1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 06 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 373       Contents: Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005  Re: 04-JUL-2005 0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET0 Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET8 Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - OpenVMS Technical Journal - June 2005 Re: Date to quadword in DCL????  Re: Date to quadword in DCL????  Re: Date to quadword in DCL???? A Re: Mozilla on VMS seems to only take shorter urls than on the PC 5 Re: Network card problems? Or something like that.... 5 RE: Network card problems? Or something like that....  Re: ntp not synchronising  simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS$ Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available$ Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available$ Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download ' Re: VAX software available for download B Re: WORKING_SET.COM gives all COM states when run at high priorityB Re: WORKING_SET.COM gives all COM states when run at high priority Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 12:59:17 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: 04-JUL-20053 Message-ID: <LmjBj5Rqr0Z6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <42CABC66.39DB9487@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Didier Morandi wrote: O >> we started in 1776, you "sent back the lift" in 1944, let's hope that all is  >> over now. > P > I wonder what percentage of americans who were attacking France and wanting toP > rename "french fries" to "liberty fries" know that the statue of liberty was a > gift from France ?  F    Since they were primarily Republican politicians, who don't seem to)    know very much, probably most of them.   B    Maybe they should bring back the name "The Know-Nothing Party".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:14:44 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005/ Message-ID: <00A464EB.F940FEF4.3@tachysoft.com>    >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005 ! >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG 1 >Message-ID: <00A46441.80D99A47@SendSpamHere.ORG>  >Organization: TMESIS Software  _ >In article <Xns9689D459B52D5dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes: C >>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A46429.013B3DC6@SendSpamHere.ORG  >>G >>> In article <42c94d54$0$31104$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi % >>> <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:  C >>>>Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of 
 >>>>America.   >>> 0 >>> It's not everything it's cracked up to be... >>> F >>> After all, taxation *with* representation isn't all that great and+ >>> certainly not worthy of all the hoopla.  >> >>Nevermind. >>M >>Just celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a small part   >>of it. :-) > = >Hmm... OK.  How about the Infernal Revenue Service building?  >   D I thought the Harvard Law School, or some other location with a highF concentration of (infestation of) lawyers, would be your first choice.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:24:15 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005/ Message-ID: <00A464ED.4D88B181.5@tachysoft.com>   3 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:59:17 -0500 - >Message-ID: <42CABC66.39DB9487@teksavvy.com> & >Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:59:34 -0400. >From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> >Organization: Indexed* >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 (Macintosh; U; PPC) >X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA     >  >Didier Morandi wrote:O >> we started in 1776, you "sent back the lift" in 1944, let's hope that all is  >> over now. > O >I wonder what percentage of americans who were attacking France and wanting to O >rename "french fries" to "liberty fries" know that the statue of liberty was a  >gift from France ?   H Opinions change, especially with passing generations.  The people of the* Phillippines once loved the United States.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:40:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: 04-JUL-20050 Message-ID: <00A46500.6683993A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <00A464EB.F940FEF4.3@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes: >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  >>Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005" >>From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 >>Message-ID: <00A46441.80D99A47@SendSpamHere.ORG> >>Organization: TMESIS Software  > ` >>In article <Xns9689D459B52D5dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:D >>>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A46429.013B3DC6@SendSpamHere.ORG >>> H >>>> In article <42c94d54$0$31104$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi& >>>> <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: D >>>>>Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of >>>>>America.  >>>>  1 >>>> It's not everything it's cracked up to be...  >>>>  G >>>> After all, taxation *with* representation isn't all that great and , >>>> certainly not worthy of all the hoopla. >>> 
 >>>Nevermind.  >>> N >>>Just celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a small part 
