1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 306       Contents:	 a sad day 
 Re: a sad day < Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? RE: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID  Re: Installing a printer" Re: just getting started questions" Re: just getting started questions" Re: just getting started questions" Re: just getting started questions" Re: just getting started questions Optical PS/2 mouse for Alpha  Re: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alpha  Re: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alpha  Re: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alpha Terry Shannon passed away % Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) % Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation) = Re: VNC is great? -and- EDT over VNC -- Gold key doesn't work   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 08:26:59 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com  Subject: a sad dayC Message-ID: <1117726019.714199.100950@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I thought you should know that Terry Shannon has passed away.  As you @ may or may not know Terry suffered from the horrible sickness ofD depression and unfortunately his case was terminal.  He was crematedF yesterday and his ashes will be spread in the mountains of NY in July.  ) Charlie Matco is gone and an era is gone.    Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:50:04 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: Re: a sad day* Message-ID: <JUFne.5146$K66.3060@fe02.lga>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:G > I thought you should know that Terry Shannon has passed away.  As you B > may or may not know Terry suffered from the horrible sickness ofF > depression and unfortunately his case was terminal.  He was crematedH > yesterday and his ashes will be spread in the mountains of NY in July.   RIP, Mr. Shannon.    One of his last postings: A http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/05/25/6716036    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:02:06 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> E Subject: Re: Detached Process crash with unknown exit status 7B0017C0 + Message-ID: <3g80lfFavlglU1@individual.net>   . On 2005-06-02 04:25, "David J Dachtera" wrote:   > [...]  > H > Note that the highest order 1/2-byte of that completion status is "7".&                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^J > Not sure what that might mean. I'm accustomed to seeing either 0 or 1 inI > that position, but I think the other bits have some meaning as well (in 3 > this case, the bit pattern is "0111", 4+2+1 = 7).  >  > [...]   H IIRC bits 31 to 29 (i.e., the first three high-order bits) are "reserved DEC".   F Bit 28 = 1 --> inhibit message (i.e., don't write to SYS$OUTPUT/ERROR)* Bit 27 = 1 --> customer (non-DEC) facility   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:55:23 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID7 Message-ID: <fbxne.15417$PR6.1596@tornado.texas.rr.com>   . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com) wrote: : Bill Todd wrote:B : > You seem to be ignoring those  who have died in U.S. custody  ; : > while being held (for years) without any shred of legal A : > justification (and in complete disregard for the pleas of the F : > international organizations charged with overseeing such matters)  :  : I : What I find most interesting is that the USA constitution (as does most D : civilised nations' ) garantees humand and legal rights to PEOPLE.  :   C It also grants rights to corporations, having granted personhood to @ corporations in the head note of an 1886 Supreme Court decision:  2    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0101-07.htm,    Now Corporations Claim The "Right To Lie"  I   "...In the 1886 Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad case,  L    the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the state tax assessor, not the county H    assessor, had the right to determine the taxable value of fenceposts %    along the railroad's right-of-way.   H    However, in writing up the case's headnote - a commentary that has no@    precedential status - the Court's reporter, a former railroadD    president named J.C. Bancroft Davis, opened the headnote with theI    sentence: "The defendant Corporations are persons within the intent of H    the clause in section 1 of the Fourteen Amendment to the ConstitutionD    of the United States, which forbids a State to deny to any person=    within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."   G    Oddly, the court had ruled no such thing. As a handwritten note from I    Chief Justice Waite to reporter Davis that now is held in the National H    Archives said: "we avoided meeting the Constitutional question in theC    decision." And nowhere in the decision itself does the Court say     corporations are persons..."   @ AFAIK, only the U.S. has granted corporations personhood status.     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:17:03 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID* Message-ID: <wvxne.21826$eR.5358@fe05.lga>  
