1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 15 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 392       Contents: Re: DECnet over DSSI& DECnet over DSSI - summary (it works!) Re: device driver book& FW: Show all files with empty filename0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX)D Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks" Re: openVMS boot problem-success!! RENAME/QUEUE ? Re: RENAME/QUEUE ?& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename& Re: Show all files with empty filename+ VMS process priorities and system processes   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 05:17:11 -0700# From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de>  Subject: Re: DECnet over DSSI C Message-ID: <1121429831.420762.274140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Yesterday eveing it was not possible to operate the DSSI cluster owingA to the outside temperature: my "computer room" is too hot. With a F couple of systems up and running the temperatuer rises quickly over 35 Celsius and that damages disks. E It gave me the opportunity to reread Olaf's mail again. Observations: " 1 CNDRIVER loads without a problem3 2 The DECnet line CI-0 is up and displays no errors + 3 The circuit is up, substate synchronizing C It seems that DSSI behaves quite similar to a CI bus. The tributary E addresses may possibly need to match the DSSI node numbers, which are  definitely not 0 and 1. 8 If the weather permits I'll run a new test this evening.   Thanks for all the suggestions,    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:08:12 +0200 & From: "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com>/ Subject: DECnet over DSSI - summary (it works!) ; Message-ID: <a4e50$42d7dfca$513b9a2c$8832@news.versatel.nl>   D DECnet over DSSI works. Thank you Olaf and other posters who offeredI comments on the similarity between the CI and DSSI buses. As it turns out F you need to know that DSSI and CI address nodes on what is basically aI multidrop bus. So the node address is essential. DSSI follows SCSI in the I sense that systems generally have high node numbers, 6 or 7. In this case   the address list was as follows:  <  device                name           DSSI    SCSI    DECnet7  VAX 4105A      CERIUM       6          6          1.18 5  VAX 4105A      CHROOM     7          7          1.20 A  RF31                  DISK0           0         n/a          n/a A  RF31                  DISK1           1         n/a          n/a   L The correct procedure to run DECnet over DSSI is as follows for node CERIUM:  " $ mc sysgen connect cna0/noadapter $ license load dvnetrtg 4 $ mc ncp set exec state off  ! if DECnet was running $ mc ncp def line ci-0 state on - $ mc ncp def circ ci-0.6 tributary 7 state on  $ @startnet   I At this point (CHROOM not yet set up) the circuit CI-0.6 state is on, its  substate is synchronizing.2 For the other node, CHROOM, the correct steps are:  " $ mc sysgen connect cna0/noadapter $ license load dvnetrtg  $ mc ncp set exec state off  $ mc ncp def line ci-0 state on - $ mc ncp def circ ci-0.7 tributary 6 state on  $ @startnet   K The ethernet circuit on  node CHROOM  was defined STATE OFF. $ SHOW NET/OLD  on CERIUM resulted in:   $ sh net/oldA OpenVMS Network status for local node  1.18 CERIUM on 15-JUL-2005  18:06:32.21     G               Node                 Links  Cost  Hops   Next Hop to Node   I           1.9     OSMIUM        1       4      1        ISA-0     ->  1.9  OSMIUMG           1.20   CHROOM       1     10      1        CI-0.6    ->  1.20  CHROOM  !                 Total of 2 nodes.  $   E Where OSMIUM is a Digital Server 5305 that runs DECnet over ethernet.    Thank you all for your help.  
