1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 01 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 304       Contents: .JSB_ENTRY Failure example Re: .JSB_ENTRY Failure example Re: ABC problem with disk  Re: edt plugin for netbeans " Gaychub Kenny will not get a clue.& Re: Gaychub Kenny will not get a clue.& Re: Gaychub Kenny will not get a clue.8 Re: Help! .JSB_ENTRY triggered ROPRAND and OPCDEC errors" Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman!" Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman!? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? RE: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID P Re: ITRC Natural Language Search (was Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map Ope* Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum* Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised? Re: MJ will not be convicted. OpenVMS.org says don't go to the dark side ...( Replacement for DEC performance advisor?, Re: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?, Re: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?, Re: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?4 Re: VARM (Vax Architecture Reference Manual) on EBay% Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) > Wrong (2004) dates on latest patch kits  for V7.3-1 and V7.3-2A Re: Wrong (2004) dates on latest patch kits for V7.3-1 and V7.3-2 @ [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)D Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)D Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)1 [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service 5 Re: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service 5 Re: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service 5 Re: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> # Subject: .JSB_ENTRY Failure example ? Message-ID: <d7kdbn$rcu$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi John,  K Below is a script for testing the problem with .JSB_ENTRY. (I'll mail you a I copy so that it doesn't lose format. Down to 70 odd lines again - Not bad  eh?)  H Simply change the CLRL R8 to CLRL R7 and when you run TEST1 your processF will die with an access violation ACCVIO in EXEC mode. If you take theI OUTPUT and SCRATCH parameters away from the .JSB_ENTRY then everything is G fine. (Interestingly enough, in this case you can CLRL R6 (the register 5 designated as SCRATCH) without any ill side effects.)   5 Does .JSB_ENTRY have problems operating in Exec Mode?    Cheers Richard   $ on warning then exit5 $ define/nolog/sys/exec share1 sys$library:share1.exe  $! $ create share1.mar            .title  Share One &         .library "sys$library:lib.mlb"         $plvdef   C         .psect  exec_list,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long  exec_table:          .address  my_sub  =         .psect  my_code,pic,con,rel,lcl,shr,exe,rd,nowrt,long   $         .call_entry     label=my_sub           bsbw    lcl_sub          blbc    r0,99$           movzbl  #1,r0  99$:         ret    lcl_sub:&         .jsb_entry      output=<r7>, -$                         scratch=<r6>           clrl     r8            movzbl  #1,r0          rsb   6         .psect  dickie$services,page,vec,pic,nowrt,exe+         .long    plv$c_typ_cmod, 0, 0, 1, 0          .address exec_table          .long    0, 0, 0, 0, 0           .end $!L $ macro/list/machine/enable=quad/preserve=(GRANULARITY,ATOMICITY) share1.mar. $ link  /share=sys$common:[syslib]share1.exe -         /protect -         /nosysshr -          /sysexe -          /map -         /cross -         /full -          /notrace -         /section_binding -         share1.obj, -          sys$input:/options   gsmatch=lequal,1,0  1 symbol_vector = (                               - 0                 my_sub             = procedure -                 )  $!8 $ if f$file_attributes("sys$library:share1.exe","KNOWN") $ then. $       install replace sys$library:share1.exe $ elseE $       install add sys$library:share1.exe /open/header/share/protect  $ endif  $! $ create test1.cob identification division. program-id.    test1.  procedure division.  00.      call "my_sub".
     stop run.  end program test1. $ cobol/lis test1.cob ' $ link/map/full test1.obj,sys$input/opt  sys$library:share1.exe/share $!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:05:30 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>' Subject: Re: .JSB_ENTRY Failure example 2 Message-ID: <Kgjne.6294$nb2.2171@news.cpqcorp.net>   Richard Maher wrote:
 > Hi John, > M > Below is a script for testing the problem with .JSB_ENTRY. (I'll mail you a K > copy so that it doesn't lose format. Down to 70 odd lines again - Not bad  > eh?)  8 Your "my_sub" routine doesn't obey the calling standard.  F For .CALL_ENTRY and .JSB_ENTRY, the Alpha compiler will auto-preserve E R2-R15 if it sees a write to the register and it isn't listed in the  B SCRATCH or OUTPUT clauses.  That usually creates calling-standard $ compliant routines "out of the box".  F However, your "my_sub" routine is sneaky in the fact that it does not G directly modify R7, but calls the .JSB_ENTRY to modify R7 (I'm talking  I about your crashing version with the CLRL R7 inside of "lcl_sub").  That  4 routine has R7 in the OUTPUT clause so it clears R7.  G In the "working" version, since R8 isn't in the SCRATCH/OUTPUT clauses  7 of "lcl_sub", R8 is auto-preserved inside of "lcl_sub".   I Since "MY_SUB" never saw the actual write to R7, it did not save/restore  H R7 in its prologue/epilogue.  When "my_sub" returned to the change-mode D dispatcher, I'm guessing the cleared registers really pissed it off.  D Either put a PRESERVE=<R7> on the .CALL_ENTRY LABEL=MY_SUB, or add a      .set_registers written=<r7>  H immediately before the BSBW to "lcl_sub".  That directive is sufficient I to tell the compiler that there is an implicit write to R7 at that point  I in  "my_sub".  That will cause the compiler to auto-preserve R7 and make  . your routine calling standard compliant again.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:55:09 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: ABC problem with disk- Message-ID: <429D69DD.23202.1D1211@localhost>   0 On 31 May 2005 at 20:18, David J Dachtera wrote:B > I have an old '486SX-33 that I upgraded to DX4-100 with an IntelG > Overdrive CPU. 1.6GB IDE drive, 32MB RAM, and even has a SoundBlaster C > card with the matching CD-ROM. I even have a 20GB IDE drive which D > should work with its upgraded BIOS. That should suit their purpose- > just fine. Just tell me where to send it...   D That would run Linux just great.  I have several client sites doing @ backups to Linux via the open-source DECnet-for-Linux package...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:13:56 -0400. From: "Meg Watson" <meg@alumni.vanderbilt.edu>$ Subject: Re: edt plugin for netbeans0 Message-ID: <84mdnfmNz-0aOwDfRVn-ow@comcast.com>  L I have the source, would you like a copy?   I'll be happy to mail it to you.  
