1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 07 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 315       Contents:G Re: (false) Rumours of the death of VMS... (dedicated to Terry Shannon) 
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(dedicated to Terry Shannon)8 Message-ID: <9taaa1ljqjfphhqutfo4c4eqpdpnuevipn@4ax.com>   Dider,@    Your essay was well thought out, brilliantly expanded on, and9 remarkably sad - to me - because of this one paragraph...   E "Mark Gorham, vice president of the OpenVMS division at HP, says that D of the 411,000 or so current users of OpenVMS, roughly 100,000 stillD use the now-ageing Vax hardware. However, revenue continues to grow D year-on-year in the low double digits and 10% to 15% of all OpenVMS  business comes from new users."    WHERE is the 100,00 ????C I bet someone out there uses Ingres and Cobol and would like an old 4 fart like me to help them keep their system running.  C So, how do I reach Mark and ask him to start sending out my resume?      j1076366 @ hotmail.com   -------       2 On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:25:22 +0200, Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> wrote:    >Rumours of the death of VMS... @ >http://www.infoconomy.com/pages/strategy-column/group106391.adp >Author: Rob Buckley >rob@the-word-is-not-enough.com  >Date: 10 May 2005 > H >After 30 years, the venerable VMS operating system is showing no signs J >of going away. How is it holding on to its position at the heart of some . >of the worlds most mission-critical systems? > E >Many of the world's largest stock exchanges and banks; thousands of  D >hospitals; national rail systems; several of Europe's mobile phone H >networks; the majority of the US army's computer systems. What do they F >have in common? They all rely on a 30 year-old operating system, one E >that is still unrivalled in its robustness and security by Unix let   >alone Linux or Windows. > ? >Originally developed by Digital back in the 1970s for its Vax  E >minicomputers, the VMS operating system is now on its third owner -  G >Hewlett-Packard (HP) - and has had its obituary prematurely published   >multiple times. > F >Perceived by many as 'legacy' technology that has been superseded by H >Unix and even Windows, it has survived poor management and even poorer J >marketing only through the dedication of a diehard regiment of engineers J >and a customer base that has surprised Digital, interim-owner Compaq and I >then HP with its unswerving loyalty to the product. But there are signs  H >that even if HP didn't realise when it merged with Compaq in 2002 that G >it was getting what some regard as a 'jewel' of operating systems, it  J >may finally be waking up to the on-going commercial potential of OpenVMS J >(as it is branded). When CIOs in most market sectors talk about disaster I >recovery, security, business continuity, five nines uptime and measures  H >of reliability, few think of OpenVMS as a potential solution. However, G >in healthcare, telecoms, government, manufacturing and other sectors,  3 >OpenVMS has long been the mainstay of reliability.  > J >Derek Eaton is head of IT at the Police Mutual Assurance Society (PMAS), H >which runs most of its services, including a new Child Trust Fund, off I >OpenVMS. "If you had to choose an operating system to bet your mortgage  G >on in terms of that machine being available 24x7, where would you put  , >your money? I'd still bet on VMS," he says. > G >While he says he has no particular emotional attachment to OpenVMS or  J >any brand of operating system, Eaton still says it would be difficult to G >"find an IT manager who lies in bed at night wondering if his OpenVMS  , >system will be available the next morning." > I >As well as reliability, OpenVMS has security features available only in  I >high-end Unixes and immunity to security issues such as buffer overflow  F >errors that are so often the basis of vulnerabilities in Windows and  >Unix operating systems. > I >And for disaster recovery, the system comes with features that are even  E >now only available at the extreme high-end: support for full 'share  I >everything' clustering with up to 96 different nodes, each of which can  A >contain up to 64 CPUs and can be based on Vax, the 64-bit Alpha  B >processor originally developed by Digital or Intel's new Itanium H >processor; synchronous mirroring of data at distances up to 500km; and 0 >built-in imaging and restoring of system disks. > C >It is unsurprising, therefore, that organisations that have had a  J >traditional interest in uptime and security have stuck with OpenVMS. And G >as HP's commitment to OpenVMS has gone from lukewarm to enthusiastic,  C >the install base has not just stabilised but has actually started   >growing again.  > I >Mark Gorham, vice president of the OpenVMS division at HP, says that of  G >the 411,000 or so current users of OpenVMS, roughly 100,000 still use  A >the now-ageing Vax hardware. However, revenue continues to grow  E >year-on-year in the low double digits and 10% to 15% of all OpenVMS   >business comes from new users.  >  >Work of art > E >What does surprise OpenVMS's fans is that so few organisations even  H >think of it as an option. "How on Earth did the world go from where we H >all use VMS when doing serious work to the situation we have now where C >VMS is considered a bit of a has-been and everyone considers Unix  G >bomb-proof?" wonders Elliott Roper, a long-time OpenVMS developer and  J >managing director of systems integrator Yezerski Roper Ltd. "Unix is not B >bomb-proof; it's a toy. Anyone who knows the difference can tell  >[OpenVMS] is a work of art."  > I >OpenVMS's decline from its heyday is a result of many factors. For one,  E >there was the acceptance by many IT executives that being tied to a  I >single vendor's hardware platform (as VMS originally was) undermined an  J >ability to take advantage of industry standards. The growing scarcity of C >OpenVMS skills, and the smaller number of enterprise applications  B >available for the operating system, have also contributed to its I >diminution, as has the understandable desire of many IT decision makers  7 >to have a more manageable, homogeneous infrastructure.  > I >Digital, Compaq and HP have also all had problems with the marketing of  G >OpenVMS. The decision by Digital to change VMS's name to OpenVMS - to  E >emphasise its compatibility with the Unix Posix standard - is still  H >proving confusing almost 14 years on: even existing Vax customers want I >to know the difference between VMS and OpenVMS and how they can upgrade.  > ? >Compaq and Digital have both exhibited what Colin Butcher, an  C >award-winning OpenVMS developer and technical director of XDelta,  H >tactfully describes as "stealth marketing". "There are more people out < >there than I'd care to admit who thought it had gone away." > H >HP's VMS chief, Gorham, who has survived with most of the original VMS I >team since its Digital days, also found it hard to sell OpenVMS as part  J >of Compaq. "When I walked into customers saying I'm here from Compaq and H >I'm here to talk to you about OpenVMS there was a bit of confusion and E >maybe sometimes disbelief because Compaq was known as a PC company."  >   	 H >The merger of Compaq and HP also stalled VMS marketing while HP got to   >grips with its new acquisition. > H >PMAS's Eaton recalls going to a seminar just after the merger where an J >HP spokesperson hinted that OpenVMS was "a surprise to the company after D >the takeover and it hadn't realised what it had got". Many of HP's A >server teams have also overlooked OpenVMS, often talking of the  H >company's "three operating system strategy - Windows, Linux and HP-UX". > I >It is only now that HP seems finally to be working out a long-term plan  I >for OpenVMS. The three-year long project to port OpenVMS from the dying  I >Alpha chip to Itanium 2 was completed in January 2005. To coincide with  C >the launch, HP announced some key software ports to the platform,  F >including Computer Associates Unicenter Console Management and IBM's  >WebSphere MQ software.  > J >Internal work to port as many of the most popular open source enterprise E >applications is also well under way, with Apache and other packages  G >already ported - although not in production yet. A set of tools and a  G >compatibility layer to help developers port applications from Unix to  G >OpenVMS have also come as a welcome relief to developers more used to  J >tools helping them move away from OpenVMS. Lastly, the threat of OpenVMS H >simply dying out as more and more members of the original Digital team I >retire is diminishing as the company has embarked on the recruitment of  H >a new generation of VMS developers. Overall team numbers have actually I >increased considerably over the last three years, despite HP's decision  / >last year to outsource thousands of its staff.  >  >Slow and steady > H >Nevertheless, no one is talking about VMS returning to its glory days. E >Even if the departure of CEO Carly Fiorina doesn't prompt a massive  C >rethink of HP's strategy and focus, there is still the problem of  B >mindshare. HP has little intention of launching a mass-marketing I >campaign for OpenVMS so user numbers are likely to continue to increase   >only slowly if at all.  > F >Education schemes to increase the OpenVMS skills base are continuing H >through donations of machines to universities, but few recent computer F >science graduates have had any exposure even to the name OpenVMS and I >there are no new Alpha or Itanium workstations on which to run OpenVMS.  J >Andreas Vollmer, formerly OpenVMS manager at Ikea and now OpenVMS system B >manager at a major European postal service, finds that he has to F >evangelise the system to many and train his administrators in-house. G >"Even then, it takes a year before they get to grips with it, and two  D >years before they can be in charge of a live environment." Greater I >availability of packages from the bigger enterprise software vendors is  H >also going to be needed if HP is to stave off migrations and encourage F >new users. Vollmer's team, for example, were considering a move away E >from OpenVMS since their Sybase database wouldn't run on the system.  > D >The release of OpenVMS for Itanium 2 has now made them think about 7 >moving away from Sybase and changing database instead.  > J >Perhaps the biggest problem for OpenVMS, however, is this pinning of its I >fortunes to Itanium 2. When Compaq planned to port the system away from  I >Alpha, it was limited by technical issues to only a few possible 64-bit  G >chips. At the time, Itanium seemed more promising than many regard it  C >now, and if it were to fail in the market or fail to scale to the  G >performance levels required by many OpenVMS users, the end of OpenVMS  H >development would almost certainly be assured - even if HP had to keep D >on some Alpha-based and Itanium-based hardware to support powerful H >customers with 25-year support contracts, such as the US Department of 	 >Defense.  > I >With HP facing a potential change in direction under new CEO Mark Hurd,  I >OpenVMS is again at a crossroads. But its heavyweight supporters, which  C >have helped rebuild the momentum behind the operating system, are   >unlikely to let it slow.  >  >This post dedicated to Terry. >Requiescat in pace. >  >D. B >PS: I will arrive in Boston/Logan only Monday afternoon at 3 pm,  >passport not ready.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:51:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: a sad day* Message-ID: <42A49B20.2687A3@teksavvy.com>   Z wrote:I > Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential items like H > food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that burger is- > $15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5.   D That is how tax works.  If you make $100k, the tax man takes 50% offC your salary, so in order to buy that $5.00 burger, you need to make H $10.00 in salary. If you are on welfare and pay no taxes, then the $5.00 burger costs you $5.00   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:46:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: a sad day, Message-ID: <42A499F2.9920B5B5@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > the contribution has to increase (or benefits have to be cut).  InH > countries with a tax-based health-care system, the total costs tend toI > be less, probably because there is less unnecessary paperwork involved.     B Where government runned systems differ greatly is that they do notF overspend on facilities/equipment. A city may have 3 hospitals, but itG may need only one MRI machine to handle the case loads that really need E MRI. Since the 3 hospitals work together instead of competing against F each other, they have no problems transfering patients from one to theH other since  they don't see this as the loss of a profitable customer to
 a competitor.     F And because there is no oversupply of medical procedures, doctors haveF to prioritise patients. Someone coming in in a real emergency will getG his/her MRI right away, displacing a patient that was scheduled to have D his/her MRI for a less urgent problem. And this means that those whoF have no real need for an MRI will wait a very long time if they really want an MRI.  H This weeds out those who want MRIs for elective purposes, or doctors whoD prescribe an MRI just to cover their butts against malpractice suits= when the MRI is really not necessary. By reducing unnecessary G procedures, it lowers global health costs. And it also reduces the risk - that an unnecessary procedure would turn bad.   G For every "patient died while waiting for treatment", I wonder how many G "patient died during an unnecessary procedure" performed by doctors who 5 saw potential to get money to pay for new golf clubs.   C The "famous" cases of somone dying while on a wait list are few and H would generally be the fault of doctors not determining that the patient was a priority.   E But everywhere in the western world, health care costs are very high. J But in governmnent controlled schemes, the costs are under better control.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:29:58 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: Re: a sad day+ Message-ID: <Qu1pe.15744$QX1.9510@fe06.lga>    JF Mezei wrote: I >>Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential items like H >>food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that burger is- >>$15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5.   F > That is how tax works.  If you make $100k, the tax man takes 50% offE > your salary, so in order to buy that $5.00 burger, you need to make J > $10.00 in salary. If you are on welfare and pay no taxes, then the $5.00 > burger costs you $5.00  C 50% tax rate?  Thank goodness the USA isn't that "progressive" yet.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:33:23 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: Re: a sad day+ Message-ID: <2y1pe.15745$QX1.9371@fe06.lga>    Michael Kraemer wrote:@ > You may as well ask: is it fair to earn $100K/yr, when another> > persons earns only $50K/yr or less, even though both of them' > spend maybe 8-10 hrs per day at work.   + Why would I ever ask such a silly question?   E Outside of a socialist/communist economic model, of course it's fair.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:53:21 +02003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>  Subject: Re: a sad day= Message-ID: <42a4d3e3$0$67257$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Michael Kraemer wrote:D > In article <3X%oe.49446$rt1.30960@fe04.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:D >>> Rather, some folks pointed out advantages of a tax-based system:E >>> costs spread more evenly; government control of costs rather than B >>> companies charging what the market well bear, even if it makes' >>> health care too expensive for some.  >>E >> Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential items D >> like food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that8 >> burger is $15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5. > @ > You may as well ask: is it fair to earn $100K/yr, when another> > persons earns only $50K/yr or less, even though both of them: > spend maybe 8-10 hrs per day at work. Both give the sameA > amount of their lifetime, the most valuable thing a human being  > has.E > And btw, you don't "make" money, you take it from somebody else :-)   L That is factually incorrect, despite the smiley.  The economy is not a zero 	 sum game.    Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:17:54 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: a sad day+ Message-ID: <42A4E7B1.D606BC88@comcast.net>   