 >>>of it. :-)  >>> >>Hmm... OK.  How about the Infernal Revenue Service building? >> > E >I thought the Harvard Law School, or some other location with a high G >concentration of (infestation of) lawyers, would be your first choice.    It was a tough choice.    J Perhaps the day that the IRS building is targetted, a notice in misc.legalK days prior stating that huge sums of money will be given away freely to any L bonafide belly-slithering scumbag (aka. a lawyer) will get them flocking to  that location on that day.   Perchance to dream...    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:30:37 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: 04-JUL-20056 Message-ID: <00A46507.5679D20A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <42CABC66.39DB9487@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Didier Morandi wrote:O >> we started in 1776, you "sent back the lift" in 1944, let's hope that all is  >> over now. > O >I wonder what percentage of americans who were attacking France and wanting to O >rename "french fries" to "liberty fries" know that the statue of liberty was a  >gift from France ?   L Just to be precise, I believe we renamed sauerkraut to "Liberty Cabbage" in F WWI, but the (moronic, symbolic) Congressional cafeteria renaming was ) from "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries".     L Was freedom a gift from France?  (Well, partly; many thanks to Lafayette andL his men.  Did you know Lafayette did a farewell tour of the US in the 1820s,L and received many thanks from a graceful nation?  As to returning the favor,F our apparently successful example was one of the drivers of the FrenchL Revolution; which means they have us partly to thank for the Terror and then the Empire.)  L [And Napoleon returned the favor, again, by keeping the Brits busy elsewhereM during much of the War of 1812, during which they repeatedly kicked our asses I but couldn't afford the troops and ships to pacify and occupy the country H permanently.  If things had been quiet on the Continent, we might all be Canadians now.]    -- Alan (rambling)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 19:22:04 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 04-JUL-2005C Message-ID: <1120616524.383534.100230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote: 
 > Doc. wrote: E > > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A46441.80D99A47@SendSpamHere.ORG  > > C > >> In article <Xns9689D459B52D5dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, "Doc." $ > >> <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:G > >>> %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A46429.013B3DC6@SendSpamHere.ORG  > >>> J > >>>> In article <42c94d54$0$31104$636a15ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi' > >>>> <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: G > >>>>> Happy Independence Day to our Friends from the United States of  > >>>>> America. > >>>>3 > >>>> It's not everything it's cracked up to be...  > >>>>I > >>>> After all, taxation *with* representation isn't all that great and . > >>>> certainly not worthy of all the hoopla. > >>>  > >>> Nevermind. > >>> E > >>> Just celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a  > >>> small part of it. :-)  > >>A > >> Hmm... OK.  How about the Infernal Revenue Service building?  > > * > > Now there's an institution we could... > > 4 > > Shhh!  You'll get us both on the no fly list. :) > > E > > "Honest officer, my off-the-cuff comment on Usenet was just about  > > fireworks."  >  > L > Canada's Minister of Nation Defense has been denied boarding on commercialI > flights to the US because somebody else with the same common name, Bill  > Graham, is on the list.  > I > A few phone calls and some heated discussion permitted him to board the K > planes before they departed without him -  but he's had to endure this on  > several occasions. > J > Now imagine that your name is also a common one, say John Smith, but youK > don't have the same sort of connections to clear-up the problem virtually M > instantaneousl as Mr. Graham did. You're probably not going to get a refund I > from the airline or the tour company, you'll be left wading through the N > bureaucratic nightmare of trying to get yourself off the no-fly list, and itM > will probably cost you tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees to hire a   > lawyer to do the work for you.    G Not to pick on anyone in particular, but the guy was wishing us a happy , holiday. Is there something wrong with that?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 13:00:34 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 3 Message-ID: <81rnFLaMIZAs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opstf2pycgzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > F > Aren't all the STARLET libs derived from the underlying SDL sources?  D    I'm under the impression (reading through the cracks) the SDL was    abandon.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:18:15 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 2 Message-ID: <H9Aye.8008$cx2.3351@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <REZmLwQGcV2O@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: O >In article <opstf32rn6zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   N >> Just out of curiosity, why do you think HP/Compaq/Digital never succeded inN >> upgrading these customers?  It must represent a significant loss of support >> revenue.  > 1 >Why would one change a working computer system ?   C If one is not changing a working computer system, why does one need ! VMSINSTAL, PCSI or anything else?   C If one is not changing a working computer system, why would one pay  for support?  !         Rhetorical questions all.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 15:40:19 -0500 / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET - Message-ID: <h$SBMZQuChGr@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: & >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >>  G >> Aren't all the STARLET libs derived from the underlying SDL sources?  > F >    I'm under the impression (reading through the cracks) the SDL was
