1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 393       Contents: Fw: SET HOST 0, Re: Good luck to VMS engineering and support! Help to find X25 Layered Packages ) Looking for smaller VAX or Alpha machines @ Musta been the same sort of 'sales job' used on Curly for ItanicD Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacksD Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacksD Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacksD Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks- Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India  Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? Re: RENAME/QUEUE ?( Re: Response issues on GS1280, VMS 7.3-2
 SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 Re: SET HOST 0 [/LOG]  Re: SET HOST 0 [/LOG] / Re: VMS process priorities and system processes / Re: VMS process priorities and system processes / Re: VMS process priorities and system processes   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:29:13 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Fw: SET HOST 0 V Message-ID: <OF296D0EBF.E3377EB3-ON0725703F.006ABCC4-0725703F.006B0BFB@mck.us.ray.com>   Dean:   F But set host 0(zero) is a special case that I didn't find discussed inJ HELP.  Nor did I find it in the System Manager Document.  I didn't look inI the DECnet manual yet.  I was just lazy and asked the c.o.v. first hoping 1 somebody had the answer on the tip of the tongue.    dave.   H ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 07/15/2005 12:25 PM -----   D Dean Woodward <dean@looseonthe.net> wrote on 07/15/2005 12:18:10 PM:   > David D Miller wrote:  > > 
 > > Folks: > > J > > It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or9 > > maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go.  >  > Not at all, sorry. :-/ >  > $ help set host  >  > SET  > 	 >    HOST  > E >         Connects your terminal (through the current host processor) H >         to another processor, called the remote processor. The command >         requires that: > = >         o  Both processors must be running DECnet software.  > E >         o  You must have an account on the remote system to log in.  > ; >         o  The NETMBX (network mailbox) privilege is set.  >  >         Format >  >           SET HOST  node-name  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:35:55 -0400  From: John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> 5 Subject: Re: Good luck to VMS engineering and support & Message-ID: <42D8485B.9A9CFA8@doe.org>  N BBC reported a potential number of 20,000 layoffs. To be announced on Tuesday.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:47:02 +0200  From: Hkz <nightshade@email.it> * Subject: Help to find X25 Layered Packages5 Message-ID: <lWXBe.26272$TR5.4512@news.edisontel.com>    Hi to everyone!   H I am searching for the X25 network Layered Packages for OpenVMS (VAX and Alpha versions) 7.2.  F I need them because me and a group of friends are trying to recreate aC small X25 network, but the OpenVMS 7.2 CD seems to be lacking these G packages. Of course we have subscribed the Hobbyist Program, so we have  the licenses to use them.   C We would be very grateful to anyone who's willing to help us in our  little project :) D Please, if you can email the packages at nightshade@email.it (i hope6 this is legal...), or point me to a download location.  