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:53:16 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: device driver book 0 Message-ID: <pMCdnf_JgNxxRkrfRVn-sQ@comcast.com>   Rob Brooks wrote:   / >David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:  >    >  >>Once upon a timeN >>                                                                            N >> Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C, Developer's Guide and          N >> Reference Manual (Paperback)                                               N >>                                                                            5 >>was available but apparently it's out of print now.  >>L >>Does it still apply to current versions of VMS?  I found it on Amazon (not6 >>cheap and short supply) and wonder about it's value. >>     >> > J >Was that book ever available for sale?  It was distributed as part of the* >documentation set for OpenVMS Alpha V7.0. > M >If you are unfamiliar with driver-writing in general, it is a great starting N >point.  As the book attempts to explain some otherwise-undocumented routines,L >it is likely that a few things have changed in the near-decade since it was	 >written.  >  >    > H It must have been available for sale.  I bought one years ago.   It was E published by Digital Press (An imprint of Butterworth-Heinemann).  I  / think I ordered it directly from Digital Press.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:50:12 +1000 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>/ Subject: FW: Show all files with empty filename X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE66@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5891A.36B495E3 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    >AEF wrote: H >> What I find slightly disconcerting is inconsistencies across commands >>=20  >>    DIR A.B;, B.C  > E >I seem to remember that DIRECTORY shows the file with the highest=20 2 >version number, if not specified, or wildcarded.> >  >like ! >    DIR A.B shows the newest A.B   L No, that shows all versions of A.B.  To show only the latest version, you n= eed=20
 $ dir a.b;  # >    DIR A.B;1 shows only version 1   L Yes.  And if you have many versions, $ dir a.b;-0 will show you only the ea= rliest versions.  ! >    DIR A.B;* shows all versions  > $ Yes, but so does your first example. >--  >Alex    Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5891A.36B495E3 - Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> K <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0"> 5 <TITLE>FW: Show all files with empty filename</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->   $ <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;AEF wrote:<BR>L &gt;&gt; What I find slightly disconcerting is inconsistencies across comma= nds<BR>  &gt;&gt;<BR>, &gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIR A.B;, B.C<BR> &gt;<BR>I &gt;I seem to remember that DIRECTORY shows the file with the highest<BR> < &gt;version number, if not specified, or wildcarded.&gt;<BR> &gt;<BR> &gt;like<BR>7 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIR A.B shows the newest A.B<BR>  <BR>L No, that shows all versions of A.B.&nbsp; To show only the latest version, = you need<BR> $ dir a.b;<BR> <BR>9 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIR A.B;1 shows only version 1<BR>  <BR>L Yes.&nbsp; And if you have many versions, $ dir a.b;-0 will show you only t= he earliest versions.<BR>  <BR>7 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIR A.B;* shows all versions<BR>  &gt;<BR>( Yes, but so does your first example.<BR>
 &gt;--<BR> &gt;Alex<BR> <BR> Regards, Paddy</FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5891A.36B495E3--    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:12:02 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) 2 Message-ID: <mfRBe.8635$xH2.5732@news.cpqcorp.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: K > Can you post the correction for those who have the code and don't want to 4 > have to download all of it all over again, please.  E Here is a list from $DIFFERENCES. The V6 Freeware version is the top  D version; the fixed version is at the bottom of each difference area. ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1G    737   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1 !Next  	 queue --> 5    738   $! Must be the header for jobs in this queue  ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2D    733   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> A    734   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2,"  ; ",record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> 5    735   $! Must be the header for jobs in this queue  ************ ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1C    782   $ 'if_v55 job_entry = f$edit(f$extract(1,6,record),"TRIM") L    783   $ 'if_v55 if f$type(job_entry) .nes. "INTEGER" then goto SHOW_ERROR ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2C    779   $ 'if_v55 job_entry = f$edit(f$extract(0,7,record),"TRIM") L    780   $ 'if_v55 if f$type(job_entry) .nes. "INTEGER" then goto SHOW_ERROR ************ ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1E    976   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there   should be a  ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2
    973   $    974   $! icitte    975   $!     976   $! E    977   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there   should be a  ************ ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1H   1005   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next 	 queue --> C   1006   $ goto Q_LOOP_2  !Go handle the next job in same queue -->  ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2D   1006   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> A   1007   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2,"  ; ",record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> C   1008   $ goto Q_LOOP_2  !Go handle the next job in same queue -->  ************ ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1H   1024   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next 	 queue --> 5   1025   $ goto Q_LOOP_2 !Found start of next job -->  ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2D   1026   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> A   1027   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2,"  ; ",record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> 5   1028   $ goto Q_LOOP_2 !Found start of next job -->  ************ ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1-   1052   $ if .not. rerun then delete/nolog - *   1053       FIXQUE_QUEUE_GENERIC.TEMP;*,- ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;24   1055   $ if .not. rerun then delete/noconf/nolog -*   1056       FIXQUE_QUEUE_GENERIC.TEMP;*,- ************ ************. File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1H   1136   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next 	 queue -->    1137   $ SE_SKIP_LOOP: ******$ File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2D   1139   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> A   1140   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2,"  ; ",record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue -->    1141   $ SE_SKIP_LOOP: ************  & Number of difference sections found: 8& Number of difference records found: 19  @ DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1/OUTPUT=USRD:[PARRIS]TEMP.EDT;17-/      USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1- $      USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:33:40 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) Q Message-ID: <OF5DF6BBEF.299B8684-ON8525703F.005FFDE9-8525703F.0060AC1D@metso.com>    Keith,   Thanks for the updates. & Would you please explain this section:  0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1F >    976   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there should be a  > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2 >    973   $ >    974   $! icitte
 >    975   $! 
