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 Re: a sad day 
 Re: a sad day 
 Re: a sad day # Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2  Apple to switch to 8086, take 2 ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID ? Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID   Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:32:14 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: a sad day+ Message-ID: <42A2723D.179FCF97@comcast.net>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes in article <429FA633.92D22328@comcast.net> dated Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:37:07 -0500: % > >susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:  > >> > >> Folks,  > >>L > >> If you go to his web site and read this article it explains a lot about# > >> what he had been going through F > >> http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/05/25/6716036 > >>9 > >> I am sorry that I can not really talk about this yet  > >> sue > >  > >We all understand...  >   > I'm not so sure we do, David.   F Perhaps not. My intent was to express understanding of loss and grief, nothing further.  C Sue's been through a lot lately. Y'know, we just observed the first E anniversary of John Wisniewski's passing. Google this group for Sue's E posts, sort the results by date, and you can review some of the other B challenges fate has brought her way since then. Members of the SIGF mailing list can search their mail archives for her O-O-O messages, as well.   , > Susan might know more than the rest of us.  , She and I have already discussed some of it.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:34:45 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: a sad day+ Message-ID: <42A272D5.E54EC3BA@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > William Webb wrote: E > > Methinks the manner of his life is a more appropriate subject for 9 > > discussion at this time than the manner of his death.  > H > I agree. No matter how his last few years were, no matter how he died,J > he still made an invaluable contribution over MANY years to VMS and thisI > cannot be forgotten. It is best to remember someone in his heydays than  > someone in his sunset. >  > Can someone fill his shoes ?  H VMS has lost two great champions in recent memory. Who, if any, can fill+ the voids they left, much less their shoes?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:48:09 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: a sad day* Message-ID: <42A275F9.4817F00@comcast.net>   Galen wrote: > ) > Dear Sue (and all the others here too),  > I > I'm terribly saddened at the loss of your friend Terry. As I alluded to H > in another thread on this subject, I didn't really know him well--justB > from frequent chats at the old Fall Decus symposia, and from hisH > Charlie Matco and other writings--yet I looked on him as a friend too. > F > As a co-sufferer from depression who has sometimes sunk quite deeplyB > myself, though in recent years only briefly, it's easy for me to; > imagine how the history of recent years--not just that of @ > DEC-->Compaq-->HP, but his own and that of the world around us > all--might have affected him.   G Likewise, I have my challenges. We are both still here. Perhaps we both ; have strength we need to remember when our spirits are low.   E I had a suicidal alcoholic depressive live-in about 14 years ago. You F can only "watch" someone run their car into the back of a DoT truck orH head-on into a dump truck so many times before you realize how insidiousF the affliction can be. I'm sure those experiences were brought into myG life for a reason, and I hope I have learned the lessons they sought to 	 teach me.   7 > My deepest condolences to all who knew and loved him.   H Many of us here knew him. Some were close to him, and he to them. I echo" your sentiments with all my heart.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 04 Jun 2005 20:47:10 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>, Subject: Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 27 Message-ID: <Xns966BE81E3669Bdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   ! %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, JF Mezei wrote in : news:1117917685.d7936649c1b6de08a96e734f769f304a@teranews   A > CNET reports that on Monday, Apple will formally announce it is H > switching to the 8086 platform from Intel, at first, with low end MACs. > and later on, by 2007, with higher end ones.I >> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1 $ >> 006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede   
 <big snip>  G This was brought up on slashdot.  It's a little more complex than just  I assuming Apple will move to x86.  The situation is such that Apple could  7 license PPC such that Intel could manufacture for them.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:41:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2B Message-ID: <1117917685.d7936649c1b6de08a96e734f769f304a@teranews>  ? CNET reports that on Monday, Apple will formally announce it is F switching to the 8086 platform from Intel, at first, with low end MACs, and later on, by 2007, with higher end ones.h > http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede  H I hope Intel is giving Apple LOTS of money to do this. Apple's market isE in no shape to embark on another migration, so soon after having done F the move to OS-X. Just as Apple was start to regain market recognitionG for computers, it will now put its whole computing platform on hold for E 2-3 years, and hope that developpers will be willing to embark on yet 0 another port, so soon after having gone to OS-X.  H Had I won the lottery, one of the first things I would have bought wouldC have been a big multi processor PowerMAC G5. Now, that announcement F ensures I wouldn't waste money on that. Where's Apple going to get itsC money in the next few years with nobody buying PowerPC based MACs ?   R If Apple sales drop, then big ISVs such as Adobe may rethink their MAC strategies.  E Steve Jobs should have looked at what happened to VMS and Alpha after H June 25 2001. Apple's announcement has just given Linux a huge boost. IfA Adobe is smart, it would announce ASAP that its porting its major E products to Linux. Also, I think that Apple purists may rebell at the * thought of being forced to go to the 8086.    C It is also a big blow to IBM. However, most gaming consoles are now @ PowerPC based so IBM may still get sufficient volumes. But it is terrible news for IBM.  A In the end, Carly and Curly were right: everyone is moving to the F industry standard architecture. Carly and Curly just didn't choose the
