1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 305       Contents:P * * * Please Read And/Or Print This! * * *  Press [Ctrl][P] Keys On Your Keyboar Re: ABC problem with disk < Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0< Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0< Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0< Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0< Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0< Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 Re: edt plugin for netbeans " Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman!" Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman!? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID P Re: ITRC Natural Language Search (was Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map OpeP Re: ITRC Natural Language Search (was Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map Ope just getting started questions" Re: just getting started questions" Re: just getting started questions* Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum  Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?  Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?  Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?( Re: OpenVMS Advanced Technical boot camp- OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 source listings... When??? 1 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 source listings... When??? 2 Re: OpenVMS.org says don't go to the dark side ... Test% Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) % Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) % Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) = Re: VNC is great? -and- EDT over VNC -- Gold key doesn't work D Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)D Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)P [OT]: Petro-Euros and the decline of the US dollar- WAS: HP to help governments P Re: [OT]: Petro-Euros and the decline of the US dollar- WAS: HP to help governme  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:24:00 -0700  From: eprint10108@yahoo.com Y Subject: * * * Please Read And/Or Print This! * * *  Press [Ctrl][P] Keys On Your Keyboar C Message-ID: <1117671840.009614.143920@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C * * * Please Read And/Or Print This! * * *  Press [Ctrl][P] Keys On 4 Your Keyboard To Print >> June 1, 2004 8:24:41 pm >>M http://115639.aceboard.net/forum2.php?rub=158&cat=61&login=115639&page=0#id96 F << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *G * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * G * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:08:18 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: ABC problem with disk+ Message-ID: <429E6A12.141F9E9F@comcast.net>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > 2 > On 31 May 2005 at 20:18, David J Dachtera wrote:D > > I have an old '486SX-33 that I upgraded to DX4-100 with an IntelI > > Overdrive CPU. 1.6GB IDE drive, 32MB RAM, and even has a SoundBlaster E > > card with the matching CD-ROM. I even have a 20GB IDE drive which F > > should work with its upgraded BIOS. That should suit their purpose/ > > just fine. Just tell me where to send it...  > E > That would run Linux just great.  I have several client sites doing B > backups to Linux via the open-source DECnet-for-Linux package...  @ I had Mandrake Linux on it at one time, just to play with. Also,D FreeBSD. Currently considering using it as a local file/share server" using the 20GB disk I mentioned...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:57:07 -0400* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 + Message-ID: <3g6b66Fas30sU1@individual.net>   : "Albrecht Schlosser" <ajs856@tiscali.de> wrote in message & news:k9lk7d.t9b.ln@news.hus-soft.de... > Hi,  > G > we got a detached process crash with a final status code of 7B0017C0, . > but I can't find a way to find it's meaning. >  > " > $ @decus:lookup_message 7B0017C0! > Looking in CDA$ACCESSMSG.EXE...    :  > Looking in TECOMSG.EXE... D > %SYSTEM-F-IVSECIDCTL, invalid section identification match control > Looking in TPUMSG.EXE... > Looking in USB$MSG.EXE...  > / > Message not found in any message file. Sorry.  >  > " > BTW, same result on Alpha (V7.3) >   
 How about:   > help/message IVSECIDCTL     8 IVSECIDCTL, invalid section identification match control  ! Facility: SYSTEM, System Services   K Explanation: The match control field in the section identification argument   8 to identify a global section contains an invalid number.  H User Action: Verify that the call to the service is coded correctly. See  : the HP OpenVMS System Services Reference Manual for coding   specifications.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:06:51 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 , Message-ID: <f01l7d.n9c.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Marty O'Connor wrote: < > "Albrecht Schlosser" <ajs856@tiscali.de> wrote in message ( > news:k9lk7d.t9b.ln@news.hus-soft.de... >  >>Hi,  >>G >>we got a detached process crash with a final status code of 7B0017C0, . >>but I can't find a way to find it's meaning. >> >>" >>$ @decus:lookup_message 7B0017C0! >>Looking in CDA$ACCESSMSG.EXE...  >  >   :  >  >>Looking in TECOMSG.EXE... D >>%SYSTEM-F-IVSECIDCTL, invalid section identification match control >>Looking in TPUMSG.EXE... >>Looking in USB$MSG.EXE...  >>/ >>Message not found in any message file. Sorry.  >> >>" >>BTW, same result on Alpha (V7.3) >> >  >  > How about: >  >  >>help/message IVSECIDCTL  >   L Ahh, I'm sorry for this misleading _additional_ error message. This message N results from "$ set message sys$message:tecomsg.exe" and is not related to my N real question :-(. However, maybe it's interesting for VMS engineering (hint, 	 hint ;-).   = The question is: what does the status code (%x)7B0017C0 mean?   P BTW, I forgot to mention that there is no stack dump, nor an error message from Q this detached job. The only information I got was the final status code from the   accounting utility.   
 Thanks anyway    Albrecht   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:16:40 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 3 Message-ID: <Rm2KquwLS$hU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <f01l7d.n9c.ln@news.hus-soft.de>, Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> writes:   ? > The question is: what does the status code (%x)7B0017C0 mean?  > R > BTW, I forgot to mention that there is no stack dump, nor an error message from S > this detached job. The only information I got was the final status code from the   > accounting utility.   D    Is there some way you could get a set process/dump into a command2    file and run the process via that command file?  F    Alternatively, a debug version of the process could be fired up (asF    a detached process, which I assume you need) and attached to DEBUG.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:25:42 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 * Message-ID: <429E6E25.33B7427@comcast.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > ] > In article <f01l7d.n9c.ln@news.hus-soft.de>, Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> writes:  > A > > The question is: what does the status code (%x)7B0017C0 mean?  > > S > > BTW, I forgot to mention that there is no stack dump, nor an error message from T > > this detached job. The only information I got was the final status code from the > > accounting utility.  > F >    Is there some way you could get a set process/dump into a command4 >    file and run the process via that command file? > H >    Alternatively, a debug version of the process could be fired up (asH >    a detached process, which I assume you need) and attached to DEBUG.  