1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 394       Contents:9 Re: interchangeability of memory between various machines 9 Re: interchangeability of memory between various machines 9 Re: interchangeability of memory between various machines  Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) Re: MONO (.net for UNIX)D Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India  Re: openVMS boot problem Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? Re: SET HOST 0 [/LOG] 
 VAMP board up   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:22:10 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: helbig@multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig)B Subject: Re: interchangeability of memory between various machines1 Message-ID: <dbajk2$1p3f$3@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   M In article <1121165679.261404.207530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "H Vlems"  <hvlems@freenet.de> writes:   ? >Phillip, the amount of memory visible for VMS is set by SYSGEN  >parameter PHYSICALPAGES  0 Right, but presumably AUTOGEN will correct this.  J What puzzles me is that when I decreased the memory, it saw the new value, but not when I increased it.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:23:47 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: helbig@multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig)B Subject: Re: interchangeability of memory between various machines1 Message-ID: <dbajn3$1p3f$4@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   C In article <db08gc$9ic$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie"  <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:   ^ >"Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote in message >news:das71l$ut2$1@online.de...  > I >> Of course, when actually using the system, rather than just testing, I F >> would do an AUTOGEN regularly anyway, especially after changing theH >> memory configuration, whether it is "needed" or not.  However, out ofD >> curiosity, does VMS automatically detect decreased memory but not >> increased memory? > = >Generally AUTOGEN sets PHYSICALPAGES to the amount of memory  >in the system, so yes.   G That implies that after an AUTOGEN things should be fine, which I would E hope.  However, if the memory is decreased, VMS detected it BEFORE an : AUTOGEN, and only after an AUTOGEN after it was increased.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:24:29 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: helbig@multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig)B Subject: Re: interchangeability of memory between various machines1 Message-ID: <dbajod$1p3f$5@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   3 In article <aqHE3+6ewoHh@eisner.encompasserve.org>, = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   j >In article <1121165679.261404.207530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> writes:A >> Phillip, the amount of memory visible for VMS is set by SYSGEN  >> parameter PHYSICALPAGES > C >   Which shuld normally be left at it's default value which allows , >   physical memory to be sized during boot.  6 Right.  I've never set it by hand or in MODPARAMS.DAT.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:02:45 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) ? Message-ID: <dbaev4$g95$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi Arne,  L So, not wanting to start an off-topic thread or appear to love VMS less thanE I do, but yes I agree with you about vms not having much place on the G desktop. I'm not sure about engineering or cad/cam apps but for general K commercial apps I think the truth is self-evident that VMS is not there and I never will be there, But so what? (Or is MONO specifically a GUI-oriented  translator?)  K Do you not see VMS as potentially the best-placed server OS to backup these F flaky front-end apps with stability, performance and disaster-tolerantL reliability? If only there were a simple and effective way to interface yourJ beautiful .NET apps with your rock-solid VMS back-end! If only there was aH VMS Transaction Manager that let you deploy the middleware product(s) ofK your choice yet still preserve transactional integrity for your distributed  heterogeneous data resources!    Stay tuned. . .   L "Oh yeah, heard it all before" I hear your say "You'll make us bleed throughJ the eyes, just like Bridgeworks users :-(". Well you'll be able to bake upK your own mind after this week-end. The TIER3 Alpha 3.1 kit is available and K includes the lovely T3$PERSONA_ASSUME. The documentation is just waiting on I me to tell those that don't know how to send an interrupt with DECnet and E TCP/IP. (Nothing to do with my software, but the only bad thing about L "requiring absolutely no Tier3-specific software on the client node" is thatI you have to (at least some extent) re-document Sockets and System Service  references. Oh well. . .   Regards Richard Maher   0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message6 news:42d82d19$0$22190$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk... > John Malmberg wrote:E > > So what my question is, would having Mono on OpenVMS bring in any L > > significant new business to justify HP paying someone to get it working? > B > Are there anything that will bring "significant new business" to > VMS theese days ?  > 9 > My feeling is that today 50% of new enterprise apps are < > being developed in Java/J2EE and 30% in .NET (leaving justA > 20% to everything else from C++ to PHP). New = not enhancements  > of existing applications.  > 5 > So there are definatetly a lot of business in .NET.  > 5 > But it is questionable whether mono on VMS will get  > a piece of that cake.  > 3 > It is even questionable whether any OS other than ( > Windows will get a piece of that cake. >  > Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2005 07:36:28 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) C Message-ID: <1121524588.286295.284740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Richard Maher wrote:
