1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 08 Jun 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 317       Contents:
 Re: a sad day 
 Re: a sad day 
 Re: a sad day . Re: booting alpha system from vax-only cluster Re: DCL BAtch Job problem. Re: Hardware id of PCI card ) Re: How small can an VMS installation be? ) Re: How small can an VMS installation be? ) Re: How small can an VMS installation be? # How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist? ' Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?  HP and thin-clients  Re: HP and thin-clients 3 Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm   Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised?0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!0 Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!!' Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC + Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC * OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2. Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2 Re: Problem installing DFU Problems configuring TCPIP Re: Problems configuring TCPIP. Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial. RE: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial. Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial. Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial. Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial. Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial9 TCPIP SET ROUTE/GATEWAY=<alias entry in local hosts file> - Why can't I break out of this telnet session? 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session? 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session? 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session? 1 Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:22:18 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: Re: a sad day& Message-ID: <Etmpe.78$1v7.37@fe04.lga>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: J >>Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential items like I >>food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that burger is  - >>$15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5.  >  > 4 > Because in order to do that you would either need P > 1) A National ID system recording everyone's salary which could be accessed by! >    all merchants selling goods.  > or  I > 2) Each citizen to be issued with a card by the government based on the  >    individuals salary.  B ... or tack on another n% on income and give everyone food stamps.   Good idea, no?  F Why should poor people have to pay the same for a can of beans as the  filthy rich people?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:54:52 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: a sad day0 Message-ID: <11abupbs5d20439@corp.supernews.com>   Z wrote:! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > G >>> Is tax-based fair? If so, why not apply it to more essential items  F >>> like food, water, clothes and housing? If you make $100K/yr, that 9 >>> burger is $15, but if you make $50K/yr, it's only $5.  >> >> >>F >> Because in order to do that you would either need 1) A National ID @ >> system recording everyone's salary which could be accessed by" >>    all merchants selling goods.J >> or 2) Each citizen to be issued with a card by the government based on  >> the >>    individuals salary.  >  > D > ... or tack on another n% on income and give everyone food stamps. >  > Good idea, no? > H > Why should poor people have to pay the same for a can of beans as the  > filthy rich people?   2 You leave lots of room between those two extremes.  F Sometimes good intentions, wishes, and such just don't have a chance. E The pretty basic law of 'supply and demand' seems to exist, from the  F most Capitolistic of economies to the most socialist of economies.  A > bit like gravity, conservation of matter and energy, and such.  F While I could appriciate a world where everyone contributed what they H could, and everyone had what they needed, you'll need to find something " other than humans to make it work.  I Consider the multiple generations who exist on welfare.  I've seen them.  ,   They don't want anything else.  Parasites.  D Some people have different desires than others.  Plenty of guys are @ content to go out and play a game of softball (or whatever) for E recreation.  Me, I want to fly, and I'm willing to endure the higher  I cost and effort to do so.  There are plenty who will say "you don't need  / to do that".  In their mind, no.  In mine, yes.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:50:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: a sad day, Message-ID: <42A6089F.4D56FB0B@teksavvy.com>   Z wrote:G > Why should poor people have to pay the same for a can of beans as the  > filthy rich people?   E Actually, you'd have to pay the rich people to eat a can of beans :-)   H Up here, there is a lottery ad that spoofs "Fear Factor", and one of theC challenges for the super rich  is to drink a glass of tap water :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:38:51 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: Re: booting alpha system from vax-only cluster ( Message-ID: <opsr02u1uozgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On 6 Jun 2005 14:18:40 -0700, Chaskiel Grundman <cgrundman@gmail.com>    wrote:  J >> Install it temporarily on a VAX and BACKUP/IMAGE the installation CD,   >> then % >> transfer it to the Alpha and boot. G > If I thought I could easily attach a narrow scsi device to the alpha, E > as I would need to do for this, I would just remove the cdrom drive I > from it's enclosure and attach it to the alpha's internal bus. However, D > the interior of the alpha seems fairly crowded, and I don't recall/ > having seen a 50 pin connector on the isp1040  > G > I guess the consensus of the list is "replace the bad cable and do it 6 > the right way." (I got a private reply too) Oh well. > ? There 80 and 68 to 50 pin adapters available for modest amounts    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:23:51 -0400* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com># Subject: Re: DCL BAtch Job problem. + Message-ID: <3gm6v5Fd82arU1@individual.net>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:42A3AD56.CAB6716C@teksavvy.com... > Mister Q wrote: B >> Of course, if we need to change backup.com, it becomes ;16, our< >> autopurge removes ;15 and the batch job fails with a FNF. > + > When you modify such a procedure you can:  >  > edit backup.com;15 > save it, it creates ;16  > % > then COPY/OVERLAY BACKUP.COM;16 ;15  > then DELETE BACKUP.COM;16  > H > The other option is to, as you mentioned, have a wrapper routine which* > gets submitted and then calls backup.com > F > The batch queue system works by fileID, not by filename, so when you/ > submit, it is really tied to the actual file.   