1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 388       Contents:, Re: Can DCPS and Multinet Printing Co-Exist? device driver book Re: device driver book Re: device driver book Re: device driver book Re: device driver book Re: device driver bookP Re: Facility Prefix Registration (was: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs  Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) RE: MONO (.net for UNIX) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX)% Re: MSCP Server on Multi-Site Cluster ( Re: Response issues on GS1280, VMS 7.3-2" Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& RE: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename SSH2 problem after power outage # Re: SSH2 problem after power outage # Re: SSH2 problem after power outage * Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMDB [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coopF Re: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coopF Re: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:21:58 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <nospam@vsm.com.au> 5 Subject: Re: Can DCPS and Multinet Printing Co-Exist? ) Message-ID: <42D4ABFE.5040104@vsm.com.au>    Hello Chris,  L > I have 7.3.2 Alpha with Multinet, I have installed DCPS and I can only see > the Multinet print queues. > J > I need to be able to run multinet printing and DCPS printing at the same > time.  Is this possible?  K Sure!  I have a couple like that here.  (I assume you mean that you want a  I queue running a MultiNet symbiont (LPD, stream, or NTYSMB) to be able to  / send jobs to the same printer as a DCPS queue.)   J After installing DCPS, did you edit SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$STARTUP.TEMPLATE and K save it as DCPS$STARTUP.COM?  Did you then run DCPS$STARTUP.COM?  The DCPS  ' queues are defined by DCPS$STARTUP.COM.    Regards,   	Jeremy Begg 	jeremy-at-vsm-dot-com-au    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:35:39 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: device driver book V Message-ID: <OF2963A564.79111284-ON0725703D.00553C50-0725703D.0055A96C@mck.us.ray.com>   Once upon a timeL                                                                             L                                                                             L  Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C, Developer's Guide and          L  Reference Manual (Paperback)                                               L                                                                             L                                                                                   3 was available but apparently it's out of print now.   J Does it still apply to current versions of VMS?  I found it on Amazon (not4 cheap and short supply) and wonder about it's value.   dave.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 12:07:37 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)  Subject: Re: device driver book - Message-ID: <ZBbWvix0ucI1@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   . David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes: > Once upon a timeN >                                                                             N >  Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C, Developer's Guide and          N >  Reference Manual (Paperback)                                               N >                                                                             5 > was available but apparently it's out of print now.  > L > Does it still apply to current versions of VMS?  I found it on Amazon (not6 > cheap and short supply) and wonder about it's value.  I Was that book ever available for sale?  It was distributed as part of the ) documentation set for OpenVMS Alpha V7.0.   L If you are unfamiliar with driver-writing in general, it is a great startingM point.  As the book attempts to explain some otherwise-undocumented routines, K it is likely that a few things have changed in the near-decade since it was  written.   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:00:30 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: device driver book / Message-ID: <42D5106E.28216.37D3FEC5@localhost>   * On 13 Jul 2005 at 12:07, Rob Brooks wrote:G > Was that book ever available for sale?  It was distributed as part of / > the documentation set for OpenVMS Alpha V7.0.   D It was printed by Digital Press.  Got mine off eBay a few years ago 5 for $20, so it must have been on sale at some time...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:56:55 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: device driver book 1 Message-ID: <rJbBe.8432$im1.259@news.cpqcorp.net>   - Yes. the book was sold through Digital Press.   B It is old now, and wasn't really as complete as it could have been even when it was new.   < My wife and I have signed on to do an updated version of the< book.  Given that the deal involves me getting no money, and1 using no HP time - it may take a little while ;-)     < "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message' news:ZBbWvix0ucI1@cuebid.zko.dec.com... 0 > David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes: > > Once upon a time > > F > >  Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C, Developer's Guide and! > >  Reference Manual (Paperback)  > > 7 > > was available but apparently it's out of print now.  > > I > > Does it still apply to current versions of VMS?  I found it on Amazon  (not8 > > cheap and short supply) and wonder about it's value. > K > Was that book ever available for sale?  It was distributed as part of the + > documentation set for OpenVMS Alpha V7.0.  > E > If you are unfamiliar with driver-writing in general, it is a great  startingE > point.  As the book attempts to explain some otherwise-undocumented 	 routines, I > it is likely that a few things have changed in the near-decade since it  was 