 Lurker wrote:  > @ > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message9 > news:42a3a141$0$67255$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...  > > Z wrote: > > > David J Dachtera wrote: 9 > > > That it's almost as bad as every other "free" plan.   + Improper attribution - I didn't write that.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:05:40 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: a sad day= Message-ID: <NMednbj1jd6YkjjfRVn-rw@metrocastcablevision.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    ...   D > Where government runned systems differ greatly is that they do notH > overspend on facilities/equipment. A city may have 3 hospitals, but itI > may need only one MRI machine to handle the case loads that really need G > MRI. Since the 3 hospitals work together instead of competing against H > each other, they have no problems transfering patients from one to theJ > other since  they don't see this as the loss of a profitable customer to > a competitor.   C Another area in which significant savings occur is in treatment of  I relatively indigent patients.  In the U.S. system, such patients wind up  C in the emergency room in the late and expensive stages of whatever  C they're afflicted with and the paying customers wind up indirectly  F footing the bill, whereas in a system where *everyone* is covered for G preventive or early-stage treatment such people walk in, get treatment  : which is usually far less expensive, and are on their way.  F It has been argued fairly credibly that everyone in the U.S. could be C covered medically without spending an additional dime in total, or  F reducing the quality of treatment one iota, or reducing medical staff B salaries.  But only by cutting out the superfluous (but extremely H influential) elements of the system which are not contributing one whit  to the medical end of it.   D *Of course* people who are getting all the care they need under the C current system don't see any need to change it.  But more and more  C people are not getting that care, because anything resembling full  , coverage is far beyond their ability to pay.   What are they, chopped liver?    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:15:18 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>, Subject: Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2( Message-ID: <42A4AED6.DD8618C8@mist.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > J > It will be VERY interesting to see Steve Jobs' answer if asked why Apple > didn't choose IA64.  > C > Hint for VMS: its  strength is in clustering many small/mid range 3 > machines together (up to 96 alphas and/or vaxes). G > It isn't so much in "big iron", even though this is the market it was K > artificially reatrcticted to by management and now by the choice of IA64.  > H > Apple is choosing the chip with expanding range, while VMS is stuck on# > IA64 which has a narrowing niche.   8 It could very well be that Intel offered Apple one sweet deal on thier IA64 chips. ; How else will Intel recoup their losses??  Apple only needs  a good low cost chip. : I don't know how well the new Intel em64s compare with the	 Ia64 tho.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:27:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Apple to switch to 8086, take 2, Message-ID: <42A4BFCC.D87A3C1E@teksavvy.com>  & In case you haven't read the news yet.  C Jobs made it official this morning. Apple swithing to the 8086. The  reports in CNET were exact.   G Apple revealed that they had been compiling OS-X on 8086 for the last 5 H years, and demoed a version of OSX-X running on an 8086. (A far cry fromG the June 25 announcement of the Alpha murder where it took years before H VMS was really running  to be usable on that IA64 thing). Granted, AppleG started with a kernel whose code was already built for the 8086, so far  less work for them.   > There will be a PowerPC emulator on the 8086 version of MACos.G Some applicatiosn using certain developper tools won't be portable, but G those using XCode will just need to be recompiled, and the 8086 version H will generate dual binaries (in a the same file) that can be run on both 8086 and Power MACS.  E Apple will make proprietary 8086 boxes and will ensure MACos does not C run on other manufacturer's boxes. (As opposed to VMS engineers who G stated that they woudln't take active steps to prevent VMS from booting L on other people's IA64 boxes but wouldn't test such configs nor support it).    E So now, the question becomes: Will the VMS engineers, when porting to D the 8086, take Apple hardware into consideration to see if VMS could! boot on Apople hardware ????? :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jun 2005 14:18:40 -0700 / From: "Chaskiel Grundman" <cgrundman@gmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: booting alpha system from vax-only cluster C Message-ID: <1118092720.691198.255800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   L > Install it temporarily on a VAX and BACKUP/IMAGE the installation CD, then$ > transfer it to the Alpha and boot.E If I thought I could easily attach a narrow scsi device to the alpha, C as I would need to do for this, I would just remove the cdrom drive G from it's enclosure and attach it to the alpha's internal bus. However, B the interior of the alpha seems fairly crowded, and I don't recall- having seen a 50 pin connector on the isp1040   E I guess the consensus of the list is "replace the bad cable and do it 4 the right way." (I got a private reply too) Oh well.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:01:49 +1000# From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate>   Subject: Bulletin board software/ Message-ID: <42a50e1e$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>   G Is there any bulleting board software that will work with the WASD web   server?    TIA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:35:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: Bulletin board software, Message-ID: <42A515DB.4BC062BA@teksavvy.com>   Gremlin wrote: > H > Is there any bulleting board software that will work with the WASD web	 > server?   H Some people have written a web interface to DECnotes (formerly VAXnotes,. then compaq notes and I guess HPnotes by now).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:48:22 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= $ Subject: Re: Bulletin board software5 Message-ID: <42a52722$0$879$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   I > Is there any bulleting board software that will work with the WASD web  	 > server?  >     $ phpbb2 run fine, need MySQL and PHP.   I run it from a few years:, http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/phpbb/index.php   > TIA  >  >    Jean-Franois Pironne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:38:56 +1000# From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> $ Subject: Re: Bulletin board software/ Message-ID: <42a532f2$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Hi Jean-Franois  M I can't seem to find a version of MySQL for VMS, certainly not any v5, v4 or   v3 - could you help?   TIA   D "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message / news:42a52722$0$879$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr... I >> Is there any bulleting board software that will work with the WASD web 
