1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 405       Contents:N Re: Building SIMH V3.4 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 / CC V6.5 - errors - any ideas?P Re: Building SIMH V3.4 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 / CC V6.5 - errors - any ideas? - Re: Exabyte 220 robot blues.P Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language   Search   EngP Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language Search   EnginP Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language Search   EnginO Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language Search Engine  Re: Interex is Dead! Re: Interex is Dead!1 Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India & Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS& Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS& Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS& Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS$ Re: VT420 Console - a quick question  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:19:52 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> W Subject: Re: Building SIMH V3.4 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 / CC V6.5 - errors - any ideas? * Message-ID: <42E03BA8.1060904@bigpond.com>  # Colin Butcher mentioned in passing: M > Got this output from building SIMH V3.4 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 on an AS800 M > (and V7.3-1 on a PWS500au) using DECC V6.5 and MMS from DECset (see below):  > J > Anyone else tripped over this? I'd like to have the PDP11, VAX and DEC10N > simulators running ASAP for a system I'm helping to set up for the Bletchley# > Park computer museum (Retrobeep).  >   
 	[...snip...]   ( > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 4 undefined symbols:" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         BadCmPSL  > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         op_cis" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         op_cmode! > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         op_octa    	[...snip..]  ; When I tried to build it I found the descrip.mms file to be 6 "broken"... fixing it involved adding the continuation# character (\) to some of the lines. 9 I also got the above undefined symbols -- it appears that 9 three modules were not being compiled (as a result of the 9 broken descrip.mms?), they are VAX_CMODE.C, VAX_CIS.C and 
 VAX_OCTA.C: I think I also had to use MMS/IGNORE=WARN to get things to build successfully.    Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:31:58 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> Y Subject: Re: Building SIMH V3.4 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 / CC V6.5 - errors - any ideas? - 1 Message-ID: <OKSDe.9040$D11.699@news.cpqcorp.net>    Colin Butcher wrote:M > Got this output from building SIMH V3.4 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 on an AS800 M > (and V7.3-1 on a PWS500au) using DECC V6.5 and MMS from DECset (see below):  > J > Anyone else tripped over this? I'd like to have the PDP11, VAX and DEC10N > simulators running ASAP for a system I'm helping to set up for the Bletchley# > Park computer museum (Retrobeep).  > : > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol decc$gxvsnprintf multiply definedM >         in module DECC$SHR_EV56 file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR_EV56.EXE;1 9 > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol decc$gxsnprintf multiply defined M >         in module DECC$SHR_EV56 file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR_EV56.EXE;1 H > %MMS-F-ABORT, For target PDP11, CLI returned abort status: %X10648268.  E Obsolete coding practice, the code has a local routine with the same  E name as a X/OPEN standard routine name.  This is not just an OpenVMS  1 issue, it affects several other platforms at all.   I Fix Part 1.  Find the source routine named snprintf and change it's name  ( to simh_snprintf or something like that.  H Fix Part 2.  For systems that supply a snprintf() routine, like OpenVMS I 7.3-2 and later, do not compile in the replacement simh_snprintf routine.   I Fix Part 3.  For systems that do not supply a snprintf() routine, in the  J appropriate global include file, typically named *config.h, add the lines:   #define snprintf simh_snprintf.   