 > Hi Arne, > N > So, not wanting to start an off-topic thread or appear to love VMS less thanG > I do, but yes I agree with you about vms not having much place on the I > desktop. I'm not sure about engineering or cad/cam apps but for general M > commercial apps I think the truth is self-evident that VMS is not there and K > never will be there, But so what? (Or is MONO specifically a GUI-oriented  > translator?) > M > Do you not see VMS as potentially the best-placed server OS to backup these H > flaky front-end apps with stability, performance and disaster-tolerantN > reliability? If only there were a simple and effective way to interface yourL > beautiful .NET apps with your rock-solid VMS back-end! If only there was aJ > VMS Transaction Manager that let you deploy the middleware product(s) ofM > your choice yet still preserve transactional integrity for your distributed  > heterogeneous data resources!  >  > Stay tuned. . .  > N > "Oh yeah, heard it all before" I hear your say "You'll make us bleed throughL > the eyes, just like Bridgeworks users :-(". Well you'll be able to bake upM > your own mind after this week-end. The TIER3 Alpha 3.1 kit is available and M > includes the lovely T3$PERSONA_ASSUME. The documentation is just waiting on K > me to tell those that don't know how to send an interrupt with DECnet and G > TCP/IP. (Nothing to do with my software, but the only bad thing about N > "requiring absolutely no Tier3-specific software on the client node" is thatK > you have to (at least some extent) re-document Sockets and System Service  > references. Oh well. . . >  > Regards Richard Maher   2 Will there be a Hobbyist License for this product?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:11:12 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: MONO (.net for UNIX) ? Message-ID: <dbb82f$lj6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi John, > 4 > Will there be a Hobbyist License for this product?  L If I have to go that far then yes. How this will be licensed and are VMS (orJ Rdb) Management interested in taking it on, are all issues that are up forI grabs. In the mean time, are you interested in beta testing it? I'm doing L *my* last proof-reads of the docs this week-end. (Word only at the moment. II have to find some PDF converter) Would you like to have a look? If ther's ( genuine interest in this then who knows?   Regards Richard Maher   L PS. If I do have to go the whole-hog myself then I'm toying with the idea ofL a license along the lines of Oracle's. i.e. you can develop with it and whenJ you sell your product the user has to buy Tier3. Imagine - Your product isJ just 6 User Action Routines in a shareable image and an entry in the Tier3 Configuration File!   + <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1121524588.286295.284740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >  >  > Richard Maher wrote: > > Hi Arne, > > K > > So, not wanting to start an off-topic thread or appear to love VMS less  thanI > > I do, but yes I agree with you about vms not having much place on the K > > desktop. I'm not sure about engineering or cad/cam apps but for general K > > commercial apps I think the truth is self-evident that VMS is not there  and @ > > never will be there, But so what? (Or is MONO specifically a GUI-oriented > > translator?) > > I > > Do you not see VMS as potentially the best-placed server OS to backup  these J > > flaky front-end apps with stability, performance and disaster-tolerantK > > reliability? If only there were a simple and effective way to interface  yourL > > beautiful .NET apps with your rock-solid VMS back-end! If only there was a L > > VMS Transaction Manager that let you deploy the middleware product(s) ofC > > your choice yet still preserve transactional integrity for your  distributed ! > > heterogeneous data resources!  > >  > > Stay tuned. . .  > > H > > "Oh yeah, heard it all before" I hear your say "You'll make us bleed through K > > the eyes, just like Bridgeworks users :-(". Well you'll be able to bake  upK > > your own mind after this week-end. The TIER3 Alpha 3.1 kit is available  and L > > includes the lovely T3$PERSONA_ASSUME. The documentation is just waiting onI > > me to tell those that don't know how to send an interrupt with DECnet  and I > > TCP/IP. (Nothing to do with my software, but the only bad thing about K > > "requiring absolutely no Tier3-specific software on the client node" is  thatE > > you have to (at least some extent) re-document Sockets and System  Service  > > references. Oh well. . . > >  > > Regards Richard Maher  > 4 > Will there be a Hobbyist License for this product? >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2005 06:27:58 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>M Subject: Re: Now the UK Has it's own date in the history of al quiada attacks B Message-ID: <1121520478.882005.48220@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  
 Lurker wrote: 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 9 > news:0fOdnQNgq68gRkrfRVn-sg@metrocastcablevision.com...  > 1 > Let's go near to the beginnings of this thread.  > 5 > My participation started when I responded to a post 5 > (I believe from AEF if I'm not mistaken) which said 
 > in part:  - You're mistaken. I never said any such thing.    [...]    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:48:48 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) : Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India9 Message-ID: <k52Ce.154768$PR6.95498@tornado.texas.rr.com>   $ Beach Runner (bob@nospam.com) wrote: :  : Jeff Cameron wrote: H : > I'd like to gauge the reaction of all of you. How would you react toG : > a company that you were used to giving you great OpenVMS technical  M : > support over the phone, announcing that they were sending that technical  ( : > telephone support offshore to India? : >  : K : I'd be worried about a nation that is sending it's technical jobs to one  - : nation and it's manufacturing to another.     M It's also sending much of its R&D overseas, as well as biotech and the other   "Next Big Things".   : ( : Such an economy will have to collapse. :     Or become a third-world country:  2    http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050715_descent.htm?    VDARE.com: 07/15/05 - America's Descent Into The Third World   )   "America's Descent Into The Third World     By Paul Craig Roberts  I    The June payroll jobs report did not receive much attention due to the I    July 4 holiday, but the depressing 21st century job performance of the !    US economy continues unabated.   G    Only 144,000 private sector jobs were created, each one of which was     in domestic services.  H    56,000 jobs were created in professional and business services, about:    half of which are in administrative and waste services.  H    38,000 jobs were created in education and health services, almost all5    of which are in health care and social assistance.   E    19,000 jobs were created in leisure and hospitality, almost all of '    which are waitresses and bartenders.   D    Membership associations and organizations created 10,000 jobs and-    repair and maintenance created 4,000 jobs.   ,    Financial activities created 16,000 jobs.  G    This most certainly is not the labor market profile of a first world #    country, much less a superpower.   E    Where are the jobs for this year's crop of engineering and science 
