1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 403       Contents:2 Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries?6 Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries?6 Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries?6 Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries?6 Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries? Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 Re: Interex is Dead! Re: Interex is Dead! Re: Interex is Dead!I Managing Evolution: OpenVMS on Itanium without Compromising Your Business 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India 1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India , Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40" printing from MS Excel through VMS& Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS& Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS$ Re: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMSP Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito infP Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito inf Re: VMS error messages?  Re: VMS error messages?  Re: VMS error messages?  Re: VMS error messages?  Re: VMS error messages?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:12:58 -0000 & From: wspen....ap.org (Warren Spencer); Subject: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries? 1 Message-ID: <9699973B1wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   	 Hi Folks,   F The CMS documentation recommends DFS to provide network access to CMS H libraries.  Does anyone know if Multinet's NFS can be used instead?  It ! seems we already have licenses...    Thanks!    ws   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) ? Subject: Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries? . Message-ID: <dbm5b6$74q$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   wspen....ap.org (Warren Spencer) writes in article <9699973B1wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30> dated Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:12:58 -0000: G >The CMS documentation recommends DFS to provide network access to CMS  I >libraries.  Does anyone know if Multinet's NFS can be used instead?  It  " >seems we already have licenses...  G Some CMS features require file locking, I think.  Before you use access K libraries over a new protocol such as NFS, you should check to make sure it  works.   $ set def targetdisk:[dir] $ open x x.x /write   C (then on another terminal, node, or cluster -- whatever you have --   but accessing the same disk)  $ open x x.x /read  I You should get an error.  If you don't, the device locks are probably not  sufficient to support CMS.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:39:19 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ? Subject: Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries? 1 Message-ID: <rTwDe.8926$Jc.6975@news.cpqcorp.net>   Z In article <9699973B1wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>, wspen....ap.org (Warren Spencer) writes:  G :The CMS documentation recommends DFS to provide network access to CMS  I :libraries.  Does anyone know if Multinet's NFS can be used instead?  It  " :seems we already have licenses...  E   Depending on the client platform involved, I'd probably use the CMS G   client package, or some DECnet task-to-task, or I'd serve the library /   disk(s) to the OpenVMS host using clustering.   G   I have seen reports of "fun" with NFS when combined with CMS, as it's F   inherently a stateless block-oriented protocol and not really set up   for shared file access.   2   None of this is intended to slight Multinet NFS.      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:57:48 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ? Subject: Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries? 2 Message-ID: <01yDe.8933$fX7.2468@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <969999405wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>, wspe....@ap.org (Warren Spencer) writes:> :Maybe I misunderstood this, but I thought Multinet's NFS was  :equivalent to DFS.   A   DFS and NFS are different, despite the acronyms sharing two of     three letters.  J :I realize you're not a Process engineer, but would you know if there are J :differences in locking support between DFS and Multinet's NFS?  Or could J :there be another reason that CMS is ok with DFS, but may not be with NFS?  B   NFS doesn't do locking (by default; further depending on whetherC   or not the particular implementation has NFS locking).  DFS does. @   CMS needs locking, and it doesn't know how to use NFS locking.  C   I would recommend the CMS client, which uses neither DFS nor NFS, D   or some DECnet task-to-task DCL, or I'd serve the CMS library disk.   from a remote OpenVMS host using clustering.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:29:51 -0000 ( From: nospam@nospam.com (Warren Spencer)? Subject: Re: Anyone Using Multinet NFS to access CMS Libraries? 1 Message-ID: <9699B593Ewspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   & hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in( <01yDe.8933$fX7.2468@news.cpqcorp.net>:    > B >  DFS and NFS are different, despite the acronyms sharing two of  >  three letters.  > C >  NFS doesn't do locking (by default; further depending on whether D >  or not the particular implementation has NFS locking).  DFS does.A >  CMS needs locking, and it doesn't know how to use NFS locking.  > D >  I would recommend the CMS client, which uses neither DFS nor NFS,E >  or some DECnet task-to-task DCL, or I'd serve the CMS library disk / >  from a remote OpenVMS host using clustering.   C Thanks for the additional info (and the poke in the ribs ;-). Much   appreciated!   ws   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press wspen...@ap[dot]org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:03:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 , Message-ID: <42DE91DC.80F9AF5D@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: E > VMS is part of TSG. Printers are in IPG. PCs are in PSG. So a PC or 3 > printer person can't say "No" to VMS advertising.     