 [soap box]H It is very risky to have a extern visible routine with exactly the same D name as a routine defined in X/OPEN UNIX standard.  This has a high I probability of causing problems with any platform that has an optimizing   compiler or shared libraries.   I This same issue has bit other open source programs that have been ported  G to VMS and I have seen reports of it causing problems on UNIX oriented  ' mailing lists for open source programs.   A To get the default and expected *OLD* UNIX like behavior on some  I platforms, you have to disable quite a bit of compiler optimizations and  C only use object libraries for linking.  Otherwise you only get the  I intended result if the real routine is missing and the compiler does not    know how to optimize it in line.  I Note that DECC/COMPAQ/HP C compiler for VMS knows how to optimize inline  H quite a few of the standard UNIX functions, including some that are not  yet available in the CRTL.  E To repeat, OpenVMS may be a little more sensitive to this than other  . platforms, but this is a cross platform issue.  I If you need to supply a replacement routine for a standard UNIX routine,  I it needs to have a different name than the standard UNIX routine if that  % name is going to have "extern" scope.   H As HP improves it's UNIX portability on OpenVMS, probably more of these E will show up.  As it is, this very issue is showing up on this forum   more than twice a year.  [/soap box]   ( > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 4 undefined symbols:" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         BadCmPSL  > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         op_cis" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         op_cmode! > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         op_octa    Sorry, can not help with those.   4 > SYSTEM on XDVMS2 $ mms/macro=("__ALPHA__=1") pdp10 >  > - >             fprintf (st, "%012o  ", h->ac); ' > ....................................^ H > %CC-W-OUTTYPELEN, In this statement, this argument to fprintf is of "aN > signed integer 64" type and is not appropriate for the conver sion specifierN > "%012o".  The value might be truncated or formatted in an unintended manner.B > at line number 2177 in file SYS$DISK:[000000.PDP10]PDP10_CPU.C;1 > ; >                 fprintf (st, "(undefined) %012o", h->ir); 5 > ..................................................^ H > %CC-W-OUTTYPELEN, In this statement, this argument to fprintf is of "aN > signed integer 64" type and is not appropriate for the conver sion specifierN > "%012o".  The value might be truncated or formatted in an unintended manner.B > at line number 2181 in file SYS$DISK:[000000.PDP10]PDP10_CPU.C;1K > %MMS-F-ABORT, For target SYS$DISK:[.LIB]PDP10-AXP.OLB, CLI returned abort  > status: %X10B91260.   C The compiler's optimizer has determined that it can optimize those  I fprintf() statements into more efficient code, and after doing this, has  F discovered that you are supplying a 64 bit unsigned value to a format F code that not valid for it.  Most likely an artifact that the natural ' integer size on VMS is 32 bits, not 64.   I If these values have more than 32 significant bits in them, the compiler  , just let you know about something important.  E If not, then a logical and for the parameter with 0xFFFFFFFF  on the  ! code may make the compiler happy.    -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:41:16 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: Exabyte 220 robot blues. + Message-ID: <42E05CCB.A56CE538@comcast.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > @ > I have a feeling this is `user is an idiot', and I've forgoten# > something simple in the set up...  > A > I have just got a 220 robot with a Mammoth 8900 drive for home, > > and hooked it to the VLC running 7.2. That's because the VLCD > does not weigh 90lbs! Drive works fine, backup seems to be a happy$ > camper, but MRU, aka ROBOT is not. > = > Loaded the GK driver, defined the MRU_ROBOT logical, but...  > @ > ROBOT GKA0 is not responding: Operating system specific error.4 > %ROBOT-E-OS_ERROR, Operating system specific error  F The robot in a TZ887, for example, is at LUN 1. If the drive's SCSI Id= is 5, for example, as MKA500:, the robot can be found at 501:   . $ MC SYSMAN IO LOAD GKA501/DRIVER=SYS$GKDRIVER  D Dunno if that gives any insight into what the Mammoth may offer, but hope it helps, anyway...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:46:14 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> Y Subject: Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language   Search   Eng + Message-ID: <3ka93bFtlj5eU1@individual.net>   - On 2005-07-21 18:36, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:   E > Well, actually I am (now) getting many more results which are also  5                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ J > mostly matching the query on following pages. However the search engine .                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^H > is still substituting my keywords with synonyms. If you try the query G > above, the word "sample" is used as an equivalent for "Example", and  E > also finds matches with "VMS" and "Sample", but no "Example" in it.   G That is *exactly* my problem -- in most cases I get results ("hits") in F the 4- to 5-digit number range; I suspect the keywords concatenated by? "+" are interpreted as "contains *any* of the words" instead of  "contains *all* of the words".   > [...]  > C > I don't believe they have improved the interpretation of special  J > characters like "$" "-" or "[" yet. If I try to find F$EDIT, the search 1 > engine uses EDIT and ignores the F and $ signs.    That's another problem ...   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:46:12 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>Y Subject: Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language Search   Engin + Message-ID: <3kafslFtj1m1U1@individual.net>    Keith Cayemberg wrote: >...B > I don't believe they have improved the interpretation of specialB > characters like "$" "-" or "[" yet. If I try to find F$EDIT, the8 > search engine uses EDIT and ignores the F and $ signs. >...  G Don't hold your breath, the ITRC people knew that the search engine was D broken before they shutdown the old (slow but usable) WIS interface.F Rather than taking the problem up the chain of command and telling theF boss that a mistake was made they simply told me that the decision was made and would not be changed.  