 Meg Watson  Distributed NetBeans for OpenVMS  G "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> wrote in message  8 news:li%ke.21122$J12.11687@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...J > Dec/Compaq/HP developed an edt plugin for Netbeans that says it is open / > source. Does anyone know where the source is?  >  > tia 
 > Jeff C.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:45:43 +0000 (UTC)- From: Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> + Subject: Gaychub Kenny will not get a clue. 0 Message-ID: <d7k755$fgp$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>  G "kenny" <mjj@mijack.co> wrote in news:429d6452_2@newsgate.x-privat.org:   0 > Read my type... IT IS UNIX-LIKE, its not Unix. > $ > http://www.osdata.com/oses/vms.htm  ? Wrong again. It's much closer to VM or MVS, you stupid gaychub.   J Had you the wit to know anything about how to interface with VMS and knew J anything about how VM and MVS work, you'd realize just how fucking stupid  you are.   --  3 Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in A dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. : Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!? Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!. : Charter Member - Digital Brownshirts and Library Gestapo. F "God speaks to me, that's why I can read the heavens." - Edmo, clearly
 losing it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:31:06 -0400 / From: Daedalus <jadeonzbobbi2times@my-deja.com> / Subject: Re: Gaychub Kenny will not get a clue. 8 Message-ID: <hfar9152d7hdbponuatcm14pgipq247e3c@4ax.com>  : On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:45:43 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net>, wrote:   H >"kenny" <mjj@mijack.co> wrote in news:429d6452_2@newsgate.x-privat.org: > 1 >> Read my type... IT IS UNIX-LIKE, its not Unix.  >>  % >> http://www.osdata.com/oses/vms.htm  > @ >Wrong again. It's much closer to VM or MVS, you stupid gaychub. > K >Had you the wit to know anything about how to interface with VMS and knew  K >anything about how VM and MVS work, you'd realize just how fucking stupid  	 >you are.   E I know jack about programming, design etc. But I notice the people on D usenet who go around announcing they are kung fu masters usually endD up being the ones spanked hard for their ignorance of their supposed profession.    Just an observation.   Jade   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:44:46 GMT ( From: Woody Pequre <woody@weeds.invalid>/ Subject: Re: Gaychub Kenny will not get a clue. 4 Message-ID: <Xns96686D51D7EEEOMDEPB2K4@64.164.98.29>  E On 01 Jun 2005, Daedalus <jadeonzbobbi2times@my-deja.com> posted some 1 news:hfar9152d7hdbponuatcm14pgipq247e3c@4ax.com:    < > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:45:43 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet ><cujo@petitmorte.net>, wrote: > " >>"kenny" <mjj@mijack.co> wrote in) >>news:429d6452_2@newsgate.x-privat.org:   >>2 >>> Read my type... IT IS UNIX-LIKE, its not Unix. >>> & >>> http://www.osdata.com/oses/vms.htm >>A >>Wrong again. It's much closer to VM or MVS, you stupid gaychub.  >>F >>Had you the wit to know anything about how to interface with VMS andA >>knew anything about how VM and MVS work, you'd realize just how  >>fucking stupid you are.  > G > I know jack about programming, design etc. But I notice the people on F > usenet who go around announcing they are kung fu masters usually endF > up being the ones spanked hard for their ignorance of their supposed > profession.  >  > Just an observation. >  > Jade >    kenny hasn't a clue.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:38:19 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> A Subject: Re: Help! .JSB_ENTRY triggered ROPRAND and OPCDEC errors ? Message-ID: <d7k6na$ai9$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi John,  3 Thanks for the quick response!. I know you're busy.   H > You tried putting INPUT, OUTPUT, SCRATCH on the .JSB_ENTRY directives?   Yes.  E > OUTPUT is pretty important since in both .CALL_ENTRY and .JSB_ENTRY E > routines, any references to R2-R15 cause them to get auto-preserved   > unless they are marked OUTPUT.  J Yep. I needed to pass <R7,R8> back in this case, and obviously didn't wantI the previous contents being restored. I also think the OUTPUT=<>,INPUT=<> L and SCRATCH=<> parameters simply look good and help with documentation. (One better than comments)   2 > What Alpha instruction raised the OPCDEC  error?  F A simple MOVL G^label,Rx (But I also tried INCL Rx and that blew-up asH well). Interestingly when I changed the .jsb_entry to .jsb32_entry I was2 able to INCL,R* but the MOVL,G^label,R* kiiled it.  J > If this code is all self-contained Macro-32 (ie, no 64-bit addresses, noH > calls between other languages, etc.), you might want to read about theI > .JSB32_ENTRY directive.  That directive makes the JSB routine fell like G > a real VAX JSB routine (nothing is auto-preserved, all registers flow @ > into the routine, all registers flow out of the routine, etc.)  H Sounds good. I thought .JSB32_ENTRY was gonna save me, but see above :-(  F Thankfully, in this case, the structure of my subroutines was more for2 aesthetics and neatness rather than functionality.   .Call_Entry label=Sub1  
 bsbw task1 :       :     : 
 bsbw task2 :       :     : 
 bsbw task3   ret   K Task1 was outputting R7&8 to Task2. By simply modifying Task1 to call Task2 E directly, I could return to naked/vanilla .JSB_ENTRYs and control the 3 register contents getting to Task2. (Seems to work)   . > If you have something small, email it to me.  K I'll try to reproduce it in a small example this arvo. I spent this morning L trying to fix the damage that some peanut in my development staff :-) causedJ with his over zealous use of .ALIGN. All of a sudden half my Lock Resource* Names and Mailbox Messages were corrupted.  ( > I've been busy finishing my slides for. > the talks I'm giving at next week's bootcamp  & Good luck. Wish I could've been there.   Cheers Richard Maher  3 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message , news:QX0ne.6238$Nt1.1214@news.cpqcorp.net... > Richard Maher wrote: > K > > I can, and will, investigate further but just in case this rings a bell  with% > > anyone these are the symptons : -  > > 4 > > 1) On VAX, this is a working Executive Mode UWSS > > H > > 2) I was doing BSBWs to subroutine labels to do different bits of an > > initialization routine > > > > > 3) On Alpha, I had to relace LABEL: with LABEL: .JSB_ENTRY > > K > > 4) Reading the docs (and even though I was not using /VAXREG qualifiers  etc)K > > I thought these "output=<>,input=<> and scratch=<>" options looked like  the 5 > > Dog's Bollocks for the conscientious code cutter.  > > J > > 5) If I tried to modify a register that was in the SCRATCH=<> Register Mask > > I got ROPRAND errors > > L > > 6) Take the SCRATCH clause away and if I tried to modify a register that was . > > in the OUTPUT=<> mask I got OPCDEC errors. > > 3 > > 7) Remove these clauses and so far it limps on.  > H > You tried putting INPUT, OUTPUT, SCRATCH on the .JSB_ENTRY directives? > C > In general, INPUT has almost no value to the compiler and SCRATCH J > usually just suppresses any auto-saving done in the routine prologue but > nothing else.  > E > OUTPUT is pretty important since in both .CALL_ENTRY and .JSB_ENTRY E > routines, any references to R2-R15 cause them to get auto-preserved J > unless they are marked OUTPUT.  What Alpha instruction raised the OPCDEC' > error?  Nothing rings a bell with me.  > J > If this code is all self-contained Macro-32 (ie, no 64-bit addresses, noH > calls between other languages, etc.), you might want to read about theI > .JSB32_ENTRY directive.  That directive makes the JSB routine fell like G > a real VAX JSB routine (nothing is auto-preserved, all registers flow @ > into the routine, all registers flow out of the routine, etc.) > J > If you have something small, email it to me.  I've only been reading theI > other thread from a distance...  I've been busy finishing my slides for / > the talks I'm giving at next week's bootcamp.  >  > --  
