/3rd-party/LP entries are PRESERVED in the following:        STARLET.OLB      IMAGELIB.OLB     HELP.HLB     DCLTABLES.EXE   F In addition, various files, mostly command procedures, are provided asD TEMPLATE files.  The .TEMPLATE files are replaced in an upgrade; the! corresponding .COM files are not.   1 This argues for NOT using STARLET.MLB or LIB.MLB.    (2)  Please give up on VMSINSTAL!8 Use the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI) utility.     --J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:23:10 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 2 Message-ID: <2Rvye.7989$uk2.1852@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <rdeininger-0307052015030001@user-105n8e0.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:I >In article <da9jq1$5d5$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Richard , >Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote: >  >>Hi,  >>N >>If I'm shipping a product that has a macro symbol definitions file, should I >>(at VMSINSTAL time)  >> >>a) Stick it in STARLET.MLB >>b) Stick it in LIB.MLB >>c) Ship my own macro library >>d) a n other >  >C or D. > - >Don't put 3rd party stuff in Starlet or lib.  > > For one reason, because LP/3rd-party/customer entries in these9 libraries WILL be lost the next time OPenVMS is upgraded.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:43:16 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 2 Message-ID: <U7wye.7991$uk2.5894@news.cpqcorp.net>  @ In article <dabnpk$se7$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, 5 "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   L >Just what the hell *is* the "I" option on the Provide_Image Callback for ifI >it is not fully supported? So *is* IMAGELIB.OLB trashed everytime VMS is  >upgraded? ...  K User/3rd-Pary/LP entries in IMAGELIB.OLB *ARE* preserved durring an OpenVMS E operating system upgrade.  However, IMAGELIB.OLB is *NOT* one of the  G libraries under discussing here (or at least not in the original post).    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:04:56 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 2 Message-ID: <cswye.7995$uk2.1655@news.cpqcorp.net>  * In article <dabmpr$7tc$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>,   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  O >Why is VMS engineering replacing these files rather than just merging updates   >into each library ?  H Short answer: OpenVMS has never supported user changes to the O/S exceptH in limited, well defined areas.  This has worked well and is not likely 
 to change.  O >After all we can put third-party applications help information in the standard M >help library and newer help information is just merged in when the system is  >upgraded to a new VMS version.   G There are roughly 2000 files that make up the OpenVMS operating system. ? There is nothing to prevent you from modifying any or all them. D However, if you expect OpenVMS to operate as documented, and OpenVMSB engineering to support the O/S, you would be well advised to limitE your modifications to what is supported.  Otherwise it is likely that F sooner or later neither you nor OpenVMS engineering will have any idea) what is going on on your modified system.   + Additions to three libraries ARE supported:   2     STARLET.OLB -- IMAGELIB.OLB -- and HELPLIB.HLB   and also to DCLTABLES.EXE.  F Supporting changes in other libaries is *NOT* simply a matter of "justF merging updates".  Even with these libraries it is an ongoing issue toE ensure that user/3rd-party/LP changes are compatible with OpenVMS and 6 that they remain compatible when OpenVMS is upgraded.   H If you are aware of the {ahem} "infamous" problem of "duplicate keys in G STARLTE.OLB" that may give you a hint of just how bad things could get.   D SOoo... If you have a real business problem that cannot be addressedC with the existing way things are, please make your case and it will D be considered.  However, please realize that you will most liekly be) directed to existing, documented methods.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:08:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET , Message-ID: <42CA946B.C1AD6194@teksavvy.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote: > Please give up on VMSINSTAL!: > Use the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI) utility.  N With VMSinstall, the script runs withiin the context of the main process, withG output going to a well known place. With PCSI, any DCL code you need to E execute runs in a subprocess with output not so garanteed, neither is , prompting for stuff that needs to be asked.     M Have they now made it possible for PCSI to install files in totally different ? directories/devices and prompt where they should be installed ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:20:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET , Message-ID: <42CA972C.DFA87311@teksavvy.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:- > Additions to three libraries ARE supported:  > 4 >     STARLET.OLB -- IMAGELIB.OLB -- and HELPLIB.HLB >  > and also to DCLTABLES.EXE.    N Why would STARLET.OLB be user changeable, but not STARLET.MLB and friends such as SYS$STARLET_C.TLB ?  G Perhaps VMS should have provided for a user modifiable object and macro L libraries. (eg: USER_STARLET ).  