L I've been doing this for (many) years but to be on the save side I copy the D file to another name, edit it and then do the COPY/OVER back to the A original. This way you can't accidentally purge and be forced to   delete/resubmit the job.   Marty    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:56:21 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> $ Subject: Re: Hardware id of PCI card7 Message-ID: <8660a3a105060711567f3afe7d@mail.gmail.com>   E On 6/7/05, Robert Trawi=F1ski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote: H > Is it possible to get hardware id of PCI card from VMS session or fromL > console?  We try to install Ethernet card that is not officially supporte= d  > (Alpha/VMS 7.3-2)  >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Robert >=20 >=20 >=20+ Assuming that the system sees it correctly-    $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM   SDA>  SHOW LAN/FULL =20     scroll down a couple of screens.  D Good luck, I've never had an unsupported NIC card work in a VMS box.   WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:04:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: How small can an VMS installation be?, Message-ID: <42A5E1A3.E7D45D51@teksavvy.com>   Andreas Davour wrote:  > I > I have a 2 Gig HD left over that I'm considering using with a simulated  > VAX. > J > Anyone know how small disk footprint for VMS can be? Is there a good way > to slim an installation down?     2 gig is way over what you need.  E I was able to manually fit a minimal VMS system in a 54 meg drive for G temporary use. You need to install the B saveset fully, and then boot/1 A to get to sysboot, change the startup procedure to nothing, or to H startup.com (not sure it exists yet) and then boot, list the contents ofD the C saveset, restore the portions that are needed. That gets you a@ barebones VMS with an editor and most utilities, but no help, no libraries, no examples etc etc.   H If you do a normal install, and the installation procedure (which is theD startup procedure defined in the B saveset contents so when you nextG boot, the istallation procedure runs), you are given some options for a 9 tailored installation which removes some disk space need.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:06:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: How small can an VMS installation be?, Message-ID: <42A5E212.115FEB38@teksavvy.com>   Andreas Davour wrote: H > But, 300Mb is fairly impressive so I guess 7.2 isn't that much bigger?  H Not much bigger. However, do not install that DECNET 5 thing. That wantsD 80meg or 80000 blocks, can't remember. Installs DECNET 4. It is muchH smaller both in disk space requiremenmebt, memory and CPU and especially system management needs.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:19:58 GMT & From: hoffman@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: How small can an VMS installation be?1 Message-ID: <yrmpe.6656$ie.2312@news.cpqcorp.net>   _ In article <cs9zmu21ewv.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes:  : H :I have a 2 Gig HD left over that I'm considering using with a simulated :VAX.  : I :Anyone know how small disk footprint for VMS can be? Is there a good way  :to slim an installation down?  /   Spend the US$10 or so, and get a bigger disk.   E   You can most certainly stuff OpenVMS VAX into some amazingly small  F   quantities of disk, but that most definitely limits your flexibilityB   and your access to and general availability of tools and layeredG   products.  As anything other than entertainment, it's, well, tedious. G   With the price of storage being what it is, why bother?  (Unless this 6   is centrally a "storage limbo" you want to try.  :-)  G   I fit a V3.x version into roughly 5 MB; about half an RL02 disk.  Had K   enough to boot and to start DECnet.  That was a few years ago, obviously. (   No layered products, no upgrades, etc.  I   For the official minimum storage requirements, see the OpenVMS VAX SPD.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:02:21 -0700 ( From: Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net>, Subject: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?/ Message-ID: <d855hf$29t7$1@news.mainstreet.net>   F I'm in the VMS hobbyist program through Encompass.  After having some H problems last year, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER, advised me to upgrade to H V7.3-2 (for Alpha).  So I put it off for several months, but now I have  time again.   G So where can I get a current version of OpenVMS for the hobbyist?  The  - place from where I bought the CD-ROM before,  E http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html, still has V7.3-1.  I've  H looked all over and can't find V7.3-2.  Perhaps I should be looking for  something newer?   --   Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:50:04 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>0 Subject: Re: How to get V7.3-2 for the hobbyist?0 Message-ID: <lJGdnawTb8wBuTvfRVn-uw@comcast.com>   Steven Schoch wrote:H > I'm in the VMS hobbyist program through Encompass.  After having some J > problems last year, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER, advised me to upgrade to J > V7.3-2 (for Alpha).  So I put it off for several months, but now I have 