 > John Reagan 1 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:10:19 -0400 & From: Taylor <taylor.taylor@gmail.com>+ Subject: Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman! : Message-ID: <djcne.12528$_r1.645889@news20.bellglobal.com>   Briar Rabbit wrote:    > Nomen Nescio wrote:  >  >  >>J >> If you had read the book you would know that he escaped by turning his  >> foreskin * >> inside out and using it as a parachute. >>J >> They had to omit that part from the movie because the actor who played  >> Frank's part,% >> Leonardo DiCaprio, is circumcised.  >>F >> You should know all this, since you're the expert on foreskins and  >> circumcision. >> >> http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?as_q=circumcision&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=jfmezei&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2005&safe=off  >> >>G >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/a3716cf0c9e12606  >> >  > I > Well that is true. But lets rephrase that. Because of his psychosexual  J > obsession with foreskins he is radically anti-circumcision. A real skin  > freak. >   I But you can be very pro-circ and be a "skin freak"... a foreskin phobia.  3   A circumfetish ISN'T just an anti-circ trait. :-p   I I thought this post was going to be about Adam West and Burt Ward when I   read this subject line. lol    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:00:19 -0400/ From: "Geoffrey Welsh" <reply@newsgroup.please> + Subject: Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman! 4 Message-ID: <40489$429db176$cf70371c$2901@PRIMUS.CA>   Dominique Cormann wrote:: > In article <91a126be6e2bb5703d6a418b28351ab0@dizum.com>, > nobody@dizum.com says... > + > Why do you keep spaming our usenet group?    Because people answer him.     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:08:38 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID8 Message-ID: <1lnq919is1k00qivitti9b00fgsi5srmeg@4ax.com>  K On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:24:01 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:  E >Are europeans required to present this card when boarding a domestic  >flight or train ?  P You need to present photo ID when boarding domestic flights normally national ID card or passport.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:49:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDB Message-ID: <1117612147.4ca8d12cfa20e80434ec5ba9e42f7eb5@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote: >  War, bad as it is, isD > one thing.  Killing thousands (or more) people for whatever reason' > requires a total disregard for life.    " One needs to better define "war".   C What the USA has done in Iraq was not war. It was an unprovoked and A illegal attack that killed far more iraqis and destroyed far more @ infrastructure than what happened in the USA on 9-11. Heck, yourD government sent more than half has many americans to their deaths inB Iraq, and injured far more americans. (and that isn't counting the( 15,000 or so iraqis killed by americans)  G Americans may have been convinced this was perfectly legal, but then al F Qaeda members were also convicned that the 9-11 attacks were perfectly= legitimate. The USA government purposefully misinterpreted UN H resolutions to try to convince americans of the legitimacy, and Al-QaedaK purposefully misinterpreted the Quoran to lend legitimacy to their actions.   D Outside of the USA, nobody though that this invasion of Iraq had anyC legitimacy. Even Bliar knew that it would have required a second UN F resolution to authorise use of force and that such resolution woudln'tH come because the UN inspectors were 6 weeks away to proving all WMDs had in fact been destroyed.   B People in the middle east did not condone Al-Qaeda's 9-11 attacks.A (except for a few isolated incidents).  People in the USA solidly > condoned the Bush attack in iraq by re-electing him instead of+ impeaching that government for war crimes.    D So, if the actions of the Bush regime have raised the anger level ofE terrosists, american citizens are now more at risk  now that they are A seen as supporting the bad policies.  Had americans clearly taken H actions to bring down  and/or impeach the Bush government, it would haveH sent a clear message to the rest of the world that american citizens didG not condone the type of illegal abuse of military force and thus helped > defuse the anger buildup in terrorists. By supporting the Bush: government's actions, american citizens made things worse.  C The solution to terrorism isn't military. It is diplomatic. The USA E needs to set foreign policy that does not motivate people to join the E causes of a few terrorists. And yes, there are other steps to prevent K terrorism, but those are generally very subtle and not visible to citizens.   G The Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz policies added fuel to terrorism. And the G USA government decided use give itself fascist state powers to give the H impression that it was protecting americans. Most of the steps taken areC very visible for a good reason: they are politically driven to give G americans the impression that the government is taking drastic steps to E protect them. And it makes it harder for an oppositio party to oppose F any step portrayed as being devised to protect americans.  None of theG invididual steps may be that terrible, but taken together, and when you ? look at the trend, one really wonders where the USA is heading.   E Americans may have been convinced that those steps are necessary, the $ rest of the world sees it otherwise.  C So when we see americans accepting this National ID thing like good G white sheep, we wonder what happened to the good old USA where citizens F would have never allowed their government to pass such laws as Patriot> Act or this national ID thing burried in some military budget.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:45:07 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID& Message-ID: <429d7592$1@news1.ethz.ch>   JF Mezei wrote: H > any step portrayed as being devised to protect americans.  None of theI > invididual steps may be that terrible, but taken together, and when you A > look at the trend, one really wonders where the USA is heading.   A Neither the newly found fundamental christianity of the american  E politicians is going to help much establish successful international   relationships.   S  (boy, are we off topic or what)    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 07:44:16 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <qM$F0Nz$5nLt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <CcI4lU+N4IS8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > B > Sadly ?   I thought that was one of the strengths upon which the4 > Space Shuttle relied -- different implementations.  B    The shuttle relies on different implementations of the criticalB    flight software on different computers.  The software on the ISD    isn't as critical (it can all be off for hours at a time, and has@    been), and each is implemented once on multiple copies of the
