1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 23 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 408       Contents:( Re: American wimps frightened of Britain# Re: CMS$EVENT_ACTION does not work. ' Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active? + Re: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active? + Re: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active? + Re: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active?  RE: lan failover3 Re: perfomance question about bool variables in cxx 3 Re: perfomance question about bool variables in cxx ) Re: Performance issue after 7.3-2 upgrade ) Re: Platform Support vs. Business Support " Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS" Re: simple image processing on VMS Re: uptimes project   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:29:17 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> 1 Subject: Re: American wimps frightened of Britain C Message-ID: <NCrEe.15762$aY6.7485@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Nomen Nescio wrote:    > JF Mezei trolled:  >  > >informer wrote:D > >> getting on with life and seeing the world.    Even the American military whoE > >> are based in Britain were told to stay out of London while the 7  million L > >> Brits who live there just get on with life and still commute every day. > > L > >This is to protect Britons. The US military presence in london would only > >incide further attacks. > > K > >While patriotic duties force americans to blindly support whatever their J > >military does, in the rest of the world, they have a terrible image and are a J > >big part of the reason why extremists are willing to lose their life to make a> > >point that the USA/UK are terrible against the middle east. > H > I can hardly wait for the first mass scale Islamic terrorist attack in Canada.  > H > Preferably in or near Dorval airport in Montreal, just a stone's throw	 away from 0 > 86 Harwood Gate, Beaconsfield, where JF lives. > K > Hopefully the blast will be so powerful that it will rain a ton of debris  and shrapnelI > down on JF while he's sitting at his computer trolling and playing with  his  > mutilated foreskin.  > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/7ff9368c38dad43e >     K JF will emerge unscathed in his basement lair, he's not too disimiliar from 5 the cockroach who handily survives a nuclear blast...    --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:38:51 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> , Subject: Re: CMS$EVENT_ACTION does not work.* Message-ID: <42E1E5FB.6070401@bigpond.com>  ! dreherthomi was overheard to say: 
 > DECSET CMS: D > I would am trying to set up an own event handler for a CMS action.$ > (ACL), but CMS is always returning3 > "%RMS-F-RFA, invalid record's file address (RFA)"  >   > This is the ACL I have set up: > + > cms show acl/obj=element mds829_form.ifdl ) > ACLs in CMS Library ADE_SOURCE:[DMSLIB]  > MDS829_FORM.IFDL> > (ACTION,PARAMETER="ONL7::TDREHER",IDENTIFIER=*,ACCESS=FETCH)C > (ACTION=IFM_CMS_EVENT,PARAMETER="DIDA",IDENTIFIER=*,ACCESS=FETCH)    Thomas,   A Where is the image IFM_CMS_EVENT.EXE?  Do you have a logical that = points to it?  Since CMS uses LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to locate > the routine, the rules applying to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL would? also apply in this instance.  Did you create a shareable image?   I > You can see that I have set up two actions, the standard event handler, ) > and a user event handler IFM_CMS_EVENT. > > The standard event is working fine, and is sending the mail.D > my own routine is not working, and CMS returns always "%RMS-F-RFA. >  > ----I > Here is the excerpt from the manual how the event handler should be set  > up: 3 > CMS$EVENT_ACTION (library_data_block, user_param, @ > library_specification_id, ace_parameter_id, history_record_id) > # > library_data_block Type: cntrlblk & > Access: read Mechanism: by reference; > Specifies the library data block for the current library.  > @ > user_param Type: undefined Access: modify Mechanism: undefined > C > library_specification_id Type: address Access: read Mechanism: by  > reference E > ace_parameter_id Type: address Access: read Mechanism: by reference F > history_record_id Type: address Access: read Mechanism: by reference >   H > Could someone please give me a hint on what I did wrong, or give me an2 > example (also in another language if convenient) >  > Thank you very much!!  > regards - Thomas   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2005 00:43:35 -0700! From: "Mel Byrne" <mel@unison.ie> 0 Subject: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active?C Message-ID: <1122104615.108849.293850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi,   B HP-Interex/DECUS Ireland signed me up 2 weeks ago and forwarded myC subscription details to the OpenVMS Hobbyist people with the advice A that I should wait for 1 or 2 days before trying to sign-up for a  license.  E I've been attempting to register for an OpenVMS VAX license since the ? middle of last week to no avail. The message I receive is "Your F Membership Number is not in our database or is incorrect. Please checkC with your Chapter to insure it is correct and they have updated us.  Sorry for any inconvenience".   E I've checked with the chapter and they assure me all is in order from F their end. I've tried to contact the hobbyist people twice through the+ website but I have not received a response.   F Is this delay normal and should I just continue to be patient? I would= be grateful for any and all advice on how I ought to proceed.    