1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 402       Contents:! Re: Congratulations to Ed Wilts ! ! Re: Congratulations to Ed Wilts !  Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: Interex is Dead! Re: Interex is Dead! Re: Interex is Dead! Re: Interex is Dead!( OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40, Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40, Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40, Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40, Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40, Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40$ Re: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMS$ RE: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMSP Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito informaP Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito informaP Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito infP Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito inf VMS error messages? / Re: VMS process priorities and system processes   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 04:27:27 -0700# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> * Subject: Re: Congratulations to Ed Wilts !B Message-ID: <1121858847.145064.60200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E VMS has just 22 active systems of the 1103 active hosts in the Uptime @ project, if you count the project's "OpenVMScluster" and OpenVMSG together--that's 2% of the total. But it has 40% of the top 10 systems! G I didn't work out the highest average uptime but we may own it as well.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 06:20:44 -0700$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>* Subject: Re: Congratulations to Ed Wilts !B Message-ID: <1121865644.390557.10000@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  I > I didn't work out the highest average uptime but we may own it as well.   / http://uptimes.hostingwired.com/stats.php?op=os   B Not even close - OpenVMS wins by a *long* shot.  There are only 10F active VMScluster hosts with an average uptime of 220 days.  There areG 11 active SunOS hosts with an average uptime of 13 days.  The 12 active E non-cluster VMS hosts have a 31 day average.  Windows averages 3 days  :-)   	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:09:47 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 2 Message-ID: <fHuDe.8908$rp7.8182@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: H > I hope that Ann McQuaid will fight hard to protect the VMS engineering  L We've already seen her fight hard, and she has had some success in doing so.  I It's also encouraging to see the aims for HP's restructuring under Hurd.    From the press release:  H "embedding sales and marketing efforts directly into the business units"  I I'm hopeful this will allow more product-focused advertising, in lieu of  3   more-nebulous corporate-level brand-building ads.   H "Reductions in sales positions will be minimal, so that HP can continue H to provide world-class service and avoid impacting customers; and there C will be little change to headcount in research and development, to  C ensure that the company remains a leader in technology innovation."   H This preserves Sales and R&D. VMS Engineering is considered R&D, and of  course we need Sales.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:37:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 , Message-ID: <42DE7DE4.CCB4CF69@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: J > "embedding sales and marketing efforts directly into the business units" > J > I'm hopeful this will allow more product-focused advertising, in lieu of5 >   more-nebulous corporate-level brand-building ads.   J But that doesn't mean that VMS advertising is unlocked. It just means thatL some guy in charge of Windows server advertsiting will continue to say no toK any request for VMS advertising. And I am not personally convinced that the J VMS management are really convinced that VMS advertising is REEALLY REALLY REALLY needed badly.    L However, should Ann McQuaid take up the fight to allow VMS to be advertised,J the fight will be between her in the basement against some guy on the 10thK floor instead of the previous situation where the guy was on the 25th floor < and not so easily reachable by someone like McQuaid's level.    I > "Reductions in sales positions will be minimal, so that HP can continue I > to provide world-class service and avoid impacting customers; and there D > will be little change to headcount in research and development, toE > ensure that the company remains a leader in technology innovation."   N This is not comforting to me. "little change to headcount in R&D" can mean: weM sack 100 VMS engineering staff, and hire 100 ink developpers for the printing 
 division.   N Also, by the time the political turf protection fights are in full motion, youJ may find that accounting will shift some  downsizing over to sales and not" downsize as much as it could have.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:08:14 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 0 Message-ID: <11dt11gtcrqiu31@corp.supernews.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > I >> I hope that Ann McQuaid will fight hard to protect the VMS engineering  >  > K > We've already seen her fight hard, and she has had some success in doing   > so.  > K > It's also encouraging to see the aims for HP's restructuring under Hurd.   > From the press release:  > J > "embedding sales and marketing efforts directly into the business units"  H When I read this statement I felt that perhaps there would be some hope D for VMS to promote itself.  This rather simple statement may be the $ biggest thing Hurd has done to date.  K > I'm hopeful this will allow more product-focused advertising, in lieu of  4 >  more-nebulous corporate-level brand-building ads. > J > "Reductions in sales positions will be minimal, so that HP can continue J > to provide world-class service and avoid impacting customers; and there E > will be little change to headcount in research and development, to  E > ensure that the company remains a leader in technology innovation."  > J > This preserves Sales and R&D. VMS Engineering is considered R&D, and of  > course we need Sales.      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:15:37 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 0 Message-ID: <11dt1fbs6bb363e@corp.supernews.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > I >> I hope that Ann McQuaid will fight hard to protect the VMS engineering  >  > K > We've already seen her fight hard, and she has had some success in doing   > so.  > K > It's also encouraging to see the aims for HP's restructuring under Hurd.   > From the press release:  > J > "embedding sales and marketing efforts directly into the business units" > K > I'm hopeful this will allow more product-focused advertising, in lieu of  4 >  more-nebulous corporate-level brand-building ads.  E Another example of the perception of VMS in the marketplace.  I just  E returned from a client's site.  During a discussion the topic of VMS  E came up.  Unfortunately, the topic was how soon the VMS system could  F become a boat anchor.  The IT person said that there has been nothing C new for VMS in years.  They're on V6.2.  I countered that V8.2 was  G recently released and that VMS development is alive and well.  None of  I them knew anything about developments in VMS in over 10 years.  Granted,  F they didn't want to know about the topic, but, their perceptions were C far from reality.  I'll restate that.  Their perceptions are their  H reality, and that is that there is no more VMS development.  Wonder who I to blame for that?  Some serious 'shove it down their throats' marketing   is long overdue.  J > "Reductions in sales positions will be minimal, so that HP can continue J > to provide world-class service and avoid impacting customers; and there E > will be little change to headcount in research and development, to  E > ensure that the company remains a leader in technology innovation."  > J > This preserves Sales and R&D. VMS Engineering is considered R&D, and of  > course we need Sales.      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:06:18 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 1 Message-ID: <uowDe.8919$hd.4521@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: L > But that doesn't mean that VMS advertising is unlocked. It just means thatN > some guy in charge of Windows server advertsiting will continue to say no to" > any request for VMS advertising.  H HP is "embedding sales and marketing efforts directly into the business A units" and there are 3 business units going forward: "Technology  E Solutions Group (TSG), Imaging and Printing Group (IPG) and Personal  I Systems Group (PSG). This will give each business unit greater financial  ) and operational control of its business."   D VMS is part of TSG. Printers are in IPG. PCs are in PSG. So a PC or 1 printer person can't say "No" to VMS advertising.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:10:58 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! 2 Message-ID: <6QtDe.8903$6_7.8872@news.cpqcorp.net>   Keith Parris wrote: M > HP still provided support in terms of buying some tradeshow exhibit space,  I > and sending Ann Livermore to do a keynote, along with a limited number  = > of HP speakers for hands-on sessions and technical sessions   G And in addition, HP is reported to have provided financial sponsorship  E of HP World at an unprecedented level. From an Interex press release  H dated April 5 and posted in c.o.v earlier: "Interex also announced that E HP has purchased a Premier Sponsorship at HP World 2005, the largest  E financial commitment for a single sponsorship from HP in the 10 year   history of the event."   HP is providing this offer:   F HP will offer a complimentary, comparable registration to the 2005 HP B Technology Forum for paid, registered attendees of HP World 2005. G Additionally, HP will offer discounted exhibition space at the 2005 HP  F Technology Forum to non-HP competitors exhibiting at or sponsoring HP  World 2005.   8 HP World attendees can get more information by visiting H http://www.HPWorldParticipants.com, calling (877) 216-5400, or emailing  HPWorldInfo@TravelHq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:50:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! , Message-ID: <42DE80CF.583C5008@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: H > And in addition, HP is reported to have provided financial sponsorshipF > of HP World at an unprecedented level. From an Interex press releaseI > dated April 5 and posted in c.o.v earlier: "Interex also announced that F > HP has purchased a Premier Sponsorship at HP World 2005, the largestF > financial commitment for a single sponsorship from HP in the 10 year > history of the event."    F Does this mean that HP pulled back some of those financial sponsorshipI resulting in Interex having to declare bankrupcy due it all the financial # commitments so close to the event ?   I Personally, I feel that a user group should be a user group first, and an I event organiser second.  The advent of the internet as well as budgets in M corporations has made going to conferences not as mandatory as it was back in I the 1980s, especially since VMS is more or less stagnant in terms of user  features and applications.    G I think it is a real shame that Interex would vanish, leaving HP-UX and 9 especially MPE customers without a user group in the USA.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:49:08 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! 1 Message-ID: <o8wDe.8915$k7.5063@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: H > Does this mean that HP pulled back some of those financial sponsorshipK > resulting in Interex having to declare bankrupcy due it all the financial % > commitments so close to the event ?   G I've seen no evidence to support such a speculation, and to suggest it  ! almost seems a bit mean-spirited.   D Interex filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy (liquidation), where all the F assets are divided up among the creditors, so it looks to me like not D only will HP likely lose its Platinum-level sponsorship dollars and B exhibition-rent dollars, but it now is voluntarily picking up the E expense of free HP Technology Forum registration fees for all the HP  6 World attendees who paid registration fees to Interex.  K > Personally, I feel that a user group should be a user group first, and an K > event organiser second.  The advent of the internet as well as budgets in G > corporations has made going to conferences not as mandatory as it was   C Most users don't seem to want to pay membership fees; only a small  I minority of either Encompass or Interex members were paid members -- the  H vast majority were no-fee Associate members. HP World Magazine was paid G for by advertisements. And annual events have been an important sounce  : of supporting revenue for the user groups which hold them.  H The fact that thousands of people came each time an event was held is a D good indicator that events were probably meeting the needs of those H people. I agree that other venues need to be in place to meet the needs G of folks who can't attend, and I've seen a big increase in things like   webcasts and so forth lately.   9 > VMS is more or less stagnant in terms of user features    I I sure see a lot of new features coming out. For example, Guy Peleg sure  7 seems to get a lot of new user-level features into DCL.   