G Remember when people at DEC were told "Do the right thing" and problems D would get raised to whatever level it took to get them fixed? I miss those days.    --  Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:01:53 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language Search   Engin 0 Message-ID: <11e0dl4qjf65md4@corp.supernews.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >  >>... B >>I don't believe they have improved the interpretation of specialB >>characters like "$" "-" or "[" yet. If I try to find F$EDIT, the8 >>search engine uses EDIT and ignores the F and $ signs. >>...  >  > I > Don't hold your breath, the ITRC people knew that the search engine was F > broken before they shutdown the old (slow but usable) WIS interface.H > Rather than taking the problem up the chain of command and telling theH > boss that a mistake was made they simply told me that the decision was  > made and would not be changed. > I > Remember when people at DEC were told "Do the right thing" and problems F > would get raised to whatever level it took to get them fixed? I miss
 > those days.   E Maybe this is a real good topic to approach Mark Hurd with.  If he's  I interested in customer satisfaction, then he might not like anyone below  E the decision maker, or his supervisor, telling customers such things.   D Then again, I've yet to be convinced that HP cares about customers. A That particular part of Compaq is probably the worst part of the   acquisition.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jul 2005 19:38:45 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> X Subject: Re: Finding OpenVMS Programming Examples in HP's Natural Language Search EngineC Message-ID: <1121999925.775796.317910@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote:  E > Then again, I've yet to be convinced that HP cares about customers. B > That particular part of Compaq is probably the worst part of the > acquisition. >    There was a good part?  ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:20:14 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! 2 Message-ID: <ycVDe.9070$z91.5171@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: C > Has the US group formerly known as DECUS made any announcement ?     Yes:  ! Media interviews with Encompass:  5 http://www.itworld.com/Man/3828/050720encompass/ and  Q http://computerworld.com/managementtopics/management/story/0,10801,103347,00.html    Press release from Encompass: = http://www.encompassus.org/images/pdfs/press_release72005.pdf   O > In europe, it seems that Interex had merged with the groups formerly known as O > DECUS from Europe. Does this mean that both are now sinking ? Or will Interex  > europe survive ?  I The European group is organizationally separate and independent from the  $ US Interex, so should be unaffected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:21:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Interex is Dead! , Message-ID: <42E03BF6.DC317C28@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Press release from Encompass: ? > http://www.encompassus.org/images/pdfs/press_release72005.pdf   L Interesting, a press released dated JUNE 20th which foresees Interx's demise of July 18th :-)  ( (obviously a typo in the press release).  K While it mentions the actual conference which may adopt some of the Interex N event's sessions, it doesn't mention much in terms of providing a "user group"H for HP customers. (legacy HP that is, not legacy Digital which encompass inherited from DECUS).  M Is it likely that an Interex will be reborn to cater to HP=UX , MPE and other F HP-legacy products in the USA ? Or will Encompass start to cater to HP customers ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:05:53 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> : Subject: Re: Offshore Telephone Technical support to India0 Message-ID: <11e0dsjsft3vt59@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > H >>The first is likely to change as more and more US companies get burnedG >>by the lack of security or the ability to recover loses in the courts < >>when their security is violated in theose other countries. >  >  > O > You may find that other countries have far more sringent data protection laws M > than the USA. The USA is way behind the rest of the civilised world in that " > matter at the legislative level. > G > Remember that in the USA, there have been many incidents of passenger G > reservation data being handed over to consulting firms who used it in M > powerpoint presentatiosn in large public conferences (not knowing they were  > using live real data). > M > If India wants business from european nations for instance, it need to have O > proper data privacy laws whose standards are way above what the USA has. (and L > in fact the partriot act simply bypasses any data privacy laws the USA may3 > have and thus renders such laws totally useless).  > L > The fact that some large UK banks such as HSBC have outsourced some of theL > work and telephone support to India means that India has data privacy laws% > sufficient to allow this to happen.   D You really deserve your reputation.  We've already seen cases where E India has inadequate protection for software.  I doubt data would be  1 much better off.  The issue is India, not Europe.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jul 2005 10:55:21 -0700( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net>/ Subject: Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS C Message-ID: <1121968521.575586.324730@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Paul, ; thanks for the suggestion. We have tried that, but no luck.  denny    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jul 2005 13:56:34 -0700( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net>/ Subject: Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS B Message-ID: <1121979394.941266.81170@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  . We are using TCPIP services for VMS (from HP).  ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 4 .   on a AlphaServer ES40 running OpenVMS V7.3-1    The symbiont is TCPIP$TELNETSYM.  ! We do not have DCPS at this site.   ) Postscript is not an option at this site.   = In the TCPIP manual, Chapter 25, it says (in part) "...unless G TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP is defined for the queue."  How do I define one F of these control logicals for a particular queue? All that I have usedC have always been system wide and have affected all of the symbionts ! (about 30 in all on our cluster).   