G Also, on the command to create the detached process, see if you can use E /OUTPUT to specify a disk file destination for SYS$OUTPUT data. Maybe * that will capture what you're looking for.  F Note that the highest order 1/2-byte of that completion status is "7".H Not sure what that might mean. I'm accustomed to seeing either 0 or 1 inG that position, but I think the other bits have some meaning as well (in 1 this case, the bit pattern is "0111", 4+2+1 = 7).   A Note also, that the severity of that status is non-fatal ("-W-").  Something strange there, too.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:45:46 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 ( Message-ID: <429E80EA.90407@bigpond.com>  & David J Dachtera mentioned in passing: > Bob Koehler wrote: > ] >>In article <f01l7d.n9c.ln@news.hus-soft.de>, Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> writes:  >> >>@ >>>The question is: what does the status code (%x)7B0017C0 mean? >>> R >>>BTW, I forgot to mention that there is no stack dump, nor an error message fromS >>>this detached job. The only information I got was the final status code from the  >>>accounting utility. >>F >>   Is there some way you could get a set process/dump into a command4 >>   file and run the process via that command file? >>H >>   Alternatively, a debug version of the process could be fired up (asH >>   a detached process, which I assume you need) and attached to DEBUG. >  > I > Also, on the command to create the detached process, see if you can use G > /OUTPUT to specify a disk file destination for SYS$OUTPUT data. Maybe , > that will capture what you're looking for. > H > Note that the highest order 1/2-byte of that completion status is "7".J > Not sure what that might mean. I'm accustomed to seeing either 0 or 1 inI > that position, but I think the other bits have some meaning as well (in 3 > this case, the bit pattern is "0111", 4+2+1 = 7).  > C > Note also, that the severity of that status is non-fatal ("-W-").  > Something strange there, too.   9 I would suspect that the status code you have is bogus...    literal STS$M_SEVERITY = %X'7'; $ literal STS$M_COND_ID = %X'FFFFFF8';% literal STS$M_CONTROL = %X'F0000000';  literal STS$M_SUCCESS = %X'1';  literal STS$M_MSG_NO = %X'FFF8'; literal STS$M_CODE = %X'7FF8';  literal STS$M_FAC_SP = %X'8000';% literal STS$M_CUST_DEF = %X'8000000'; ' literal STS$M_INHIB_MSG = %X'10000000'; # literal STS$M_FAC_NO = %X'FFF0000';   * Only two of the top four bits are defined.   Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:55:25 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 * Message-ID: <429E832D.6090005@bigpond.com>  / David B Sneddon - bigpond mentioned in passing:  > ; > I would suspect that the status code you have is bogus...  > ! > literal STS$M_SEVERITY = %X'7'; & > literal STS$M_COND_ID = %X'FFFFFF8';' > literal STS$M_CONTROL = %X'F0000000';   > literal STS$M_SUCCESS = %X'1';" > literal STS$M_MSG_NO = %X'FFF8';  > literal STS$M_CODE = %X'7FF8';" > literal STS$M_FAC_SP = %X'8000';' > literal STS$M_CUST_DEF = %X'8000000'; ) > literal STS$M_INHIB_MSG = %X'10000000'; % > literal STS$M_FAC_NO = %X'FFF0000';  > , > Only two of the top four bits are defined.         ^^^ < That should be "only ONE" of the top four bits is defined...   Regards, Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:29:24 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)$ Subject: Re: edt plugin for netbeans6 Message-ID: <00A44A4F.892CFC47@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  a In article <84mdnfmNz-0aOwDfRVn-ow@comcast.com>, "Meg Watson" <meg@alumni.vanderbilt.edu> writes:   M >I have the source, would you like a copy?   I'll be happy to mail it to you.  >  >Meg Watson ! >Distributed NetBeans for OpenVMS   ) Actually, I'd kind of like to see it too.   7 Would you mail it to me, too? winston@slac.stanford.edu    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:19:24 -0400 & From: Taylor <taylor.taylor@gmail.com>+ Subject: Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman! ( Message-ID: <429E88CC.3000906@gmail.com>   Geoffrey Welsh wrote:    > Dominique Cormann wrote: > : >>In article <91a126be6e2bb5703d6a418b28351ab0@dizum.com>, >>nobody@dizum.com says... >>+ >>Why do you keep spaming our usenet group?  >  >  > Because people answer him.   >  >   & Which newsgroup is your's? Thanks. :-)   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 05:46:33 +0000 (UTC)& From: Taylor <taylor.taylor@gmail.com>+ Subject: Re: Holy Flying Foreskins, Batman! $ Message-ID: <d7m6fo$s6g$1@online.de>   illegal message cancelled    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:38:48 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID= Message-ID: <r9ydnTEHhaQknQPfRVn-tA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Dave Froble wrote:  >> >>> War, bad as it is, is F >>> one thing.  Killing thousands (or more) people for whatever reason) >>> requires a total disregard for life.   >> >> >>$ >> One needs to better define "war".- >> What the USA has done in Iraq was not war.  >  > J > Regardless of what someone writes, you always ignore it and use it as a + > soapbox for the same ad nausium rhetoric.  > E > Forget the US.  Imagine it happens in Moscow.  The point was, some  H > idiots are ignoring hugh stockpiles of really nasty weapons, thinking ; > (can't really be thinking) that they could never be used.    Not at all.   C Al Qaida didn't 'ignore' the possibility that the U.S. would react  D recklessly, inappropriately, and incompetently to the 9/11 attacks: G they positively welcomed it.  The worse we screw up, the more the rest  H of the world (and increasing numbers of people here at home, if Vietnam F was any example - it just takes a few years for Americans to wake up) I will turn against us and accomplish what Al Qaida never could accomplish   on its own.   I The same applies to Russia, though compared with the Bush administration  4 they're looking like models of restraint these days.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:12:09 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID= Message-ID: <mfadnf_LrNkXlQPfRVn-sQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:+ > In article <d7knvf$m1j$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, # > 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  > \ >>In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >> >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>>  >>> L >>>>I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been curtailed.H >>>>More rights are taken away at the local level (usually with the full9 >>>>agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level.  >>>  >>>It's only a matter I >>>of time until they get around to 'your' minority.  That's why it's in  K >>>every citizen's interest to resist any curtailing of anyone.  United we  L >>>stay free, divided we'll surely fall.  Your "I haven't lost anything" is  >>>a very dangerous attitude.  >>>  >>? >>As the German Pastor Martin Niemoller said about Nazi Germany  >>Q >>"When they came for the Jews, I did nothing, for I am not a Jew. When they came Q >>for the Socialists, I did nothing, for I am not a Socialist. When they came for P >>the labour leaders, the homosexuals, the gypsies, I did nothing, for I am noneP >>of these, and when they came for me, I was alone, there was no one to stand up