 > written. >  > --   > 1 > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group  brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 12:29:31 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: device driver book 3 Message-ID: <BS+wWSyrItNY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <42D5106E.28216.37D3FEC5@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:, > On 13 Jul 2005 at 12:07, Rob Brooks wrote:H >> Was that book ever available for sale?  It was distributed as part of0 >> the documentation set for OpenVMS Alpha V7.0. > F > It was printed by Digital Press.  Got mine off eBay a few years ago 7 > for $20, so it must have been on sale at some time...  >   K Yes, it was on general sale. I picked up my copy in a normal York bookshop.    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 12:35:26 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: device driver book 3 Message-ID: <iY09q66+7DQE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <rJbBe.8432$im1.259@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:/ > Yes. the book was sold through Digital Press.  > D > It is old now, and wasn't really as complete as it could have been > even when it was new.  >   F I developed a driver for V7.2 from this book. There is a manual in theE VMS documentation set that covers the V7.x 64 bit extensions that you ' also need to read as well as this book.   I Since it's been a good couple of years since I did any VMS kernel work, I J can't remember if I needed any other V7.x resources as well, but if I did, then they were public sources.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 10:47:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Y Subject: Re: Facility Prefix Registration (was: Re: A tale of two macro libraries LIB vs  3 Message-ID: <+0mymKkK8gtN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <ClVAe.8377$sH.7952@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:   7 >   Token Name   Registration Class    Operating System 2 >     333        Facility_Name         OpenVMS VAX2 >     333        Facility_Name         OpenVMS AXP2 >     T3$        Logical_Name          OpenVMS AXP2 >     T3$        Logical_Name          OpenVMS VAX > I >   Key to the particular conflagration here is the "registration class". I >   That controls where the token goes in the various registration lists.   B What about those of us who registered in 1987 or so, when the formB had no notion of a "Registration Class".  I have been presuming myF Facility name was good for logical names, facility-specific identifierF names, Linker symbols, link library object names, etc.  How many otherD Registration Classes are there beyond the two examples shown above ?  B And is the Product Registrar trying to thwart the prospect of ISVs> porting to Itanium by possibly giving away their VAX and Alpha Facility Name to someone else ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:52:44 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) ? Message-ID: <db2a7c$qjf$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>   J Now if MTS/DTC (or better DECdtm) was part of the effort then that *would* be cool!   Regards Richard Maher   ' <danco@ns2.pebble.org> wrote in message + news:slrndd8c32.fvj.danco@ns2.pebble.org... H > In article <KR3+PRzr2xta@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler wrote:J > > In article <slrndcuuva.e6n.danco@ns2.pebble.org>, danco@ns2.pebble.org writes: L > >> Is anyone out there working on porting mono (.net for UNIX) to OpenVMS? > > L > >    I think there's already a commercial .net connection for VMS.  You're! > >    looking for somthing free?  > : > Bob, I'm not certain what you mean by ".net connection". > Perhaps you could clarify? > F > Mono is an open source project that provides a Windows .net languageE > environment on UNIX platforms so that Windows .net applications can  > be run on UNIX platforms.  > H > I work for a very Microsoft centric company that (for good or bad) hasI > totally embraced both Microsoft and .net.  It is likely that all future H > software development of any significance (and with any future) in this" > company will be done using .net. > J > It would be very cool (for everyone) if we could also run those new .netG > applications not just on Windows, but also on UNIX and OpenVMS.  This I > would breath continued life into both UNIX and OpenVMS platforms.  When J > it comes to UNIX platforms, the opensource mono project looks promissingG > for making that possible.  I was wondering if anyone or any group was H > already  working on porting the opensource mono project to the OpenVMS > platform.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 08:12:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) 3 Message-ID: <lSF4lV3RWu4u@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <slrndd8c32.fvj.danco@ns2.pebble.org>, danco@ns2.pebble.org writes:H > In article <KR3+PRzr2xta@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler wrote:Q >> In article <slrndcuuva.e6n.danco@ns2.pebble.org>, danco@ns2.pebble.org writes: K >>> Is anyone out there working on porting mono (.net for UNIX) to OpenVMS?  >>  K >>    I think there's already a commercial .net connection for VMS.  You're   >>    looking for somthing free? > : > Bob, I'm not certain what you mean by ".net connection". > Perhaps you could clarify?  D    I've basically told you all I know.  We don't do .net in my shop.