 Best Regards.  Hkz    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:58:16 GMT 3 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> 2 Subject: Looking for smaller VAX or Alpha machines0 Message-ID: <IrVBe.22$4K6.257@news-west.eli.net>  J I am a hobbyist and am looking for a small(er) VAX or Alpha workstation orJ server (even small refrigerator floor models) in the Seattle, WA area.  IfJ you know of anyone disposing of any of these types of machines, please letL me know.  I have a truck and have gone as far as Portland to retrieve (save)+ machines from a trash heap demise.  Thanks!    James T. Sprinkle    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:51:13 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Musta been the same sort of 'sales job' used on Curly for Itanic 4 Message-ID: <42d88540$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net>  . http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1584&tag=nl.e540   --L OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.      O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 16:21:46 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>M Subject: Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks B Message-ID: <1121469706.345432.90890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > AEF wrote: > > Dr. Dweeb wrote:: > >> "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message< > >> news:OM2dnarJs7f-2EvfRVn-rQ@metrocastcablevision.com... > >>> AEF wrote:	 > > [...] @ > >> Thank you for that demonstration of the length of your maleI > >> appendage.  We are all suitably impressed (or at least I am) and our 8 > >> collective knowledge is thus enriched by your post. > > F > > Thanks for the warning for me to not waste any time reading Bill's
 > > reply! > >  > L > It did not intend that you should not read it.  It is an interesting post,6 > and accurate I think, except for the guess of course  C OK, I read Bill's post that you are referring to. It's seems pretty E much right on the mark to me. I had to re-read one part of it because F he started using run-on sentences, but I don't see anything inaccurate in his post.   [...]    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 16:26:39 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>M Subject: Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks C Message-ID: <1121469999.382815.274770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > AEF wrote: > >  > > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > 9 > >>"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message ; > >>news:OM2dnarJs7f-2EvfRVn-rQ@metrocastcablevision.com...  > >> > >>>AEF wrote:  > > 	 > > [...]  > > N > >>Thank you for that demonstration of the length of your male appendage.  WeN > >>are all suitably impressed (or at least I am) and our collective knowledge" > >>is thus enriched by your post. > >  > > F > > Thanks for the warning for me to not waste any time reading Bill's
 > > reply! > E > Thus is ignorance perpetuated.  Just proves that even morons can be F > right some of the time, perhaps like a stopped clock will be twice aI > day.  Being basically an optimist, I hope that the occasional moron can E > be wound up and become a more productive member of society, but the ' > incidence of such is regrettably low.  >  > - bill  F It's posts like this, Bill, that led me to stop reading your posts. IfG you *really* want to "educate" people, the first thing you should do is D stop writing posts like this. It's pretty stupid to expect people to: read your posts when there is such a large chance of a lowG signal-to-noise ratio like the post quoted above. We know your in LJK's A killfile, and probably in many others. If your signal/noise ratio G improves, I'll read more of yours, and maybe others will, too. It's not  YOUR newsgroup, ya know.  G I finally did read the post in question, and you seem to be pretty much G right on the mark. Your judgement of people, OTOH, is somewhat lacking,  to say the least.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 16:31:41 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>M Subject: Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks B Message-ID: <1121470301.821440.20500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   John Smith wrote:  > AEF wrote: > > Michael D. Ober wrote: > >>> F > >>> My original question really was whether modern higher efficiencyF > >>> engine technology and higher gearing results in an optimum speedB > >>> greater than the arbitrary 55 mph. The question still stands > >>> unanswered.  > >>>  > >>> Dr. Dweeb  > >  > > 6 > >   http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.shtml > >  > > J > > I don't know how the curve was obtained, but it is *an* answer to your
 > > question.  > >  > >  > >> Reality Check > >>H > >> My 2002 Pontiac Montana AWD gets it's best mpg at 47-52 mph on flatG > >> ground with no wind.  This is empirical from watching the overhead H > >> instant fuel economy reading.  However, driving any distance in theF > >> western United States at this speed is fatal - you fall asleep atH > >> the wheel and kill yourself in the resulting crash.  The reality isG > >> that given the same environmental conditions (flat road & no wind, I > >> for instance) 70 mph is only 1 mpg lower than 50 mph.  Going over 75 F > >> really starts to gulp gas as the wind resistance starts to really > >> climb.  > >>G > >> My 1990 Pontiac Transport's most efficient speed was around 50 mph 