 > time again.  > I > So where can I get a current version of OpenVMS for the hobbyist?  The  / > place from where I bought the CD-ROM before,  G > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html, still has V7.3-1.  I've  J > looked all over and can't find V7.3-2.  Perhaps I should be looking for  > something newer? >   F Where are you located?  Perhaps someone "local" to you can lend you a   copy.  That's how I got my copy.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:39:24 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: HP and thin-clients, Message-ID: <fNydnb5Pk7xydDjfRVn-rw@igs.net>  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23779   K At least they did an X-term for it. Wonder how the VT emulation is, if it's   even there. Uses Linux and Java.        HP goes to Eden for thin clients   VIA cocks a hoop  * By Paul Hales: Tuesday 07 June 2005, 12:16  J CHIP-MAKING VIA said it will supply ink-making HP with batches of its Eden* platform to power a range of thin clients.  I The low-power Eden platform based on VIA's x86 Eden ESP processor will be H slipped into HP Compaq -branded t5125, t5520 and t5525 thin clients, the$ companies said in a statement today.  I VIA's marketing man, Richard Brown, professed to being delighted with the G deal, while a spokesman for HP, Greg Schmidt, said the low-power, small E footprint platform would be a "big bonus" for its traditional desktop 
 customers.  K The new thin clients are expected to be available within a couple of weeks.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:58:17 -0400- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>   Subject: Re: HP and thin-clients7 Message-ID: <8660a3a105060711581cee45f5@mail.gmail.com>   - On 6/7/05, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: - > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D23779  >=20L > At least they did an X-term for it. Wonder how the VT emulation is, if it= 's" > even there. Uses Linux and Java. >=20 >=20 >=20" > HP goes to Eden for thin clients >=20 > VIA cocks a hoop >=20, > By Paul Hales: Tuesday 07 June 2005, 12:16 >=20L > CHIP-MAKING VIA said it will supply ink-making HP with batches of its Ede= n , > platform to power a range of thin clients. >=20K > The low-power Eden platform based on VIA's x86 Eden ESP processor will be J > slipped into HP Compaq -branded t5125, t5520 and t5525 thin clients, the& > companies said in a statement today. >=20K > VIA's marketing man, Richard Brown, professed to being delighted with the I > deal, while a spokesman for HP, Greg Schmidt, said the low-power, small G > footprint platform would be a "big bonus" for its traditional desktop  > customers. >=20L > The new thin clients are expected to be available within a couple of week= s. >=20 >=20 >=20  * I think they should call it the Multia II.   WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:15:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Intel neuters Montvale, Itanic screams in alarm, Message-ID: <42A5E42A.981B58F7@teksavvy.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:2 > I think intel has had enough of HP and told them7 > "it's your baby, if your want it, you support it" ...   C My take is that as of mid-late 2003, the plan to phase out IA64 was G agreed upon by HP and Intel. 8086 is where HP is going. Big question is - whether HP-UX will go 8086 (can it ?) or not.   H When you think about it, HP could now offer Linux for mid range servers,D and VMS / NSK at the high end for the really serious stuff and Linux can't handle (yet).     0 > so now HP is still indirectly in the processor0 > manufacturing business by having to supply the1 > money to intel to continue to try to prove that ( > itanium (in HPs mind) is superior ...   I At this point in time, it is just PR to save face for both Intel and HP.     > if only they3 > would admit it isn't and start up alpha again and  > port everything to alpha!   F While that would be really nice, I doubt it will happen. Carly/Curly'sE policies of going with industry standard commodity CPU is not flawed. F Look at Apple. And look at what AMD forced Intel to do: allow the 8086H to scale to the same heights as IA64 by 2007. Carly/Curly's philosophiesC were not flawed, but the timing of their annoucnement was. Had they F waited a couple of years until mid-end 2003, they would have then goneG to the 8086 right away. But in 2001, Intel was still really hoping IA64 B would work and really hopin it could keep the 8086 below mid-rangeF servers to give IA64 breathing space, so the 8086 wasn't an option for VMS in 2001.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:05:53 -0400 1 From: "taylor.taylor" <"taylor.taylor"@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: Leo DiCaprio is Circumcised? 9 Message-ID: <Q_npe.7580$_n2.621018@news20.bellglobal.com>    moon_dust_lady@yahoo.com wrote:   F > No sorry I should have said who the referent was.  John Leguizamo isF > married, not Dicaprio.  It was in an interview with Leguizamo who isG > Cuban and intact where he said that circumcised guys looked mutilated D > to him and that is when Leguizamo said Dicaprio told him he wasn'tH > circumcised.  Leguizamo then mentioned that he and his Jewish wife hadH > agreed not to circumcise their son.  Hope I have explained it all this > time.  >   H That's very cool of Leguizama and (Jewish) wife to leave it up to their H son to decide what to do w/ his own body. Family pressure from a Jewish G or Muslim family (especially older ones) can be a lot, but do what you  $ feel is right, not family influence.  H I hope Britney and Kevin are mateur enough to do the research. Probably  aren't.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 13:37:32 -0700 , From: "Mala Ipsa Nova" <Matt_Byrd@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! A Message-ID: <1118176652.560040.5670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   = "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message - news:d5a49$42a5da8d$927a2ce9$7035@FUSE.NET...  > 6 > "Dragan Cvetkovic" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message$ > news:lmhdgaduht.fsf@privacy.net...7 >> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> writes:  >>	 >> [snip]  >> >> >G >> > It's annoying when you killfile someone like JF Mezei but you keep  > seeingL >> > replies to his postings.  