This way, there would be no problems duringL upgrades and it would make it far easier for a system manager to see exactlyM what was added to his system since it would be in a separate file from the OS  supplied modules.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:33:24 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET ( Message-ID: <opstf2pycgzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:20:32 -0400, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Charlie Hammond wrote:. >> Additions to three libraries ARE supported: >>5 >>     STARLET.OLB -- IMAGELIB.OLB -- and HELPLIB.HLB  >> >> and also to DCLTABLES.EXE.  >  > E > Why would STARLET.OLB be user changeable, but not STARLET.MLB and    > friends such > as SYS$STARLET_C.TLB ? > I > Perhaps VMS should have provided for a user modifiable object and macro I > libraries. (eg: USER_STARLET ).  This way, there would be no problems    > duringH > upgrades and it would make it far easier for a system manager to see  	 > exactly J > what was added to his system since it would be in a separate file from   > the OS > supplied modules.   D Aren't all the STARLET libs derived from the underlying SDL sources?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:01:35 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET - Message-ID: <42CA688F.3660.E34F25C@localhost>    Charlie Hammond wrote: > Please give up on VMSINSTAL!: > Use the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI) utility.  F Sure.  Just as soon as PCSI is supported in VMS V5.5.  I have lots of " customers still on that version...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:02:41 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET ( Message-ID: <opstf32rn6zgicya@hyrrokkin>  7 On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:01:35 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle    <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:   G > Sure.  Just as soon as PCSI is supported in VMS V5.5.  I have lots of $ > customers still on that version...    K Just out of curiosity, why do you think HP/Compaq/Digital never succeded in K upgrading these customers?  It must represent a significant loss of support  revenue.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 11:24:22 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 3 Message-ID: <EPMa3fnYm1lv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <33wye.7990$uk2.6080@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:   > (2)  > Please give up on VMSINSTAL!: > Use the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI) utility.  ? Let us know when PCSI learns about clusters and is smart enough B not to REMOVE a username from a shared SYSUAF file due to software- being removed from just a single system disk.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 11:25:53 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 3 Message-ID: <P2IyOKgJpaiT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <42CA688F.3660.E34F25C@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: > Charlie Hammond wrote: >> Please give up on VMSINSTAL! ; >> Use the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI) utility.  > H > Sure.  Just as soon as PCSI is supported in VMS V5.5.  I have lots of $ > customers still on that version...  ; I'll see your need for V5.5 support and raise you VMS V4.2.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 11:26:49 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 3 Message-ID: <REZmLwQGcV2O@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opstf32rn6zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:9 > On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:01:35 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle   ! > <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  > H >> Sure.  Just as soon as PCSI is supported in VMS V5.5.  I have lots of% >> customers still on that version...  >  > M > Just out of curiosity, why do you think HP/Compaq/Digital never succeded in M > upgrading these customers?  It must represent a significant loss of support 
 > revenue.  0 Why would one change a working computer system ?  8 I believe prior version support is available for V5.5-2.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:41:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET ( Message-ID: <opstf8muaazgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On 5 Jul 2005 11:26:49 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>    wrote:  J > In article <opstf32rn6zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  	 > writes: 8 >> On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:01:35 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle" >> <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote: >>I >>> Sure.  Just as soon as PCSI is supported in VMS V5.5.  I have lots of & >>> customers still on that version... >> >>D >> Just out of curiosity, why do you think HP/Compaq/Digital never   >> succeded inH >> upgrading these customers?  It must represent a significant loss of  