 >    976   $! F >    977   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there should be a    Why a bare $ line? What is "icitte"? # What does this set of comments add?   4 Oh, and for readability, I prefer that, for example:  B >   1007   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2,"; ",record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue -->   
 Be changed to 1 >  $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. - K         f$elem(2," ", record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue  -->  -Norm   H Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote on 07/15/2005 12:12:02 PM:    > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: J > > Can you post the correction for those who have the code and don't want to6 > > have to download all of it all over again, please. > F > Here is a list from $DIFFERENCES. The V6 Freeware version is the topF > version; the fixed version is at the bottom of each difference area. > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1D >    737   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1 ! > Next queue -->7 >    738   $! Must be the header for jobs in this queue  > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2E >    733   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  > !Next queue --> E >    734   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2," ", : > record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1 !Next queue -->7 >    735   $! Must be the header for jobs in this queue  > ************ > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1E >    782   $ 'if_v55 job_entry = f$edit(f$extract(1,6,record),"TRIM") C >    783   $ 'if_v55 if f$type(job_entry) .nes. "INTEGER" then goto 
 SHOW_ERROR > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2E >    779   $ 'if_v55 job_entry = f$edit(f$extract(0,7,record),"TRIM") C >    780   $ 'if_v55 if f$type(job_entry) .nes. "INTEGER" then goto 
 SHOW_ERROR > ************ > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1F >    976   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there
 > should be a  > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2 >    973   $ >    974   $! icitte
 >    975   $! 
 >    976   $! F >    977   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there
 > should be a  > ************ > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1E >   1005   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !  > Next queue -->E >   1006   $ goto Q_LOOP_2  !Go handle the next job in same queue -->  > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2E >   1006   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  > !Next queue --> E >   1007   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2," ", ; > record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> E >   1008   $ goto Q_LOOP_2  !Go handle the next job in same queue -->  > ************ > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1E >   1024   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !  > Next queue -->7 >   1025   $ goto Q_LOOP_2 !Found start of next job -->  > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2E >   1026   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  > !Next queue --> E >   1027   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2," ", ; > record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue --> 7 >   1028   $ goto Q_LOOP_2 !Found start of next job -->  > ************ > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1/ >   1052   $ if .not. rerun then delete/nolog - , >   1053       FIXQUE_QUEUE_GENERIC.TEMP;*,- > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;26 >   1055   $ if .not. rerun then delete/noconf/nolog -, >   1056       FIXQUE_QUEUE_GENERIC.TEMP;*,- > ************ > ************0 > File USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1E >   1136   $ if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  !  > Next queue --> >   1137   $ SE_SKIP_LOOP: > ******& > File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2E >   1139   $!!! if f$extract(0,1,record) .nes. " " then goto Q_LOOP_1  > !Next queue --> E >   1140   $ if f$elem(1," ",record) .eqs. "queue" .or. f$elem(2," ", ; > record) .eqs. "queue" then goto Q_LOOP_1  !Next queue -->  >   1141   $ SE_SKIP_LOOP: > ************ > ( > Number of difference sections found: 8( > Number of difference records found: 19 > B > DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1/OUTPUT=USRD:[PARRIS]TEMP.EDT;17-1 >      USRD:[PARRIS.KP_CLUSTERTOOLS]FIXQUE.COM;1- & >      USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:27:21 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> ! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) 2 Message-ID: <dJPBe.8619$Nv2.6133@news.cpqcorp.net>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:( > Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote: > B >>Just curious, but what kind of success has MONO had running .NetH >>applications on UNIX? How easy is to actually develop in .Net and thenA >>move application to UNIX for production? What about performance  >>concerns?  >   M > We're running one critical app on Linux under Mono rather than Windows 2003 L > because we needed a more reliable platform.  It was developed using VisualG > Studio, and since being moved to Linux it has been far more reliabe..   H As I posted earlier, when I made a pass at porting it back when I had a F little more spare time, the place that stopped me is that I could not G find the templates to create the "config.h" and to a lesser extent the  & makefile on OpenVMS for building Mono.  A Running it on GNV failed because the UNIX/LINUX product known as  I "PKGTOOLS" does not have scripts for VMS, and at the time I was not able  I to pursue fixing that, and I could not find a way to fake it out so that  8   the configure process would generate something useful.  G So if someone has fixes for PKGTOOLS under GNV, it will put MONO and a  5 few other things a bit closer to building on OpenVMS.   I And other than getting the build procedure worked out, there really does  I not look like there is anything in Mono that would prevent it from being  " ported at least to 64 bit OpenVMS.  B So what my question is, would having Mono on OpenVMS bring in any H significant new business to justify HP paying someone to get it working?   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:20:17 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) / Message-ID: <42D7AA01.10328.41FBB3C0@localhost>   - On 15 Jul 2005 at 14:27, John Malmberg wrote: H > So if someone has fixes for PKGTOOLS under GNV, it will put MONO and a7 > few other things a bit closer to building on OpenVMS.   = For some packages, I've built them under Linux, captured the  = resutling configuration files, and bashed them to GNV-useful.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:52:28 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>M Subject: Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks = Message-ID: <0fOdnQNgq68gRkrfRVn-sg@metrocastcablevision.com>   
 Lurker wrote: 1 > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message ? > news:1121180028.095729.222790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >  > D >>Now just how accurate is this fuel consumption meter? I doubt it'sE >>accurate enough for this purpose. It could be as simple as a vacuum  >>gauge. >>" >>Do a real test, and do it right. >>H >>Additionally, this is just some random individual's post to a bulletin >>board. His name is Tony. >  >  > OK, here is another one: > 2 > http://www.atsb.gov.au/road/res-exec/cr216ex.cfm >  > That seems official enough.   H By George, you've actually dug up something at least indirectly useful, F even though you clearly didn't manage to understand it.  And from the G above statement you even seem inclined to accept what it says as being  I reasonably authoritative (though when what it says is actually explained  G to you I suspect you might be tempted to back away rather swiftly from   that position).    ...   B > Note that optimum speed for Cars and LCVs is quoted at 125 km/h.  < For a definition of 'optimum' that includes a slew of other D considerations besides gas mileage and hence has approximately zero ( applicability to the current discussion.   >  > E >>Now let's say you are running low on gas and you decide you need to I >>head straight for a gas station? Are you going to drive at 65 or 85? Or 	 >>slower?  >  > N > So I guess I would drive at 125 except that it is illegal here so I would be > stuck at a 100.   I Which would (despite your ignorant inclination to travel faster were you  G allowed to do so) give you a better chance of reaching the station, of  H course:  the model used in the study you cited significantly values the I time saved by traveling at a faster speed - without any consideration of  I the possibility that so doing might cause you to run out of gas and then  C spend considerably more time hoofing it for the remaining distance.   H However, the study cites as one of its direct sources (hence presumably G comparably credible to you) some Austroads analysis that actually does  B break down costs to the level of gas mileage at varying speeds on F highways, and if you take a look at pages 15 and 16 (25 and 26 by pdf G reader count) of the AP-R241.pdf 2002 paper available on the Austroads  C Web site you'll find the following model for highway (steady-state  C travel at over 60 kph) gas-consumption costs (in cents - one might  8 assume Australian - per km vs. the road speed V in kph):  , new cars:       7.02 - 0.044V + 0.00058(V^2), used cars:      7.17 - 0.045V + 0.00063(V^2), business cars:  7.15 - 0.046V + 0.00067(V^2)  F If I remember correctly how to calculate curve minima, these formulas G produce maximum gas mileage (i.e., minimum cost per km) figures in the  G 34 to 38 kph range - well below the range to which the model claims to  G apply.  