I > I think it is a real shame that Interex would vanish, leaving HP-UX and ; > especially MPE customers without a user group in the USA.    Me, too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:44:58 -0700 0 From: Greg Cagle <gregc@removethisgregcagle.com> Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! 0 Message-ID: <11dt3cqc0jfg8b4@corp.supernews.com>   Keith Parris wrote:   I > And in addition, HP is reported to have provided financial sponsorship  G > of HP World at an unprecedented level. From an Interex press release  J > dated April 5 and posted in c.o.v earlier: "Interex also announced that G > HP has purchased a Premier Sponsorship at HP World 2005, the largest  G > financial commitment for a single sponsorship from HP in the 10 year   > history of the event."  B This is of course only one piece of a full support package. If theD details of the HP World 2005 support package come out, you will find@ that it is a small fraction of previous years, especially in theD area of committed speakers and sessions. The press release you quoteB was Interex marketing at work trying to sell HP World to attendeesD as a "supported HP conference" when in reality things were radically different than previous years.   - Greg --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:11:29 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)1 Subject: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 1 Message-ID: <05072011112966@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    The tech specs for the ES40   = h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10392_na/10392_na.html     ) Suggest the following temperature limits:   B Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 500 to 950 F (100 to 350 C), Non-operating  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)1 Storage (60 days)  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)      F Does Operating imply ambient room temperature or internal temperature?         John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:19:48 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 2 Message-ID: <dbltj4$nh1$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  a "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message news:05072011112966@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...    > The tech specs for the ES40 + > Suggest the following temperature limits:  > D > Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 500 to 950 F (100 to 350 C). > Non-operating  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)2 > Storage (60 days)  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)  < Well, HP have the Venusian high performance computing market
 sewn up then.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:43:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 , Message-ID: <42DE7F36.6F5E422E@teksavvy.com>   John Brandon wrote: + > Suggest the following temperature limits:  > D > Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 500 to 950 F (100 to 350 C). > Non-operating  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)2 > Storage (60 days)  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)  L I take it that those systems have all metal cabinets with 0 plastic parts in them ?  L Also, what sort of suits are the HP field service given when they have to go! work in such computer rooms ? :-)     J Also, at those temperatures, woudln't the lead solder start to melt on theJ boards ? Or has HP found some way to solder electronics on board which can# widthstand such high temperatures ?   L Even if it was an extra 0 added to the numbers by mistake, it still wouldn't make sense.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 11:56:47 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 3 Message-ID: <KlWdVaeXMamh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <dbltj4$nh1$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > c > "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message news:05072011112966@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...  >  >> The tech specs for the ES40, >> Suggest the following temperature limits: >>E >> Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 500 to 950 F (100 to 350 C) / >> Non-operating  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C) 3 >> Storage (60 days)  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)  > > > Well, HP have the Venusian high performance computing market > sewn up then.   I Looks to me like missing decimal points and minus signs.  The coincidence 8 between 400 F and 400 C is a compelling bit of evidence.  + Inserting signs and decimal points we have:   , Operating:   50.0 to 95.0 F (10.0 to 35.0 C)1 Non-operating: -40.0 to 151.0 F (-40.0 to 66.0 C) 4 Storage (60 days) -40.0 to 151.0 F (-40.0 to 66.0 C)  8 The Fahrenheit to Celsius conversions work out properly.  E I am skeptical that these figures are actually good to four sig figs. 8 (Looks like three until you convert to Kelvin or Rankin)   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:24:42 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 0 Message-ID: <uNvDe.8913$P9.995@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Brandon wrote: D > Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 500 to 950 F (100 to 350 C). > Non-operating  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)3 > Storage (60 days)  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)    G When I look at that page with either IE or Mozilla, what you show as a  A trailing zero shows up as a degree sign instead of a zero for me.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:38:50 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)5 Subject: Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 1 Message-ID: <05072012385086@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > John Brandon wrote: - > > Suggest the following temperature limits:  > > F > > Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 500 to 950 F (100 to 350 C)0 > > Non-operating  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C)4 > > Storage (60 days)  400 to 1510 F ( 400 to 660 C) > N > I take it that those systems have all metal cabinets with 0 plastic parts in > them ? > N > Also, what sort of suits are the HP field service given when they have to go# > work in such computer rooms ? :-)  >  > L > Also, at those temperatures, woudln't the lead solder start to melt on theL > boards ? Or has HP found some way to solder electronics on board which can% > widthstand such high temperatures ?  > N > Even if it was an extra 0 added to the numbers by mistake, it still wouldn't
 > make sense.   K I was wonder why everyone was having such fun with this... now I see why...   O I copy-n-paste the text from the web pages.  My editor took them as the degrees & symbol - the text translation is zero.  