 >> support >> revenue.  > 2 > Why would one change a working computer system ?  = I don't disagree with that; however, if I were a VMS salesman B (assuming they exist) I would be trying to convince my customer toC upgrade, find arguments why it would be beneficial to the customer.    > : > I believe prior version support is available for V5.5-2. Didn't know that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:04:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET , Message-ID: <42CABD8F.793357F2@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: M > Just out of curiosity, why do you think HP/Compaq/Digital never succeded in M > upgrading these customers?  It must represent a significant loss of support 
 > revenue.    L Remember that Palmer started the great software purge between 5.5-2 and 6.*.L And lots of the software didn't make it to Alpha. Many customers listened toI the message and migrated what they could to other vendors, and kept a few L specific apps on the stable systems without any need to upgrade because they, aren't adding anything new to those systems.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 10:45:45 -0700 - From: "derek pietro" <djpietro@earthlink.net> ( Subject: Re: Date to quadword in DCL????C Message-ID: <1120585545.341151.289140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   E I must copy files named like "21Jun200511004578 .00001" from an Alpha C 7.2 vms to linux. During that process I must rename the file at the ? destination - or on its way there - to 46260684457800000.00001. " All of the above is a requirement.  F If I typed all that properly, one could see that the first filename is= a dec timestamp (up to but not including the period)  and the E destination filename is the quadword representation of that filename. D (the .00001 on the end is a count of the number of files sharing the: base filename and is not relavant to the question at hand)  C I'd prefer to manipulate the filename conversion on the VMS side of B things - it appears theres no way in DCL to convert from "date" toE "quadword" hence it needs to be done in "C" - my only other choice of  things to work in.  C My original question was aimed at converting a list of quadwords to C their respective file names - but I gave up on it for reasons of no  importance here.  < I have been unsuccessfully trying to locate documentation onB "sys$bintim" - which some other posting lays claim might do what I need.   F Can someone point me to a doc that describes $bintim or something elseF that would take a (properly) formatted date/time string and convert it to its quadword?   Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:06:23 +0200 % From: Harald Pollak <h.pollak@pke.at>  Subject: java commapi openvms F Message-ID: <42ca2334$0$8592$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>   Hello everybody!  A Has anyone ported the  rxtx (opensource api) for the java commapi  ported to openvms?   Harry    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:55:45 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> F Subject: Mozilla on VMS seems to only take shorter urls than on the PC= Message-ID: <R9qye.217985$w15.166391@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   4 Is this just my issue?  It would simplify downloads.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:15:19 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> > Subject: Re: Network card problems? Or something like that....< Message-ID: <Xzpye.141109$VH2.18545@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Gremlin wrote:
 > Hi Kerry > M > The Netgear switch is about 1 year old, the DEC card is...........5 years?  N > OVMS7.2-2, no patches, no ECO - just trying to get it up so that at least I  > can download same!!  > > My DS10 has similar problems with a netgear.  TCPIP 5.4 eco 5. > 5 > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message  N > news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB650FEC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... >  >  >>-----Original Message-----* >>From: Gremlin [mailto:not-here@all.mate] >>Sent: July 4, 2005 7:29 AM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com @ >>Subject: Re: Network card problems? Or something like that.... >> >>Hi Martin  >>? >>Yes, very bad luck - it is a Netgear 24 port unmanaged switch  >>and currently > >>supports autonegotiate for a HP Netserver, 5 Wintel boxes, 2 >>DS10Ls, a 4 >>couple of Linux boxes and a Solaris box.  Only the >>AlphaServer is fussy -< >>the remainder are quite happy.  Setting it to any speed or >>duplex makes no ; >>difference, let alone auto-negotiate - and I have put two  >>different cards   >>in, just in case.  Sad........ >> >>Thanks >> >> >  > J > Just curious, but what version of the OS and patch levels are you using? >  > - > Also, what type of NIC cards are you using?  > J > As I recall, there was some OpenVMS eco's to LAN drivers awhile ago that# > fixed some auto-negotiate issues.  > C > Note - from what I have heard, there used to be a big gap in what I > various network vendors viewed as the "standard" for how auto-negotiate D > should have been handled. While most recent network devices do notE > typically have problems, many older switches have had compatibility " > issues with different NIC cards. > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > 6 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:24:24 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>" Subject: Re: ntp not synchronising/ Message-ID: <dSvye.16$FZ6.2781@news.uswest.net>   L What are you trying to sync to?  VMS won't sync to Windows 2000 SNTP serversI even though the message formats for SNTP and NTP are identical.  I had to J put the following code into our nightly cleanup routines to explicitly set our VMS system via NTP.   ! $ @sys$startup:tcpip$ntp_shutdown  $ set verify) $ NTPDATE:==$SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTPDATE.EXE ( $ ntpdate -d <local Windows 2000 Server>  