Thanks in advance, Mel    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2005 05:27:37 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> 4 Subject: Re: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active?C Message-ID: <1122121657.439909.232220@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Mel,  C Dave Cathey and the others who run the OpenVMSHobbyist www site are B conscientious albeit unpaid volunteers, whom I have known for many years.  F That said, they do have busy lives, and it is possible that things are momentarily at a high load.    I counsel patience.   $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:52:45 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 4 Subject: Re: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active?1 Message-ID: <mL6dna1l5bkt1n_fRVn-hg@adelphia.com>    Mel Byrne wrote: > Hi,  > D > HP-Interex/DECUS Ireland signed me up 2 weeks ago and forwarded myE > subscription details to the OpenVMS Hobbyist people with the advice C > that I should wait for 1 or 2 days before trying to sign-up for a 
 > license.  E Since the local database there lost record of both my previous DECUS  F numbers that I had used for licenses, I had to get new ones this year.  I  > Is this delay normal and should I just continue to be patient? I would @  > be grateful for any and all advice on how I ought to proceed.  E It took about 10 days for the license page to recognize the new ones   that I got from Encompass U.S.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:25:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Is the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program active?, Message-ID: <42E26F8D.6AFA6662@teksavvy.com>   Mel Byrne wrote:E > subscription details to the OpenVMS Hobbyist people with the advice C > that I should wait for 1 or 2 days before trying to sign-up for a 
 > license.    G You need not ask if your subscription to your local user group has been N processed, you need to ask when they intend to send the database update to theL Montagar/Hobbyist folks (Montagar is the company that volunteers its systems* and people to run the hobbyist programme).  N Montagar maintains its own database and receives updates from various chaptersI around the world. Until your chapter sends its database updates, Montagar  doesn't know you exist.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:01:06 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: lan failover R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB651588@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: Nazim [mailto:nmanser@progis.de]=20  > Sent: July 21, 2005 10:11 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: lan failover  >=20	 > Hi all,  >=20: > having read the openVMS documentation about LAN failover2 > (understganding lan failover) i have a question: >=20- > chap: Detecting Network connection failures  >=20B > 1) How is the in depth mechanism of the "link down" or "link up"
 > condition ?  >=206 > 2) How is the link state monitored by the adapters ?C >    it appears not to be based on the received byte count like the 
 > failsafeIP.  >=20" > Any indepth details are welcome. >=20 > thanks in advance 	 > cheers,  >=20 > Nazim Manser >=20   Nazim,  G As an additional reference, check out the Tech Journal article on TCPIP 	 Failover: ? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/tcpip.pdf @ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/tcpip.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:53:49 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> < Subject: Re: perfomance question about bool variables in cxx( Message-ID: <opsudfnzjezgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:57:10 +0200, Klaus-D. Bohn <info@it-bcsb.de> wrote:  7 > "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 3 > news:Xns969BCE8448479dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126... ) >> %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Klaus-D. Bohn wrote in 1 >> news:42e118d0$0$15037$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de  >>: >> > "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag6 >> > news:Xns969BA8A931D17dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126... >>I >> >> Slight problem there - the compiler is so smart it optimises the 64  >> >> > Hello Doc,  >> >K >> > Yes, that's ok. The compiler is very intelligent. So, you must compile C >> > with the option "/nooptimize" to force the short program code.  >>K >> The issue here - at least for the denizens of this newsgroup - is, "what I >> problem are you trying to solve?".  If folks know that then they can    >> make ? >> a contribution with more confidence of being helpful to you.  >>F >> You may or may not prove that in certain circumstances working withK >> particular datatypes is more efficient, but what it will eventually come I >> down to is using the compiler optimizations and placing some degree of  >> trust in them.  >>K >> I just pointed out that your code got optimised out of existence because F >> I found it mildly amusing.  What other folks in the newsgroup are  
 >> curiousH >> about is - as I said - "what problem are you trying to solve?".  SomeK >> background and an indication of what your goals are might allow people    >> to G >> offer coding advice and other help.  If it is purely down to testing J >> performance of specific operations, then I wouldn't be surprised if youF >> can find people to discuss the A64 assembly code in detail.  WhilstI >> there's lots of OT discussion here, it is certainly no indication that G >> there are not very technically competent people lurking.  What you   	 >> appear J >> to be curious about is a topic that quite a few would welcome as very   >> on-	 >> topic.  >>J >> Incidentally, considering I got really slow results on Deathrow's DS10L2 >> for your test_64.c, what are you running it on? >> >> >> Doc.  >> -- J >> OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.J >> http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster. >  > Hello Doc, > E > at first, I'm porting a very interesting application to the OpenVMS 7 > plattform. It will be available in October this year. B > The application is running. But im looking for to increase the   > performance.F > So i tested with a short program code what is faster: 32bit or 64bit# > variables for the Alpha platform. D > Next step was to look what ist faster: bool-variables or __int64   > variables  > which are doing the same. H > I know my short program is not the same as the full application. But   > when iI > see the 64bit are very much faster as 32bit the application must be run ! > faster. I hope that is correct.  > I > My develop system is a DS10L (617Mhz) with 1 GB memory and im working    > alone  > on it. >  > Klaus  > K Well, if it were me, I would step through the machine instructions with the D debugger.  After all, you only need to go through the loop one time.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2005 18:06:59 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: perfomance question about bool variables in cxx, Message-ID: <42e28743$1@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <opsudfnzjezgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:L >Well, if it were me, I would step through the machine instructions with theE >debugger.  After all, you only need to go through the loop one time.   # OTOH, this is why DEC made the PCA.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2005 06:06:09 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 2 Subject: Re: Performance issue after 7.3-2 upgradeC Message-ID: <1122123968.934481.198930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    "But the marketplaceG said Proprietary is Bad, Industry Standard is Good. And we're doing our   E best to provide all the advantages of the old Proprietary soluions on @ the less-expensive Industry Standard foundation, by applying our+ engineering skills on the software side.) "   B and why then does a company give up a superior solution and followF the industry standard crowd over a cliff?  You have got to be a leaderD not a follower ... this is exactly why digital and compaq and HP can? not overthrow that junk dealer IBM ... your customers know that A dec proprietary stuff is and was better ... sometimes you need to @ stick to your guns and prove the market wrong!  Look at GartnersC "square peg into a round hole" analogy ... these people do not know > more than the engineers ... dec proprietary should be industry4 standard ... make it so, don't join the wrong crowd!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:08:44 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 2 Subject: Re: Platform Support vs. Business Support0 Message-ID: <11e4u6h55jm7604@corp.supernews.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: > All, >  > Something to kick around ..  > I > The following is an interesting article which, imho,  seems to bear out I > why some projects that want to change their platforms after 10-15 years I > of running just fine fail miserably and crash and burn. Of course, when H > they do crash-n-burn, a great deal of money has already been spent and> > there is no shortage of finger pointing as to why it failed.  H The issue that still escapes me is, why will people WANT to spend money G for at best (in my opinion) a lateral move, and many times, a downward  C move.  I've asked, and the answers just don't make any sense to me.   H The last answer I got was, "Our company needs to be on just one OS, and  that is windows."   > Ok, whatever happened to 'multi-vendor inter-operatorability'?  F > [I know of two major OpenVMS to Windows/UNIX projects that fall intoF > this category - very large, high profile multi-million $ projects. AH > third one I know of is just waiting for someone to slam the lid on theI > coffin as the main players are already transferring to other projects.. B > I could make reference to rodents leaving the ship, but I won't]   Well, the rats have to eat.   J > http://news.com.com/The+great+legacy+skills+debate/2010-1007_3-5798584.h > tml?tag=nefd.ac " > "The great legacy skills debate" > E > Side rant - I hate the term "legacy" as every platform has "legacy" I > versions, but that does not mean their current version should be called G > "legacy". As an example, even though Microsoft refers to Windows 2000 H > and Windows NT4 as "legacy", that does not mean Windows 2003 should be > classified as "legacy".   I My experience with this word and usage is that it is meant to imply that  F something is 'lesser', 'old', and not just old, but old, no good, and D needing replacement.  I'd mention to some that they are living on a I 'legacy' planet, but they'd probably just look for ways to get rid of it.   H > However, the article does bring out some good points about focusing to< > much on techie stuff and not enough on business knowledge.  > The business solution IS the system.  What else should matter?  J > Perhaps the article quoted first in the above is a sign that some of theG > OS religion is starting (ok, crack in the door) to give way to a more G > practical realization that better integrating what you have is likely H > going to cost you about 10% of what a platform re-write / re-host willJ > cost, at a fraction of the time to do it in and with exponentially lower > risks involved.   G I can see people who want to use, at the technical level, a particular  G platform.  What I still cannot understand is the business people being  D willing to finance this wish.  What I also cannot understand is the B active dislike of a particular platform at levels higher than the  technical people.   A So fine, let the world continue on it's mad quest for stupidity.  G There's money in helping them.  I'm all for being stupid.  I can prove  G it.  There's 2 jet engines on my back porch, and I'm putting them on a  C 50 MPH Ultralight aircraft this afternoon.  