 leslie wrote: E > It also grants rights to corporations, having granted personhood to B > corporations in the head note of an 1886 Supreme Court decision: ... I >    Oddly, the court had ruled no such thing. As a handwritten note from    Correct, but you said it had.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:22:03 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID= Message-ID: <429ea59d$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:D > Oh please.  No other country in the world has the freedom we have. > Minority or not.  I That is a statement that can be debated.  E.g. how old do you have to be  G to buy alcohol?  In Denmark you can buy it as 15 years old.  Freedom of G utterance?  There is a journalists organization that rate an number of  I North European nations to have more of that.  Then we cannot buy weapons  E without a license, which is very difficult to get except for hunting.   B There are a number of counties that are in the race for being the G country granting most freedom to its citizens, but you cannot pick the  H country with most freedom before you have decided which rights are more 	 valuable.   J > Like I said, if you want to be paranoid, you should at least be paranoidI > about the things (and people) that matter.  The government is the least E > threatening of all.  Of course, one other freedom we have that many I > others don't have is the freedom to leave if you don't agree.  The last H > real person I know of who did that for other than economic reasons was > Charlie Chaplin.  I Men not wanting to get conscripted for Vietnam.  Besides I think more US  I citizens are living in other countries because they like living in these  $ countries than for reasons of money.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:02:53 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID& Message-ID: <429ecb3a$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > E >> Oh please.  No other country in the world has the freedom we have.  >> Minority or not.  >  > + > That is a statement that can be debated.    F Well the statement is true if you put it in a historical perspective. F But we're not living in the past, so as for today it's quite silly to H still swallow the ideal freedom thing. I'd like to see any contemporary I proof of that incomparable freedom before starting a debate. My bets are  H on 'no proof'... Not that it is not reversible, but it takes one to see + the problem first to be able to address it. A And yes, you can recognize also here the 'american versus world'  H mindset, where all the rest are just, well, sleaze. Not the best way to I make friends out there (a comparison with nazi Germany comes again to my   mind).   S    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:50:10 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID7 Message-ID: <SnCne.21038$j51.5123@tornado.texas.rr.com>   , Karsten Nyblad (nospam@nospam.nospam) wrote: : L : ...Besides I think more US citizens are living in other countries because @ : they like living in these countries than for reasons of money. :   G Many people are emigrating to cheaper countries when they retire to get < a lower cost of living, plus a less-hectic live style; e.g.:     http://www.belizeretire.com/   Belize Retirement Guide      http://www.belizeweb.com/ G   Belize - Belize News - Belize Map - Belize Pictures - Belize Radio -  -   Belize Forums - Belize Weather - BelizeWeb-   1   http://www.chapala.com/chapala/lcs/lcsnews.html    The Lake Chapala Society     http://www.escapeartist.com/F   EscapeArtist Home Page: Living Overseas - International Real Estate,I   Overseas Jobs - Expatriate Resources - Tax Exiles - Overseas Retirement      --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:52:27 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID7 Message-ID: <%pCne.21039$j51.6228@tornado.texas.rr.com>    Z (Z@no.spam) wrote: : leslie wrote: G : > It also grants rights to corporations, having granted personhood to D : > corporations in the head note of an 1886 Supreme Court decision: : ... K : >    Oddly, the court had ruled no such thing. As a handwritten note from  :  : Correct, but you said it had.  :   J The headnote became the court's opinion because the Court didn't speak up.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 12:24:15 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <3g8c3fFb5cs4U1@individual.net>   ) In article <d7mqpi$dld$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, ! 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: X > In article <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:+ >>In article <d7knvf$m1j$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, # >>	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: ^ >>> In article <119rmvi4vd3f88d@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>>N >>>>> I haven't lost anything.  There is nothing I do that has been curtailed.J >>>>> More rights are taken away at the local level (usually with the full; >>>>> agreement of the citizens) than at the federal level.  >>>> >>>>It's only a matter  J >>>>of time until they get around to 'your' minority.  That's why it's in L >>>>every citizen's interest to resist any curtailing of anyone.  United we M >>>>stay free, divided we'll surely fall.  Your "I haven't lost anything" is   >>>>a very dangerous attitude. >>>> >>> A >>> As the German Pastor Martin Niemoller said about Nazi Germany  >>> S >>> "When they came for the Jews, I did nothing, for I am not a Jew. When they came S >>> for the Socialists, I did nothing, for I am not a Socialist. When they came for R >>> the labour leaders, the homosexuals, the gypsies, I did nothing, for I am noneR >>> of these, and when they came for me, I was alone, there was no one to stand up >>> for me." >>L >>Trite old story.  This is not Nazi Germany and no one is being marched off >>to death camps.  > D > I was just agreeing that an attitude of "I haven't lost anything" 2 > or it doesn't affect me is a dangerous attitude.  D I watch what happens around me.  