 >> server? >> >  > & > phpbb2 run fine, need MySQL and PHP. >  > I run it from a few years:. > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/phpbb/index.php >  >> TIA >> >> >  > Jean-Franois Pironne     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:22:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: DCL BAtch Job problem. + Message-ID: <42A4E8A8.8504389E@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Mister Q wrote: C > > Of course, if we need to change backup.com, it becomes ;16, our = > > autopurge removes ;15 and the batch job fails with a FNF.  > + > When you modify such a procedure you can:  >  > edit backup.com;15 > save it, it creates ;16  > % > then COPY/OVERLAY BACKUP.COM;16 ;15  > then DELETE BACKUP.COM;16    Nice trick!     ...but it's not always possible.   Pickup 4038_freeware.zip from: http://www.djesys/freeware/vms/ 2 (http://www.djesys/freeware/vms/4038_freeware.zip)  @ ...and in it, find RESUBMIT.COM. Requires CMKRNL because it uses= SUBMIT/USER, but gets around those situations where you can't - COPY/OVERLAY or where that's not appropriate.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:16:19 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> Subject: Re: EIA0:? + Message-ID: <d82ef4$o6e$1@news01.intel.com>    tadamsmar wrote: [...]  > 6 > show config scrolls off the screen too fast to read.  F At the console, you have a bare-bones, stripped-down, unix-like shell.% So pipe the output to "more" like so:         >>> show config | more   D As other have said, the EI devices are Intel-based NICs, usually PCI cards.  . > show device (from vms) shows it as a 182559. > * > Could it be for USB?  We have USB ports.   Not likely.   @ My recollection is that the DS10 (and other DS's) come with dualA built-in 100mb Ethernet EI nics.  I've also seen Gb Ethernet nics ' show up as EW devices, e.g., the DEGPA.         Regards, Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:28:27 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: EIA0:? 7 Message-ID: <8660a3a105060621285b25ae4f@mail.gmail.com>   8 On 6/6/05, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote: > tadamsmar wrote: > [...]  > > 8 > > show config scrolls off the screen too fast to read. >=20H > At the console, you have a bare-bones, stripped-down, unix-like shell.' > So pipe the output to "more" like so:  >=20 >      >>> show config | more  >=20F > As other have said, the EI devices are Intel-based NICs, usually PCI > cards. >=200 > > show device (from vms) shows it as a 182559. > > , > > Could it be for USB?  We have USB ports. >=20
 > Not likely.  >=20B > My recollection is that the DS10 (and other DS's) come with dualC > built-in 100mb Ethernet EI nics.  I've also seen Gb Ethernet nics ) > show up as EW devices, e.g., the DEGPA.  >=20 >      Regards, Ken  > --8 > I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... >=20 > Ken Fairfield # > D1C Automation VMS System Support $ > who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield > where: intel dot com >=20  B It might be a variant of the BI (Bucolic Interface) device- EIEI0:   : ^ )    WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:25:07 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>  Subject: enuffs enuff ? Message-ID: <d824e2$ioh$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>    Hi,   J I don't care what anyone says, it's just not right what you done to Amy!!!  $ This Nomen Nescio shit's gotta stop!  5 Regards Richard (sorry to be posting about VMS) Maher   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:d820sf$vdf$8@online.de... = > In article <Z3Uoe.5490$U4.776839@news.xtra.co.nz>, "Lurker"  > <nowhere@nothing.com> writes:  > F > > > Like the free plan people have in countries like, well, denmark, germany 
 > > > etc. > > I > > There is no free lunch (or health care) Think about it - the doctors, E > > nurses, ambulance drivers, janitors etc etc all expect to get the 
 pay-check.H > > Add costs, taxes and other expenses - it's just not free. If someone gets it 8 > > for "free" it simply means that someone(s) else pay. > > C > > Sure, it may be nice to know you have a sort of social security 
 safety-netE > > below you - but it does not come "free" - you pay for that (taxes  anyone?) > B > No-one claimed it was free in the sense that no-one pays for it.H > Rather, some folks pointed out advantages of a tax-based system: costsG > spread more evenly; government control of costs rather than companies F > charging what the market well bear, even if it makes health care too > expensive for some.  > J > I grew up in the U.S. and knew many people who went into medicine solely@ > for the money, without any interest in medicine, either from aJ > biological or social point of view.  One fellow pupil who had moved fromJ > Canada since his father (a physician) could make more money in the U.S.,A > and who later became a physician himself, honestly claimed that G > physicians in the U.S. were not to blame if they earn too much, since I > the AMA sets the prices.  Of course, the AMA reflects the wishes of the 
 > physicians.  > H > (This same guy, when he was 17(!), came up to me after Latin class andE > whispered to me, completely astonished, "did you hear Amy fart?"  I J > replied "yes, what's the big deal?", and he honestly said "I didn't knowI > girls could fart!".  I'm not saying his command of biology was typical,NC > but the fact that he even wanted to become a physician is scary.)  >l   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jun 2005 16:22:54 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>. Subject: From SYS$HUMOR: If OSes were airlinesB Message-ID: <1118100174.287990.86790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  G OK, It looks like it's a good time for a little SYS$HUMOR, even if it'srD a bit old (more than 10 years old!). I don't know who the author is,G though a search on the Net or Usenet might bring it up. So, disclaimer:.F I'm just posting this to lighten things up a bit. I am not responsibleB for the content and it does not necessarily reflect my opinions on9 anything (as if anyone were interested in my opinions :-)e    " IF OPERATING SYSTEMS WERE AIRLINES  G Amiga Airline: The airport terminal is nice and colorful, with friendly B stewards and stewardesses, easy access to the plane, an uneventfulC takeoff. For the more adventurous: travelers can travel on multiplehC planes and visit multiple destinations all at the same time. DuringaE these multiple plane trips the user can even take a side trip on Mac,m DOS, Unix, or Windows airlines.!  E DOS Airline: Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then jumpmD on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again, then push again, jump on again and so on.O  E DOS with QEMM Airline: The same thing but with more leg room to push.e  > Mac Airline: All the stewards, stewardesses, captains, baggageE handlers, and ticket agents look the same, act the same, and talk thedB same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are told youG don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for 0 you without you having to know, so just shut up.  E MPE Airline: It's a little difficult to get a ticket because you havegB to sign up for the right plane, specify you want a seat to sit in,G identify each piece of baggage and list it on your ticket, and once you-F enter the plane you may never see the same steward/ess twice. However,F once the plane takes off, the ride is exceptionally smooth and usuallyG on-time, unless you cross a timezone (this results in your being placeda) in a holding pattern for 1 hour until theo@ plane's clock and the local clocks are synchronized). Should the? unthinkable happen and your flight ends in a crash, you will beoD magically whisked back to the origin of the flight where you will be placed on the next plane out.0  B OS/2 Airline: To board the plane, you have your ticket stamped tenG different times by standing in ten different lines. Then you fill out anF form showing where you want to sit and whether it should look and feelC like an ocean liner, a passenger train, or a bus. If you succeed intD getting on board the plane and the plane succeeds in getting off theA ground, you have a wonderful trip...except for the times when theh( rudder and flaps get frozen in position,@ in which case you have time to say your prayers and get yourself prepared before the crash.  @ Windows Airline: The airport terminal is nice and colorful, with@ friendly stewards and stewardesses, easy access to the plane, an@ uneventful takeoff...then the plane blows up without any warning whatsoever.   D NT Airline: Everyone marches out on the runway, says the password inD unison, and forms the outline of an airplane. Then they all sit down1 and make a whooshing sound like they're fly- ing.s  C Unix Airline: Everyone brings one piece of the plane with them whenoC they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put themD plane together piece by piece, arguing constantly about what kind of plane they're building.   D OpenVMS Airline: Security to get on the plane can be tight, but onceG you get on, everyone has their own roomy area (depending on your pilot, ? of course). You sit down in a comfortable roomy seat, and bracetG yourself for the launch to warp by the powerful Alpha/AXP engines.  You A enjoy looking out your first-class DEC-and-X-windows at the otherbF planes flying haplessly in circles below.  You feel almost guilty that6 they are limited to the Earth's atmosphere, except forB the Amiga, which is just off your port wing.  :)  You enjoy witty,A scintillating conversations with other passengers, and even otherrB planes of almost any type.  But the plane is too fast, and the airA traffic controller doesn't want to let you leave the country "foriC National Security".  Then you realize that your boss has you bumpedaF from first-class to coach where your client PC's are all contemplating- closing their eyes, shouting "Geronimo!", ands@ jumping ship without a parachute, hoping to land on a Unix plane without crashing it...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:23:34 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>t2 Subject: RE: From SYS$HUMOR: If OSes were airlinesR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6507CC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: AEF [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Sent: June 6, 2005 7:23 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh0 > Subject: From SYS$HUMOR: If OSes were airlines >=20 >=20 >=20? > OK, It looks like it's a good time for a little SYS$HUMOR,=20a > even if it'sF > a bit old (more than 10 years old!). I don't know who the author is,@ > though a search on the Net or Usenet might bring it up. So,=20
