1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 389       Contents:, Re: Can DCPS and Multinet Printing Co-Exist?, Re: Can DCPS and Multinet Printing Co-Exist? Re: DECnet over DSSI Re: DECnet over DSSI Re: DECnet over DSSI+ Re: Defining pointers in C and VMS debugger  Re: device driver book Re: device driver book Re: device driver book, EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE0 Re: EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE, EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE0 Re: EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX)& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename TCPIP5.4 upgrade?  Re: TCPIP5.4 upgrade?  Re: TCPIP5.4 upgrade? * Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD* Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD* Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD Re: Upgrading VMS F Re: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:07:27 -0400 , From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com>5 Subject: Re: Can DCPS and Multinet Printing Co-Exist? 7 Message-ID: <890539d9050713150774c952a9@mail.gmail.com>   J On 7/12/05, Christopher Story <ke6rwj@spam-eater-remove-me-msn.com> wrote:L > I have 7.3.2 Alpha with Multinet, I have installed DCPS and I can only se= e  > the Multinet print queues. >=20J > I need to be able to run multinet printing and DCPS printing at the same > time.  Is this possible?      J Christopher, I can second Jeremy's experience. Here are some specifics for an HP LJ 4100: (called laser1):   $ file MULTINET:INITIALIZE_LASER1.COM:L $! custom initialization procedure for laser queue laser1 (stream) pra hplj= 4100 $! HP LaserJet 4100dtn $   SET NOON, $   procedure =3D f$environment("PROCEDURE") $   qname =3D "LASER1". $   define /system /executive q'qname' 'qname'A $   write sys$output "Beginning ''procedure' for ''P1' on printer  ''p2' port ''p3'"  $   NLP_Device =3D P1 # $   NLP_Device =3D NLP_Device - ":"  $   Remote_Address =3D P2  $   Remote_Port =3D P3 $   libname =3D "HPDEVCTL" $   feed =3D "FEED" , $   separate =3D "/SEPARATE=3DRESET=3DZNULL"( $   qproc =3D "MultiNet_Stream_Symbiont"! $   If F$GetDVI(NLP_DEVICE,"SPL") 
 $     Then' $       Set Device/NoSpool 'NLP_Device'  $     EndIf / $! set device attributes for HP laser printing:  $!G $   set printer /nofallback /printall /nocr /ff /lowercase 'NLP_Device' L $   set printer /page=3D57 /passall /tab /truncate /width:0 /noWrap 'NLP_De= vice' + $   Set Device/Spool=3D'qname' 'NLP_Device'  $   INITIALIZE/QUEUE/NOSTART -/                 /DESCRIPTION=3D"HPLJ 4100dtn" - $                 /SCHEDULE=3DNOSIZE -&                 /LIBRARY=3D'libname' -#                 /OWNER=3D[SYSTEM] -                  'char' -L                 /DEFAULT=3D('feed',NOFLAG,NOBURST,NOTRAILER,FORM=3D'lform')=  -1                 /PROTECTION=3D(S:E,O:D,G:R,W:W) - &                 /PROCESSOR=3D'qproc' --                 /RETAIN=3D(ERROR)'separate' - *                 /ON=3D'NLP_Device' 'qname' $   EXIT  7 and here's the initialization part of dcps$startup.com:   E $   write sys$output "Starting HP 4100N LaserJet Laser1 on Queue PRA" ' $   @sys$startup:DCPS$execution_queue - C         pra -                           ! P1 - Execution queue name J         "IP_RAWTCP/laser1.example.com:9100" - ! P2 - printserver node nameL         DCPS_LIB -                      ! P3 - Logical name for library(ies= ) G         ""-                             ! P4 - Default queue parameters L         "/default=3D(form=3Ddcps$default,feed)/separate=3D(NOFLAG,NOBURST,N=
 OTRAILER)"! - ! P5 - Default queue qualifiers B         "" -                            ! P6 - Communication speedE         ""-                             ! P7 - Device characteristics <         ""                              ! P8 - Verify on/off $!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:45:22 -0500 ? From: "Christopher Story" <ke6rwj@spam-eater-remove-me-msn.com> 5 Subject: Re: Can DCPS and Multinet Printing Co-Exist? * Message-ID: <9DiBe.5060$5R1.3452@fe07.lga>   Fixed it...    Because of:  $  GOTO SKIP_SAMPLE_EXECUTION   D you better put your printer definitions after SKIP_SAMPLE_EXECUTION:    They were not being executed....  ) Thanks for the same defs they are helpful    Chris   9 "Carl Friedberg" <frida.fried@gmail.com> wrote in message 1 news:890539d9050713150774c952a9@mail.gmail.com... J On 7/12/05, Christopher Story <ke6rwj@spam-eater-remove-me-msn.com> wrote:L > I have 7.3.2 Alpha with Multinet, I have installed DCPS and I can only see > the Multinet print queues. > J > I need to be able to run multinet printing and DCPS printing at the same > time.  Is this possible?      J Christopher, I can second Jeremy's experience. Here are some specifics for an HP LJ 4100: (called laser1):   $ file MULTINET:INITIALIZE_LASER1.COM:F $! custom initialization procedure for laser queue laser1 (stream) pra hplj4100 $! HP LaserJet 4100dtn $   SET NOON* $   procedure = f$environment("PROCEDURE") $   qname = "LASER1". $   define /system /executive q'qname' 'qname'A $   write sys$output "Beginning ''procedure' for ''P1' on printer  ''p2' port ''p3'"  $   NLP_Device = P1 ! $   NLP_Device = NLP_Device - ":"  $   Remote_Address = P2  $   Remote_Port = P3 $   libname = "HPDEVCTL" $   feed = "FEED" & $   separate = "/SEPARATE=RESET=ZNULL"& $   qproc = "MultiNet_Stream_Symbiont"! $   If F$GetDVI(NLP_DEVICE,"SPL") 
 $     Then' $       Set Device/NoSpool 'NLP_Device'  $     EndIf / $! set device attributes for HP laser printing:  $!G $   set printer /nofallback /printall /nocr /ff /lowercase 'NLP_Device' A $   set printer /page=57 /passall /tab /truncate /width:0 /noWrap  'NLP_Device') $   Set Device/Spool='qname' 'NLP_Device'  $   INITIALIZE/QUEUE/NOSTART --                 /DESCRIPTION="HPLJ 4100dtn" - "                 /SCHEDULE=NOSIZE -$                 /LIBRARY='libname' -!                 /OWNER=[SYSTEM] -                  'char' -I                 /DEFAULT=('feed',NOFLAG,NOBURST,NOTRAILER,FORM='lform') - /                 /PROTECTION=(S:E,O:D,G:R,W:W) - $                 /PROCESSOR='qproc' -+                 /RETAIN=(ERROR)'separate' - (                 /ON='NLP_Device' 'qname' $   EXIT  7 and here's the initialization part of dcps$startup.com:   E $   write sys$output "Starting HP 4100N LaserJet Laser1 on Queue PRA" ' $   @sys$startup:DCPS$execution_queue - C         pra -                           ! P1 - Execution queue name J         "IP_RAWTCP/laser1.example.com:9100" - ! P2 - printserver node nameL         DCPS_LIB -                      ! P3 - Logical name for library(ies)G         ""-                             ! P4 - Default queue parameters   G "/default=(form=dcps$default,feed)/separate=(NOFLAG,NOBURST,NOTRAILER)" ! - ! P5 - Default queue qualifiers B         "" -                            ! P6 - Communication speedE         ""-                             ! P7 - Device characteristics <         ""                              ! P8 - Verify on/off $!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:09 GMT ) From: Olaf Krugre <olafkrugre@kansas.net>  Subject: Re: DECnet over DSSI 5 Message-ID: <Xns969299CDE7BB98976235896123@68.6.19.6>   G On 12 Jul 2005, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> posted some news:5402b * $42d4081a$513b9a2c$22077@news.versatel.nl:   > : > "Olaf Krugre" <olafkrugre@kansas.net> schreef in bericht0 > news:Xns96907454750A8976235896123@68.6.19.6...@ >> On 08 Jul 2005, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> posted some 