But for the range to which it *does* claim to apply it defines  H the most gas-efficient highway speed as being at the very start of that I range:  60 kph (about 37.26 mph), where the gas costs are (respectively)  ' about 6.47, 6.74, and 6.8 cents per km.   I At 100 kph (62 mph) costs are (again, respectively) 8.42, 8.97, and 9.25  H cents per km - i.e., gas consumption has gone up 30% - 36% over what it F was at 60 kph.  At 120 kph (just under 75 mph) they are 10.09, 10.84, H and 11.28 cents per km - up yet another 20% over consumption at 62 mph. H   Those without a good intuitive grasp of figures can work out what the I costs (and related gas consumption) are at other speeds if they're still  F skeptical about what I've been asserting in previous posts and not so F intellectually lazy and/or dishonest that they'd prefer to stick with G their prejudices rather than become at least marginally informed about  2 something they seem inclined to pontificate about.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:11:11 +0200  From: Emil <emilwpSP@AMo2.pl> + Subject: Re: openVMS boot problem-success!! + Message-ID: <db7nhc$bi8$1@achot.icm.edu.pl>   ! David J Dachtera napisa=C5=82(a):  >=20! > I think "Z" is right on target: * > At the console prompt, try this command: >=20 >>>>show console >=20F > If the response is "graphics", and you are using a terminal on COM1, > then issue these commands: >=20 >>>>set console serial >>>>init >=20 >=20 > .... and try booting again.  >=20D > If the response to "show console" is "serial", and you are using aG > keyboard and monitor conected directly to the Alpha, then issue these  > commands:  >=20 >=20 >>>>set console graphics >>>>init >=20 >=20 > .... and try booting again.  >=20J > If the motherboard battery has failed, these settings might not "stick"=  ! > if you power-cycle the machine.  >=20E > Hope this helps. Did this to myself a while back, once at work, and J > again within a couple days trying startup my "Jensen". VMS was promptin= g J > for the date/time on the source I *WASN'T* looking at! So, naturally, I=  . > saw what you saw, and I thought it was hung. >=20  J thank you guys! this was the case. my console was "serial". and VMS was=203 prompting for date/time, so i guess battery is low. ? like we say here in Poland: a stone has fallen from my heart :)    thanks a lot   Emil   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 18:15:59 +01006 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: RENAME/QUEUE ? , Message-ID: <42d7fd5f$1@news.langstoeger.at>  9 Am I the only one who still miss a RENAME/QUEUE command ?   @ Is it really such a big problem to create such a functionality ?% (or is $SNDJBC a don't touch area ;-)   H A Create[/Merge]/Delete Queue is surely not that much fun if you need to? rename more than a couple of queues (all with ACLs and such)...   
 Any hope ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? ) Message-ID: <db8qul$56q$1@news.BelWue.DE>   e In article <42d7fd5f$1@news.langstoeger.at>, eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: : >Am I the only one who still miss a RENAME/QUEUE command ? > A >Is it really such a big problem to create such a functionality ? & >(or is $SNDJBC a don't touch area ;-) > I >A Create[/Merge]/Delete Queue is surely not that much fun if you need to @ >rename more than a couple of queues (all with ACLs and such)... >  >Any hope ?   M We have a file "SAVE_QUEUE_DEFINITIONS.COM" from somewhere I don't recall. It I produces an output command file to recreate all the queues. You could use M it to rename your queues via a global replace in an editor. It shouldn't even O be a big deal to modify it into something like "RENAME_QUEUE.COM" . Let me know  if you want a copy.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:06:18 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <000d01c58903$50e24340$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,   WhoDat? Wrote:  H > I imagine the people who put this together believed that a file with a blank name  F > was probably going to be pretty rare, and that's been my experience.  B Sometimes user will make a failure. So the produce files without aF filename. I would like to eliminate this files. I thought, the easiestF way is to use the DIRECTORY command ($DIR/noHEAD/noTRAIL ...). In case% of this the /ECLU=%* is the solution. G An other aspect ist, that the dot means blank filetyp and semicolon the H latest version (not a blank version, which is impossible). Also [] means5 not a blank directory, it means the actual directory.    Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:32:24 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 7 Message-ID: <42d76688$0$58407$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl>   