 >    abandon.   ? Huh?  SDL is (still) rather fundamental to the building of VMS.   I I'm not sure where you got the impression that SDL has been abandoned; we  rely on it quite heavily.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 16:22:18 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs STARLET 3 Message-ID: <mfMFlXmyxSsa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <h$SBMZQuChGr@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ' >>"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  >>> H >>> Aren't all the STARLET libs derived from the underlying SDL sources? >>  G >>    I'm under the impression (reading through the cracks) the SDL was  >>    abandon. > A > Huh?  SDL is (still) rather fundamental to the building of VMS.  > K > I'm not sure where you got the impression that SDL has been abandoned; we  > rely on it quite heavily.  >   G    That is good to hear. It makes me more comfortable to continue using     the freeware.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:12:12 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>A Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - OpenVMS Technical Journal - June 2005 * Message-ID: <42CB21DC.291BC8A@comcast.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > In article <rdeininger-0307051152250001@user-uinj4n6.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > N > > The garbage spewed here by you and "John Smith" and a handful of others IS? > > harmful.  It ends up drowning out constructive discussions.  > 3 > Not in cases where it trains us to use killfiles.  > K > Now if we could just get others to stop _responding_ to the doomsayers...    Larry:  H If you have any Cerner sites, ask the Cerner rep. about future plans forG the middleware layer (application server processes, segregated from the 
 database).  E I'll not "doomsay" here just yet. Suffice it to say that a missive to * senior HP management *IS* in the offing...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:40:46 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>( Subject: Re: Date to quadword in DCL????. Message-ID: <42CA9BEE.11626.EFD9F55@localhost>  + On 5 Jul 2005 at 10:45, derek pietro wrote: H > Can someone point me to a doc that describes $bintim or something elseH > that would take a (properly) formatted date/time string and convert it > to its quadword?  F You're looking for the "HP OpenVMS System Services Reference Manual", D which is hidden under "Systems Documentation" on the web site.  And 2 the $BINTIM function is hidden under "SYS$BINTIM":  F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/4527/4527pro_012.html#index_x_10 3    (pardon the wrap)   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:41:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Date to quadword in DCL????, Message-ID: <42CAD456.C6E1A2B9@teksavvy.com>   derek pietro wrote:  > G > I must copy files named like "21Jun200511004578 .00001" from an Alpha E > 7.2 vms to linux. During that process I must rename the file at the A > destination - or on its way there - to 46260684457800000.00001. $ > All of the above is a requirement. > H > If I typed all that properly, one could see that the first filename is7 > a dec timestamp (up to but not including the period)     Not quite. it would have to be    L "21-Jun-2005 11:00:45.78" to be a valid time stamp that can be understood by routines such as SYS$BINTIM   N Also note that in your text above, you have a space between the 8 and the dot. Is that just a typo ?   J Since quadword is not native to unix, is there a reason why you absolutely, need "quadword" instead of using unix time ?  U If you have a recent/patched version of VMS, there should be Guy Peleg's F$DELTA_TIME    > http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4005862252d&dq=&hl=xx-elmer&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&selm=3F0D7BFC.383CB534%40hp.com   L You could then do F$DELTA_TIME( current, "01-JAN-1970:00:00:00.00") and thenM proceed to parse the output for number of days (multiply by 86400), number of J hours (multiply by 3600) minutes (*6) and seconds, add it together and you have unix time.   > > I have been unsuccessfully trying to locate documentation onD > "sys$bintim" - which some other posting lays claim might do what I > need.      HELP SYS $BINTIM  + It is also in the systems services manual.     #include descrip   $DESCRIPTOR(mytime_desc,"");) char *mytime = "05-Jul-2005 14:36:28.00";  unsigned int mytime_bin[2];   $ mytime_desc.dsc$a_pointer = mytime ;* mytime_desc.dsc$w_length = strlen(mytime);4 status = SYS$BINTIM( &mytime_desc, &mytime_bin[0] );  6 mytime_bin then has the binary value in it. (8 bytes).    K You'll also need to include starlet.h  to get the prototype for sys$bintim.   * Also, if in VAX, you need to manually add: #define SYS$BINTIM sys$bintim   F because on VAX, the engineers forgot to include the definition for theD uppercase version of the system services. (as well as lib$ routines)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:20:15 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Date to quadword in DCL????+ Message-ID: <42CB23BF.5E385C03@comcast.net>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > - > On 5 Jul 2005 at 10:45, derek pietro wrote: J > > Can someone point me to a doc that describes $bintim or something elseJ > > that would take a (properly) formatted date/time string and convert it > > to its quadword? > G > You're looking for the "HP OpenVMS System Services Reference Manual", E > which is hidden under "Systems Documentation" on the web site.  And 4 > the $BINTIM function is hidden under "SYS$BINTIM": > H > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/4527/4527pro_012.html#index_x_10 > 3  >  > (pardon the wrap)   ? Of course, calling OpenVMS System Services from DCL is rather a  challenge...  E Based on Derek's post, it seems he could use the technique cited in a H Google URL in another post, just needing to convert the result back to aA string, possibly with F$FAO() to ensure the proper target format.    Thinking "out loud"...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:07:42 +01006 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>J Subject: Re: Mozilla on VMS seems to only take shorter urls than on the PC6 Message-ID: <42cb04ae$0$13809$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  1 "Beach Runner" <bob@nospam.com> wrote in message  7 news:R9qye.217985$w15.166391@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... 6 > Is this just my issue?  It would simplify downloads.  - Do you mean Mozilla? Or CSWB? And AXP or I64?   L The latest CSWB (for Alpha) is based on a newer version of Mozilla (1.7-8), 8 than the latest pre-built Mozilla (1.7) for VMS (Alpha).  6 The latest CSWB for VMS (I64) is based on Mozilla 1.4.  