    graduates?   5    US manufacturing lost another 24,000 jobs in June.   F    A country that doesn't manufacture doesn't need many engineers. And7    the few engineering jobs available go to foreigners.   H    Readers have sent me employment listings from US software developmentH    firms. The listings are discriminatory against American citizens. One?    ad from a company in New Jersey that is a developer for many H    companies, including Oracle, specifies that the applicant must have a    TN visa.   G    A TN or Trade Nafta visa is what is given to Mexicans and Canadians, ?    who are willing to work in the US at below prevailing wages.   @    Another ad from a software consulting company based in Omaha,?    Nebraska, specifies it wants software engineers who are H-1B C    transferees. What this means is that the firm is advertising for 9    foreigners already in the US who have H-1B work visas.   <    The reason the US firms specify that they have employmentG    opportunities only for foreigners who hold work visas is because the @    foreigners will work for less than the prevailing US salary.   G    Gentle reader, when you read allegations that there is a shortage of G    engineers in America, necessitating the importation of foreigners to A    do the work, you are reading a bald faced lie. If there were a E    shortage of American engineers, employers would not word their job A    listings to read that no American need apply and that they are 7    offering jobs only to foreigners holding work visas.   C    What kind of country gives preference to foreigners over its own     engineering graduates?   E    What kind of country destroys the job market for its own citizens?   @    How much longer will parents shell out $100,000 for a collegeF    education for a son or daughter who end up employed as a bartender,    waitress, or temp?"     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:45:27 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: helbig@multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig)! Subject: Re: openVMS boot problem 1 Message-ID: <dbakvn$1p3f$6@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   B In article <cDxBe.11252$qg1.925572@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca> writes:  F >I have seen this symptom if the SCSI is improperly terminated (or notI >terminated at all)  Not familiar with AS255, but if there is an external K >SCSI connector, make sure it has the proper terminator (we were told by HP E >Service that some machines of that vintage are fussy about the RIGHT  >terminator)  > The 255 terminates automatically if there is nothing connected externally.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:26:08 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? B Message-ID: <42d8e0c2$0$18018$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:? > Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:  > L >>We have a file "SAVE_QUEUE_DEFINITIONS.COM" from somewhere I don't recall.@ >>It produces an output command file to recreate all the queues. >  > C > It's probably a descendant of the DSN article "[OpenVMS] F$GETQUI ( > Explanations, Examples, & References". >  > cu, 
 >   Martin  
 Hi Martin,   I found the article here...   Y http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0095D437-BBF6EF20-1C0097.html    Cheers!    Keith    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2005 14:00:48 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: RENAME/QUEUE ? , Message-ID: <42d91310$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <42D88280.E9B7B158@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  >>  < >> Am I the only one who still miss a RENAME/QUEUE command ? >>  C >> Is it really such a big problem to create such a functionality ? ( >> (or is $SNDJBC a don't touch area ;-) >>  K >> A Create[/Merge]/Delete Queue is surely not that much fun if you need to B >> rename more than a couple of queues (all with ACLs and such)... >>  
 >> Any hope ?  > ! >Does this need arise frequently?   J Of course not (only when you name printer queues after departments and theL company starts another reorganisation, like in my previous company - I fixedK it by naming the printer queues after department account numbers instead of , names because they were A LOT more stable).   P I only can't believe that VMS still lacks such a basic function after >25 years.P (Like I couldn't believe that NT was unable to rename (user) groups for so long)8 And I also liked to see one more On-Topic thread here...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:32:55 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: SET HOST 0 [/LOG]7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05071609326312e859@mail.gmail.com>   3 On 7/15/05, Wayne <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> wrote: H > I'm just now for the first time playing with a machine without DECnet.L > Without thinking, I tried to do a $SET HOST 0/LOG and of course, it spank= edL > me.  What's the easiest way to simulate this functionality without DECnet= ? E > I ended up using Telnet and logging to a file with the VT emulator.   ! $ TELNET LOCALHOST /LOG=3Dlogfile    Seems to work for me.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:46:59 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: VAMP board up2 Message-ID: <1121510719.15400.0@ersa.uk.clara.net>   Apologies for downtime.   G VAMP board is back up & running as a (hopefully) useful repository for  I those of us trying to use VMS to power CMS type packages on Apache & PHP.   $ http://www.issinoho.com:8080/phpbb2/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.394 ************************