Not only have I joined  C 'them', but now I'm leading them.  But at least I'll have some fun.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:50:03 -0500 . From: Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com>+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS 7 Message-ID: <266cd$42e2591c$186088ed$21445@KNOLOGY.NET>     VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:G > Oh boy... tough question.  I'd an old release and I don't recall what H > I needed to get it built.  It's done all that I want or need so I have$ > not looked at any recent releases. >  > $ run identify9 > Version: @(#)ImageMagick 3.4 94/11/01 cristy@dupont.com  >   	 Hi Brian,   C Yeah, that's one of the earlier versions I tried that chokes on my  < current JPEGs.  IIRC, it also doesn't have any MPEG support.   Best,  Aaron    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:47:17 -0500 . From: Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com>+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS 7 Message-ID: <c0043$42e25875$186088ed$21445@KNOLOGY.NET>    Peter Weaver wrote: J > I had trouble trying to figure out how to get JPEG to work since I'm notH > a C programmer but in the end I think it was rather easy. I downloaded& > the ImageMagick-5.5.1-1.zip kit fromI > ftp://ftp.fifi.org/pub/ImageMagick/vms/  and grabbed the JPEG code from G > the Mosaic directory on the V7 Freeware. IIRC the only thing I had to H > change was one .H file and the MAKE.COM to include the Mosaic library.G > If you want to send me a sample image I from your camera and if I can E > read it I will send you the exact steps I went through to build it.   G I'd be happy to send you a link to a photo -- I think you can decipher  F my email address from this post easily enough.  But also, if you look I below, you can decipher my photo gallery address and actually get to one  I of the photos as it came from my camera (just go to any image page, then  D click on the image itself to download the full-size original photo.)  H My goal with any kind of image processing (I still wonder why GD wasn't G included in the PHP extensions) is thumbnails plus intermediate sizing  F of photos and extraction of EXIF info for display in my photo gallery 	 software.   G > Keep in mind that all I wanted was to be able to create thumbnails of H > .JPG files from the command line, so maybe what you want to do is moreH > complicated than what I got going; What did you want ImageMagick to do > with your MPEG files?   H I'd like to extract the first key frame from an MPEG stream to use as a  thumbnail in my photo gallery.  H My current gallery (all DCL code!) can be viewed at "aaron dot isa-geek F dot org /cgi-bin/gallery" for those humans truly interested.   It has E been developed and tested with Mozilla (and Firefox), but looks like  D crap with IE due to its poor handling of the CSS.  My sympathies to & those who are stuck using that...  :^)   Cheers & thanks for the offer! Aaron    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:08:58 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG+ Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS 0 Message-ID: <00A472FF.6330BCE8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <266cd$42e2591c$186088ed$21445@KNOLOGY.NET>, Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> writes:! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: H >> Oh boy... tough question.  I'd an old release and I don't recall whatI >> I needed to get it built.  It's done all that I want or need so I have % >> not looked at any recent releases.  >>   >> $ run identify : >> Version: @(#)ImageMagick 3.4 94/11/01 cristy@dupont.com >>   > 
 >Hi Brian, > D >Yeah, that's one of the earlier versions I tried that chokes on my = >current JPEGs.  IIRC, it also doesn't have any MPEG support.   K Really?  I have a Canon ESO 20D (8.5Mpixel).  Its JPEG images are 3504x2336 2 in size and Imagemagick seems to handle them fine.  L I sftp them from my Powerbook to my Alpha.  I import the pix from one of theK many compact flash cards I have using a PCMCIA flash card adapter -- USB is L just to blindly s-l-o-w! -- into iPhoto.  I then export them to a folder forF sftp.  There's not processing of the images on anything but the Alpha.  M I process them in a DCL procedure using Imagemagick CONVERT once to determine L the orientation (landscape or portrait) and then twice to create the smallerL images I put up on my site and the thumbnails.  In fact, the whole procedureF writes the HTML code for this (my pages with the javascript scroller).  7 What are you using for a camera?  How big are your pix?  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:29:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: simple image processing on VMS , Message-ID: <42E27066.5E661F08@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: 9 > What are you using for a camera?  How big are your pix?   L I don't think that the size of the pictures matter (no matter what women sayI :-), but rather the additional tags added to JPEG images that contain all N sorts of information about the camera, picture (time stamp, exposure, f stop ,M settings, white balance etc etc).  Some cameras embed far more information in   the additional tags than others.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:05:08 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhamPiltSon@coMmcaAstP.neSt> Subject: Re: uptimes project0 Message-ID: <JuWdncm7Qe7or3_fRVn-tA@comcast.com>   John Nebel wrote: G > The host of the uptimes project - hostingwired.com - appears to have   > fallen off the net.  >   ' Looks to be available, as of 08:00 EDT.    <snip>   --   Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own" * "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.408 ************************