    See HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:10:41 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ! Subject: RE: MONO (.net for UNIX) R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB65126B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: danco@ns2.pebble.org [mailto:danco@ns2.pebble.org]=20  > Sent: July 12, 2005 6:11 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX)  >=20H > In article <KR3+PRzr2xta@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler wrote:8 > > In article <slrndcuuva.e6n.danco@ns2.pebble.org>,=20 > danco@ns2.pebble.org writes:= > >> Is anyone out there working on porting mono (.net for=20  > UNIX) to OpenVMS?  > >=20B > >    I think there's already a commercial .net connection for=20 > VMS.  You're! > >    looking for somthing free?  >=20: > Bob, I'm not certain what you mean by ".net connection". > Perhaps you could clarify? >=20F > Mono is an open source project that provides a Windows .net languageE > environment on UNIX platforms so that Windows .net applications can  > be run on UNIX platforms.  >=20H > I work for a very Microsoft centric company that (for good or bad) hasA > totally embraced both Microsoft and .net.  It is likely that=20  > all futureH > software development of any significance (and with any future) in this& > company will be done using .net. =20 >=20> > It would be very cool (for everyone) if we could also run=20 > those new .netG > applications not just on Windows, but also on UNIX and OpenVMS.  This ; > would breath continued life into both UNIX and OpenVMS=20  > platforms.  WhenB > it comes to UNIX platforms, the opensource mono project looks=20 > promissingG > for making that possible.  I was wondering if anyone or any group was H > already  working on porting the opensource mono project to the OpenVMS > platform.  >=20  @ Just curious, but what kind of success has MONO had running .NetF applications on UNIX? How easy is to actually develop in .Net and then? move application to UNIX for production? What about performance 	 concerns?   G As an example, there are a number of Mission Critical HP Customers that E do J2EE Java applic development on Windows/Linux desktops, but deploy H the runtimes on OpenVMS (and higher end UNIX's btw) for Prod as they can= not afford the time and resources associated with the monthly G Windows/Linux OS security patches that would significantly impact their C QA/ Test cycles [mission critical shops have to QA/Test any patches # before rolling into production].=20   A To move Java apps to production, it is really as simple as a copy - operation where the QA/Test cycles can begin.   B Does Mono provide this capability i.e. develop in traditional .NetF environment and then allow the run times to be copied / run in QA/Prod UNIX environments?   Thx in advance,   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:25:23 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) 9 Message-ID: <lu9Be.11866$ag7.4756@bignews4.bellsouth.net>    Main, Kerry wrote:  D > Does Mono provide this capability i.e. develop in traditional .NetH > environment and then allow the run times to be copied / run in QA/Prod > UNIX environments?  # In a nutshell, the answer is "yes".   G Microsoft's .NET application platform is nothing more than a series of  G language compilers all generating code for a common back-end - the CLR  L [Common Language Run-time].  The CLR is Microsoft's answer to Sun's JVM for M Java.  As with Java, you develop once and then deploy the byte-code compiler  M output to other systems on which a virtual machine of some sort will process  I the byte-code and execute the instructions it contains.  MONO is nothing  I more than a port of the .NET CLR over to Unix/Linux platforms.  Once you  M have a working CLR that provides all of the underpinnings necessary for .NET  E apps to be executed, you can then deploy those .NET apps over to any  $ platform on which the CLR functions.  G This doesn't address issues of performance & funtionality, nor is it a  G comparison or discussion of the relative merits of J2EE vs. .NET, it's  L simply a statement of how the bugger works.  It's just Microsoft's clone of L Java & the JVM created out of an unwillingness to license Java from Sun and I Microsoft's inability to not be in the driver's seat in terms of how the  % development of Java itself continues.      --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:22:26 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> . Subject: Re: MSCP Server on Multi-Site Cluster2 Message-ID: <SkaBe.8426$_d1.3994@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: P > Out of curiosity, with a single physical node in a site (connected to the restO > of the clusters elsewhere), what sort of conditions would result in that node L > having drives on that site with allocation class different from the SYSGEN
 > paremeter ?   F CI is involved here. HSJ controllers each have an allocation class of E their own, which could be set to something different than the host's   allocation class.   E HSZ controllers also have the ability to set an allocation class for  