 > >> as well.  > >> > >> Mike Ober.  > >  > > E > > Interesting. Do you know how accurate your "overhead instant fuel I > > economy reading" actually is? If it's actually directly measuring the F > > rate of gas coming out of the fuel injectors it has a chance to beH > > reasonably accurate. If it's just measuing engine vacuum, I'd expect > > it to be only approximate. >  > M > My BMW 540 has both an instantaneous readout gauge calibrated in litres/100 N > km and a nav system which also calculates average fuel economy. My best fuelM > economy is at about 120 Kph (around 70 mph) without the airconditioner on - L > I get about 8.9 litres/100 km consumption on premium gas. In the city it's > at least 50% worse.   F Hmmm, you have to go up to 70mph just to get 26.5 miles per gallon?! A? Corolla could probably beat that at any speed. If you want good " mileage, BMW is not the way to go.  K > The 540 has a pretty good Cd (coefficient of drag), somewhere around 0.30 N > IIRC, where a 1.0 represents something akin to a 4'x8' sheet of plywood face > to the wind.  E That helps overall mileage, but I doubt it changes the fact that drag  increases with speed.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 17:45:37 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>M Subject: Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks C Message-ID: <1121474737.000032.274650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dr. Dweeb wrote:7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 9 > news:OM2dnarJs7f-2EvfRVn-rQ@metrocastcablevision.com...  > > AEF wrote: > >  [..] > I > My original question really was whether modern higher efficiency engine L > technology and higher gearing results in an optimum speed greater than the9 > arbitrary 55 mph. The question still stands unanswered.  >  > Dr. Dweeb     G I must say I find it odd to tout a higher speed at which a car gets its B best mileage as a technological achievement. You can apparently doC that, but only by sacrificing overall mileage, as John Smith's post C about his BMW strongly suggests. IOW, if you want good mileage, you  don't want a BMW.   A An ideal engine would convert the heat energy supplied by burning C gasoline *completely* into mechanical energy that can push the car. E (Such an engine would not require a cooling system!) Assuming a fixed C aerodynamic design for the car, and assuming no other frictional or B damping forces (and other reasonable assumptions), this means that' mileage would go down as speed goes up.   F This is because drag increases with speed. So the amount of mechanicalE energy (average force times distance) the engine would have to supply G also increases with speed. And since we are assuming 100% efficiency in B extracting useful mechanical energy from the gasoline, more gas isC required when drag is higher, which means that more gas is required  when speed is higher.   G [Now I must be careful about what I mean by efficiency. I mean here the D efficiency of converting the heat energy (which is obtained from theE burning gasoline) into mechanical energy. I would think this would be B the ideal mileage-wise: to convert *all* of the heat energy of the$ burning gas into mechanical energy.]  C So in summary: higher speed means higher drag which mean the engine F must supply more mechanical energy which means more gas must be burnedG (to travel a given distance). (Since we are assuming 100% efficiency in D converting the available energy from the gas into mechanical energy,3 more mechanical energy means more gas is required.)   D [In real cars, this does not happen, of course. The engine burns theE gas, thereby creating heat. The heat causes the gases in the cylinder C to expand, pushing on the pistons, thereby converting *some* of the D heat energy into mechanical energy that can be used to push the car.E According to some articles I read recently, only about 20% or less of E the heat energy is converted into mechanical energy; the rest is lost F as waste heat. (Yes, turbos can help recover some more energy from theC waste heat, but certainly not all of it.) And then there are gears, D RPM's below which the engine lugs, stalls, what have you, and so on.B The result is that there is an optimal speed for the best mileage.D Below that speed, the efficiency of the engine increases faster thanG the drag (on average, i.e., for reasonably not-too-small differences in G speed, and in particular not near a shift point), but above the optimal ! speed the drag increases faster.]   D So a car with an ideal engine would get better mileage than with anyG other engine at any speed (assuming the engines have the same mass, and G any other reasonable assumptions I may have missed). And such a car has C no optimal speed for the best mileage. It is because of this that I G find it odd to have an increased mileage-optimal speed as the goal when  mileage is concerned.   