 >>for me." >  >  > Trite old story.  C While your use of the word 'trite' may fall within its definition,  ; applying it in this particular case verges on incompetence.   : > This is not Nazi Germany and no one is being marched off > to death camps.   F You seem to be ignoring those (IIRC the number is now at least on the : order of 100) who have died in U.S. custody (often 'under H interrogation') while being held (for years) without any shred of legal > justification (and in complete disregard for the pleas of the D international organizations charged with overseeing such matters) - F without even having been *charged* with anything.  Not to mention the H attempts that the Bush administration has made to extend such practices G to U.S. citizens (not that being a U.S. citizen has a great deal to do   with their immorality).   I Plus issues such as explicit efforts to obfuscate the legal prohibitions  I regarding government-sanctioned torture, military aggression in defiance  A of international law, blatant capitalization upon the subsequent  A occupation for the benefit of the occupier (again in defiance of  E international law), overtly bribing, bullying, and threatening other  F nations in pursuing goals, rushed passage of legislation dramatically ? curtailing domestic civil liberties in the name of 'security',  G ratcheting up military expenditures under the same rationale, invoking  F nationalistic and religious sentiment in support of extremist policy, B blatant disregard for even medium-term economic responsibility in B pursuing short-term goals - just to list some things which spring ? immediately to mind rather than take the time to create a more   comprehensive compendium.   G Perhaps you're simply not sufficiently acquainted with Nazi Germany to  G see the parallels - in which case you might be well-advised to refrain  / from making a fool of yourself by denying them.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:46:44 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID( Message-ID: <429E10A4.174710A0@mist.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Dave Froble wrote: > >  War, bad as it is, isF > > one thing.  Killing thousands (or more) people for whatever reason( > > requires a total disregard for life. > # > One needs to better define "war".  > E > What the USA has done in Iraq was not war. It was an unprovoked and C > illegal attack that killed far more iraqis and destroyed far more 8 > infrastructure than what happened in the USA on 9-11.   ; But it was provoked, but not by what the media has reported & or what Bush had spoke publicly about.< When Nixon got the US off the Gold standard in 1972, he also: made sure that the dollar was propped up by something else8 instead of gold... oil.  He made sure that all oil sales6 were done in US Dollars.  The first gulf war irritated: Saddam, so in revenge, Saddam was going to use the Euro as; the standard instead of the dollar.  If he had done so, the ; US economy would be in shambles and everyone in soup lines.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:15:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <429E174C.8750264@teksavvy.com>    Bill Todd wrote:@ > You seem to be ignoring those  who have died in U.S. custody  9 > while being held (for years) without any shred of legal ? > justification (and in complete disregard for the pleas of the D > international organizations charged with overseeing such matters)     G What I find most interesting is that the USA constitution (as does most B civilised nations' ) garantees humand and legal rights to PEOPLE.   B Yet, the americans seem to accept that legal rights should only beE granted to USA citizens and that non-citizens need not be treated the  same way as american citizens.  C Despite clear cases of the USA government not following its duty to E uphold the constitution and garantee due legal process to all people, 9 americans are applauding and re-electing that government.   H But next time some american is arrested in a foreign nation, you can betB your derrire that the USA government will do whatever it takes toA ensure that american citizen is granted due legal process in that G country, even though that USA citizen is not a citizen of that country.   D And in terms of comparison with Hittler. It isn't the actions of theF government which are being compared. But rather how the population wasF manipulated into supporting it, followed by a period of disbelief thatE they government could ever do such atrocities. And eventually, people - wake up and feel terribly guilty for decades.   D The big question is how much more damage will the USA inflict on theB world and on itself before american wake up and put a stop to this terrible period.  G People outside the USA cannot understand how you could try to impeach a D president who lied about getting a blow job in the oval office whileG talking on the phone to a world leader, but don't even try to impeach a C president  who ignores his duty to uphold the constitution , breaks F international law and illegally invades another country, killing 1600+! americans and over 15,000 iraqis.     ? You accept Bush's plea of ignorance about the the lack of Iraqi C evidence, but disbelieved Clinton's assertions that he did not have F sexual relations with that lady Miss Lewinsky. And you ignore the factD that other world leaders had openly said that the so called evidenceG presented by the USA was not worth the paper it was printed on, and the G fact that UN inspectors who went to all of the sites given by americans G found 0 evidence of any such weapons prior to the USA attacks starting.   G The guy lied to you and you don't do anything about it. Lying about war E which results in loss of life is far worse offense than lying about a 	 blow job.   E And then the guy has the gall to tell you the social security plan is ? going to be bankrupt in X years because he is not making proper @ contributions to it now, and a week later, goes out and asks forF supplementary 87 billion dollar spending spree to give his military toH continue their atrocities in Iraq and that gets voted in without debate.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:16:33 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID, Message-ID: <xqOdnZogZYcguAPfRVn-tw@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>,+ > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>A >>> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been E >>> curtailed. More rights are taken away at the local level (usually G >>> with the full agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level.  >>& >> You're right about the local level. > > > And more often then not, we are not even talking about local= > government. ( I recently heard about a development that now ? > has a rule against having your garage door open except during ? > the act of taking your car out or putting it in said garage.)  >  >>< >> I think you're missing an important concept.  If anyone'sE >> capabilities are curtailed, regardless of who it is, then the next F >> time it COULD be you.  So whether or not you're currently impacted,= >> it's important to resist any curtailing by the government.  > C > But that's one of the good things about our governmrnt.  When the C > people decide something is a bad idea (Prohibition) they have the A > ability to fix it, even if it means throwing the rascals out of F > office.  But a real majority would have to agree it was a bad thing,+ > not just a small handfull of malcontents.  >  >>> >> Can you fly your aircraft into Washington National airport? > > > No, and I can't drive my Ferrari down I81 at 200 MPH either. > E >>                                                              What?  >> You don't have an aircraft? > B > I don't have a Ferrari either, but I could get one of them a lot > easier than an aircraft. > > >>                           Well some do, and the ADIZ aroundF >> Washington DC has caused hardship for many.  The ones who have beenB >> curtailed are small general aviation aircraft, and even smaller >> light recreational aircraft.  > G > And your point is?  Sorry, you do not have a "right" to fly a private C > aircraft.  You are licensed by the government to do so subject to F > what- ever arbitrary rules they choose to impose.  