 > disclaimer:aH > I'm just posting this to lighten things up a bit. I am not responsibleD > for the content and it does not necessarily reflect my opinions on; > anything (as if anyone were interested in my opinions :-)e >=20  A And for those that would like a bit more humour - not specific tox# OpenVMS, but the kids will like it.c  . Check out: (warning - PC flash addin required) http://www.storewars.org   :-)i   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantd HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660w Fax: 613-591-4477r kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jun 2005 17:46:48 -0500s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)pM Subject: Re: Help! DECdtm status anomalies between VAX and Alpha $trans_eventy3 Message-ID: <L0egP26q0Zdo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <d7uk6c$a01$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:h > Hi,  > K > I've completed the first-pass conversion of my software from VAX to AlphaPN > and am now in the middle of regression testing. One anomaly that has croppedE > up so far is to do with the $trans_event service with a tx_event ofnJ > ddtm$k_tx_commit. On Alpha, the cond_val in the iosb contains ss$_normal > rather than ss$_forget.c  . > VAX/VMS 6.2 Image Id DDTM 6.2-05 17-Mar-19955 > Alpha/VMS 7.2-2 Image Id V1.3-X035-X71Z 21-Sep-2001i  A Those version differences look bigger to me than the architecture  difference.S   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 04:52:35 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>tM Subject: Re: Help! DECdtm status anomalies between VAX and Alpha $trans_evente? Message-ID: <d8396i$b3o$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>   	 Hi Larry,d  C > Those version differences look bigger to me than the architectureo
 > difference.o  I You're probably right. The GOOD news is that's the *ONLY* difference I'verL found! So what I need is a box with a more recent version of VAX/VMS to testI on. But in the mean time, I''m changing the VAX TIP Manager code to catersG for the change that we both expect will be there. (Along with the otherw< changes to fix latent bugs that I discovered in the port :-)   Regards Richard Maherr  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:L0egP26q0Zdo@eisner.encompasserve.org...wJ > In article <d7uk6c$a01$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Richard, Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: > > Hi,l > >nG > > I've completed the first-pass conversion of my software from VAX toT AlphaoH > > and am now in the middle of regression testing. One anomaly that has cropped G > > up so far is to do with the $trans_event service with a tx_event ofSL > > ddtm$k_tx_commit. On Alpha, the cond_val in the iosb contains ss$_normal > > rather than ss$_forget.x >s0 > > VAX/VMS 6.2 Image Id DDTM 6.2-05 17-Mar-19957 > > Alpha/VMS 7.2-2 Image Id V1.3-X035-X71Z 21-Sep-2001w >eC > Those version differences look bigger to me than the architectureC
 > difference.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:17:33 GMTv  From: John Santos <john@egh.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID) Message-ID: <xd9pe.4496$Kj3.775@trnddc03>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <EW5bDf2UaTH6@eisner.encompasserve.org>,s@ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > X >>In article <3g69j6FaurrpU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >>% >>>We were never attacked by Germany.O >>: >>   I think the Merchant Marine would disagree with that. >  > J > Uhhh....  Do you mean when they sailed into a war zone carrying suppliesD > for the the other side.  Hardly a neutral action, don't you think? >  > K >>>Using today's Liberal logic (how's that for an oxymoron) we should nevera* >>>have interfered with Germany's actions. >>F >>   I never met a liberal who was against the US involvement in WWII. >  > B > But if they used the same "logic" we keep hearing about Iraq, weF > would never have attacked Germany because Germany wasn't threateningH > us and proably never could have.  Like everyone else who tried to rule  E Germany declared war on the US before the US declared war on Germany.o  F After Pearl Harbor, the US immediately declared war on Japan.  GermanyD then declared war on the US, in support of Japan.  Only then did theH US declare war on Germany.  Germany could have probably avoided bringingG the US into the war against them for some time (months, maybe years) byo/ refraining from declaring war, but they didn't.e    E > all of Europe they would have eventually colapsed on their own.  OfaJ > course, they would have killed millions but what the hey, not Americans.; > Maybe we should have just stayed out of the whole affair.i >  r > bill >      -- S John Santosm Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:38:32 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>H Subject: Re: HP to help governments with tracking users with NAtional ID+ Message-ID: <cx9pe.10855$yS2.3968@trnddc07>a   JF Mezei wrote:V > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  b > B >>But if they used the same "logic" we keep hearing about Iraq, weF >>would never have attacked Germany because Germany wasn't threatening# >>us and proably never could have. l >  > G > Germany was attacking many countries. Countries such as England askedrF > their friends to come to the rescue. And plenty of countries came toD > help because Germany was a rogue nation out on a rampage. And even9 > Russia stepped in to stop that rogue nation's progress.   F Actually, Russia only went to war with Germany after Germany attacked.  @ Shortly before Germany attacked Poland, Hitler and Stalin agreed? to a non-aggression pact which was basically a deal to split upr? Poland.  (Right up to this point, Hitler had always labeled the E Soviet Union as the greatest enemy of Germany and the slavs generallyi< and the Russians in particular as sub-humans.)  Neither side? really trusted the other, but both wanted to buy time.  GermanyrE was all set to invade England (had the troop transports, barges, etc. @ all prepared) but the Blitz failed, it got too late in the year,8 and the invasion got postponed indefinitely.  Hitler had> apparently always planned to attack Russia, but only after the> war in the west had ended.  Either through a cease fire, or anC invasion and setting up a Vichy-style puppet government in England.eB Anyway, the next spring, he went ahead with the invasion of RussiaC with ultimately disasterous results for about 20-30 million people.d  A Russia didn't step in until it was attacked, and actually not for ; several days, since Stalin thought it was a plot by his owny# underlings and not a real invasion.    >  > J > When the USA was attacked on 9-11, all its allies came to the rescue andH > when the Afghan government refused to help, plenty of nations not only> > agreed but also participated in the invasion of Afghanistan. > J > Iraq was not attacking anyone, and none of its neighbours wanted the USAJ > to invade. Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz had promised in 1998 to tear up theJ > Clinton agreement with North Korea, invade Iraq to oust Hussein and showF > the middle east was was really in power etc.  