A Of course one also wants performance and comfort from a car, plus F essential safety systems, and to make good time. But the issue brought up was mileage.   C The only problem I see with this analysis is that there might be an F exception to the drag always increases with speed rule. I am not awareF of any exception to this for any reasonable highway speed, but I thinkE there are exceptions at airplane-type speeds due to subtle effects of @ changes in air flow at different airplane speeds. If there is an+ exception as highway speeds, I am all ears.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:16:22 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>6 Subject: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India0 Message-ID: <BEFD9FE6.11046%roktsci@comcast.net>  F I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to aH company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical supportJ over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical telephone support offshore to India?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:32:24 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> : Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India8 Message-ID: <sAYBe.1371$iG6.666@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote: H > I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to aJ > company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical supportL > over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical telephone > support offshore to India? >     I I'd be worried about a nation that is sending it's technical jobs to one  H nation and it's manufacturing to another.  Such an economy will have to 	 collapse.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:28:52 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>: Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India/ Message-ID: <00A46D04.478E3A57.1@tachysoft.com>   & >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:16:22 -07007 >Subject: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India ) >From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms1 >Message-ID: <BEFD9FE6.11046%roktsci@comcast.net>  >MIME-Version: 1.0     > G >I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to a I >company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical support K >over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical telephone  >support offshore to India?  >   H I would hope that they had heard some of the horror stories about indianO companies contracting at a certain price and then jacking that price way up for N the next contract, after the customer company has dismantled their own support department and is stuck.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:26:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India, Message-ID: <42D8624A.3CA7A17A@teksavvy.com>  < A lot of it depends on the quality of the technical support.  H When I got a siemens mobile phone, it came with a "simplified manual". IC downloaded the complete manual from their web site. It still lacked L information. I called my mobile network, and the folks there only had accessN to the simplified manual. When I first signed up to that then new network, theM folks who answered the phone were very knowledgeable. But then, as they grew, N they outsourced and added extra layers between the real techies and the drones answering the phone.  K I called Siemens technical support, it was in the USA, and the guy spend 10 J minutes taking all my personal information before I was allowed to ask theM question to whcih the guy said "sorry, I don't know". Someone on the internet M gave me the trick to insert a pause in a dialing sequence. (something Simenes   tech support should have known).  M The problem with having techical support that is really just drones that have K access to the same documentation as the users is that they arte useless for   people who are really technical.  K When you outsource to a far away place, generally, it reduces the technical K savviness of the folks who answer the phone because they only get a certain N amout of training from the real folks, and it makes for a greater loop betweenM the phone drones and the real tech support back in north america who know the 1 stuff but who no longer have access to customers.     E Now, take Air Canada for instance. They have outsourced their baggage G complaints lines to India. In such a case, it is really people who take D complaints and enter them on a computer without having to have truly specialised knowledge.    K But for computer support, if someone calls about a VMS driver problem under J certain circumstances, the guy in India isn't going to have access to muchL more information that the customer would have in manuals.  So this guy mightG be good for customer who calls with "I entered my username, but nothing J happens" questions with the typical answer being "did you press the return key" ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:36:43 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> : Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India' Message-ID: <42D864AB.7080005@MMaz.