1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 30 Jul 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 422       Contents: Re: comp.os.vms archives ? Re: comp.os.vms archives ? Re: comp.os.vms archives ? Re: comp.os.vms archives ?0 Re: Creating Custom Printer Banner Page in DCPS?0 Re: Creating Custom Printer Banner Page in DCPS?! HP World 2005 Presentation Posted % Re: HP World 2005 Presentation Posted  Just For the Fun of It Re: LaTeX ---> PDF Re: LaTeX ---> PDF Re: LaTeX ---> PDF( RE: Looking for Oracle RAC on VMS Advice3 Re: M e z e i  in the space groups - don't miss it! > New Beta Google Groups format (was Re: comp.os.vms archives ?)8 Re: Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs.8 Re: Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs.2 Re: Where is Macro 64 in OpenVMS 7.3 Distribution?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:15:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: comp.os.vms archives ? , Message-ID: <42EB1B02.2FED2F52@teksavvy.com>   "Joe H. Gallagher" wrote: G > I just tried searching Google groups which found 10 year old posts in F > comp.os.vms.  Would you be more specific about exactly what was been  > "massacred, censored, killed"?  M The way the posts are show is far less usable then before. (no choice between L displaying the post or the whole thread for instance). And when displaying aK post, you cannot find the email address of the sender, and for instance not - know if it was forged etc etc. (think dizum).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:10:16 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhamPiltSon@coMmcaAstP.neSt># Subject: Re: comp.os.vms archives ? 0 Message-ID: <BOqdnVrCUpC183bfRVn-ug@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote: N > Google has killed even Elmer now. All of its interfaces have been massacred, > censored, killed.  > G > Does anyone know if comp.os.vms is being archived elsewhere ? Could a  > searchable archive be setup ?    Hi JF,   Elmer works fine for me:  9 <http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=xx-elmer>   ( What problems are you seeing with Elmer?   --   Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own" * "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:48:06 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhamPiltSon@coMmcaAstP.neSt># Subject: Re: comp.os.vms archives ? 0 Message-ID: <xeqdnTmvW5Cb6nbfRVn-hw@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  <snip>O > The way the posts are show is far less usable then before. (no choice between N > displaying the post or the whole thread for instance). And when displaying aM > post, you cannot find the email address of the sender, and for instance not / > know if it was forged etc etc. (think dizum).   D I am able to view the "full" posts by clicking on the links labeled: "- Show quoted text -"  H I am able to see a complete email address of the sender by clicking the 
 link labeled:  "show options") and by further clicking the link labeled:  "..." A in the sender's email address (and confirming with a "password").   I I don't think it's easy to spot a forgery in this new interface, but I'm  5 not so sure it was easy in the old interface, either.   F I realize that the "new" interface makes you jump through more hoops, A and is thus more inconvenient, but I would hardly rate this as a  G "massacre".  Wounded Knee and Custer's last stand were massacres; this   is just inconvenient.	:-)    --   Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own" * "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:49:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: comp.os.vms archives ? , Message-ID: <42EBBDB7.A3CA90A9@teksavvy.com>   Brad Hamilton wrote:G > I realize that the "new" interface makes you jump through more hoops, B > and is thus more inconvenient, but I would hardly rate this as aH > "massacre".  Wounded Knee and Custer's last stand were massacres; this > is just inconvenient.   :-)     S It is change for the sake of change, even if it makes it less convenient for users.   B And the listing is stupid., The first 10 of so posts are done is aH simili-frame with some opetions on the left, and the remainder below are listed differently.   N Sorry, I doN't view this as an improvement at all, and this is why there was aE whole thread on another newsgroups for people wanting to keep the old I interface and partly why Google allowed old interface to rtemain on funny K languiages such as elmer. Before they went with their stupid "beta", nobody  knew about "elmer".   < And now that they killed "elmer", people will stop using it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:15:32 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: Creating Custom Printer Banner Page in DCPS? 7 Message-ID: <8660a3a105073010154bb75187@mail.gmail.com>   : On 7/30/05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > Christopher Story wrote: > > L > > Is it possible to create a custom banner page in DCPS.  I must be able = to3 > > put the Username, Jobname and Time on the page.  >=20L > The banner pages seem to be defined in the module LPS$$SYSTEMPAGES . (not=  pretty) >=20 > look for "username". >=20K > In DCPS 2.3, they decided that the "company name" should be in a variable  > since it changes so often :-)  >=20 >=20! > $DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DCPS$TEST 1  > STOP and START the queue >=209 > PRINT LOGIN.COM/PARA=3DDIAG=3DFILE=3DBOTH/queue=3Dxxxxx  >=20K > This generates a DCPS*xxx.LOG file in your sys$login, where * is your job L > number and xxx is "TO" and "FROM". It logs the communications between DCP= S and H > the printer. Make sure you power cycle the printer before so that DCPS. > downloads the whole prologue to the printer. >=20L > You need to *convert* the TO file to be streamlf so it is properly editab= le.  >=20L > You will then see the header, and then the code added to generate the ban=	 ner page.  >=20 > Here is an example:  > dict begin beginpage > job burst 
 > initpage > (VELO::SYSTEM) username  > (JOB 605) jobid  > (LOGIN) name' > (Hewlett-Packard Company) companyname ! > (OpenVMS VAX V7.2    ) systemid ' > (DECprint Supervisor V2.3) symbiontid  > mark > (SYSTEM  ) (Account:)  > ([SYSTEM]) (Owner UIC:) 
 > section1 > mark  > (30-JUL-2005 00:09) (Started:)$ > ("serial/LTA10") (Printer device:) > (LASER1) (Printer queue:) " > (30-JUL-2005 00:09) (Submitted:) > (LASER) (Submit queue:)  > (100) (Priority:) 
 > section2
 > endpage end  >=20L > What you need to do is go into the SYSTEMPAGES module and change the code= .  >=20L > What section1 and section2 do is go though the  on the stack  (back to th= e L > "mark") and print pairs of strings. To eliminate a line, you'd have to ch= eck L > for the first string to be equal to the line you don't want and just pop = it" > and the next one, or print both. >=20L > For the initial portion, they are commands. To eliminate that line, you c= anL > just edit that command's definition to not print anything or print what y= ou > want.  >=20 > For instance:  >=20? > /companyname{helvbold-12 setfont 54 72 position leftshow}bdef  >=20 > You could replace it with: >=20I > /companyname{helvbold-12 setfont 54 72 position pop (Acme Incorporated)  > leftshow} bdef >=20K > This just pops the string supplied before the command  ( (Hewlett-Packard L > Company) companyname )  and prints your own company name instead. Or if y= ou, > don't want that line to show at all, just: > /companyname { pop } bdef  >=20 >=20L > You'd have to do better editing if you want to truly customise this. But = toL > remove of override certain fields, it is fairly doable. Note that with an= y L > upgrade of DCPS, these changes will be zapped since customizing that libr= ary  > isn't supported. >=20  . Concur, having done a bit of that in the past.  : The full name of the module in the DCPS control library isB LPS$$SYSTEMPAGES, or it was the last time I modified it (which was mid-1990s).    WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:14:40 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>9 Subject: Re: Creating Custom Printer Banner Page in DCPS? + Message-ID: <42EBB580.5673DA47@comcast.net>    Christopher Story wrote: > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:42EAEDA5.D00239B6@comcast.net...  > > Christopher Story wrote: > > > L > > > Is it possible to create a custom banner page in DCPS.  I must be able > to5 > > > put the Username, Jobname and Time on the page.  > > >  > > > Any ideas? > > ; > > What wrong with the default banner? It has all of that.  >  > David,I >     The default banner also has the OS and Software versions, which our L > corporate security policy prohibits.  They are forcing all the user facingL > materials to limit the information exposure.  (getting into a VMS is superI > secure conversation, does not work on non-technical manager (executive) H > types) even the windows / Unix people had to change many of the system# > generated banners to custom ones.  > L > PS. We must do it with a server side banner not a printer resident banner.  4 FWIW, DCPS print banners are not "printer resident".  