This had nothing to doD > with protecting the world, everything to do to re-assert the USA'sH > military and political might which they felt had been compromised by aE > weak Clinton. These actions weren't based on current realities, butE1 > rather on long standing plans by the evil trio.B > J > The end result  is that the USA is now seen as the rogue nation invading	 > others.i  C The common thread here seems to be stupidity and greed, and a totalt' failure to learn anything from history.    -- w John Santos    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:15:44 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o2 Subject: Re: I guess this means all is well again., Message-ID: <b4Gdnbq2o-iMIDnfRVn-vg@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <N6OdnToobrEQHQvfRVn-rg@comcast.com>,, > "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> writes:2 >> http://www.infoconomy.com/pages/group106391.adp >> >k > I can't resist.... >sD >        "Mark Gorham, vice president of the OpenVMS division at HP,$ >         says that of the 411,000 " >s% > There's that magic number again!!!!u      D It's like deja vu all over again. Well, perhaps more like the cosmicH background noise that Jansky and Reber discovered in 1930's.....it still sounds the same even today.     I But to put it all in persective, I would equate Gorham to other giants of L science and technology like Planck, Boltzmann, Avogadro, Hubble, and others,C each of who has had a *constant* named after them. For his years oftG championing and reminders of the number of VMS systems in daily use,  IdG hereby propose that hereinafter the number 411,000 shall be perpetually L known as One Gorham when used in reference to operational VMS systems in the known universe.t     --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 01:08:21 +02003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>e2 Subject: Re: I guess this means all is well again.= Message-ID: <42a4d76e$0$67262$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    John Smith wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <N6OdnToobrEQHQvfRVn-rg@comcast.com>,v- >> "Wayne" <bruzeksat@comcastdot.net> writes:o3 >>> http://www.infoconomy.com/pages/group106391.adpr >>>  >> >> I can't resist....  >>E >>        "Mark Gorham, vice president of the OpenVMS division at HP,e% >>         says that of the 411,000 "t >>& >> There's that magic number again!!!! >t >v > F > It's like deja vu all over again. Well, perhaps more like the cosmicD > background noise that Jansky and Reber discovered in 1930's.....it# > still sounds the same even today.s >s >hA > But to put it all in persective, I would equate Gorham to otherdD > giants of science and technology like Planck, Boltzmann, Avogadro,B > Hubble, and others, each of who has had a *constant* named afterG > them. For his years of championing and reminders of the number of VMSgE > systems in daily use,  I hereby propose that hereinafter the numberg? > 411,000 shall be perpetually known as One Gorham when used ino= > reference to operational VMS systems in the known universe.t   Kinky, but I like it :-)  
 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:27:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>c< Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm, Message-ID: <42A495A0.9F5F3C35@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:n > 5 > The Inquirer's latest take on the future of ItaniumQ  F Woopty doo ! No big surprise there.  All according to plan. Intel willF succeed compared to Alpha because it will pull the plug because peopleA will be begging it to put IA64 out of its misery and focus on one$  platform with an assured future.  G IA64 is now a liability to VMS and HP-UX.  VMS needs and asset on whichr it can run.r   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jun 2005 17:49:05 -0500y- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen).8 Subject: Re: Logical Names and Privileges - Minor Whinge3 Message-ID: <CjNZWQd9aeXM@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  u In article <d80scs$j65$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:D > Hi,e > > > If you have SYSPRV enabled but *not* SYSNAM and you do a : - >  > $define/sys/exec t3$blah foo > 9 > you get *no* warning or error message. But when you : -g > 0 > $ sh log t3$tip_unresolved_search_detent /fullI >    "T3$TIP_UNRESOLVED_SEARCH_DETENT" [super] = "300" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)t > N > you discover that is has gone onto the System Table in *supervisor* mode :-( > M > I can't tell you how many times this has bitten me in the arse, and yes I'maN > off to change my default privs, but surely this can't be right let alone VMS< > can it? Don't do what you ask but don't tell you about it?  ; One VMS consideration these days is backward compatibility.H? Some customer could have a command procedure that inadvertentlyi; depends on the current behavior (which has been there for am
 _long_ time).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:47:38 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o5 Subject: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!,, Message-ID: <42A534C9.ADF28F66@teksavvy.com>  E In the last week of May, my all mighty Microvax II, born in may 1987,r turned 18 years old. m  G Apart from having to change power supply twice, it hasn't had any other1D hardware problems. As a gift to my "son", I gave him  a picture of a6 naked female Microvax (loaded onto its hard drive :-)   G Perhaps I should find a DECdirect catalogue with a centerfold  and giveu it my now adult son :-)     B A tribute to quality products from Digital Equipment Corportation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:49:39 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-- Subject: Re: Possible to top FTP "cd" command , Message-ID: <42A49ABD.BD27DEC6@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:.C > If they are using anonymous FTP, they can't get out of the "root"mA > directory, unless perhaps other directories are readable by the5 > anonymous user.e  H They can CD SYS$SYSTEM: and then read any files that are world readable.  H When VMS engineers used the word "world" in the file access scheme, they really meant it.  E I agree though that the FTP server should have a logical it checks atiE the process level to see of the CD command is permitted. So you could/H define TCPIP$FTP_NOCD 1 in the login.com of the user, and the user would= then not have the ability to use the CD command while FTPing.o  E and perhaps TCPIP$FTP_NOCD 2 which would restrict CD commands to only-. subdirectories of the sys$login for that user.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jun 2005 12:24:50 -0700j$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: Possible to top FTP "cd" command C Message-ID: <1118085889.996344.188660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>g   JF Mezei wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > > If they are using anonymous FTP, they can't get out of the "root" C > > directory, unless perhaps other directories are readable by theo > > anonymous user.p >nJ > They can CD SYS$SYSTEM: and then read any files that are world readable. >oJ > When VMS engineers used the word "world" in the file access scheme, they > really meant it. > G > I agree though that the FTP server should have a logical it checks ateG > the process level to see of the CD command is permitted. So you could J > define TCPIP$FTP_NOCD 1 in the login.com of the user, and the user would? > then not have the ability to use the CD command while FTPing.o >nG > and perhaps TCPIP$FTP_NOCD 2 which would restrict CD commands to onlyi0 > subdirectories of the sys$login for that user.      G TCPWARE has a logical name that lets you restrict access to a specifiedtB directory tree on a per user basis. A separate logical name is for@ restricting access for anonymous users. (I have TCPWARE v5.3-3.)  ? I don't know if Multinet or TCPIP services can do these things.a   ------------------------------   Date: 06 Jun 2005 20:30:59 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>- Subject: Re: Possible to top FTP "cd" commando6 Message-ID: <Xns966DE54E7F41dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>  : %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, AEF wrote in news:1118085889.996344.188660 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.comt  I > TCPWARE has a logical name that lets you restrict access to a specifiednD > directory tree on a per user basis. A separate logical name is forB > restricting access for anonymous users. (I have TCPWARE v5.3-3.) > A > I don't know if Multinet or TCPIP services can do these things.