 right one :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2005 11:18:27 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDB Message-ID: <1117909107.430929.40440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > AEF wrote: >  > ...  > @ >   I noticed that Nomen seems to be increasing his posts in covI > > lately. Maybe this thread has something to do with it. Coincidence? I  > > suspect not! > > 2 > > Thanks JF, for attracting more Nomen nonsense. > E > You working on your asshole merit badge in addition to the multiple % > moron badges you've already earned?     D Your just jealous that I answered the file system question about how: someone got a 2.5 million block INDEXF.SYS and you didn't.    G > Blaming someone for the actions of a nut-case who's stalking him is a H > new low in my book.  But I guess knuckle-draggers who see little wrong    G Uh, you're reading a little more (actually, quite a lot more) into what G I said. I never held Nomen blameless. I just think it's foolish to help  him.  G You don't flash your jewelery when you're walking in a high crime area. D You don't publish your SSN number on the Web. Asking someone to stopE attracting wrong doers in no way exceuses the wrong doers, or is that  concept beyond you?     F > with our country's behavior aren't overly finicky about throwing anyC > kind of shit they think might possibly stick at people who are so J > presumptuous as to offer anything resembling objective criticisms of it.   > - bill    A Yes, pronouncements from a guy who thinks Russia joined WWII just * because they felt they needed to help out.  , Bill, you assume a lot based on very little.  F This newsgroup is not the place for discussion of world politics. I amD no fan of the Bush administration, but this is not the place for it,+ espescially when it attracts the riff raff.   C It doesn't take much to get an insult from you, Bill. In fact, it's  almost a badge of honor!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:58:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDB Message-ID: <1117918674.2bfc5124450f265cdc034283946b8907@teranews>  
 AEF wrote:I > Uh, you're reading a little more (actually, quite a lot more) into what I > I said. I never held Nomen blameless. I just think it's foolish to help  > him.  G The Nomen messages are a cyclical thing. They attack 2 persons in these F waves (the other one worked for a company making a TCPIP stack for VMSE and now part of Cisco BTW). The current wave began before this thread E started. And it isn't necessarily just one person.  We are hit with a ? certain modus operandi which matches what is being done in many  newsgroups to different people.   F There was a TV report not long ago about this affecting kids at schoolB too. (kids purposefully starting rumours to smear some other kids,! electronic bullying if you wish).     F Two people have now broken down and publically support the Nomens (addD to what Nomen says, and repost verbatim the Nomen postings to bypassG filters many news servers now have). However these 2 people are focused / on me, and not the other target in those waves.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:44:15 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID, Message-ID: <6aidnWwZLtyM-j_fRVn-tA@igs.net>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > William Webb wrote: < >> On 6/3/05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>> John Smith wrote: D >>>> As to whose hands actually did the torturing, Syrians acting onG >>>> behalf of their own government, Syrians acting on behalf of the US G >>>> government, Americans of Syrian descent acting on behalf of the US G >>>> government, or others with other motives - that is unclear and may + >>>> not ever be known with 100% certainty.  >>>  >>> A >>> Do americans deny arresting a senior VP of a large california B >>> database software company when he showed up to the immigrationC >>> office because he had heard that non citizens needed additional @ >>> pieces of paper even if they were legally in the USA. He wasH >>> arrested on the spot (seems he showed up a few days late), sent to aH >>> southern california prison where he stayed with 12 other people in aG >>> cell with lights on 24 hours a day, no access to lawyers or a phone H >>> call. His office wondered where he was. His family wondered what hadB >>> happened to him, and his card, which he had parked for what he@ >>> thought would be just half an hour to check with immigration" >>> officials was towed away ????? >>> G >>> (and yes, he was canadian wuith full paper working in the USA, with 2 >>> house and family firmly installed in the USA.) >>> A >>> Are americans aware that following a spate of such incidents, G >>> Amnisty International started to post volunteers at the entrance of G >>> each immigration offiice to take down the person's contacts so that G >>> AI could contact the families should the person not emerge from the  >>> immigration office ? >>> H >>> Yes, Amnisty International having to defend human rights from abusesF >>> by USA authorities. And your government has the gall to tell other& >>> countries to respect human rights. >>>  >>F >> I usually avoid these threads like the plague but cannot allow this >> to go without comment:  >>G >> Amnesty International's implication of a [blatantly false, to anyone G >> who has half a wit about them] moral equivalence between the horrors H >> of the Soviet-era gulags and what went on in Guantanamo or Abu GhraibH >> is an insult to not only the millions of victims [and their families]G >> of the Soviet state security apparatus, but is also an insult to the = >> intelligence of anyone who is conversant with the works of  >> Solzhenitsyn or Sharansky.  >>@ >> It's about as reasonable as equating panties on the head with