Just like driving > your' > car on the Interstate Highway System.     D I hope you never have a bladder problem or need to use the head on aI commercial aircraft within 20 minutes flying time of D.C.  Getting out of I your seat to go to the bathroom, or even if all you want to do is barf in K the aisle, is a criminal offense now.  You too could be 'declared', without I right of a trial, as an 'enemy combattant', and given a one-way ticket to = Gitmo for the rest of your life. Fair? Hardly. Possible? Yes.      --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 16:58:20 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <EW5bDf2UaTH6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  $ > We were never attacked by Germany.  8    I think the Merchant Marine would disagree with that.  J > Using today's Liberal logic (how's that for an oxymoron) we should never) > have interfered with Germany's actions.   D    I never met a liberal who was against the US involvement in WWII.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:11:11 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <GCcOZyjZ8g2G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <EW5bDf2UaTH6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: X > In article <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > % >> We were never attacked by Germany.  > : >    I think the Merchant Marine would disagree with that. > K >> Using today's Liberal logic (how's that for an oxymoron) we should never * >> have interfered with Germany's actions. > F >    I never met a liberal who was against the US involvement in WWII.  = I have.  And he was a anti-war protestor during World War II. ? He was a genuine pacifist, but died last year at the age of 97.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 22:55:44 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <3g6sngFaqlm2U1@individual.net>   3 In article <EW5bDf2UaTH6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > % >> We were never attacked by Germany.  > : >    I think the Merchant Marine would disagree with that.  H Uhhh....  Do you mean when they sailed into a war zone carrying suppliesB for the the other side.  Hardly a neutral action, don't you think?   > K >> Using today's Liberal logic (how's that for an oxymoron) we should never * >> have interfered with Germany's actions. > F >    I never met a liberal who was against the US involvement in WWII.  @ But if they used the same "logic" we keep hearing about Iraq, weD would never have attacked Germany because Germany wasn't threateningF us and proably never could have.  Like everyone else who tried to ruleC all of Europe they would have eventually colapsed on their own.  Of H course, they would have killed millions but what the hey, not Americans.9 Maybe we should have just stayed out of the whole affair.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 22:58:48 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <3g6st8Faqlm2U2@individual.net>   , In article <xqOdnZogZYcguAPfRVn-tw@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>, , >> Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> B >>>> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has beenF >>>> curtailed. More rights are taken away at the local level (usuallyH >>>> with the full agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level. >>> ' >>> You're right about the local level.  >>? >> And more often then not, we are not even talking about local > >> government. ( I recently heard about a development that now@ >> has a rule against having your garage door open except during@ >> the act of taking your car out or putting it in said garage.) >> >>> = >>> I think you're missing an important concept.  If anyone's F >>> capabilities are curtailed, regardless of who it is, then the nextG >>> time it COULD be you.  So whether or not you're currently impacted, > >>> it's important to resist any curtailing by the government. >>D >> But that's one of the good things about our governmrnt.  When theD >> people decide something is a bad idea (Prohibition) they have theB >> ability to fix it, even if it means throwing the rascals out ofG >> office.  But a real majority would have to agree it was a bad thing, , >> not just a small handfull of malcontents. >> >>> ? >>> Can you fly your aircraft into Washington National airport?  >>? >> No, and I can't drive my Ferrari down I81 at 200 MPH either.  >>F >>>                                                              What? >>> You don't have an aircraft?  >>C >> I don't have a Ferrari either, but I could get one of them a lot  >> easier than an aircraft.  >>? >>>                           Well some do, and the ADIZ around G >>> Washington DC has caused hardship for many.  The ones who have been C >>> curtailed are small general aviation aircraft, and even smaller   >>> light recreational aircraft. >>H >> And your point is?  Sorry, you do not have a "right" to fly a privateD >> aircraft.  You are licensed by the government to do so subject toG >> what- ever arbitrary rules they choose to impose.  Just like driving  >> your ( >> car on the Interstate Highway System. >  > F > I hope you never have a bladder problem or need to use the head on aK > commercial aircraft within 20 minutes flying time of D.C.  Getting out of	K > your seat to go to the bathroom, or even if all you want to do is barf in!M > the aisle, is a criminal offense now.  You too could be 'declared', withouteK > right of a trial, as an 'enemy combattant', and given a one-way ticket toc? > Gitmo for the rest of your life. Fair? Hardly. Possible? Yes.h   Likely? Hardly.s  D Like I said, there are plenty of threats to keep the paranoids amongC us going for years.  You should at least pick the threats that poseeA a real problem and not the ones that are about as likely as being 3 struck by a meteor while walking to the local 7-11.a   bill   -- yJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:19:56 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>eH Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID, Message-ID: <429E509C.82669C81@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  tB > But if they used the same "logic" we keep hearing about Iraq, weF > would never have attacked Germany because Germany wasn't threatening# > us and proably never could have.    E Germany was attacking many countries. Countries such as England askedvD their friends to come to the rescue. And plenty of countries came toB help because Germany was a rogue nation out on a rampage. And even7 Russia stepped in to stop that rogue nation's progress.g    H When the USA was attacked on 9-11, all its allies came to the rescue andF when the Afghan government refused to help, plenty of nations not only< agreed but also participated in the invasion of Afghanistan.  H Iraq was not attacking anyone, and none of its neighbours wanted the USAH to invade. Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz had promised in 1998 to tear up theH Clinton agreement with North Korea, invade Iraq to oust Hussein and showD the middle east was was really in power etc.  This had nothing to doB with protecting the world, everything to do to re-assert the USA'sF military and political might which they felt had been compromised by aC weak Clinton. These actions weren't based on current realities, but / rather on long standing plans by the evil trio.   H The end result  is that the USA is now seen as the rogue nation invading others.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:19:21 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>aH Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID, Message-ID: <X4WdnSl3a-U5wwPfRVn-ug@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: >eB > But if they used the same "logic" we keep hearing about Iraq, weF > would never have attacked Germany because Germany wasn't threateningH > us and proably never could have.  