 their drives.   H Drives on SCSI busses can have a Port Allocation Class which can differ  from that of the host.  C Fibre Channel disks always have an allocation class of $1$. If the  ? host's Allocation Class were not 1, those could be a different   allocation class.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:14:32 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 1 Subject: Re: Response issues on GS1280, VMS 7.3-2 2 Message-ID: <sdaBe.8425$kf1.3620@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 Lee wrote:; > Five-node Gigabit Ethernet VMScluster across three sites.   @ Do you have LAVC$FAILURE_ANALYSIS in place? This would help you A determine if transient network problems as a contributing factor.   I For a baseline measurement in multi-site clusters, I usually like to run  E LOCKTIME.COM from [KP_CLUSTERTOOLS] on the V6 Freeware CD to get the  9 inter-site link latencies. Do you have results from that?   # > Third party SAN disk environment.   - Do you see a lot of disk mount verifications?   C >     Early this year, the cluster was at VMS 7.3-2 running on four @ >     individual ES45s.  Since migrating from the ES45 nodes toD >     four nodes on two GS1280s in May-2005, interactive users haveC >     been experiencing intermittent several-second periods of slow E > response.  The situation is occurring on all four production nodes. : > Symptoms are more pronounced and wide-spread during peak? > periods (mid-morning, noon).  I myself notice occasional lags 5 > of several seconds after entering a command in DCL.   B Is this just any arbitrary DCL command, or something dealing with E specific file(s) or disk(s)? If it's any arbitrary DCL command, then  F maybe a CPU shortage is involved, including things like saturation of H the primary CPU in interrupt state ($MONITOR MODES/ALL could help check 
 for that).  C The key in this sort of situation is to find out what a process is  G waiting on while it's hung. Looking at process states is a good start:  A CPU-bound processes tend to show up in CUR or COM state; various  G resource-wait states can also be informative. I also find it useful to  H look for lock queues, as locks tend to be held across I/O operations so G any slow I/O devices tend to build up lock queues. (Lock queues can be  H detected using Availability Manager / DECamds and their Lock Contention A data gathering facility, or LCKQUE from [KP_LOCKTOOLS] on the V6  I Freeware CD.) I saw a post from someone here not long ago who had an SDA  F extension which could determine what a process was waiting on -- that  would be handy.   H Do all 4 production nodes run the same application mix? Have you looked = into the possibility of remastering of large lock trees as a  E contributing factor for the hangs? $MONITOR RLOCK lets you view lock   tree remastering rates.   @ > OBSV #2  No resource hogs have been found on any of the nodes.   OK.   G > OBSV #3  Sequential snapshots of the nodes show many processes in/out @ >     of MUTEX.  The processes in MUTEX range widely, from OPCOM? >     to production users.  These processes slide in and out of A >     MUTEX so quickly that there is inadequate time to determine % >     the reason for the MUTEX state.   4 The SDA extension MTX can be used for mutex tracing.  K > 23D7E642 _TNA4059:       SUSP     0     3636   0 00:03:51.03      4264      1 Any idea what suspended this interactive process?   I > OpenVMS V7.3-2  on node D  12-JUL-2005 14:29:25.56  Uptime  38 21:10:50 I >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts   >  PagesI > 23F8CA29 _TNA866:        RWSCS    4     8664   0 00:00:07.98      4622    ; RWSCS often indicates a process waiting for a lock request.   G > OBSV #4  HP has identified one main problem as being in logical name   > translation.> >     Heres the status from the four nodes (from MONITOR IO).I >                                    CUR        AVE        MIN        MAX I > Log Name Translation Rate       198.66     906.97       0.00    9845.33 I > Log Name Translation Rate      3902.00    3896.64       0.00   15286.00 I > Log Name Translation Rate      2077.00    1341.27       0.00   13067.33 I > Log Name Translation Rate      1690.66     621.39       0.00    3901.33   G The SDA extension LNM can be used for logical name translation tracing.   D > On the ES45s, I could execute a procedure containing 1000 logical@ > name translations in a split second.  On the GS1280 nodes, the5 > same procedure requires from several to 10 seconds.   G ES45s can have at most 4 CPUs and their path to memory is quite short,  F so the memory subsystem is quite fast. GS1280s can scale to many more A CPUs and while the EV7 on-chip memory interface makes its memory  F subsystem amazingly fast for that size/scale of system, some types of 5 memory operations are going to be faster on the ES45.   G > OBSV #5  I ran Autogen with feedback and a couple of items stood out.  ... $ > MSCP_BUFFER parameter information: >         Feedback information. 