 news:7d2ac, >> $42cec621$513b9a2c$8296@news.versatel.nl: >>E >> > Years ago it was possible to run DECnet over the CI bus. IIRC it  >> involved . >> > loading the CYDRIVER to make that happen.7 >> > The question is: can DECnet run over the DSSI bus?  >> > If so, with what driver?  >> >	 >> > Hans  >> > >> > >> >> CI Clusters:  >>G >> SYSGEN> CONNECT CNA0 /NOADAPT /DRIVER=CNDRIVER (CI Data Link Driver)  >>2 >> NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.1 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 12 >> NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.2 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 2 >> >  > Olaf,  > B > OK, thanks for the pointers. This is what I see (on both nodes): >  > NCP>sho know circ  >  > ; > Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 12-JUL-2005 20:11:00  > C >    Circuit          State                   Loopback     Adjacent F >                                               Name      Routing Node > - >   CI-0.0            on       -synchronizing - >   CI-0.1            on       -synchronizing  >   ISA-0             off  > NCP> > A > Both nodes have DVNETRTG loaded, so it's not a license problem. F > IIRC this also happened the first time I used this on a CI cluster,  but ) > cannot remember what to do to fix it...  > Any ideas? >  > Hans >    See the circuit definitions?  $ NCP> SHOW CIRC CI-0.0 CHAR (Or LIST)  % Note the tributary that it points to.   H There must be a matching circuit and tributary on the other host for it  to sync up with.   For example:  A NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.1 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 4 (On Host "NODEA")    would expect to see,  A NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.4 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 1 (On Host "NODEB")   5 The .1 and .4 corresponded with the CI node number.      ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:48:02 +0200 & From: "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> Subject: Re: DECnet over DSSI ; Message-ID: <8713b$42d59a7f$513b9a2c$5491@news.versatel.nl>   8 "Olaf Krugre" <olafkrugre@kansas.net> schreef in bericht/ news:Xns969299CDE7BB98976235896123@68.6.19.6... I > On 12 Jul 2005, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> posted some news:5402b , > $42d4081a$513b9a2c$22077@news.versatel.nl: >  > > < > > "Olaf Krugre" <olafkrugre@kansas.net> schreef in bericht2 > > news:Xns96907454750A8976235896123@68.6.19.6...A > >> On 08 Jul 2005, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> posted some  > news:7d2ac. > >> $42cec621$513b9a2c$8296@news.versatel.nl: > >>G > >> > Years ago it was possible to run DECnet over the CI bus. IIRC it 
 > >> involved 0 > >> > loading the CYDRIVER to make that happen.9 > >> > The question is: can DECnet run over the DSSI bus?  > >> > If so, with what driver?  > >> > > >> > Hans  > >> > > >> > > >> > >> CI Clusters:  > >>I > >> SYSGEN> CONNECT CNA0 /NOADAPT /DRIVER=CNDRIVER (CI Data Link Driver)  > >>4 > >> NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.1 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 14 > >> NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.2 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 2 > >> > > 	 > > Olaf,  > > D > > OK, thanks for the pointers. This is what I see (on both nodes): > >  > > NCP>sho know circ  > >  > > = > > Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 12-JUL-2005 20:11:00  > > E > >    Circuit          State                   Loopback     Adjacent H > >                                               Name      Routing Node > > / > >   CI-0.0            on       -synchronizing / > >   CI-0.1            on       -synchronizing  > >   ISA-0             off  > > NCP> > > C > > Both nodes have DVNETRTG loaded, so it's not a license problem. G > > IIRC this also happened the first time I used this on a CI cluster,  > but + > > cannot remember what to do to fix it...  > > Any ideas? > >  > > Hans > >  >  > See the circuit definitions? > & > NCP> SHOW CIRC CI-0.0 CHAR (Or LIST) > ' > Note the tributary that it points to.  > I > There must be a matching circuit and tributary on the other host for it  > to sync up with. >  > For example: > C > NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.1 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 4 (On Host "NODEA")  >  > would expect to see, > C > NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.4 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 1 (On Host "NODEB")  > 5 > The .1 and .4 corresponded with the CI node number.  >  >   E The two cluster nodes are called CHROOM and CERIUM, their CI line and  circuit characteristics are:   CHROOM:    NCP>sho circ ci-0.0 char      ; Circuit Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:46:47      Circuit = CI-0.0    
 State = on   Substate = -synchronizing    Service = enabled   	 Cost = 10    Hello timer = 15  
 Tributary = 1    Maximum buffers = 9    Verification = disabled      NCP>sho line ci-0 char      8 Line Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:48:06     Line = CI-0      Receive buffers = 4        CERIUM:    NCP>sho circ ci-0.1 char    ; Circuit Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:46:28    Circuit = CI-0.1   State                    = on ) Substate                 = -synchronizing " Service                  = enabled Cost                     = 10  Hello timer              = 15  Tributary                = 0 Maximum buffers          = 9# Verification             = disabled      NCP>sho line ci-0 char    8 Line Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:49:32   Line = CI-0    Receive buffers          = 4     NCP>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:06:03 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: DECnet over DSSI + Message-ID: <42D5BA7B.86C14EA1@comcast.net>    H Vlems wrote: > : > "Olaf Krugre" <olafkrugre@kansas.net> schreef in bericht1 > news:Xns969299CDE7BB98976235896123@68.6.19.6... K > > On 12 Jul 2005, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> posted some news:5402b . > > $42d4081a$513b9a2c$22077@news.versatel.nl: > >  > > > > > > > "Olaf Krugre" <olafkrugre@kansas.net> schreef in bericht4 > > > news:Xns96907454750A8976235896123@68.6.19.6...C > > >> On 08 Jul 2005, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> posted some  > > news:7d2ac0 > > >> $42cec621$513b9a2c$8296@news.versatel.nl: > > >>I > > >> > Years ago it was possible to run DECnet over the CI bus. IIRC it  > > >> involved 2 > > >> > loading the CYDRIVER to make that happen.; > > >> > The question is: can DECnet run over the DSSI bus? ! > > >> > If so, with what driver?  > > >> >
 > > >> > Hans  > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> CI Clusters:  > > >>K > > >> SYSGEN> CONNECT CNA0 /NOADAPT /DRIVER=CNDRIVER (CI Data Link Driver)  > > >>6 > > >> NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.1 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 16 > > >> NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.2 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 2 > > >> > > >  > > > Olaf,  > > > F > > > OK, thanks for the pointers. This is what I see (on both nodes): > > >  > > > NCP>sho know circ  > > >  > > > ? > > > Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 12-JUL-2005 20:11:00  > > > G > > >    Circuit          State                   Loopback     Adjacent J > > >                                               Name      Routing Node > > > 1 > > >   CI-0.0            on       -synchronizing 1 > > >   CI-0.1            on       -synchronizing  > > >   ISA-0             off 
 > > > NCP> > > > E > > > Both nodes have DVNETRTG loaded, so it's not a license problem. I > > > IIRC this also happened the first time I used this on a CI cluster,  > > but - > > > cannot remember what to do to fix it...  > > > Any ideas? > > > 
 > > > Hans > > >  > >   > > See the circuit definitions? > > ( > > NCP> SHOW CIRC CI-0.0 CHAR (Or LIST) > > ) > > Note the tributary that it points to.  > > K > > There must be a matching circuit and tributary on the other host for it  > > to sync up with. > >  > > For example: > > E > > NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.1 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 4 (On Host "NODEA")  > >  > > would expect to see, > > E > > NCP> DEFINE CIRCUIT CI-0.4 STATE ON TRIBUTARY 1 (On Host "NODEB")  > > 7 > > The .1 and .4 corresponded with the CI node number.  > >  > >  > G > The two cluster nodes are called CHROOM and CERIUM, their CI line and  > circuit characteristics are: > 	 > CHROOM:  >  > NCP>sho circ ci-0.0 char > = > Circuit Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:46:47  >  > Circuit = CI-0.0 >  > State = on >  > Substate = -synchronizing  >  > Service = enabled  >  > Cost = 10  >  > Hello timer = 15 >  > Tributary = 1  >  > Maximum buffers = 9  >  > Verification = disabled  >  > NCP>sho line ci-0 char > : > Line Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:48:06 > 