Like everyone else who tried to ruleE > all of Europe they would have eventually colapsed on their own.  Of1? > course, they would have killed millions but what the hey, notaF > Americans. Maybe we should have just stayed out of the whole affair.    = Go over the record of just who declared war on whom and when.t  L The US declared war on Japan subsequent to the attck on Pearl Harbor but didL NOT declare war on Germany at that time. The US only declared war on GermanyI after Germany declared war on it - several days after Roosevelt's 'Day of  Infamy' speech in Congress.   J So to answer your last point, the US did conciously try to stay out of the? conflict with Germany, a country which was arguably the leading ) technological/military power of the time.a  G Now to get into the aspect of Germany threatening the US, at the outset4L Germany was not threatening the US. In fact there was a large portion of theI US population that either actively believed or begninly/tacitly supportedoK Germany's position. IBM and many other American corporations found numerousnJ ways to profit inside Nazi Germany throught the war, even after the US andK Germaany were officially at war (aiding and abetting is the legal term, buteJ I digress). Yes it's true that Germany lost and by war's end never did anyK substantive damage to the US, but for a few fateful decisions along the waynK they could have. Their A4 (not an Audi) but an ICBM was nearing operational F testing. Their nuke effort was mostly stillborn due to the internicineH fighting between factions (ever hear of Army-Navy turf battles?) and theK efforts of a few concientious scientists to delay the development of atomiciG weapons. Qualitatively, German land and sea armaments were often vastly H superior to Allied efforts - only in the air did Allied technology reignF supreme, but the Germans were hampered by the vast quatity of inferiorF systems produced by the Allies ( sounds a lot like VMS and the Windows world, doesn't it?).     --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.j   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:26:02 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID, Message-ID: <19ednRBRZIur_QPfRVn-1w@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <xqOdnZogZYcguAPfRVn-tw@igs.net>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:. >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:_4 >>> In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>,- >>> Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:- >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:d >>>>C >>>>> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has beenGG >>>>> curtailed. More rights are taken away at the local level (usually B >>>>> with the full agreement of the citizens) than at the federal >>>>> level. >>>>( >>>> You're right about the local level. >>>c@ >>> And more often then not, we are not even talking about local? >>> government. ( I recently heard about a development that nowiA >>> has a rule against having your garage door open except during:A >>> the act of taking your car out or putting it in said garage.)  >>>e >>>>> >>>> I think you're missing an important concept.  If anyone'sG >>>> capabilities are curtailed, regardless of who it is, then the next H >>>> time it COULD be you.  So whether or not you're currently impacted,? >>>> it's important to resist any curtailing by the government.. >>>nE >>> But that's one of the good things about our governmrnt.  When thejE >>> people decide something is a bad idea (Prohibition) they have thedC >>> ability to fix it, even if it means throwing the rascals out ofsH >>> office.  But a real majority would have to agree it was a bad thing,- >>> not just a small handfull of malcontents.o >>>  >>>>@ >>>> Can you fly your aircraft into Washington National airport? >>>S@ >>> No, and I can't drive my Ferrari down I81 at 200 MPH either. >>>nG >>>>                                                              What?   >>>> You don't have an aircraft? >>>>D >>> I don't have a Ferrari either, but I could get one of them a lot >>> easier than an aircraft. >>>,@ >>>>                           Well some do, and the ADIZ aroundH >>>> Washington DC has caused hardship for many.  The ones who have beenD >>>> curtailed are small general aviation aircraft, and even smaller! >>>> light recreational aircraft.  >>> A >>> And your point is?  Sorry, you do not have a "right" to fly aIB >>> private aircraft.  You are licensed by the government to do soF >>> subject to what- ever arbitrary rules they choose to impose.  Just >>> like driving youro) >>> car on the Interstate Highway System.c >> >>G >> I hope you never have a bladder problem or need to use the head on aoE >> commercial aircraft within 20 minutes flying time of D.C.  GettingcE >> out of your seat to go to the bathroom, or even if all you want toqE >> do is barf in the aisle, is a criminal offense now.  You too couldsE >> be 'declared', without right of a trial, as an 'enemy combattant',sG >> and given a one-way ticket to Gitmo for the rest of your life. Fair?o >> Hardly. Possible? Yes.n >t > Likely? Hardly.r    L Unless your skin happens to be swarthy, or your name is Muhammed, or you youI have a 'suspicious and threatening' beard. If that's the case the odds ofuH things like those happening to you get dramatically shorter - the phrase8 'driving while black' contemplates a similar phenomenon.  H Go back a few short years to the months just after 9/11 and look throughH newspaper reports of people of East Indian decent being killed or abused "just cuz". Shit happens.0        F > Like I said, there are plenty of threats to keep the paranoids amongE > us going for years.  You should at least pick the threats that pose.C > a real problem and not the ones that are about as likely as beingn5 > struck by a meteor while walking to the local 7-11.c    I Those truly random things I can deal with - it's the insanity that passesCC for legislation these days that should give any decent person fits.u     --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.h   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 18:46:09 -0700h$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDC Message-ID: <1117676769.820151.210030@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>i   JF Mezei wrote:d > AEF wrote:K > > So JF, you'd rather have terrorists setting off nukes? If and when they 0 > > do, I think things will move to a new level. >TD > I thought of different ways to respond to this. In the end, in theA > interest of diplomacy, and the fact that this isn't a policicalrG > newsgroup, I opted not to respond. Don't expect any sympathy when youmD > are the victim of identity theft eiother criminally, commercially,5 > access control to buildings or your own government.s    G Being that your response (the response quoted above) is not a response,y/ I won't respond with this response either!  :-)   D I would like to add, however, that this thread has drifted away from; the original slightly off-topic topic to totally off-topic!    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 19:12:53 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDC Message-ID: <1117678373.841589.152290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>-   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <EW5bDf2UaTH6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Z > > In article <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >i' > >> We were never attacked by Germany.  > >e< > >    I think the Merchant Marine would disagree with that. >eJ > Uhhh....  Do you mean when they sailed into a war zone carrying suppliesD > for the the other side.  