>  L If I recall correctly, Multinet permits you to define a logical search list K that restricts ftp access to the listed directories.  This may only be for eH the anonymous account, but there's also the MadGoat FTP package which I - believe is the most configurable of them all./     Doc. -- aG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.bG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:19:24 +1000# From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate>i Subject: Problem installing DFUh- Message-ID: <42a52e62@duster.adelaide.on.net>   K Can't install DFU, it wants a kit that appears to be installed OK, install n snippet follows:   [USERS] > producte% _Operation (INSTALL, SHOW, ...): shown& _What (PRODUCT, HISTORY, OBJECT): prod! _Product name (* to show list): *-< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE:< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.2-1        Full LP     Installede9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-2           Platform    Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Installedl9 DEC AXPVMS TNT V3.2-D               Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-2               Oper System Installed(< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------  
 5 items founds [USERS] > prod install *  G %PCSI-W-SFTREF, product DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.1-1 references DEC AXPVMS VMSrE -PCSI-W-SFTRF1, referenced product is not installed and a kit is not h	 availablerJ -PCSI-W-SFTRF2, note that if the software dependency is expressed within aG -PCSI-W-SFTRF3,   configuration option of the referencing product, the d optionG -PCSI-W-SFTRF4,   will be marked unselectable to allow installation to r proceed  Do you want to continue? [YES]  ( The following product has been selected::     DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.1-1                  Layered Product   Do you want to continue? [YES]    Configuration phase starting ...  K You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product and h foroB any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency 
 requirements.u  I %PCSIUI-E-SWREFUNSAT, one or more software references cannot be satisfiede  ?     * Product DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.1-1 cannot be processed becauser<     * one or more software dependencies (identified earlier)<     * on other products cannot be satisfied.  Make available<     * the prerequisite product kits and retry the operation.  D %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition    Any help would be appreciated.   TIA    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jun 2005 22:29:22 -0700. From: jenifer_621365@yahoo.com Subject: pulseC Message-ID: <1118122162.204706.282750@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>t   rewrtet    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:02:36 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial , Message-ID: <1PGdnf4Qf_fUJjnfRVn-tw@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:2 > you better tell intel to continue to offer small- > 1p servers i.e. DS10/DS10L so we and others-/ > can offer solutions to small and medium sized:/ > businesses ... not everyone running vms needsu > and can afford a superdome!     F Bob, HP doesn't care one iota about those markets for VMS. In order toG 'reach' those markets HP would have to advertise VMS. Tell me Bob, just-I between us guys, when was the last time you saw an HP ad *featuring* VMS? J When was the last time you saw an ad even mentioning VMS in some way other( than a token "Itanic runs VMS too" line?  H I think you've been watching the Michael Jackson trial waaay too much to? have a full grip on the reality of HP's intentions towards VMS.n   --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:30:10 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>r7 Subject: RE: Security Company - New OpenVMS TestimonialaR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6507CD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=202 > Sent: June 6, 2005 5:03 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:9 > Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial  >=20 > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:4 > > you better tell intel to continue to offer small/ > > 1p servers i.e. DS10/DS10L so we and otherse1 > > can offer solutions to small and medium sizedD1 > > businesses ... not everyone running vms needsr > > and can afford a superdome!v >=20 >=20H > Bob, HP doesn't care one iota about those markets for VMS. In order toB > 'reach' those markets HP would have to advertise VMS. Tell me=20 > Bob, just2= > between us guys, when was the last time you saw an HP ad=20n > *featuring* VMS?@ > When was the last time you saw an ad even mentioning VMS in=20 > some way other* > than a token "Itanic runs VMS too" line? >=20   John,p  F Not that I necessarily agree with the strategy, but when have you seenC any public or magazine ads specific for Solaris, AIX or even HP-UX?5   Regards0  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660B Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:14:40 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial , Message-ID: <5eGdndIvt_mPaDnfRVn-qQ@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message-----D+ >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]t >> Sent: June 6, 2005 5:03 PMi >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: >> Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial >> >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote:i4 >>> you better tell intel to continue to offer small/ >>> 1p servers i.e. DS10/DS10L so we and others 1 >>> can offer solutions to small and medium sizeda1 >>> businesses ... not everyone running vms needst >>> and can afford a superdome!n >> >>F >> Bob, HP doesn't care one iota about those markets for VMS. In orderC >> to 'reach' those markets HP would have to advertise VMS. Tell meo >> Bob, just; >> between us guys, when was the last time you saw an HP ad  >> *featuring* VMS?f> >> When was the last time you saw an ad even mentioning VMS in >> some way other0+ >> than a token "Itanic runs VMS too" line?l >> >u > John,n >.H > Not that I necessarily agree with the strategy, but when have you seenE > any public or magazine ads specific for Solaris, AIX or even HP-UX?o     Solaris advertising, yes.e  J AIX - IBM's sales droids talk about it with their customers in banking and1 brokerage - can't comment about other industries.   K HP-UX - no clue. It's at some of my customer sites but nobody says anything J about advertising....they just expect that it won't be EOL'd anytime soon.  L VMS - oh, you mean the 'plan of record' that changes so frequently it soundsF like a brainstorming session rather than a firm corporate committment.   --J OpenVMS - The operating system spoke about with the same reverence that is accorded the dead.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:08:46 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>tY Subject: Re: The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies Collects, Integrates Datain Real-T , Message-ID: <42A4912B.8D817D07@teksavvy.com>   Didier MORANDI wrote::6 > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prweb247707.htmJ > of the largest companies around the world that integrate multiple legacy > data sources  C > Integrating data from our OpenVMS system with real-time customerr7 > information in a Windows-based reporting environment p  C > marketing, Attunity. Inlands new ability to use years of legacy= > customer and operational m  D > mainframe as part of EAI projects, legacy data access for business > intelligence and reporting,     H If I didn't know Attunity was a known VMS ISV, I would have said that itF was a competitir to VMS who loved to use the word "legacy" to describe what VMS does.  