 > Line = CI-0  >  > Receive buffers = 4  > 	 > CERIUM:  >  > NCP>sho circ ci-0.1 char > = > Circuit Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:46:28  >  > Circuit = CI-0.1 >  > State                    = on + > Substate                 = -synchronizing $ > Service                  = enabled > Cost                     = 10  > Hello timer              = 15  > Tributary                = 0 > Maximum buffers          = 9% > Verification             = disabled  >  > NCP>sho line ci-0 char > : > Line Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2005 00:49:32 > 
 > Line = CI-0  >  > Receive buffers          = 4 >  > NCP>  : So, it seems Olaf is recommending using, for example, SHOWE CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS  and ADD CIRC to display the CI node numbers, then F make the appropriate entries in NCP on each machine that you want have talk to a partner via the CI.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:42 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 4 Subject: Re: Defining pointers in C and VMS debugger1 Message-ID: <6keBe.8454$0q1.822@news.cpqcorp.net>   e In article <1121229448.818413.322570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes:   B :I am attempting to define a pointer to a character array inside aD :strucutre from which I have a pointer to.  (I wish to also use thisB :syntax to evaluate the pointer inside the VMS debugger. See code)  E   What is your root goal here?  Learning C?  Passing around pointers? D   Solving some (unspecified) programming requirement or application?C   (I could interprete this as a generic C programming question, for C   instance, or resolving a homework or test problem, or as a search E   for information on using C on OpenVMS.  Etc.  With some background, B   I might be able to better target the answer I (try to) provide.)   F :I have attached a little program in which I try to code the syntax toG :define a pointer to the second element of a unsigned byte array from a  :structure pointer.   D   I'm not sure why you're referencing and dereferencing the pointersE   as often as you are.  The code is rather more complex than it needs B   to be, and the numbers of references and dereferences within the?   debugger statements look to be tangling things unnecessarily.   F   C pointer handling and arrays make for interesting mixtures -- thereD   are a number of folks that simply use pointers to access the data,D   and not arrays.  If you choose to mix them, you need to be careful>   with how you reference and dereference, and the implicit andD   pointer-like nature of the array references.  It can be confusing.  C :It appears from examining the pointer that the calculated value is H :correct, however when I attempt to evaluate the pointer in the debuggerG :I get the included error message, which leads me to think it is wrong.   D   The Debugger doesn't give you everything the C compiler gives you,B   as the debugger is a debugger and not a C interpreter.  (It doesA   reasonably well here, but your specified syntax is somewhat far    afield from the usual norm.)  G :Could I be advised of the correct syntax to define the pointer and the + :correct syntax to examine in the debugger.   I   For OpenVMS C coding discussions, do see the information in the OpenVMS G   FAQ, and the examples and details in the Ask The Wizard area, and the H   contents of the NLSA/AskQ area.  (Pointers to all that are in the FAQ,I   and the FAQ is at <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/>.  The text-format     FAQ is easiest to search, too.     --  F   I've changed a few things, but tried to keep the spirit of the code.1   (If I've guessed correctly at same, of course.)      --   #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h>  #include <string.h>  #define MAXSTRING 32  int main (int argc, char **argv)    {<    //  I'm arguably old-fashioned in my preferences here, in;    //  that I prefer to have the declarations at the top of :    //  the routine.  This is "classic" C, not "current" C.    //     struct message        { &       unsigned char buffer[MAXSTRING];       };2    struct message messageS, *messageP = &messageS;  8    //  Utilize the implicit pointer address inherent in     //  an array reference.    // ,    unsigned char *ptr1a  = messageP->buffer;2    unsigned char *ptr1b  = &(messageP->buffer[0]);0    unsigned char *ptr2a  = messageP->buffer + 1;2    unsigned char *ptr2b  = &(messageP->buffer[1]);  3    //  Copy four characters into the string buffer.     // -    strcpy( (char *) messageS.buffer, "ABC" );       // 2    //  You can here use debugger commands such as:    //    examine ptr1a    //    examine/asci:1 *ptr1a    //    examine/asci:1 *ptr2b#    //    examine/az messageS.buffer 
    //    etc. (    //  to poke around in the structures.    //   C    //  The following is an exit, but could also be replaced with an A    //  inclusion of ssdef.h and a "return SS$_NORMAL;" statement. C    //  (I prefer not to return a zero to DCL -- realize that exit() B    //  does fix up the EXIT_SUCCESS on the way out to DCL.  I alsoD    //  prefer to use symbolic constants -- EXIT_SUCCESS, SS$_NORMAL,=    //  or MAXSTRING being examples -- and not numeric values.     //     exit( EXIT_SUCCESS );    }        N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:35:00 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: device driver book V Message-ID: <OFE55E074D.98492B87-ON0725703D.0065F85A-0725703D.006614F9@mck.us.ray.com>  @ Good for you,Fred (and wife).  The labor of love is appreciated!   dave.   E "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote on 07/13/2005 09:56:55 AM:   / > Yes. the book was sold through Digital Press.  > D > It is old now, and wasn't really as complete as it could have been > even when it was new.  > > > My wife and I have signed on to do an updated version of the> > book.  Given that the deal involves me getting no money, and3 > using no HP time - it may take a little while ;-)  >  > > > "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message) > news:ZBbWvix0ucI1@cuebid.zko.dec.com... 2 > > David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes: > > > Once upon a time > > > H > > >  Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C, Developer's Guide and# > > >  Reference Manual (Paperback)  > > > 9 > > > was available but apparently it's out of print now.  > > > K > > > Does it still apply to current versions of VMS?  I found it on Amazon  > (not: > > > cheap and short supply) and wonder about it's value. > > I > > Was that book ever available for sale?  It was distributed as part of  the - > > documentation set for OpenVMS Alpha V7.0.  > > G > > If you are unfamiliar with driver-writing in general, it is a great 
 > startingG > > point.  As the book attempts to explain some otherwise-undocumented  > routines, K > > it is likely that a few things have changed in the near-decade since it  > was  > > written. > >  > > -- > > 3 > > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group  > brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:16:13 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: device driver book 2 Message-ID: <NogBe.8482$HA1.8291@news.cpqcorp.net>  G "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:iY09q66+7DQE@eisner.encompasserve.org... ; > In article <rJbBe.8432$im1.259@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" $ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:1 > > Yes. the book was sold through Digital Press.  > > F > > It is old now, and wasn't really as complete as it could have been > > even when it was new.  > >  > H > I developed a driver for V7.2 from this book. There is a manual in theG > VMS documentation set that covers the V7.x 64 bit extensions that you ) > also need to read as well as this book.  >   I Some of the biggest missing pieces right now are - PCI specifics (reading H and writing config space), the read and write calls (instead of the CRAM IO),I a discussion of file based autoconfig and how to add your device, a short F tutorial on memory barriers and implied barriers when talking to a DMAD device, buffer objects (IIRC), reserving low-core memory, direct DMA windows, etc, etc, etc.   J When I say it was incomplete even as it came out, this has more to do withG things moving forward quickly (like the depreciation of the use of CRAM I by most driver writers, the advent of the PCI bus, file based autoconfig, H etc).  The primary writers (Margie and Lenny) always planned on a secondA edition, and have lots of notes and inputs from a host of people.   H My experience so far is that there is nearly no difference between AlphaE drivers and Itanium drivers (of course, there is a difference between H V7.* and V8.2 - in that large PFN's are now supported in anticipation of8 memory sizes that can't be represented in a 32-bit PFN).  = So it should be a lot of fun if I can ever get it started ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:31:15 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>  Subject: Re: device driver book 3 Message-ID: <slrnddbn43.hq2.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   8 On 2005-07-13, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:J > My experience so far is that there is nearly no difference between AlphaG > drivers and Itanium drivers (of course, there is a difference between J > V7.* and V8.2 - in that large PFN's are now supported in anticipation of: > memory sizes that can't be represented in a 32-bit PFN).   Thanks; that's good to know. --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 