Hardly a neutral action, don't you think? >o > >tM > >> Using today's Liberal logic (how's that for an oxymoron) we should nevern, > >> have interfered with Germany's actions. > > H > >    I never met a liberal who was against the US involvement in WWII.   I have.d  B > But if they used the same "logic" we keep hearing about Iraq, weF > would never have attacked Germany because Germany wasn't threateningH > us and proably never could have.  Like everyone else who tried to ruleE > all of Europe they would have eventually colapsed on their own.  Of,J > course, they would have killed millions but what the hey, not Americans.    C Make that: they would have killed millions MORE than they did. Theyo0 *did* kill millions. Outright murdered, no less.    ; > Maybe we should have just stayed out of the whole affair.e >o > bill >h > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:21:22 +0200$+ From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID= Message-ID: <429e9765$0$78281$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>E   JF Mezei wrote:a >  And evenP9 > Russia stepped in to stop that rogue nation's progress.a  G Soviet Union did not enter the war before they were attacked.  In fact  I they had a treaty with Germany to split Pole between them, and they did.  I   (Later on Soviet Union did a lot to beat Germany, and if one nation is gI to named THE nation that beated Germany, then it has to be Soviet Union.)w   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:10:46 -04004 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>Y Subject: Re: ITRC Natural Language Search (was Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map Opeu+ Message-ID: <3g6fhoFau42hU1@individual.net>9   Tom Linden wrote:. >   SMG\$ERASE\_DISPLAY  works.  > ...e  @ No, it doesn't. The very first article returned does not containH SMG$ERASE_DISPLAY. The next three do contain the word, the next three do7 not. I did not bother to look at any of the other hits.'   -- i Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.S Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXT www.weaverconsulting.cai   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:16:37 -04004 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>Y Subject: Re: ITRC Natural Language Search (was Re: Third party Windows App to NFS map Ope + Message-ID: <3g6fsmFav3ihU1@individual.net>i   Keith Cayemberg wrote: >...F > I played around with your examples, and didn't find any satisfactoryF > tricks to get around it's limitations and a propensity for trying to  F Many people from HP tried to find a way to make the product worked. It% does not work no matter what you try.t   >...H > It appears to me that HP can do little to improve this tool by itself,H > since they appear to have bought the services of the Ask Jeeves SearchG > Engine belonging to another company. This search engine appears to be C > serving the non-technical customer, who is challenged to describemF > their search in simple English, as its design goal. I think HP wouldD > need to replace the tool (or re-instate the old one) to improve on > this.@ >...  D True, they bought the wrong tool. They admitted that they bought theA wrong tool. The tool they bought would be great for someone doingnG searches of newspaper articles, but for technical searches it JUST DOES D NOT WORK! I tried to get them to keep the old tool active since they0 knew that this would not work, but they refused.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.- Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXa www.weaverconsulting.ca:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -07000 From: "Anthony LaMark" <anthony@eXcSoftware.com>' Subject: just getting started questionse, Message-ID: <pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05>   Hi All,   K I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands for:   : 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire systemE 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, notl; cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)   & Any suggestions?  Thank you very much.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:23:04 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e+ Subject: Re: just getting started questionsa, Message-ID: <429E89A2.E1467664@teksavvy.com>   Anthony LaMark wrote:e< > 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire systemG > 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, notc= > cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)e  N 1- monitor system  or monitor cluster  (cpu and muchj more for all of cluster)F    for monitor cluster, you can blidly type "help" and that gets you a list of help topicsu   2- monitor process/all     you can type $ MONITOR t  % and at the MONITOR> prompt, type HELP   G This may not match exactly what unix is giving you though, but it gives ' plenty of information about the system.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:32:57 -0700w From: Z <Z@no.spam>g+ Subject: Re: just getting started questionso% Message-ID: <aSwne.90$mZ2.9@fe07.lga>a   Anthony LaMark wrote:u	 > Hi All, M > I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands for:d< > 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire systemG > 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, notu= > cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)o   $ HELP MONITOR   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:34:45 -0600t" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>3 Subject: Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum ( Message-ID: <429E0DD5.9A1B6196@mist.com>   Nigel Barker wrote:< > E > On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:40:33 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:> > g > >In article <429d441c$0$16642$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> writes:  > >>Sue, you said: > >>K > >> > PLEASE PLEASE have the latest anti-virus software update put on your L > >> > laptop's, we have noticed that people share a lot of files and we are. > >> > so used to VMS that we assume security. > >>I > >>Is McAfee a good software to HP's eyes, or should I remove it and put 1 > >>bad old standard Norton back on my HP laptop?> > >rI > >You should toss the Mickey$haft PeeCee laptop and get a Mac!  Then youa& > >wouldn't have to worry about these. > M > There is a version of Norton Antivirus for Macintosh. Are people who buy ito > wasting their money? >   : Yes, all it does is toss out windoze viruses so that their% email friends do not pick up viruses.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 12:44:19 -0700a From: windinghighway@aol.com) Subject: Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?.C Message-ID: <1117655059.941647.264770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,   moon_dust_lady@yahoo.com wrote:c > Nomen Nescio wrote:n >  > H > Why do you say that Leonardo DiCaprio is circumcised?  According to anD > interview with actor John Leguizamo, Leonardo DiCpario told him heB > wasn't circumcised.  Do you know something that contradicts this > statement?  C Afficionados of DiCaprios corpus can attest that he is circumcised,tE like most white Americans of his fortunate generation.   In the movieaF Total Eclipse (where he charmingly portrays the French poet Rimbaud asD an American teenager) his penis is briefly displayed for all to see,F and it is very nicely clipped.   His buttocks have never been his bestG feature, but interested parties may view them in their natural state inr this movie also.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:15:16 -0400d& From: Taylor <taylor.taylor@gmail.com>) Subject: Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?n9 Message-ID: <pJvne.9521$yG4.833540@news20.bellglobal.com>a   windinghighway@aol.com wrote:i   > ! > moon_dust_lady@yahoo.com wrote:  >  >>Nomen Nescio wrote:y >> >>H >>Why do you say that Leonardo DiCaprio is circumcised?  