5 Correct. But a wintel servers are enterprise aka TSG.   K Fact is that the VMS group won't have control over VMS advertising, the TSG K will. And TSG have Windows, HP-UX, Linux to market and just as in the past, ) they may not see the need to market VMS.    J What's I'd really like to see is a statement from Ann McQuaid stating that9 marketing of VMS as widely as possible is an imperative.    I I have seen many from the VMS group over the years making statements that K marketing of VMS would not yield results worth the cost of marketing, and I K fear that the marketing malaise may not be within HP , Compaq, Digital, but  rather with the VMS group.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2005 19:19:31 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 7 Message-ID: <Xns9699D92299FD1dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   E %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, JF Mezei wrote in news:42DE91DC.80F9AF5D@teksavvy.com    <snip>  E > Fact is that the VMS group won't have control over VMS advertising, H > the TSG will. And TSG have Windows, HP-UX, Linux to market and just as8 > in the past, they may not see the need to market VMS.   I Not being one to follow JF's seriously negative attitude, I'm interested  8 to see what comes out of the reshuffle and redundancies.  J VMS needs advertising, and I don't think there is anyone participating in F the newsgroup that would disageee with that.  Most people do not even H know it still exists.  We got the recent DECnet article up on the front H page of Slashdot, why didn't we get the release of 8.2 up there?  If we D genuinely have a new marketing structure then I'd expect us to have G really upbeat press releases that we can use to get stuff mentioned in  I more mainstream technology press.  If not, then it's back to the current  F situation which is "death by a thousand paper cuts".  I don't see the J press picking up on things like the Uptimes project and saying VMS has to I be pretty good stuff.  Whilst it might let us who know about VMS be smug  G about reliablility the information is not getting propagated to people   outside our circle.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:24:19 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 0 Message-ID: <11du1k6k8ihe020@corp.supernews.com>   Doc. wrote: & > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in* > news:11dt1fbs6bb363e@corp.supernews.com  >  >  >>Some serious 'shove it0 >>down their throats' marketing is long overdue. >  > N > Somehow I don't think you'll get any disagreement about that from anyone in  > the newsgroup. > N > I now have to deal with the fact that my employer has - over this weekend - - > attempted a migration from things like CMS.  > N > Strangely enough, there is at least one country where the support staff are L > threatening to walk out because the replacement system (Windows based) is : > useless in comparison to the home-grown tools using CMS. > K > This is partly down to this nonsense about replacing a dumb-terminal app  J > with something that works in a browser (then wondering why it takes ten  > times as long to do a task).  F When I got into this business, 1974, response time was an issue.  The I question was, how long after you hit the <CR> before the screen/hardcopy  8 (Yeah!) indicated that the computer was doing something.  E I haven't had to worry about 'response time' in many years.  Yeah, a  I browser is a nice 'one size fits all' user interface, and since everyone  E has a PC on their desk, (or under/beside/over/wherever), they have a  B browser, and can use browser interfact applications server by any  backend system.   H In 1974, we'd accept up to 2 seconds response time, then get concerned. I   I don't think I've seen a browser do anything in 2 seconds.  I thought  ; the idea was to advance, go forward, do better.  Guess not.   G Note, I have seen some applications where a browser is a great choice.  H For example, from home an employee can get on a system that serves them D pages showing the status of their retirement account.  It is a user * interface everyone can have.  Always gray.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:42:35 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP layoffs: 14,500 4 Message-ID: <42df0cb0$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net>   Doc. wrote: G > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, JF Mezei wrote in news:42DE91DC.80F9AF5D@teksavvy.com  >  > <snip> > F >> Fact is that the VMS group won't have control over VMS advertising,F >> the TSG will. And TSG have Windows, HP-UX, Linux to market and just; >> as in the past, they may not see the need to market VMS.  > ? > Not being one to follow JF's seriously negative attitude, I'm E > interested to see what comes out of the reshuffle and redundancies.  > : > VMS needs advertising, and I don't think there is anyoneE > participating in the newsgroup that would disageee with that.  Most D > people do not even know it still exists.  We got the recent DECnetA > article up on the front page of Slashdot, why didn't we get the @ > release of 8.2 up there?  If we genuinely have a new marketingC > structure then I'd expect us to have really upbeat press releases F > that we can use to get stuff mentioned in more mainstream technologyB > press.  If not, then it's back to the current situation which isE > "death by a thousand paper cuts".  I don't see the press picking up D > on things like the Uptimes project and saying VMS has to be prettyF > good stuff.  Whilst it might let us who know about VMS be smug aboutB > reliablility the information is not getting propagated to people > outside our circle.      Agreed.   