 Should be:  > Operating (Tower, Pedestal, Rackmount) 50 to 95 F (10 to 35 C)( Non-operating  40 to 151 F ( 40 to 66 C), Storage (60 days)  40 to 151 F ( 40 to 66 C)   Worth the grin!   H So, question still stands, is the operating temperature the same as room ambient temperature?         John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 05:21:34 -0700$ From: "Rick" <gillmores@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1121862094.541223.316020@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E Thanks for the reference, Keith.  It turns out Rainer ported Qt 2.1.0 B back in 2000 - I found his code is in the DECUS archives yesterdayF (thanks Glenn).  I am looking at it right now, trying to apply some of? what he did to Qt V3.3.4, but he has already told me he was not E successful in porting Qt V3.x, so I expect to find plenty of problems F today.  We haven't installed Qt V4 yet, but if I am going to put a lotE of effort into porting Qt, I will probably start with V4, which means C we will have to upgrade our development systems here and retest our C applications before I can get back to porting Qt.  So much code, so  little time...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:51:40 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMS R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB651459@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Rick [mailto:gillmores@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: July 20, 2005 8:22 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMS  >=20G > Thanks for the reference, Keith.  It turns out Rainer ported Qt 2.1.0 D > back in 2000 - I found his code is in the DECUS archives yesterdayH > (thanks Glenn).  I am looking at it right now, trying to apply some ofA > what he did to Qt V3.3.4, but he has already told me he was not G > successful in porting Qt V3.x, so I expect to find plenty of problems H > today.  We haven't installed Qt V4 yet, but if I am going to put a lotG > of effort into porting Qt, I will probably start with V4, which means E > we will have to upgrade our development systems here and retest our E > applications before I can get back to porting Qt.  So much code, so  > little time... >=20  	 Rick -=20   E As a suggestion, with all of the additional UNIX portability + CRTL + E other features built into VMS V8.2, you might want to start with this  version as your base OS.   Reference the following:& http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6675/6675pro_contents.html#toc_cha pter_4   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:10:51 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito informa Q Message-ID: 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 MTAxY29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbnMgTExDLg==   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:04:19 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito informa Q Message-ID: <OF0E13E6C8.76C92CD9-ON85257044.0052D758-85257044.0052FFAE@metso.com>    [Repost, in text-only I hope]    From ENTmag.com:0 Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus   by Stuart Johnston  H 7/19/2005--Intel is shipping a pair of new Itanium 2 processors that aimD to boost the chips' performance in compute intensive applications by increasing bus transfer speeds.     H Both new CPUs run at 1.6 GHz and provide a front-side bus (FSB) speed ofF 667 MHz, according to the Santa Clara, Calif.-based chip manufacturer.1 Previous Itanium 2s have an FSB speed of 400 MHz.     I The increased bus speed is intended to boost throughput for connecting to J and transferring data between the microprocessor, chipset and main memory.E The faster FSB bandwidth enables computers built with the new CPUs to B transfer data at speeds up to 10.6 gigabits per second between theF processor to other system components. Current generation CPUs can only> handle bus transfer speeds up to 6.4 Gbps, according to Intel.    J Further, the improved bus design will be used in the forthcoming dual-coreI Itanium processor, code-named "Montecito." In early July, Intel claimed a I prototype system with two Montecito chips--that is, with four cores total E --trounced a single-core, four-processor RISC system, by 45 gigaflops 7 (billion floating point operations per second) to 27.5.     J While Itanium's impact on the overall server market has not meant the boomK in sales and implementations, nor the ubiquitousness, that Intel originally J envisioned, it has taken hold in higher-end compute intensive applicationsH in the scientific, oil and gas, and government sectors. It has also beenE making headway in markets such as mainframe migration and RISC system  replacement.    K As such, any improvement in throughput is welcomed by those customers, says  one analyst.    E "It's a nicely performing processor for the high end of some vendors' A product lines," says Gordon Haff, senior analyst at research firm  Illuminata in Nashua, N.H.    