 Version: 3.12 H GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++   ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:06:11 +0200 - From: Excellent Advice <excellent@advice.com> 5 Subject: EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE J Message-ID: <a230c555289289fb6384ef32219f6128@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>   Nomen Nescio wrote:  > D >JF Mezei provided yet another wonderful display of his dementia and	 >kookdom:  >  >>Gregory Morrow wrote: M >>> Lol...me neither Miguel...we should get *something* for at least sticking  >>> around so long...  >> >>C >>You may just get a nice vacation at a government operated resort.  > B >Nah, you're just projecting your desires to be with your Al Qaeda >brethren in Guantanamo. > J >>I would strongly suggest you contact a real lawyer to advise you on yourJ >>liabilities for knmowingly reposting the slander posted by Nomen Nescio.= >>You have been warned many times, yet you continue to do it.  > ? >I would strongly suggest that you take your ridiculous, empty, G >demented legal threats and shove them up your ass while you masturbate ! >with your pesky little foreskin.  > @ >Unlike you, Greg lives in a democratic country that affords him? >freedom of speech.  Unlike you, he doesn't live in a backward, D >provincial, uneducated shithole of a backwater where grown men liveG >with their mothers in chronic unemployment their whole lives and whose A >only source of entertainment and amusement in life is hating and B >envying the USA and ranting on usenet like a lunatic making empty >legal threats.  > D >Last I heard, it wasn't a crime anywhere in the LAND OF THE FREE toG >quote what someone else has written, so I suggest you start respecting E >Greg's civil rights under the US Constitution or it might be YOU who E >might find yourself in a "government operated resort" for conspiring F >to take away a US citizen's rights.  The ACLU will shove a lawsuit upG >your skanky little white trash ass so fast you'll think one of your Al C >Qaeda buddies was butt-fucking you with his shoulder-fired missile  >again.  > > >And just for the record, rec.travel.air is not comp.os.vms orF >can.internet.highspeed.  You might have succeeded in intimidating all< >the idiots in those groups into silence and playing by yourD >control-freak rules, but you have another thing coming if you think5 >you're going to be doing the same in rec.travel.air.  > G >You'll sooner find yourself getting fucked in the ass by your Al Qaeda G >heroes morning noon and night in Gitmo than bully and intimidate r.t.a @ >regulars like you did with all those pussies in comp.os.vms and >can.internet.highspeed. > 3 >Now fuck off and die, you worthless piece of shit.   F This is an excellent post.  I advice Mr. Morrow to seek legal counsel.  F As a lawyer I can say he may have a case if he is being threatened andJ harassed by Mr. Mezei who appears to be trying to deprive him of his First Amendment rights.   5 Seek the services of a good lawyer in your area ASAP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:23:18 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> 9 Subject: Re: EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE C Message-ID: <GnhBe.22552$eM6.1719@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Excellent Advice wrote:    > Nomen Nescio wrote:  > > F > >JF Mezei provided yet another wonderful display of his dementia and > >kookdom:  > >  > >>Gregory Morrow wrote: F > >>> Lol...me neither Miguel...we should get *something* for at least sticking > >>> around so long...  > >> > >>E > >>You may just get a nice vacation at a government operated resort.  > > D > >Nah, you're just projecting your desires to be with your Al Qaeda > >brethren in Guantanamo. > > L > >>I would strongly suggest you contact a real lawyer to advise you on yourL > >>liabilities for knmowingly reposting the slander posted by Nomen Nescio.? > >>You have been warned many times, yet you continue to do it.  > > A > >I would strongly suggest that you take your ridiculous, empty, I > >demented legal threats and shove them up your ass while you masturbate # > >with your pesky little foreskin.  > > B > >Unlike you, Greg lives in a democratic country that affords himA > >freedom of speech.  Unlike you, he doesn't live in a backward, F > >provincial, uneducated shithole of a backwater where grown men liveI > >with their mothers in chronic unemployment their whole lives and whose C > >only source of entertainment and amusement in life is hating and D > >envying the USA and ranting on usenet like a lunatic making empty > >legal threats.  > > F > >Last I heard, it wasn't a crime anywhere in the LAND OF THE FREE toI > >quote what someone else has written, so I suggest you start respecting G > >Greg's civil rights under the US Constitution or it might be YOU who G > >might find yourself in a "government operated resort" for conspiring H > >to take away a US citizen's rights.  The ACLU will shove a lawsuit upI > >your skanky little white trash ass so fast you'll think one of your Al E > >Qaeda buddies was butt-fucking you with his shoulder-fired missile 	 > >again.  > > @ > >And just for the record, rec.travel.air is not comp.os.vms orH > >can.internet.highspeed.  You might have succeeded in intimidating all> > >the idiots in those groups into silence and playing by yourF > >control-freak rules, but you have another thing coming if you think7 > >you're going to be doing the same in rec.travel.air.  > > I > >You'll sooner find yourself getting fucked in the ass by your Al Qaeda I > >heroes morning noon and night in Gitmo than bully and intimidate r.t.a B > >regulars like you did with all those pussies in comp.os.vms and > >can.internet.highspeed. > > 5 > >Now fuck off and die, you worthless piece of shit.  > H > This is an excellent post.  I advice Mr. Morrow to seek legal counsel. > H > As a lawyer I can say he may have a case if he is being threatened andL > harassed by Mr. Mezei who appears to be trying to deprive him of his First > Amendment rights.  > 7 > Seek the services of a good lawyer in your area ASAP.     I Lol...poor, poor Mezei.  Since he hasn't worked for years, how on *earth*  could he afford a lawyer...???  E I think we should all chip in and send him down to that Cuban holiday G paradise in Gitmo, he could preach to all the "holidaymakers" about the  evils of the Bush Regime :-)   --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:49:15 +0200 - From: Excellent Advice <excellent@advice.com> 5 Subject: EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE J Message-ID: <2ff66ba3a231bfe993ee52e722149b13@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>   Nomen Nescio wrote:   D >JF Mezei provided yet another wonderful display of his dementia and	 >kookdom:  >  >>Gregory Morrow wrote: M >>> Lol...me neither Miguel...we should get *something* for at least sticking  >>> around so long...  >> >>C >>You may just get a nice vacation at a government operated resort.  > B >Nah, you're just projecting your desires to be with your Al Qaeda >brethren in Guantanamo. > J >>I would strongly suggest you contact a real lawyer to advise you on yourJ >>liabilities for knmowingly reposting the slander posted by Nomen Nescio.= >>You have been warned many times, yet you continue to do it.  > ? >I would strongly suggest that you take your ridiculous, empty, G >demented legal threats and shove them up your ass while you masturbate ! >with your pesky little foreskin.  > @ >Unlike you, Greg lives in a democratic country that affords him? >freedom of speech.  Unlike you, he doesn't live in a backward, D >provincial, uneducated shithole of a backwater where grown men liveG >with their mothers in chronic unemployment their whole lives and whose A >only source of entertainment and amusement in life is hating and B >envying the USA and ranting on usenet like a lunatic making empty >legal threats.  > D >Last I heard, it wasn't a crime anywhere in the LAND OF THE FREE toG >quote what someone else has written, so I suggest you start respecting E >Greg's civil rights under the US Constitution or it might be YOU who E >might find yourself in a "government operated resort" for conspiring F >to take away a US citizen's rights.  The ACLU will shove a lawsuit upG >your skanky little white trash ass so fast you'll think one of your Al C >Qaeda buddies was butt-fucking you with his shoulder-fired missile  >again.  > > >And just for the record, rec.travel.air is not comp.os.vms orF >can.internet.highspeed.  You might have succeeded in intimidating all< >the idiots in those groups into silence and playing by yourD >control-freak rules, but you have another thing coming if you think5 >you're going to be doing the same in rec.travel.air.  > G >You'll sooner find yourself getting fucked in the ass by your Al Qaeda G >heroes morning noon and night in Gitmo than bully and intimidate r.t.a @ >regulars like you did with all those pussies in comp.os.vms and >can.internet.highspeed. > 3 >Now fuck off and die, you worthless piece of shit.   F This is an excellent post.  I advice Mr. Morrow to seek legal counsel.  F As a lawyer I can say he may have a case if he is being threatened andJ harassed by Mr. Mezei who appears to be trying to deprive him of his First Amendment rights.   5 Seek the services of a good lawyer in your area ASAP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:17:33 -0700 , From: "PTravel" <ptravel@travelersvideo.com>9 Subject: Re: EXCELLENT POST - MR MORROW SEEK LEGAL ADVICE + Message-ID: <3jlp8uFqso52U1@individual.net>   : "Excellent Advice" <excellent@advice.com> wrote in messageD news:a230c555289289fb6384ef32219f6128@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...  H > This is an excellent post.  I advice Mr. Morrow to seek legal counsel.   That would be, "advise."   > H > As a lawyer I can say he may have a case if he is being threatened andL > harassed by Mr. Mezei who appears to be trying to deprive him of his First > Amendment rights.   F If you're a lawyer, then perhaps you can explain how a non-state-actor: individual can deprive anyone of "First Amendment rights."   This should be interesting.    > 7 > Seek the services of a good lawyer in your area ASAP.  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:25:09 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) 0 Message-ID: <11dau6hiankin8c@corp.supernews.com>   Good afternoon all  , I downloaded FIXQUE.COM today and tested it.B I found one problem in it, due to the fact that a long time ago, aK programmer started a batch that resubmitted itself over and over, resulting L in a lot of entry creation, and since then our entry numbers are very large. $ sh ent4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------6 1002735  POW_LIC_CNT     SYLTREM             Executing-          On available batch queue AXIS_KRONOS   K So... the check to see if column 1 of a line has a blank in it is no longer  working.J I fixed the problem by checking if the 2nd or 3rd word of the line fetched4 from the "show que/full/all" file is "queue", as in:" Generic server queue MULTINET_SMTP orA Server queue SMTP_HELIOS, idle, on HELIOS::, mounted form DEFAULT   E Who do I send the correction to, so that it finds its way to the next  freeware CD? Keith Parris, are you there?   Very useful tool.    Thanks  ? "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> a crit dans le message de - news:wCFre.2336$g4.32600@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...  > < > "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in message3 > news:8660a3a105060910536a43d9a8@mail.gmail.com... 6 > On 6/9/05, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote:B > > >From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.504279.killspam.00c3 (Wayne Sewell)> > > >Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)" > > >Date: 9 Jun 2005 11:06:27 CDT3 > > >Message-ID: <JxCk4UYieSS9@tachxxsoftxxconsult> / > > >From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  > > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms> > > >Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) > >  > > >>D > > >> Another area to examine would be batch queues. If the currentI > > >> environment is a heavy batch environment, then the moving of these  jobsH > > >> to the new environment needs to be planned as batch jobs keep theK > > >> physical characteristics of where they were originally submitted to.  > > > L > > >I don't understand. Batch jobs will just start on the queues. Of course > you F > > >have to be careful about SYSGEN parameters on the new machine but > basically L > > >all should work, you only have to tune later. It's more of a problem if > you K > > >plan to move to a significantly smaller machine but other than that...  > > >  > > L > > Here's an example.  This job is currently in a batch queue on my system, a . > > nightly tapesys backup of important files. > > , > > Batch queue TAPE$HARDY, idle, on HARDY::3 > >  /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /JOB_LIMIT=1 /OWNER=[TAPESYS] ! > /PROTECTION=(S:RSMD,O:RSMD,G,W)  > > 7 > >  Entry  Jobname         Username             Status 7 > >  -----  -------         --------             ------  > >    964  SYSBAK_HOTSTUFF_1 J > >                         TAPESYS              Holding until  9-JUN-2005
 > 20:30:00.00 3 > >         Submitted  9-JUN-2005 00:05:07.30 /KEEP  > K /LOG=LAUREL$DKB100:[TAPESYS_PRODUCTION.][SYSBAK.LOGS]SYSBAK_HOTSTUFF_1.LOG; : > >         /PARAM=("HOTSTUFF","1") /NOPRINT /PRIORITY=100J > >         File: _LAUREL$DKB100:[TAPESYS_PRODUCTION.SYSTEM]SYSBAK.BIS;776 > >  > > H > > Note that the file name contains a physical device name, despite the fact > thatA > > it was submitted using a logical name.  This is the "physical  > characteristics B > > of where they were originally submitted to" mentioned earlier. > > H > > So *if* you place the disk cloned from _LAUREL$DKB100: into the same
 > relativeJ > > slot on the same relative scsi controller on the new system, then this > batch J > > job will work.  If the disk has a different scsi ID on the new system, or > isJ > > not on the second scsi controller, the name will be different, such asL > > _LAUREL$DKC400:, and the job will fail because it can't find the command" > > procedure on _LAUREL$DKB100: . > >  > L ============================================================================ > === < > > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 > wayne@tachysoft.com < > > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html > >  > L ============================================================================ > === I > > Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can  buy  > that." > > K > >> Your point is well taken-- just about the only time I believe in using F > >> physical device names is in SYLOGICALS.COM, although there may beI > >> application-specific exceptions to the general rule, but if and only + > >> if a logical absolutely can't be used.  > >> > >> WWWebb  > >> >  > I take good note of that too. F > I'm currently doing a revision of our disaster recovery plan and had > overlooked this fact. H > The plan was actually tested and all the applications were fine, but I never F > started the jobs already waiting in the queues. Will test next time. >  > Thanks	 > Syltrem  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:41:20 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) ) Message-ID: <42D56E60.2000107@vajhoej.dk>    Main, Kerry wrote:B > Just curious, but what kind of success has MONO had running .NetH > applications on UNIX? How easy is to actually develop in .Net and thenA > move application to UNIX for production? What about performance  > concerns?  > I > As an example, there are a number of Mission Critical HP Customers that G > do J2EE Java applic development on Windows/Linux desktops, but deploy J > the runtimes on OpenVMS (and higher end UNIX's btw) for Prod as they can? > not afford the time and resources associated with the monthly I > Windows/Linux OS security patches that would significantly impact their E > QA/ Test cycles [mission critical shops have to QA/Test any patches # > before rolling into production].   > C > To move Java apps to production, it is really as simple as a copy / > operation where the QA/Test cycles can begin.  > D > Does Mono provide this capability i.e. develop in traditional .NetH > environment and then allow the run times to be copied / run in QA/Prod > UNIX environments?   Yes and No.   E You should be able to take .NET assemblies (.exe and .dll files - not A to be confused with .exe and .dll files containing native code !) > and move them to any platform with a .NET engine and run them.   Exactly like Java.   But there are an oops.  5 If you make a Java implementation you need to be 100% 9 compatible with Java version x.y (and SUN have a TCK with 8 87000 unit tests to verify). Or you will hear from SUN's lawyers.   Not so for .NET.  & The trick is that there are 2 .NET's !  @ There are the standard .NET defined in the ECMA standard (called> CLI). And there are MS .NET implementations (versions 1.0, 1.1= and 2.0). The size of the libraries ind the ECMA standard and 8 the size of the libraries in MS .NET 1.1 is approx. like" ANSI C libraries to the Win32 API.  = Mono implement the ECMA standard and M percent of MS .NET 1.1 > and N percent of MS .NET 2.0 as the developers has had time to9 implement the stuff and as it is possible to implement on  non windows platforms.  ? Win Forms requires Wine to run on Linux. Most of the enterprise = stuff is missing. And other small pieces are missing here and  there.  - But they have added an excellent GTK library.   ? The bottom line is that Mono is an excelent tool for developing D linux apps in C# but not a good tool for cross platform development.  A And it is not a theoretical problem. My guess is that >50% of the + C# code being written will not run on Mono.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:12:05 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) + Message-ID: <42D5BBE5.3B51EF73@comcast.net>    Chuck Chopp wrote: >  > Main, Kerry wrote: > F > > Does Mono provide this capability i.e. develop in traditional .NetJ > > environment and then allow the run times to be copied / run in QA/Prod > > UNIX environments? > % > In a nutshell, the answer is "yes".  > H > Microsoft's .NET application platform is nothing more than a series ofH > language compilers all generating code for a common back-end - the CLRM > [Common Language Run-time].  The CLR is Microsoft's answer to Sun's JVM for N > Java.  As with Java, you develop once and then deploy the byte-code compilerN > output to other systems on which a virtual machine of some sort will processJ > the byte-code and execute the instructions it contains.  MONO is nothingJ > more than a port of the .NET CLR over to Unix/Linux platforms.  Once youN > have a working CLR that provides all of the underpinnings necessary for .NETF > apps to be executed, you can then deploy those .NET apps over to any& > platform on which the CLR functions.  F Why does that sound like "BASIC Plus" for Windows? ...or semi-compiledE interpretive languages like "SIBOL" (a DIBOL emulator for UN*X that I  once saw back in the mid-80's)?   H The BASIC Plus "object" code was easily de-compilable, thus allowing for# source changes and re"compilation".   H > This doesn't address issues of performance & funtionality, nor is it aH > comparison or discussion of the relative merits of J2EE vs. .NET, it'sM > simply a statement of how the bugger works.  It's just Microsoft's clone of M > Java & the JVM created out of an unwillingness to license Java from Sun and J > Microsoft's inability to not be in the driver's seat in terms of how the' > development of Java itself continues.   D ...thus allowing M$ to dontinue to dictate de-facto (most people sayB "industry") standards unilaterally without going through the usual+ channels (the recognized standards bodies).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:55:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename , Message-ID: <42D55580.8A737E4C@teksavvy.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote: B > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMS  I If you are talking about files that exist in the file system, but have no T directory entries, as opposed to files that exist but have a weird empty name, then:   ANA/DISK/REPAIR  disk:  E will find all those stray nameless files and put them in the [SYSERR] # directory at the root of your disk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:02:03 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename + Message-ID: <3jl38rFqi09sU1@individual.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:< > In article <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver") > <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes:  >>. >> $ create .x ! No filename, but an extension >>  Exit0 >> $ create x. ! no extension but has a filename >>  ExitF >> $ dir .* ! Should only show .X (IMHO, but someone will tell me that& >> MHO is wrong), but shows both files > H >    Sorry, but YHO is wrong.  It's doing exactly what the documentationH >    says it should do, what it's always done, what it's supposed to do.  H Thanks for keeping the spirit of COV alive :), but you forgot to mention@ Bush, Iraq, or Kyoto. How can we call this COV if a thread stays  on-topic after three replies? :(   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:24:50 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 2 Message-ID: <S%cBe.8444$xj1.5499@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > ANA/DISK/REPAIR  disk: > G > will find all those stray nameless files and put them in the [SYSERR] % > directory at the root of your disk.   	 [SYSLOST]    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 21:12:29 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename , Message-ID: <42d583bd$1@news.langstoeger.at>  T In article <OaZ9r2CI9Dfk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:c >In article <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: H >> I do not think you can use DIR to list files with no name but with anI >> extension. You can write a small .COM to loop through write sys$output ( >> "''f$sear(".*;*")'" to get the files. > E >Small stylistic quibble.  I'd use  write sys$output f$search(".*;*")  > J >WRITE is one of the DCL commands that do automatic expression evaluation.G >You don't need the apostrophes and you don't need the quotation marks.   L While I agree on the easiness, I use the first version (w/ apostrophe), too,K because of batchjob logfiles. You know, I know my commandfile, but I'd like J to see in the logfile what the situation was at the time when the batchjobM ran (if SYS$OUTPUT is not the logfile or if SYS$OUTPUT is not used at all)...    So, it depends...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 14:47:54 -0700# From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename B Message-ID: <1121291274.446544.14920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: d > In article <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: > > Rudolf Wingert wrote: E > >> I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMS K > >> 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will see J > >> all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you deleteA > >> files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in 8 > >> filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?   <snips>  > > / > > $ create .x ! No filename, but an extension 	 > >  Exit 1 > > $ create x. ! no extension but has a filename 	 > >  Exit K > > $ dir .* ! Should only show .X (IMHO, but someone will tell me that MHO # > > is wrong), but shows both files  > H > RMS has no way to distinguish between a blank file name and an omittedM > file name.  Since DIR uses a default file specification of SYS$DISK:[]*.*;* L > a missing file name is replaced with the wild card taken from the default. > H > A blank file name (which is what you want) would override the default.( > But there's no syntax to specify that.  D Yes, that's the way it's always worked, and it must continue to work that way but considering that:  	 $ dir []. 