F HP has to market VMS like the Republicans come out charging into everyH Democrat as being 'liberal' and 'pinko'. Not that VMS advertising has toK lie, but it has to be vocal and quickly counteract every negative statement : in the press and pro-actively get VMS into people's faces.       --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2005 20:12:20 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! + Message-ID: <dbmb740ke4@enews1.newsguy.com>   2 Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:E > Most users don't seem to want to pay membership fees; only a small  K > minority of either Encompass or Interex members were paid members -- the  J > vast majority were no-fee Associate members. HP World Magazine was paid   L I'd guess that there are two reasons for this, one is the economy, money forL memberships is scarce.  The other reason is that a large percentage of thoseD might be people that signed up to get the OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses.   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 21:36:14 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! 3 Message-ID: <Q7jF3yFVSFTt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <dbmb740ke4@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes: 4 > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:F >> Most users don't seem to want to pay membership fees; only a small L >> minority of either Encompass or Interex members were paid members -- the K >> vast majority were no-fee Associate members. HP World Magazine was paid   > N > I'd guess that there are two reasons for this, one is the economy, money for > memberships is scarce.  - Another is disappointing your installed base.   4 I would join if they changed the name back to DECUS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:51:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! , Message-ID: <42DF0DA7.40EE96BD@teksavvy.com>  J BTW, on CNET today, they were still serving ads for HPworld in August ....S Clicking on then brought you to an hpworld page explaining the event was cancelled.   M I wonder how quickly ads on the net can be pulled. I know that on TV, ads can J be changed/pulled very quickly under certain conditions. (for instance, an2 airline can pull TV ads right away after a crash).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:09:37 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> R Subject: Managing Evolution: OpenVMS on Itanium without Compromising Your BusinessR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB651470@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All,  D As I have mentioned before, CA is doing some good stuff with gettingF their Alpha OpenVMS products over to Itanium. Here is a pointer to the CA OpenVMS website:    http://www.ca.com/openvms   H In addition, the readers of this list may be interested in the following webinar sponsored by CA:J http://www.eseminarslive.com/article2/0,2144,1835722,00.asp?partnerref=3D= c  a072605client2  @ Managing Evolution: OpenVMS on Itanium without Compromising Your Business   Jul 26, 2005=20 2 4:00 p.m. Eastern / 1:00 p.m. Pacific (45 minutes)  	 Speakers: D Prabhakara Bhat, Product Manager - Computer Associates International Inc.1 John Egolf, Program Manager - Hewlett-Packard Co. % Wayne Sauer, President - PARSEC Group : Frank Derfler, VP, Market Experts Group - Ziff Davis Media  H It's the irony of IT that evolution is both necessary and stressful. One= of the latest evolutionary trends is the migration of OpenVMS @ applications from VAX and Alpha to Hewlett-Packard's new ItaniumC platform. For OpenVMS customers, this means making the move without F compromising data integrity while maximizing the benefits from current investments.=20   H This live, interactive eSeminar will help attendees effectively navigateA OpenVMS application migration on VAX and Alpha to the new Itanium G platform. Hewlett-Packard, Computer Associates and PARSEC professionals @ will be on hand to answer your questions about migrating OpenVMSF applications. You'll also take with you new knowledge about technologyA management solutions that will help lower risks to your business.   H Join Hewlett-Packard's John Egolf, Computer Associates' Prabhakara Bhat,H and Wayne Sauer, President of PARSEC, an HP and CA partner. Our panel of experts will discuss:=20   - The Road to Itanium=203 - Integrity Servers and the HP FastTrack program=20 " - Managing OpenVMS from OpenVMS=203 - Managing OpenVMS in multi-platform enterprises=20 C - Planning considerations, solutions and services to ease migration   3 Sponsored by Computer Associates International, Inc    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:13:50 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) : Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India2 Message-ID: <iFCDe.128$0f.55@tornado.texas.rr.com>  # GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com) wrote:  : 7 : But globalization is whose idea??  Is there an agenda ) : attached here somewhere and who exactly  : benefits from it?? :   . Here's an article that discusses those points:    )    http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z41C1577B E    HBS Working Knowledge: Globalization: Globalization Good for Whom?   & The original link, wrapped to 2 lines:  3    http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/pubitem.jhtml '    ?id=3029&sid=0&pid=0&t=globalization E    HBS Working Knowledge: Globalization: Globalization Good for Whom?     B The Economic Policy Institute has a guide on the offshoring issue:  :    http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issueguide_offshoring    Offshoring Issue Guide   > The guide's FAQ has a section on who benefits from offshoring:  >    http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issueguide_offshoring_faq<    Offshoring Issue Guide--Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)  #   "...Who benefits from offshoring?   