G There may be a file or text library module buried deep in the bowels of D DCPS that can be customized. If you have a support contract, try the CSC.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:18:56 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: HP World 2005 Presentation Posted+ Message-ID: <42EBB67F.9F1449EE@comcast.net>   A Since HP-World 2005 is history even before it happened, I have no 4 problem posting the presentation I would have given:  * Case Study: SLS, DCSC and StorageTek ACSLS  - Find it at http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:44:36 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhamPiltSon@coMmcaAstP.neSt>. Subject: Re: HP World 2005 Presentation Posted0 Message-ID: <StSdnbGgU74YIXbfRVn-uw@comcast.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: C > Since HP-World 2005 is history even before it happened, I have no 6 > problem posting the presentation I would have given: > , > Case Study: SLS, DCSC and StorageTek ACSLS > / > Find it at http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  >    David,  E Thanks for providing this presentation - I especially appreciate the  G .PPT version, in notes format.  Too bad that one cannot reproduce that   format in .PDF.    --   Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own" * "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:36:15 +1200 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>  Subject: Just For the Fun of It # Message-ID: <42eb491d@clear.net.nz>   K I tried doing an install of OpenVMS 7.3 again - just to clear my mind up on  what was involved.  J Well, I've proved at least one thing - even _I_ can install VMS, even whenB for some reason, I'm all thumbs with two left feet. :-)  make that sys$all_thumbs: 2left_feet  J Now comes the difficult thing - cooling down enough to remember how I used edit last time I did this. ;)   F I should thank DEC for such a challenging experience! ;^)  What's life without a challenge?  
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jul 2005 14:33:39 GMT+ From: ptjm@interlog.com (Patrick TJ McPhee)  Subject: Re: LaTeX ---> PDF + Message-ID: <3l1he3F10baghU1@uni-berlin.de>   $ In article <dcdmbh$4us$1@online.de>,Q Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:    [...]   
 % > GS4_03  H If at all possible, try to upgrade to a more recent version of gs, e.g.,F 8.14 or 8.51. There have been many improvements in PDf generation over the past 9 years.   ) % This produces a file which starts with   % 
 %    %PDF-1.1  % @ % and is readable by a relatively new version of Acrobat Reader.  > Probably really, really old ones, too. My recollection is thatD the PDF 1.1 support in ghostscript involved dumping a bitmap of each page to the pdf file.  --     Patrick TJ McPhee  North York  Canada ptjm@interlog.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:16:01 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: LaTeX ---> PDF $ Message-ID: <dcg5jh$ift$1@online.de>  F In article <3l1he3F10baghU1@uni-berlin.de>, ptjm@interlog.com (Patrick TJ McPhee) writes:     > % > GS4_03 > J > If at all possible, try to upgrade to a more recent version of gs, e.g., > 8.14 or 8.51.   H It's on my list of things to do.  Where is the GS (and preferably GV as I well) which builds out of the box on VMS?  Is there a version with a VMS   CLI?  : > There have been many improvements in PDf generation over > the past 9 years.  > + > % This produces a file which starts with   > %  > %    %PDF-1.1  > % B > % and is readable by a relatively new version of Acrobat Reader. > @ > Probably really, really old ones, too. My recollection is thatF > the PDF 1.1 support in ghostscript involved dumping a bitmap of each > page to the pdf file.   H Maybe that explains why the PDF file is much bigger than the PostScript 
 file.  :-(  G With newer versions of GS, is the PDF file generated from a PostScript  0 file smaller or larger than the PostScript file?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:12:08 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: LaTeX ---> PDF + Message-ID: <42EBB4E7.ED23EC2A@comcast.net>    Robin Fairbairns wrote:  > U >  helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: / > ptjm@interlog.com (Patrick TJ McPhee) writes:  > >  > >> % > GS4_03  > C > i don't think i ever even tried to get pdf out of 4.<anything>...  > M > >> If at all possible, try to upgrade to a more recent version of gs, e.g.,  > >> 8.14 or 8.51. > > J > >It's on my list of things to do.  