 Any thoughts?    thanks   denny    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jul 2005 21:18:02 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au/ Subject: Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS B Message-ID: <1122005882.337343.99450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  ; I have previously put telnetsym defines in a user login.com 8 for specific printing requirements which differ from the( standard (system) logical name settings.< You could also use define/user just before the print command Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:57:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: printing from MS Excel through VMS , Message-ID: <42E07CC0.C7C07863@teksavvy.com>  J If you are using the TELNETSYM, then I strongly recommend you download the  TCPIP Services Management Manual  M ( http://www.hp.com/go/vms  and then look for the VMS documentation web site, ) then look for the TCPIP Services product.   H There is a whole chapter on TELNETSYM, including much about what sort of processing it does to the data.       J Logicals must be defined /SYSTEM at the time you start the queue, and onceM queue is started, you can deassign the logical. (eg: logical translation done ! only once when queue is started).     S The other thing you need to look at is the /PASSALL parameter of the PRINT command.    (help print /passall)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:52:14 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS + Message-ID: <3ka96vFtkn2fU1@individual.net>    Alphaman wrote:  >...F > Although a lot of other folks have recommended ImageMagick, I've gotE > to put my opinion in, especially since you asked for "easy-to-use". D > ImageMagick has a lot of potential, but after having spent 2 weeksD > trying to get it built on OpenVMS, I have to say it's a nightmare. > F > You may get lucky if you can find an old Freeware CD and can surviveH > with a v3 or early v4 version that was complete on the CD.  I can't --H > the JPEG format generated by my camera uses too new a JPEG standard toG > work with the old versions.  However, later versions as they exist on H > the Freeware CDs, are totally useless.  Yes, there's an exe there, but > none of them work. > ...   H I had trouble trying to figure out how to get JPEG to work since I'm notF a C programmer but in the end I think it was rather easy. I downloaded$ the ImageMagick-5.5.1-1.zip kit fromG ftp://ftp.fifi.org/pub/ImageMagick/vms/  and grabbed the JPEG code from E the Mosaic directory on the V7 Freeware. IIRC the only thing I had to F change was one .H file and the MAKE.COM to include the Mosaic library.E If you want to send me a sample image I from your camera and if I can C read it I will send you the exact steps I went through to build it.   E Keep in mind that all I wanted was to be able to create thumbnails of F .JPG files from the command line, so maybe what you want to do is moreF complicated than what I got going; What did you want ImageMagick to do with your MPEG files?    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:54:27 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS + Message-ID: <dbp5io$opi$1@news01.intel.com>    Alphaman wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > I >> I'm looking for an easy-to-use program for simple image processing on  I >> VMS.  In other words, something I can load a .JPG into and produce as  I >> output another .JPG, but with a different resolution and/or different  H >> size, gamma correction etc.  I also need the possibility to crop the C >> image.  That's all I really need, nothing fancy.  Best would be  I >> something which is already installed on VMS by default as part of the  E >> DECwindows apps or something.  Freeware and/or something from the  A >> hobbyist CD would also be an option.  What do folks recommend?  >>D >> I really need just the bare minimum of features.  What I want is 4 >> something which is easy to use and easy to learn. >> >  >  > J > Although a lot of other folks have recommended ImageMagick, I've got to C > put my opinion in, especially since you asked for "easy-to-use".  E > ImageMagick has a lot of potential, but after having spent 2 weeks  D > trying to get it built on OpenVMS, I have to say it's a nightmare.   <Rest of complaint elided...>   B Didn't VAXMAN post earlier in this thread that he uses ImageMagick: to process (semi-automatically) his digital camera images?  A Brian, what did you need to do to get ImageMagick working on VMS?  Can you share?   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jul 2005 11:31:15 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com- Subject: Re: VT420 Console - a quick question B Message-ID: <1121970675.192107.10880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F One other thing you can do to verify operation of the terminal and its/ ports, and your cable.  I love VT420s for this!   G In global settings, have the ports set as above to "S1=Comm1,S2=Comm2".   F In _each_ session (use F4 to switch) set the comm parameters where youG want them (9600,N,8.1 is good) making sure both ports are set the same. 4  Also make sure the terminal is online in the setup.  D Connect the cable from one port to the other.  Type something in theF session you are in.  It probably won't echo unless you have local echo turned on for some reason.  D The session icon in the lower left corner should reverse to show theD 'other' session has data.  Hit F4 and you should see what you typed.F Now type something different, and again you probably won't see it, but? again the session icon should reverse.  Hit F4 to return to the F original session and you should see what you just typed.  If so, portsA are good, cable is good (or good enough), and terminal is working < acceptably.  If not, then you need to do some more research.   Rich   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.405 ************************