 $ dir [].;   does NOT default to   
 $ dir []*.*;*  but to $ dir []*.<blank>;*   ? the blank-file-name=* substition seems like a very weird design < decision, especially since files with blank names can exist.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 14:50:43 -0700# From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename C Message-ID: <1121291443.836395.165080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Walter Kuhn wrote:	 > $ CRE . 	 > <ctrl>z  > $ 	 > $ dir .  >  > Directory $3$DKB100:[KUHN] >  > .;1    0/0    13-JUL-2005  >    I took it to mean:  
 $ cre .ext ^Z $  $ dir . ! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 15:10:34 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename C Message-ID: <1121292634.059135.148710@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > Rudolf Wingert wrote: 
 > > Hello, > > D > > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMSJ > > 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will seeI > > all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you delete @ > > files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in7 > > filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature?  > > # > > TIA and best regards R. Wingert  >  >  > # >    $ DIRECTORY /EXCLUDE=%* [*...]  >  >  > ' > The wildcards can be in either order.       I meant the %* could also be *%.  # Please clarify your delete problem.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 17:07:09 -0700# From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename C Message-ID: <1121299629.702822.128280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    WhoDat? wrote:! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: f > > In article <3jkos1Fqm4ciU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: > > > Rudolf Wingert wrote: G > > >> I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMS M > > >> 7.3[-1]. With DIR it is impossible. If I use $DIR [*...].*, I will see L > > >> all files of the disk. Also is there a strange behavior if you deleteC > > >> files (e.g. $DEL hugo.*;*) and there is no filetyp (error in : > > >> filenamespecification). Is this a bug or a feature? > 	 > <snips>  > > > 1 > > > $ create .x ! No filename, but an extension  > > >  Exit 3 > > > $ create x. ! no extension but has a filename  > > >  Exit M > > > $ dir .* ! Should only show .X (IMHO, but someone will tell me that MHO % > > > is wrong), but shows both files  > > J > > RMS has no way to distinguish between a blank file name and an omittedO > > file name.  Since DIR uses a default file specification of SYS$DISK:[]*.*;* N > > a missing file name is replaced with the wild card taken from the default. > > J > > A blank file name (which is what you want) would override the default.* > > But there's no syntax to specify that. > F > Yes, that's the way it's always worked, and it must continue to work  > that way but considering that: >  > $ dir [].  > $ dir [].; >  > does NOT default to  >  > $ dir []*.*;*  > but to > $ dir []*.<blank>;*   / Sorry, accidently left out the following lines:    $ dir []*.<blank>;0 E and the ;0 which though logical,doesn't follow the blank=* substition  rule.    > A > the blank-file-name=* substition seems like a very weird design > > decision, especially since files with blank names can exist.   [End of etiquette breach]    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 17:14:29 -0700# From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename C Message-ID: <1121300069.198474.183790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Rudolf Wingert wrote: D > > I would like to see all files without an filename within OpenVMS > K > If you are talking about files that exist in the file system, but have no V > directory entries, as opposed to files that exist but have a weird empty name, then: >  > ANA/DISK/REPAIR  disk: > G > will find all those stray nameless files and put them in the [SYSERR] % > directory at the root of your disk.    JF,   G That a file named <blank>.ext can legitimatly exist but cannot be found B by $dir (other but negation) is what I think he was talking about.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:43:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename , Message-ID: <42D5B525.33FF0646@teksavvy.com>   WhoDat? wrote:I > That a file named <blank>.ext can legitimatly exist but cannot be found D > by $dir (other but negation) is what I think he was talking about.    K Another trick you can try in some circumstances if to define a logical name G with the funny file name, and then do a directory on that logical name.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:09:32 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: TCPIP5.4 upgrade?( Message-ID: <opstvbl6e1zgicya@hyrrokkin>   Have following  6 1  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V5.10     on a VAXstation 4000-90 running OpenVMS V7.3  ? 2 Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3 ?     on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation P running OpenVMS V7.3   9 3  DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 A     on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation P running OpenVMS V7.3-1   4 4  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4F     on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2   Is 5.4 available for VAX?   ; can I use 4 to upgrad 2 & 3, or do I need to go back to CD?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:04:30 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 upgrade?2 Message-ID: <ylfBe.8472$Nw1.1008@news.cpqcorp.net>  N In article <opstvbl6e1zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: :Is 5.4 available for VAX?  C   Newest TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX is V5.3, plus current ECO.   < :can I use 4 to upgrad 2 & 3, or do I need to go back to CD?  D   You can use V5.4 to directly upgrade from V4.2 and from V5.1, yes.7   For V4, there are database file conversions involved.   C   You can review the installation documentation for details on the  D   product update, of course -- that goes into a whole lot of detail,5   including disk backups, example installations, etc.   B   I would seriously look at getting all of your OpenVMS Alpha V7.*C   versions at least as far forward as V7.3-2, if not to the current C   OpenVMS Alpha release.  V7.3-2 is the "landing zone" release for  B   PVS support for the OpenVMS Alpha V7.* releases -- see the "PVS"A   links in the FAQ for current details and status and plans, etc.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:16:24 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 upgrade?( Message-ID: <opstvvdmfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:04:30 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:  J > In article <opstvbl6e1zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  	 > writes:  > :Is 5.4 available for VAX? > E >   Newest TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX is V5.3, plus current ECO. A OK, is there an SSH2 server available for VAX? Is 5.4 on Roadmap?  > > > :can I use 4 to upgrad 2 & 3, or do I need to go back to CD? > F >   You can use V5.4 to directly upgrade from V4.2 and from V5.1, yes.9 >   For V4, there are database file conversions involved.   H Actually I am mainly interested in having SSH2 available, and I really   don't 3 care which version of TCPIP I am running otherwise.  > D >   You can review the installation documentation for details on theF >   product update, of course -- that goes into a whole lot of detail,7 >   including disk backups, example installations, etc.  > D >   I would seriously look at getting all of your OpenVMS Alpha V7.*E >   versions at least as far forward as V7.3-2, if not to the current D >   OpenVMS Alpha release.  V7.3-2 is the "landing zone" release forD >   PVS support for the OpenVMS Alpha V7.* releases -- see the "PVS"C >   links in the FAQ for current details and status and plans, etc.  > E I like to keep (maybe unnecessarily) versions that our PL/I customers D are running for support purposes, sio we can also b00t 6.2 and 5.5-2 for testing purposes.  > 4 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>   > ----------------------------- 5 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --    > www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq 6 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion   > --------------------------- G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:21:52 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD = Message-ID: <42d577e3$0$78285$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>   ? "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message  , news:sLaBe.8429$xi1.1523@news.cpqcorp.net... > Michael Unger wrote:- >> On 2005-07-12 21:04, "Keith Parris" wrote: J >>>[...] It gets much easier to keep power consumption down as you shrink E >>>chips into smaller process technologies like 65 nanometers and 45   >>>nanometers. > K > Here I was thinking of the reduced capacitance as the feature size grows  