According to anD >>interview with actor John Leguizamo, Leonardo DiCpario told him heB >>wasn't circumcised.  Do you know something that contradicts this >>statement? >  > E > Afficionados of DiCaprios corpus can attest that he is circumcised, G > like most white Americans of his fortunate generation.   In the movieiH > Total Eclipse (where he charmingly portrays the French poet Rimbaud asF > an American teenager) his penis is briefly displayed for all to see,H > and it is very nicely clipped.   His buttocks have never been his bestI > feature, but interested parties may view them in their natural state inr > this movie also. >   H Never heard of pulling it back? :-p Those cheap 7-11 car air fresheners I (the ones that look like flat pine trees and leafs) w/ the loose elastic .I string work well in an attempt to hold the foreskin back without cutting  C off circulation. Maybe Leonardo pulled his foreskin back in 'Total  I Eclipse'. Or maybe he has a very short foreskin. His dad's a Ger|man and h, his mom's an Italian. They don't circumcise.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:18:24 -0400"& From: Taylor <taylor.taylor@gmail.com>) Subject: Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised? 9 Message-ID: <mMvne.9523$yG4.834551@news20.bellglobal.com>f   moon_dust_lady@yahoo.com wrote:t   > Nomen Nescio wrote:- >  > Q >>If you had read the book you would know that he escaped by turning his foreskine) >>inside out and using it as a parachute.  >>V >>They had to omit that part from the movie because the actor who played Frank's part,$ >>Leonardo DiCaprio, is circumcised. >  > H > Why do you say that Leonardo DiCaprio is circumcised?  According to anD > interview with actor John Leguizamo, Leonardo DiCpario told him heB > wasn't circumcised.  Do you know something that contradicts this > statement? >   F Anyone know if John Leguizamo's circumcised or intact? I know there's H SOME Hispanic-Americans that unfortunately circumcise. I don't know why 	 (?). Tsk.R   ---o Gabriele6 http://community.webshots.com/album/1515049 01GcpJay/1& "vicvizual" contributed (Webshots.com)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 20:13:34 -0700.! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com 1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Advanced Technical boot camp C Message-ID: <1117682014.745394.221730@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>a  < We just had a couple of people drop out and are back to 197.  E Folks are here for the pre week seminars, it is wonderful I had lunch D with a bunch of the folks here for the classes today.  It was like a* family dinner without any of the problems.  
 Warm Regards,n Sueo   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:07:41 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 source listings... When???0 Message-ID: <00A44A3B.BD358FCB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L V8.2 has been out for a few months now.  When will the source listings ship?K Does anybody know?  It used to be that I'd get the listings before I got my 	 binaries.r   -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 14:14:52 -0500n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 source listings... When???3 Message-ID: <e6vqYarzQizS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A44A3B.BD358FCB@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:pN > V8.2 has been out for a few months now.  When will the source listings ship?M > Does anybody know?  It used to be that I'd get the listings before I got myi > binaries.n  < I know the order number for the listings has been published.  ; Do you know the order number for the subscription service ?h   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:50:37 GMTn( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org says don't go to the dark side ...l+ Message-ID: <3g6ardFape9rU1@individual.net>a   >> l< >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/05/31/5139159 >> 1A > It is upto the HP Team, CIO's and the Academicians to make thish4                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^> > hacker-proof operating system safegaurd our businesses.....   D Not hardly.  It is not the business of Universities to sell people'sE products for them.  Especially when they have no interest in doing itr themselves.i   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 22:02:35 +0200) From: "Ascoteric" <ascoteric@hotmail.com> 
 Subject: Tests+ Message-ID: <d7l4ft$751$28@news.hispeed.ch>e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:16:10 -0500w- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)3 Message-ID: <NhghTHMNgZlU@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  E > I've never even had MIBCOMP, TFF, CXX, GENCAT, DSR, ACS on a systeme* > I've managed, so they hardly even count.  A I presumed DSR stood for Digital Standard Runoff, but the commandk for that on VMS is "Runoff".  ? CXX is the command for the C++ compiler, since + is not a valid:? command character on VMS.  CXX looks somewhat similar, which isl@ as close as it gets for those who choose to give their languages@ non-alphanumeric names.  Perhaps I shall invent a language whose) name has a carriage-return in the middle.   " ACS is the Ada Compilation System.  & TFF is the Terminal Fallback Facility.   BIFF (on Unix) is ...>   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 17:18:30 -0500o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e. Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)3 Message-ID: <aOVTS7dntqAY@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  d In article <nvnr919o8q8aps4pf9ce4hov9kbfhotleq@4ax.com>, jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net> writes: > E > I've never even had MIBCOMP, TFF, CXX, GENCAT, DSR, ACS on a systeml* > I've managed, so they hardly even count.  A    If you don't have TFF (terminal fallback facility) on your VMS 4    system, you must be running something pretty old.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 05:15:50 GMTe2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>. Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-QdCcdi4Pdf3b@dave2_os2.home.ours>a  E On Tue, 31 May 2005 21:31:39 UTC, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) n wrote:  5 > In article <$RyLFPmkXMrz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Z > > In article <3g3pmnFadchtU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:= > >> In article <5fbp919quq439a408hrdbijv38lqsffrrr@4ax.com>, 1 > >> 	jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net> writes:o   <Snip>  K > >> And let me know when you find MIBCOMP, TFF, CXX, GENCAT, LANCP, LATCP,d > >> DSR, ACS, NCP, UIL........g > > G > > Don't bother looking for something until you find a need to use it.s > > B > > In 25 years I have used 5 from that list and never heard of 3. > A > I have no doubt that is true.  I specifically picked the ones I D > did because of the constant "VMS is intuitive cause it's English".C > While most of it is, some of it isn't and none of it is intuitiveJ@ > to a non-English speaker.  There, now the thread can be but to" > bed once again until next month. > G > All of them, by the way, came from the HELP command on 7.3.  I didn't 7 > use the ones that are obviously stolen from Unix. :-)t  F Well the only ones that I've used are NCP, LAN and LATCP. They are areC not commands per se, they set the context for the natural-language a? style (it happens to be English)  command line that follows. I  : recoginise some of the others (played with UIL once ISTR).   