 AEF wrote:G > What I find slightly disconcerting is inconsistencies across commands % > for "sticky defaults". For example,  >  >    DIR A.B;, B.C  B I seem to remember that DIRECTORY shows the file with the highest 0 version number, if not specified, or wildcarded.   like      DIR A.B shows the newest A.B"     DIR A.B;1 shows only version 1      DIR A.B;* shows all versions   -- Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:44:26 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>/ Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename B Message-ID: <42d7938c$0$16197$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, >  > WhoDat? Wrote: >  > H >>I imagine the people who put this together believed that a file with a > 
 > blank name   > F >>was probably going to be pretty rare, and that's been my experience. >  > D > Sometimes user will make a failure. So the produce files without aH > filename. I would like to eliminate this files. I thought, the easiestH > way is to use the DIRECTORY command ($DIR/noHEAD/noTRAIL ...). In case' > of this the /ECLU=%* is the solution. I > An other aspect ist, that the dot means blank filetyp and semicolon the J > latest version (not a blank version, which is impossible). Also [] means7 > not a blank directory, it means the actual directory.  >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >   
 Hi Rudolf,  G please note that the DELETE command is more concise than the DIRECTORY  A command. It not only requires a precise version specification or  B wildcard, DELETE also doesn't make assumptions about the filename  without an explicit wildcard...    $ dir   7 Directory EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.CAYEMBERG_K.TEST]   J .;1                 .EXT;1              FILENAME.;1         FILENAME.EXT;1   Total of 4 files.  $ dir .   7 Directory EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.CAYEMBERG_K.TEST]    .;1                 FILENAME.;1    Total of 2 files.  $ del .; $ dir   7 Directory EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.CAYEMBERG_K.TEST]   6 .EXT;1              FILENAME.;1         FILENAME.EXT;1   Total of 3 files.  $   C There are also other methods (than first using DIR /EXCL=%*) to be  ) certain of which files will be deleted...   =     - adding the /CONFIRM  qualifier to the DELETE command to 2       be prompted for the disposition of each file  B     - using RENAME to first move the the files to be deleted to an@       empty directory on the same disk device. Then checking the?       files which have been collected for with DIR, and finally <       deleting all the files in the temporary directory when=       you are sure they are no longer needed. This method can A       be partially automated by replacing the DELETE command with A       a procedure which only renames to a predetermined directory :       for each device. The actual delete is then performed?       periodically using another procedure manually. I believe, 9       extended examples of this logical equivalent to the ;       "Wastebasket" function, could be found in various DCL ,       procedure collections on the internet.       - first checking with the                DIR/DATE=MODIFIED   =       for when the latest modification of each file was made,        and comparing with  /              DIR/DATE=BACKUP/LOG=logdir:dir.log   >       showing when the latest backup was made for all files in7       the directory(ies) where files are to be deleted. >       Then deleting only files which have been backed up since"       they were last modified with  @              DELETE/MODIFIED/LOG=logdir:delete.log/BEFORE=<date>  B       This could also be partially automated in procedure(s) using=       a temporary directory and a two step process due to the @       incompatibility of the /MODIFIED and /BACKUP qualifiers inB       the DELETE command. This method should insure that all files@       you delete are logged by deletion and then later locatable$       and retrievable from a backup.    = TIP: you can precede a DCL command with the & sign to prevent < a foreign symbol substitution that might change the intended delete command behavior    Example:   $ dir   7 Directory EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.CAYEMBERG_K.TEST]   J .;1                 .EXT;1              FILENAME.;1         FILENAME.EXT;1   Total of 4 files.  $ del*ete :== DELETE/CONFIRM
 $ &del *.ext;  $ del*ete :== DELETE/NOCONFIRM $ &del/CONFIRM .; @ DELETE EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.CAYEMBERG_K.TEST].;1 ? [N]: Y $      Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 07:32:28 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <GdqRair+TpWt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1121377690.579343.107750@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> writes:  > - > This is the clearest explanation I've seen.   