I    Economists who advocate expanded trade are voluble in pointing out the E    benefits of trade, but they are taciturn about the distribution of I    these gains. Occasionally, even trade advocates will come clean on the H    skewed distribution of the benefits of trade, pointing out that tradeG    leads to both winners (those who end up with more income) and losers C    (those who end up with less). The second edition of the textbook C    International Economics: Theory and Policy , by Paul Krugman and I    Maurice Obtsfeld, sums it up best: Thus trade has a powerful effect on H    income distribution...owners of a country's abundant factor gain from?    trade, but owners of a country's scarce factor lose (p. 78).   	    [snip]   F    The consistently big winners from trade (especially offshoring) areK    capital-owners -- those who derive a significant portion of their income D    from profits. Profit rates rose in the 1990s relative to previousH    decades, and they recovered well before wage income did in the latestG    recovery. In fact, the current recovery is the most profit-biased on I    record in terms of income growth that is accruing to corporate profits !    as opposed to labor income..."    : M : Getting your degree in any particular field today will no longer guarantee  O : a continuing future career let alone any kind of hopes for a safe retirement.   L Getting a degree for U.S. citizens may be an expensive exercise in futility G as more employers embrace cheap foreign workers through offshoring and  % non-immigrant work visas (H-1B, L-1).    : = : If the accent is far enough alien, then the service is poor  : for the customer.  :   C That poor service could translate to some children going hungry in  A this country: 42 states have their welfare hotlines (food stamps)  answered in India:    )    http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y2FF53F29 (    Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offshore: I    How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts   & The original link, wrapped to 2 lines:  4    http://www.washtech.org/reports/TaxDollarsAtWork/    offshoring_finaltext_pdf.pdf (    Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offshore: I    How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts   G   "...Interviews with EBT officials in every state and the District of      Columbia reveal that:  M    o Before the offshoring controversy began, the call centers for 42 states  J      and the District of Columbia were operating offshore. In most cases, E      this occurred because the states gave EBT contracts to Citibank  I      Electronic Financial Services, which in turn subcontracted the call  J      center work to an Indian firm called MsourcE. (In 2003 Citibank sold H      the business to J.P. Morgan Chase, which continued to use MsourcE.)L      A smaller number of states ended up with offshore call centers through H      their EBT contracts with eFunds Corporation or Affiliated Computer       Services Inc.  L    o As a result of the controversy, one state (New Jersey) has brought its N      call center back to the United States, and five states (Arizona, Kansas, G      North Carolina, Oregon and Wisconsin) are planning to do the same.   M    o Eight states (Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, Texas,  N      and Wyoming) avoided the use of offshore call centers because they hired 4      EBT contractors that used domestic facilities."     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:29:46 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>: Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India( Message-ID: <42DF24BA.CD27A1D5@mist.com>  
 leslie wrote:  > % > GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com) wrote:  > : 9 > : But globalization is whose idea??  Is there an agenda + > : attached here somewhere and who exactly  > : benefits from it?? > :  > 0 > Here's an article that discusses those points: > + >    http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z41C1577B G >    HBS Working Knowledge: Globalization: Globalization Good for Whom?  > ( > The original link, wrapped to 2 lines: > 5 >    http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/pubitem.jhtml ) >    ?id=3029&sid=0&pid=0&t=globalization G >    HBS Working Knowledge: Globalization: Globalization Good for Whom?  > D > The Economic Policy Institute has a guide on the offshoring issue: > < >    http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issueguide_offshoring >    Offshoring Issue Guide  > @ > The guide's FAQ has a section on who benefits from offshoring: > @ >    http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issueguide_offshoring_faq> >    Offshoring Issue Guide--Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) > % >   "...Who benefits from offshoring?  > K >    Economists who advocate expanded trade are voluble in pointing out the G >    benefits of trade, but they are taciturn about the distribution of K >    these gains. Occasionally, even trade advocates will come clean on the J >    skewed distribution of the benefits of trade, pointing out that tradeI >    leads to both winners (those who end up with more income) and losers E >    (those who end up with less). The second edition of the textbook E >    International Economics: Theory and Policy , by Paul Krugman and K >    Maurice Obtsfeld, sums it up best: Thus trade has a powerful effect on J >    income distribution...owners of a country's abundant factor gain fromA >    trade, but owners of a country's scarce factor lose (p. 78).  >  >    [snip]  > H >    The consistently big winners from trade (especially offshoring) areM >    capital-owners -- those who derive a significant portion of their income F >    from profits. Profit rates rose in the 1990s relative to previousJ >    decades, and they recovered well before wage income did in the latestI >    recovery. In fact, the current recovery is the most profit-biased on K >    record in terms of income growth that is accruing to corporate profits # >    as opposed to labor income..."  >  > : N > : Getting your degree in any particular field today will no longer guaranteeQ > : a continuing future career let alone any kind of hopes for a safe retirement.  > M > Getting a degree for U.S. citizens may be an expensive exercise in futility H > as more employers embrace cheap foreign workers through offshoring and' > non-immigrant work visas (H-1B, L-1).  >  > : ? > : If the accent is far enough alien, then the service is poor  > : for the customer.  > :  > D > That poor service could translate to some children going hungry inC > this country: 42 states have their welfare hotlines (food stamps)  > answered in India: > + >    http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y2FF53F29 ) >    Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offshore: K >    How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts  > ( > The original link, wrapped to 2 lines: > 6 >    http://www.washtech.org/reports/TaxDollarsAtWork/! >    offshoring_finaltext_pdf.pdf ) >    Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offshore: K >    How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts  > H >   "...Interviews with EBT officials in every state and the District of >    Columbia reveal that: > N >    o Before the offshoring controversy began, the call centers for 42 statesK >      and the District of Columbia were operating offshore. In most cases, F >      this occurred because the states gave EBT contracts to CitibankJ >      Electronic Financial Services, which in turn subcontracted the callK >      center work to an Indian firm called MsourcE. (In 2003 Citibank sold J >      the business to J.P. Morgan Chase, which continued to use MsourcE.)M >      A smaller number of states ended up with offshore call centers through I >      their EBT contracts with eFunds Corporation or Affiliated Computer  >      Services Inc. > M >    o As a result of the controversy, one state (New Jersey) has brought its O >      call center back to the United States, and five states (Arizona, Kansas, I >      North Carolina, Oregon and Wisconsin) are planning to do the same.  > N >    o Eight states (Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, Texas,O >      and Wyoming) avoided the use of offshore call centers because they hired 6 >      EBT contractors that used domestic facilities." >    Very well packaged. :-) 9 It looks like the old Jefferson vs. Hamilton debate about  money still holds true. < Hamilton, IRC, said that all the money issued can eventually be taken back from the people.8 It seems that greed these days for profit has no bounds.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:58:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: OPERATING & AMBIENT TEMPERATURE for ES40 , Message-ID: <42DE90D9.682FE252@teksavvy.com>   John Brandon wrote: J > So, question still stands, is the operating temperature the same as room > ambient temperature?    N Assuming proper ventilation in the room, yes. But make sure you systems aren't0 placed next to a radiator, or hot air outlet :-)  N Essentially, you're looking at the temperature of the air that is being sucked into the cabinet.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 11:27:31 -0700( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net>+ Subject: printing from MS Excel through VMS B Message-ID: <1121884051.267064.63700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  A We are attempting to generate some forms for use on a VMS system.   D The user is encouraged to design a form in EXCEL, and when finished,E use the "print to a file" option. This produces a file of PJL and PCL  code.   G So far, we only want to print the bare form. We will add data later and   that may present other problems.  D So, with this "print to a file" output, we can FTP the file directlyG from the workstation (XP Prof.) to the printer (HP Laserjet 4200n), and  it works 100%.  % We then Ftp (binary) the file to VMS.   D At this point, if we again FTP directly from VMS to the same printer IP/port address, it works 100%.   F However, if we say $ Print <file> /que=<printer> - using a queue buildC on the same printer we used for the FTP commands, we get gibberish. E Some of the form comes out OK - mostly the column and row headings in 0 plain text.  All shading and all lines are lost.  D We would really like to be able to send these jobs (ultimately) to a; queued printer rather than the direct-FTP model that works.   
 I tried using     the default form         result: failed.<    a form with /lines=255 and /width=65535(?) and no modules        result: failed.;    our garden variety Portrait form (uses modules to reset, .    then set simplex, portrait, 6lpi, pitch=10)        result: failed.   Any suggestions?   Denny    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:45:31 -0400  From: John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> / Subject: Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS ' Message-ID: <42DE9BC0.EE800779@doe.org>    denny wrote:F > The user is encouraged to design a form in EXCEL, and when finished,G > use the "print to a file" option. This produces a file of PJL and PCL  > code.  >   ! You should use postcript instead.     H > However, if we say $ Print <file> /que=<printer> - using a queue buildE > on the same printer we used for the FTP commands, we get gibberish.   J You may wish to clarify your use of the term "FTP". FTP is a file transfer+ protocol, few printers if any support this.   % VMS does not support FTP to printers.   F > We would really like to be able to send these jobs (ultimately) to a= > queued printer rather than the direct-FTP model that works.     < Are you using DCPS,  ? Which print queue symbiont is used ? T (show queue/full will tell you which processor/symbiont is in charge of that queue).  L If you do a dir/full or the PCL files, what does it show ?  You need to findM oiut if this is a text format or a binary format. If it is a text format, you C may need to do text transfers from your wintel box to the VMS box.    