I have lived in other countries.  IE speak foreign languages.  If I thought there was anyplace better than C this I have all the tools in my toolbox to emigrate.  I haven't and ( don't anticipate a need to anytime soon.  P > Remember that Nazi germany grew out of a democracy. Hitler was democratically O > elected. He then manipulated the system to gain total power but that doesn't  O > change the fact that the Nazis were the largest party in the Reichstag after  O > the 1932 elections with 13.75 million votes and took power in coalition with  O > the Right-wing Nationalists led by Alfred Hugenberg. He even held a Reichstag M > election in March 1933 in order to gain support for the enabling act which  M > made him Dictatator which with his coalition allies gave him a majority of  P > 51.8% and then negotiated an agreement with the catholic centre party in orderB > to get the required 2/3 majority for this constitutional change. > O > The fact that you trust your current government doesn't mean that you will be * > able to trust all future governments.     E Yes, but unlike Nazi Germany in the 30's we have an opportunity every F 4 years to throw the rascals out.  And it would take more than 4 yearsE to try to circumvent that.  The only time this system has been broken F was FDR in WWII.  And I think that was a mistake.  Enough other people5 also think so, so that it is unlikely to occur again.   @ This is far enough (and long enough) off topic I am going to letA it drop.  But I do have one item to point out to those who are so C concerned about my government using too much personal data to track D me.  I heard this on NDR1 this morning and went out to their website to grab the text.   A    "Deutschland wird den Reisepass mit biometrischen Daten zum 1. A     November einfuehren. Er wird mit einem Chip ausgestattet, auf ?     dem das Gesichtsfeld, spaeter auch Finger-Abdruecke und ein A     Abbild der Iris gespeichert sind.  Mit 59 Euro pro Pass liegt B     Deutschland laut Innenminister Schily international im unteren
     Bereich."    Here's my translation.    A    "Germany will introduce a passport with biometric data as of 1 B     November. It is equipped with a chip, on which an image of the>     face, later also fingerprints and an image of the iris are>     stored. At 59 euro per passport Germany lies, according toA     Minister of the Interior Schily, internationally in the lower      range of cost."   C Well, at least it's cheap.  Oh wait, that is a bit more than I paid  for my last passport.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 07:47:50 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <pm8Cwgx6SWES@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <GCcOZyjZ8g2G@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   ? > I have.  And he was a anti-war protestor during World War II. A > He was a genuine pacifist, but died last year at the age of 97.   C    OK, one.  Not surpizing.  But the OP intentionally made it sound B    as if it was standard thinking amoung liberals, and we all know    it's not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:43:56 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID= Message-ID: <429eff1e$0$78287$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    S wrote: > Karsten Nyblad wrote:  >  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>F >>> Oh please.  No other country in the world has the freedom we have. >>> Minority or not. >> >> >>, >> That is a statement that can be debated.  >  > H > Well the statement is true if you put it in a historical perspective.   G Even that can be questioned, e.g., black people, native Americans, and  F other colored people did not have many, and were not fully integrated A with full rights until the civil rights movements of the sixties.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 08:09:43 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <VS3454yHYNt$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <429E509C.82669C81@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  J > Iraq was not attacking anyone, and none of its neighbours wanted the USA
 > to invade.    A    Iraq was actively attacking UN sanctioned no-fly zone patrols.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 08:13:34 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <cfN5QZWWCd$t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <d7mqpi$dld$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  P > Remember that Nazi germany grew out of a democracy. Hitler was democratically 
 > elected.  H    Hitler never won more than 20% of an open election.  He was appointed<    Chancelor by Hindenburgh and won only closed "elections".   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:20:34 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukH Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID) Message-ID: <d7n132$fgr$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   M In article <429E10A4.174710A0@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  >JF Mezei wrote: >>   >> Dave Froble wrote:  >> >  War, bad as it is, is G >> > one thing.  Killing thousands (or more) people for whatever reason ) >> > requires a total disregard for life.  >>  $ >> One needs to better define "war". >>  F >> What the USA has done in Iraq was not war. It was an unprovoked andD >> illegal attack that killed far more iraqis and destroyed far more9 >> infrastructure than what happened in the USA on 9-11.   > < >But it was provoked, but not by what the media has reported' >or what Bush had spoke publicly about. = >When Nixon got the US off the Gold standard in 1972, he also ; >made sure that the dollar was propped up by something else 9 >instead of gold... oil.  