 Mike Ober.    C "Martin Hunt" <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz> wrote in message 2 news:fl44c1tke5fejh7nv9484431c1m4rpommo@4ax.com...* > Running TCP/IP V5.4 ECO 1 on VMS V7.3-2. > E > I have drawn a blank with HP support so far. They have come up with F > "your configuration file doesn't specify where the driftfile is", toH > which I have responded "well, it defaults to sys$sysroot:[tcpip$ntp]",H > and "ntptrace can't access all the servers back to the root". I say itG > shouldn't have to - getting to the next server in the chain should be B > sufficient (we can't get back to the stratum 1 server because of > firewall rules). > H > Anyway, what I am trying to do is synchronise with a stratum 3 server.C > Although I see the server, and its offset details, this server is G > never chosen as a server to synchronise with. The following is output  > from the "ntpq peer" command:  > H >      remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset > jitter > L ============================================================================ ==H >  202.36.54.19    202.36.52.9      3 u   51   64  377    7.813  180758. > 7.813 H > *LOCAL(0)        LOCAL(0)         8 l   58   64  377    0.000    0.000 > 7.813  > G > Note that we are synchronising with ourselves as a fallback position, < > but would prefer to synchronise with the stratum 3 server. > ! > The following is from ntptrace:  > E > 202.36.54.19: stratum 3, offset 181.292783, synch distance 10.24707 D > 202.36.52.9: stratum 2, offset 181.312063, synch distance 10.17047 > 172.24.156.68:  *Timeout*  > G > I have previously been able to synchronise to clocks on the internet, / > but new security policies do not permit this.  > > > How can I debug this, and find out why it won't synchronise? > E > Also, has anyone had any experience with stratum 1 servers, such as F > ones which synchronise from GPS? I am tempted to look at that option > as an alternative. >  >  >  > --- 
 > Martin Hunt  > Systems Administrator  > Fairfax New Zealand Limited  > Wellington
 > New Zealand  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:25:50 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> P Subject: Re: Open VMS BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing)9 Message-ID: <DLwye.2653$is5.345029@news20.bellglobal.com>   5 "MDPlatts" <martin.platts@cdl.co.uk> wrote in message = news:1119428024.270185.327040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >  >  > Jeff Cameron wrote: A >> Has anyone done the Open Source port of BOINC for OpenVMS AXP?  >> >> Jeff  > G > I tried - had to port several utilities to GNV environment - but then F > got stuck in a chicken/egg situation in that 2 utilities which didntI > exist needed each other - automake and autoconf or something like that. 2 > I've not tried since - but may revisit sometime. >  > Martin > . > (Team Jolt Cola - Overall World #12 @ BOINC) >    FYI: SETI-at-home on OpenVMS  D I just noticed that the "SETI only" client for OpenVMS is no longer M available from SETI-at-Home. From this time forward the Berkeley people want  D the public to use BOINC. So I contacted a few people at HP and just - (2005-07-05) received the following response:   
 ##########  M At the moment, there is no OpenVMS BOINC client.  A few of us have talked it  L over and looked at the sources, but there are a couple of functions that we K haven't been able to resolve.   Also, this was never a sanctioned project,  ; so we don't really have a whole lot of time to spend on it.   J So, there are no plans, but there is some desire and some effort going on.   Thanks for using OpenVMS!!   Cheers,  Jeff  
 ##########  L So for the remainder of 2005 I will make the old OpenVMS "SETI-only" client   available at the following link:< http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/seti_tips.html#openvms    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 09:44:12 -0700  From: jordan@ccs4vms.com8 Subject: Re: Problem with spam filtering in Mozilla/CSWBC Message-ID: <1120581852.297822.273370@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E Well, that was interesting.  Yesterday, with no other changes made to C the system or configuration, spam filtering and ops started working F again.  I marked a message as junk, and it took, updated training.dat,A and moved it to trash as expected.  After doing a number of other D spams, I went back and started unmarking numerous real messages thatG had been junkmarked after I deleted the training.dat file, and that all C worked also.  I'm up to training.dat;79, around 95 blocks, and spam 0 filtering on download is starting to work again.  G I have no idea what ended up 'fixing' it; I had not rebooted, or logged G off and on, but it was the third or fourth startup of CSWB since nuking  the working files.   All's well, I guess.   Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 10:37:12 -0700 $ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> Subject: Re: SAN & DFUB Message-ID: <1120585032.668172.23330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  B >   Just to be clear, "SAN" is a pretty vague term when describing@ > a storage configuration.  Storage Attached Network?  What does( > that mean?  (Rhetorically speaking...)  G A CI environment is a SAN, technically speaking.  The rest of the world @ is finally catching up to what DEC did 20 years ago  :-).  Maybe- they'll figure out clustering eventually too.   @ >     It may be that the EVA has such great performance comparedB > to HSG/SCSI storage that a highly fragmented EVA volume performs? > better than a "pristine", defragmented HSG volume, but you're = > still going to suffer _some_ performance hit relative to an  > unfragmented EVA volume, no?  F An EVA will most definitely not alleviate the need for defragging.  WeG stopped defragging our volumes for a while (combo of locking issue with D DFG and a CI -> EVA migration) and we took major performance hits onE the EVA disks.  Defragging is still required and the EVAs aren't fast ? enough to compensate.  We're defragging again out of necessity.   G It's important to not lose sight of the fact that the overhead to do an D I/O on the EVA SAN is higher than to do the same work on CI storage.  	    .../Ed    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 07:16:43 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Vax emulator 3 Message-ID: <foKZmvJ4a7xG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <42C6803E.30244.A4E99FE@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: + > On 1 Jul 2005 at 7:39, Bob Koehler wrote: < >> In article <3ikml7Flj2dpU1@individual.net>, Michael Unger* >> <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes: >>  G >> > I still don't understand why there is no version built on top of a 
 >> > RT OS >>  F >>    There is a version built on top of OpenVMS Alpha.  Which I wouldG >>    think would meet as many RT needs as using VMS on a VAX did.  But " >>    SRI doesn't advertise it so. > A > The Alpha version could be more deterministic than the Windows   > version, true. > A > But, most of the real-time applications need access to various  F > special hardware -- the Alpha version of CHARON-VAX doesn't connect & > to those things (Q-bus cards, etc.).  A    This should be workable.  VMS connects to 3rd party PCI based  @    replacements for many of those cards, and IIRC via a PCI-Qbus?    bridge to the originals.  A _simple_ (low latency and highly D    deterministic) layer would be needed to connect the Charon-VAX toG    the Alpha driver, or via PFNMAP connect the Charon-VAX driver to the     hardware.      Not enough customers?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:22:08 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: Vax emulator - Message-ID: <42CA5140.9394.DD9F325@localhost>   ) On 5 Jul 2005 at 7:16, Bob Koehler wrote: I > A _simple_ (low latency and highly deterministic) layer would be needed F > to connect the Charon-VAX to the Alpha driver, or via PFNMAP connect) > the Charon-VAX driver to the hardware.    @ Okay, maybe I should have said "the Alpha version of CHARON-VAX . doesn't connect to those things at present".    E It's not a lack of customers.  There are just too many possibilities  % to get them all get done immediately.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:02:22 +0200  From: Alex <aaa@bbb.ccc>0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download8 Message-ID: <s5qkc1dgfpj57hdj191eclgqqvq7503pe3@4ax.com>  C On 28 Jun 2005 01:22:42 +0200, Thomas Jahns <Thomas.Jahns@epost.de>  wrote:   >here in Germany people are not G >allowed to freely negotiate anything in a contract. There's no way for H >anyone here to give up their fundamental rights like free speech, equalI >vote and a few more. Also contracts which grossly disadvantage one party  >are not legally binding here.  > Is this (and the philosophy behind it: socialism / communism /> fascism) not the main cause of the unemployment at over 10% ??   Alex   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 05:42:29 -0700  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for downloadC Message-ID: <1120567348.973096.161060@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   . Since I started this I will put in my 2 cents.@ As I understand it HP has stated that a hobbyiest may obtain theB software by any means possible,  buying it, borrowing it or have aF total stranger make copies with no control or questions. The way I seeD it those words obtain the software opens a ftp site. No where in the> by-laws does it state that one must obtain the software from aE authorize site or person. I offered the software only and I hope that G most of the hundred or so people where hobbyiest. I didnot make a penny B off the service, nor did I ask for any money. If HP was so concernF about losing money then they need to clarify or put in laws just whereF can a hobbyiest obtain the software. At no time did I offer anyway forG a person to run the software (ie the PAKS). I am not a lawyer,  but the D way I see it someone would be hard-press to say I am doing somethingE illegal when I can give copies away with no control. No where does it G state that the copies cannot be electronic in nature for the hobbyiest. E Since there is no way to check to make sure the person is a hobbyiest C then the site must be open. I know I did not make it clear that the G software was for non-commerical use only.   