K Also "shorter urls than on the PC" is a little ambiguous, what OS, browser  & and version are you running on the PC?  M I have not experienced any problems with CSWB (1.78, Alpha) and long URLs, I  J will not switch to CSWB on I64 until the 1.7-8 port is complete, so can't < comment on that, nor am I currently using Mozilla 1.7 (AXP).  8 Do you have an example URL for which the problem occurs?   Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:25:35 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>> Subject: Re: Network card problems? Or something like that....+ Message-ID: <42CB24FF.E92222B6@comcast.net>    Gremlin wrote: >  > Hi All > L > OK, decided to get my AlphaServer 400 running to do some testing, it has aJ > updated to latest (and last) SRM firmware.  It has a network card (DEC IK > think) with a 21140 chip that the SRM identifies as DECchip 21140 Network 8 > Controller, ewa0.0.0.11.0 with a MAC id that seems OK. > K > In the SRM, tyring to do set "ewa0_mode auto" fails, so I settle for "set A > ewa0_mode FD" which results in 100Mbit/FD TP - so far, so good.  > 0 > Do a clean install of VMS7.2-2 (latest I have)  E E-mail me privately if you need something newer - I'll see what I can  do.    > and load up the assortedH > Hobbyist licenses, configure TCPIP, check LANCP which sees the card asL > 100Mbit/FD, start TCPIP and enter the default route via "route add defaultF > x.x.x.x" - still OK.  So, I can ping 127.0.0.1 and y.y.y.y (it's ownN > address), but I cant ping the gateway or anything else nor can anything else
 > ping it. > M > So................ card problems?  Should I try to find a DE500 even though N > this seems to be recognised?  Doing any network activity sees lights on both? > the card and the switch flashing away, no collisions evident.   D First guess time: check that "UCX" is configured with dynamic routesH disabled, and enter the appropriate static routes manually. Then see how	 you fare.   G Other points in this thread mention Netgear unmanaged switch. Hold that G thought until you've nailed down the UCX config. If everyone has a link E light, and is seeing traffic, chances are the issues will be found in  the higher layers.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:54:49 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> > Subject: RE: Network card problems? Or something like that....R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB65108C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20 > Sent: July 5, 2005 8:26 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com @ > Subject: Re: Network card problems? Or something like that.... >=20   Dave,   C Not sure if saw my last post on this thread, but there are some LAN E driver patches to VMS V7.2-2 that specifically address auto-negotiate 	 problems.   
 Reference:G ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.2-2/VMS722_LAN-V0500.txt   H            o  The EIA (82558, 82559, 82559ER, DE600, DE602 PCI Ethernet)H               device driver is treating the console environment variableH               EIx0_MODE  setting  of  "twisted-pair"  as   "Full-Duplex,H               Twisted-pair",  so  it  should  select half-duplex 10 mbit4               mode, but selects full-duplex instead.  7 [other auto-negotiate fixes described in patch as well]   D Having stated that, I agree moving to a newer version than V7.2-2 is certainly a good idea.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:44:36 +1200 6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>" Subject: Re: ntp not synchronising8 Message-ID: <e4kmc1ldv1k83kr1hkrgid9pmm65p9vjru@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:24:24 -0600, "Michael D. Ober"% <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:   M >What are you trying to sync to?  VMS won't sync to Windows 2000 SNTP servers J >even though the message formats for SNTP and NTP are identical.  I had toK >put the following code into our nightly cleanup routines to explicitly set  >our VMS system via NTP.  E I'm told that it is ntp (not sntp) on a Windows system. I'm also told @ that (after a couple of hops) this system gets its time from theF internet. But it is becoming pretty obvious to me that this is not theD case. I have manually set the VMS clock from radio time signals and,B according to the Windows system, VMS is running 95 seconds slow. IE know this can't possibly be true, and have asked the operators of the F intermediate boxes to verify this synchronisation. Hopefully they will get it working properly.  F What I want to know now is, what tells the VMS ntp that a clock is notB synchronised? Which comand and output (on ntpq or ntpdc) will show0 this as the reason for the clock being rejected?   > " >$ @sys$startup:tcpip$ntp_shutdown
 >$ set verify * >$ NTPDATE:==$SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTPDATE.EXE) >$ ntpdate -d <local Windows 2000 Server>  >   C Thanks but (should have mentioned it earlier) ntpdate does not work : with this server, either - it says "No server suitable for+ synchronization found from those provided."        ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:18:07 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: simple image processing on VMS $ Message-ID: <daetef$vo7$1@online.de>  F I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on F VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as F output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different E size, gamma correction etc.  I also need the possibility to crop the  @ image.  That's all I really need, nothing fancy.  Best would be F something which is already installed on VMS by default as part of the B DECwindows apps or something.  Freeware and/or something from the > hobbyist CD would also be an option.  What do folks recommend?  A I really need just the bare minimum of features.  What I want is  1 something which is easy to use and easy to learn.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:46:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS , Message-ID: <42CAFFA6.31E2C49A@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > G > I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on G > VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as G > output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different  > size, gamma correction etc.      