He made sure that all oil sales 7 >were done in US Dollars.  The first gulf war irritated ; >Saddam, so in revenge, Saddam was going to use the Euro as < >the standard instead of the dollar.  If he had done so, the< >US economy would be in shambles and everyone in soup lines.  # Please provide references for this. J I would not have thought that Saddam would have had any power to influenceM this. Ignoring the fact that sanctions meant Saddam was not in a position to  L sell oil except through the UN oil for food program. Any decision to switch K from using the Dollar to using the Euro to price oil would presumably have  8 had to have been supported by all OPEC member countries.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:48:46 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID' Message-ID: <f%Ene.126$mZ2.40@fe07.lga>   
 leslie wrote: I > : > It also grants rights to corporations, having granted personhood to F > : > corporations in the head note of an 1886 Supreme Court decision: > : ... M > : >    Oddly, the court had ruled no such thing. As a handwritten note from   ! > : Correct, but you said it had.   L > The headnote became the court's opinion because the Court didn't speak up.  H Even though the headnote has no legal standing, the court did speak up, = in the form of a letter from the Chief Justice, as you noted.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:23:09 -04005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> H Subject: RE: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D507CBD266@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   L Not to get in the middle of this holy war, but what's your take on people h=L ere ILLEGALLY?  Do they deserve the same rights under the constitution?  Wh=2 at about an american illegally in another country?  L Completely different question, isnt it, and probably more what people think=0  when they say americans versus non americans...   >-----Original Message----- 8 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20' >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:15 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI >Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID  >  >  >Bill Todd wrote: ? >> You seem to be ignoring those  who have died in U.S. custody : >> while being held (for years) without any shred of legal@ >> justification (and in complete disregard for the pleas of theG >> international organizations charged with overseeing such matters)=20  >  > L >What I find most interesting is that the USA constitution (as does most ci=0 vilised nations' ) garantees humand and legal=20 >rights to PEOPLE.=20  > L >Yet, the americans seem to accept that legal rights should only be granted=L  to USA citizens and that non-citizens need not >be treated the same way as=  american citizens.  > L >Despite clear cases of the USA government not following its duty to uphold=L  the constitution and garantee due legal process >to all people, americans =/ are applauding and re-electing that government.  > L >But next time some american is arrested in a foreign nation, you can bet y=1 our derri=E8re that the USA government will do=20 L >whatever it takes to ensure that american citizen is granted due legal pro=- cess in that country, even though that USA=20 * >citizen is not a citizen of that country.      ) ----------------------------------------- I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and L confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) = named L above. 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In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, N= ew York,	 NY 10105.    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:36:00 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukH Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID) Message-ID: <d7n910$i3r$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   q In article <cfN5QZWWCd$t@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: K >In article <d7mqpi$dld$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  > Q >> Remember that Nazi germany grew out of a democracy. Hitler was democratically   >> elected.  > I >   Hitler never won more than 20% of an open election.  He was appointed = >   Chancelor by Hindenburgh and won only closed "elections".  >   ) What do you mean by a "closed election" ? M Yes Hitler was appointed Chancelor by Hindenburgh but at the time he was head - of the largest single party in the Reichstag.   L In the presidential election of March 13 1932 Hitler got 30.1 percent of theM vote coming second to Hindenburgh who had 49.6 percent - there were two other  candidates. K Since Hindenburgh had received less than 50% of the vote a run-off was held ! between the top three candidates. M In this runoff Hindenburgh gained 53.0 percent and Hitler gained 36.8 percent  of the vote.' So Hindenburgh was appointed President.       N In the Election of July 31 1932 the Nazi party won 230 seats in the Reichstag I which made it the largest party but didn't give it a majority in the 608   member body.N At that time Hitler demanded that President Hindenburgh appoint him Chancellor% since he headed up the largest party.  However Hindenburgh refused.A Political deadlock then led to a new election on November 6 1932. M The Nazi's didn't do as well and lost 34 seats but still remained the largest  party.  