    same chip.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:41:08 -0500* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>H Subject: RE: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDA Message-ID: <3A0A94E82B68C64D9412D3CA3B32D6A68C05F7@EMAILSERVER3>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:D > In article <1117570729.5ad78b1e6762cfd132408dab5381a438@teranews>,1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>B >>> And you don't think they already do that?  In most metro areas9 >>> the streets are riddled with cameras and microphones.  >>D >> That doesn't allow the authorities to type in your name and ask a$ >> computer where you currently are. > C > Neither does carrying a National ID Card in your pocket.  But the D > cameras, microphones, cell phones, GPS in cars, etc does a heck of
 > a lot more.   @ Its nice to know all our liberties disappear.  Look at what the G "patriot act" did to online communications.  You can say its not abused D but fact is there is no monitoring checks and balances system to howC any of this information is used.  And its all pushed past in a rush , over the need for better "national security"  G This last one is even more pathetic since they tacked it onto something $ else and didn't even debate over it.  K The "I don't have anything to hide" mindset is scares me, your losing your   rights and grinning about it.   F >> Seems to me that from a bobile networ costs point of view, GM would= >> have designed OnStar to be on-demand only and not transmit  >> constantly. > E > On who's demand?  Yours, or theirs?  Now you really have more to be  > paranoid about.  :-)  G I will not by a car with onstar.  I've already hear of that information  being ! abused by personal investigators.     A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:48:43 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID0 Message-ID: <119rm3o185d2a6c@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> War, bad as it is, isD >>one thing.  Killing thousands (or more) people for whatever reason' >>requires a total disregard for life.   >  > $ > One needs to better define "war".  > , > What the USA has done in Iraq was not war.  H Regardless of what someone writes, you always ignore it and use it as a ) soapbox for the same ad nausium rhetoric.   C Forget the US.  Imagine it happens in Moscow.  The point was, some  F idiots are ignoring hugh stockpiles of really nasty weapons, thinking C (can't really be thinking) that they could never be used.  Hurt an  I entity badly enough, and the backlash could be a large scale use of said   weapons.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:03:32 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID0 Message-ID: <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  J > I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been curtailed.F > More rights are taken away at the local level (usually with the full7 > agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level.   # You're right about the local level.   G I think you're missing an important concept.  If anyone's capabilities  G are curtailed, regardless of who it is, then the next time it COULD be  E you.  So whether or not you're currently impacted, it's important to  ( resist any curtailing by the government.  H Can you fly your aircraft into Washington National airport?  What?  You I don't have an aircraft?  Well some do, and the ADIZ around Washington DC  D has caused hardship for many.  The ones who have been curtailed are E small general aviation aircraft, and even smaller light recreational  G aircraft.  Not the large airliners carrying large fuel loads that were  E used on 9-11.  The government is good at oppressing minorities.  Not  D enough votes to matter.  If they would try that with airliners, the C backlash would be more than they could handle.  So it's ignore the  I guilty and hound the innocent (too small to matter).  It's only a matter  F of time until they get around to 'your' minority.  That's why it's in H every citizen's interest to resist any curtailing of anyone.  United we I stay free, divided we'll surely fall.  Your "I haven't lost anything" is   a very dangerous attitude.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:32:47 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukH Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID) Message-ID: <d7knvf$m1j$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   Z In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >Bill Gunshannon wrote:  > K >> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been curtailed. G >> More rights are taken away at the local level (usually with the full 8 >> agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level. >  >It's only a matter G >of time until they get around to 'your' minority.  That's why it's in  I >every citizen's interest to resist any curtailing of anyone.  United we  J >stay free, divided we'll surely fall.  Your "I haven't lost anything" is  >a very dangerous attitude.  >   = As the German Pastor Martin Niemoller said about Nazi Germany   O "When they came for the Jews, I did nothing, for I am not a Jew. When they came O for the Socialists, I did nothing, for I am not a Socialist. When they came for N the labour leaders, the homosexuals, the gypsies, I did nothing, for I am noneN of these, and when they came for me, I was alone, there was no one to stand up for me."    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >-- 5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 ? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  >170 Grimplin Road >Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:23:26 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <3g698eFaurrpU1@individual.net>   0 In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > K >> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been curtailed. G >> More rights are taken away at the local level (usually with the full 8 >> agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level. > % > You're right about the local level.   < And more often then not, we are not even talking about local; government. ( I recently heard about a development that now = has a rule against having your garage door open except during = the act of taking your car out or putting it in said garage.)    > I > I think you're missing an important concept.  If anyone's capabilities  I > are curtailed, regardless of who it is, then the next time it COULD be  G > you.  So whether or not you're currently impacted, it's important to  * > resist any curtailing by the government.  A But that's one of the good things about our governmrnt.  When the A people decide something is a bad idea (Prohibition) they have the ? ability to fix it, even if it means throwing the rascals out of D office.  But a real majority would have to agree it was a bad thing,) not just a small handfull of malcontents.    > ? > Can you fly your aircraft into Washington National airport?     < No, and I can't drive my Ferrari down I81 at 200 MPH either.  J >                                                              What?  You  > don't have an aircraft?     @ I don't have a Ferrari either, but I could get one of them a lot easier than an aircraft.  L >                           Well some do, and the ADIZ around Washington DC F > has caused hardship for many.  The ones who have been curtailed are G > small general aviation aircraft, and even smaller light recreational J