H If you are using a simple text symbiont to the printer, you will need toI ensure it doesn't fold lines, doesn't expand tabs etc etc, and if this is C though a terminal device such as LAT: you also nee dto set terminal N characterictics to be /PASTHROUGH and /NOHOSTSYNC/NOTTSYNC if you wish to have< true transparence (assuming there is hardware flow control).  D In other words, if you are attemtingf to pass binary data via a textS interface, you need to muck with that text interface not to filter any of the data.   8 You may wish to look into DCPS which can now handle PCL.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:26:34 -0400 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>/ Subject: Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS , Message-ID: <dbmfic$l2m$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi,   4 "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> wrote in message < news:1121884051.267064.63700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [snip]H > However, if we say $ Print <file> /que=<printer> - using a queue buildE > on the same printer we used for the FTP commands, we get gibberish. G > Some of the form comes out OK - mostly the column and row headings in 2 > plain text.  All shading and all lines are lost. >    Try:  ' $ Print <file> /que=<printer>  /passall   I /passall tells the print symbiont to not interpret any data in the print  8 stream - just send it along to the destination device...   HTH,   Paul     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:00:39 -0500 . From: Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com>+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS 7 Message-ID: <4ccd7$42df0fd8$186088ed$26230@KNOLOGY.NET>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on H > VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as H > output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different G > size, gamma correction etc.  I also need the possibility to crop the  B > image.  That's all I really need, nothing fancy.  Best would be H > something which is already installed on VMS by default as part of the D > DECwindows apps or something.  Freeware and/or something from the @ > hobbyist CD would also be an option.  What do folks recommend? > C > I really need just the bare minimum of features.  What I want is  3 > something which is easy to use and easy to learn.  >       H Although a lot of other folks have recommended ImageMagick, I've got to A put my opinion in, especially since you asked for "easy-to-use".  C ImageMagick has a lot of potential, but after having spent 2 weeks  B trying to get it built on OpenVMS, I have to say it's a nightmare.  E You may get lucky if you can find an old Freeware CD and can survive  G with a v3 or early v4 version that was complete on the CD.  I can't --  G the JPEG format generated by my camera uses too new a JPEG standard to  F work with the old versions.  However, later versions as they exist on G the Freeware CDs, are totally useless.  Yes, there's an exe there, but   none of them work.  D If you go out to the net and find all the necessary instructions to G build ImageMagick and the dozens of modules that you've got to collect  D from the dozens of websites, ftp sites, CVS, sourceforge, and other F locations, and then can figure out how to tie them all together (this G part has NO instructions -- which components go in Sys$Library?  Which  G ones need mods to Include files?  Which do you use as OLB?  OBJ?  EXE?  * Guess.) you might get an executable built.  H This is NOT a "$ Product install ImageMagick" program.  You better have I a recent C compiler, MMK or MMS or some other Make-capable utility, lots  H of time, and a lot of patience.  This is an excellent example of U*X at H its worst -- tremendous amounts of manual labor with dozens of programs = written dozens of different ways with dozens of non-standard   implementations.  F I've not found anyone who's gotten it built and will admit to it.  If H someone's got a recent version of it built, I strongly urge them to put G a COMPLETE build on the next Freeware CD, and make it available on the  I web, so that other people can use it.  Not just the ImageMagick EXE with  F no optional modules linked in, but something that is useful with JPEG ) files; MPEG utilities would be nice, too.   E Until that happens, unless you want to do the above, I recommend you   stay away from ImageMagick.   
 <Rant off> Aaron    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:19:54 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>- Subject: Re: Trolltech Qt Library for OpenVMS B Message-ID: <42deb1eb$0$16649$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Rick wrote: G > Thanks for the reference, Keith.  It turns out Rainer ported Qt 2.1.0 D > back in 2000 - I found his code is in the DECUS archives yesterdayH > (thanks Glenn).  I am looking at it right now, trying to apply some ofA > what he did to Qt V3.3.4, but he has already told me he was not G > successful in porting Qt V3.x, so I expect to find plenty of problems H > today.  We haven't installed Qt V4 yet, but if I am going to put a lotG > of effort into porting Qt, I will probably start with V4, which means E > we will have to upgrade our development systems here and retest our E > applications before I can get back to porting Qt.  So much code, so  > little time... >   F Thanks Rick, for reporting back. In addition to Kerry's suggestion, I F would mention that the porting of a recent Qt might be of interest to I many others. Since Qt is the basis of several GUI-oriented applications,  F some companies and individuals might be motivated to contribute to an 5 "organized" effort to provide a recent Qt on OpenVMS.   G With OpenVMS 8.2, the latest version of C and "The Jackets" as well as  G utilities provided by other software porting efforts (see below). Now,  5 it might also be easier to port Qt than back in 2000.     