I After the election Hindenburgh fired the current chancellor - Papen - and J appointed an army general named Kurt Von Schleicher as the new chancellor.I Schleicher was unable to secure a majority coalition in the Reichstag and M tendered his resignation 57 days later. Hindenburgh finally appointed Hitler   chancellor on January 30 1933.  L The Nazi's never captured more than 37% of the national vote however that is2 not unusual for parties in many democratic states.  , see http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp      K In the UK 2005 election Tony Blair's Labour party won with a majority of 67 K seats. This was with only 36% of the popular vote. Since turn-out was only  1 61.3% this equates to only 22% of the electorate.     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:14:00 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID, Message-ID: <-9SdnblpD5XIrQLfRVn-1g@igs.net>   Bochnik, William J wrote: D > Not to get in the middle of this holy war, but what's your take onC > people here ILLEGALLY?  Do they deserve the same rights under the E > constitution?  What about an american illegally in another country?  > G > Completely different question, isnt it, and probably more what people 7 > think when they say americans versus non americans...       7 Perhaps this is a topic for alt.due.process.or.whatever    --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 12:16:33 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID3 Message-ID: <OfE6Z6fSauES@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <d7n910$i3r$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > + > What do you mean by a "closed election" ?   3    One controlled in all aspects by the Nazi party.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:28:50 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> ! Subject: Re: Installing a printer B Message-ID: <mlHne.4290$s64.2937@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   William Webb wrote: B > On 25 May 2005 19:57:09 GMT, Doc. <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote: > & >>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Dave Froble wrote in) >>news:1199g6gfq8kfgd8@corp.supernews.com  >> >>
 >>>MJS wrote:  >>G >>>>I've been wondering about that, read the DCPS System Manager manual G >>>>today but it only referred to Network or Serial printing. Can't say / >>>>I've ever heard of a serial printer though?  >>> ! >>>That makes me feel really old.  >>M >>Personally I pity the people that have never worked on code printed on 132-  >>column music-score paper.  >>& >>Real listings have coffee rings. :-) >> >> >>Doc. >>--I >>OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. I >>http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.  >> >  > 6 > Real line printers have bands and rows of hammers.   > N > They can be used as musical instruments if you know what to print, and when. >  > WWWebb >   D Give a listen at http://www.computerhistory.org/exhibits/highlights/   Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:06:16 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)+ Subject: Re: just getting started questions ) Message-ID: <d7mb58$6it$1@news.BelWue.DE>   _ In article <pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05>, "Anthony LaMark" <anthony@eXcSoftware.com> writes:  >Hi All, > L >I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands for: > ; >1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire system   & SHO MEMORY  produces a similar result.  F >2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, not< >cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)  # SHO SYSTEM  gives a similar result.   M If you need a more continous display, use MONITOR as others have pointed out.    Regards,    Chirstoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 03:27:39 -0400$ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca>+ Subject: Re: just getting started questions 9 Message-ID: <Axyne.9548$yG4.846666@news20.bellglobal.com>   8 SHO MEM is interesting, but doesn't give CPU utilization  I "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message # news:d7mb58$6it$1@news.BelWue.DE... ? > In article <pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05>, "Anthony LaMark" ! <anthony@eXcSoftware.com> writes: 
 > >Hi All, > > I > >I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands  for: > > = > >1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire system  > ( > SHO MEMORY  produces a similar result. > H > >2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, not> > >cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs) > % > SHO SYSTEM  gives a similar result.  > J > If you need a more continous display, use MONITOR as others have pointed out. > 
 > Regards, >    Chirstoph Gartmann  >  > --  G >  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452  >  ImmunbiologieK >  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de  >  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany ; >                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:57:26 +10006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>+ Subject: Re: just getting started questions X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE35@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56759.7B390629 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    -----Original Message-----* >From: Chris [mailto:an.other@not_here.ca] >Sent: Thu 6/2/2005 5:27 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, >Subject: Re: just getting started questions >=209 >SHO MEM is interesting, but doesn't give CPU utilization   % Well, no, I guess it shows memory :-)    MONITOR PROCESS/TOPCPU, or MONITOR SYSTEM  L The latter will give you total CPU usage, and highlight the top consumer.  =A The former will list about the highest 8 top consuming processes.   ( Incidentally, in help MONITOR or MONITOR >HELP   L Why do we have to specify MONITOR again?  PROCESSES is as much a parameter = as is e.g., INITIALIZE.    Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisePD the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.p  C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20rC immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20n? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20nC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR>.F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>t <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR>aE immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR>pB virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>a </FONT>h </BODY>t </HTML>.) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56759.7B390629---   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 08:16:59 -0500^; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s+ Subject: Re: just getting started questionsI3 Message-ID: <xFElYbV2DwqB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05>, "Anthony LaMark" <anthony@eXcSoftware.com> writes: 	 > Hi All,  > M > I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands for:' > < > 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire systemG > 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, not = > cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs)v > ( > Any suggestions?  Thank you very much.      You want MONITOR.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:19:21 -0400$ From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail>+ Subject: Re: just getting started questionsP* Message-ID: <429e5e71@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  = Monitor  is not a reasonable solution for the question asked. D It may be able to help in a similar fashion but it is way different.  L vmstat on Unix primarely gives Virtual Memory stats with an output line per ! interval with cpu info thrown in.hM It is simple, it is effective, it is OS provided. For VMS you'll need an add  % on monitor tool or bash or something.h  E ps -ef  is pretty close to 'show system' and IMHO here 'show system' hH provides more, and more useful information. Some of that you can fix by M explicitly selecting different field, but IO and pagefaults are not there on S most Unixes.M If 'show system' does not provide the output fields needed, then again check iJ out bash for vms, or write a program or dcl script with GETJPI to collect A the desired fields. But that is no longer 'just getting started'.t  K vms>  Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts n Pagesa; NIX>     UID   PID  PPID  C    STIME TTY       TIME COMMANDw   Hein.     I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message e- news:xFElYbV2DwqB@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <pXune.12759$fp.1800@fed1read05>, "Anthony LaMark" # > <anthony@eXcSoftware.com> writes:d
 >> Hi All, >>J >> I have looked at the DCL commands to find the equivalent *nix commands  >> for:e >>= >> 1.  vmstat  : to get CPU utilization for the entire systemaH >> 2.  ps -ef   : to get all jobs (and their cpu usage in real-time, not> >> cumulative) running on the entire system (not just my jobs) >>) >> Any suggestions?  Thank you very much.i >t >   You want MONITOR.o >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:02:54 +0800i From: prep@prep.synonet.coms% Subject: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alphaf- Message-ID: <878y1ut90h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  8 Does anyone know of a good optical mouse that works well on an Alpha?   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.,@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:07:52 +0200p3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ) Subject: Re: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alphaf+ Message-ID: <3g80lgFavlglU2@individual.net>-  3 On 2005-06-01 17:02, "prep@prep.synonet.com" wrote::  : > Does anyone know of a good optical mouse that works well > on an Alpha?  H The mechanical mouse HP offers seems to be an (OEM) Logitech one, so theH "Pilot Optical Mouse" could be a reasonable suggestion. (No, I don't use it.)   Michaelr   -- y; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:07:53 -0400o- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>l) Subject: Re: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alpha 1 Message-ID: <edydnbcYCN0WdQPfRVn-ig@adelphia.com>w   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:: > Does anyone know of a good optical mouse that works well > on an Alpha? >   H The one that I am using at home is HP part number 5187-6139.  The mouse @ wheel rolling functions are not supported on the PS/2 interface.  9 The mouse wheel does function as the middle mouse button.a  I It came with the HP PC that I recently got that is now on a Belkin KVM+A   with the DS10.  " I hooked it up and it just worked.  F I do not know what rodents are currently officially supported off the  top of my head though.   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:38:48 -0600t0 From: Mark Berryman <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com>) Subject: Re: Optical PS/2 mouse for Alpham' Message-ID: <429ee1bc$1@cpns1.saic.com>e   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:: > Does anyone know of a good optical mouse that works well > on an Alpha? > C Every Logitech optical mouse I have tried has worked without issue.m  ' I have had trouble with Microsoft mice.   