 > aircraft.  e  E And your point is?  Sorry, you do not have a "right" to fly a private G aircraft.  You are licensed by the government to do so subject to what- C ever arbitrary rules they choose to impose.  Just like driving youre% car on the Interstate Highway System.d  H >           Not the large airliners carrying large fuel loads that were C > used on 9-11.  The government is good at oppressing minorities.  n  B Oh please.  No other country in the world has the freedom we have. Minority or not.  F >                                                                 Not F > enough votes to matter.  If they would try that with airliners, the E > backlash would be more than they could handle.  So it's ignore the rK > guilty and hound the innocent (too small to matter).  It's only a matter sH > of time until they get around to 'your' minority.  That's why it's in J > every citizen's interest to resist any curtailing of anyone.  United we K > stay free, divided we'll surely fall.  Your "I haven't lost anything" is N > a very dangerous attitude. >   H Like I said, if you want to be paranoid, you should at least be paranoidG about the things (and people) that matter.  The government is the leastiC threatening of all.  Of course, one other freedom we have that manydG others don't have is the freedom to leave if you don't agree.  The lastoF real person I know of who did that for other than economic reasons was Charlie Chaplin.   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   O   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:29:11 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>i  ) In article <d7knvf$m1j$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>,t! 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: \ > In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>L >>> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been curtailed.H >>> More rights are taken away at the local level (usually with the full9 >>> agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level.  >> >>It's only a matter nH >>of time until they get around to 'your' minority.  That's why it's in J >>every citizen's interest to resist any curtailing of anyone.  United we K >>stay free, divided we'll surely fall.  Your "I haven't lost anything" is   >>a very dangerous attitude. >> > ? > As the German Pastor Martin Niemoller said about Nazi GermanyI > Q > "When they came for the Jews, I did nothing, for I am not a Jew. When they cameiQ > for the Socialists, I did nothing, for I am not a Socialist. When they came fornP > the labour leaders, the homosexuals, the gypsies, I did nothing, for I am noneP > of these, and when they came for me, I was alone, there was no one to stand up
 > for me."  J Trite old story.  This is not Nazi Germany and no one is being marched offI to death camps.  In the 30's people were trying to leave the area of Nazi G influence, not risk their lives trying to get there like they do comingeD here.  Consider one other thing.  We were never attacked by Germany.H Using today's Liberal logic (how's that for an oxymoron) we should neverE have interfered with Germany's actions.  Life just isn't so black and9" white as some would like it to be.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 06:02:20 -0700t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>AY Subject: Re: ITRC Natural Language Search (was Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map Opet( Message-ID: <opsrozt6e1zgicya@hyrrokkin>     SMG\$ERASE\_DISPLAY  works.s  2 On Tue, 31 May 2005 13:44:47 -0400, Peter Weaver  & <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote:   > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> ...< >> Sorry about that I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted. > H > No need for you to be sorry, if HP puts a box on a page labeled SEARCHB > with an option for "All of HP" then that SEARCH box should work! >  >> ...C >> There are also other NFS related documents to be found using thei- >> HP natural language search assistant at...  >> ... > G > Both you and Martin mention the Natural Language Search Assistant. DocG > people actually find that useful? Any searing I have done with it haseG > been a waste of time because it treats "$" and "_" as white space. SoyH > searching for something like SMG$ERASE_DISPLAY brings up every articleJ > on SMG because it treats ERASE and DISPLAY as separate words. HP knew ofG > this limitation before they shutdown access to old database, but theywI > still shut it down. The other interesting thing that I found is that if E > you use the plus sign to say that words must appear the "+" is onlyhH > honoured on the first page, if you go to page 2 then the search stringG > is treated as if you did not use the "+". I found this when searchingNI > for "BATCH$RESTART" since BATCH$RESTART is treated as BATCH or RESTART.eH > I was told to try +BATCH +RESTART. When I tried this I found that manyH > of the articles returned after the first page did not contain the workF > RESTART. I also tried searching just for "+RESTART" last January and3 > found that the first article on page 2 pointed toBK > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/askkcs/hpcg/215_0_42530879_3296595.html A > which does not even contain the word restart. So as far as I amsH > concerned I think the Natural Language Search just does not work, I am8 > surprised that you and Martin seem to be endorsing it. >d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:40:33 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forumm0 Message-ID: <00A449F4.E48CFC50@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <429d441c$0$16642$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes: >Sue, you said:t >=H > > PLEASE PLEASE have the latest anti-virus software update put on yourI > > laptop's, we have noticed that people share a lot of files and we arep+ > > so used to VMS that we assume security.m >eG >Is McAfee a good software to HP's eyes, or should I remove it and put  . >bad old standard Norton back on my HP laptop?  F You should toss the Mickey$haft PeeCee laptop and get a Mac!  Then you# wouldn't have to worry about these.    -- :K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM:            w5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:45:16 GMT6! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>t3 Subject: Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forumM8 Message-ID: <lq7r91hscf36tmiftahnspqf5jlbtpfok8@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:40:33 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:a  e >In article <429d441c$0$16642$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:n >>Sue, you said: >>I >> > PLEASE PLEASE have the latest anti-virus software update put on youreJ >> > laptop's, we have noticed that people share a lot of files and we are, >> > so used to VMS that we assume security. >>H >>Is McAfee a good software to HP's eyes, or should I remove it and put / >>bad old standard Norton back on my HP laptop?w >mG >You should toss the Mickey$haft PeeCee laptop and get a Mac!  Then youn$ >wouldn't have to worry about these.  K There is a version of Norton Antivirus for Macintosh. Are people who buy itD wasting their money?   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 04:15:02 -0700  From: moon_dust_lady@yahoo.com% Subject: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?cC Message-ID: <1117624502.465069.185790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>r   Nomen Nescio wrote:p  Q > If you had read the book you would know that he escaped by turning his foreskinn) > inside out and using it as a parachute.  >fV > They had to omit that part from the movie because the actor who played Frank's part,$ > Leonardo DiCaprio, is circumcised.  F Why do you say that Leonardo DiCaprio is circumcised?  According to anB interview with actor John Leguizamo, Leonardo DiCpario told him he@ wasn't circumcised.  Do you know something that contradicts this
 statement?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:49:41 GMT ( From: Sarina <diane-rott@houston.rr.com>% Subject: Re: MJ will not be convictedg8 Message-ID: <s4qq915tc26a4t9id91rv44caljgm0isj4@4ax.com>  A On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:28:46 +0300, "kenny" <mjj@mijack.co> wrote:.  / >Read my type... IT IS UNIX-LIKE, its not Unix.  >l# >http://www.osdata.com/oses/vms.htmt >o >aN > "Unless an operating system has officially passed the X/OPEN UNIX branding, L >it can not be considered a UNIX. It can only be considered to be UNIX like L >or compatible. Because UNIX is a registered trademark of X/OPEN, this is a L >legal issue. In trademark law, the owner of a trademark must prosecute any J >known generic use of their trademark or they can lose their trademark. I N >know it seems petty, but that is the way the U.S. legal system works." -John 	 >Malmbergg >D >hF Word of advice:  stop while you still think you are ahead.  Perhaps byE the time they have stopped laughing their asses off at you, they wille@ have forgotten why. ;)  Doubtful, but there's always the chance.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 10:30:57 -0700h From: bob@instantwhip.comm7 Subject: OpenVMS.org says don't go to the dark side ...yC Message-ID: <1117647057.412726.235280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>o  " ok, who is in charge of this plan?  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/05/31/5139159    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 08:59:39 GMTB7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279))n1 Subject: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?e$ Message-ID: <2005Jun1.085939@hujicc>   Hello,  M   From time to time I have performance problems related to high I/O (and long-O queue length) to disks. In the past I use the performance advisor to locate thenN top disk accessing processes and the hot files. Is there a replacement package/ for such monitoring? (I am currently at 7.3-2).   B                                                  Thanks! __Yehavi:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:40:57 -0400$ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca>5 Subject: Re: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?t9 Message-ID: <n1ine.9003$yG4.695884@news20.bellglobal.com>e  J CA inherited (and mangled) DecPS-PA --> it is now marketed as AdviseIt -- K functionally the same, but WAY more expensive and with fragile, obstructivey licensing manager.  J Get Enterprise Capacity Planner (ECP) as a free download from HP web-site.E Does most of the same stuff, though not the real-time portions, iirc.y  J Some time spent with MONITOR IO and MONITOR DISK will provide most of what you need as well, in real-time.a   Chris   D "Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)" <yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message news:2005Jun1.085939@hujicc... > Hello, >sJ >   From time to time I have performance problems related to high I/O (and longF > queue length) to disks. In the past I use the performance advisor to
 locate theH > top disk accessing processes and the hot files. Is there a replacement package 1 > for such monitoring? (I am currently at 7.3-2).$ >wD >                                                  Thanks! __Yehavi:   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 06:37:29 -0700U! From: kenneth.randell@verizon.neti5 Subject: Re: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?oC Message-ID: <1117633048.998322.248400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>c   > Hello, >tO >   From time to time I have performance problems related to high I/O (and long8Q > queue length) to disks. In the past I use the performance advisor to locate thedP > top disk accessing processes and the hot files. Is there a replacement package1 > for such monitoring? (I am currently at 7.3-2).m >s  G This largely depends on how much money/time you have.  A non-exhaustive^ list would include:t  2 Free tools, none of which will tell you PROCESSES:   MONITORn T4 (recently updated)j ECPe  D $SHOW MEMORY/CACHE=FILE=device:*.* can tell you HOTFILES if you knowD the volumes of interest and you are willing to sort out the results.  E Commercial products that I can remember -- there are likely others...    PAWZ (PerfCap) ADVISE-IT (CA) SIGHTLINE (Sightline Systems)e  A All of these have HOTFILES information; however, if you MUST havegD PROCESS .vs. HOTFILES information, I'm pretty sure ADVISE-IT will doC this; SIGHTLINE will as well.  I don't remember about PAWZ or othert	 products.:  7 In any case, knowing your workload would be a good ideai   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:00:19 -0400* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>5 Subject: Re: Replacement for DEC performance advisor?e+ Message-ID: <3g60qjFaol98U1@individual.net>s  0 "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca> wrote in message 3 news:n1ine.9003$yG4.695884@news20.bellglobal.com...hL > CA inherited (and mangled) DecPS-PA --> it is now marketed as AdviseIt -- B > functionally the same, but WAY more expensive and with fragile, 