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote:   G >I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to a I >company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical support K >over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical telephone  >support offshore to India?  >    > F I'd expect to see my support fees reduced by 80% to receive less than  stellar support.   Personally, I don't like it...   Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President/CIO                        FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:47:34 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India+ Message-ID: <42D88356.A2D62210@comcast.net>    Jeff Cameron wrote:  > H > I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to aJ > company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical supportL > over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical telephone > support offshore to India?   ...you mean like HP did to us?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:52:31 +1200 $ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>: Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India2 Message-ID: <zv%Be.816$PL5.130893@news.xtra.co.nz>  J > > I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to aL > > company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical supportD > > over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical	 telephone  > > support offshore to India?  : Never mind VMS. I have recently had to call my local telco: for assistance and got connected to someone with a clearly4 Indian accent. We've spent quite some time trying to6 understand each other with no result. Finally, the guy7 transferred me to a local support person and the matter  was resolved in 5 mins.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:30:59 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>: Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India( Message-ID: <42D89B93.AD3F158E@mist.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > H > I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react to aJ > company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical supportL > over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical telephone > support offshore to India?  : My experience with technical telephone support in India is8 an excercise in linguistic futility and frustration.  It( would give the company a bad reputation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:05:16 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? ; Message-ID: <42d85d4c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   = Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote: L > We have a file "SAVE_QUEUE_DEFINITIONS.COM" from somewhere I don't recall.@ > It produces an output command file to recreate all the queues.  A It's probably a descendant of the DSN article "[OpenVMS] F$GETQUI & Explanations, Examples, & References".   cu,    Martin --  C                              | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 6   Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI   the Borg have proper       |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ =   networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:44:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? + Message-ID: <42D88280.E9B7B158@comcast.net>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > ; > Am I the only one who still miss a RENAME/QUEUE command ?  > B > Is it really such a big problem to create such a functionality ?' > (or is $SNDJBC a don't touch area ;-)  > J > A Create[/Merge]/Delete Queue is surely not that much fun if you need toA > rename more than a couple of queues (all with ACLs and such)...  >  > Any hope ?    Does this need arise frequently?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:53:34 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>1 Subject: Re: Response issues on GS1280, VMS 7.3-2 - Message-ID: <yKSBe.131110$9A2.88439@edtnps89>   @ Do you have LAVC$FAILURE_ANALYSIS in place? This would help you A determine if transient network problems as a contributing factor.   5 	We've ruled out network as the cause of our problem.     - Do you see a lot of disk mount verifications?   < 	No disk mount verifications of any kind in the last 5 days.    B Is this just any arbitrary DCL command, or something dealing with E specific file(s) or disk(s)? If it's any arbitrary DCL command, then  F maybe a CPU shortage is involved, including things like saturation of H the primary CPU in interrupt state ($MONITOR MODES/ALL could help check 