    Thanks.  H > I imagine the people who put this together believed that a file with aE > blank name was probably going to be pretty rare, and that's been my 
 > experience.   D    It was until the popularity of UNIX utilities that assume they'reE    hidden files.  Note that it's not the OS that makes them hidden on 1    UNIX, but the convention of utilities like ls.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 07:41:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <X4EIfQQrBod6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <000d01c58903$50e24340$994614ac@wat153>, "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:   > Also [] means 7 > not a blank directory, it means the actual directory.   H    After a moment's thought, I don't think there's any syntax that meansH    .DIR;1 when used as a specific directory name.  A quick summary, some-    of which I've tested via create/directory:   $       [] means the current directory@       [.a] doesn't mean a.DIR;1 in .DIR;1, it means a.DIR; in []8       [..b] doesn't mean b.DIR;1 in .DIR;1, it's invalid  +    Note that UNIX has the same limitiation:        / means the root       // still means the root        a/ is the same as a         a// is still the same as a       a//b is the same as a/b   E    As well as MacOS, and Windows.  So I guess there isn't much use of C    unnamed directories, they're hard to get at if you do make them.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 07:42:23 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Show all files with empty filename 3 Message-ID: <3gNyNqJYmYjO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <42d76688$0$58407$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl>, Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> writes:  > D > I seem to remember that DIRECTORY shows the file with the highest 2 > version number, if not specified, or wildcarded. >  > like" >     DIR A.B shows the newest A.B$ >     DIR A.B;1 shows only version 1" >     DIR A.B;* shows all versions  %    Your remembery is broken.  Try it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:55:00 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>4 Subject: VMS process priorities and system processes, Message-ID: <cm48bd.u59.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Hi,   N I'm looking for a way to give some application and server processes different  priorities:    highest:  some server processes % high   :  some other server processes & medium :  some communication processes low    :  some other processes lowest :  client processes  L This would result in a process priority "window" of 5 different priorities. Q These priorities should all be higher than normal (interactive) user priorities,  G which are by default 4. Batch priorities are still lower (from 1 to 3).   O What I'm concerned about: if I would use priorities 5-9 (or higher), then some  M processes would have higher priorities than some system processes, as can be  6 seen here (from a running OpenVMS Itanium 8.2 system):  6 process name          state   username  pri/bpri imageB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 OPCOM                   HIB   SYSTEM      8/ 6   OPCOM7 ERRFMT                  HIB   SYSTEM      8/ 7   ERRFMT = AUDIT_SERVER            HIB   AUDIT$SERV 10/ 8   AUDIT_SERVER > TCPIP$INETACP           HIB   INTERNET   10/ 8   TCPIP$INETACP7 IPCACP                  HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   IPCACP 7 TP_SERVER               HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   TPSERV B QUEUE_MANAGER           HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   QMAN$QUEUE_MANAGE@ SECURITY_SERVER         HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   SECURITY_SERVER@ JOB_CONTROL             HIB   SYSTEM      9/ 8   JBC$JOB_CONTROLA TCPIP$FTP_1             LEF   TCPIP$FTP  10/ 8   TCPIP$FTP_SERVER 7 LATACP                  HIB   SYSTEM     14/12   LATACP 7 LANACP                  HIB   SYSTEM     14/12   LANACP . SWAPPER                 HIB   SYSTEM     16/16  O I think that realtime priorities would not be needed, but what about all these  M processes with (base) priorities from 6 to 8, e.g. TCPIP$INETACP, IPCACP, or  M TPSERV. I would prefer to give lower priorities to the application processes  J than to these system processes, but the "window" from 4 to 6 is too small.  M What do you do WRT process priorities? Raise system process priorities? What  G should be done (or not be done) to keep a stable and responsive system?   Q Additional background information: Of course, the high priority server processes  P are tested well and stable, but some other processes might come into a CPU loop L or similar (e.g. once there was a process with a read timeout of 0 seconds, ; which came from a (missing) user input timeout value :-( ).   O In such cases a system manager should still be able to log in and suspend/stop  P such bad behaving processes. And network activities (many processes connect via ; TCPIP services) should never be blocked by other processes.    Any suggestions what to do?    Regards    Albrecht   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.392 ************************