Where is the GS (and preferably GV as, > >well) which builds out of the box on VMS? > H > i would expect it to be quite easy to get gs to build; gv may be a bit > more challenging.  > % > >Is there a version with a VMS CLI?  > D > not that i've ever heard of; but then, my last actual use of a vms2 > machine predates my ever hearing of ghostscript. > F > who does, nowadays, what decus used to do for software distribution?F > i don't recall anything recent i've looked at, that claims to have aE > vms cli ... sad, really -- dave cutler's (rather less well-thought- F > through, imo) third system has dragged away all the support that vms > used to enjoy.  B There's a .PCSI file of GhostScript V8.11 at the VMS freware site,C Freeware V5, I believe. It contains a .OLB file so the image cna be  LINKed at INSTALL time.   G It has a problem LINKing, though - multiply defined symbols relating to @ "snprintf" appearing in the DECC$SHARE RTL on VMS V7.3-2. GoogleF comp.os.vms for a post by John Malmberg about how to correct that. YouF will have to dissect the .PCSI kit and fix the .OPT file for the LINK,B then install it manually; or, if you know how to build a .PCSI kitE (please post tutorial if you do), fix the .OPT file, rePACKAGE it and  try the PRODUCT INSTALL again.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:25:33 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 1 Subject: RE: Looking for Oracle RAC on VMS Advice R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB651750@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Stuart, Ed [mailto:Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com]=20  > Sent: July 27, 2005 9:16 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Looking for Oracle RAC on VMS Advice  >=20> > Hello; we run Oracle databases in our VMS Cluster and are=20 > considering a moveB > to RAC to increase the availability of the databases.  If you=20
 > are running 5 > RAC on VMS today and are willing to discuss your=20  > configuration please let me  > know.  >=20 > EdG > **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**  >=20   Ed,   G As a fyi, there are also a number of recent OpenVMS articles in Oracles H Metalink support database. A few examples are "How to install Oracle RAC< 10G on OpenVMS, Step by step install of RAC on OpenVMS" etc.  ? In addition, there was a recent note about how a fair amount of F additional Oracle performance can be obtained on OpenVMS by installingE the Oracle.exe file. However, you will also need the following recent 6 VMS V7.3-2 patch to gain all of the added performance:  H ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/VMS732_MANAGE-V0300.t xtD "Large performance improvements can be gained if Oracle is installedE with /SHARE=3DADDRESS_DATA.  However, it can only install that way if F DISMNTSHR.EXE is also installed as /SHARE=3DADDRESS_DATA.  This change? allows DISMNTSHR.EXE to be installed as /SHARE=3DADDRESS_DATA."      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:57:47 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> < Subject: Re: M e z e i  in the space groups - don't miss it!? Message-ID: <%WJGe.218$ns.195@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Nomen Nescio wrote:   8 > Hahahahaha!  Don't miss Mezei in the sci.space groups! > G > He's trying to teach rocket science over there and telling people how E > the shuttle program should be run.  There are some professionals in F > those groups, veterans of the industry for 30 years, and here's this@ > unemployed Canadian kook sitting in his mother's basement, whoK > hasn't held a real job in his life, giving sermons on how the U.S. should > > run their space program and how to fix the shuttle problems. >  > Priceless!!! >  >  http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=sci.space.*&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=john+doe&lr=&as_qdr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&safe=off  >  >  http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=sci.space.*&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=jf+mezei&lr=&as_qdr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&safe=off  > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/2094041a300b0c15 >      Amazing!   --   Best Greg   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2005 09:57:57 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>G Subject: New Beta Google Groups format (was Re: comp.os.vms archives ?) C Message-ID: <1122742677.076339.215590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Brad Hamilton wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > <snip>Q > > The way the posts are show is far less usable then before. (no choice between P > > displaying the post or the whole thread for instance). And when displaying aO > > post, you cannot find the email address of the sender, and for instance not 1 > > know if it was forged etc etc. (think dizum).  > F > I am able to view the "full" posts by clicking on the links labeled: > "- Show quoted text -" > I > I am able to see a complete email address of the sender by clicking the  > link labeled:  > "show options"+ > and by further clicking the link labeled:  > "..." C > in the sender's email address (and confirming with a "password").  > J > I don't think it's easy to spot a forgery in this new interface, but I'm7 > not so sure it was easy in the old interface, either.  > G > I realize that the "new" interface makes you jump through more hoops, B > and is thus more inconvenient, but I would hardly rate this as aH > "massacre".  Wounded Knee and Custer's last stand were massacres; this > is just inconvenient.	:-)  >  > -- > Bradford J. Hamilton > "All opinions are my own" , > "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"    E Well, by "massacred", perhaps he meant the ruination of the format. I > sent the following to Goggle and add some up-to-date comments:   >From 2005/04/01:   & Favoring the new "Google beta groups":   o Faster post udpates [updates] > o Have to click "read the rest of the message" much less oftenC o No time wasted with having to click "See this message in context"  linkF o Mail addresses hidden from spammers (admittedly this is good and bad either way)   D [OK, now you can get the email address using the human-readable-only2 type-in after clicking ... . When was this added?]  G o Times of last post given on thread listing page (but time zone is not 	 given!!!)   F [ OK, I live in the US Eastern Time Zone and the times are now in thatB time zone ! But I came across at least one case in which a message7 arrived from the future. See (sorry about any url-wrap)    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/36912eb7f8ee7779/5df4f664c4ab086b?lnk=st&q=future+group:comp.os.vms+author:aef&rnum=4&hl=en#5df4f664c4ab086b   E (But I recently looked at sci.math and the times were in some mystery ? time zone or perhaps just a few more messages from the future.)   C Why don't they just use UTC time in yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss format like F they used to? Before they "fixed" it they called it the time, or local> time, or something stupid and it was in Palo Alto time (PT). IF previously sent them a message telling them that some of us don't liveE in the Pacific Time Zone and that UTC was more appropriate in 24-hour % format, not the pesky am/pm format. ]   ! Favoring the old "Google groups":   E o Dates in msg. headers were in yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss time-zone format, D incl. 24-hour time! (Not this wimpy am/pm nonsesnse.) [Although theyF were labeled as PST even though it was really PDT when daylight saving time was in effect.] o Fonts ( o Format of all pages, all views, better  E (Well, I do like not having to click for a new page as often with the  new format.)   o Visual esthetics2 o Banners containing useful info separate messagesE o Said useful info includes From, Subject, Newsgroups list, Date (and  time; -- with time zone!, albeit incorrect when DST is in effect)   C [Yes, you can get these by clicking, but you have to do it for each  one!]   ( o Message number in banner of message!!!  , [OK, they finally added this just recently.]  C o "Post a follow-up to this message" link at bottom of each message   > [OK, they now have this but it doesn't quote the old message.]  E o Home page lists alt, biz, comp, etc. In the new way there is no way  you F could go from comp to comp.os. to comp.os.vms the way you can with the old G groups groups page. You have to know at least the comp.os part first in  the beta groups. o List of threads page neater = o Useful | and \ and - symbols outlining thread trees on left ? o Prev m and Next n links at top and bottom of page of messages   B [Finally this is back, but slightly uglier, at least on my setup.]  E o Can read mail addresses when I need to (admittedly this is good and  bad  either way)   # [see comment in old format section]   B o More room for messages increasing chances that an 80-column-wide output will fit without wrapping.D o No "hide quoted text" errors. Often, in the beta groups, a word is7 subsumed into quoted text when it is part of the reply. D o No stupid warm and fuzzy stars wasting screen area. (What is this, kindergarten? |:-)   Bad about both: C o After postiing, "Click here to continue" still takes you to pages  where E you can't function. You often get the messages with no links to go to  the A next set of messages and no link back to comp.os.vms thread list.  