If everyone would ignore him, killfiles would > be >> > more effective. >>6 >> Can't you killfile by the topic (aka subject line)? > M > I tend to do that (except when I post to the topic, like now), but it still L > means that JF gets the attention he craves.  He somehow thrives on his net > kook reputation. > E I have killfiled him and Nomen Nescio, but the poster using Nomen and G other anon remailers keeps changing his ID as he bounces from dizum, to 8 thraser et al. He seems to be a bigger attention seeker.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:43:49 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> 9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! ? Message-ID: <9brpe.904$pa3.35@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Jeff Findley wrote:   K > It's annoying when you killfile someone like JF Mezei but you keep seeing L > replies to his postings.  If everyone would ignore him, killfiles would be > more effective.     H JF morphs under many sockpuppet names but you can always spot his posts:   - the telltale misspellings   C - the gratuitous swipes at the US, the "Bush regime", the "Cheney -  Rumsfield axis", etc.   E - pitiful weeping recollections of the salad days of Canadian Pacific  Airlines  K - corny adolescent "sex" jokes like the one he posted here...often mixed in C with gratuitous observations about masturbation, circumcision, etc.    --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:36:47 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> 9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! @ Message-ID: <z4rpe.884$VK4.692@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>   Nomen Nescio wrote:   0 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > H > >In the last week of May, my all mighty Microvax II, born in may 1987, > >turned 18 years old.  > > J > >Apart from having to change power supply twice, it hasn't had any otherG > >hardware problems. As a gift to my "son", I gave him  a picture of a 8 > >naked female Microvax (loaded onto its hard drive :-) > > J > >Perhaps I should find a DECdirect catalogue with a centerfold  and give > >it my now adult son :-) > >  > > E > >A tribute to quality products from Digital Equipment Corportation.  >  >  > Gawwwd . . . . . . . . . . >  > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/a3716cf0c9e12606 >     E Has JF I wonder taught his "son" to masturbate yet?  Has there been a 3 circumcision ceremony yet for the horny young buck?    --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:38:14 GMT S From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earthlink.net> 9 Subject: Re: My all mighty Microvax II has turned 18 !!!! @ Message-ID: <W5rpe.887$VK4.289@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>   Jeff Findley wrote:   6 > "Dragan Cvetkovic" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message$ > news:lmhdgaduht.fsf@privacy.net...8 > > "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> writes: > > 
 > > [snip] > >  > > > H > > > It's annoying when you killfile someone like JF Mezei but you keep > seeingG > > > replies to his postings.  If everyone would ignore him, killfiles  would  > be > > > more effective.  > > 7 > > Can't you killfile by the topic (aka subject line)?  > G > I tend to do that (except when I post to the topic, like now), but it  still L > means that JF gets the attention he craves.  He somehow thrives on his net > kook reputation.    ' That correctly sums up the situation...    --   Best Greg   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 11:24:21 -0700  From: jtpryan@gmail.com 0 Subject: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCC Message-ID: <1118168661.240820.295360@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   G I need to get an All-In-One folder and it's contents from a Vax to a PC E so I can archive it to CD.  I am not running PathWorks, just Kea 420. 4 Can anybody advise me as to the best way to do this?   Thanks,  Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:32:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC, Message-ID: <42A5E832.7A382673@teksavvy.com>   jtpryan@gmail.com wrote: > I > I need to get an All-In-One folder and it's contents from a Vax to a PC G > so I can archive it to CD.  I am not running PathWorks, just Kea 420. 6 > Can anybody advise me as to the best way to do this?  @ How much information do you need to preserve ? Just the documentF contents, or the full document attributes with long title etc etc ? Is it just one folder ?  H Should the contents be accessible form any platform, or do you expect to3 just restore it to the ALL-IN-1 machine if needed ?     F Teamlinks software on PCs can transfer contents of a file cabinet overD to a local file cabinet on the PC which would could then archive. ItB doesn't have ALL the attributes from All-In-1 but you get the mostF important ones. Teamlinks has converters on the PC for formats such as	 WPS PLUS.   D Teamlinks is able to run over a serial line without a network stack.8 There is s serial line broker that comes with teamlinks.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 11:39:44 -0700  From: jtpryan@gmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCB Message-ID: <1118169584.204728.27560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  F Thank you.  All I need to do is just get the documents in ASCII formatG onto a CD.  I don't have access to Teamlinks or PathWorks.  I believe I B have FTP.  Could I export the folder to something and then  FTP it across?    -Jim   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:55:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC, Message-ID: <42A5EDB0.228D13FE@teksavvy.com>   jtpryan@gmail.com wrote: > H > Thank you.  All I need to do is just get the documents in ASCII formatI > onto a CD.  I don't have access to Teamlinks or PathWorks.  I believe I D > have FTP.  Could I export the folder to something and then  FTP it	 > across?   