I will say this that sooner F or later somebody else is going to offer the software via ftp so maybe' HP needs to step in and clear this up.   just my 2cents   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 13:26:37 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download+ Message-ID: <3ivg4dFnjqbtU1@individual.net>   , In article <42CA87CC.AD53AA70@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > P > This topic isn't new. Perhaps your offering will push HP to advance this cause > positively.   C Or negatively.  Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.   M >             However, I would strongly suggest anyone contemplating offering N > such service first contact the fine people at Montagar who run the hobbysistO > programme. They are very aware of this issue and have been working behind the F > scenes for a long time on it. One doesn't want to impede their work.  A I would suggest leaving things as they are and continuing to make B acquiring the software a private matter between someone who has itC and someone who needs it.  The system has worked fine up to now and C I, personally, see no reason to rock the boot.  For example, I very C recently acquired a couple of VAXen much newer than anything I have D had in the past.  In wanting to put up the latest version of VMS forC my students to use I merely had to ask on c.o.v and offers came in. A My system is now up and running, ready for the fall semester with A the latest version of VAX VMS.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:14:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download, Message-ID: <42CA87CC.AD53AA70@teksavvy.com>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: B > As I understand it HP has stated that a hobbyiest may obtain theD > software by any means possible,  buying it, borrowing it or have a: > total stranger make copies with no control or questions.  J I am not even sure that the owners of VMS have gone as far as "stated".  II think it is more of a case of the owner of VMS not pronouncing itself and B promising to keep a blind eye on how hobbyists obtain their media.  J The problem with your offering is that you provided no control on who getsY access to the media, and commercial customers could have made use of your free downloads.   I > software was for non-commerical use only.   I will say this that sooner H > or later somebody else is going to offer the software via ftp so maybe( > HP needs to step in and clear this up. > just my 2cents    N This topic isn't new. Perhaps your offering will push HP to advance this causeK positively. However, I would strongly suggest anyone contemplating offering L such service first contact the fine people at Montagar who run the hobbysistM programme. They are very aware of this issue and have been working behind the D scenes for a long time on it. One doesn't want to impede their work.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 08:35:06 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download3 Message-ID: <r0rozqv1I$sO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1120567348.973096.161060@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:0 > Since I started this I will put in my 2 cents.B > As I understand it HP has stated that a hobbyiest may obtain theD > software by any means possible,  buying it, borrowing it or have aH > total stranger make copies with no control or questions. The way I see6 > it those words obtain the software opens a ftp site.  M And what about that ftp site keeps _commercial_ VMS customers from using it ?   G > Since there is no way to check to make sure the person is a hobbyiest E > then the site must be open. I know I did not make it clear that the I > software was for non-commerical use only.   I will say this that sooner H > or later somebody else is going to offer the software via ftp so maybe) > HP needs to step in and clear this up.    E The fact that HP has not (to date) chosen to do so certainly makes it G clear that is not their choice.  They certainly make freeware available : for download, so they know how to configure an ftp server.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:04:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download, Message-ID: <42CA935D.11CB0A85@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:C > I would suggest leaving things as they are and continuing to make D > acquiring the software a private matter between someone who has itE > and someone who needs it.  The system has worked fine up to now and 1 > I, personally, see no reason to rock the boot.      L For some people, getting media is relatively easy, for others, it is next to" impossible. The system isn't fine.  L Providing downloadable kits is technically easy, especially for Montagar whoJ have the database of registered hobbysists. Internet costs and speeds have1 made this much easier today than a few years ago.   N What we don't know is whether HP just needs a gentle nudge to move forwards onA this, or hobbysists need to move mountains before HP will agree.    F > had in the past.  