8 HP OpenVMS porting library - also known as "The Jackets"; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.html   ( Open Source Tools - Ported to HP OpenVMS4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html   UNIX Portability Initiative 0 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/index.html  2 autoconf for VMS - Thien-Thi Nguyen (ttn) Freeware9 http://www.glug.org/people/ttn/software/autoconf-for-vms/   & Superversion for OpenVMS - Thierry USOS http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/disk1.tar.bz2   F PCSI Kits of Open Source Software for OpenVMS - Jean-Franois Pironne, http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  2 OpenVMS ports of Freeware software - HREM TU Delft3 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html   % Open Source Material - Quadratrix gcv ; http://www.quadratrix.be/products/open_source_material.html   % OpenSource on OpenVMS porting project  http://www.4ovms.dyndns.org/  < OpenVMS Open Source porting bulletin board and PORTING GUIDE" http://www.4ovms.dyndns.org/phpbb/   OpenOffice on OpenVMS Project  http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/  1 OpenOffice on OpenVMS Project - GNV Tools Section " http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/gnv/   VAMP Bulletin Board $ http://www.issinoho.com:8080/phpbb2/    7 Here are a couple more postings regarding Qt on OpenVMS   C http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/faf11fbba70f180 D http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/d0175f0c364d860f< http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2003-05/msg00738.html   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:13:24 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Y Subject: Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito inf L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2007052213260001@user-105n99i.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleF <OF0E13E6C8.76C92CD9-ON85257044.0052D758-85257044.0052FFAE@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    >[Repost, in text-only I hope] >  >From ENTmag.com: 1 >Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus  >  >by Stuart Johnston  > I >7/19/2005--Intel is shipping a pair of new Itanium 2 processors that aim E >to boost the chips' performance in compute intensive applications by   >increasing bus transfer speeds. >  > I >Both new CPUs run at 1.6 GHz and provide a front-side bus (FSB) speed of G >667 MHz, according to the Santa Clara, Calif.-based chip manufacturer. 2 >Previous Itanium 2s have an FSB speed of 400 MHz.  G There's been an Itanium 2 with 533 MHz FSB for a while.  HP offers this  CPU in the rx1620 system.   G (Note:  there's a terminology problem here.  The "400 MHz" FSB actually C runs at 200 MHz and transfers data on both clock edges.  It is more F properly refered to as 400 M transfers/second.  Similarly for the "533F MHz" and "667 MHz" FSB speeds.  Obviously this is a case where Intel's# marketers outranked the engineers.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:11:17 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: Two New Itanium 2s Feature Faster Front-Side Bus - Is this new Montecito inf = Message-ID: <iIudnb86YPt7MkPfRVn-3Q@metrocastcablevision.com>    Keith Parris wrote:  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > & >>  Is this new Montecito information? >  > : > I certainly hadn't seen this statement in public before: > G > "Intel said it expects that systems running on the Montecito CPU will C > deliver up to twice the performance, up to three times the system J > bandwidth, and more than 2 1/2 times as much on-die cache as the current$ > generation of Itanium processors."  H Intel has been making statements along these lines for many months, but = only recently has it become completely clear (e.g., by their  H quantitative cache comparison above) that they referred to *per-socket* + performance, not to *per-core* performance.   H In other words, they expect each Montecito core to offer about the same I performance as a current Madison II core (not too surprising, as they'll  G clock only at 1.8 GHz nominal, 2.0 GHz max), but since there'll be two  G of those cores per socket the per-socket performance will about double.   F More specifically, 'up to twice the performance' should be relatively H easy to achieve where there are enough concurrent threads to distribute A over the dual cores and where the overall chip bandwidth isn't a  H constraint (by contrast, single-thread performance won't improve much). H   But 'up to three times the system bandwidth' will occur only with new F accompanying chipsets (Intel isn't developing any, but HP and Fujitsu H reportedly are) that can match the new FSB speeds and (again) only on a I per-socket, not a per-core, basis - so best-case per-core improvement is  G more like 50% with the new chipsets, and just plugging Montecitos into  G existing systems won't achieve any per-core bandwidth increase at all.  I And 'more than 2 1/2 times as much on-die cache' yet again doesn't apply  I per-core since I'm pretty sure that the two cores don't share cache with  G each other, so any given thread will have only about 33% more cache to   use than it has today.  E Intel is also being outright mendacious in other performance claims.  % For example, this Inquirer article (  D http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24459 ) uncritically parrots an E Intel press release touting Montecito as offering 60% higher LINPACK  H performance than POWER5, without noting the fact that they're comparing H the performance of a quad-chip, 8-core Montecito system against that of H a dual-chip, quad-core POWER5 system (IBM does sell a quad-chip, 8-core G POWER5 system, of course, and it handily beats the LINPACK performance  . reported for the comparable Montecito system).  ! Just to keep the record straight.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:17:04 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net>   Subject: Re: VMS error messages?B Message-ID: <AywDe.5927$dU3.2350@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>  