2 >            Old value was 1300, New value is 13007 >            MSCP server I/O rate: 367 I/Os per 10 sec. 4 >            I/Os that waited for buffer space: 1564? >            I/Os that fragmented into multiple transfers: 3276   D You have plenty of memory, and it appears you may be using VMS MSCP H Serving to access disks at each of the two main sites from the opposite E site, so it certainly wouldn't hurt to add a MIN_MSCP_BUFFER line in  G MODPARAMS.DAT to raise MSCP_BUFFER and eliminate the need for requests  B to wait for buffer space or be fragmented into multiple transfers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:21:35 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>+ Subject: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <000001c5877b$806afeb0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  @ I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSF 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeE all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete < files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in3 filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?   ! TIA and best regards R. Wingert      ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:46:08 +0200 & From: "Walter Kuhn" <w.kuhn@ksg.co.at>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename G Message-ID: <42d52933$0$27838$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>    $ CRE .  <ctrl>z  $  $ dir .    Directory $3$DKB100:[KUHN]   .;1    0/0    13-JUL-2005    Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks.   Is it that what you mean?  Reagards Walter  : "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag - news:000001c5877b$806afeb0$994614ac@wat153...  > Hello, > B > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSH > 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeG > all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete > > files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in5 > filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?  > ! > TIA and best regards R. Wingert  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename + Message-ID: <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>    Rudolf Wingert wrote: B > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSH > 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeG > all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete > > files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in5 > filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?   E I do not think you can use DIR to list files with no name but with an F extension. You can write a small .COM to loop through write sys$output% "''f$sear(".*;*")'" to get the files.   D What strange behaviour do you see with DEL HUGO.*;* I think it looks fine;     + $ create .x ! No filename, but an extension   Exit - $ create x. ! no extension but has a filename   Exit G $ dir .* ! Should only show .X (IMHO, but someone will tell me that MHO  is wrong), but shows both files    Directory [dir]   5 .X;1                       0  13-JUL-2005 10:58:21.65 5 X.;1                       0  13-JUL-2005 10:58:24.31    Total of 2 files, 0 blocks. A $ write sys$output "''f$sear(".*;*")'"  ! finds the file you were  looking for 	 [dir].X;1 5 $ del x.*;  ! What strange behaviour do you see here?  DELETE [dir]X.;1 ? [N]: y  $    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:18:32 -0500 8 From: "Grealy, Patrick J" <Patrick.J.Grealy@uth.tmc.edu>/ Subject: RE: Show all files with empty filename O Message-ID: <6250203B042D8349A920AA610383093605AACF@UTHEVS3.mail.uthouston.edu>   	 Try this:  dir/exclude=3D(%*.,*.%*)  < I'm confused about what your second question means. - Pat G.   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Rudolf Wingert [mailto:win@fom.fgan.de] ( > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:22 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > Subject: Show all files with empty filename  >=20 > Hello, >=20B > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSH > 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeG > all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete > > files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in5 > filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?  >=20! > TIA and best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 17:12:00 +0200. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename + Message-ID: <VsjLT9je+Ryh@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   ^ In article <000001c5877b$806afeb0$994614ac@wat153>, "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:B > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSH > 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeG > all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete > > files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in5 > filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?    Method 1: use GNV/bash  bash$ ls .*  5 Method 2: use a DCL command-file like the following:    >  $! <title> directory of files with empty name (.typ) </title>  $ if p1.eqs."" then p1=".*"  $ last = ""  $ loop:  $ file=f$search(p1)  $ if file.eqs."" then exit   $ if file.eqs.last then exit   $ last = file  $ fn = f$parse(file,,,"NAME")*  $ if fn.eqs."" then write sys$output file  $ goto loop    Then @thisfile [...].*    @ The second question: I can't see while delete for a file with no= file-type ("*.") results in an error. Maybe Your DEL command   does something wrong ? It simply works:   Directory DISK$HUBER:[HUBER]   test.;1    Total of 1 file.