What's? the deal with this? In one case I ended up with two tree panes!   , p.s. The box to input this is WAY TOO SMALL!   2005/07/30:   F Also, when you click on a thread, you have to hit F6 four times to get2 the focus to the articles box. (I hate the mouse.)  G If we're lucky, they'll keep fixing it until it has all the good points G of the old format, in which case -- actually in any case -- they should D have never come up with the new format and just simply added the few2 good features of the new format to the old format.  C As for me, I've finally gotten used to the new format and just live 5 with it. I still don't like it, but what ya gonna do?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:59:40 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> A Subject: Re: Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs. B Message-ID: <MtNGe.7058$Uk3.6271@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  
 AEF wrote: <snip> > See  >  > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_frm/thread/83e9b6468b8274ce/d6da79b3000313b7?lnk=st&q=ROUNDING+NEAREST+EVEN&rnum=10#d6da79b3000313b7  > E > and start from post number 11. It has to do with "double rounding".  > (Sorry about any url wrap.)  >   C It's interesting that you invoke a Forth thread in a floating point E discussion. One of the orginal attractions of the language for me was E its fixed point arithmetic tools: star-slash, star-slash-mod, et. al. C Forth getting floating point was like rock 'n roll getting a social  conscience.    Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2005 09:16:08 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs. B Message-ID: <1122740168.088606.24530@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Jeff Chimene wrote:  > AEF wrote: > <snip> > > See  > >  > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_frm/thread/83e9b6468b8274ce/d6da79b3000313b7?lnk=st&q=ROUNDING+NEAREST+EVEN&rnum=10#d6da79b3000313b7  > > G > > and start from post number 11. It has to do with "double rounding".  > > (Sorry about any url wrap.)  > >  > E > It's interesting that you invoke a Forth thread in a floating point G > discussion. One of the orginal attractions of the language for me was G > its fixed point arithmetic tools: star-slash, star-slash-mod, et. al. E > Forth getting floating point was like rock 'n roll getting a social 
 > conscience.  > 	 > Cheers,     E Well, I didn't even know about Froth (I mean Forth :-) before this. I D just did a Goggle search (er, Google search :-) for ROUNDING NEAREST EVEN.   D Anyway, there's a whole field of Num Anal (Numerical Analysis :-) toG deal with computing errors, of which rounding is only one. Other issues F include linear systems of equations (as in ill conditionied matrices),G interpolation, numerical integration, differential equations, nonlinear D equations, optimization, least squares, and random number generation and Monte Carlo techniques.      > jec    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:51:13 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG; Subject: Re: Where is Macro 64 in OpenVMS 7.3 Distribution? 0 Message-ID: <00A47863.EBE2F314@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <96A2BBF30wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>, wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) writes: 
 >Hi Folks, > L >We've got a package that requires Macro 64 to build.  Could someone please I >tell me where I can locate the installation kit, and the PAK for this?   L >I've searched the FAQ and the freeware, and the only Macro 64 I could find K >was on V4 of the freeware (we're currently up to v7, I believe).  Is this  7 >the version I should use, or is there something newer?  > 
 >Many thanks!  >  >ws  >  >--  >Warren Spencer  >Senior Software Engineer  >The Associated Press   K Macro-64 was distributed on the OpenVMS Freeware V4 CDs.  It's not appeared K on any of the subsequent Freeware CDs.  Have a look back though your CDs to  see if you have the V4 set.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.422 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               5095/1 78 100 5097/10 64 5099/4 6009/3 6023/1 6045/7 6055/2 6083/1
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