 > obstructivev > licensing manager. > L > Get Enterprise Capacity Planner (ECP) as a free download from HP web-site.G > Does most of the same stuff, though not the real-time portions, iirc.e >aL > Some time spent with MONITOR IO and MONITOR DISK will provide most of what! > you need as well, in real-time.e >w > Christ >pF > "Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)" <yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message  > news:2005Jun1.085939@hujicc...	 >> Hello,s >>K >>   From time to time I have performance problems related to high I/O (and  > longG >> queue length) to disks. In the past I use the performance advisor to  > locate theI >> top disk accessing processes and the hot files. Is there a replacementM	 > package 2 >> for such monitoring? (I am currently at 7.3-2). >>E >>                                                  Thanks! __Yehavi:, >h  M Or check our www.perfcap.com. These people were the ones who wrote the stuff eM that DEC sold to CA. It costs but is does a lot. There is always a place for == all three (Monitor, ECP and Perfcap's PAWZ). I use all three.'   Marty    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:02:05 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>= Subject: Re: VARM (Vax Architecture Reference Manual) on EBayA2 Message-ID: <hline.6291$lc2.2483@news.cpqcorp.net>   Richard wrote:$ > For those who may be interested... > S > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=70737&item=5203915081&rd=1N >  > - RichardT >   2 It doesn't have the dust cover like mine does. :-)   -- o John Reagano/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaders Hewlett-Packard Companyi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:23:03 GMTr) From: jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net>R. Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)8 Message-ID: <nvnr919o8q8aps4pf9ce4hov9kbfhotleq@4ax.com>  F On 31 May 2005 18:45:44 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  9 >In article <5fbp919quq439a408hrdbijv38lqsffrrr@4ax.com>,3- >	jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net> writes: = >> On 29 May 2005 01:06:26 -0700, anuj.goyal@gmail.com wrote:B >> TG >>>after 2 days on this sytem I am very very impressed, rock solid (theVJ >>>way an OS should be).  the DCL syntax does take some getting used to...> >>>is there a rosetta stone for win32, unix, openvms commands? >>>v >> e1 >> Grab an English dictionary and/or a Thesaurus.g >>   >tG >And let me know when you find MIBCOMP, TFF, CXX, GENCAT, LANCP, LATCP,  >DSR, ACS, NCP, UIL........w  C Note:  DCL syntax was the question.  None of the above are straightrE DCL, but are instead other utilities.  As and aside, LATCP is exactly-C what I would look for if I wanted to manage LAT.  LANCP and NCP arerE probably the next most-used (at one time), but again, like the others C they aren't really VMS DCL, they are specific utilities to manage a  specific thing.   C I've never even had MIBCOMP, TFF, CXX, GENCAT, DSR, ACS on a systeml( I've managed, so they hardly even count.  D So your examples are hardly valid as counter-arguments about DCL and it's syntax being English-like.b   --- jlsa0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.5 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,i and certainly not my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 01:10:04 -0700g* From: "MDPlatts" <martin.platts@cdl.co.uk>G Subject: Wrong (2004) dates on latest patch kits  for V7.3-1 and V7.3-2&C Message-ID: <1117613404.097582.262260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>=  C I use the firefox search/highlight feature to look for patches withp= "/05/2005" dates on them - and as the V7.3-1 and V7.3-2 patchtD directories indicated there had been releases on the 31st may I went9 looking for what was there - only to find nothing showings  @ It seems like whoever put them there has the wrong date on theirA machine as they are all coming out with 2004 dates on them - i.e.iB 31/5/2004 - I have to wonder what other patches have been released= recently that I've missed if this is not a single occurrence.-  G I can see it on V7.3-1 lan v13.0 patch and the v7.3-2 mathrtl patches -o; along with both master eco lists - there may be others too.i   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 03:13:30 -0700M* From: "MDPlatts" <martin.platts@cdl.co.uk>J Subject: Re: Wrong (2004) dates on latest patch kits for V7.3-1 and V7.3-2C Message-ID: <1117620810.930481.143250@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>e  G theres also the DECdtm (IIRC) for V8.2 itanium and the V7.3-2 shadowing0 V3 patch too   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:09:08 -0400h6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>I Subject: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)F0 Message-ID: <hIydnf1Wwon4OADfRVn-ow@comcast.com>   Nigel Barker wrote:  <snip> > M > There is a version of Norton Antivirus for Macintosh. Are people who buy ith > wasting their money? >   I My understanding (as a MAC "newbie") is that folks who use AV for MAC do fI so in order to prevent viruses from being passed on to their friends who 0( use Windows.  No "native" viruses (yet).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:48:09 GMTh" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGM Subject: Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum) 0 Message-ID: <00A44A1F.DD1A595E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <hIydnf1Wwon4OADfRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet> writes:o >Nigel Barker wrote: ><snip>t >> AN >> There is a version of Norton Antivirus for Macintosh. Are people who buy it >> wasting their money?d >> y >fJ >My understanding (as a MAC "newbie") is that folks who use AV for MAC do J >so in order to prevent viruses from being passed on to their friends who ) >use Windows.  No "native" viruses (yet).s  G Yup.  Exactly what I was told it does.  Why should I spend my money to  F protect idiots stupid enough to spend their money on Billzebub Gates's
 schlockwarez.v   -- hK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 12:18:49 -0500e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)yM Subject: Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum) 3 Message-ID: <ZLdpAXYbRP4o@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  i In article <hIydnf1Wwon4OADfRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet> writes:n > Nigel Barker wrote:  > <snip> >>  N >> There is a version of Norton Antivirus for Macintosh. Are people who buy it >> wasting their money?n >>   > K > My understanding (as a MAC "newbie") is that folks who use AV for MAC do nK > so in order to prevent viruses from being passed on to their friends who o* > use Windows.  No "native" viruses (yet).  D    There have been lots of viruses for Mac.  Most of them can't dealG    with any Mac OS of the last decade.  The anti-virus programs for Mac C    deal with these, Windows virii that might get passed around, anda?    virii that attack via other MS products, such as Word, whichi=    implement thier applicaion specific virus enablers on Mac.o  F    For example, you can get the Concept virus on Word, no matter whichD    platform you're running Word on.  It uses a Word specific enabler-    that functions the same on both platforms.t  F    If someone did a port of real MS Word to VMS, they could enable theE    same application specific security hole.  And they wouldn't be theo1    first to accomplish this sort of thing on VMS.n   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 00:50:34 -0700l From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.auo: Subject: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system serviceC Message-ID: <1117612234.753634.118780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Group,s  A I am playing with SYS$GETJPI and using the JPI$_CPUTIM item list.l; JPI$_CPUTIM returns at longword with 10 milliseconds ticks.o  C I am having trouble using system services to convert this time to ad6 ascii string for display like in the show sys command.  