In wanting to put up the latest version of VMS forE > my students to use I merely had to ask on c.o.v and offers came in.   L Is that really within the bounds of the hobbyist programme ? I know you meanM well and are trying hard to give students exposure to VMS, but shouldn't that E be considered a commercial use of VMS within an educational context ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:10:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download, Message-ID: <42CA94D9.1B6B2A75@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:G > The fact that HP has not (to date) chosen to do so certainly makes it I > clear that is not their choice.  They certainly make freeware available < > for download, so they know how to configure an ftp server.  A Freeware need not be controlled since it is available to any/all.   I distribution of application kits for hobbysists needs to be restricted to ) hobbysists. Very different from freeware.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 15:05:46 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download+ Message-ID: <3ivluaFng7ngU1@individual.net>   , In article <42CA935D.11CB0A85@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:D >> I would suggest leaving things as they are and continuing to makeE >> acquiring the software a private matter between someone who has it F >> and someone who needs it.  The system has worked fine up to now and2 >> I, personally, see no reason to rock the boot.  >  > N > For some people, getting media is relatively easy, for others, it is next to$ > impossible. The system isn't fine.  E I think you are not giving people here the credit they deserve.  When D I needed copy of current VAX VMS (and LP) I had offers from all overE and two people sent me copies at their own cost.  I would imagine the D worst case would be that someone would expect you to pay the cost of postage.   > N > Providing downloadable kits is technically easy, especially for Montagar whoL > have the database of registered hobbysists. Internet costs and speeds have3 > made this much easier today than a few years ago.  > P > What we don't know is whether HP just needs a gentle nudge to move forwards onC > this, or hobbysists need to move mountains before HP will agree.    D Of course, the other possibility is that if you nudge them they willD move in the other direction and clamp down on distribution making itB a requirement that hobbyists buy at least a hobbyist distribution.   > G >> had in the past.  In wanting to put up the latest version of VMS for F >> my students to use I merely had to ask on c.o.v and offers came in. > N > Is that really within the bounds of the hobbyist programme ? I know you meanO > well and are trying hard to give students exposure to VMS, but shouldn't that G > be considered a commercial use of VMS within an educational context ?   E Actually, I have an educational license as well as a hobbyist license F which keeps all of my usages separate.  The point was that the currentD system works and I see no advantage to getting HP (or their lawyers)G to look at it again.  The result is not guaranteed to be what you want.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 10:27:57 -0700  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for downloadC Message-ID: <1120584477.319434.141370@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F One source is not a good choice. What happens if Montagar goes under??@ What if Montagar decides to quit??? To effectively make a impact@ sometimes the boat must not only be rocked, but maybe sunk also.G Leaving things are because it works fine now (its not broken so why fix E it) will surely one day bite you. Then when its broken people will be ? standing around saying "gee I didnot think it would ever break"    phillip    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:35:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download, Message-ID: <42CAC4CA.F37247DE@teksavvy.com>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > H > One source is not a good choice. What happens if Montagar goes under??  I Montagar is the holy grail and gatekeeper of the Hobbyist programme. They  cannot go under :-)   L I have it on good authority that David Cathey has drunken the water from theL right challis and has been granted eternal life as long as he remains in the/ cave from which the Hobbyist programme runs :-)   K Because he is entrusted with the issuance of all the hobbyists licences and K has the magic program to do it, he is the logical one to provide the proper B controls to access the media in a way that HP is comfortable with.  K HP doesn't know me or you and wouldn't really trust you or me to do it, but H they trust Mr Cathey. Now, if Mr Cathey wishes to delegate operations toH others, there are plenty like you and me who would step forwards. I have already offered my help to him.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 00:19:14 -0700 , From: "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de>I Subject: Re: VMS732_SHADOWING V4.0, mount verification, solid-state disks B Message-ID: <1120547954.644615.64450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  = We have this VMS732_SHADOWING V4.0 patch installed on several 5 systems and noticed no problems (using 'real' disks).  Have you tried a ANA/DISK/SHAD?   