 > smaller. > D >> Narrow structures tend to increase the leakage currents which are! >> independent of the clock rate.  > L > True. Intel used strained-silicon technology to reduce leakage current by L > a factor of 5 for the 90 nm process, and again by an additional factor of L > 4 for the 65 nm process. Intel is also doing some interesting work in the ? > areas of high-K dielectrics and 3-dimensional transistors --  B > see http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/power/transistor.htm > G >> (BTW: Didn't HP claim IBM wouldn't be capable of manufacturing Alpha C >> EV79, i.e. just a "design shrink", for these very same reasons?)  > F > HP worked very hard for a year trying to get a successful EV79, and M > finally had to throw in the towel. Going to a fabless semiconductor design  M > model allows you to share the costs of a fab with other fabless customers,  J > which cuts costs, but it also has significant disadvantages in terms of K > the degree to which design and process engineers can cooperate, and that  L > can adversely affect time-to-market (and, as in this case, can reduce the 4 > chances of timely success in product development). > M > Intel has top-to-bottom integration, owns their own fabs, and thus doesn't    > suffer the same disadvantages.   What - Ye Gods !!!  M You mean Sideshow Bob, I mean GQ Bob, was being less than forthright when he  K claimed that the fabless model was unending joy and the most effective way  " to produce Alphas etc. etc. etc. ?  $ I am appalled - why wern't we told ? Were we in fact misled ? Should heads roll ?   , Scratch that last one - clearly too late :-)  
 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:52:31 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD 6 Message-ID: <8660a3a105071313525af9d5d@mail.gmail.com>  > On 7/13/05, Dr. Dweeb <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote: >=20@ > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message. > news:sLaBe.8429$xi1.1523@news.cpqcorp.net... > > Michael Unger wrote:/ > >> On 2005-07-12 21:04, "Keith Parris" wrote: K > >>>[...] It gets much easier to keep power consumption down as you shrink F > >>>chips into smaller process technologies like 65 nanometers and 45 > >>>nanometers. > > L > > Here I was thinking of the reduced capacitance as the feature size grow= s  > > smaller. > > F > >> Narrow structures tend to increase the leakage currents which are# > >> independent of the clock rate.  > > L > > True. Intel used strained-silicon technology to reduce leakage current = byL > > a factor of 5 for the 90 nm process, and again by an additional factor = ofL > > 4 for the 65 nm process. Intel is also doing some interesting work in t= he@ > > areas of high-K dielectrics and 3-dimensional transistors --D > > see http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/power/transistor.htm > > I > >> (BTW: Didn't HP claim IBM wouldn't be capable of manufacturing Alpha E > >> EV79, i.e. just a "design shrink", for these very same reasons?)  > > G > > HP worked very hard for a year trying to get a successful EV79, and L > > finally had to throw in the towel. Going to a fabless semiconductor des= ign L > > model allows you to share the costs of a fab with other fabless custome= rs, K > > which cuts costs, but it also has significant disadvantages in terms of L > > the degree to which design and process engineers can cooperate, and tha= t L > > can adversely affect time-to-market (and, as in this case, can reduce t= he6 > > chances of timely success in product development). > > L > > Intel has top-to-bottom integration, owns their own fabs, and thus does= n't " > > suffer the same disadvantages. >=20 > What - Ye Gods !!! >=20L > You mean Sideshow Bob, I mean GQ Bob, was being less than forthright when=  he L > claimed that the fabless model was unending joy and the most effective wa= y $ > to produce Alphas etc. etc. etc. ? >=20& > I am appalled - why wern't we told ? > Were we in fact misled ? > Should heads roll ?  >=20. > Scratch that last one - clearly too late :-) >=20 > Dr. Dweeb  >=20 >=20 >=20  H Don't forget that famous statement about "Alpha on NT being the future."   WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:50:59 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD 4 Message-ID: <42d5a9eb$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:@ > In article <YqUAe.8365$vD.6428@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris( > <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes: >> Tom Linden wrote:- >>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24500 * >>> Top Intel architect flees coop for AMD >>2 >> It's not unusual for folks to change companies. > F > No it's not.  However, at issue is whether or not they will get sued
 > by theirG > scum-bucket fuckwit code thieving histrionic schmuck bastards without 	 > a heart C > or a soul former employer and be made to miss their own borther's 
 > funeral for D > sake of returning the equivalent of an EDT keypad reference chart!     Hmmm. Is there a story there?       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT ) From: jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net>  Subject: Re: Upgrading VMS8 Message-ID: <hlsad15ph1bcckrn14jrpvd6ddnc09g8vg@4ax.com>  4 On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:03:55 -0500, David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   >Evan wrote: >>   >> David D Miller wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > G'day:  >> >N >> > How do you make a decision to upgrade?  Is your decision ruled by Policy?L >> > By convenience (nothing else to do today)?  Or do you have an objective >> > criteria that you apply?  >> >O >> > Specifically, is 7.3 good enough (in some sense) or is 7.3-2 a better bet?  >> >O >> > I suppose the same question could be applied to patches -- but then again, & >> > maybe you apply the same process. >> > >> > Thanks, dave. >> > >>  : >> No one has mentioned the Sarbanes-Oxley type influence. > G >Not sure what Sarb/Ox would have to do with OpenVMS or any other o.s., < >since most of the work is done in the application "layers". >   A Actually, in relation to an upgrade process, SOX compliance could 6 possibly be involved.  Depends on what the systems do.  E An executive has to sign their verification that approprite processes E are in place that protect the stock holders through protection of the < company's financial status.  An upgrade which causes loss orE corruption of such information, or even loss of "availability" of the = systems to process business (which would, in turn, hurt stock , holders), might cause SOX-compliance issues.  C I am not a lawyer, so don't take any of this as legal advice.  Just D realize that COSO and COBIT have lots of reach into IT activities toA provide SOX compliance.  ITIL/ITSM implementations are being used ' increasingly to adhere to COSO & COBIT.    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.5 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2005 16:08:31 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: Re: [OT] Low-power definition, was: Re: Top Intel architect flees coop 3 Message-ID: <UmswZ7KL7fcF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <L06xz3TV4pSP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > L > I am interested in knowing what kind of embedded systems require this kindI > of computing power. (Assuming of course that you are allowed to be more  > specific.)  J    IIRC Mars Laser Altimiter is the current example.  Lunar ReconnaissanceD    Orbiter might be next, but they're not really far enough along in    design to be sure.   H    And I had Pioneer 1 in mind for the 7 Watt example, although I didn't
    verify it.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.389 ************************