F Yes you can. If all you want is text, then you can write a script thatF goes thorugh each document and the outputs to a text file the contents; of the file along with any attributes you want to preserve.   G You need to define whether you want everything in one file, or separate F fields for each document and what name you need to have for each file.D Is this running on an ODS5 disk drive on Alpha, or ODS2 drive ? What version of All-in-1 ?   G Note that more recent versions of A1 have an IMAP server and that could D let you use a mail client to simply move all the messages over. (butH probably wouldn't convert WPSPLUS etc to text). This could be done via aG script that converts all yoru documents to text form before transfering  to the PC via IMAP.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 18:47:57 -0700  From: jtpryan@gmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCC Message-ID: <1118195277.191527.225300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Man, you are quick!   A OK, and I'm sorry to be thick, but how exactly do I implement the 7 script?  My last forray into All-in-1 was back in 1989.    I am in the manager.   -Jim   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:36:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC, Message-ID: <42A64B69.1D8D77A6@teksavvy.com>   jtpryan@gmail.com wrote: > F > This is running on a microvax.  I have 5320 documents to get off.  IE > found if I do a dt sv and save it to a .txt file I get what I need. > > But I can't do this over 5000 times.  How would I script it?  * TEXT_FILE OPEN/WRITE logfile "doclist.txt"  , FOR CAB$ with .FOLDER EQS "My folder" DO - 	+  	MAKE_FILE_NAME #output, "my_dir:.TXT" \\-  	 .IF .TYPE EQS "MAIL" THEN - 4 		GET OA$FUNCTION = "MERGE MAILMEMO.BLP, " #output -# 	 ELSE COPY .filename , #output\\ - '  	 GET #RECORD = #output:20 + .title\\- ! 	 TEXT_FILE WRITE logfile #record    TEXT_FILE CLOSE logfile       E The copy function automatically converts contents tothe format of the G output file. But for mail messages, the mailmemo.blp formats the output A with a header that contains the to: from, date etc. And the above H creates a "doclist.txt" file that contains one line per document copied,E with file name in first 20 characters and the original document title  after that.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 19:10:08 -0700  From: jtpryan@gmail.com 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCB Message-ID: <1118196608.947249.14270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Man, you are quick!   A OK, and I'm sorry to be thick, but how exactly do I implement the 7 script?  My last forray into All-in-1 was back in 1989.    I am in the manager.   -Jim   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 19:13:13 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PCC Message-ID: <1118196793.176894.112220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    jtpryan@gmail.com wrote:     > Man, you are quick!     2 AFAIK, JF is comp.os.vms's resident ALLIN1 expert.  D As for your document transfer task, I actually did something similarG once. I moved Word Perfect documents from ALLIN1 to PC's running Win95. - I did it all in DCL and preserved the titles.   G Anyway, I refer you to JF, as I'm sure he can help you with this better  than I.     C > OK, and I'm sorry to be thick, but how exactly do I implement the 9 > script?  My last forray into All-in-1 was back in 1989.  >  > I am in the manager.    ( How's that? You are in the manager? Huh?     > -Jim   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:15:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Need to export All-In-One files to a PC, Message-ID: <42A65486.ED47460F@teksavvy.com>   jtpryan@gmail.com wrote:C > OK, and I'm sorry to be thick, but how exactly do I implement the 9 > script?  My last forray into All-in-1 was back in 1989.     * Create a text file with the script inside.  3 And once in the allin1 menu for that user, you can:   ( <do mydir:myscript.scp   inside the menu  F or [GOLD] 7 (on keypad) which gives you a "Enter Command" prompt where you can type   do mydir:myscript.scp     6 The "Enter Command:" behaves as DCL for line editing. F But inside the menus, it behaves as FMS (GOLD PF3 to enter into insert mode for instance)  F If you are using the alline manager account, you can enter the <newdirH username  command which then gets you into that user's file cabinet. And you can then run the script.  B Just make sure you specify the directory for any target and sourceG becauyse A1 has its own default directories and the znewdir command may J or may not put this into your account or the target account's directories.  G Also, before using <newdir zzxzzz  , you should issue a <dump_cache  to A make sure that any cached data from your file cabinet is flushed.   H For many examples you can  DIR: OA$DO:*.SCP   for scripts,  OA$BLP:*.BLP- for template documents for the MERGE command.   E And within a form, you can press <CTRL-N> to get the named data which F contain the allin1 commands associated with the menu options. (eg: youE can see what happens when you type DT in the document transfer menu).   H note that menu options are in mmenomics to make it language independant,> so you may not see "DT" in the name, but rather something like0 OA$MENU_DT which is a variable set at link time.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 17:55:44 -0700   From: didier.morandi@freesurf.fr3 Subject: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2 C Message-ID: <1118192144.615821.307690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   6 Well, here: http://didier.morandi.free.fr/Nashua_2005/   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:27:42 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS BootCamp (anonymous) pixes - Day 2 + Message-ID: <42A6579E.FC51B5AD@comcast.net>   ! didier.morandi@freesurf.fr wrote:  > 8 > Well, here: http://didier.morandi.free.fr/Nashua_2005/ >  > D.  & Thanx, Didier, or should I say, Merci.  G MAN! We *GOTTA* get some new blood. Good to see some younger faces, but  still alot of gray hair!  