XV is one. (x windows app_  B imagemagik is a more sophisticated one. (more of a batch approach)   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:37:13 +0000 (UTC)3 From: Howard Siegel <not.interested@nospam.invalid> + Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS , Message-ID: <daf5j9$c36$1@reader2.panix.com>  $ jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com writes:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > I > > I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on I > > VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as I > > output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different  > > size, gamma correction etc.  >  >  > XV is one. (x windows app_ > D > imagemagik is a more sophisticated one. (more of a batch approach)  D You can also use The Gimp (GNU Image Manipulation Program) if it has been ported to VMS.    - h  --    ? hsiegel~at~pobox~dot~com  <*>  Netcom Class of '93, RIP Netcom!    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:57:45 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> + Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS D Message-ID: <Z7Fye.13381$jX6.10024@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on H > VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as H > output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different G > size, gamma correction etc.  I also need the possibility to crop the  B > image.  That's all I really need, nothing fancy.  Best would be H > something which is already installed on VMS by default as part of the D > DECwindows apps or something.  Freeware and/or something from the @ > hobbyist CD would also be an option.  What do folks recommend? > C > I really need just the bare minimum of features.  What I want is  3 > something which is easy to use and easy to learn.  >  GIYF: a http://www.google.com/search?q=jpeg+editor+vms&sourceid=mozilla&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8    Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:05:47 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS + Message-ID: <daf796$3b3$1@news01.intel.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on H > VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as H > output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different G > size, gamma correction etc.  I also need the possibility to crop the  B > image.  That's all I really need, nothing fancy.  Best would be H > something which is already installed on VMS by default as part of the D > DECwindows apps or something.  Freeware and/or something from the @ > hobbyist CD would also be an option.  What do folks recommend? > C > I really need just the bare minimum of features.  What I want is  3 > something which is easy to use and easy to learn.   > I've always been happy with XV.  The VMS FAQ (an old copy fromC June 2003, see the current one on the web for more up to date info)  lists these sources:  G        o  XV is a image viewing and editing tool and is available from:   /               o  ftp://ftp.cis.upenn.edu/pub/xv   (               o  http://www.sanface.com/  :               o  ftp://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/xv/  =        o  Many software packages are available for displaying 9           various bitmap files (.JPG, .GIF, .BMP, etc) on ;           OpenVMS. Xloadimage, Xli, Xv, ImageMagick are the ;           most common tools used under OpenVMS. Various web 8           browsers such as Mozilla (qv) can also display<           various file formats on OpenVMS. You can find some3           of these tools at the DECwindows Archive:   B               o  http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/decw/index.html  C               o  http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/decw/images.html      	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:33:54 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> + Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS * Message-ID: <SFFye.8968$394.8936@fe07.lga>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on H > VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as H > output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different G > size, gamma correction etc.  I also need the possibility to crop the  B > image.  That's all I really need, nothing fancy.  Best would be H > something which is already installed on VMS by default as part of the D > DECwindows apps or something.  Freeware and/or something from the @ > hobbyist CD would also be an option.  What do folks recommend? > C > I really need just the bare minimum of features.  What I want is  3 > something which is easy to use and easy to learn.    http://www.imagemagick.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:16:25 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available + Message-ID: <42CB22D9.8716F0C1@comcast.net>    Didier Morandi wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > V > > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vmsgateway.net%2Fmig_corner.htm > > P > > Didier, you may wish to click on the above. It will tell you about errors onQ > > your page. Once you add the proper DTD tag to tell it it is a fame definition Q > > document, it will then parse your frameset and tell you you're missing ending  > > tags for <frame> > > M > > Also, you have a frameset at mig_corner.htm which contains only one frame 0 > > which tries to load itself inside the frame. > Q > Jean-Franois, if I tell you (and only you, all others please do not read) that N > my WEB "sites" are built with MicroShit FrontPage, will you send that URL to > Guillaume Portails?  > :-)   @ Better still: Send (the appropriate characters) to the Bastille!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 06:30:02 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> - Subject: Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available 4 Message-ID: <42cb5e4a$0$20517$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Didier Morandi wrote:   1 > there: http://www.vmsgateway.net/mig_corner.htm   O Hmmm... er... there was a slight error in the FAQ. The expected rates are on a  C *per day* basis, not *per month* as erroneously written in the FAQ.    