D For instance a process returns 20184323 in the JPI$_CPUTIM longword.E How do I convert this time using system services to the ascii versionn& displayed in show sys - 2 08:04:03.23.  - I tried the following code with out much lucht    uint32 cputime;B  uint32 timemask =1;  // just display day hour minute and seconds.4  int64 timemap = -10000 * cputime;   //delta time???  char datestring[23];r5  struct dsc$descriptor datedesc = {23, DSC$K_DTYPE_T,l DSC$K_CLASS_S, datestring};v9  status = sys$asctim ( 0, &datedesc, &timemap, timemask);I   But I get 00:00:02.02.   What have I done wrong?-   Thanks   stuie-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:36:07 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service2 Message-ID: <d7js1n$8sa$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  , <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message= news:1117612234.753634.118780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...a  / > I tried the following code with out much luchr >h >  uint32 cputime;D >  uint32 timemask =1;  // just display day hour minute and seconds.6 >  int64 timemap = -10000 * cputime;   //delta time??? >  char datestring[23];a7 >  struct dsc$descriptor datedesc = {23, DSC$K_DTYPE_T,- > DSC$K_CLASS_S, datestring};a; >  status = sys$asctim ( 0, &datedesc, &timemap, timemask);n >p > But I get 00:00:02.02. >u > What have I done wrong?n   The multiplication.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:53:53 +10006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>> Subject: Re: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system serviceX Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE34@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5668F.F7E230E5 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablen  C >From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au [mailto:stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au]n >Sent: Wed 6/1/2005 5:50 PMf >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; >Subject: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service- >=20
 >Hi Group, >lB >I am playing with SYS$GETJPI and using the JPI$_CPUTIM item list.< >JPI$_CPUTIM returns at longword with 10 milliseconds ticks. >1D >I am having trouble using system services to convert this time to a7 >ascii string for display like in the show sys command.s > E >For instance a process returns 20184323 in the JPI$_CPUTIM longword.wF >How do I convert this time using system services to the ascii version' >displayed in show sys - 2 08:04:03.23.c >r. >I tried the following code with out much luch    Luch is where I go to midday :-)   > uint32 cputime;eE > uint32 timemask =3D1;  // just display day hour minute and seconds.a7 > int64 timemap =3D -10000 * cputime;   //delta time???l > char datestring[23];8 > struct dsc$descriptor datedesc =3D {23, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, >DSC$K_CLASS_S, datestring};< > status =3D sys$asctim ( 0, &datedesc, &timemap, timemask); >n >But I get 00:00:02.02.  >t >What have I done wrong? >e >Thanksa    @ Just a very quick response, but hopefully might give you a clue.  L In my Fortran routines, the first argument is writeable (as the help says),=K  yours is not.  So you might be getting an error status and no translation.'  L I believe you're in Sydney, if that's correct, are you in TAFE or Uni near = Central?   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************i  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedn@ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.,  C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20sC immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20,? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20bC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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TransGrid uses<BR>jB virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>e </FONT>l </BODY>M </HTML>s) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5668F.F7E230E5--    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 08:08:22 -0500e From: briggs@encompasserve.org> Subject: Re: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service3 Message-ID: <p1DSWimdZLFI@eisner.encompasserve.org>i   In article <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE34@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>, "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:GD >>From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au [mailto:stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au] >>Sent: Wed 6/1/2005 5:50 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh< >>Subject: [Q]JPI$_CPUTIM to ascii time using system service >>=20. >>Hi Group,m >>C >>I am playing with SYS$GETJPI and using the JPI$_CPUTIM item list.f= >>JPI$_CPUTIM returns at longword with 10 milliseconds ticks.  >>E >>I am having trouble using system services to convert this time to ar8 >>ascii string for display like in the show sys command. >>F >>For instance a process returns 20184323 in the JPI$_CPUTIM longword.G >>How do I convert this time using system services to the ascii versionf( >>displayed in show sys - 2 08:04:03.23. >>/ >>I tried the following code with out much luche > " > Luch is where I go to midday :-) >  >> uint32 cputime;F >> uint32 timemask =3D1;  // just display day hour minute and seconds.8 >> int64 timemap =3D -10000 * cputime;   //delta time??? >> char datestring[23];@9 >> struct dsc$descriptor datedesc =3D {23, DSC$K_DTYPE_T,i >>DSC$K_CLASS_S, datestring}; = >> status =3D sys$asctim ( 0, &datedesc, &timemap, timemask);  >> >>But I get 00:00:02.02. >> >>What have I done wrong?l >> >>Thanks >  > B > Just a very quick response, but hopefully might give you a clue. > N > In my Fortran routines, the first argument is writeable (as the help says),=M >  yours is not.  So you might be getting an error status and no translation.o >   ? His first argument -- the one he omitted?  Since C passes using = "by value" semantics by default and since VMS system services B take a zero by value as the indication of an omitted parameter andE since the $ASCTIM indicates that the "timelen" parameter is optional,i there's no problem there.e  A I just did a test compile of his code and, as I had suspected, heaH had a problem with signed and unsigned types and 32 to 64 bit promotion.  B The multiplication was using 32 bit unsigned arithmetic instead of> 64 bit signed arighmetic.  It produced a large 32 bit unsigned= result which was then zero extended to produce a small 64 bitd> absolute time.  (Or so my limited session with DEBUG led me to	 believe).s  6 >> int64 timemap = -10000 * cputime;   //delta time???   should have been:o  *    int64 timeap = -10000 * (int64)cputime;  B As written, the code fragment also used an uninitialized variable,C cputime. I gave it an initializer for testing and the code fragmentF worked properly.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.304 ************************the ADIZ around Washington DC F > has caused hardship for many.  The ones who have been curtailed are G 