K The new FSB speed also reassures customers of Intel's commitment to Itanium * 2, at least for the time being, Haff says.    J "[These chips are] providing a good roadmap for those markets," Haff says.@ "There's an implicit requirement that you have these incremental9 enhancements for a processor to continue moving forward."     ? In that regard, Haff says, the two new offerings will best suit J applications where the ability to move more data in a very short period ofB time is critical to success, such as modeling weather or analyzing petroleum deposits.     H Longer term, a parallel data bus approach like FSB will reach its limits> and force Intel to move to a serial bus design more like AMD'sH HyperTransport. "FSB is still working for Intel but they'll have to makeF the move over time--parallel buses [like FSB] run out of speed after a while," Haff says.    I Hitachi announced it will use the new Itanium 2 processors in new Hitachi H BladeSymphony servers set to ship within 30 days. Hitachi has designed aE chipset -- the communications controller that coordinates between the K processor and the rest of the computer -- to take advantage of the improved  bus architecture.     D Intel said it expects that systems running on the Montecito CPU willA deliver up to twice the performance, up to three times the system H bandwidth, and more than 2 1/2 times as much on-die cache as the current! generation of Itanium processors.     D The new Intel Itanium 2 processor 9 MB of cache costs $4,655 each inG 1,000-unit quantities, while the one with 6 MB of cache costs $2,194 in  1,000-unit quantities.    F Stuart J. Johnston has covered technology, especially Microsoft, sinceK February 1988 for InfoWorld, Computerworld, Information Week, and PC World, A as well as for Enterprise Developer, XML & Web Services, and .NET I magazines. Contact him at stuartj1@mindspring.com. You can contact Stuart ; about "Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus" at  stuartj1@mindspring.com.    + Copyright 1996-2005, 101communications LLC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:31:47 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> Y Subject: Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito inf 2 Message-ID: <nftDe.8900$yN7.5266@news.cpqcorp.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: % >  Is this new Montecito information?   8 I certainly hadn't seen this statement in public before:  E "Intel said it expects that systems running on the Montecito CPU will A deliver up to twice the performance, up to three times the system H bandwidth, and more than 2 1/2 times as much on-die cache as the current" generation of Itanium processors."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:29:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito inf , Message-ID: <42DE7BEB.550C5800@teksavvy.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: J > 7/19/2005--Intel is shipping a pair of new Itanium 2 processors that aimF > to boost the chips' performance in compute intensive applications by! > increasing bus transfer speeds.   J What the article you quoted didn't say, but one on CNET yesterday said: HP3 will not make use of the 2 new chips, nor will SGI.   E HP has its own chipset and HP will wait for Montecito before changing 6 everything to take advantage of the higher bus speeds.  M My initial reaction to Intel releasing an interim chip was that perhaps there ; is the need to bridge the gap if Montecito will be delayed.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:10:22 -0500  From: Jim <none@example.com> Subject: VMS error messages?0 Message-ID: <Q6Cdnf7jEc7jGEPfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>  ? I'm not looking for an answer to this problem, just making the  D observation that the New Hampshire (US) State E-ZPass web server is D apparently running VMS.  I tried to check "vehicle/tag maintenance"  and got this message:   C   Other database error on table t_Device. Original Message: Prepare D   failed for dynamic SQL statement 1203, error from database is: RdbD   SQL PREPARE failed. %COSI-F-VASFULL, virtual address space full - 2   SYSTEM-F-ILLPAGCNT, illegal page count parameter  E My VMS knowledge is rusty (the last system I touched, years ago, was  @ V5.3), but I don't think "virtual address space full" is a good  thing...   Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:53:51 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>8 Subject: Re: VMS process priorities and system processes/ Message-ID: <cIsDe.19$P3.234@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   , Did you have a look at VMS class scheduling?  That could come handy... or not.   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 9.2.0.5H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.402 ************************