Thanks to Bob G.+ (were you the only one to read it, Bob? :-)   E The responsible for that "slight error" will be sent to the Bastille.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 06:27:46 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> - Subject: Re: The VMS Gateway FAQ is available 4 Message-ID: <42cb5dc2$0$20517$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > B > Better still: Send (the appropriate characters) to the Bastille!   You are 8 days early, David :-)    D.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:12:30 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download$ Message-ID: <daepje$qfk$1@online.de>  = In article <s5qkc1dgfpj57hdj191eclgqqvq7503pe3@4ax.com>, Alex  <aaa@bbb.ccc> writes:   E > On 28 Jun 2005 01:22:42 +0200, Thomas Jahns <Thomas.Jahns@epost.de>  > wrote: > ! > >here in Germany people are not I > >allowed to freely negotiate anything in a contract. There's no way for J > >anyone here to give up their fundamental rights like free speech, equalK > >vote and a few more. Also contracts which grossly disadvantage one party   > >are not legally binding here. > @ > Is this (and the philosophy behind it: socialism / communism /@ > fascism) not the main cause of the unemployment at over 10% ??  H No.  These principles have been in force for a long time in Germany and I many other European countries.  In most European countries, unemployment  E is much lower than in Germany.  Also, it was lower in Germany in the  < past, when there was even less contractual freedom than now.  G Note that Germany is still the world's #1 export nation---not just per  I capita, but in absolute terms, even though, with a population of just 80  B million (and substantially less actually employed) there are many D countries with a much larger population and work force (China, USA, H India etc).  Thus, it is obviously a myth to say that high labour costs I etc are a problem---quality (even though it is not quite as high as what  H it was in the past, except maybe for Porsche and for niche markets like 7 musical equipment) obviously more than makes up for it.   B The main problem in Germany, economically, is the lack of domesticA demand.  This is due to mainly three factors.  One is the cost of @ unification.  There is a joke in Austria (which has a structure,D history, tradition, culture etc rather similar to Germany (how many E people know Hitler was Austrian and Beethoven German?)) which states  I that the reason the economy in Austria is better is that it didn't unify  H with Slovakia.  The second is the fact that a disproportionate fraction D of the costs for the state are paid by employed people, rather than @ being more fairly distributed among all types of incomes.  Many A countries have higher taxation rates than Germany, but labour is  F cheaper, since the tax burden is distributed differently.  Third is a @ too-strong federalism, which results in inefficiency.  This was G basically forced on Germany after the war.  There is a saying that the  E most efficient government is that of a dictator.  Coutries with even  B higher tax rates but with lower unemployment also tend to be more E centrally administered, but this was seen as undesirable in post-war   Germany.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 16:02:10 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download3 Message-ID: <Q5gVWvKBtE+q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1120584477.319434.141370@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:H > One source is not a good choice. What happens if Montagar goes under??  B Montagar is not a "source".  It is the sole authorized distributor. for hobbyist kits designated by DEC/Compaq/HP.  7 DEC/Compaq/HP could choose a replacement quite quickly.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 JUL 2005 15:50:35 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download5 Message-ID: <5JUL05.15503592@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   h In a previous article, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:  I ->Note that Germany is still the world's #1 export nation---not just per  K ->capita, but in absolute terms, even though, with a population of just 80M   @ I had heard this recently and was shocked that it's about doubleG China's. Add France into the picture and the two countries combined are  TRIPLE China's exports.    --6 -- Carl Karcher, karcher.nomoresp+m@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:08:13 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>0 Subject: Re: VAX software available for download+ Message-ID: <42CB20ED.46BEBBBE@comcast.net>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > 0 > Since I started this I will put in my 2 cents.B > As I understand it HP has stated that a hobbyiest may obtain theD > software by any means possible,  buying it, borrowing it or have aH > total stranger make copies with no control or questions. The way I seeF > it those words obtain the software opens a ftp site. No where in the@ > by-laws does it state that one must obtain the software from aG > authorize site or person. I offered the software only and I hope that I > most of the hundred or so people where hobbyiest. I didnot make a penny D > off the service, nor did I ask for any money. If HP was so concernH > about losing money then they need to clarify or put in laws just whereH > can a hobbyiest obtain the software. At no time did I offer anyway forI > a person to run the software (ie the PAKS). I am not a lawyer,  but the F > way I see it someone would be hard-press to say I am doing somethingG > illegal when I can give copies away with no control. No where does it I > state that the copies cannot be electronic in nature for the hobbyiest. G > Since there is no way to check to make sure the person is a hobbyiest E > then the site must be open. I know I did not make it clear that the I > software was for non-commerical use only.   