G I think that Sue should have a quiet chat with the guy, while squeezingeA his balls very firmly and get him to commit to never use the word== "legacy" in a document where legacy is meant to apply to VMS.l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:56:03 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>fY Subject: RE: The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies Collects, Integrates Datain Real-TeR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6507B5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20e > Sent: June 6, 2005 2:09 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms; > Subject: Re: The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies=20w: > Collects, Integrates Datain Real-Time with VMS Datain=20. > Real-Time with VMS Datain Real-Time with VMS >=20 > Didier MORANDI wrote:u8 > > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prweb247707.htm? > > of the largest companies around the world that integrate=20s > multiple legacyr > > data sources >=20E > > "Integrating data from our OpenVMS system with real-time customert; > > information in a Windows-based reporting environment=20O >=20E > > marketing, Attunity. "Inland's new ability to use years of legacyf > > customer and operational=20e >=20F > > mainframe as part of EAI projects, legacy data access for business" > > intelligence and reporting,=20 >=20 >=20@ > If I didn't know Attunity was a known VMS ISV, I would have=20 > said that itH > was a competitir to VMS who loved to use the word "legacy" to describe > what VMS does. >=20B > I think that Sue should have a quiet chat with the guy, while=20 > squeezingeC > his balls very firmly and get him to commit to never use the wordy? > "legacy" in a document where legacy is meant to apply to VMS.t >=20   JF -  D "Legacy" is the term Microsoft now uses to describe Windows 2000 and Windows NT systems.=20  C "Legacy" is the term Sun uses to describe older versions of Solariss (e.g. Solaris 7, 2 etc).  : Point being is that every platform has legacy versions.=20  E That does not mean current versions of each of these OS platforms area	 "legacy".   < Granted, the media types of the world still have a hard time understanding this concept.e   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax: 613-591-4477t kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:23:47 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies Collects, Integrates Datain Real-Ti+ Message-ID: <42A4E912.E7961BE0@comcast.net>t   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Didier MORANDI wrote: 8 > > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prweb247707.htmL > > of the largest companies around the world that integrate multiple legacy > > data sources > E > > Integrating data from our OpenVMS system with real-time customer 8 > > information in a Windows-based reporting environment > E > > marketing, Attunity. Inlands new ability to use years of legacy  > > customer and operational > F > > mainframe as part of EAI projects, legacy data access for business > > intelligence and reporting,$ > J > If I didn't know Attunity was a known VMS ISV, I would have said that itH > was a competitir to VMS who loved to use the word "legacy" to describe > what VMS does. > I > I think that Sue should have a quiet chat with the guy, while squeezingaC > his balls very firmly and get him to commit to never use the word ? > "legacy" in a document where legacy is meant to apply to VMS.e  B I wrote them a note and a fellow wrote back saying he'd forward my) comments to the Attunity VP of Marketing.y   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE SystemsR http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:l" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/t   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:26:32 -0500w2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies Collects, Integrates Datain Real-Ti+ Message-ID: <42A4E9B8.7ABAD65C@comcast.net>O   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----8 > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] > > Sent: June 6, 2005 2:09 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm: > > Subject: Re: The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies9 > > Collects, Integrates Datain Real-Time with VMS Datain 0 > > Real-Time with VMS Datain Real-Time with VMS > >o > > Didier MORANDI wrote:w: > > > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prweb247707.htm> > > > of the largest companies around the world that integrate > > multiple legacys > > > data sources > >eG > > > "Integrating data from our OpenVMS system with real-time customer : > > > information in a Windows-based reporting environment > >eG > > > marketing, Attunity. "Inland's new ability to use years of legacym > > > customer and operational > >rH > > > mainframe as part of EAI projects, legacy data access for business! > > > intelligence and reporting,a > >n > >i? > > If I didn't know Attunity was a known VMS ISV, I would havea > > said that itJ > > was a competitir to VMS who loved to use the word "legacy" to describe > > what VMS does. > > A > > I think that Sue should have a quiet chat with the guy, whilen
 > > squeezingeE > > his balls very firmly and get him to commit to never use the wordgA > > "legacy" in a document where legacy is meant to apply to VMS.  > >  >  > JF - > F > "Legacy" is the term Microsoft now uses to describe Windows 2000 and > Windows NT systems.t > E > "Legacy" is the term Sun uses to describe older versions of Solaris  > (e.g. Solaris 7, 2 etc). > 9 > Point being is that every platform has legacy versions.y > G > That does not mean current versions of each of these OS platforms areo > "legacy".s > > > Granted, the media types of the world still have a hard time > understanding this concept.f  G ...and most folks born after the 'boomers seems to equate "legacy" withTF "old, useless garbage" (i.e., not a point-and-click toy). What did theA guy say in MiB? Oh,yeah: "old and busted", as opposed to the "newn	 hotness".o   -- s David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsx http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:y" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/r   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:51:29 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com; Subject: [O.T.] txx-based fair (unhijacking Re: a sad day))yQ Message-ID: <OFF46D96A2.08F7541F-ON85257018.00673F1A-85257018.00678BD1@metso.com>X  . Z <Z@no.spam> wrote on 06/06/2005 01:43:33 PM:  1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:eJ > > Rather, some folks pointed out advantages of a tax-based system: costsI > > spread more evenly; government control of costs rather than companieshH > > charging what the market well bear, even if it makes health care too > > expensive for some.  >fI > Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential items likecH > food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that burger is- > $15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5.p  H You may have thought you were declaiming RAA, but for example in FinlandC IIRC the speeding fine is based on income from your last income tax F return (they are public documents) and the police access them via cellD phone, then write the citation.  The higher your income, the greater	 the fine.w0 It may or may not be fair, but it is what it is.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:58:09 +02003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> ? Subject: Re: [O.T.] txx-based fair (unhijacking Re: a sad day))j= Message-ID: <42a4d500$0$67262$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:e0 > Z <Z@no.spam> wrote on 06/06/2005 01:43:33 PM: > 2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:D >>> Rather, some folks pointed out advantages of a tax-based system:E >>> costs spread more evenly; government control of costs rather thanbB >>> companies charging what the market well bear, even if it makes' >>> health care too expensive for some.s >>E >> Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential itemswD >> like food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that8 >> burger is $15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5. >eB > You may have thought you were declaiming RAA, but for example inB > Finland IIRC the speeding fine is based on income from your lastE > income tax return (they are public documents) and the police accessM@ > them via cell phone, then write the citation.  The higher your > income, the greater the fine.52 > It may or may not be fair, but it is what it is.  J The CEO of Nokia has the world record speeding fine I believe.  I am sure % its on the wibbely wobbely somewhere.d  
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