 >> beheading.  >> > 
 > Touch !    L http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20050602/cm_thenation/20050620editors;_yltC =AoUqOJ1uUXvqoRYTW9o7ylMe_8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl      --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:54:32 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID7 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050604205469bdaf10@mail.gmail.com>   - On 6/4/05, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > William Webb wrote: > > >> On 6/3/05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > >>> John Smith wrote: F > >>>> As to whose hands actually did the torturing, Syrians acting onI > >>>> behalf of their own government, Syrians acting on behalf of the US I > >>>> government, Americans of Syrian descent acting on behalf of the US I > >>>> government, or others with other motives - that is unclear and may - > >>>> not ever be known with 100% certainty.  > >>>  > >>> C > >>> Do americans deny arresting a senior VP of a large california D > >>> database software company when he showed up to the immigrationE > >>> office because he had heard that non citizens needed additional B > >>> pieces of paper even if they were legally in the USA. He wasJ > >>> arrested on the spot (seems he showed up a few days late), sent to aJ > >>> southern california prison where he stayed with 12 other people in aI > >>> cell with lights on 24 hours a day, no access to lawyers or a phone J > >>> call. His office wondered where he was. His family wondered what hadD > >>> happened to him, and his card, which he had parked for what heB > >>> thought would be just half an hour to check with immigration$ > >>> officials was towed away ????? > >>> I > >>> (and yes, he was canadian wuith full paper working in the USA, with 4 > >>> house and family firmly installed in the USA.) > >>> C > >>> Are americans aware that following a spate of such incidents, I > >>> Amnisty International started to post volunteers at the entrance of I > >>> each immigration offiice to take down the person's contacts so that I > >>> AI could contact the families should the person not emerge from the  > >>> immigration office ? > >>> J > >>> Yes, Amnisty International having to defend human rights from abusesH > >>> by USA authorities. And your government has the gall to tell other( > >>> countries to respect human rights. > >>>  > >>H > >> I usually avoid these threads like the plague but cannot allow this > >> to go without comment:  > >>I > >> Amnesty International's implication of a [blatantly false, to anyone I > >> who has half a wit about them] moral equivalence between the horrors J > >> of the Soviet-era gulags and what went on in Guantanamo or Abu GhraibJ > >> is an insult to not only the millions of victims [and their families]I > >> of the Soviet state security apparatus, but is also an insult to the ? > >> intelligence of anyone who is conversant with the works of  > >> Solzhenitsyn or Sharansky.  > >>B > >> It's about as reasonable as equating panties on the head with > >> beheading.  > >> > >  > > Touch=E9 ! >=20 >=20L > http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20050602/cm_thenation/20050620editors;_= ylt I > =3DAoUqOJ1uUXvqoRYTW9o7ylMe_8QF;_ylu=3DX3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl  >=20 >=20 > --H > OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV > base.  >=20 >=20 >=20  E John, I respect your brilliance when it comes to VMS marketing ideas, - but Gulag/Gitmo is still a false equivalence.    The Yahoo article even says so.   F And AI didn't say too much about the chopping off of heads, mutilation= of corpses or so-called "honour killings" of women, did they?   D (I always wanted to festoon the back of my car with adjacent AmnestyA International and NRA stickers just to mess with the minds of the  peopel behind me in traffic.)    WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:46:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional IDB Message-ID: <1117950330.81ac93eb860973d5da0c7a7e46c54828@teranews>   William Webb wrote: G > John, I respect your brilliance when it comes to VMS marketing ideas, / > but Gulag/Gitmo is still a false equivalence.   H > And AI didn't say too much about the chopping off of heads, mutilation? > of corpses or so-called "honour killings" of women, did they?     H If you compare the USA against the worse human rights offenders, I guess@ you can feel good knowing that you're not the worse human rightsD offender in the world. But it is quite a contrast from the days whenH americans would never tolerate that their government not uphold the best$ human rights standards in the world.  D And just because USA media do not talk about Amnesty Intl action andG reports in the past doesn't mean that they have not done them about all C sorts of events in many countries. But it is telling that AI is now E operating in the USA , not to collect funds to help it protect rights H elsewhere, but to protect rights in the USA against your government. ButB I expect you will refuse to accept such statement since you cannotF possibly believe that your government would perform the horrible stuff0 the rest of the world is seeing the USA perform.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:58:10 -0400 1 From: "taylor.taylor" <"taylor.taylor"@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised? ; Message-ID: <ABooe.22365$yG4.1166916@news20.bellglobal.com>    moon_dust_lady@yahoo.com wrote:   I > I am pretty sure based on his interview that he is intact since he said I > that he viewed circumcised penises as bizarre looking and mutilated.  I I > think he was born outside the US.  He also said that he had agreed with : > his Jewish wife that their son would not be circumcised. >   E Leo's married? I didn't know that. It's very logical to go w/... uh,  I logic of the JewsAgainstCircumcision.org website than be heavily guilted  = into mutilating your perfect infant son by a (Jewish) family.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.311 ************************