 Jim wrote:A > I'm not looking for an answer to this problem, just making the  F > observation that the New Hampshire (US) State E-ZPass web server is F > apparently running VMS.  I tried to check "vehicle/tag maintenance"  > and got this message:  > E >   Other database error on table t_Device. Original Message: Prepare F >   failed for dynamic SQL statement 1203, error from database is: RdbF >   SQL PREPARE failed. %COSI-F-VASFULL, virtual address space full - 4 >   SYSTEM-F-ILLPAGCNT, illegal page count parameter > G > My VMS knowledge is rusty (the last system I touched, years ago, was  B > V5.3), but I don't think "virtual address space full" is a good 
 > thing... >  > Jim   E Sucks to be them. I wonder if they even know this app is crashing. So  close to Nashua, yet so far.  H After submitting the request, how long did it take before this error was returned to your client?   Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:04:03 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>   Subject: Re: VMS error messages?& Message-ID: <DexDe.68$U%6.15@fe05.lga>  
 Jim wrote:A > I'm not looking for an answer to this problem, just making the  F > observation that the New Hampshire (US) State E-ZPass web server is F > apparently running VMS.  I tried to check "vehicle/tag maintenance"  > and got this message:  > E >   Other database error on table t_Device. Original Message: Prepare F >   failed for dynamic SQL statement 1203, error from database is: RdbF >   SQL PREPARE failed. %COSI-F-VASFULL, virtual address space full - 4 >   SYSTEM-F-ILLPAGCNT, illegal page count parameter > G > My VMS knowledge is rusty (the last system I touched, years ago, was  B > V5.3), but I don't think "virtual address space full" is a good 
 > thing...   $ HELP/MESSAGE VASFULL  ' VASFULL,  virtual address space is full   % Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services   D Explanation:  The virtual address space is full. This condition can A occur if the attempted operation exceeds a settable quota or the  # architectural limits of the system.   F On a VAX system, if this message is associated with a vector disabled H (VECDIS) status code, insufficient process virtual address space exists A to allow the current process's mainline vector state to be saved.   H User Action:  On Alpha systems prior to Version 7.0 or on any version of; VAX, the virtual address space limit is set by the lower of  the following values:   A o The value set by the /PGFLQUOTA qualifier in the ADD or MODIFY  ! commands of the AUTHORIZE utility   2 o The value of the VIRTUALPAGECNT system parameter  F On these systems, the value set by /PGFLQUOTA is usually the problem. G /PGFLQUOTA should not be set below 1024. By default, /PGFLQUOTA is set  H to 32768 pages on VAX systems and 50000 pagelets on Alpha systems. (See A HP OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference Manual: A-L for  G details.) If you raise the value set by /PGFLQUOTA, be sure to log out  I and log in again before retrying the operation that produced the VASFULL   error.  I For OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.0 and later, VIRTUALPAGECNT is not a factor.  E If you change the value of the VIRTUALPAGECNT system parameter on an  ? earlier version or on a VAX system, you must reboot the system.   H Some system services can return VASFULL when an allocation will fill or H exceed P0 space. For example, a call to SYS$CRMPSC of one billion bytes I (2 million blocks) or more will exceed the available P0 space and return   a VASFULL error.  F On OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.0 and later, 64-bit addressing permits the I use of P2 space, allowing larger allocations. For example, you can use a  E 64-bit addressing variation of SYS$CRMPSC. (At the DCL prompt, enter  I "HELP System_Services" to view a list of the $CRMPSC_*64 system services  D for OpenVMS Alpha.) On OpenVMS VAX, user programs are limited to an I architectural maximum of two billion bytes (the total capacity of P0 and  & P1 space), less any existing contents.     $ HELP/MESSAGE ILLPAGCNT  ( ILLPAGCNT,  illegal page count parameter  % Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services   F Explanation:  The number of pages specified for an expand or contract  region request is less than 1.  H User Action:  Check for a programming error; verify the number of pages  specified for the service call.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:25:49 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>   Subject: Re: VMS error messages?% Message-ID: <0zxDe.75$U%6.1@fe05.lga>   
 Jim wrote:A > I'm not looking for an answer to this problem, just making the     Sorry!  Misread the orig post.  
 Nevermind.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:57:09 -0500  From: Jim <none@example.com>  Subject: Re: VMS error messages?0 Message-ID: <VaCdnQWu7YYIMUPfRVn-qg@comcast.com>  . Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> wrote in; news:AywDe.5927$dU3.2350@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:    @ > After submitting the request, how long did it take before this$ > error was returned to your client?  F I thought it was very quickly, but I just tried it again to be sure.   Now it's working...    Jim    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2005 22:45:22 -0700& From: "Mister Q" <pquodling@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: VMS error messages?C Message-ID: <1121924722.248128.110860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   @ There are quiet a number of VMS Systems, fronting internet basedG applications - I have been involved with a few... There really needs to C be a little Icon, showing just that. Of course, a good sysadmin has G alarming on any errors coming out of their logs, and and will have seen  and adapted to that...     Peter    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.403 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                      