 Mark Berrymant   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:28:14 GMTz6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>" Subject: Terry Shannon passed away: Message-ID: <iAFne.121$%h7.87061@twister.southeast.rr.com>  I I received the news this morning.  Terry Shannon passed away Monday, May t! 30th.  He was cremated Wednesday.c   -- p   Ken   % _____________________________________ " Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-7376  # OpenVMS.org: http://www.OpenVMS.orgl' dba.OpenVMS.org: http://dba.OpenVMS.orga' dcl.OpenVMS.org: http://dcl.OpenVMS.orgd   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2005 07:42:33 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r. Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)3 Message-ID: <QUEbrMAO30jv@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  c In article <NhghTHMNgZlU@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:y   > BIFF (on Unix) is ....  C    biff is named for Biff, a dog at the programmer's frat house who0A    would bark when the mailman came.  So in the most mnemonic and:F    general manner possible, when he wanted BSD UNIX to tell him he had+    new mail he wrote a utility called biff.   F    All computer users are born with implicit knowledge of Biff, aren't    they?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:32:02 GMTs) From: jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net> . Subject: Re: VMS API (possible unix emulation)8 Message-ID: <d26u91h589610k0stu5memln4l3e7fpgnb@4ax.com>  E On 1 Jun 2005 17:18:30 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.orge (Bob Koehler) wrote:  e >In article <nvnr919o8q8aps4pf9ce4hov9kbfhotleq@4ax.com>, jlsue <jeffls-delete@sbcglobal.net> writes:  >> eF >> I've never even had MIBCOMP, TFF, CXX, GENCAT, DSR, ACS on a system+ >> I've managed, so they hardly even count.e > B >   If you don't have TFF (terminal fallback facility) on your VMS5 >   system, you must be running something pretty old.   B Ah, okay then.  In 20+ years, I've never had to deal with it then.   --- jlso0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.5 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:21:27 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: VNC is great? -and- EDT over VNC -- Gold key doesn't work0 Message-ID: <00A44AC3.C5A6AE87@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <1117679111.657356.28130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:u >d >s  >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:m >> In article <1116286318.656826.246010@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:oK >> >I searched cov archives for VNC and was surprised to see so much praise-J >> >of it. I have it installed on my PC at work and at home and it is veryF >> >slow and screen updates often need the help of extra clicks of the@ >> >mouse. So what makes it so great? (Well, besides the price.) >> >I >> >Also, the EDT GOLD key doesn't work when I use VNC to go from a Win98sE >> >(at home) to my PC (W2K) at work. I use SmarTerm on my work PC tol* >> >connect to the VAX systems via Telnet. >> >K >> >(VNC v4-something at home (I'll check and post), and VNC 3.3.6 (server)v >> >at work. >> > >> >What's the deal?  Thanks.s >># >> Buy a Mac.  ssh -X username@host  >> >> -->N >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>7 >>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"y >t >hA >Well, I checked out a Mac a while ago at J&R Computer World. The D >mouse/pointer action was annoying. As the pointer approached what IF >wanted to click, the pointer slowed down more than my hand, so I fellF >short of the mark. Pushing a little more left it short. So I pushed aC >lot more and overshot! Is there some way to make the pointer trackeG >linearly with the mouse? Strangely, I use my track ball at home on itsd@ >non-linear setting -- its linear setting stinks! Maybe I need a >trackball for the Mac!   A I've never experienced that with my "pointing" devices (mice).  I ? have the trackpad on my PowerBook as well as an Apple Bluetooth ? mouse and a Macally 3 button Bluetooth mouse.  I just looked ine@ the system preferences panel and there is no way to setup linear or non-linear response.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" l   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.306 ************************ around me.  I have lived in other countries.  IE speak foreign languages.  If I thought there was anyplace better than C this I have all the tools in my toolbox to emigrate.  I haven't and ( don't anticipate a need to anytime soon.  P > Remember that Nazi germany grew out of a democracy. 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