B Wonder if I could convince my local DeVry campus to let me offer aF no-charge elective: Introduction to OpenVMS? By letting their studentsD know that they'd be more marketable in healtrhcare and other arenas,F they'd be doing themselves a big favor. Then, I could recruit them for@ local classes on SysAdmin'ing, DCL Programming, the whole works.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:d" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/a   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:29:04 +1000# From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate>V# Subject: Re: Problem installing DFUg- Message-ID: <42a61fb0@duster.adelaide.on.net>t  1 FTP as part of the VMS TCP stack (unpatched) ....a   TCPIP> sho ver  7   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1g7   on a AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz running OpenVMS V7.2-2r   TCPIP>  K It is on a local 100mbit FD segment and, for some reason, file transfer to mB it starts really fast and then quickly drops to about 4K/sec.  No L collisions, no disk fragmentation, plenty of disk space, MON SYS shows that > nothing is happening, no paging, no swapping, I/O is low......    > "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message . news:d843nv$2l7$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... > Gremlin wrote: >> Thanks Dave >>H >> 2.7a works fine, now that I know fragmentation isn't a problem I can @ >> search elsewhere for a reason that FTP traffic crawls at the  >> moment......sighp >s
 > which ftp ?r > older ucx versions were slow.n) > hgftp (formerly mgftp) was much faster.P" > I think recent tcpip are ok too.* > don't know about commercial 3rd parties. >V > Chris    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:46:02 -0700/ From: "David Coolbear" <david@thecoolbears.org>-# Subject: Problems configuring TCPIPy0 Message-ID: <R5GdnVbsAdth9DvfRVn-rg@comcast.com>  L OK, It's been about 15 years since I last touched a VMS machine (VAX 11/730)F but I just acquired a very nice VAXStation 4000/60. I got the hobbyistI license and a CD and installing VMS was a piece o cake - until it came tot< TCP/IP. I installed the license and did the basic config via   @sys$manager:tcpip:config-  F and it picked SE0 for the interface. When I start TCP/IP it complains:   error defining interface: SE0Z failure on internet ACP QIOd bad attribute control list invalid interface name  0 I have no idea what this means. Any suggestions?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:54:26 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Problems configuring TCPIPs, Message-ID: <42A679D2.1A801CB6@teksavvy.com>   David Coolbear wrote: H > and it picked SE0 for the interface. When I start TCP/IP it complains: >  > error defining interface: SE0g > failure on internet ACP QIOe > bad attribute control list > invalid interface name    
 If you do:  F $TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL       (this is the active configuration and$ gives more info than the one below).	  and thenpF $TCPIP SHOW CONF INTERFACE/FULL  (this is the permanent configuration)  F what does it say ? Does it show an SEO interface with your IP address,& mask, and ethernet interface address ?  A If you go back to @TCPIP$CONFIG to the core stuff to redefine then) interface, it may help solve the problem.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:28:44 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonialu, Message-ID: <OYydnawsluDyejjfRVn-pA@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:G > this isn't about advertising but about keeping promises that we wouldeE > be seeing these 1,000 and 2,000 1p itanium servers for us workgrouptB > companies that do not need or can afford 40 superdomes when what= > we really need is what was promised when alpha was dropped, @ > inexpensive small servers or workstations for small and medium > businesses ...    < By Jove, I do believe he's speaking of that 'roadmap' again.  D Promises at HP are somewhat like Cook's Variable Constant (not to beL confused with the latest constant, the 'Gorham', one of which equals 411,0005 under all circumstances, temperatures and pressures).p  I Cook's Variable Constant (CVC) is the factor you apply to to the observed K results to make them agree with the theoretical results, or vague corporater< promises. It's also known by it's colloquial name, bullshit.   --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:37:47 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>e7 Subject: RE: Security Company - New OpenVMS TestimonialaR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB650805@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]=20y > Sent: June 7, 2005 1:09 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como9 > Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonialo >=20G > this isn't about advertising but about keeping promises that we would E > be seeing these 1,000 and 2,000 1p itanium servers for us workgroup2B > companies that do not need or can afford 40 superdomes when what= > we really need is what was promised when alpha was dropped,-@ > inexpensive small servers or workstations for small and medium > businesses ... >=20   Bob -=20  C Not sure if you are aware of the following links, but just in case:vD http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html (note Ann L'sE remarks on OpenVMS based rx1620, rx2620, rx4640 small to med servers)tG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/announce/cust_statements82.html (VMS 8.2 Custo statements on Alpha/Integrity)  D And small Itanium servers for dev purposes (OpenVMS, HP-UX, Windows,7 Linux) can be obtained for USD$2K via the DSPP program.eH http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6032,00. html   Regardsi  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660k Fax: 613-591-44770 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:03:49 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonialn0 Message-ID: <11abva15mnrp68a@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:G > this isn't about advertising but about keeping promises that we wouldhE > be seeing these 1,000 and 2,000 1p itanium servers for us workgroupnB > companies that do not need or can afford 40 superdomes when what= > we really need is what was promised when alpha was dropped,a@ > inexpensive small servers or workstations for small and medium > businesses ... >   D When you believe someone who is a proven lier, best you prepare for  disappointment.m   -- y4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road5 Vanderbilt, PA  15486.