 delete test.;  sh sym $STATUS   $STATUS == "%X10000001"    --  6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 09:30:08 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename C Message-ID: <1121272208.863542.259060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, > B > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSH > 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeG > all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete > > files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in5 > filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?  > ! > TIA and best regards R. Wingert       !    $ DIRECTORY /EXCLUDE=%* [*...]       % The wildcards can be in either order.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 11:45:22 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <OaZ9r2CI9Dfk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: > Rudolf Wingert wrote: C >> I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMS I >> 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will see H >> all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete? >> files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in 6 >> filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature? > G > I do not think you can use DIR to list files with no name but with an H > extension. You can write a small .COM to loop through write sys$output' > "''f$sear(".*;*")'" to get the files.   D Small stylistic quibble.  I'd use  write sys$output f$search(".*;*")  I WRITE is one of the DCL commands that do automatic expression evaluation. F You don't need the apostrophes and you don't need the quotation marks.  G Off the top of my head, IF, EXIT, = and == are the other commands where / you can expect automatic expression evaluation.    > F > What strange behaviour do you see with DEL HUGO.*;* I think it looks > fine;  >  > - > $ create .x ! No filename, but an extension  >  Exit / > $ create x. ! no extension but has a filename  >  Exit I > $ dir .* ! Should only show .X (IMHO, but someone will tell me that MHO ! > is wrong), but shows both files   F RMS has no way to distinguish between a blank file name and an omittedK file name.  Since DIR uses a default file specification of SYS$DISK:[]*.*;* J a missing file name is replaced with the wild card taken from the default.  F A blank file name (which is what you want) would override the default.& But there's no syntax to specify that.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 11:45:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <VrT$mCsIkerp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: > - > $ create .x ! No filename, but an extension  >  Exit / > $ create x. ! no extension but has a filename  >  Exit I > $ dir .* ! Should only show .X (IMHO, but someone will tell me that MHO ! > is wrong), but shows both files   G    Sorry, but YHO is wrong.  It's doing exactly what the documentation  F    says it should do, what it's always done, what it's supposed to do.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:56:04 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ( Subject: SSH2 problem after power outage( Message-ID: <opstuubqgszgicya@hyrrokkin>  = Had a brief almost brown out, but it brought everything down. ? I use a W2K box with PuTTY as a means to connect to the cluster   E 1. The venerable VAX 4000/90didn't come back up LED dark, had to flip ?     the switch off/on which probably means the battery is dead.   F 2. One XP1000 didn't come up but there was a green light by the switch4     same procedure as VAX, so maybe similar problem.  I 3. Using PuTTY to access the XP1000  But I am getting connection refused. H     The serviced is enabled and started.  Any idea what this maybe aboutB     I can telnet to the box.  Authentication is set to "keyboard   interactive"   TCPIP> sho version  4    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4E    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:08:07 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: Re: SSH2 problem after power outage( Message-ID: <opstuxntdbzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:56:04 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  ? > Had a brief almost brown out, but it brought everything down. A > I use a W2K box with PuTTY as a means to connect to the cluster  > G > 1. The venerable VAX 4000/90didn't come back up LED dark, had to flip A >     the switch off/on which probably means the battery is dead.  > H > 2. One XP1000 didn't come up but there was a green light by the switch6 >     same procedure as VAX, so maybe similar problem. > K > 3. Using PuTTY to access the XP1000  But I am getting connection refused. J >     The serviced is enabled and started.  Any idea what this maybe aboutD >     I can telnet to the box.  Authentication is set to "keyboard   > interactive" >  > TCPIP> sho version > 6 >    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4G >    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 G Well, I did a manual shutdown and start of the SSH service and it now    works. Hmmm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:45:27 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> , Subject: Re: SSH2 problem after power outage) Message-ID: <rGaBe.4975$5R1.840@fe07.lga>    Tom Linden wrote: K > 3. Using PuTTY to access the XP1000  But I am getting connection refused. I >    The serviced is enabled and started.  Any idea what this maybe about C >    I can telnet to the box.  Authentication is set to "keyboard    >    interactive"   ' Are you actually getting to the system?   6 In a telnet window w/ OPER privs, REPLY/ENABLE=NETWORK   Then, try to connect w/ PuTTY.   Do you see the connect?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:50:48 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 3 Subject: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD 2 Message-ID: <sLaBe.8429$xi1.1523@news.cpqcorp.net>   Michael Unger wrote:, > On 2005-07-12 21:04, "Keith Parris" wrote:B >>[...] It gets much easier to keep power consumption down as you K >>shrink chips into smaller process technologies like 65 nanometers and 45  