I will say this that sooner H > or later somebody else is going to offer the software via ftp so maybe( > HP needs to step in and clear this up. > just my 2cents  F So long as HP sells the SPL subscription, they stand to potentially beG harmed. Legalities aside, the risk of being sought out by them is alone  enough for most be given pause.   E That said, the CDs clearly state right on them verbiage to the effect H that possession without a valid license may be a violation of some kind.  E It's not that your efforts were not appreciated, and I hope somewhere > someone was able to acquire what they could not otherwise get.  C As I mentioned in another post, we lost our first champion and only C recently acquired Sue as his official replacement. We dare not risk > offending HP, lest the work of so many be rendered for nought.  	 My $0.04.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:03:45 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> K Subject: Re: WORKING_SET.COM gives all COM states when run at high priority A Message-ID: <5tDye.1461$BK1.201@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>   
 AEF wrote: >  > Jeff Chimene wrote:  >  >>AEF wrote: >> >>>Jeff Chimene wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>>AEF wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> p >>>>>>In article <1120138193.202168.136920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >>>>>> >  > [...]  > F >>>As a practical matter I will soon have to double the number of dataH >>>feed jobs I'm running and on some systems this will make memory tightI >>>so I am studying the issue. I think it is likely I will have to adjust : >>>WSDEFAULT, WSQUOTA, and WSEXTENT. And run AUTOGEN, too. >>> C >>>In this particular case I am trying to observe AWSA in detail to 4 >>>confirm that I understand the performance manual. >>> 1 >>>So it is part practicality and part curiosity.  >>>  >> >>Hi,  >>D >>Now that we've successfully extracted from you the reason for thisE >>thread, there will be a statistically significant portion of c.o.v. J >>willing to offer tuning advice. So, I'd post again with this description >>and see what answers you get.  >  > A > There's too much to post. For now I'll just stick with specific  > questions from time to time.   OK.   F >>Nevertheless, I feel compelled to ask: is this trading system I/O orJ >>compute bound? It sounds like you've decided it's compute bound. In that >  > I > Network-I/O bound. The trading system startup get things very busy both I > CPU- and I/O-wise but that is done before the trading session begins so 4 > shaving a few minutes there doesn't really matter.  L Agreed. Unless your users are twiddling their thumbs waiting for a reboot...  E >>case, I'm predicting you'll settle on dividing physical memory into < >>blocks and setting WSDEF by task to allocate those blocks. >  > C > I'm doing experiments to determine the elapsed time/CPU time/page I > faults vs. working set size by running the three relevant programs with D > various fixed working set sizes and looking up the stats with SHOWG > SYSTEM, SHOW PROC/CONT, ACCOUNTING, etc. It seems to me that you want E > *some* difference in page fault rate between running at wsquota vs. = > wsextent. Otherwise, what's the point of borrowing memory?    G Depending on some applications, I'm one of those who believe that while F VMS and VAX/Alpha were designed to page, it's not always a Good Thing.   > And if theD > curve is really flat for large working sets I'd think that settingG > WSEXTENT to a value which is somewhat lower than WSMAX (for processes H > running that program) would be a good idea. I get different curves forB > different programs. I was going to set WSDEF to half of WSQUOTA.  B I'm wondering how accurate your performance tests are. I don't seeE MONITOR in your tool set listed above. Also, I've been out of the VMS G loop too long to know what HP would recommend for performance tuning. I E also recall a very nice simulation tool that implemented a BASIC-like  scripting language.   G > But then there's the proactive memory reclamation and that definitely D > makes things interesting! So far that has worked quite well on theB > systems I have that are already tight on memory. I may have some > questions about that soon.  H Tight memory systems seem so counterproductive in a trading environment.H Is there no way to add memory to these systems? If not, how about a diskG dedicated to nothing but paging? If these systems are swapping, you are  already behind the eight ball.  D >>You mention "doubling the number of data feed jobs ... make memory: >>tight" Are you using the mapped section system services? >  > H > I don't know. I didn't write any of the compiled programs. I know thatB > one of the programs locks a good portion of memory into physicalG > memory. I know that shared memory is used. There are three such files H > that have to be installed shareable and writable. I don't know if that > answers your question.  C Yes, it does. It sounds like those folks knew what they wanted in a H virtual memory environment. What tuning suggestions can they provide for VMS?   Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2005 19:07:03 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>K Subject: Re: WORKING_SET.COM gives all COM states when run at high priority C Message-ID: <1120615622.950842.151490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Jeff Chimene wrote:  > AEF wrote: > >  > > Jeff Chimene wrote:  > >  > >>AEF wrote: > >> > >>>Jeff Chimene wrote: > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>AEF wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:  > >>>>>  > >>>>>  > >>>>> r > >>>>>>In article <1120138193.202168.136920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > >>>>>> [...]  > H > >>Nevertheless, I feel compelled to ask: is this trading system I/O orL > >>compute bound? It sounds like you've decided it's compute bound. In that > >  > > K > > Network-I/O bound. The trading system startup get things very busy both K > > CPU- and I/O-wise but that is done before the trading session begins so 6 > > shaving a few minutes there doesn't really matter. > N > Agreed. Unless your users are twiddling their thumbs waiting for a reboot...  ' Users aren't even in their offices yet.   G > >>case, I'm predicting you'll settle on dividing physical memory into > > >>blocks and setting WSDEF by task to allocate those blocks. > > E > > I'm doing experiments to determine the elapsed time/CPU time/page K > > faults vs. working set size by running the three relevant programs with F > > various fixed working set sizes and looking up the stats with SHOWI > > SYSTEM, SHOW PROC/CONT, ACCOUNTING, etc. It seems to me that you want G > > *some* difference in page fault rate between running at wsquota vs. > > > wsextent. Otherwise, what's the point of borrowing memory? > I > Depending on some applications, I'm one of those who believe that while H > VMS and VAX/Alpha were designed to page, it's not always a Good Thing.  G I'm not sure what you're saying here. If the free list is large enough, G the process will grow to the point where it either reaches its WSEXTENT F or to where the page fault rate drops below PFRATH. Now if the elapsedD time for, say, compiling a PASCAL program is equal to 24 seconds forE working set sizes ranging from 2048 to 6064, then what's the point of F the last 4000 or so pages when the performance is the same? Those 4000G pages could be used by other processes. So if all PASCAL codes act that ? way, couldn't one then argue for WSEXTENT of 2048 at least on a = memory-limited system? Then I figure that WSQUOTA should give C measurably worse results than WSEXTENT because otherwise what's the D point of using more memory if it doesn't improve the performace? The? manual itself says to set WSQUOTA so that one gets "reasonable" B performance. And I like to make WSDEFAULT half of WSQUOTA or less.   > > And if theF > > curve is really flat for large working sets I'd think that settingI > > WSEXTENT to a value which is somewhat lower than WSMAX (for processes J > > running that program) would be a good idea. I get different curves forD > > different programs. I was going to set WSDEF to half of WSQUOTA. > D > I'm wondering how accurate your performance tests are. I don't seeG > MONITOR in your tool set listed above. Also, I've been out of the VMS I > loop too long to know what HP would recommend for performance tuning. I G > also recall a very nice simulation tool that implemented a BASIC-like  > scripting language.   $ I also use MONITOR when appropriate.  I > > But then there's the proactive memory reclamation and that definitely F > > makes things interesting! So far that has worked quite well on theD > > systems I have that are already tight on memory. I may have some > > questions about that soon. > J > Tight memory systems seem so counterproductive in a trading environment.J > Is there no way to add memory to these systems? If not, how about a diskI > dedicated to nothing but paging? If these systems are swapping, you are   > already behind the eight ball.  C Looking at the display of MONITOR SYSTEM during trading hours shows B very little activity. It's quite dull. A few dozen executions is aG medium day for one desk and a good day on the other. And maybe a couple G hundred prices posted. Each of these events takes a miniscule amount of D CPU, PF's, I/O, etc. so is it even worth it for me to improve the WSD settings I inherited? A few of our systems our tight on memory (freeC list near 2*freegoal and a small number of pages in the virutal I/O F cache) and VMS appears to be trimming as necessary. Sometimes there is* one swapped process slot (usually REMACP).  F > >>You mention "doubling the number of data feed jobs ... make memory< > >>tight" Are you using the mapped section system services? > >  > > J > > I don't know. I didn't write any of the compiled programs. I know thatD > > one of the programs locks a good portion of memory into physicalI > > memory. I know that shared memory is used. There are three such files J > > that have to be installed shareable and writable. I don't know if that > > answers your question. > E > Yes, it does. It sounds like those folks knew what they wanted in a J > virtual memory environment. What tuning suggestions can they provide for > VMS?  > "They" are gone. This is a(n) -- AUGH -- legacy app. We have aC developer who knows PASCAL if any bugs need to be fixed or features E added, but he is very busy doing lots of other stuff and there are no  pressing bugs for him to fix.   D There's a long history of various things here that I'd rather not go> into here. If you have further questions, please send email to  ( spamsink2001      Mary had a little lamb  . atski           It's fleece was white as snow.  ( yahoo      and everywhere that Mary went   dotski    com     the lamb was sure to go.  A or just got to Google groups and use the Google "reply to author"  button.   - I appreciate your help and interest; thanks.    	 > Cheers,  > jec    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.1.7 $ Message-ID: <daeous$o9i$3@online.de>  G In article <42ca43de$1@news1.ethz.ch>, S <soterroatyahoodotcom> writes:   1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: M > > I agree with your goal, but not with the means.  Most people with an x86  M > > run Windows.  They could run Linux, but they don't.  Availability of the  L > > hardware is not why most people run an OS other than VMS, it is lack of E > > awareness of VMS.  If someone really wants to run VMS on an x86,  , > > wouldn't an emulator be a better option? > G > You may be missing the point here. FreeVMS is not for the home user,  I > that emailer and chatter and net surfer. That one doesn't bother about  I > Linux either, as you noticed. But a person using Linux knows already a  J > bit about computing, a geek knows even more, and VMS needs some kind of B > technical knowledgeable people to live on. How many _young_ VMS K > technicians do you know? Please take no offense, but a person in his 50s  & > is not exactly the young generation.  , Why should I be offended?  I'm only 40!  :-)      ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.373 ************************