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:08:25 -0400e' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>a7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonial 0 Message-ID: <11abviorbkphoc5@corp.supernews.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >  >>-----Original Message-----9 >>From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]   >>Sent: June 7, 2005 1:09 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come9 >>Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonialh >>G >>this isn't about advertising but about keeping promises that we would E >>be seeing these 1,000 and 2,000 1p itanium servers for us workgroupyB >>companies that do not need or can afford 40 superdomes when what= >>we really need is what was promised when alpha was dropped,s@ >>inexpensive small servers or workstations for small and medium >>businesses ... >> >  >  > Bob -  > E > Not sure if you are aware of the following links, but just in case:bF > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html (note Ann L'sG > remarks on OpenVMS based rx1620, rx2620, rx4640 small to med servers) I > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/announce/cust_statements82.html (VMS 8.2 Custe  > statements on Alpha/Integrity) > F > And small Itanium servers for dev purposes (OpenVMS, HP-UX, Windows,9 > Linux) can be obtained for USD$2K via the DSPP program.sJ > http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6032,00. > html  I But Kerry, boob was promised a $1000 VMS system by none other than curly p himself.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:16:20 GMTi! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>.7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimoniale8 Message-ID: <uu1ca1hqh0o56kmuesotj9onb112h5ts1h@4ax.com>  8 On 6 Jun 2005 09:50:19 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  1 >you better tell intel to continue to offer smalla, >1p servers i.e. DS10/DS10L so we and others. >can offer solutions to small and medium sized. >businesses ... not everyone running vms needs >and can afford a superdome!  F or indeed needs to buy one. The rx16xx is a great little 1U server theJ motherboard has two sockets but can be configured with just one processor.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azuri   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:51:32 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimonialt, Message-ID: <4sKdnQjXoZzVwDvfRVn-qQ@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > Main, Kerry wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message-----: >>> From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com] >>> Sent: June 7, 2005 1:09 PM >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com(; >>> Subject: Re: Security Company - New OpenVMS Testimoniale >>>oC >>> this isn't about advertising but about keeping promises that wesC >>> would be seeing these 1,000 and 2,000 1p itanium servers for uscD >>> workgroup companies that do not need or can afford 40 superdomes
 >>> when what ? >>> we really need is what was promised when alpha was dropped,sB >>> inexpensive small servers or workstations for small and medium >>> businesses ... >>>o >> >> >> Bob - >>F >> Not sure if you are aware of the following links, but just in case:G >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html (note Ann L's H >> remarks on OpenVMS based rx1620, rx2620, rx4640 small to med servers)E >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/announce/cust_statements82.html (VMS 8.2m& >> Cust statements on Alpha/Integrity) >>G >> And small Itanium servers for dev purposes (OpenVMS, HP-UX, Windows,H: >> Linux) can be obtained for USD$2K via the DSPP program.K >> http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6032,00.u >> html@ >lD > But Kerry, boob was promised a $1000 VMS system by none other than > curly himself.    J Then Bob should call him at Worldcom (while he still has an extension, punC intened, there) and ask for his $1000 Itanic. And we're talking thelL off-the-street price for any Tom, Dick, or Bob, not a 'special DSPP' price*.   *Regularly sold at $6500 or so  L Bob should also prepare himself for howls of derisive laughter from Curly as: Curly quotes P.T. Barnum, "There's one born every minute".       --F OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.,   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:38:47 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)B Subject: TCPIP SET ROUTE/GATEWAY=<alias entry in local hosts file>$ Message-ID: <d84pjn$5n7$1@online.de>  C           DIGITAL strongly recommends that you do not specify aliasdC           names with the destination parameter or the /GATEWAY=hostO           qualifier.  <           Compaq strongly recommends that you do not specify@           alias names with the destination parameter or with the"           /GATEWAY=host qualifier.   Why?  E Does this apply if the alias for the /GATEWAY=host if it is an alias o name in the local hosts file?E  E What am I trying to do?  I want to make my systems more flexible, so uH that I can switch to a different default gateway (which might also be a I nameserver) with as little trouble as possible.  However, the address of wG the gateway will change (it is more work to change them than to change  G stuff in TCPIP on VMS).  Thus, I will have to set the default route by dB hand, since it is an address, and also the configuration (on-disk H information) for the nameserver, since it is also an address.  However, F if I use an alias name for the gateway, then I could just change this D with SET HOST and keep the alias name for the configuration for the H permanent route and for the nameserver, since these two things refer to D names rather than addresses.  