 >>nanometers.   I Here I was thinking of the reduced capacitance as the feature size grows   smaller.  C > Narrow structures tend to increase the leakage currents which are   > independent of the clock rate.  G True. Intel used strained-silicon technology to reduce leakage current  C by a factor of 5 for the 90 nm process, and again by an additional  H factor of 4 for the 65 nm process. Intel is also doing some interesting I work in the areas of high-K dielectrics and 3-dimensional transistors --  @ see http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/power/transistor.htm  F > (BTW: Didn't HP claim IBM wouldn't be capable of manufacturing AlphaB > EV79, i.e. just a "design shrink", for these very same reasons?)  D HP worked very hard for a year trying to get a successful EV79, and D finally had to throw in the towel. Going to a fabless semiconductor G design model allows you to share the costs of a fab with other fabless  G customers, which cuts costs, but it also has significant disadvantages  A in terms of the degree to which design and process engineers can  I cooperate, and that can adversely affect time-to-market (and, as in this  G case, can reduce the chances of timely success in product development).   C Intel has top-to-bottom integration, owns their own fabs, and thus  & doesn't suffer the same disadvantages.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 07:11:20 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)K Subject: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop 3 Message-ID: <J+17PuyanuVr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <3jjvleFqfbd4U3@individual.net>, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes: , > On 2005-07-12 21:04, "Keith Parris" wrote: >  >> Michael Unger wrote: I >>> A RTOS running on a *high* power CPU?? Strange, really. Usually RTOSs 2 >>> are running on embedded, i.e. low-power, CPUs. >>  H >> In all the hype about 130-watt high-end Itanium chips, you must have " >                         ^^^^^^^^J >> missed the announcement of the LV series of lower-voltage, lower-power % >> Itanium chips (e.g. 62 watts: see  E >> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20041108comp.htm).  > K > Is "62 watts" really "low power"? I'd rate "below 10 watts" as low-power.  >   J A person who considers that 62 watts is low power obviously never does anyF embedded development... :-) (Although in fairness to Keith, he did say  "lower-power", not "low-power".)  H I personally consider low power to be under 5 watts. For example, take a look at:  1 http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7250-spec-h.html   J That has an advertised power requirement (for the board) of about 2 watts.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 08:37:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: Re: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop 3 Message-ID: <Nf0EWkc797r9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <J+17PuyanuVr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > L > A person who considers that 62 watts is low power obviously never does anyH > embedded development... :-) (Although in fairness to Keith, he did say" > "lower-power", not "low-power".) > J > I personally consider low power to be under 5 watts. For example, take a
 > look at:  F    7 Watts _total_ is not unheard of for a system in my business.  ButB    up to a few hundred Watts total is being done, which could very    well include a 60 Watt CPU.  G    We're looking at some CPU boards now which will eat a couple hundred H    Watts each, because of applications that must have them.  But I'm not<    stuck with doing the power system nor the thermal system.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 11:50:38 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)O Subject: Re: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop 3 Message-ID: <L06xz3TV4pSP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <Nf0EWkc797r9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: z > In article <J+17PuyanuVr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: >>  M >> A person who considers that 62 watts is low power obviously never does any I >> embedded development... :-) (Although in fairness to Keith, he did say # >> "lower-power", not "low-power".)  >>  K >> I personally consider low power to be under 5 watts. For example, take a  >> look at:  > H >    7 Watts _total_ is not unheard of for a system in my business.  ButD >    up to a few hundred Watts total is being done, which could very  >    well include a 60 Watt CPU. >   J I note however that you did not claim that the latter systems are examples of low power systems. :-)   I >    We're looking at some CPU boards now which will eat a couple hundred J >    Watts each, because of applications that must have them.  But I'm not> >    stuck with doing the power system nor the thermal system. >   J I am interested in knowing what kind of embedded systems require this kindG of computing power. (Assuming of course that you are allowed to be more 
 specific.)   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.388 ************************