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 19:25:11 -0700-$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>F Subject: Re: VNC is great? -and- EDT over VNC -- Gold key doesn't workB Message-ID: <1117679111.657356.28130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: l > In article <1116286318.656826.246010@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:J > >I searched cov archives for VNC and was surprised to see so much praiseI > >of it. I have it installed on my PC at work and at home and it is veryiE > >slow and screen updates often need the help of extra clicks of theG? > >mouse. So what makes it so great? (Well, besides the price.)e > >nH > >Also, the EDT GOLD key doesn't work when I use VNC to go from a Win98D > >(at home) to my PC (W2K) at work. I use SmarTerm on my work PC to) > >connect to the VAX systems via Telnet.  > > J > >(VNC v4-something at home (I'll check and post), and VNC 3.3.6 (server) > >at work.b > >T > >What's the deal?  Thanks. >h" > Buy a Mac.  ssh -X username@host >b > --M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi >G6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"    @ Well, I checked out a Mac a while ago at J&R Computer World. TheC mouse/pointer action was annoying. As the pointer approached what IsE wanted to click, the pointer slowed down more than my hand, so I fellvE short of the mark. Pushing a little more left it short. So I pushed a B lot more and overshot! Is there some way to make the pointer trackF linearly with the mouse? Strangely, I use my track ball at home on its? non-linear setting -- its linear setting stinks! Maybe I need ao trackball for the Mac!  > At some point when time permits I'll go to a real Apple store.   thanks.e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 14:13:01 -05006- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)oM Subject: Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)v3 Message-ID: <rJRxVseBJOln@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  q In article <ZLdpAXYbRP4o@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:.  H >    For example, you can get the Concept virus on Word, no matter whichF >    platform you're running Word on.  It uses a Word specific enabler/ >    that functions the same on both platforms.r  A Are you saying that my Word 5.1A (the last one prior to Microsoft 0 adding virus-enabling technology) is a problem ?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2005 16:56:03 -0500r; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) M Subject: Re: [OT] AV for MAC (was:Re: Latest VMS BootCamp instructions forum)e3 Message-ID: <xeqWIqb4Vihj@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  c In article <rJRxVseBJOln@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:c > C > Are you saying that my Word 5.1A (the last one prior to Microsoftl2 > adding virus-enabling technology) is a problem ?  G    I didn't know MS ever issued a version of anything secure enough foro    you.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:03:57 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: [OT]: Petro-Euros and the decline of the US dollar- WAS: HP to help governments u, Message-ID: <zpydnUUayZtVvwPfRVn-1w@igs.net>   GreyCloud wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:o >> >> Dave Froble wrote:F >>>  War, bad as it is, isF >>> one thing.  Killing thousands (or more) people for whatever reason( >>> requires a total disregard for life. >>$ >> One needs to better define "war". >>F >> What the USA has done in Iraq was not war. It was an unprovoked andD >> illegal attack that killed far more iraqis and destroyed far more8 >> infrastructure than what happened in the USA on 9-11. > = > But it was provoked, but not by what the media has reportede( > or what Bush had spoke publicly about.> > When Nixon got the US off the Gold standard in 1972, he also< > made sure that the dollar was propped up by something else: > instead of gold... oil.  He made sure that all oil sales8 > were done in US Dollars.  The first gulf war irritated< > Saddam, so in revenge, Saddam was going to use the Euro as= > the standard instead of the dollar.  If he had done so, they= > US economy would be in shambles and everyone in soup lines.,    J You got that right.....only Iraq couldn't do it on its own and none of the3 other Gulf countries would tag along with the idea.   I Now if China wanted to get nasty and slam the US dollar, they could forcemI the issue by insisting on paying in Euros for oil, because unlike HP, the J Gulf countries know the customer is always right. It wouldn't take much to> get the USD to slide down 15% over the course of 12-18 months.  L Of course China would then be up against the Bush 'doctrine', as articulatedK on Sept. 17, 2002 in "National Security Strategy of the United States". ThedK new strategy calls for pre-emptive action against hostile states and terror G groups, and it states that the U.S. "will not hesitate to act alone, iftJ necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting pre-emptively."  E Of course the definition of 'hostile state' is open to debate but themH document also states that America will exploit its military and economicJ power to encourage "free and open societies." It states for the first timeL that the U.S. will never allow its military supremacy to be challenged as itL was during the Cold War, nor its economic primacy - which is a veiled threatD of war against any nation that 'challenges' the US in American eyes.  I Only trouble is China can take 300 million killed - at that number the USn ceases to exist.  $ That's s some foreign policy George.   --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:56:18 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: [OT]: Petro-Euros and the decline of the US dollar- WAS: HP to help governmel, Message-ID: <429E2EFB.20F78FD6@teksavvy.com>   Someone wrote:  > > > Saddam, so in revenge, Saddam was going to use the Euro as? > > the standard instead of the dollar.  If he had done so, thep? > > US economy would be in shambles and everyone in soup lines.c  B Iraq, in the 1990s, was such a tiny supplier of oil that it had noH leverage. Even if it decided to sell oil denominated in Fiji dollars, itE would still end up following the USD. Remember that there was a legalaD blockage on any oil exports from Iraq until 1998 when OFF began. (soG Hussein had to sell his oil under the table, under the watchful eyes ofaH the US and brits who let that happen, and Hussein could then set his own& price in whatever currency he wanted).  E Oil was tagged in USD because back then, the USD was seen as a stableoF currency, more stable than Gold. Last year, that stability was greatly eroded.      John Smith wrote:i  K > Now if China wanted to get nasty and slam the US dollar, they could forceb4 > the issue by insisting on paying in Euros for oil,    C The issue of China is more complex than that. Chinese have a LOT ofeE money invested in US treasury bonds. Decoupling the Huan from the USDhF would result in the USD going down vs Huan thus devaluing the huge USD) denominated investments the Chinese have.a  H The big question is whether the Chinese have begun to quietly pull theirB investments from USA in preparation for the devaluation of the USDH against the Huan or if they are going to tie the uncoupling of Huan withA rising US interest rates to soften the blow to Chinese investors.a  D And it is quite possible that the next world currency may not be the Euro but rather the Huan.u  N > Of course China would then be up against the Bush 'doctrine', as articulatedL > on Sept. 17, 2002 in "National Security Strategy of the United States". ."  G China can do far more harm to the USA than USA can do to China. Pulling H out its investmenst in US treasury in one big swoop would now only driveF the USD way down, but also force the government to significantly raise? interest rates to attract other investors to fill the huge gap.i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.305 ************************