However, I'm worried about the caveat  above.  ? If I specify an alias instead of the main name for the /GATEWAYlH qualifier with a SET ROUTE command, what harm can this possibly do?  ForC SET ROUTE, it gets translated into an address on the fly.  With SETtF ROUTE/PERMANENT, the alias name will get stored on disk.  Presumably, C the local hosts file is used to translate this to an address.  Why ,0 should Digital/Compaq/HP recommend against this?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2005 19:15:07 -0700  From: rcbryan@hotmail.comc6 Subject: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?C Message-ID: <1118196907.029701.215990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>o  6 When I log into my company's production computers, theF Control-Y/Control-C and break key do not seem to work.  They print theG reverse video "Interrupt" message but it just keeps on doing what it isyG doing.  The terminal settings are the same as on another system where I-E can break out and I did a show dev/full and everything looks the same"@ all around.  Is there some kind of silent (to me) way the systemF administrators may have set things up to prevent anybody from breakingE out?  As an additional note, I wrote a program to use sys$forcex froms4 another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas?   Thank you in advance,i	 /RC Bryan   5 To demonstrate this, I prepared the following script:6 $ type loop.comI $ set on $ on CONTROL_Y then exit $ i=10 $ loop_back: $  write sys$output  i $  i=i-1 $  wait 00:00:01" $  if i .gt. 0 then goto loop_back  : When this is run (each interrupt is a Control-Y or break): $ @loop5 10 95
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  Interrupt   7 
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  Interrupt   6k 5  ... you get the idea    The terminal set up is:d   $ sho term/fullh@ Terminal: _TNA982:    Device_Type: VT100         Owner: _TNA982:?                                               Username: xxxxxxxkB Remote Port Info: Host: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxx.com Port:  B    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   64   Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape4?    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TaboG    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No EightbiteC    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup B    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupE    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedeG    No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No Fallback-F    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruF    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer Port>    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No
 Block_modeG    Advanced_video     No Edit_mode       DEC_CRT            No DEC_CRT2 >    No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No
 Ansi_Color    VMS Style Input   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:45:51 +0000d7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>r: Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?( Message-ID: <42A65BDF.90203@bigpond.com>  ) rcbryan@hotmail.com mentioned in passing:t8 > When I log into my company's production computers, theH > Control-Y/Control-C and break key do not seem to work.  They print theI > reverse video "Interrupt" message but it just keeps on doing what it istI > doing.  The terminal settings are the same as on another system where I G > can break out and I did a show dev/full and everything looks the same B > all around.  Is there some kind of silent (to me) way the systemH > administrators may have set things up to prevent anybody from breakingG > out?  As an additional note, I wrote a program to use sys$forcex fromh6 > another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas? >  > Thank you in advance,t > /RC Bryans > 
 	[...snip...]t  , What do you get when you do the following...  + $ write sys$output f$environment("control")s T,Yi   Regards, Dave -- gB David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:55:41 -0700a From: Z <Z@no.spam> : Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?* Message-ID: <H6tpe.8861$mZ2.1397@fe07.lga>   rcbryan@hotmail.com wrote:6 > another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas?   $ SET CONTROL=Yt   Better?u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:20:30 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?, Message-ID: <42A663D5.2481D53A@teksavvy.com>  8 > > another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas? >  > $ SET CONTROL=Y     C I have had that happen with decnet SET HOST on a DECTERM as well. IuD think it has to do with the fact that the data may have already beenH transfered from the source host to the display host, so the CTRL-Y, evenD if sent immediatly, is simply interrupting the $ sign well after theH command had finished executing on the source machine. This is especiallyF true if you "hold screen" for a while. (gives time for the application: to complete the sending of data to your decterm's buffer).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:28:35 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam>8: Subject: Re: Why can't I break out of this telnet session?* Message-ID: <Mtupe.7016$rt3.6368@fe03.lga>   JF Mezei wrote:w7 >>>another screen and that is ignored, too.  Any ideas?i >>$ SET CONTROL=Y   E > I have had that happen with decnet SET HOST on a DECTERM as well. IlF > think it has to do with the fact that the data may have already beenJ > transfered from the source host to the display host, so the CTRL-Y, evenF > if sent immediatly, is simply interrupting the $ sign well after theJ > command had finished executing on the source machine. This is especiallyH > true if you "hold screen" for a while. (gives time for the application< > to complete the sending of data to your decterm's buffer).  H Then why would the [ Interrupt ] text arrive intermixed within the data  instead of at the end?  A Isn't that test sent by the source host to the display host, too?-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.317 ************************