 for that).  9 	Users run approx. 1,000 commands in the same format when  	they log into the cluster:  		... 0 $       DEF/NOLOG/JOB   FILE1          FILE1.DAT0 $       DEF/NOLOG/JOB   FILE2          FILE2.DAT0 $       DEF/NOLOG/JOB   FILE3          FILE3.DAT0 $       DEF/NOLOG/JOB   FILE4          FILE4.DAT 	  7 HP suspects logical name translation to be our problem. 6 Specifically one of our system logicals called XXXXXX./ Here's trace results of a few seconds from SDA.   + Logical Name Trace Information from node L:          Count    Logical Name           2150    XXXXXX            294    SYS$SYSROOT           166    SYS$SHARE           128    SYS$COMMON  		 + Logical Name Trace Information from node M:          Count    Logical Name           3561    XXXXXX            158    SYS$SYSROOT           113    SYS$SHARE            69    SYS$COMMON   : During the interactive degradation, CPU usage is very low,& the disk queue length is less than 1,  = I've traced LNM and the high RECLAIM count is not specific to  any one program or any process. < This logical is used by all the FIO routines in our in-house application programs. > 90% of the applications running on the four fairly homogeneous cluster nodes are in-house.   ; The strange thing is, most of the programs have not changed * since the migration to GS1280 in May/2005.< Same application programs and the FIO routines were compiled from a few years ago. + Programs running on the ES45's, no problem.   = After the first node was migrated to a GS1280 hard partition, ) users experience degraded response on it.   7 When we had four ES45's, we could roll out one node for + SW/HW maintenance with no response problem. @ Now, when we take one GS1280 node out, response is embarrassing.  ; I've specified System Health Check and and T4 to run daily.        Keith Parris wrote:  > Lee wrote: > < >> Five-node Gigabit Ethernet VMScluster across three sites. >  ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:29:13 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: SET HOST 0 V Message-ID: <OFA14B5703.1C9BC0DF-ON0725703F.006569F0-0725703F.00658D97@mck.us.ray.com>   Folks:  F It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or5 maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go.    dave.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:17:34 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 2 Message-ID: <iZTBe.8653$LN2.1213@news.cpqcorp.net>   David D Miller wrote:   H > It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or7 > maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go.       The second thing to go.  D    But seriously, I'd expect SET HOST 0 tp work (only) if DECnet is F started, but typically regardless of whether or not you have a DECnet E license.  (The license has traditionally controlled off-node access.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:51:08 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 V Message-ID: <OFC8B7BEA5.CCA91B1D-ON0725703F.006CDE76-0725703F.006D0D66@mck.us.ray.com>   Hoff:   I Ahh, yes.  Maybe that's what I'm remembering -- SET HOST 0 will work even  without a license.   Thanks for that!   dave    G Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote on 07/15/2005 12:17:34 PM:    > David D Miller wrote:  > J > > It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or9 > > maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go.  >  >    The second thing to go. > E >    But seriously, I'd expect SET HOST 0 tp work (only) if DECnet is G > started, but typically regardless of whether or not you have a DECnet G > license.  (The license has traditionally controlled off-node access.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:27:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 , Message-ID: <42D81C1B.959D6CBF@teksavvy.com>   David D Miller wrote: K > Ahh, yes.  Maybe that's what I'm remembering -- SET HOST 0 will work even  > without a license.  6 Remember that "0" is also used in file specifications:  K DIR 0::"" will use DECNET/FAL to access your sys$login, assuming you have a  proxy to yourself.  # So it is part of "decnet" per say.      K Does SET HOST 0 (CTERM) bypass the decnet layer and just use a $creproc and L pipe the input/output to itself ? Or does it actually connect to the node as2 if it was a call coming in from a different node ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:53:04 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 V Message-ID: <OFF502D899.C296344F-ON0725703F.00727651-0725703F.0072B8FA@mck.us.ray.com>  J Are you suggesting that perhaps DCL parses SET HOST 0 special?  That wouldJ be nice, but I don't think so.  You're convincing me that DECnet must have to run to process the command.   dave.       H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 07/15/2005 01:27:10 PM:   > David D Miller wrote: H > > Ahh, yes.  Maybe that's what I'm remembering -- SET HOST 0 will work even > > without a license. > 8 > Remember that "0" is also used in file specifications: > K > DIR 0::"" will use DECNET/FAL to access your sys$login, assuming you have  a  > proxy to yourself. > $ > So it is part of "decnet" per say. >  > I > Does SET HOST 0 (CTERM) bypass the decnet layer and just use a $creproc  and K > pipe the input/output to itself ? Or does it actually connect to the node  as4 > if it was a call coming in from a different node ?   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 15:48:34 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 3 Message-ID: <kuI$Pjz91ya$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <42D81C1B.959D6CBF@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > David D Miller wrote: L >> Ahh, yes.  Maybe that's what I'm remembering -- SET HOST 0 will work even >> without a license.  > 8 > Remember that "0" is also used in file specifications: > M > DIR 0::"" will use DECNET/FAL to access your sys$login, assuming you have a  > proxy to yourself. > % > So it is part of "decnet" per say.   >  > M > Does SET HOST 0 (CTERM) bypass the decnet layer and just use a $creproc and N > pipe the input/output to itself ? Or does it actually connect to the node as4 > if it was a call coming in from a different node ?  A    IIRC, it's like telnet localhost.  It goes through some of the E    network layers, but not all of them.  So at the top layer it's the G    same as a remote connection, but the bottom layers don't even see it D    and don't have to be running.  In the DECnet case I think you canF    use 0:: with all lines and circuits in the off state, but you still!    have to have started the ACPs.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:16:34 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 B Message-ID: <SIVBe.8437$8f7.2443@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   David D Miller wrote:  >  >  >  > Folks: > H > It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or7 > maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go.  >  > dave.  >   	 I've used  $ set host 0/log8 to create documentation. It starts an ACP (NET or REM ?) The network could be OFF.    Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2005 16:16:44 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 3 Message-ID: <ABx+ipni6J37@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <OFF502D899.C296344F-ON0725703F.00727651-0725703F.0072B8FA@mck.us.ray.com>, David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:   L > Are you suggesting that perhaps DCL parses SET HOST 0 special?  That would
 > be nice,  F I disagree that it would be nice.  The new process wants to see a real% CTERM terminal for DECnet operations.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:46:28 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 + Message-ID: <42D88314.1E545183@comcast.net>    David D Miller wrote:  >  > Folks: > H > It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or7 > maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go.   < From my little Alpha here at home running V7.2-2, no DECnet:   $ sh sys/proc=net* $ set host 0A %RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for 	 operation      --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:55:48 -0400 ( From: "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 [/LOG]0 Message-ID: <5pWdnUCuO-e8xkXfRVn-vg@comcast.com>  G I'm just now for the first time playing with a machine without DECnet.  L Without thinking, I tried to do a $SET HOST 0/LOG and of course, it spanked K me.  What's the easiest way to simulate this functionality without DECnet?  C I ended up using Telnet and logging to a file with the VT emulator.    TIA,   Wayne , --------------------------------------------  9 "Jeff Chimene" <jchimene@earthlink.net> wrote in message  < news:SIVBe.8437$8f7.2443@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > David D Miller wrote:  >> >> >>	 >> Folks:  >>I >> It seems to me that SET HOST 0 works even if DECnet isn't running.  Or 8 >> maybe I'm getting old -- the mind is the first to go. >> >> dave. >> >  > I've used  > $ set host 0/log: > to create documentation. It starts an ACP (NET or REM ?) > The network could be OFF.  > 	 > Cheers,  > jec    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:10:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 [/LOG], Message-ID: <42D85E8D.7273D80A@teksavvy.com>   Wayne wrote:H > I'm just now for the first time playing with a machine without DECnet.M > Without thinking, I tried to do a $SET HOST 0/LOG and of course, it spanked  > me.    You can also use LAT .< You need to start LAT (look at sys$manager:lat$systartup.com  L Once you've started LAT, you can then SET HOST/LAT to your host (but I don't think that "0" works).    N Your node will broadcast a service announcement with a service name. you issue SET HOST/LAT <service name>   = (normally, the nodename is used to create a default service).       K If you have decwindows, you can create multiple decterms and use decterm to  log to file.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:46:01 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> 8 Subject: Re: VMS process priorities and system processesA Message-ID: <dgVBe.3999$dU3.514@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>    Albrecht Schlosser wrote:  > Hi,  > E > I'm looking for a way to give some application and server processes  > different priorities:  > ! > highest:  some server processes ' > high   :  some other server processes ( > medium :  some communication processes  > low    :  some other processes > lowest :  client processes > A > This would result in a process priority "window" of 5 different ? > priorities. These priorities should all be higher than normal I > (interactive) user priorities, which are by default 4. Batch priorities   > are still lower (from 1 to 3). <snip>   Hi Albrecht,  A Have you found a hard requirement for this design? Properly coded F applications will work very well w/ normal VMS scheduling. The idea isI that most processes will be in some wait state until they want attention.    Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:17:49 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 8 Subject: Re: VMS process priorities and system processes2 Message-ID: <42D827FD.9080501@applied-synergy.com>   Albrecht Schlosser wrote:  > Hi,  > F > I'm looking for a way to give some application and server processes  > different priorities:  > ! > highest:  some server processes ' > high   :  some other server processes ( > medium :  some communication processes  > low    :  some other processes > lowest :  client processes > B > This would result in a process priority "window" of 5 different @ > priorities. These priorities should all be higher than normal J > (interactive) user priorities, which are by default 4. Batch priorities   > are still lower (from 1 to 3). > G > What I'm concerned about: if I would use priorities 5-9 (or higher),  D > then some processes would have higher priorities than some system M > processes, as can be seen here (from a running OpenVMS Itanium 8.2 system):  > 8 > process name          state   username  pri/bpri imageD > ------------------------------------------------------------------8 > OPCOM                   HIB   SYSTEM      8/ 6   OPCOM9 > ERRFMT                  HIB   SYSTEM      8/ 7   ERRFMT ? > AUDIT_SERVER            HIB   AUDIT$SERV 10/ 8   AUDIT_SERVER @ > TCPIP$INETACP           HIB   INTERNET   10/ 8   TCPIP$INETACP9 > IPCACP                  HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   IPCACP 9 > TP_SERVER               HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   TPSERV D > QUEUE_MANAGER           HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   QMAN$QUEUE_MANAGEB > SECURITY_SERVER         HIB   SYSTEM     10/ 8   SECURITY_SERVERB > JOB_CONTROL             HIB   SYSTEM      9/ 8   JBC$JOB_CONTROLC > TCPIP$FTP_1             LEF   TCPIP$FTP  10/ 8   TCPIP$FTP_SERVER 9 > LATACP                  HIB   SYSTEM     14/12   LATACP 9 > LANACP                  HIB   SYSTEM     14/12   LANACP 0 > SWAPPER                 HIB   SYSTEM     16/16 > K > I think that realtime priorities would not be needed, but what about all  J > these processes with (base) priorities from 6 to 8, e.g. TCPIP$INETACP, D > IPCACP, or TPSERV. I would prefer to give lower priorities to the I > application processes than to these system processes, but the "window"   > from 4 to 6 is too small.  > J > What do you do WRT process priorities? Raise system process priorities? G > What should be done (or not be done) to keep a stable and responsive  	 > system?  > I > Additional background information: Of course, the high priority server  G > processes are tested well and stable, but some other processes might  H > come into a CPU loop or similar (e.g. once there was a process with a D > read timeout of 0 seconds, which came from a (missing) user input  > timeout value :-( ). > D > In such cases a system manager should still be able to log in and I > suspend/stop such bad behaving processes. And network activities (many  I > processes connect via TCPIP services) should never be blocked by other   > processes. >  > Any suggestions what to do?  > 	 > Regards  > 
 > Albrecht  @ Keep in mind that if you don't use realtime priorities, various D activities (primarilly I/O completions) will cause various priority & boosts, changing your active priority.  D Priority is used as a mechanism to choose which process to run when I there are multiple processes eligible to run.  Do your processes spend a  5 lot of time eligible to run, i.e, are they CPU bound?   ? Would some other synchronization mechanism be more appropriate?   G If you have processes which may become stuck in a CPU bound loop, they  ) should not be run higher than priority 4.    --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:43:17 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: VMS process priorities and system processes+ Message-ID: <42D88255.B3831837@comcast.net>    Albrecht Schlosser wrote:  >  > Hi,  > O > I'm looking for a way to give some application and server processes different 
 > priorities:  > ! > highest:  some server processes ' > high   :  some other server processes ( > medium :  some communication processes  > low    :  some other processes > lowest :  client processes > M > This would result in a process priority "window" of 5 different priorities. R > These priorities should all be higher than normal (interactive) user priorities,I > which are by default 4. Batch priorities are still lower (from 1 to 3).   F Well, remember that if one of these processes goes "run away", you mayG not be able to login and stop it if it's running at higher than DEFPRI, H and if you're already logged, you may not be able to stop it expediently7 if it's running at higher than your process's priority.   D Except in extremely critical circumstances (life critical), there is4 rarely a need to employ this kind of scheme anymore.  F Remember also that this affects CPU scheduling only, not I/O priority.G CPU intense processes will get more CPU time (at the expense of others) G as you raise their base priority. I/O intense processes will see little - gain or detriment from altered base priority.   D Try to find some other approach first. This will quickly turn into a) monster, and it WILL kill you eventually.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.393 ************************