 regards Kalle    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 08:15:58 -0700 $ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>I Subject: Re: VMS732_SHADOWING V4.0, mount verification, solid-state disks C Message-ID: <1120576557.960406.193230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > after which I noticed the following problem:  After mounting the shadow J > set, which immediately goes into a merge state (probably unavoidable dueG > to the page and swap files, but since it's solid-state, it is quick),   A The HBMM kit may help with this.  At least you'll do a mini-merge  instead of a full merge.  I > all is fine until the merge is about 90% complete.  The shadow set then F > goes in and out of mount verification very quickly in a never-ending? > loop.  One can mount the individual members of the shadow set F > individually and all looks OK (they come up read-only since they are > part of a shadow set).  E What's the time frame on the mount verification messages?  Do they go E in an out on a regular basis (like every minute) or is it continuous? C If the former, I know of at least 2 customers that are experiencing D this on a consistent and reproducable basis (I'm one of them and the( call has been escalated to Engineering).  C What happens if you drop one member of the shadow set and do a full  copy instead of a merge?  # >I think it is rather unlikely that I > there is some hardware problem which just happened to occur immediately  > after I applied the patches.  D It happened to me once - less than a week after I started my current? job I had a disk fail in an HSJ-40 redundant pair right after I C installed new DUDRIVER and shadowing patches.  Drove me nuts in the B middle of a change window as both HSJ-40s kept rebooting trying toB reset the disk.  I'll never forget that change window as long as ID live.  You're right though - your first instinct will be to undo the last change you did.     	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:25:02 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>% Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7 & Message-ID: <42ca43de$1@news1.ethz.ch>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: K > I agree with your goal, but not with the means.  Most people with an x86  K > run Windows.  They could run Linux, but they don't.  Availability of the  J > hardware is not why most people run an OS other than VMS, it is lack of C > awareness of VMS.  If someone really wants to run VMS on an x86,  * > wouldn't an emulator be a better option? >   E You may be missing the point here. FreeVMS is not for the home user,  G that emailer and chatter and net surfer. That one doesn't bother about  G Linux either, as you noticed. But a person using Linux knows already a  H bit about computing, a geek knows even more, and VMS needs some kind of @ technical knowledgeable people to live on. How many _young_ VMS I technicians do you know? Please take no offense, but a person in his 50s  $ is not exactly the young generation.  G And for the cheap VAX: yes, there might be cheap VAXen arund, but they  E are just a few on ebay, nobody will buy a computer just because he's  E curious about a new operating system (namely VMS), and not at least,  I these machines are SO darn slow by today's standards. And they can't run  C Java either. Gone is the VAX for the geek. An emulator could be an  F option, but still no Java (emulators are VAXen) and an antiquated GUI.  B Yeah, GUI, although VMS is not about GUI it certainly helps for a F first-timer. I'm sure that Motif would have gotten its upgrades given H more resources to the VMS development team, it just wasn't that much of A a priority in the existing low cost survival. Look, even IBM has  * alternative solutions like ClientAccess...  F Anyway, fresh blood doesn't come by itself, it must be attracted in a F way or another. No academic programmes, no marketing, no spread word, I OpenVMS has today only its 'cult' status to offer. I'm sure some wannabe  I hackers would use VMS for themselves because it's reputed unhackable, so  E this way they would gain knowledge of VMS and could use/recommend it  7 when grown up. This is a good place for FreeVMS, right?   E Along this line I recommended a while ago SourceForge, wehich is THE  F place for software projects. VMS, free or open, should get somehow in 
 the world. Or it's time for a NetVMS :D   S    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:44:07 +0000 (UTC)$ From: JKB <knatschke@koenigsberg.fr>% Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7 ; Message-ID: <slrndcki2o.dr1.knatschke@rayleigh.systella.fr>    Le 05-07-2005,  propos de Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7,   S crivait dans comp.os.vms :G > Along this line I recommended a while ago SourceForge, wehich is THE   > place for software projects.  G 	A long time ago, I have put FreeVMS on freshmeat.net. And all releases ) 	are announced on freshmeat mailing list.   	 	Regards,    	JKB   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 14:04:54 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: [OpenVMS V8.2] ANALYZE/DISASSEMBLE ? , Message-ID: <42ca9386$1@news.langstoeger.at>  G Does anyone know what the new qualifier /DISASSEMBLE for ANALYZE does ? G It seems related to ELF/I64 object files, but does exist on Alpha, too. A Is it undocumented (or am I not enthusiastic enough to find it) ?    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.372 ************************